Is OLED worth it for video games?

Anon Babble is the only place that refers to FALD monitors as "miniled."

Yeah I just got a 27" 1440p OLED and it's amazing. I feel like I'm seeing games clearly for the first time. I was a bit worried because I heard text looked bad but I literally can't tell a difference from my old LCD.

? Q27g3xmn is a miniled youre thinking about microled.

I'm talking about Full Array Local Dimming.

No ones talking about fald. Fald displays were like 8 zones.

why not get mini-led, similar color depth with no burn-in risk

Fald had one large led per zone.
Minileds have 4 per zone and can be controlled independently a 1152 zone miniled have 4608 leds

Cant do hdr in dark scenes without blooming and black crush and dimmer lights than sdr on anything smaller than 2% apl, or dark games in general with ld enabled.

What's the best 32" HDR monitor I can get that ISN'T oled.

Doesnt exist yet. Maybe that one tcl

They're up about 500-1000 now, actually.

You...you idiot.
ANY display that has dimming zones, whether 8 or 8000, is referred to as "full array local dimming"

My GP27U doesn't have this problem, though.

OLED is the proper way to play any games and watch any movies.

I've been using an LG 32GS95UE with 4381 hours of usage now, always at 100% brightness and I have no burn in. I don't run the screen cleaner as often as I'm supposed to, it just runs once per day when I put my PC to sleep. I write a lot of code and have my browser open for most of the time too, so I use it more for "productivity" than actual gaming or watching movies. The true blacks are really nice.
Worst thing is probably the matte coating. Not a huge issue, but it's the only issue I do notice when using this display as it adds an "oil painting" look to some things.
If this lasts two more years before permanent burn in, then I'm happy. Glad I spent the money on a display instead of a new GPU.

You never heard people complain about the OLED PS Vita screen. But suddenly now that OLED monitors come out people can't stop talking about burn-in. Wouldn't OLED burn in affect like 99% of Vitas by now considering it's an even older screen and the system is 12 years old?

1.) Because nobody bought the Vita.
2.) Because the Vita's been dead for a decade.

yes, buy now or forever be priced out.

OLED burn in is the biggest meme
The people that complain about it are the same people that fall asleep at their desks with all of their shit completely on likely a static image of a finished live stream
I’ve owned OLED products, handhelds, monitors, and TVs, have used all of them extensively for games, movies, web browsing, work
Literally never ran into the burn in issue

are you ok with paying a few hundred dollars to rent a display for 5ish years(media only)? if you are true blacks and strong contrast are a drastic improvement over ips as significant if not so more so than upping the to another tier of resolution.

Trannyposting this late in the night?

You never heard people complain about the OLED PS Vita screen

They most certainly did.

insert someone posting the same mura effect images ad infinitum

Ghosting is less of an issue for OLED monitors, contrast ratios are generally better, and blacks are much deeper.
Despite what people will say color accuracy is worse than a nice IPS screen and OLED subpixel degradation can occur in as little as 6 months making accurate color reproduction harder if not impossible.
Both pixel degradation and burn in can be reduced by not running it at full brightness but the color accuracy will always decrease markedly over time even if you luck out on avoiding burn in.

people who don't have OLED say it's not worth it

people who have OLED say there's no going back

I'm sure it's just a coincidence though.

burn in only happens when you display the same image a lot and in the case of PC gaming the taskbar is a huge problem. The browser tabs is another... If you got an OLED and only use for gaming and watching movies you'll probably never even experience burn-in. And based on tests if you are able to avoid having the same static elements on screen all the time OLED actually have longer lifespan than LEDs.

"my blabla doesnt have this blabla problem" care to be specific? MINI LEDS cannot do bright lights smaller than a 2% APL window (divide your screen into 2% sized boxes to figure out how big that is) and boot up FF7 Rebirth or Tomb Raider and go to the scene with fireworks and fireflies for horrendous blooming.

Despite what people will say color accuracy is worse than a nice IPS screen and OLED subpixel degradation can occur in as little as 6 months making accurate color reproduction harder if not impossible.

Why dont you cite your sources, inbefore he links something based off something from 2015.

Buy monitor

Can't run it at max brightness for fear of burn in

OLEDkeks, everyone.

Why do you need more than 120-160 cd/m2?

