Soul vs soulless

Nuh-uh, it was top of the line when it came out. And the landscapes and animations still look great.

Someone needs to hurry up and make a mod for oldblivion that uses newblivions skills and level up

Why the WoW-tier armor tho?

I hope, I really hope the Fallout 3 remake keeps the shit brown filter. In fact, I hope they make it more brown.

Maybe so but most modern games have this problem. It's gotta be some setting everyone just turns on to save time.

I don't like either, but right looks like misplaced WoW assets.

anyone else see it?

i see what they tried to do with the armors and characters, but it doesn't work if you dont use the same aesthetics on the enviroments.

This is just MS reusing and outsourcing everything they can and firing developers every 18 months to avoid paying benefits.

It had a green filter

old good, new bad

Fuck off. The remaster unironically looks great and they re-hired the OG art director.

is this real

Freemason belt?

Did they at least add a few more sets of armor? It felt extremely cheap to see random vagabond bandits in glass armor

Playing a female character

YOU are soulless.

how much more money does todd need before he makes an actual real new game? does todd need infinite money?

Daedric vagabond bandits are the most stupid.
I think even for a bandit syndicate leader, dedric equipment would be a but too much. It has literally been forged by gods.

He made a real new game, it was called starfield and it was shit

I hate how almost every heavy armor set in this game shows your face in some way because Todd was so obsessed with showing off his new facial technology.

It looks like soulless, derivative shit, actually. Sorry you got confused.

I can't even think of a game that came out in 2006 that looks worse than Oblivion.

Amazing how all the subhumans who shit on Oblivion for years and years are now its most ardent defenders.

Old = Good!

New = Bad!

The same cycle ad infinitum. You fuckers will be rimming Skyrim and acting like it is the greatest game ever made when TES 6 comes out.

you clearly werent around in 2006 because everyone was shitty on how bad the game looked even for that time

You are a retard. Most people hate closed face helms in games with character customization.

Oblivion is shit, this is worse.

they re-hired the OG art director

then forced him to reuse stalker 2's UE5 assets, great.

Oblivion is nostalgic, iconic and has charme, but it is still a masterclass in awful game design, remake or not.
The game is fucked beyond believe and requires heavy modding to be enjoyable as an RPG.

buggy gameplay with weird glitches

Horse Armor debacle

People have shat on Bethesda games forever now, it's tradition. They know the modders will make it better anyways.

I don't mind the glitches and bugs. they add to the games unique charme.
What I do mind however, is the teo curling agonizing levelling system from the depths of hell, acompanied by utterly busted enemy scaling, forccing you to painstakingly minmax every single skill increase and level up to keep up AND the artifacts permanently scaled to the level where you obtained them.
Vanilla Morrowind and Skyrim are still fun after all the years. Vanilla Oblivion is an exercise in frustration and agony.

Nah, WoW tier would be fuckhuge shoulder pauldrons. Still ugly though

So? Alot of RPGs have a "hide helmet" button or just other armor options available that don't cover your face.
Also on that note, Morrowind armor looked better.

Most people can fuck off then.

first one looks like it had thought put into t, second looks like it was run through AI

Every armor set that is present in both Oblivion and a different Elder Scrolls game looks better in the latter option.
It's like they forgot to design armor between Morrowind and Skyrim.

I prefer oblivion glass and ebony armor to skyrim's.

Closed helmets > Open helmets
I <3 closed helmets and masks.
They shield my beautiful face from getting utterly wrecked.

I don't understand why it's so hard to do the same fucking design in remakes.

I'll agree with this purely for the fact the helmet is a much better shape in Oblivion.

I can agree with that, but I still think the Morrowind versions look better.
The glass Oblivion armor has that cool glow effect going for it too.

Left

20 highly motivated, passionate guys

Right

500 Indians

Hurr it look like AI

What the fuck is this nothing insult these days shut the fuck up

Glass armor was always dumb. Its a gemstone capable of absorbing magicka, but all the games treat it as a sort of metal and ignore its magicka absorption ability entirely. metal vibrates and bends, leather folds, but gems crack.

You'd have to have a soul to understand

the only issue i have with Mithril is that weird tie collar thing. The yellow dots are also a bit weird, but they're on both so i don't know

AI would have improved it.

No, they absolutely did not. Oblivion was a visual powerhouse at the time of release.

right looks like a larper in some homemade foam armor

There were two camps back then.

