Did anon change his loyalties?
Did anon change his loyalties?
The Empire falsely imprisoned and was about to execute me with no trial. Why the fuck would I side with them?
people aren't comfortable playing roles in role playing games
eventually the only thing people are gonna want is a game where they can be themselves and win and never be challenged at all
Weak.
Because nords a racis
I became more of a sympathizer for a completely different Empire with none of the context TESV provides.
How is it Empirefags keep proving themselves to be idiots? The Mede Dynasty is not the Septim Empire.
Everybody makes mistakes. It's up to you to forgive them
Nords in skyrim were racist so obviously the writers have to make sure the audience gets on board with the empire being the canon choice
Skyrim came out after Oblivion and the theme of a decaying Empire has been present since Morrowind. Talos himself appears to the Nerevarine to tell him maybe it's time for the Empire to go away and let something new take its place.
TRVKE
muh greater good or some retarded commie bullshit to justify being a cuckold who gets trampled over.
literally just stealing posts from reddit or twitter or Anon Babble and stretching them to article length with AI to create more digital garbage
this shit is so fucking faggy
because the stormcloaks are inarguably worse ?
colonial imperialism eradicating native culture bad unless they are mystery meat multiculturalist shitskins in which case quit being a racist chud and let them take over
My argument is that you're a cuck and I'm the Dragonborn so you're immediately wrong.
It wasn't the stormcloaks that were about to cleave my head off.
Ulfric was kind of a megalomaniac dickhead, even if we did win the civil war he would've eventually done something stupid to fuck skyrim over. Half the country's issues are because of him anyway.
cool, now you get to be enslaved by the elves later after they win because ulfric weakened the empire
"j-just two more weeks...!"
As if they can handle a FUS, let alone a FUS ROH DA
the elves that are dead in the stormcloak victory but continue to roam skyrim in an imperial one?
he already said he was on the nord's side
impericucks are working for the elves, cutting people's heads off for daring to oppose elves
they already lost the war
the sooner they get eradicated the weaker the elves also get because they lose their most obedient slaves
you get to be enslaved by the elves
By that time, I'm already practically a god after absorbing all of those dragon souls, so I'd like to see them try when they couldn't manage it even before. As for the rest of the empire, #notmyproblem
ulfric weakened the empire
shouldn't have tried to lob off my head then. Reap what you sow.
skyrim is for the nor-ACK!
and that's a retarded move, killing a handful of diplomates does nothing but angre the aldmeri dominion and doom skyrim and the nords
I always sided with the empire because it's the chosen empire funded by Talos, blessed by akztosh
But he'll make Skyrim great again and what we need now is Nords returning to form
My character definitely did something to deserve it considering I immediately join Dark Brotherhood in every playthrough.
no
ulfric was always a retarded snigger
Maybe he just noticed the vastly superior Imperial architecture and realized how worthless Nords are beyond smashing things with big sticks
Skyrim fell short of this whole "us vs them" thing. I'm playing as a fucking Dragborn. Skyrim doesn't belong to the Imperials or the Stormcloaks, it should belong to ME along with the rest of Tamriel.
Remember it was a imperial Nigresss that wanted to kill you without trial...You are right in being Racist
Nobody's scared of a bunch of pussy elves fyi.
VGH... the vastly superior hamlets of CYROD...
Not the Mede empire.
Oblivion takes place in the 3rd era, the politics of the Empire is completely and utterly different, I still think Ulfric is a retard but the Elves still knew their place better in Oblivion
falsely imprisoned
You got caught trying to cross the border
This whole civil war thing feels like the most inane bullshit ever and still, still to this day after all these years people are treating it like its not some badly written quest with just as much meaning as any other in this shallow open world loot and kill sim. Why are people who play video games mentally ill like this.
Imperial architecture
Imperial City is Ayleid architecture. Impericucks are nothing but squatters, descendants from the slaves of those Ayleids.
NTA but that's not a crime. We don't know why the Dragonborn tried crossing into Hammerfell but it could've been for any reason. Maybe he just wanted to tame some Redguard strange. Ever think about that?
I dont think most normie players realise Skyrim is 200 years after Oblivion.
stop having fun!
it's the entire setting for the game
And here we see the Stormcuck demonstrating its lack of ability to consider long-term consequences
Long-term consequences is Imperials becoming swarthy Bretons after you get mass raped while you sit in the corner whispering "just you wait" to yourself.
Hammerfell held them off, so can the nords coincidentally both are great elf killers.
that's not a crime
Clearly the Imperial Law disagrees.
Most real laws, really.
Gotta crack some eggs to make an omelet
long-term consequences
Witchcraft
I am kind of a lorelet do the high elves ever not get completely ass raped by nords every time they meet them in force? Their armies are one of the few reasons the empire isnt completely occupied now right?
Nope, im Stormcloaks all the way and have only further doubled down on my choice. The Empire is a Thalmor Occupied Government or TOG as I like to call them, and if Hammerfell can be free then so should Skyrim. The Greybeards are retards, the High King was a pussy, and the Empire has to go
long-term consequences
Oh no, the Thalmor can't have an embassy in Skyrim and Talos worship is allowed again while the Imperials continue to cuck themselves what a horrible outcome
Fuck off knife ear
You're the one who comes up with your backstory.
Your character could very well have been rightfully imprisoned.
the dragonborn was crossing into skyrim, the reason is up to your RP.
this alone pretty much seals the deal, you have to be a serious cuck IRL or using an alternate start mod to reconcile the cognitive dissonance.
the civil war questline is shit but the way the setting was constructed gets you immersed in the factionalism that has torn apart Skyrim.
Because you're expected to be a cuck to an empire that tried to kill you and wants you to stay neutral to the Thalmor while actively aiding the Thalmor in enforcing they're laws within the empire as some kind of 4d cuck chess
The white gold tower is ayy architecture. The city was built by the Empire.
i'm gonna be 100% honest, i haven't played oblivion since release and i barely even paid attention to the story at all back then, so i really don't remember shit about the main story or the factions
can i get a qrd on each side? if thegamer posted about empire being good i'm guessing they are the cucked anti-white faction or something?
You, you're not on the list. Who are you?
spend several minutes morphing my face structure
You get executed with the rest of them
Where was the trial, Anon?
Because if the Nords win the civil war they are splitting from the empire, leaving the Thalmor the sole rulers of Tamriel and free to enact their plan of wiping out all humans.
Around elves, watch yourselves! Who cares about nigger Ulfric chimping out in public, when you COULD crusade against the Summerset Isles?
I disagree with you. Imperialism is always based.
t. Roman Slave State
If anything, you should realize that by the end of Oblivion the Septim dynasty is DONE and Nords have no obligation to stay in the Empire as their oath was with Tiber Septim and his bloodline. This also sparks the beginning of the Thalmor to recreate the Aldmeri Dominion and push into the Great War. The White-Gold Concordat was the actual coup de grace to whatever's left with the Empire. Everyone is fucking leaving, and you are dropped into TESV with the Nords wanting out as well. IT'S DONE. IT HAD A GOOD RUN BUT IT'S DONE.
Daggerfall: sent on a fetch quest to take a god’s heart by Emperor Lazyfuck
Morrowind: imprisoned and sent to Morrowind by Emperor Lazyfuck on the hunch that you’re the Chosen One for a race and culture that despises the Empire
Oblivion: Tasked by Emperor Lazyfuck to oversee the end of his family dynasty and fuck over Tamriel forever
Skyrim: Spared from execution by the Empire thanks to dragon Satan, then asked to help them conquer the province
They can fuck right off.
We all know Elder Scrolls 6 will mostly hand wave the events of Skyrim and the civil war.
Skyrim is basically "Swedes should accept more refugees", 2011 edition.
Where was the trial
Right then and there.
Not necessarily, there's legal ways to cross a border. Dragonborn's name wasn't even on the list of people to be executed, they only lumped him in because he just so happened to be crossing at the same time as the Stormcloaks. It's just one of those things left up to player interpretation.
What part of your analogy does Alduin fit in?
you're not on the list, I don't know why you are here, therefore you are sentenced to death
you should side with me btw lmao
Get fucked, imperial faggot.
Alduin is a refugee from the past
What is there to forgive if they don't regret their actions
roaming hammerfell
"news from the nords of skyrim"
"did you hear the new dragonborn is leading an army against the imperial city? Claims to have divine right to rule"
KINO
CINEMA
falsely
Everyone in that cart was a criminal.
the buildings inside it are, the imps still use the rings of bulwark the elves made. anon is kinda right the imps are just high level squatters. their only lasting cultural impact are the Divines.
Any idea how similar the daggerfall map was to Skyrim or Oblivion?
No one can answer this for me.
Alduin is Klaus Schwab
why can't I side with the thalmor
it will shit on every bit of established lore and events in prior games while making sure to namedrop "neravarine", "dragonborn" and "hero of kvatch/champion of cyrodiil" in asinine, infantile ways
Daggerfall's map is randomly generated
lol not at all
shit was a randomly genned blobby mass
Just "happened" to be among the group containing the #1 guy on the Empire's shitlist? People have been courtmarshalled for less.
yeah the empire is literally Cyrodiil + High Rock + Half of Hammerfell during the time of Skyrim. It lost over half its territory, in the next game it had better be reduced to a nation state.
Most of Skyrim's cities consist of those crappy farm houses. Other than that you've got a frozen ruin, a dwemer ruin, Bravil 2.0, a converted fortress and an actually nice city which may as well be a part of Cyrodil with how Imperialized it is
virtually identical
they all have land and water and trees
I think that's enough pol for you. It's buckbroken your reality to the point you can't enjoy GOTD anymore. How was BG3?
90's Starfeild, nice!
As comm...globalists say; join us or die
Isn't fate a huge theme in the Elder Scrolls though? The Hero of Kvatch just so happened to be put in a prison cell disguised as an escape route for the Emperor. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer here you know? If you believe Dragonborn was up to no good, he was. If you want to believe he was a normal man crossing the border for business, that's what happened. Skyrim falls short on its storytelling sometimes but this was one of the things the writers did correctly.
What you did does not matter. That's not what you'll be remembered for.
Retarded
Racist
Whines like a bitch the second he doesn't get it his way
No wonder chuds love Ulfric.
Real life communists would unironically side with the Stormcloaks.
Anyone who sided with the Stormcloaks has never heard of Divide and Conquer
They'd happily let the rest of Tamriel be concurred by the Thalmor piece by piece because "not skyrim, not my problem" until the Aldmeri armies were at the gates and you had fuckall except your army of incompetent retards that couldn't fight off a single legion.
How was BG3?
Never played. Is it still enjoyable if I've never played a game like it before? I haven't even touched Diablo.
Conquered*
Morrowind? De facto abandoned by the Empire
Black Marsh? seceded then invaded Morrowind
Summerset Isles? seceded then reclaimed Valenwood, reforming the Dominion
Elsweyr? seceded and joined the Aldmeri Dominion
Hammerfell? united just to secede post-Great War then went back to killing each other
High Rock? Too busy killing orcs and getting btfo by pirates lmao. Probably going to balkanize
Wrothgar? Too busy raiding and killing to give a shit about politics
Skyrim? Trying to secede BUT NOOOOOO THEY CAN'T.
This is the state of TESV and for some reason you want people to still stay with the Empire?
I sided with the Thalmor in every playthru
when your daily duties including persecuting a religious majority at the behest of another nation, you are already conquered.
I would have sided with the stormcucks if there was an option to kill Ulfric and make me be in charge instead.
this post reeks of virginity
leaving the Thalmor the sole rulers of Tamriel
The Thalmor are already using the Empire as a proxy of their power my dude , the empire for all intents and purposes is a vassal state
At least they've got the ability to build onto what they're squatting in. Nords can't even build beds apparently.
And feel free to ignore literally every other city in Cyrodil
It's buckbroken your reality
learn to speak
bg3 is okay if you install the mod and skip every cutscene from the end of act 2 and forward.
If the empire bankrolled the revolution and caused a conflict within the stromcloaks to displace Ulfric, installing their own puppet.
Being pro-Empire is being pro-Thalmor. End of subject.
Except the first thing ulfric talks about after he wins is preparing to rape the elves again, an independent skyrim will offer more forces, far better united than any imperial army, against the elven threat. Nobody is abandoning other humans to the elves once the shit starts I expect even the redguards to chip in.
Empire cucks are most likely cucks irl , it's a psychological complex for them that they need to succumb to a stronger authority and can't understand that they're being manipulated on a base level.
I said this already but they really should've let you become leader of either faction. The Dragonborn has a legitimate claim to the throne purely because he's a vessel for Akatosh or whatever.
The Talos ban literally wasn't enforced until the Stormcloak Chimpout, and you're a retard if you think there isn't gonna be a second war.
The fact is, if Skyrim is led by the Stormcloaks, they will happily let the rest of humanity be fucked by the Aldmeri Dominion and ignore them all the way until their armies reach them. This is because their leader is a moron and a coward who had to pull a sneak attack on a young ruler who supported him and then run like a coward.
The LDB canonically does not give a shit about the Empire.
its almost completely unrelated to diablo. Yes, many normies been playing it, many women.
If you gonna play it just know that the game is big, very big, and 3rd act is probably bigger than the rest of the game combined if you gonna do everything there are to do.
Redguards using their sword singing and Nords using the Thu'um to bitch slap high elves back to the Summerset cuck Isles
Stop, I can only get so erect
a young ruler
HE WAS JUST A KID.
b-but if you side with the stormcloaks the aldmeri dominion will win!
I was slaughtering groups of high elves before I learned fusrohdah mother fucker, summerset isles will be my eternal bitch once I'm done learning every shout there is to know. The fuck are they going to do against a man who can literally destroy dragons with his voice and command them to do his bidding? Fuck the altmer extremists, I'll shout their islands into the depths of the ocean and there isn't a single fucking thing they can do about it
Wrong nigger
I think so. It released as a mess but was patched aggressively so the only compliants I hear now are culture war.
8.5/10 that when I finished I couldn't believe the online obsession with.
Except the first thing ulfric talks about after he wins is preparing to rape the elves again,
No, he talks about preparing SKYRIM to do their OWN shit
Ulfric would not give the smallest fuck if Cyrodiil burnt to the ground and every last Imperial and Breton was slaughtered if it meant he could continue drinking mead in his shack undisturbed for a while longer.
Why do you think they call him an asset? Because he's dividing and weakening humanity by being an obstinate retard.