1) No one owned a Vita
2) Most people stopped playing their Vitas before burn in ever became a problem
2a) Even then a quick google search will show you people did complain about burn in
3) OLED monitors are worse because Windows taskbars are static and will accelerate the burn-in compared to a mobile gaming device that doesn't display the same image (much)

im not even sure that people who care this much about visual fidelity even play videogames. they just boot up the title screen and take a photograph

he thinks there are good games thesedays

oh this guy living in some delusion

Ghosting is less of an issue

Ghosting is not "less" of an issue. Ghosting is not and has never even existed on Oled. If you see any ghosting on an Oled then you can be sure that is the game and not the display. TAA and other post process effects like that have inherent ghosting.

What Oleds suffers from is persistent blur but it becomes less and less of an issue the higher the frame-rate is. Even then at 60fps the persistent blur is only a slight blur. Way less than any other display that isn't a CRT.

at 27" you probably can't. i got the highest end OLED gaming monitor in existence and returned it because text looked like red-and-blue 3D glasses bullshit.

you bought a woled they have more of an issue than the qdoleds

There's blooming sometimes, but you're going to have this issue regardless because of the technology.

get OLED for HDR

Play HDR games

monitor becomes dim if I'm in a bright location

MiniLED adds tons of input lag when using HDR

No. It's defective tech that is being pushed because it requires more frequent replacements. Burn in will happen withing a few months browsing. Anything that is on screen all the time will leave a ghost of it. It's not worth it. LCD isn't either. Chase down a plasma screen.

Rent free.

Only the most Gollum-like creatures would use a Vita to farm (You)'s on 4channel for 15 hours a day and burn their task bar in.

I used my vita to browse. It was ok at it. Only 4 tabs but good enough. It burnt in the bars for navigation after a few months. The colour was worth it. Better things to do than complain. Ok for phones etc. Getting a TV with LED is just stupid though. TVs need to last the rest of your life.

TVs need to last the rest of your life.

boomers get them for 200 bucks off amazon and they end up as e-waste a few years later when the netflix button stops working and they toss it on the curb

browser tabs is another..

Just run your browser full screen and user CTRL + TAB to cycle tabs.

becomes dim

no it doesnt
minimum brightness in a full scene on a modern OLED monitor regardless of WOLED or QDOLED is 250 nits which is more than enough. And 120cd/m2 is still the defacto standard for calibration and 100cd/m2 is still the defacto standard for SDR movies.

Regardless HDR isnt about brightness only zoomies think that

Don't forget the undefeated ABL and VRR flickering that ruins HDR gaming

Give it to me straight how long till QDEL displays and are they gonna be better than OLED

OLED is only good for people who almost exclusively watch TV shows and movies made in the last 10 years for 10 hours or less a week in a completely pitch black room.

ABL

non issue

VRR Flicker

happens on Minileds too
A decade atleast

Rofl holy cope
It's the brightness curve of OLEDs that's the issue, you have highlights going over 1000 nits then suddenly if you are in a bright area it noticeably plummet to the figures you quoted, its completely jarring and unacceptable.

Now I know you're a delusional cultist
What dirt does big OLED have on you?

Why do you need the entire scene to be 1000 nits all the time? Do you play with the sun directly on your monitor?

You cannot have expanded color range without higher brightness, they go hand in hand.

I need 1000 nits at all times, I need the grass and the water and the sky and the trees to be 1000 nits at all times

I need those neon signs to be 1000+ nits in the dark scenes while my gunfire flicekrs in my face so hard I get fatigue

Oh wait you guys dont actually use your minileds for anything dark lmao nvm.

Then explain why the minileds and qdoleds are like the same on rtings in color volume for sdr and hdr?

No, but it needs to not be so fucking noticeably aggressive you nonce
Actually, yes I do need it that bright all the time. I want it to feel exactly like im looking out a window on a sunny day.

So use true black mode? 1000 doesnt make much of a difference, did you know that those bright highlights in movies are reserved typically for nothing more than the Sun, Flashlights and sudden bright flashes and micro speculars that minileds cant even do anyway?

So you sit in the dark and you need the monitor to look bright as fuck? Damn I wouldnt want to be you.

I've never seen someone coping so hars to defend OLED's honour, seriously what's your deal? You actually have a dog in this race?

name a good miniled monitor without smearing and that can do 800+ nits on something smaller than an inch.

The LG C5 42" is about to be the best oled monitor for PC gaming now that they fixed gaming mode. Glossy finish is still the best

fixed gaming mode

All you have to do is set it to 4.4.4

Game mode is useless, just enable vrr or gsync and thats it, use Cinema or Filmmaker.

Have you considered buying curtains for your windows like a normal person and not setting your screen up so it gets blasted by the sun?