1. Gamers who have an appreciation for art, owned a PC, etc.
2. Retards.

Gamers who liked art had played PS2 games like MGS3 or whatever and then there were retarded xbots who had apparently never seen good art in their life or something. Revisionists talking about Oblivion looking good don't realize Crysis came out a month after Oblivion either. Unironic mongoloids.

Now I know Oblivion has some nice aspects to it but the idea that it was a "powerhouse" or was even in the top 20 games released that year visually is fucking batshit insane.

Retarded AI got rid of the corset.

Oh yeah morrowind armor design mogs the other games almost across the board.

I didn't say it was the most graphically impressive game, I'm just saying that it was very impressive when it was first released. If I waste my time and post contemporary reviews that praise its graphics are you going to be a massive faggot and equivocate saying they don't count? Be honest before I go out of my way for you.

Oblivion was a visual powerhouse at the time of release.

It wasn't though. You're citing reviews written by retarded shills and retards that took them as gospel. Assassin's Creed came out a month later too.

Oblivion was an absolute joke.

Reminder that these are the people seething over Oblivion and creating fake narratives since xheir game bombed.

playing as a girl

So to clarify, even if I find reviews release contemporarily that praise the graphics, you will still choose to ignore reality and claim that it was not graphically impressive at the time. Got it.

returning to tradition

That looks like shit

Naturally, because I can think critically and I have eyes. You seem to believe that reviewers ever had integrity and aren't just retards or paid shills.
The reality and cold hard fact is that Oblivion was never EVER seen as a "graphical powerhouse", that's a fucking joke.

both SOVL

500fps vs 50fps

you just know this anime tranny wasn't around in 2006 and is arguing because it makes him feel like his opinion matters (it doesn't)

It's old

retard.
gta san andreas was released two years before wanna see how faces looks or textures ?
just check games before and in 2006
dishonest faggot

Now look at what came out in 2007, the same year as Oblivion.
Also you're being retarded there are plenty of older games that look better. MGS, Zelda, Battlefield 2, etc.
You're such a piece of shit trying to make this stupid argument.

MGS

didn't except cutscenes

zelda is out of the scope doesn't aim for realistic graphics even it looks good it's cartoonish

battlefield II just like any other fps looked like shit but oh well.

just shut the fuck up retard ,you're a dishonest faggot who can't even remember how games looked back then ,i wouldn't follow the opinion of someone who has amnesia at 33yo

Translation: Only your retarded opinion matters, any evidence to the contrary is fake.

Joke's on them. I haven't liked any AAA games since 2014.

2 years was massive back then here's 2006 game for example looks way better than oblivion

someone modded stalker assets in?

It definitely was as far as open world games go. That’s the distinction. There were linear games that surpassed it quite handily in many areas, especially face models and animations, but up until that point a game with multiple square miles of open map space you could freely roam that had the view distances, physics and lighting of Oblivion literally hadn’t been achieved before.

More like SOUL vs Other kind of SOUL

dude if you think what you posted looks better than oblivion just blow your brain ,you got shit in it.

Revisionists talking about Oblivion looking good don't realize Crysis came out a month after Oblivion either

Crysis came out over a year and a half later, the fuck are you on about?

All of those games are better looking than Oblivion, SOTC was another one. Sure Oblivion had a bigger scope but you forget how laughably shit it looked. God awful animations, tiling grass, horrible draw distance, terrible performance, crash issues, saves being corrupted, hideous NPCs.
Where is the positive?

the bloom

Wow... amazing. You'll ignore that the majority of people hated the bloom now.

what you posted

doesnt even recognize the game

ah you're just a baiting zoomer i see now

I always reasoned that the Oblivion gates opening left a lot of Dedric equipment laying around.

why is there smog everywhere?!

are the x117 elves in yet

Anti-soul gas.

lel

Low quality assets too, that includes how stuff is tweaked.
PBR has done incalculable damage to video game graphics for example. Because 99% of games have the values set to make everything look like pure shit.

Argonian farts

Yeah, uhh... Why the masonic belt ?

The faces in San Andreas looked a shit ton better. And the whole aesthetic for that matter. It actually used filters effectively and didn't smear the screen in vaseline.
I'm sure Oblivion did have better graphics on a technical level, but that means fuck all when the game is just plain ugly

Why are people suddenly praising how fucking ugly and hideous Oblivion was?

Dark Messiah not only looks better than Oblivion but is way more fun to actually play as well

Because you're new here (post 2014)

Potato heads are a timeless treasure anon.