That's the low IQ reason but accidentally correct
sailing through the Sea of Ghosts
No sane Nord would do this. The Nords would have to march through Hammerfell than sail through there. The only faction that could probably sail through there is the Aldmeri Dominion since they have the best boats and sailors due to their autism about finding Aldmeris.
Legate Rikke ain't gonna fuck you lil' bro
The Talos ban literally wasn't enforced until the Stormcloak Chimpout
But it was already in law and the Thalmor were looking for any excuse to get the Empire to crack the whip as a method of controlling the Empire and get it to tear itself apart - because, at the end of the day, the Empire is already dead and occupied by the Thalmor. The whole point of the ban was to to cause division and weaken Talos as a god, the literal god of the empire and of the Blades which is also now dead
Your cuckoldry is just astounding
Well either the dragonborn was crossing illegally, or Ulfric was stupid enough to think he and a group of uniformed insurgents could just pass through a border checkpoint unopposed
Following that logic, you could just as easily say you're going to roll up to the Imperial City, say "Sup bitchez, I'm the dragonborn, so that means I'm emperor now."
Honestly, everyone hates the Altmer
If Ulfric raises an army to march on Summerset I don't think there's a region in Tamriel that wouldn't send at least some troops to help
The only way to defeat the Thalmor is to always obey the Thalmor and give the Thalmor everything they demand. After a few more generations of serving the Thalmor in loyal vassalage, we will be ready to defeat the Thalmor once and for all.
Trust the plan, and praise the Eight.
"the mod"
False. The Thalmor wanted to absolutely destroy the empire but got BTFO'd in a final battle before the concordat was signed. Which was actually a win for the empire because prior to that they were sure they would be all be killed. Forced the Thalmor into an uneasy stalemate so the empire could gather strength again. Nords chimping out undermines that.
And what is the point of having an independent Skyrim anway when it would only exist for a few months before the elves annihilate everyone there?
In fact the Thalmor patrol around Skyrim to enforce their ban on Talos worship precisely to stoke unrest and anti-imperial sentiment. They are literally divide and conquer jews.
Redguards are working in secret with the empire, as opposed to the stormcucks who work with the Thalmor in secret
Nords are bad because they're not actually racist properly, and why Ulfric is flawed, he literally helps dungmer fucking shits for no reason
Why are you a lying rat?
No, communists are literal anti-imperialists. They would support the Stormcloaks out of tactical necessity, if just to retard the progress of the Empire/Thalmor, prevent further expansion and make a communist revolution easier to achieve and maintain. They don't need to like Ulfric to act in their own best interests. Just like they don't need to like Putin to support Russia against NATO irl.
But it was already in law
A law so strong that in one of the main Imperial cities, during the war, there is a giant Talos statue in the town square.
Nigga can't they just sail around High Rock or the Sea of Ghosts really that bad?
Your head is a small price to pay for a good conscience
Valenwood and Elsweyr are loyal and serve as buffer regions to almost any amphibious invasion into the Isles save for one through Hammerfell.
nigger Stalin literally killed Trotsky over this exact argument
feel free to ignore every other city in cyrodiil
most are tantamount to shit, but so are Skyrim's cities so oh well. Bethesda has a hard time making good cities.
There are many things wrong with your post
you're a retard if you think there isn't gonna be a second war.
Even Ulfric is aware he will have to fight the Elves soon. The Dominion doesn't have a huge army, it just has powerful mages and spycraft. The rebellion in Hammerfell was already a success prior to the events of Skyrim, so a Stormcloak-led Skyrim can count on them as an ally in the next war, High Rock will likely secede as well, they're being ripped apart by a plague during the events of Skyrim to make things even worse for them.
sneak attack on a young ruler
trial by combat to prove the weakness of Imperial rule. doesn't matter if Torygg supported him, he was a weakling who had no divine mandate.
Why do you think it's called the sea of ghosts, anon?
would that be the first time that happened?
He wasn't a megalomaniac at all thoughbeit (and was in fact possibly too "moderate", when you take a position like his you do sort of have to commit to a relative extreme)
I missed the part where he talks about helping the Empire fight the Elves. All your image shows is Ulfric saying they're going to prepare for when the elves come for their asses AKA waiting until the Thalmor have pillaged their way to Bruma so Skyrim can have their heckin epic marvel moment.
The empire might be occupied by the Thalmor and enact Thalmor laws in their empire but they weren't annihilated so they akshully won
Lol, lmao even. The Blades were outlawed under threat of death and Talos worship was made illegal though wasn't enforced initially until the Thalmor made a big enough stink about it
The empire survived only as a vassal state of the Aldmeri Dominion
And what is the point of having an independent Skyrim anway when it would only exist for a few months before the elves annihilate everyone there?
Oh yeah I'm sure they're going to sail around Hammerfell through the Sea of Ghosts and invade Skyrim (a province they admit seems worthless to them) after Skyrim secedes and the Nords will be weaker with a leader that openly wants to reform Nord society to start using the Thu'um en masse again.
Right right
German ESLs are hilarious.
It's like getting captured alongside Che Guevara. Of course you're gonna get put against the wall, it's not personal. Just bad luck.
The Empire weakened the Empire, in fact they literally surrendered to the Aldmeri Dominion despite the fact that one Nord Legion routed the ENTIRE Dominion army. They won and still surrendered.
stormcucks who work with the Thalmor in secret
They don't, and if the Empire wasnt a bunch of incompetent chucklefucks then they would've let Skyrim secede while doing the same thing they've done with Hammerfell
That's anti-logic, the elves are the ones at the root of the problem in Skyrim. The Imperials just want peace through submission of their own and that of the Nords of Skyrim, if I had the power to push the Altmer's shit in then peace between men would be back on the table. Why would I wage war with Imperials in that same vein of "logic" when it would achieve nothing? The Altmer would still be fucking cunts that need bitch slapping till they stop sticking their noses in human business
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The Thalmor are bros. They are just trying to teach you that worshiping a false god is immoral. Cease your heresy, then you may live in peace and lick cute elf feet.
This is roughly as large as Morthal
some provincial official made a fucksy-wucksy so now I will side with the USSR to help them destroy my own religion and race!
if the redguards can beat those little elf shits, the nords can too. 500 half-naked nords with axes toppled the last elven empire that contested them for control of skyrim.
Anti Imperialist
Iron Curtain and a genocide
I know, I know, no true Scotsman.
Not only is it stupid cold and full of glacial ice that's gettting closer to Skyrim but it's also haunted. Most of the islands that are there are inhabited by some tribes that are hostile to everyone.
Brother, Elder Scrolls 6 will be like another 1000 years in the future or whatever.
You will wake up in a Hammerfell prison where you're tasked to complete missions for the Redguard emperor of all of Mundus. Everyone will be black and all other races other than Khajit and Argonians are only found as ghosts in crypts. The only guild you can join is the Dark Brotherhood, which is now just a political black supremacist party.
for it will be skyrim that shall lead tamriel
What part of this says he will wait until the elves already rule the world?
They had the leader of the rebellion in custody. You think they're going to delay his execution to trial some nobody?
the roman empire is not the roman republic, they are totally different!!!
The Dominion doesn't have a huge army, it just has powerful mages and spycraft.
Yes, which they use to break the empire apart with rebelling retards so instead of having to face a united humanity all they need to deal with is a bunch of squabbling breakaway states. The only reason Hammerfell didn't break was because of bullshit sword magic and "deserter" legions
trial by combat to prove the weakness of Imperial rule
Running up to a child who actively supports you, sucker punching him with Thu'um, then running like a chicken is not what I'd call "Combat"
No person is illegal chud
Argonians however are not people
Fucking hell, I hate that they changed their idea for Markarth from cool old Nord/Reach stuff to "dude what if it was a le DWEMER city all along??" As if Skyrim didn't already lack Nord architecture, or Reachman stuff for that matter, while having an abundance of Dwemer shit
Wonder how long that's gonna last as the Aldmeri Donjon grows stronger and the Imperials cuck harder after losing most of their provinces lmao
gol hah dov.. oopsy now the thalmor are under my control, nords can worship talos once more and the imperials can go back home. no need to thank me, you can thank hermaeus mora though for teaching me how to solve all the problems skyrim will ever face
Does this artist know that Ysgramor was also the first Man to translate his language into Elvish? He wasn't some dumbr brute that just killed thousands of elves (he did), he's also one of the first scholar-kings of Man.
It's actually crazy how markarth is basically the same as your image except dwemer tileset swapped + they literally changed the scale making it like 5x smaller
Ah yes, I'm certain that when the rabidly anti-imperial rebel is talking about leading the world, he totally means he's going to become buddy buddy allies with the empire he hates so much he betrayed and killed a child for not being anti-imperial enough.
Running up to a child who actively supports you, sucker punching him with Thu'um, then running like a chicken is not what I'd call "Combat"
Look at how dishonest the Imperial cuck is, his mind is so polluted by elvish lies that he can't even admit that a grown man elected as High King couldn't even beat a guy who mastered the most basic of dragon shouts in one on one combat and is calling it "unfair". Probably couldnt even solo a mudcrab, what a bitch
Holy shit the pure amount of cope you lower your self to.
The same Elves that couldn't invade an entirely abandoned Hammerfell when at full strength are going to invade the harshest place on Tamriel (bar the "inner" Black Marsh) with extremely tenuous supply lines and the logistical nightmare of marching through three hostile provinces or around the Sea of Ghosts (passing through the piracy filled waters of Hammerfell and Daggerfall) to "fight a land war in Russia where it's winter even in the peak of summer" against a foe that routed their full-strength army at the battle of the White-Gold tower with just one legion and butchered them and they now have serious manpower problems ?
I don't know what you are talking about, every time I play the incompetent chucklefuck traitors are stomped and the Empire does exactly what you said?
In the scenerio you describe he just leads skyrim, not all tamriel, so that doesn't make sense.
Well yeah he made a depiction of elves so clearly he's artistic
He also learned elvish so he can call them faggots more easily
a leader that openly wants to reform Nord society to start using the Thu'um en masse again.
this is only implied, but it should have been outright stated. Ulfric blatantly used the Greybeards to obtain knowledge about the Thu'um just so he could use it for combat. it's actually kind of hilarious how underplayed Ulfric's racialist worldview is.
squabbling breakaway states
Skyrim and Hammerfell have no reason to infight, also like the other anon said, Nords have their own magic bullshit as well. The only thing that made the Empire legitimate was the divine mandate, a literal Divine mandate. They no longer have backing of deities, evidenced by a shitty Daedric Prince like Peryite being able to engineer a plague within Imperial lands, probably to cause enough chaos in High Rock so they secede next.
a child
he was a child, he dindu nuffin! Torygg was a young man, not a kid, getting fucked up by a superior warrior is combat, him being btfo'd by the Thu'um is Ulfric demonstrating just how powerful Nords can be when they aren't cucked by Imperial law and the Way of the Voice.
The covenant with Akatosh was broken at the end of Oblivion. There is no divine right to rule. The only right to rule comes from being the man on the throne, just like with the high king
should've picked a high elf
That's weird because everytime I play every single imperial cuckold is openly aiding the Thalmor and cries like a bitch before getting massacred by basic Stormcloak volunteers
Maybe turn of the cuck mods you have installed?
The Imperials "lost" the war (actually surrendered) to a foe that was fleeing mind you. No wonder Titus Mede had himself assassinated
Mmmmm, BBC prison sissyboy. To based to be believed.
kek, you get my point. We don't know what Canon is.
Growing up is understanding the Thalmor are right
the empire is decaying and foreign controlled while the elves are odious in their demands and overstretched
The Nords choosing their own destiny is the only correct move
The entire Dominion army was routed by ONE (1) Nordic legion, despite this Titus Mede still surrendered to a beaten foe for fear of losing his personal power.
Amaund Motierre is a member of the Imperial Council, he either wants the Council to rule, or wants to be able to reconvene and coronate a new Emperor. The Imps did lose, quite embarrassingly, and if they kept fighting they would have been destroyed, remember, the Thalmor controls Elsweyr and Valenwood, they have more than a few elven footsoldiers at their disposal.
Ulfric blatantly used the Greybeards to obtain knowledge about the Thu'um just so he could use it for combat
No, he genuinely went there to learn their traditions and disagreed with their pacifistic worldview after hearing about the plight of the rest of Skyrim.
it's actually kind of hilarious how underplayed Ulfric's racialist worldview is.
His concept of racialism had nothing to do with his leaving High Hrothgar, cuck. Also have you played a TES game before , my N'wah? The Thalmor are literally some kind of elvish mix of Gnosticism and Nazism and the Imperials literally spit on nords for being drunk savages especially in Oblivion
Yeah the DB, dripped out with every daedric artifact and word of power on the planet, is going to care what some snot nosed bureaucrat or preist thinks about it. The "divinity" in his right to rule is the size of his nuts (and dragon he rode in on (and his nuts too))
I was in the army with a dude who looked just like this. Was named Adolph too. Got stuck in a window and everyone pissed on him.
Well duh there's no true canon playthrough I just think the Stormcloaks make a lot more sense for any kind of non NTR roleplaying in my video game
Do people actually play as non Bretons?
Literally the opposite way around, the Empire surrendered and signed the White-Gold concordat despite the fact that a single legion routed the bulk of the Dominion's forces and dealt a crippling blow to their manpower
No, he genuinely went there to learn their traditions and disagreed with their pacifistic worldview after hearing about the plight of the rest of Skyrim.
this is true desu I forgot that part.
His concept of racialism had nothing to do with his leaving High Hrothgar, cuck.
why am I a cuck for calling a spade a spade? he has a racialist worldview, take note that I never said that was a bad thing.
All kings of Skyrim have a lineage that traces back to Ysgramor since that man literally fucked everything including giants but not Mer for some reason.
Only one nation that I'm aware of has ever balkanized in the face of a threat and won. 99% of the time it leads to divide and conquer.
returning to skyroom after bg3 and realizing your choice of race doesnt matter at all and there are like 3 instances where anyone in the game comments on it, and absolutely nothing changes in any of the quests because of it. Was it the same in other tes games?
imagine actually believing the thalmor are a threat to skyrim? have they EVER won a single military campaign? all of their imperial gains were accomplished with subterfuge and misdirection (summerset, elsweyr, valenwood) and the only military campaigns they ever pursued (cyrodiil, hammerfell) ended in catastrophic defeats and routes. they're the least threatening force on tamriel. the dragonborn could solo their whole empire if he wasn't a TES protagonist and thus doomed to disappear after his game.
growing up is understanding your oppressors and soon to be overlords are actually your saviors
growing up is having common sense, not having stockholme syndrome
They can't because Skyrim's government doesn't want to. The Stormcloaks aren't fighting the Empire, they're fighting the kingdom.