I have them all. OLED is much better, and especially if you play a game with a lot of dark scenes. But an LCD is still perfectly usable, thoughbeit does look much shitter in dark scenes. Take something like Deep Rock Galactic or Outer Wilds, they both looks much, much, much better on OLED without IPS glow fucking your shit up.
But I baby my OLED, I have no wallpaper (on this screen only), no taskbar, no desktop icons. So it's just plain black if I'm not using it. This is to help avoid and potential burn-in, and it's not really a problem for me. But some of you guys might not like this. Is it even necessary? I dunno.

Why not just set your timeout to as low as possible

No wallpaper is pointless.

Just find dozens if not hundreds of nice wallpapers and have them rotate every 10-60s.

Using a black background and then browsing or whatever in a small window will just lead to uneven wear.

Move your icons to your second monitor and just set the Monitor to sleep after 5 or 10 min.

It's annoying when I quit a game and I'm staring at a pitch black screen thinking the game is still shutting down but it's actually just my desktop.

Maybe I will do these things.

Yeah this happens often.

Let's see.
The motion blur alone is a deal breaker for gaming but there's also

burn in

ABL cannot be disabled

VRR Flicker

Absurd price

BFI drive the cost up 200%, doesn't actually fix motion blur, causes ghosting, severely dims the image, and causes image retention

the blue LED's degrade faster than the red and green ones, resulting in incorrect colours after a while

extremely short life span overall.

Decent for TV/Film but they are absolutely shit for gaming.

What i want to know is, when plasma's came out and had perfect blacks, perfect contrast and literally no motion blur, why did you idiots all choose LCD?

250nits

more than enough for HDR

Even a VA monitor is better for HDR at that point

You couldn't make plasma displays that were smaller than like 55".

Why do you need everything in the scene to be 1000 nits again? You never explained.

The point of HDR Brightness is to make HIGHLIGHTS stand out.

The entire point of HDR is to have bright shit. If I'm looking at the sun I want it to be BRIGHT

motionblur

oleds have no motionblur

But on a miniled display the sky is just as bright as the sun, defeating the purpose of using HDR in the first place. Just play in SDR then.

And name a game where that even matters.

Death Stranding

Dont see a sun in this pic?

The clouds have super bright veins and dim parts like IRL

but i can see that in sdr?
and youre saying you spend more time looking at clouds than the actual game?

No you can't, they're basically the same brightness in SDR. In HDR the slightly brighter parts of the clouds glow like embers glow brighter than the fire itself.

Burn-in doesn't happen with modern OELDS

turns on true black

oh wow it looks so amazing, so much white and dim white wow so pretty im amazed im going to buy a miniled now wow i fell off my chair

now can you list one of these amazing miniled monitors that dont have smearing?

true black

Nope, I'm using HDR 1000. Fuck trueblack

Too bad you'll never enjoy dark scenes without either blooming or black crush since the monitor prioritize blooming suppression while still blooms

GP27u. 587 lighting zones. 1400nit peak brightness.
RedMagic is supposed to be releasing a 5,000 dimming zone monitor, but it may have gotten disappeared by the Chink government for accidentally displaying a Winnie the Pooh image because the fuckers wont release it and their 1000 zone monitor is perpetually sold out.
There's also Innocn's monitor. Same panel and 1000 zones.

Better than enjoying it never.
I want a miniLED monitor next that way I can have HDR 1000 all the time

27

Why didn't they make a 32"

GP27U

IPS with 16.6ms response times

Brightness massively plummets below 3% APL

redmagic

chink monitor

theyre never good

You people care too much how other people spend their money

I don't know, but 4k on 27" is insane for picture quality. I don't care about desktop real estate space like some fags here because I don't use my computer for work.

IPS

Tranny

HDR is genuinely too complicated of a subject for Anon Babble to understand. This place still thinks porn needs to be everywhere and that Goku is a video game character.

OLED

why is everything gray on the oled

I heard about text fringing and I noped the fuck out and bought mini-led instead.