Mod it then.

fixed

They lil bitches who cannot make an evil black man, so they make em yt's in the remake

They overdo it. The feature itself looks good but devs crank it up to 10x. Remember in 2005 or 2006 and all games had shitloads of bloom?

you best be trollin

landscapes

debatable

animations

hell no

boy i can't wait for the skyrim re-re-re-rerelease now that bethesda knows their shit eating fans will happily buy it again

Iron, Steel and Mail were great looking armor sets in Oblivion. They worked despite the limitations of the graphics. The Imperial Guard armor also looks good. Most of the others were horrible.

Looking better in confined areas does not change that Oblivion was widely regarded as being impressive graphically. Your entire argument hinges on ignoring the majority of people that said otherwise, you don't really have an argument other than that it's your opinion it was not impressive.

Because it wasn't ugly and you are a terminally contrarian faggot

Hundreds of hours in Oblivion OG, 54 in the Remaster. The Remaster looks really good. I'm not going pretend otherwise because some fake casual gamers looked at some low res screenshots or cherry picked bad examples.

The majority of people said holy fuck those NPCs are disgusting, the bloom is blinding and the run animation looks dopey as fuck when you're moving in any direction that isn't forward. Nobody thought Oblivion looked good until people started posting sunset screenshots in the last few years

Oblivion character models were ugly and anyone saying otherwise is lying. However the rest of the game wasn't, except the distance LODs and the lack of object and character shadows making everything look too flat. Bloom was doing a lot of heavy lifting but in 2006 Oblivion was top of the line. The only comparable open world RPG of the time was Gothic 3 and while its world looked better its character models were even worse than Oblivion's.

Oblivion looked liked dogwater dude sorry

Yeah this. The game's environment was great, the models not so much.

Everything makes sense once you realize that it's mostly assets shitted out by Indian sweatshops.

I completely demolished your argument and now you're defending Oblivion's bloom. The only thing it did that was unusual.

The majority of people thought that the environments were beautiful. They didn't complain about the animations and the bloom because neither of them were expected to be much better and the bloom problem was still growing to a problem rather than being a major one in the industry. Again, I can post several major reviewers that were very open about praising the graphics, but I'm pretty sure you are just going to say they don't count.

this is what i was thinking as well. the characters and a few other aspects looked pretty rank but the rest of the game actually looked pretty good.

You didn't demolish anything. Your argument is that nobody thought it was graphically impressive. That's false. *You* didn't find it graphically impressive. You are not everyone

It's true. You are a retard.

In what fucking world is this a graphical masterpiece?

Character models look way better than Oblivion and the game isn't oversaturated with bloom
Cope and seethe Bethesfaggot

I've been here since 2007, oblivion has always been ugly as fuck, retard

damning image

youtu.be/x1mccFqEUuU

Looks fucking miles better than oblivion despite being source engine where you can't do open world. Character models aren't made out of clumps of clay and the lighting doesn't burn your retinas with bloom up the ass

OK now look at the grass trees and buildings and realize you're cherry picking like a little faggot.

but oblivion did these few things worse than some other games

ok? And it did a bunch of things better than a lot of them too. Trying to make Dark Messiah of all fucking things the hill to die on just proves you're a fucking retard.

Not an argument. I don't care that you didn't like it. You stated that people did not think it was graphically impressive on release. That is a complete and total fabrication.

Meant for

All I know is when I saw this teaser back in the day I thought these kind of graphics were impossible, I was so blown away.

youtube.com/watch?v=CUExueUU2Jc

In retrospect it's clear Bethesda were cheating a bit and Todd is playing a version they tuned and made nicer and the released game didn't look as good but this was incredible to see back then. I genuinely felt like this was a real forest. Kind of ironic because the forests in the game suck ass.

youtu.be/4Lj4A6L-mbk?t=980

You buy game, NAO! Bing bang booo, stupid gwailo!

I like Dark Messiah quite a bit but people overstate the absolute fuck out of pretty much every arguable quality it has

Oblivionfaggot thinks this looks good

Lmao, go suck some more Todd dick

That does look impressive for a 2006 game with an open world. Post some contemporary competitors

I'm not going to say that Oblivion looks good, but it at least had some identity to it. The remake just looks like every other Unreal Engine game. You could easily convince me that shit was from Avowed or Elder Scrolls Online.

Best thing about Oblivion was making your character for 50 minutes, trying to get something acceptable with the potato faces, only for it to instantly collapse once you leave the sewers and see the horrible outside lighting effects ruin everything

You're a zoomer who wasn't even alive back then.
Graphics haven't even changed in your lifetime, games now literally look the same as they did when you were born.
Shut the fuck up about things you don't understand, child. Go play fortnite with your friends like a good zoomzoom.

zoomer that wasn't even alive in 2006 has opinions

it certainly wasn't the single best looking game of the day, but it was universally praised for its graphics at the time

but but bloom or some shit

nigger in this thread tying to use Shadow of the Colossus, the brownest game with the worst frame rate of all time as an example of looking good. You retards lost a long time ago.