How do people not realize that the civil war is a civil war?
Stormcloak public and ideology are sympathetic but even a slightly cynical reading will tell you that Ulfric is a reckless, dangerous and egotistical self promoter who aided the thalmor and significantly worsened everyone's lives to push his political career
killed the high king who respected and accommodated him just for the fame of having done it in a duel
agreed to be a thalmor asset
kicked up the talos row publicly when the empire was already permitting talos worship - de facto digging up dirt and leaking it publicly to the thalmor - making himself the face of talos worship while actually causing its suppression
using this to start a civil war amongst pro-talos, anti-thalmor populations because he'll get to be at the head of one of them
With this it's little wonder that the thalmor tried to block tullius from executing him
Skyrim and Hammerfell have no reason to infight,
Skyrim and Hammerfell are not going to solo the Dominion when a fully united Empire didn't. If Ulfric was able to work with imperials without chimping out, there would have never been a rebellion, so that's not happening either. Therefore, humanity will be completely broken and divided.
Torygg was a young man, not a kid, getting fucked up by a superior warrior
A warrior so powerful he was captured by the Empire and only survived because of the Dragonborn? Who depends on said Dragonborn to not continue losing?
Actually the Thalmor secretly supports Ulfric because he weakens the Empire. You can read it in a document inside the Thalmor Embassy and even Tullius tells you the same before you kill him.
Good maymay, but "Anuics" as a whole don't actually want to achieve "CHIM" but simply want to go back to the Dawn Era because one nigger had to do manual labour or something once and this is literally a fucking hallofcost and it's all you fucking goyim's fault that we wuz no longer kangz or something
Nope, I didn't side with the (((altmer))) puppet in the first place. A good elf is a dead elf, fuck Ulfric. Fucking knife ears belong into an oven.
The High King is illegitimate since he's the puppet of the Empire that doesn't even know how to fight. Skyrim was thrown into civil war for a whole lot less before.
Very cool power trip, very convincing. Uh oh, what's that? Is that a motherfucking Dragon Break? Looks like you never existed in the first place now.
I truly will never understand the irish and their insane hatred for brits, aren't they all against punishing the son for sins of the father and all that shite? Even the french aren't this obsessed with brits
Umm sweaty you don't get it, by bending over an lubing up we're gonna drain them of all their cum then they'll be powerless !!
The High King accepted Ulfric's challenge, but Ulfric shouted at him instead of fighting honorably. That's like using a gun in a sword fight.
Their invasion of Cyrodiil was brilliant in strategy if you read how fast and coordinated it was.
heads can be rebuilt anon
people can't
it's a small price to pay for democracy
I had already played Oblivion when I played Skyrim so I'm always pro Empire.
implying the conflict will get a satisfying conclusion in Elder Scrolls VI
implying they will actually tell you who won instead of just handwaving it away
using shouts to fight
Was standard until Jurgen.
and it still got BTFO by a desperate, starving, and undermanned legion of imperials operating on the backfoot after the thalmor's blitzkrieg.
he has a racialist worldview
He does but I don't think they played a major role in his decision to leave. He's honestly about as racist as the average Nord , arguably less so because he doesn't seem to hate dunmer as much for whatever reason
What's funny about the leftist tinge against stromcloaks is that the same logic can be applied to star wars then but they refuse to support the empire there
The lore is the empire us gathering forced and consolidating resources to prepare for a out of galaxy invasion of forced repellent beings.
Noooo you can't defeat an occupation by the Aldmeri in your own land even though just to the west Hammerfell is doing that exact thing! Also rebellion against foreign occupiers has never worked once in real life history!!
not also sending the bio weapon that completely counter High-elf's that are the Breton
but not Mer for some reason
he hated elves, so much so that his weapon is enchanted by his deeds to hurt Elves more than other beings. the Falmer went into Nord villages and slit people's throats in their sleep, like the Injuns irl. they were terrible neighbors so he made it his mission to drive them to extinction so the Nords could live in peace.
Skyrim and Hammerfell are not going to solo the Dominion when a fully united Empire didn't.
why not? Elves don't reproduce as fast as humans, nor can they from what I understand. they simply can't replenish their numbers as quickly as humans, which is one of the leading reasons humanity ruled the world anyway. There is no reason to "work" with the Empire, they are a hostile state which persecutes their own people, they have no right to rule.
because of the Dragonborn?
because of Alduin, the Dragonborn gets him horny, sure, but it is ultimately because of Alduin raging out in Helgen. I think you would agree the Dragonborn becomes the greatest fighter in Skyrim, would you say he wasn't shit because he was arrested by a horde of imps? Ulfric was a soldier, a greybeard monk, and royalty. He has all the makings of a strong leader who represents the Nords and their way of life, Torygg represented a weak Empire, who he was doesn't matter, because if Ulfric's victory is canon then Torygg is a historical footnote.
as i always play an argonian i'd have loved to help destabilize the empire by joining the stormcloaks, but ulfric didn't let my brothers and sisters inside the walls of windhelm
Is gathering forces*
Implying the Bretons aren't Thalmor collaborators
1 drop
why would anyone want to ally with a hist sleeper agent?
Kill all sissycloaks!
This, 99% of Skyrim players were new fag's so that's why the into choice made no since to them.
t. Newfag enjoying the Empire in Oblivion
Why are altmer/bosmer even allowed to walk around in Skyrim. I feel like the general hatred of elves would lead to the expulsion and execution of the elvish population.
he doesn't seem to hate dunmer as much for whatever reason
his great (or great great) grandfather gifted them Solstheim, but I understand what you mean. it's probably an effort to court them as an ally, or at least end hostilities.
There was a leaker on Anon Babble like two months ago that said ES6 was 40 years after ES5. If that's the case without any lore leaks at all we can know for a fact the Stormcloaks are racist, fascist white boys that messed everything up. Just from body type 1 and body type 2 mindset.
Bethesda writing is so shit. They simultaneously want the AD to be threatening enough that the Empire needs to bend over backwards and kowtow to every demand while also constantly talking about how they can't accomplish shit. Why the fuck is the white gold concordate being honored? Is there any reason whatsoever other than that Bethesda needed a contrivance for the Stormcloak uprising? Why isn't there one iota of coherency in this entire retarded conflict?
Stop acting like a child and side with the corrupt empire that can't even protect it's own people you bigot
Average redditor reading comprehension
because at the time of the game the empire still rules skyrim and the empire is the cuck and allows them; hence why organizations like the stormcloaks exist at all.
Every death in my oblivion run has been poison or drowning. I want to do Argonian but I'm scared it's the first step to becoming a scalie.
I wish you could tell both the Empire and the Stormcloaks to fuck off
And the Thalmor too, fuck all of them
mmmmm elf pussy
Can someone explain why the Empire in Oblivion looks like generic fantasy europe but in Skyrim they look like a gay knockoff Rome?
The Talos ban is A LOT deeper than just material realpolitik or whatever the fuck you'd call it
That's besides the point. Saying the Empire should let Skyrim succeed because Ulfric wants it is like saying the US should let California succeed because the mayor of San Francisco wants it
get captured along with the highest traitor insurrectionist in the Empire
Why would they not assume you're with him?
Come at me bro
LOTR was out at the time
Racism bad. Diversity is our Strength. Skyrim was never Great.
It felt like the WW1 treaty. Both sides were pushed to there limits, and it was more of a time out than anything.
AD just asked masterfully for one concession knowing their useful idiot would come into play.
Because Obl*vion erased everything interesting about Cyrodil and Skyrim tried to give a small fraction of it back.
we must stop fighting to rebuild our strength
Isn't that exactly what the empire was doing?
Yeah it seemed more like he tolerated them at most
they still wear roman breastplates and kilts in oblivion, but the armbands/greaves break up the silhouette and make it less obvious. the REAL reason is that LOTR came out right before oblivion and massively affected the art direction in a way that wasn't true during morrowind or skyrim.
Valenwood are getting real fucking sick of the Altmer bullshit supposedly and Khajiit are metaphysically misaligned with the Altmer ( so in theory "should" eventually turn on them, but they're probably too whacked out of their gourds to even know what the fuck is going on)
I guesse you can play a greybeard negotiater in Skyrim if you don't pick a team.
I wish I could of joined the original inhabitants based on the Celts from the South West towns jail.
Yeah it was more about weakening Talos as a god afaik but it was to some degree realpolitik as well
In real life, the Empire would have drone striked the entire forest to kill Al-Friq Storm-bisht, terrorist of Ham-Atmora, and every peasant and horse theft caught in the bombings would be excused as collateral damage, including yourself.
None of that reddit fan-fiction actually happened though or is your reading comprehension that bad ?
The Legion and Thalmor are simply cooler than the stormcucks
Morrowwind or daggerfall OG?
Did you really hate oblivion at the time?
todd is such a fucking hack.
Did you really hate oblivion at the time?
Absolutely.
But Germany was granted tons of extensions and was consistently behind on paying off its war debts. This comparison only makes sense if the concordate is not being followed. The AD consistently getting fucked up whenever they try to make any moves, losing almost their entire navy, not being able to do anything about a dude screeching about Talos in front of a giant Talos statue in the middle of an Imperial aligned city. It makes no fucking sense that the Empire gives a single shit what the AD thinks about Talos worship at this point in time. A concession to end the war is not out of the question, but there's no reason they should actually be abiding by it after the AD proved themselves so inept.
A lot of us did
the empire is good
no they are evil, the stormcloaks are the good guys!
Does it matter? It's a game about badass guys with swords, magic and dragons. Just have fun. Pick one faction in one playthrough, then the other faction in another playhrough. You bought the game, enjoy all of it.
Never had any, I was the telvanni mindset since the beginning
Judaism, did the fact that they worship EL not tip you off ? Again the "weird Gnosticism" thing is also basically a direct transplant from IRL Jewish "mysticism"
To answer
Morrowwind or daggerfall OG?
I had played neither at the time Oblivion came out, but i have since played Morrowind and thought it was nice.
I just can't believe he pursued litteral garbage for the past 14 years.
Even Fallout 4 was trash and this half assed Oblivion remake that mogs everything else proves it.
Only fromsoft gets it, reuse assets and build off your successes to make the greatest games like all the top studios did in the 90's and 2000's.
Altmerchads simply exist and everyone else in the world turns red and cries
still haven't gotten an answer to this
how does leveling and such work now in the remaster?
dude just dont think or feel about anything ever
fuck off you fence sitting fag, people that like things are passionate about them. if you dont care that's your problem.
You make a good point.
Maybe ES6 will actually be elven centric and you deal with a disintegrating Aldmeri Dominion as it is besieged and about to be genocided by angry continentals.
I don't know if they are actually weak, but they most definitely overstretched themselves.
Wrong
There's nothing enjoyable about the civil war questline.
Thanks for the CIA propaganda bro, I'll check it out when I'm done wiping my ass with 1984
;)
Low fruit game + low iq player base = pointless arguments
What were people upset about?
Also did you find Skyrim better or worse?
As a snoy/tendie I missed all this.
you get 12 fixed points every level regardless of what skills improved instead of the previous max of 15 if you were playing like a weird fag. every skill in the game can contribute to your level ups like skyrim instead of only your majors. that's it.
kek
Bethesda isn't based enough to do that , but I like that mode of thought
Stop tricking him
Why be invested in a fictional conflict tho?
Well, the Oldscrolls story would be that the Dragonborn, Ulfric, and General Tulius successfully mantled Lorkhan. No one can remember which one was which or if there even were even more than one of them. Also, the Thalmor broke time at the same time. It got better, but now half the Altmer got turned inside out.
Pick one faction in one playthrough
It's best to pick neither. Either questlines are pretty bad and resolving the civil war robs you of a cool quest.
Just let them fight their meaningless war while you save everyone from the real danger.
t. Not A. Thalmor
Wouldn't a dark elf nationalist still not side with the Empire and do everything they can to destroy it?
I wish you South Americans and Slavs stuck to your own boards instead of shitting up our nice Anglo ones. If we are so bad, why are you here?
No, not the handful of bureaucrats and military police but the conquering army they came from and their 2+ supporting provinces, in addition to the dying Empire that you couldn't beat unaided (and now broke from). At best, you'll be able to hold position with Hammerfell as an ally.
The Nordic legion succeeded in doing the main encirclement in the battle of the Red Ring, but contrary to 's fanfiction, this was a portion of the Dominion's forces. At this time there was a Redguard army holding off off Dominion forces in the direction of Skingrad and Anvil, not to mention the fact there a whole other theatre still happening in Hammerfell. It was the northern Imperial forces that actually retook the city and destroyed the occupying army, with the Nords holding out to block a retreat.
You'd have to go back to the protracted wars against the Snow Elves to see Nords seriously kicking Elven heads in.
They had the leader of the rebellion in custody. You think they're going to delay his execution to trial some nobody
They could've put Ulfric on the chopping block first, and worried about the literal who at literally anytime later?
After the Red Year? Not really, Redoran drove the lizards back but they are still the biggest enemies of the Dunmer, and they're secessionist. Imperials are consolidating their forces in the west, but relief caravans and refugees still go in and out of Morrowind, and they got given Solstheim.
Now, if the Aldmeri Dominion who also border Black Marsh with their Khajjit allies, make them an offer of potentially double teaming the Argonians from two fronts...
because it's fun, like picking a side in every other pairing of opposed factions? you asking for an anthropological psychology course or something?
pancakes vs waffles
empire vs republic
red vs blue
alien vs predator
Bethesda doesn't get their gay action set piece if they do it that way.
The Talos ban wasn't actually enforced until the nords chimped out and gave an excuse for thalmor gestapo patrols.
Actual braindead race, same int stat as redguards and orcs.
The lore is the empire is gathering forces and consolidating resources to prepare for an out of galaxy invasion of force repellent beings.
Fixed some ESL for you as well.
An wrong, because Palpatine dismissed Thrawn's warning for the most part and instead bankrupted the empire by building two lolcowstars.
Also, the sequel trilogy is unfortunately iron-clad highest tier canon. No such extra-galactic threat exist anymore and Thrawn is now a dumb retard.
dragon lands on the tower
what is that? it's in the clouds!
Now I want Elder Scrolls Bannerlord.
As an Oblivi-chad I have always supported The Council and People of Tamriel
Star Wars is for faggots anyway so who cares
Todd is such a body type 2 when it comes to writing.