According to RTINGS:
Recommended Overdrive Setting
Normal
Rise / Fall Time
3.4 ms
Total Response Time
6.2 ms
Overshoot Error
1.3%
Worst 3 Rise / Fall Time
4.2 ms
Worst 3 Total Response Time
8.7 ms
Worst 3 Overshoot Error
9.4%

The

16.6ms response times

Were the worst possible times at 60hz

Rise / Fall Time
3.8 ms
Total Response Time
9.4 ms
Overshoot Error
0.0%
Worst 3 Rise / Fall Time
5.5 ms
Worst 3 Total Response Time
16.6 ms
Worst 3 Overshoot Error
0.0%

brightness massively plummets below 3% APL

Explain.

he needs to read text smaller than 16px

and its only an issue on low ppi WOLEDs
no issue on QDOLEDs

Check the HDR measurements, 2% APL is 800 nits and it plummets below that because it cant display small things (about 1 inch or less in size) brightly

According to RTINGS:
Real Scene
1,127 cd/m2
Peak 2% Window
846 cd/m2
Peak 10% Window
1,550 cd/m2
Peak 25% Window
1,359 cd/m2
Peak 50% Window
1,274 cd/m2
Peak 100% Window
1,532 cd/m2
Sustained 2% Window
834 cd/m2
Sustained 10% Window
1,497 cd/m2
Sustained 25% Window
1,344 cd/m2
Sustained 50% Window
1,267 cd/m2
Sustained 100% Window
1,368 cd/m2

I have a similar question to OP.

I'm thinking of getting the Asus ROG Swift OLED PG32UCDM. Are there better high end gaming monitors than this? or is this sort of the best on offer?

You don't need more than a 42 inches LG C2.

Why are you copy pasting it, I just told you what it is.

2% is about an inch or bigger in size depending on the displays size.

834 nits at 2% is poor and means 1% will be half that and smaller things like fireflies, sparks, fireworks, distant gunshots, distant lights and what not will be really dim.

rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/local-dimming
An explanation of the three types of LED backlighting used by modern LCD displays.

Why a consumer tv over it? is the panel quality better or something?

To refute your claims about an inability for the display to do more than 800nits at 2% APL.
Which you initially said was a minimum standard, but now is horrid.

Is this what moving the goal posts looks like?

Are you stupid or what?

IM TALKING ABOUT LESS THAN 2%

AND YES 800 NITS AT 2% MEANS CANDLES AND WHAT NOT WILL LOOK DIM COMPARED ANYTHING LARGER HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU?

AND ANYTHING SMALLER THAN 2% WILL LOOK HALF AS BRIGHT BECAUSE THE DROP OFF IN BRIGHTNESS ON MINILEDS IS CRAZY.

This guy thinks 2% apl at 800 is good but doesnt realize how big 2% actually is on his display. Divide your dispaly into 50 blocks of equal size and youll know how big it is.

The text below mentions nothing about a "plummeting to under 800" like you claimed, either.

The text is as follows.

The HDR peak brightness is fantastic. It gets bright enough to make highlights pop and gets very bright even with larger highlights, which is great. The EOTF also follows the target well until there's a sharp roll-off at the peak brightness, causing a loss of fine details in bright scenes.

These results are with firmware 1.2 (version A), which was updated on Feb. 17, 2023. This update improves the peak brightness, especially with large-sized highlights, as the brightness before this update was around 1,000 cd/m2 with most scenes.

I got pic related 2 years ago and its still holding perfectly well with no burn in on max brightness, all you need is a screensaver enabled after like 2 minutes and autohide task bar, that'll be more than enough at least for LG panels

You dont even understand what APL is

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Imagine not knowing what APL is

Is this your post?
I see

2% APL

Not

less than 2% APL

Care to respond?

Yeah read the part where it says "and it plummets below that" implying less than 2% apl.

You are trolling right now and Im not going to bother past this holy shit you're retarded.

I see no evidence of this on the RTINGS review, I only see it from you.

Imagine being this retarded you think that dropping nearly 50% of your brightness from 10% apl to 2% apl is a good thing and that less than 2% apl will be the same as 2% lmao it drops like a rock because miniled zones have to cover thousands of pixels.

This guy think the brightness plateus at 2% and doesnt go lower lmao.

Why dont you rent a spectrophotometer and look at some small white objects on your monitor and measure their brightness it'll be like 400 nits at 1%

I still have my Samsung plasma from 2010. Thing was a beast but years and years of gaming plus a thousand hours of sfiv/usfiv and had some burn in. Pretty minor tho and I still have it in my bedroom. It still looks gorgeous in torch mode ( Dead space 2 was phenomenal on it )

You'd think we'd have gone past 4k monitors by now. Yet it's still hard to max games out on top of the line rigs. Ever since ray tracing came along and also from UE4 to UE5 everything still runs less desirably.

4k monitors are still pricey, and the more irritating thing to me is that outside of video games 4k content is still very much a rarity.