We were comparing it to Dark Messiah and it looks worse. Drenched in bloom and looks like shit. The only parts of Oblivion that look good are the areas where art design carries it like the Imperial City, it's always been an ugly game

tard vs retard

Sad thing is Avowed is pathetic in comparison to a UE5 wrapped gamebryo game from 2006. Basically every aspect of world interactivity is downgraded in Avowed compared to Oblivion, and the excuse that it has fancier lighting and textures doesn’t even apply now.

Oblivion ran worse and has worse graphics. People are using SOTC because it's also an open world game.

You are actually retarded.

hurr zoomer zoomer zoomer

Oblivion was always made fun of for the excessive bloom and potato people, just cause you played the game as a toddler and built it up as some unachievable standard in your head doesn't mean it ever looked good. There were PS2 games that looked better than Oblivion.

I accept your concession

There were PS2 games that looked better than Oblivion.

Such as?

Yes it was, always was, still is
It might've looked good through your 8 year old eyes but nostalgia doesn't replace reality
Skyrim got rid of the monstrous facial designs but still looked like shit, ugly and brown
Same shit with Fallout 3 and 4. Bethesda games have always looked bad and they keep looking worse as time passes
And I am speaking from a place love, I've played these games to death despite them being 6/10 experiences across the board. There's no sandboxes quite like them elsewhere with same level of moddability
it's just that bethesda is incompetent with their writing and world building so the base game experience is very lukewarm, new vegas showed that the game engine and visuals don't matter if you give players good dialogue, decisions, agency and fully realized systems

You are a spastic retard.

Where do these people even come from? BF2 mogged the shit out of it
youtube.com/watch?v=K58u6AY8tZk

It's an open world game with ps2 textures insane amounts of brown, virtually zero actual objects in a world famous for being minimalist that has a universally derided framerate and no fucking draw distance. Again you guys are picking the dumbest possible hills to die on.

Can't belive they ruined khajiit females

You definitely were not alive at the time. I am now convinced. Sorry zoomer

Yes it was made fun of for two very specific things, which were much less of a problem at the time, and you're ignoring the fact that it was universally praised for its overall appearance and graphics which you would know if you were there or would bother to consult something other than your headcanon.

I mean its world is totally empty

Oblivion is an open world game with ps2 textures insane amounts of green and bloom and far less impressive animations and graphics. What's your point?
SOTC also laughably has a better draw distance and it's not all empty like you're implying.

And Oblivion's is full of flat tree textures that face you, what is your point? SOTC's landscapes look better unironically.

damn, the remake on the right looks so bad
what were they thinking with the forced "soul"
haha, it's ugly, thus it has soul, get it?

Having hideous characters in the game does not mean that most people were not blown away by the graphics at the time. Its environments and physics were top-notch and basically nothing that many of us had played came even close to what it had at the time.

Oblivion is an open world game with ps2 textures

You do not know what you are talking about.

posts a 30 second clip of a blurry brown sludge with so much lens flare you can't even see the sky.

Care to try again?

Twilight Princess and Okami came out that year and looked better.

It's easier to make an empty world and compensate. Oblivion ran on consoles.

Stylistically, maybe. Fidelity-wise, no, they did not.

Does the remastered have all the expansions built in? I only know Shivering Isles.

Always cracks me up how zoomers can't wrap their head around historical context and how quickly graphics were advancing in such a short space of time -- it's because they've had nothing but stagnation their entire lives and games still look more or less the same as when they were kids.

In what way exactly? They both have better models and animations.

They are both soulless. Reminder for all the faggots trying to rehabilitate Oblivion: Todd switched Cyrodiil from a jungle like land and the Imperials from being obviously based on Rome, to being Middle Earth because Todd wanted to cash in on the LOTR movies hype that came out just a few years before. Oblivion was always soulless, and all the "charm" is the result of laziness, not passion from a struggling team.

How can anyone think Oblivion looked good for it's time when Morrowind looked better?

Yes. You get all the original dlc. Shivering Isles, Knights of the Nine, Spell Tomes, Mehrunes Razo, The Orrery, Horse Armor, Wizards Tower, Thieve's Den, Vile Lair, and Fighter's Stronghold.