Both the Empire and the Nords want Talos worship back. The Empire is trying to delay until they can have a stronger position against the Altmer. The Nords think they can't afford to delay.
The Altmer just view it as a win-win for the most part. The delay weakens the Empire and furthers their goal. The civil war weakens the Empire and furthers their goal. If Talos worship is reinstated, then they have all the pretext they need to finish the job.
I want HP Lovecraft cosmic horror in much more media. I just did Hackdirt in oblivion, so far highpoint of the game.
It even goes a few layers deeper than that even more than the unmaking reality thing potentially and the fact that Talos is sort of a "replacement" for Lorkhan. Lorkhan wants everyone to eventually achieve Amaranth but that's sort of fundamentally opposed to "Anuics" metaphysically. What the Thalmor probably don't realise is that they would unmake reality, return to the Dawn Era and start the cycle all over again ironically trapping themselves in "Samsara" and again ironically with their whole gnostic angle would actually perpetuate the whole "cursed prison world" shit despite the fact that they view Lorkhan as their demiurge (but he's sort of the inverse despite being the "architect")
If you get oppressed, you win.
Dunmer would never ally with Altmer, they had a religious schism centuries ago, and still worship opposing deities. they are also too proud to be ruled by the other.
Isn't this the motto of our decade?
Why do you do this and not shut up and play the game oh wait the game isn't good so you need to talk about it instead of playing it. Reason 1 for the downfall of gaming!
Based, that's always my mindset too.
I sympathize with Ulfric's cause, but since he doesn't IMMEDIATELY drop to his knees and offers me free boipuccy sex in acknowledgement of my glory, he can go fuck himself (He is giving me attitude. Rule #1: You never give me attitude).
What's rule #2?
How does one inverse the demiurge? A really weak but very capable bacteria?
not to mention how these proud descendants of auri-el relied on a crazed daedra worshiper with a daedric artifact and started getting btfo after they lost access to it.
Is it bad enough yet?
I support the empire.
I do not support the elves.
The empire is controlled by the elves.
Thus, I do not support the current empire.
The empire must die so the empire may live.
for me it's Yes Man
dude! just support the imperialist pigs who want to take over your lands!
Fuck the Empire and fuck the Stormcloaks.
Skyrim belongs to the Breton Reachmen and the Falmer.
Not an alliance, just a happy coincidence of declaring a few wars simultaneously, nothing suspicious.
If you think about it, the Dunmer people went through massive collective trauma very recently in the timeline, destruction and wars, the Tribunal being shown as false and their entire collective identity and history since they stopped being Chimer proven a mistake. If there was any moment for a radical new religious or ethnic movement it would be now, nothing Thalmor money can't assist.
Yea, I enjoyed Oblivion but the difficulty killed it for me. I just can't find that sweetspot post level 20.
Way to easy, unless you turn it up a level, than way to hard, unless you enchant, than way too easy. Games unplayable.
"When you actually know historical context, ethnocentric nationalism looks fucking retarded!"
it's like poetry. it rhymes.
If Talos worship is reinstated, then they have all the pretext they need to finish the job
Finish what job? They lost. They were repelled from every territory they tried to take.
Now show the Dominion losses
Skyrim belongs to the Falmer
mer
i'm THIS close to gathering 500 nordic gorillaniggas
Nah, Aldmeri demands were the same as when they started the war. The only difference was that now the emperor could sign the treaty after a big war, thus convincing everyone else that "at least we've tried". If he agreed to the terms without even trying the empire would have disintegrated (sooner).
Retard, you were arrested because you were caught in the middle of the same Imperial ambush that captured Ralof and Ulfric, not because they saw you crossing the border.
weren't the empire rushing the executions so that the thalmor couldn't interfere with ulfic getting beheaded, and (you) get caught in the crossfire?
Nord fags' ancient "heroes" knelt down and sucked Chimeri cock like the dumb little blonde bimbos they are
So true
That's what I love about Skyrim, they predicted the vatnik Media psyop 5 years in advance.
We need to defeat Xi by hating our community! Kleptocratic Petro state Russia is do based, WAY better than Commiefornia who literally pays all my taxes.
Redguards are working in secret with the empire
Headcanon
but muh legions left behind
A single Imperial general allowed some of his troops to desert so they could stay behind. This took place several years before Hammerfell seceded. And those troops would have been Redguard conscripts that would have been defending Hammerfell anyways, alongside the troops that were taken away to defend Cyrodiil. The Redguards very pointedly dislike the Empire and won their war on their own.
as opposed to the stormcucks who work with the Thalmor in secret
You're an illiterate retard that doesn't know what an "asset" is. If Ulfric is an "uncooperative asset" then the Empire is a "cooperative asset" because they are actively and willingly doing what the Thalmor tell them to. An asset is anything they can leverage to their goals. The dragons are also an asset, but they're DEFINITELY not working with the Thalmor.
For me it was growing up with Morrowind, being obsessed with the world and lore, building an image of Cyrodiil and the IC in my head as this cutthroat megacity (mostly from Caius' dialogue), and having it absolutely shattered by Oblivion. I didn't know this nu-Tamriel at all, with its blueberry retard Dark elves, happy-go-lucky whimsical nature, boring ass samurai good guy Blades, and lack of Jeff Baker's voice. Gone was the serious tone, the racial differences/racism, in-depth NPC texts (yeah yeah much of it was copy/paste), and the endearing subtle mystery that permeated everything in Morrowind. Make way for 200 supar scarey Oblivion gates and samey looking potato faces sharing 5 voices between them to drive you mad.
There was several things that went wrong for the AD. They didn't count on
1. Arannelya's army to be halted in Hammerfell, failing to reinforce Naarfin to fully consolidate their forces in Cyrodiil all the while the Empire already got their reinforcements from Hammerfell.
2. Too slow to adapt to the changing nature of the war. Ever since capturing the Imperial City, the momentum basically stopped and they all just sat on their dicks waiting for Arannelya and wanting to sue for peace while not pushing towards Bruma, Chorrol or even Cheydinhal (would be costly but Bruma was the last city for the Emperor to hold out on before crossing through the Jerall Mountains and into Skyrim)
3. The Nords, despite being the smallest part of the Emperor's army, being able to retake the EAST and SOUTH garrisons of the AD within days and then captured Fort Alessia despite the AD having the advantage (Nords have some kind of weird mythical bonus against elves).
4. At that point anybody that's left outside to help were the forces in the West Weald and Great Forests that threw body after body trying to gain a foothold back into the Imperial city
5. Naarfin tried to seize the initiative with a sortie out to fight the battle-worn Nords in the south which for some reason didn't work. (Again, Nords have some sort of weird bonus against elves.)
6. With no exit routes left, Naarfin just straight up told everyone to hold it together inside the Imperial city since he was planning something from the daedra to help him (didn't work and the piss poor defense of the Imperial City comprised of several battlereeves and mages with centuries of experience being thrown into the grinder to stall time.)
All this to say that the Empire just willingly gave in to their demands anyways when they negotiated peace (Nords didn't like that).
Stormcloak chads rise up, Elisif is not my queen
So, was he a 9th god or not?
I do enjoy it but I also enjoy pointless discussions about the headcanon of a sweaty nerd from the 90's who invented all this.
Stormtards were clueless newfag lorelets all along? Shocking
We are still within living memory of the Troubles, which lasted a really long time. Acting like the Irish are wrong for hating the English is fucking stupid when they've been the victims of English bullshit for hundreds of years, and still are.
won their war
I don't think I'd call fighting a fraction of your enemy's forces to a decade-long standstill in the middle of your lands before managing to get a truce after they've been there fucking your shit up for that whole decade really counts as "winning"
stormcloak enjoyer
he is the king
but he doesn't know he's the king
can't dress himself in the morning
doesn't know math etc
legion fan
he is a baby
screams when he doesnt get the food he wants
gets in a high chair
can't control his bladder etc
Bait? I can't imagine anyone with intelligence siding with the Empire.
Be me
Install mods that allow me to make my own faction
Start cleaning up mines that are full of bandits and hire miners to put the mines back in working order
clean dungeons in the wilderness and hire hunters to gather food for my faction.
Get enough money to hire soldiers (redguard only) and get them decent armor and weapons to start the take over of Skyrim.
Declare war against the Stormcucks.
Take over Dawnstar easily
Immediately fight for Winterhold and claim it.
Stormcucks try to reclaim their lands, but get BTFO by my redguard soldiers.
Stormcucks get so overwhelmed that they send me a letter for a peace offer.
Ulfric and his boyfriend come to Dawnstar to start the negotiations.
Tell them that I want Morthal in exchange for a 15 day truce or they can fuck off and the war continues.
They accept like the nordic cucks they are.
Keep working on the main quest in the meanwhile, but on day 15 start the war again, this time conquering the rest of towns controlled by the Stormcucks, except Riften and Winhelm
Decide to siege Windhelm and get rid of Ulfric once and for all.
A fucking huge battle starts, I use my shouts to call a dragons for air strikes while I try to fight and heal my soldiers.
Finally take over Windhelm, Galmar surrenders, but Ulfric escapes like a bitch to Riften.
Wait a few days to gather my men and raid Riften
Finally catch Ulfric Stormcuck and execute him publicly, he tells me that the sons of Skyrim will avenge him bla bla bla, tell my headsman to chop his head to make him shut up.
Then I did the same with the Empire and became High Kang of Skyrim. Pic related, my toon checking the Map for his next conquest, don't mind the head coming from under the table.
The redditor was, to the surprise of nobody, a fucking retard who didn't understand why a military force may be more normal, helpful and protective in their own homeland than they are in a place that they're invading. He somehow doesn't understand that they're the same entity. The kind of retard who thinks his woman isn't abusive because she sometimes sucks his dick in between setting him on fire.
It's practically a direct transplant, even down to the whole "wanting to unmake reality" if you look deep enough. I've often asked how did Todd get away with that, especially when it's really on the fucking nose with the (Anu)ELics being metaphysically and spiritually opposed to, and declaring themselves the racial enemy of a literal race of Nordic supermen and their descendants who are metaphysically aligned to a god of "forbidden" knowledge, will, and all that who happens to even be associated with a whole outlaw/king dichotomy (Odin)
kek, based nords. they are also the only race in tamriel's history to invent an anti-elf enchantment completely outside the bounds of known mage guild/college of winterhold magic. they found a way to make steel racist. even the dwemer couldn't do that.
i dont even wanna think about the faggot that made such a gay headline
if anything, playing oblivion and morrowind is why i always knew the empire, or whatever tf it was that was masquerading as the empire in shitrim, no longer had the right to rule over the provinces.
if your province is patrolled and terrorized by a foreign elven secret police, thats not the empire youre subject to anymore, thats the dominion
4E empire is literally an aldmeri tributary
I just had this EXACT same conversation in a rebirth thread. All media just has way less Grittyness today and it's the worse for it. Everything has been disneyfied. I hear you.
The White-Gold Concordat is NOT a victory because the Empire just gave the elves all of their demands and got nothing in return. The Second Treaty of Stros M'Kai is absolutely a Redguard victory. They retook the land that the Dominion had captured while the Empire was in charge. The Redguards OBJECTIVELY performed better on their own and accomplished a better defense than they did with the Empire's support. They drove out the Dominion and secured a ceasefire after defending their territory, without having to actually make any concessions on the treaty. It was a brutal, high-cost victory because they lost a lot of soldiers, but it was objectively a victory.
i read that in a bad Arnold impression
This but unironically. Anyone who willingly sided with the Stormcloaks is an actual retard. You're intentionally weakening the Empire to the point that they can't properly enact a counter defense and attack against the Thalmor. There are numerous Imperial characters that directly state that this is the plan all along. Hell, there are even High Elves in the Empire sharing these exact same sympathies and hatred towards the Thalmor. Even if the Stormcloaks took Skyrim, all that would happen is that it'd give the Thalmor all the leverage they needed to invade and literally slaughter everyone with their superior weapons and magic. By siding with the Empire, you're directly allowing an anti Thalmor resistance. Ulfric is literally just a selfish cunt who wants his name to be remembered and that's all. He's too much of a retard and incapable of seeing the bigger picture, and him killing Torygg proves that it's all just about ego to him.
It's literally right there.
"The main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed."
Not mentioned:
Other occupying forces in Cyrodiil, Valenwood, Elsweyr, Alinor
I understand this sentiment but Skyrim did the bigger sin by being shallow as a puddle. Yeah it has more "grit" but only aesthetically, in reality Skyrim is the most sanitized and toothless game in the series.
if it didn't happen 200 years ago, it isn't happening ever. the Dunmer are back to worshipping the Daedra, they would never accept any type of alliance with Altmer, they located about as far from one another as is possible and this is no accident.
Reminder the Septim Empire left Morrowind to die during the Oblivion Crisis and only through Redoran GAWDS did the Dunmer survive as a people.
Have you tried crying about it on a Mongolian Basket weaving forum?
and the FIRST thing that happenes when you enter their city is they cutting another nigga's head TO REMIND YOU OF THAT POINT
and cucks still side with the empire
give the Thalmor all the leverage they needed to invade and literally slaughter everyone with their superior weapons and magic
headcanon. thalmor have never won a military campaign. not once.
No pancaked on a Wednesday.
Nords have some kind of weird mythical bonus against elves
Again, Nords have some sort of weird bonus against elves.
>agreed to be a Thalmor asset
Retard
Skyrimbabies really never played Oblivion before it got demastered? It's not even that old of a game, it came out in the same generation as Skyrim
It's unexplained why they are effective against them. Jurgen himself was so traumatized being defeated by the Mer he thought it was Kyne punishing him or some shit.
That's because they aren't the type to send themselves into battle, they'd rather work from the shadows manipulating politicians and using the armies of others for their own purposes.
Even if it's unwittingly he's still a Thalmor asset.
You are supremely retarded. The Empire is a useless Thalmor puppet state. Hammerfell left, Morrowind left and Black Marsh left, the Summerset Isle, Valenwood and Elswyr are all controlled by the Thalmor. What exactly is the Empire going to do when the Thalmor are the head government of the Empire and can freely send any dissenters to the meat grinder?