I have my task bar set to disappear and a black background

I made no such claims about this being a "good thing."

RTINGS linker here arguing with the OLED spaz.
I took the liberty of looking at their recommendation for best OLED: rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/mpg-321urx-qd-oled

Looks good. Shame about the burn-in, though.

Anon Babble I'm currently backed into a tight corner. Do i buy this top of the line OLED gaming monitor or a Switch 2? it's only a hard choice because i know OLEDs just look exceptionally better and are very pleasing to look at. I can only buy one. If you were in such a situation what would you pick?

If you buy an OLED, you are gay.
If you buy a Switch 2 for it's $80 upscaled ports of Switch 1 games, you're super gay.

bought mini-led instead.

I went for MINI-LED back in 2021 when that was still the better experience. But now that it's of a comparable quality with QD-OLEDs i want to upgrade. The better part about mini-led is you don't have to worry about burn in. Negative side is that haloing has never really been solved for monitors. Consumer TVs seem to be better for that one i think.

while qd-oled is promising, I think a cheaper LG would be better because LG seems to handle burn in the best compared to it's competitors. BUT ALSO - best buy has a 4 year geek squad warranty that covers burn in

also, if you have a student email you can use the lg partner store for a discount, I got a 48 inch oled monitor (they've stopped making monitors that size and just added the gaming settings when you turn on gaming mode on their TVs now though) in 2023 for $580 plus tax, and recently got a 65 inch c4 oled with soundbar for $1180 shipped (with $250 in rewards)

also if you dont live in the US all of this is pointless, kek

You never heard people complain about the OLED PS Vita screen.

my vita doesn't have a screen

250 nits which is more than enough

you need 800 nits minimum to display the full dynamic range of HDR. it's literally in the spec.

anything below that is fake HDR.

OLED burn in is the biggest meme

Maybe your use case is different than most people? have you sat down and played an MMO which leaves a long running static hud whilst you could potentially play for more than 7 hours or something? use case is everything. It's the difference between a healthy screen and permanent burn in. If you're playing casual console games then you're going to disregard the cases which have high risk involved.

nta but around 600 is the cutoff for when it starts to look pretty good, and 800+ is when it looks really good
250 nits is like fucking nothing though lmao

If you use it as a TV where you play vidya for a few hours at a time then yeah.
Not so much when you use it as an office monitor that get burn in within a year or so

Indian people still arguing to never buy anything other than a $70 1080p VA monitor always makes me laugh

People here live under a rock if they think oled monitor burn in is still this bad when the technology is 4 revisions in now.

Vita is a magical device so it doesn't count.

Do they start getting burn in after 7-8 years instead of 3? Because spending $800 or so every few years for a new monitor sounds gay to me

People said the same thing about plasma. I had a pioneer plasma for 15 years that never got burn in. Fell asleep several times with a still image and never had a problem.

not that anon, but if you get it at best buy and pay for the added warranty, it covers burn in

get oled, enjoy it for 3.9 years before burn in, and when it gets noticeable push it over the finish line with a cnn marathon and get a new OLED for the cost of the warranty

and when they don't have any more models of a 4 year old oled in stock anymore, they either give you a giftcard for the price of the monitor, or an upgrade to an equivalent model

I dunno if my country has that kind of warranty. Worst case is probably them saying it's user error or something

250 nits is more than the 120 i use for sdr you monkey brain

oh, well shit. in europe some of the brands have a 5 year warranty on burn in, but thats for high end TVs, not monitors, I gotta imagine some have like a 3 year burn in warranty which might be enough to use it.

I want to like qd-oled but lg is the only oled I've seen that can significantly slow down burn in, so if there's no burn in warranty LG might be the best option

Repost.*Accidently clicked a bunch of random people.

The LG C5 42" is about to be the best oled monitor for PC gaming now

Why do prefer the consumer TVs over the gaming monitors? are they really objectively better?

most of the time cheaper

better panel

better finish

better hardware

better brightness

oled monitors are a meme

I bought an LG tv last week (c4) and it has the normal menus and stuff, but then when you turn on gaming mode it just turns all the monitor UI to the one they use for their gaming monitors.

They're basically just giant monitors, and LG has the best track record with OLED burn in, so people are getting those and calling it a day.

isnt the c5 just a c4 with "better" ai meme stuff?

nta but yeah its mostly random ai crap and a little bit better picture quality and a little bit better brightness but if you can get the c4 for substantially cheaper you're not missing much