Well because it didn't, anon.

NOOO FUCK OFF ZOOMER I PLAYED THE GAME WHEN I WAS YOUNGER AND IM OLD NOW SO ITS ACTUALLY PERFECT AND NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS

Style>fidelity. GTFO Anon Babble if you think otherwise

The term "graphical powerhouse" is 100% related to fucking fidelity, which has been this entire discussion so far.

You can't be serious. I love Oblivion, but the faces made the game seem silly. Nublivion somewhat addresses the absolute potato that were the oldblivion's faces. Prime example are Khajiits that look a lot cuter.

God you all hate everything. Oblivion Remastered is like 100 mods but better and built in.

It replaces every single mesh, every single normal map, every particle, every lighting effect, every skybox, every shader, every animation, every texture, every single icon, every map, every menu, every button, every sound, the windows at night, the way things are harvested, every voice, every face, every tree, every plant, the landscape, every rock, every door, every piece of armor, clutter, and clothing and more. It's far more extensive than mods.

I ran Oblivion with 427 mods, I know what I'm on about. Even with a lot of effort here is a minimum of what you'd need to even get close.

1. Base Game
2. All DLC
3. Tons of mods. Like around 100. You cannot simply improve the graphics, you need a mod just to replace the way amulets look. Then another for something else, etc.
4. Mod Manager
5. Archive Invalidation tools
6. Oblivion Script Extender
7. TESVILODGEN.exe

If you do it all right you can end with a real nice looking game. Back it all up because now it's time for quality of life mods and half of them break the game. Fixing how hits work, archery redo, leveling system, leveled lists, lockpicking, how magic counts towards skill progression, how skill progression counts towards attribute growth. All of it needs overhauls. The quality of sounds, footsteps, voice acting, speechcraft, bartering, and more all need updates to fix major issues. Then the Unofficial Oblivion patch. Real lighting. Physics updates. There's too many quality of life things to count. I forgot many I know.

Truly it's significant work to get the game in a good place, it just aged too much.

Oblivion Remastered does ALL of that on the base game. If you still hate it, now mod it. There is no way this does not save a ton of time.

I love when Anon Babble gets mad when people like things

Then being a powerhouse was worthless because the game looked like ass in spite of all that power

based as FUCK rational anon

Don't forget that even beyond all that, modded Oblivion still runs like shit no matter what you do

Anyone complaining about new Oblivion should just wait it out honestly. People are already transferring core mods from the old game, it's only a matter of time until it has nearly all the mods anyone could possibly ask for.

This. People will bitch about the remaster being “sovless” then waste 150 hours downloading 2k wood barrel textures and 300 other mods in every Bethesda game just to get a Frankenstein’d graphics overhaul with a fraction of the cohesion and consistency of the remaster.

It was universally hailed as a good looking game in general and easily the best looking game of it's scale and size of the day. You can seethe all you want but a quick visit to metacritic will let you know that looking back with hindsight (trying to compare it to Crysis lol) is distorting your perception and proving how retarded you are.

Young anons don't know how exciting it was when Bethesda started releasing the teaser images. They were absolutely gorgeous.

I'll have you know an Oblivion mod has never once sullied my directory. Oblivion looks like shit, but i'm not a zoomer so shit graphics are nothing new.

It replaces every single mesh, every single normal map, every particle, every lighting effect, every skybox, every shader, every animation, every texture, every single icon, every map, every menu, every button, every sound, the windows at night, the way things are harvested, every voice, every face, every tree, every plant, the landscape, every rock, every door, every piece of armor, clutter, and clothing and more. It's far more extensive than mods.

it looks worse though lol

I don't think we've established anyone actually likes it. It's not a good sign when chuubas have to work to make it look fun. Nor is throwing away a decades old mod base. Without which the original would've been shovelware.

We get it, you're a contrarian.

Wait I don’t get it. Is the Oblivion Remastered soulless compared to the charm and brilliant art direction of the original game or was Oblivion always a pile of shit that looked like ass? Which opinion do I have?

People who already modded the game like that 10+ years ago are the ones saying the remaster is soulless.

It's not really an argument though. You're defending a very low budget Unreal Engine game that looks like shit has an objectively terrible UI.
If you're like this, you are the contrarian if you're not just a paid shill.

ruined

that looks like shit

looks fine

objectively terrible UI.

it's fine
stop whining about everything

I don't think we've established anyone actually likes it.

You mad? Gonna cry? Piss your pants maybe?

defending a shitty demaster

of oblivion of all games

the absolute state of Anon Babble