You're intentionally weakening the Empire
m8
the empire is over years before shitrim even starts
Why do Stormcloakfags pretend they're some ebin bazed efl-killers and not a bunch of retarded snowmen who got raped so hard their greatest warriors turned into bitchmade pacifists during the last real war they had with elves? Is it part of some wignat we-wuz-vikangs LARP?
im sorry but the thalmor already control the empire, how are you fighting them you are already their slave
Stormcucks malding holy kekarooni
Doesn't stop Solitude or Windhelm from being port cities, it's fine
Nah, since I was always pro-Empire since I actually fucking read the shit I find in the game. Like the correspondences that prove the whole Civil War was a fucking ploy to weaken the Empire by tying up their resources and wasting manpower in Skyrim. Formulated by the Thalmor, using their unwitting puppet Ulfric Turncloak. The guy murdered the High King of Skyrim, who worshiped the ground Ulfric walked on and who would've gladly worked with Ulfric.
But alas, Ulfric Turncloak is a fucking retard and a traitor.
Lel, you know what I mean - that he isn't le ebil retard that wants to trap us all here. The Thalmor think they will achieve "unity" or whatever you would call it akin to the IRL Gnostic idea, but that state would actually just be restarting the cycle (the thing they would accuse Lorkhan of doing).
Lorkhan is the one who actually wants people to achieve "enlightenment" akin to what the Thalmor think they're doing (or maybe they don't - it has a very "Jewish" angle to it that it's not the supposed "unity" as that ""we were "special" ""that's actually more important)
ikr?
isnt that just fucking disgusting?
i guess on one hand, cool, cuz i get to talk about oblivion on Anon Babble without endless stream of faggots
but its mostly just disgusting and pathetic
cant imagine actually buying the horse armor remaster. its beyond the pale
(Nords have some kind of weird mythical bonus against elves).
It's called racism (and being Shor's Chosen People).
But, yeah, the Nords and Redguards displayed that they'll perform feats of superhuman elf-slaying when pushed. So they were very reasonably furious at the Empire when their sacrifices and efforts were rewarded with having their lands and gods sold out to end a war they could have won if the Empire kept fighting. You have to really fuck up to break the loyalty of the Nords of all people.
There are numerous Imperial characters that directly state that this is the plan all along.
And there are numerous Imperial leaders that make it clear they have no intention of starting the war and that they like the Dominion (and doing business with them). The only Imperial with any real authority I can think of that plans to fight the Dominion is Tullius. Just look at all the jack-offs that show up to the party at the Thalmor Embassy.
Beyond that, an important question to ask is
Why couldn't an independent Skyrim fight with the Empire to stop the Thalmor? Why don't the Empire just let Skyrim secede so they're not beholden to having their people murdered by the Thalmor?
And the answer is obvious: The Empire isn't actually interested in unity and long-term planning. They're interested in saving their own skins and getting what money they can out of the few subjects they have left, after all of the others have seceded under their poor leadership. They can't bleed the Nords dry with taxes and bribe their jarls if they secede. Same as how they were willing to sell out the Redguards and destroyed their kinship in the process.
dragon born canonicaly went to cyrondiil and died
with a arrow on the knee
While I do choose the Empire all the time, I leave Helgen with Ralof so I can skullfuck that whore for trying to take my head.
Because unfortunately retards now cite Stormcloaks as being Le MAGA even though Ulfric is literally nothing like Trump in the slightest and the only parallel you can draw is closed borders. Trump doesn't even promote racial supremacy the same way Ulfric does, despite the majority of Nords being nothing more than simple farmers or craftsmen.
People genuinely thinking that Ulfric is a "puppet of the Thalmor" is the only argument needed as for why we should have feudalism.
Anon, Skyrim is popular enough that most people don't know that the V in the title is a roman numeral 5.
they'd rather work from the shadows manipulating politicians and using the armies of others for their own purposes.
you're exactly correct, which is why throwing the thalmor and their imperial puppets out is the correct course of action. all of their influence is leveraged via the empire. their agents disappear from skyrim after a stormcloak victory. they only option they would have would be war with skyrim and then we return to the point of the thalmor losing every military campaign they've participated in trying to take on NORDS of all people (see ) and they'd have to pass through cyrodiil's heavily defended bruma/cloud ruler temple region to even begin to try. they stand no chance.
Thalmor are spooks. They don't necessarily fight as an army but rather with a small force to disrupt local activities.
Nah, you're just a retard with zero understanding of the lore. The Empire has lost every single conflict they've had with the Thalmor. The Thalmor slaughtered the Blades prior to the Great War and the Empire did nothing. The Empire tried to oppose the Thalmor when they took Valenwood and lost. The Empire let the Thalmor take credit for the moons returning in Elswyr and lost the Province. The Empire is beyond worthless and has to reason to exist anymore.
Stormchuds can't resist Dunmer pussy.
ulfric lost to the empire which is why he got caught in the first place, why the fuck would you side with him?
You also forget the fact all of those same people directly state that if it comes down to it they'll fight against the Thalmor with their lives.
Sorry, crossing the border illegally = criminal. Rule is rule dragon chud
No they're not lmao nords love diversity and multiculturalism. they love elves and elven culture. They like to eat elven food.
there are numerous Imperial leaders that make it clear they have no intention of starting the war and that they like the Dominion
Who?
get captured at the same time as Hitler
Yea thats just bad luck it sucks but theres no reason not to assume youre Hitlers buddy
Skyrim's lands are feudal. Gerdur says it straight out, she runs Riverwood, but Balgruuf owns it. It's a bit more laisses faire, being nordic, but still a feudal system.
a boy sides with the stormcloaks because the empire hurt his feelings, and in doing so, dooms the world of man to be enslaved by elves, an end to every human race until they are all eventually warped into the twisted form of a breton by thousands of years of being raped by elves.
a wise man realizes that the empire offers the brightest future for man.
Some Jarls resent the Thalmor. How about you?
Yes, I know what you mean. Most Nords struggle to accept change. Those who fought the Thalmor in the Great War still see an enemy. But that war is over, and a new day has dawned. Besides, the Thalmor reward their friends richly. Anyone who doesn't take advantage of that is a stubborn fool.
Even your precious Jarl Ballin' took Imperial bribes. All the Imperial jarls are corrupt or incompetent.
He also founded the Companions and went on an elf-splattering spree that would make Pelinal proud, as punishment for the Falmer that butchered everyone in Saarthal.
And it all happened because the knife-eared bastards wanted the Eye of Magnus, and KINMUNE/Ayrenn (who was sealed inside it)
Have you compared how the Imperials and the Nords make sweetrolls?
It states he became unreceptive to direct contact after the markath incident, meaning he was previously directly in contact.
Most metaphysically Lorkhanic race
most """people""" can hardly even fucking read tbdesu
its very explicitly stated that ulfric is not under their control. hes just usefully destructive to the imperials, so the elves let him do his thing
you hear some of these tards talking nowadays and they seem to think ulfrics reporting/taking orders from elenwynn, which doesnt even make any fucking sense
High Elves would never rape humans, they are ethno-supremacists. the lowest race they would slum it with are the Bosmer.
Another retarded Empirenigger who did not play the Stormcloak side of the Civil War so has no real clue
Mede Empire did not lift a finger to quell the rebellion before it started. A completely stupid and idiotic move considering how important Skyrim is to the Empire both symbolically and logistically since Skyrim is the biggest recruit province for the Imperial Legion. The Medes weakened themselves through sheer incompetence.
Ulfric and Galmar state numerous times the Thalmor are true enemy to mot just them but to all Man.
During Ulfric's victory speech he states once Skyrim is done recovering he intends to lead Skyrim to fight the Dominion not just on "their shores" but everywhere.
Ulfric challenging Torygg was the best thing that happened to him considering it got him into Sovengarde which is something he likely would not have seen otherwise. Everyone states Ulfric shouted Torygg to pieces but Torygg himself corroborated Ulfric's version of events.
To attack Cyrodiil would absolutely provoke an attack from Skyrim.
Skyrim is basically a natural fortress surrounded by mountains. To get at Skyrim would be sandwhiching the Dominion's army between Skyrim and Cyrodiil.
Approaching Skyrim from the Sea of Ghosts would be a logistical nightmare.
The element of surprise was the Dominion's biggest advantage during The Great War which they no longer have.
Play the game nigger.
Is Pluto the IRL Talos ?
i dont even play dunmer in morrowind desu
where is you D E A D god now?
Siding with the stormcloaks basically proves what a fat retard you are.
Are people only realizing now that 90% of the people that played Skyrim ONLY played Skyrim which means Skyrim's depiction of the Empire is their only frame of reference?
The Thalmor survived until the end of the Fifth Era, according to MK. And their final defeat at the hands of Numidium also spelled the end of the Altmer species.
lost to the dominion, surrenders and gets taken prisoner
lost to the empire, surrenders and gets taken prisoner
tulius attempts to surrender at the end of the stormcloak quest line, ulfric kills him because "the empire I knew would never surrender"
What a cunt.
That's a lot of cope. Stormcloaks seem like the obviously better option until you actually learn what's going on, and realize that they're not only fucking over the Empire, they're also fucking over Skyrim because they're being emotional and shortsighted. The Empire even secretly supported Talos worship until Ulfric ruined things for everyone by being a retard.
>During Ulfric's victory speech he states once Skyrim is done recovering he intends to lead Skyrim to fight the Dominion not just on "their shores" but everywhere.
Lol and he lost a battle against the empire and got caught, there is zero reason to think he could win a war against the dominion when he couldnt even beat tullius
Side with the Stormcloaks as any non-Nord race
Stormcloaks and Nords still treat you like you're subhuman and act like you're a retard for even helping them in the first place
This is a factor that mods are literally incapable of changing. All you're actually doing is making life for non-Nords in Skyrim a hundred times worse. You would think they'd show a little respect, but no. It doesn't matter if you're the Dragonborn and the main reason the Stormcloaks won. If you're a non-Nord, you still get treated as a peasant. So fuck that.
What the fuck is a non-Nord even doing in Skyrim? Let alone a Mer?
tbf we have no idea what he was doing in Cyrodiil, the game never explains it, it really goes to show how barebones Skyrim's story is, it's amazing that there's even this much to talk about in a single thread.
That's a problem across Skyrim as a whole. You still get shit talked by soldiers even if you're a Legate.
Small isolated ethnostate you have to be born into
Conquers via deception and subversion
Ultimate goal is to fulfill the prophecy and cause the apocalypse
Wants to outlaw newer parts of an old religion, the worship of one guy in particular
Is the empire's "greatest ally" against internal threats caused by the Thalmor themselves
Is Todd /ourguy/?
Numerous races have every reason to be in Skyrim. Not to mention Skyrim doesn't "belong to the Nords", they simply slaughtered enough Snow Elves until it did.
until you actually learn what's going on
What's going on?
Which is strange, because Redguards are spiritually Mer
The Empire is a liberal pluralist force and that's unironically a positive culture to spread in Tamriel. Even had a Dunmer Empress once, almost twice.
Holy crap Lois, I'm unmaking reality
rightful falmer clay
I mean there is plenty of lore in the background that makes siding with the stormcloaks flat out retarded. The empire is gearing for another war, they arent sitting back doing fuck all, they have no intention of follow the treaty. Then you got ulfric who cant even beat the imperials to begin with, the only chance the stormcloaks have is with macguffin mc dragonborn on their side.
They did this because there would be literally no reason to even consider NOT siding with the Legion otherwise.
playing the other games makes the pathetic state of the empire in skyrim even more of a clear indication that they've lost the right to rule. morrowind imperial legion subjugated a country ruled by living gods and had uriel septim's protagonist sense and a network of blades to enable the nerevarine prophecy remotely. oblivion imperial legion patrolled the roads to protect citizens in the middle of the apocalypse. skyrim imperial legion afk's in solitude and lets elf scum oppress their citizens; they have no septim blood and a random nord crossing the border that they almost fucking kill with their incompetence has to take up the mantle of draognborn and fix things in their place.
Skyrim babies also think Dunmer and Argonians are weak oppressed minorities and not independent nations with massive armies.
I meant that we should have feudalism in the real world. People who say Ulfric is a Thalmor puppet should be feudal serfs, they shouldn't be allowed to be taught to read and they shouldn't have citizenship, they should be tied to the land and forced to like, break rocks and dig ditches.
When I realized most people are hopeless beyond comprehension I stopped arguing anything of substance, such as politics. Literally the only thing that matters is control over education and media lol.
ulfric is an "asset" while he simply sows chaos and does not start a successful revolution that expels the empire and AD from skyrim
If siding with the Empire is what it takes to make my dear husband happy than I'll slaughter as many Stormfilth as possible to make it that way
implying the stormcucks wouldn't do it to you as well
The answer is fuck both of them.
Would you side with the Thalmor for soft femdom off of Elenwen?
>Ultimate goal is to fulfill the prophecy and cause the apocalypse
Other Anons keep referring to this, what was the war about. I thought it was just typical land and hot bitches stuff.
Morrowind isn't independent, it's in limbo since imperial legions and garrisons left, like Britain.
XIV has this problem in a few places too, you're a legendary hero who gets rudely told to fuck off from the entrance to the admirals quarters, or treated with distrust by the guard by the ul'dah aetherite
He's just put himself on the empires shitlist, killed a legion that was mostly his own countrymen, and Skyrim is still full of undead and dragons razing the place to the ground, he's not gonna do shit but close borders and consolidate power.
morrowind imperial legion subjugated a country ruled by living gods
The empire had their own god too though
i got a question
how are the elves supposed to invade skyrim in the first place?
cuz the only way i see to get an actual army in, without the imperials just letting them in of course, is through the sea of ghosts.
i cant even think of a military situation on tamriel more hopeless than trying to do a naval -> land invasion in the sea of ghosts, directly into a pack of berserk nords who have nowhere left to run
good fucking luck you noodly yellow faggots
You know what's really funny that no one brings up? Is the fact that Ulfric sperging out in Markarth is the EXACT REASON why Talos worship became so heavily outlawed in the first place. This retard is the reason why they began enforcing it to the extent that they are.
I mean there is plenty of lore in the background that makes siding with the stormcloaks flat out retarded
No there isn't. Empirecucks keep saying this but can never actually present any of this lore they keep referring to.
Dunmer don't have all that much atm after losing Vivec and the Nerevarine, getting bombed by Vivec's Rock of Love because some dude wanted his wife soul to not be fed to Clavicus, buried under 50ft of ash because Vivec's rock set off Red Mountain, and invaded by Argonians taking advantage of these events to get payback for Dres sins
Erm, but Ulfric can use the Voice! Even though he never fights on the frontlines himself because he's a coward that would rather sit on his throne.
Another Anon who's brain has been buckbroken by pol.
not during the events of morrowind (the game), they didn't. but the dunmer gods still didn't step out of line or do anything about the imperial troops on their shores. not the three in charge anyway.
why is a rival dictating policy in the empire? the empire is cooked
the only chance the stormcloaks have is with macguffin mc dragonborn on their side.
that's just typical videogame shit, the war could go either way, it's been going on for 20 years. if the empire was going to betray their treaty with the Thalmor, they would have done it by now, instead they are constantly being weakened by infighting caused by cowtowing to the elves. Siding with the Stormcloaks is what you do if you're a man.
I meant that we should have feudalism in the real world.
no thanks, kike
the oppressive foreign empire that we're against increases its oppression when our people seek to liberate themselves
this means that our people should not seek to liberate themselves, and instead collaborate with the foreign empire
The Absolute State of Whiteoids.
I've only watched some lore video on the side on this topic, but apparently the Thalmor want to fuck with the big towers all over Tamriel to go to the holy land or get Aldmeri back or some shit. The White Tower in the imperial city is one such tower.
this is entirely made-up fanon
to rebuild OUR strength
Skyrim's, not the Empire's. The Empire was letting the Thalmor kidnap Talos followers and imprison them in black sites.
nah hes right
people who read that dossier and came out thinking that ulfric was a thalmor spy should not be allowed to vote
nor breathe
Siding with the Stormcloaks is what you do if you're a man.
side with the guy who already lost to the empire at the fucking start of the game
You mean if you're a retard maybe
ive read about this but i just dont buy it being canon anymore. the games barely talk about it at all and it takes too much external theorycrafting to arrive at IMO. it's too esoteric for modern bethesda.
sperging out
all he did was ignore the ban and btfo the local Breton tribals. saying someone who ignored a law is responsible for it being enforced is not something groundbreaking or damning.
Ulfric can't 1v100 a legion, oh well, only the protag can do that. he's still a better leader than Elisif LOL
kirkblade lore has the towers mainting mundus so they elves want to destroy it, so mundus ends and the elves go back to being immortal aedyra or w/e
A Stormcloak victory would doom Skyrim, that's what. Their hearts are in the right place but they don't see the bigger picture.
It has been brought up multiple times in the past.
Also don't forget how Ulfric has no issues with killing and enslaving the original inhabitants of the region, because apparently enslaving his fellow men is all good as long as the slavers support him.
The most retarded part about skyrim's story is that ulfric was saved because he was given time to escape any sane person wouldve shived the tard in the neck the moment they saw who they had. but then we wouldnt have a story so ulfric has to be executed but not before we kill a rando and let the dragonborn almost die no third in line is a good number.
No one expected Ulfric to storm up to the gates of Solitude and murder Torygg like a fucking retard, DESPITE THE FACT that if Ulfric had literally just SPOKE TO TORYGG they could have settled their differences and had an army of combined might against the Thalmor.
Ulfric can't 1v100 a legion
dude got ambushed in his own freaking land. Do not forget he also got caught by the fucking thalmor. He has a history of being a loser.
The bigger picture being allowing the Empire to continue allowing the enemy of existence itself to continue operating freely within Skyrim?
eventually
Bethesda had to have that one imperial captain try to execute the player because they know the Stormcuck cause has ZERO validity and it was the only way to gaslight players into thinking it was a legitimate choice
If the dragonborn doesn't follow the elder scrolls tradition of disappearing from reality the moment the game ends (probably for dedicating his soul to so many daedra while being part of akatosh, the jig is up) maybe the dragons get cleaned up enough within a generation to consider anything but cleanup, then he's got to kiss redguard ass to let them march and army through hammerfell to get to the fight. Empire may object to high rock being cut off from cyrodil so they might start the war right back up to reclaim passage.
A Stormcloak victory would doom Skyrim
How so?
Their hearts are in the right place but they don't see the bigger picture.
Please don't tell me you're one of those retards who suddenly think the Empire is going to grow some balls and rebel. This cope is so pathetic, common and nonsensical.
dude got ambushed in his own freaking land.
his country is split in half, and he was in Cyrodiil going BACK into Skyrim.
He has a history of being a loser.
I know you're doing the Trump meme but he unironically has a history of being a successful warrior and commander.
What the fuck is a non-Breton doing in Skyrim?
his head should have been mounted on the sharp end of an Imperial spear ready to be marched through Skyrim the second he was captured
Do you know what the problem is?
Ulfitc has literally zero aura.
You cannot rule like this
That guy literally helped the person that killed the King he was serving escape, what did you expect them to do, free him?
people who say provably correct things should be feudal serfs
k bud
hopefully hanging Bretons from trees
his country is split in half, and he was in Cyrodiil going BACK into Skyrim.
he was not in cyrodill, this was after he just killed torygg. He was in skyrim at that time.
I know you're doing the Trump meme but he unironically has a history of being a successful warrior and commander.
Succesful? His best feat is against the reachman.
You should not have any rights. You should be gelded and forced to do manual labour.
They are.
5d chess.
Trust the Stormcuck plan, patriot.
General Tullius was the good guy the entire time, but the intro is framed to make him (and the Empire) look like the bad guys, in order to set up a subversion later after you realize how retarded the Stormcloaks are.
The Thalmor are only there are Helgen because they are probably bitching to Tullius, trying to get him to not execute Ulfric immediately, because they want Ulfric to continue destabilizing Skyrim and the Empire.
Tullius was actually about to put the mongrel down and secure peace in Skyrim then and there but Alduin stepped in and fucked everything up.
Even the Nord villagers in Helgen cheer on the death of the Stormcloaks. They truly are just a bunch of short sighted idiots that are playing right into the hands of the Thalmor.
How so?
he's going to give you headcanon about how a faction of elves that's never secured a lasting military victory will somehow invade a land half a continent away and win against elf killing specialists on their home turf.
The player character was literally caught alongside the Stormcloaks, they don't know who you are. You could have been an informant, a spy, a criminal, etc. I don't understand where this supposed inherit bias even comes from. The one who gave the orders despite protest dies anyway. Hadvar is a bro, and I won't let anyone sully his name.
erhm... skyrim is actually an atmoran province
Nords belong on boats so they can GO BACK. Filthy refugees.
Don't go to the food vendor tomorrow :^)
Tulluis points out the entire rebellion was caused by the thalmor in the first place, Ulfric is just doing what they want.
Seeing the empire in deep decay makes me want to support them when they've fallen even further
Huh?
A Stormcloak victory would doom Skyrim, that's what
how?
everyone always says this but how exactly are the elves moving in to crush skyrim? there is no way in but the sea of ghosts
theyre fucked trying to get in
and what exactly makes the empire winning a stronger situation for skyrim? in both cases its a destroyed post-civil-war mess. in both cases, their legions are depleted. and the empire would almost certainly return all their troops back to cyrodiil in the event of an invasion
skyrim actually HAS no choice other than to kick the empire out. if they cant manage that, then they wont even get the chance to fight an elven invasion of skyrim. theyll all be stationed down in bruma, guarding the mountain passes
Yeah that always struck me as odd.
Either kill Ulfric the second you got him, or cart him to the imperial city for a grand Triumph and elaborate execution spectacle. Why transport him to a fuck-all city together with randos just to execute him without trial or fanfare guarded by like 10 people.
20 good breton men could end the civil war in a week
90% of the characters in skyrim have zero aura
There's a massive theatre kid vibe to it all
The Bretons didn't even own or want to own all of Skyrim. They just wanted their Reach back.
I can't take "Skyrim should belong to its native people!" seriously when Ulfric himself led the attack on Markarth and used his thu'um to slaughter the rightful native people of that land because the Nords just really wanted to claim their lands as their own. It's made even worse by the Reachmen being canonically peaceful and fair rulers when they had Markarth who were on their way to being recognized as their own nation.
My favorite is media brainwashes people, except not my media of course though... Fucking yikes!
Hammerfell overthrew the Thalmor, no sign of retaliation until game 6.
elf complains that their asset can't be summary executed
dragon god arrives allowing Ulfric escape the execution
Proof that the Thalmor are in the right.
Based. It's true, thoughbeit. Tullius knew that keeping Ulfric alive is what (((they))) wanted so he could further destabilize the Empire and weaken them from within. Tullius was likely going against direct orders by bringing him to Helgen in the first place just so they could execute him. The only mistake they made is not killing him first. But then again, you had multiple interruptions throughout the execution before Alduin.
Can stormcloak fans stop bringing their real life views into the conversation, we repeatedly get it spelled out how fucking stupid and wrong the stormcloaks are.
he was not in cyrodill
"you were trying to cross the border, right? same as us, and that thief over there"
you were trying to cross the border
same as us
successful?
not only did he btfo bretons, he is a great war veteran. the nords in the great war won against the AD while outnumbered and tired, their victory is what brought the AD to the bargaining table. ultimately it doesn't matter what his K/D ratio is though, he is a better leader than Elisif and has a vision for the future, unlike the Empire.
go read the actual dossier bruh
ulfric isnt an elven double-agent
obviously
Hadvar
was nice to me
Ralof
he's an asshole
Well, I went with Hadvar to kill those Stormcloaks, and now joining them just feels wrong, so I'll go with the Imperials.
What you are doing is thinking logically about the event that unfolded imagining the thought process of the legion, but to the average player, who can't imagine an apple rotating in his head that was enough.
Add to that the fact that you are likely to follow ralof after this, and you are down the stormcuck (controlled opposition) pipeline.
Nobody said he is a double-agent. He is a Thalmor asset.
Retard.
Nah, I was always loyal to the Empire.
b-b-but-
Silence, stormcuck.
Unfortunately secondaries who pretend that Stormcloaks = MAGA make up the brunt of the people arguing in favor of the Stormcloaks and they get really fucking upset when you point out how big of a retard Ulfric is. So people naturally act as though by criticizing the Stormcloaks, you're criticizing their political faction.
Him not being a double agent doesn't make him not a puppet retard
Yes, Ulfric is obviously 100% convinced in his cause, but that's because he's mentally challenged and doesn't realize weakening the empire in a war in the cold mountains is PRECISELY what the elves want.
you know whats the big thing that really did it for me?
tullius fucking candian accent
gtfo
people who think fighting their enemies is controlled opposition are the worst type of bugmen.
I can't take "Skyrim should belong to its native people!" seriously
i see the confusion here; allow me to clear things up. it's
"Skyrim belongs to the NORDS!"
not falmer, not reachniggers, not imperials, and especially not elves. i hope that clears things up.
not only did he btfo bretons, he is a great war veteran. the nords in the great war won against the AD while outnumbered and tired, their victory is what brought the AD to the bargaining table. ultimately it doesn't matter what his K/D ratio is though, he is a better leader than Elisif and has a vision for the future, unlike the Empire.
He literally got captured at the start of the war. He is not a great leader, the fuck are you going on about.
the elves wanted the civil war to keep going so that both sides had to continue expending resources fighting it. the only thing they didn't want was a conclusion. EITHER path fucks their plans. a strong, independent skyrim and an empire that has pulled out and refocused on domestic matters is still a bad outcome for them.
muh great replacement is based when I do it
The snow elves were right to burn your bantu gorilla colonies
*Taps the sign*
the Altmer will take out Skyrim if the Stormcloaks win because Ulfric used the Voice for violence and Kyne let gold-skinned elves BTFO the Nords the last time they did that
simple as
Yea, I never thought he was a double agent, just a useful idiots.
Britian conquered India, who had a population of 225 million, with 70k troops.
Never used any double agents, just a lot of nationalist ulfrics.
because that's based as fuck, now step forward horse thief
Of course he isn't.
He's simply useful to the Thalmor while he breathes, and it would be annoying if he died because the rebellion would die with him. Further proof the rebellion is fake and gay btw, real nigga rebels would be emboldened by a martyr.
t.played Oblivion once lorelet
Just wanted to say this was a really good thread. Much anger and outrage over a fictional universe was had by all!
anyway, he's a pretty good leader. he isn't being pulled in 3 different directions by nobles hanging around his court, his rule isn't being superseded by a foreign general, and he's not woman.
Any army that can push it's opposition all the way to their capital is not one to be taken lightly
Skyrim would be better and the native population would be more magically talented if we replaced the nords with Rieklings
Exactly, Tulius knew of the ambush and wanted to rush the executions so the province was stabilized and the thalmor sent off from skyrim because any reason to enforce the concordat there would be gone.
Just give Tulius a Dynasty on par with the Caesar and Byzantines
They are not, Romans are still Romans at the end of the day, Republic or Empire
Him not being a double agent doesn't make him not a puppet retard
it absolutely does, because they say very clearly that they do not have control over him any more, ever since releasing him from prison
thats not a puppet, nor an asset
thats just an enemy. doubly so if he actually wins, because hes likely the only one whod be retarded enough to try to go on the offense
fighting their enemies
Ah yes, the famous Ulfric invasion of Summerset
Nope, he's fighting fellow humans and trying to destroy the empire that Talos, the god he worships, created instead.
And just to be clear, the empire wasn't cracking down on Talos worship until he made a big fucking deal out of it in the Markarth incident, Ulfric intentionally forced the empire's hand to justify his rebellion
Anon Babble getting mad at each other over fictional video game politics will always be far more preferable than actual politics.
he literally says after he wins that he will take the fight to the Elves next. you are a bug.
Skyrim leaving the empire is basically the end of the empire. Also Oblivion has crazy importance in TES history it essentially shaped everything leading up to Skyrim.
Skyrim for the Goblin-ken!
Why do Empirecucks always do that anyway? The Empire lost Valenwood and did absolutely NOTHING to try and take it back. Yet this retards think an even weaker Empire is going to some standup to the current Thalmor?
We need a Elder Scrolls Bannerlord! See how well this realpolitik works.
He is getting pulled around by the thalmor, again, what the fuck are you going on about. Tuluis points out the thalmor intentionally stirred the pot to start this rebellion that he is leading. He can cope all he wants but all he is doing is helping them. His only successful campaign was against the reach. He is a fucking idiot with delusions of granduer. HE did not get caught in cyrodil by the empire, that was the thalmor who caught him then. When he came back and killed torygg he ran of to windhelm which is where tuluis caught him.
>Hadvar
>was nice to me
just kind of shrugs and goes "Sorry bro :(" when he's helping to execute you without trial.
What an absolutely cucked response. From you and from him.
Proto-Nords are literally the original inhabitants of Skyrim, their Ur-Heimat is the Throat of the World (although to be fair due to standard fuckery that might NOT be the "current" tower - assuming High Hrothgar = TotW)
I can see some obvious ones, like germans picking nord and italians imperial, others however are hilarious, like Turkey and Brazil picking nord
Israel picks Altmer
We know, they know we know, we know they know we know.
Weakening them in a war of attrition. Ulfric suddenly winning and making Skyrim independent is horrendous for the Thalmor. It makes it 1000% more difficult for them to achieve their ultimate goal.
fighting wars in Valenwood
kek
What's next, fighting wars in the Black Marsh?
I'm surprised these weren't imported into Skyrim. My favorite missons. Feels so 70's DND.
the empire unironically died with martin
ocato is regent for a while and then the medes yuck take over and everything continues to fall apart for 2 centuries
Average i didnt play the game bullshit
SHarty fags cant troll
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Ulfric: "This is it for you. Any last words before I send you to Oblivion?"
Tullius: "You realize this is exactly what they wanted."
Galmar: "What who wanted?"
Tullius: "The Thalmor. They stirred up trouble here. Forced us to divert needed resources and throw away good soldiers quelling this rebellion."
Ulfric: "It's a little more than a rebellion, don't you think?"
Galmar: "Heh."
Tullius: "We aren't the bad guys you know."
Ulfric: "Maybe not, but you certainly aren't the good guys."
Tullius: "Perhaps you're right. But then what does that make you?"
Ulfric: "You just said it yourself."
Galmar: "It makes us right."
Tullius: "And if I surrender?"
Ulfric: "The Empire I remember never surrendered."
Galmar: "That Empire is dead. And so are you."
Tullius: "So be it."
Galmar: "Just kill him and let's be done with it already."
Ulfric: "Come, Galmar. Where's your sense of the dramatic moment?"
Galmar: "By the gods! If it's a good ending to some damn story you're after - perhaps the Dragonborn should be the one to do it."
Ulfric: "Good point."
So does Tullius, who would rather not have to fight his fellow humans first
So yes, the person that wants to fight the elves AFTER WEAKENING THE HUMANS is indeed the controlled opposition
you are a bug
You have 3 braincells and live in a favela in brazil
no one wants black marsh
king could have had just NOT accepted the 'duel' if he didnt want to die
I just can't comprehend the non Breton pickers, I am Canadian though.
He is getting pulled around by the thalmor
only in your mind, schizo lmao. literally ESL headcanon, because you can't comprehend what his dossier is saying.
Tuluis points out the thalmor intentionally stirred the pot to start this rebellion that he is leading.
and what does he do to rectify this? does he offer an alliance with Ulfric? does he start a populist revolt in the Empire against the Elves? no, he decides to invade Skyrim. he's a zogbot.
When he came back and killed torygg he ran of to windhelm which is where tuluis caught him.
you were trying to cross the border
same as us
yeah the empire will betray the thalmor in 2 more weeks, trust the plan.
We know, they know we know, we know they know we know.
SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS!!!
Doesn't matter, by TESVI the Redguards have pushed back the Thalmor all the way back to Summerset Isles
There is now a Redguard Emperor, Emperor WeWuzSentinel I
I did a playthrough one time as an Argonian siding with the Stormcloaks and all the Stormcloaks do is shit on you the player constantly and tell you all the time that you don't belong, calling you a lizard, etc.
I've tried extremely hard to find the logic in siding with the group that would literally kill you under any other circumstance and I just can't find it. It hardly helps that canonically Argonians are forced to live outside the walls of Windhelm and on the docks, and that's by direct orders of Ulfric himself. Dark Elves are forced into slums where they get hassled constantly. Even as a Nord I fail to see why anyone would view this as okay treatment to people who literally fled their homeland when it was going scorched earth.
The Stormcloaks were captured at Darkwater Crossing, and while the prison train made its way southwest they picked up (You)r character, coming up from the area around Autumnwatch. Somehow they knew you were crossing "illegally," and know full well you aren't with the Stormcloaks.
The king was an Ulfric fanboy, he would never disappoint his idol by refusing the duel.
Nords have good reasons to hate Elves, and everyone hates the criminal beast races.
thats just an enemy. doubly so if he actually wins, because hes likely the only one whod be retarded enough to try to go on the offense
An imperial victory is the first thing they cite as to be avoided and only at the end they mention that, to avoid a quick stormcloak victory that ends the resource depleting war, the indirect aid TO THE STORMCLOAKS should be carefully managed.
It's obvious the goal is to drag the war on to weaken the empire, which is why they even consider AIDING THE STORMCLOAK as long as it doesn't make them win too hard.
2 more weeks
thats another fun hypothetical to think of
how fast do you think the entire high council will be assassinated for even suggesting such a move?
wanna see some controlled opposition?
how about the guys who literally have a thalmor embassy in their provincial capital, and allow thalmor agents to arrest people anywhere in their own empire?
The empire isnt dead retard, Tiber septim said, The Empire NEEDS TO CHANGE, The Change wont be pretty, but it has to happen.
Nords commit more crimes in Skyrim than any other race by far. The non-Nord races that live in Skyrim are literally just trying to get by and live their lives.
An imperial victory is equally if not more horrendous
The right move would have been TO NOT START A CIVIL WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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does he offer an alliance with Ulfric?
You mean the guy who doesnt want anything to do with the empire? Yeah what a smart idea, are you retarded?
does he start a populist revolt in the Empire against the Elves?
Yes actually that is what tulius wants to do. I'm beginning to think you stormcloak fans didnt even bother to read.
zogbot
And im going to assume you are one of those dolts think stormclaok = maga, they aren't. Stormcloaks are flat out stupid and the game bashes you over the head about this if you actually bothered to read.
yeah, ulfric will stop killing humans of the empire his god created and start killing elves in just 2 weeks, trust the plan
you talking about wulf in MW?
iirc he also suggests that it might be time for something entirely new
Have you seen how Dunmer treat outsiders? And lizards are treecucks, who gives a shit about them?
nords commit more crimes in skyrim
they constitute the majority of the country so this is not a surprising revelation. the problem is that virtually 100% of khajiits are criminals and 99% of argonians are too.
I wonder why Kazakhstan's favourite race is Bosmer.
UK is Dunmer
yeah, that tracks
Ulfric is a glownigger
Empire died with the destruction of the Amulet of Kings.
The council literally killed the emperor that signed the concordat, did you miss the entire DB plotline? Why do you think they did that? Because they want peace and quiet?
The game starts with Tullius telling Elenwen to fuck off and not touch Ulfric, tensions are high, but the empire can't do anything while they are stuck fighting snowmonkeys because one of them is throwing a fit.
After three games of it, I'm just sick of Empire shit and I just know the Hammerfell game is going to be about them again.
The next game should have just been in Valenwood where you pal around with Bosmer, Centaurs, and Imga and try to solve a rogue Wild Hunt that was called down or something similarly low-to-mid stakes.
No, but he was MKULTRA'd by mer glowniggers.
The Empire built too much goodwill with players, especially with Oblivion being the previous game. There's no way anyone would have sided with the Stormcloaks. But slap-in an execution scene, and things are back to 50-50.
So yeah, apparently it worked. You fell for it.
You mean the guy who doesnt want anything to do with the empire? Yeah what a smart idea, are you retarded?
are YOU retarded? you think the guy who wants to destroy the enemy of the elves is secretly based and going to fight the elves in t-mins 2 weeks? utterly delusional
Yes actually that is what tulius wants to do.
and he would actually have an ally in Ulfric if he intended to. in reality, Tulius is a beaten, broken man with his own private fantasies of rebellion, whilst unironically performing the most pure act of blind obedience.
And im going to assume you are one of those dolts think stormclaok = maga
MAGA is not ethno-supremacist, so no. I guess if you're a pussy anti-racist you see a problem with a nation wanting to keep itself racially united, but I don't, sorry.
I did a playthrough one time as an Argonian siding with the Stormcloaks and all the Stormcloaks do is shit on you the player constantly and tell you all the time that you don't belong, calling you a lizard, etc.
Factually not true.
The only dialogue I remember that's different for being non-Nord in the Stormcloaks is with Galmar at the start of the questline asking why somebody that's not a Nord wants to join.
"You mistake me. I'm not saying no - just wondering about your intentions. We're not looking for sellswords. The Stormcloaks need dedicated men and women who're devoted to the cause and willing to die for it."
HATE EMPIRE
"Can't fault anyone for that! As long as you hate the Empire as much as I do, that I can work with."
MUH HOME
"Fair enough. But are you willing to die for your home?"
Which honestly sounds perfectly respectful (and he also does it to Nords, he just calls you a foreigner instead of your race).
If it happens as frequently as you claim, can you point to some of the dialogue of it happening?
I'm surprised people still care about something that was so Half-baked in the game itself
Outside of the College of Winterhold, it was the most disappointing questline in Skyrim if not all TES games.
Just want to kill elves. Its as simple as that.
"Erm your experience didn't akshually happen"
Okay secondary who played the game a decade ago and forgot.
US, but always pick Imperial
I'm glad for all the argonian fags though, since they ensure neither they not khajiits will ever be axed for "streamlining". I always romance or mod in a romance with khajiits. I want to be a human that fucks cat people.
Exactly, what we see now is a time of transition from Caesar and the western empire's fall into Constantine and the East Empire's Byzantine Empire later.
The thing is, a Constantine needs to appear blessed by the divines to stop the big bad and re-unite nirn or most of tamirel into a new empire.
He thinks the amulet was destroyed
That shit is more resilient than the mantella, and is back at Sancre Tor guarded by ghosts til a true emperor shows up and claims the amulet.
you think the guy who wants to destroy the enemy of the elves is secretly based
I think the guy who figured out the thalmors scheme is alot better then the idiot doing what they want. Thalmor report points out they want the civil war to go on as long as possible to drain their resources. Ulfrics little civil war is their wet dream.
Tulius is a beaten, broken man with his own private fantasies of rebellion, whilst unironically performing the most pure act of blind obedience.
And ulfric lost to him and got caught. How does this paint stormcloaks in a good light?
impfags are all spics and jeets
you can't make this shit up
doing what they want
yeah, the elves want people to raise armies to attack them with LOL
And ulfric lost to him and got caught. How does this paint stormcloaks in a good light?
it's not about K/D ratio retard, Tulius had the choice to join Ulfric and instead blindly obeys his elven masters.
It's quite simple really:
The Empire is indeed trying to gather its strength to bring the fight to the Aldmeri Dominion
The Aldmeri Dominion is not able to recover as quickly as the Empire
Just as Ulfric is useful to the Aldmeri Dominion as long as he is alive and maintains the civil war, so too is the Empire insisting on holding on to Skyrim
Skyrim becoming independent from the Empire does not weaken the Empire in its future war against the Aldmeri Dominion because even in a Stormcloak-ruled Skyrim, they'd be natural allies with the Empire when it's time to fight against the Aldmeri Dominion
Thus, supporting either side in the Skyrim Civil War to victory over the other side is bad for the Thalmor
Now that that's settled, let's dive into other aspects:
If supporting either side towards victory ultimately is a blow to the Thalmor, which side should you support?
The Empire is unwittingly allowing the Thalmor to potentially unmake reality by allowing their agents free reign across its provinces, including Skyrim
The Stormcloaks would not permit Thalmor agents free reign across Skyrim
Thus, you should support the Stormcloaks
It's very simple.
Skyrim is half baked because 50% of the development was to make the game run on the fucking PS3 when Xbox had no problems at all.
Even the WiiU would run this game fine
i like bosmer because they're sentient piles of magical forest goo in the shape of people
Even as a Nord I fail to see why anyone would view this as okay treatment to people who literally fled their homeland when it was going scorched earth.
This tower once served as a meeting place where those brave souls who achieved safe passage to Skyrim would find loved ones, and leave notice for others who could not be found.
Let it stand in honor of those who had the strength and spirit to accept Skyrim's Offer "untithed to any thane or hold, and self-governed, with free worship, with no compensation to Skyrim or the Empire except as writ in the Armistice of old wheresoever those might still apply, and henceforth let no Man or Mer say that the Sons and Daughters of Kyne are without mercy or honor."
We, the Jarls of Skyrim, hereby decree this site as monument to the struggle of those who fled their native home of Morrowind in the time following the Red Year.
In the face of a great calamity 200 years before the game takes place, the Nords of Windhelm went out of their way to take the dark elves in and give them FREE lodging and shelter, while also letting them worship Daedra and the like without prejudice. The Nords had no obligation to do so, especially because the dark elves are their ancestral enemies and the Empire should have been responsible for caring for its subjects. All the same, Windhelm did it out of kindness and mercy for refugees.
It's been 200 years since that happened and the dark elves haven't really changed anything about their situation, but I wouldn't blame that on the people that took them in free of charge in the first place. There shouldn't be anymore refugees and they should have adjusted by now. Do you think the Nords should have given them MORE free shit?
Todd kneels to the power of the cell processor.
yeah, the elves want people to raise armies to attack them with LOL
So far he's only attacking humans, causing him to die in the thousands while the elves laugh from afar.
Possibly forcing politically the Empire to house their military bases in the Jeralls. Which is also just a retarded place to attack and hold from ignoring the risk of Imperial-Nordic relations improving.
breton/altmer enjoyer living in a boslet world
Why do you think they did that?
i dont think they did
and i saw the vid that one guy did. the entire theory is extremely tenuous imo
killing the emperor is the opposite of what youd wanna do if you were trying to turn around and fight another great war
i think the high council is functionally just an aldmeri front by the time of skyrim, and motierre just gets used and ultimately abused in the plot
take my anecdotal experience with no evidence, person that is pulling actual quotes from the game
don't trust your lying eyes
so far he's only attacking humans
the Legions invaded Skyrim, not the other way around. impfags really are pathetic
They're Reachmen, they're subhuman Daedric worshipping tribals.
The actual writing behind the conflict is not bad at all, the issue is that the war quest is shit, but people are not really debating what happens during the war, rather what happened before and what will be the consequences after it.
it's not about K/D ratio retard, Tulius had the choice to join Ulfric and instead blindly obeys his elven masters.
This is a cope, Ulfric lost against both the thalmor and the empire, showing he has no actual chance of winning the civil war or even against the aldmari to begin with.
You can say the same for Morrowind and the Xbox or Oblivion and the 360
Bethesdas just kinda shit at designing interesting mass battles and Skyrim Civil War is no exception
This is always a good litmus test on whether or not someone can detect behind the scenes manipulation or is capable of processing new information.
Ulfric is a puppet of the Aldmeri dominion. This is borne out through multiple lore dumps throughout the game including a dossier found in the Thalmor Embassy
the Dominion props him up purely as a means to splinter and weaken the Empire so they can conquer it
the Empire wants to hold together so it can face the Dominion with a united front instead of the Dominion conquering it one disunited province at a time
there are brainlets that 15 years later STILL fall for the Jew Elf false flagging and side with the Stormcloaks.
Daedra worship is bad!
how very Imperial of you
killing the emperor is the opposite of what youd wanna do if you were trying to turn around and fight another great war
Killing the emperor too cowardly for war presents the opportunity to put a general on the throne and go all in
Possibly forcing politically the Empire to house their military bases in the Jeralls
which is EXACTLY why the empire needs to die first
traitors need to die first or youre just going to be betrayed
again I don't care about your trump-esque character assassination, anything other than open rebellion against the elves is pure cowardice.
trump-esque character assassination
how is pointing out actual events character assassination?
It objectively is evil.
the Legions invaded Skyrim
Anon Skyrim has been under imperial control for a thousand years, and when Ulfric killed Torygg only half the Jarls supported him.
What the fuck do you mean "invaded skyrim", it's their province, since, you know, Talos created the empire?
there still is no real succession law in the empire tho.
it would kick it back to another regency a la ocato at the end of oblivion
You don't need a "succession law" to march an army in the capital city and declare a new emperor
Look at roman history
The thing is a "miracle" avalanche buried the pale pass in tons of snow, thus forcing the empire to depend on local recruitment or shipping manpower from cyrodiil to solitude
Also Jehanna Road from solitude to High rock is also covered in snow and rocks
And the Empire cant send men from Craglorn either since Craglorn is now Orsinium and there are Orcs inhabiting those ancient Nedic ruins now on which the redguards wont set foot on it out of fear.
Skyrim is cut from the empire and even the dominion, and the House Redoran republic is still on neutral terms with the empire and hating the thalmor after discovering they sent the argonians after them and created the an-xileel in first place.
Yes it resulted in a civil war every time it was performed.
HAHAHAHAHHAH
señor , please... you need to comprendeeer. Storm cloaks are racisss
SARRR!!! SARR!! DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH SARRR!!! YOU MUST LET ME IN BLOODY BENCHOD
Makes sense now
Yeah, no
every province that isn't an Imperial satellite worships them
you are making qualifying statements about ulfric's capacity as a military leader when both he and Tulius stage successful sieges/defense of Whiterun, which hinge on the protagonist's backing. they are otherwise equally matched and never beat the other, it is therefore irrelevant to theorycraft how good of military leaders either one is. what matters is their ideology, and Tulius is a zogbot.
don't move the goalpost, the issue you raised was his war against human enemies, those human enemies invaded HIS country. the justification for reinvasion only makes sense if the empire doing it is the same one they swore fealty to, it isn't, so he has no obligation to obey them.
they're bad because.... THEY JUST ARE, OK?! this makes enslaving them ok :)
Compelling argument. You're spiritually a Mer and you deserve the Alessian treatment.
Hi Shartranny
Skyrim belongs to the Nords
Nedic bastard children need not apply. Skyrim belongs to the true sons of Atmora
every time
No, other times it fixed the ongoing civil wars and saved the empire
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The Thalmor and Argonians hate them. Hammerfell too. Only provinces that holds true for is Morrowind and Orsimer
i feel couping the already destabilized empire, right after the emperor is assassinated is maybe the worst thing you could possibly do at that moment
post ears
im starting to get a lil suspicious
hose human enemies invaded HIS country
No, they did not
You can't invade your own country
Ulfric betrayed his country, however.
People like you should not be allowed to have rights. The fact that you are allowed to vote is the greatest argument for why brutal oppression of the masses is an absolute necessity.
ITT: Retarded IMPerial simps prove that they are cucks of the highest order
Skyrim is for the Nords, Talos is King, and you will never be an aedra
They worship Molag Bal and Mehrunes Dagon.
Pooopjet wetback instant set off lmao
now the stormcuck is suddendly very worried about the consequences of weakening the empire
Can't take you seriously, sorry.
it stopped being their country when they broke they failed to fulfill their obligations to them as a master in a master-vassal relationship.
I'm ignoring that entire bit because its stupid because the dragonborn is a literal mcguffin who gets to decide everything and using their actual past. They are not equal at all.
NOOO YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO BE RIGHT ONLY I AM YOU SHOULD BE CENSORED AND PUNISHED FOR EMBARRASSING ME WAHHHHH
Quiet, nigger. Youre a willing Jew Elf puppet.
Ulfric betrayed his country
How? The duel was legal and consensual.
Elsweyr holds Azurah in even higher esteem than Morrowind's Dunmer do
Ulfric betrayed his country by trying to oust a Thalmor Occupied Government aka "the" empire
Whatever you say, elf throating cuck
man i wish we werent on page 10
im death to empire 9000%, but the elves are actually right. talos is not a god. not in the daedric nor aedric sense
You're putting way too much emphasis on the dossier and failing to include that, within that same dossier, they state that Ulfric will no longer prove useful to them. You're also forgetting a few other things, like Ulfric prevailing in the Civil War doesn't actually help the Thalmor achieve their goals either since;
1. Ulfric now has a nation behind him.
2. Ulfric fucking hates the Thalmor.
3. There's nothing stopping Ulfric cooperating with the Empire, he just doesn't want them to RULE his people.
You're also conveniently leaving out that the Empire couldn't stop the Thalmor when it had Skyrim in its ranks the first time, what makes you think they would be successful a second time? If anything the narratives of Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim have all been pointing at how the Empire is too old, too bloated, too corrupt and that something new needs to take its place. Shit, even Talos says this. The Meade dynasty aren't going to lead the Empire into a new Golden Age but, someone like Ulfric might be able to do so. Please note, I'm not saying Ulfric will be the one to do that, but rather someone like him who is willing to shake things up and has an actual passion for his people and their culture within them.
Talos didn't think Skyrim was for the nords, clearly, since he put it into the empire.
They are not equal at all.
ok but they are. neither wins if you don't intervene.
he like, used scary magic bro, a nord would never
He's a puppet agent of the Aldmeri Dominion. Not hyperbole, not supposition or conjecture. Its literally spelled out in game. He probably killed Torygg on Dominion orders.
(((stormcloack))) supporter can't call Talos a God and suggests that no Man can ascend to Godhood
I wonder who is behind this post
not in the daedric nor aedric sense
No, because he went EVEN FURTHER BEYOND
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
But is a Thalmor puppet state.
alright, see you in the next thread
he achieved CHIM, something higher than Divinity.
they state that Ulfric will no longer prove useful to them
No, they state the is uncooperative
In that same dossier they consider the possibility of indirectly AIDING THE STORMCLOAKS, just not too much to avoid a quick end of the war.
READ
THE
FUCKING
THING
The Septum dynasty respected the Nords, the Medes are elf cucks and probably daedra worshippers too
You fags lost to apemoot
He probably killed Torygg on Dominion orders.
No he didn't, the dossier spells out that the AD find the turmoil convenient, they didn't instigate it or want Ulfric to win.
Talos is the God King of all creation, Akatosh can suck a dick
no shit, arent you pro-imperial?
the stormcloaks obviously arent going to concern themselves with the empire after the civil war is over. theyre gonna go fight the elves. no ones going to sack the city or install themselves as emperor. theyll just be skyrim
the empire winning is the only scenario where what you were talking about with the assassination subplot even comes into play
ESLs don't understand that military and intelligence assets are not necessarily allies. You have to be white or something close to really have a grasp of higher order politics.
10 years later and people STILL don't know how to read
Ulfric is not secretly working for the Thalmor, Imperial cuckold. Your vassal state is, however
both right, but its way more complicated once you bring in daggerfall
What will the story of TES 6 be?
basically talos is the thing that should not be
the dead god resurrected
theyre gonna go fight the elves
Oh yes, I'm sure after the bloody civil war that halves their country's population they are going to jump on a boat and go to summerset.
the empire winning is the only scenario where what you were talking about with the assassination subplot even comes into play
Not really, the coup against the medes is inevitable no matter who wins, what comes after and who gets put on the throne is what actually changes depending on the war
thalmor and the broken empire are the only plot throughline so it will probably resolve that and maybe end in the empire becoming legitimate again somehow.
the thalmor are defeated 100 years prior to the events of the game and the empire returns to normalcy
I was writing a big post about how the AD had successfully destroyed the Empire, and reality itself was unraveling because the Adamantine Tower is the only remaining pillar, and the main story is about preventing the Thalmor from destroy it as well and finally unmaking reality. But then I realized that wouldn't fly because the wider world needs to be in a relative state of normalcy for people who want to just ignore the main story and do chill sidequesting.
yea it's not that type of franchise + none of that greater kirkbride tower unmaking the world stuff is ever going to play out in the games. maybe as a vision in a mage guild quest or something but never as a primary plot device.
The Dunmer are also the reason the Argonians are forced outside the walls because otherwise they'll have an enormous chimpout that there is a lizard visible while they complain about their free housing that is literally torture because it's not plated in gold or something. Nords and Dunmer are legitimate racial enemies and yet the Nords go out of their way to help them. The Nords are actually morally wrong for the level of compassion they showed them and should tell them to eat shit at this point.
That would be lame, they should exist for at least another game
nords are really sooper dooper pissed and they have a dragonborn
yes. they are going to kill elves. as is tradition. sooner than later.
elves dont reproduce as fast as nords. not even close. thats a big deal. nords biggest advantage over elves is that they can continue to attack constantly and just burn through bodies. go ask the dunmer
the coup against the medes is inevitable
definitely
i hope they bring back the OG skyrim plot where the last of the septim line returns from akavir... changed
Read my fucking post, but this time with a reading comprehension above that of a fucking child, retard. An uncooperative asset is no use to the Thalmor, and the Stormcloaks can (and SHOULD if you have any understanding of narratives spanning multiple works) END the WAR.
Do you really think it's mere happenstance that every mainline entry since Daggerfall has had something in it about the Empire ending?
Wulf in Morrowind, the death of Uriel in Oblivion and the destruction of the Amulet of Kings/the Amulet and a dragon-blooded Emperor no longer being necessary, as well as a Civil fucking War in Skyrim over how ineffective the Empire is.
It's utterly baffling to me that this is even a point of argument when it's so blindingly obvious that the Empire as we knew it is finished.
The Thalmor making magical replicants of people, and the Brotherhood of Mithril trying to stop them
They also gifted Morrowind Solstheim. Given it's one of the most sacred Islands for Nords that's a pretty big gift.
NIGzards don't belong in my city
I just talked to ChatGPT about esoteric TES lore and it's actually pretty damn good at reading sources and retelling it accurately. I'll report back with any AI insights soon.
argonians belong outside of my province
nords are really sooper dooper pissed
Yes, and half of them are volunteering under Tullius
It's not "imperials vs nords" it's "empire vs stormcloaks" something stormcloaks supporters seem to forget. Tullius is mostly using local troops, his second in command is Rikke, a Nord who believes in sovngarde and all that.
elves dont reproduce as fast as nords
Which is exactly why the empire was waiting to start a second great war. They had 20 years to build a new generation of soldiers just to get bogged down in fucking northern mountains thanks to a manchild braindead retard who larps as an ancient nord while worshipping imperial gods.
tradition
The Thalmor are going to catch the Dragonborn's shouts out of the air with their bare hands and then kill his bitchass?
Because that's how Nordic Shouters traditionally handled fighting elves.
Grok says elves are fags
(s)Imperial cucks are Imperial cucks regardless of race and the Greybeards are retards too
An uncooperative asset is no use to the Thalmor
THEY
CONSIDER
AIDING
THE
STORMCLOAKS
The idea that uncooperative means useless is something you have arbitrarily decided but that the game CONTRADDICTS.
Do you really think it's mere happenstance that every mainline entry since Daggerfall has had something in it about the Empire ending?
No, it's obviously a bad, cataclysmic event that should be fought against, not in favour of.
most people in Skyrim seem fairly ambivalent to the war and just want it to end. remember, 100% of the stormcloak rebellion are volunteers, that can't be said about the Legions. if half or less of the population can unite and successfully force a stalemate with the Empire, they are not something to scoff at.
Lolololol cope harder imperial, you're in an occupied government
They ARE aiding the Empire
They are CONSIDERING aiding the Stormcloaks
Anon be like:
THIS PROVES ULFRIC IS A THALMOR ASSET!!!!!!!!!1111
i just dont think the empire has a way to come out from under thalmor
like i said, i believe that the high council is under aldmeri control
thats my assumption tho, so we wont know till todd slops out the next entry
now with even less!
while worshipping imperial gods
oh dont get me started
Which is exactly why the empire was waiting to start a second great war.
They utterly crushed the Thalmor in the first only suing for peace so that the Emperor could keep his Throne due to internal politics.
He's MORE a God than any of the others
THEY
CONSIDER
AIDING
THE
STORMCLOAKS
Which can ultimately result in the war ending, against their wishes, quicker than they'd like.
No, it's obviously a bad, cataclysmic event that should be fought against, not in favour of.
Look how that has turned out. Shit, dude, you don't fucking live there.
THEY
CONSIDER
AIDING
THE
STORMCLOAKS
The Americans aided the Khmer Rogue so they'd kill more Vietnamese.
everyone who is pro-Stormcloak in this thread is a retarded racist going on about Jews
everyone who is pro-Empire in this thread is posting actual lore from the games
really says a lot
yea thats actually the part that poses significant threat to mundus itself. since its actually his realm and he has domain over it
THIS PROVES ULFRIC IS A THALMOR ASSET!!!!!!!!!1111
No, I said it proves it's not "useless" to them, meaning your claim is retarded
They ARE aiding the Empire
Yes, like when Elenwen at the game is trying to get Ulfric saved from the execution, truly helping tullius out there. Thanks Elenwen.
And when they intentionally raise tensions in Markarth by placing their men there so the silver bloods get angry and consider rebelling
Another helpful occurence, they sure do love aiding the empire in winning the war!
You forgot to link the thread you're reading because it's not this one.
i cant read
i bet
there were quite a few of you ITT
Which can ultimately result in the war ending, against their wishes, quicker than they'd like
Yes, we agree that no matter what they want to keep the war going so more men die.
Which immediately should make you think that starting the war was a retarded move in the first place, doesn't it?
I mean you just explained it, the Thalmor just want to prolong the war.
What does altmer pusy taste like haha
ur mothers milk finger