The Real Reason Morrowind Won't Be Remastered

Most of the wiki page dialog stuff is not unique character to character. Just differentiate that stuff and leave it text only, voice everything else.

a lot of mods are incompatible with the remaster. you cannot maxframelatency 1 in this ue5 port. this is a huge fucking game changing change. if you dont understand ur a retarded PC noob

How does Vincente’s hair being bugged prove they didn’t play the original? Oblivion Remastered is much less buggy than any Bethesda game has ever been at launch

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If you actually played morrowind you'd know that npcs share most of their conversations with other npcs of the same factions / race, location. So it looks like a lot to someone who hasn't actually played morrowind, but in reality your average npc won't have more than 1 line that other npcs have unless they are in a quest state.

it's still creation under the hood

Oblivion (2006) uses Gamebryo, young zoom.

Yeah true. But even still I think it would be a lot of work with just unique dialogue.
And having a bunch of "old style" dialogue still around would confuse and anger the modern gamer. I can just imagine some brain dead streamer being confused and wondering if they need to read everything. It's bad PR

They can have an AI voice all those lines. Literally zero problem.

streamers love when they get to read out shit, because they know the parasocial fanbase is there to hear their voice

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Try to keep up folks. Jesus.

Is that even really dialogue? It's infodumps that you request when looking for people. If you can't figure out how to find someone in a place that isn't Vivec then you probably have actual brain damage.

m-muh voice actors

Don't matter. No one but voice actors cares about muh AI, and they're not really people.

Once companies realize there is zero benefit to working with real voice actors they will be all shipped off to El Salvador and ground up into food for slave laborers or something.

just us AI bro!

just slap on some UE5 assets bro!

Is this really the slop that people play nowadays?

not everyone is ruled by spite toward people on the internet that bother them so they don't actually like literally everything being replaced with ai trash, shocking I know

Yeah, but there is plenty of unique quest dialogue which far exceeds anything that is present in modern Bethesda slop. I picked a bad pic for the thread, I admit

No one but voice actors

Yeah but corporate fags are retarded and easily confused

not everyone

Doesn't matter. It comes down to money, and voice actors cost money.

You can cry about it, but you're losing your job.

Yeah but corporate fags are retarded and easily confused

They just shift it off to a subcontracted company so Bethesda doesn't have to take the heat. Corporate fags understand money.

It's because of fast travel. The DD2 backlash shows that you can't have an open world with no fast travel in current year, yet the world of Morrowind is so small that fast travel would make the game really short.

Is this even dialogue?
You always have only one answer option and NPCs only talk about quests
You can't ask them about anything
It's just glorified cutscene

It's not the combat. The combat is fine.

Lol.

Nah, that's bullshit. There are loads of forms of fast travel in Morrowind, and literally every time it is discussed online people mention they like the travel system.

m-muh modern audience

Doesn't exist.

What's sad is that Morrowind actually has an ingenious fast travel system.
Specifically, there are certain spells that teleport you to the nearest shrine or a certain religion, so it's fun planning things out. (ie I can do this dungeon, then use my Amulet of Whatever to teleport to that city to finish a quest, OR run to a nearby coastal village to take a boat down south for some other shit)
It's good.

There isn't a single scenario that exists where a Morrowind remake wouldn't be a complete botched mess. There are too many systems in the game that filter out retards and if you change any of those it may as well just be a different game. Remakes are complete cancer anyway.

Or just fly through the air with your caster gigachad. Oh you went melee? Well sucks to be you lmao.

zoomers can learn to read

and they do need to change the combat; make every hit count, but if you'd miss normally, you do little damage, and solid hits do high damage.

Oh you went melee?

kek I did. Red Guard.
But I've seen the YouTube videos with those boots

make every hit count

This already happens if you don't spec like a retard.

and they do need to change the combat

yeah this is an easy fix. Or just better telegraph hits and misses to the player.
But I always see people saying "muh combat" when the Morrowind remaster topic comes up.
Certainly the dialogue system is a bigger problem.

It's funny to me how Oblivion remaster literally mindbroke morrowind fans. Since the release and the consensus being people loving Oblivion, and everyone talking about the game everywhere, it broke their fantasy of 'nobody likes oblivion because it's the worst of both worlds' (from Skyrim and MW).
They have been spamming these cope threads "OBLIVION IS SHIT, PLEASE SAAAR PLAY MORROWIND INSTEAD!" and spamming the "LOOK GUYS LOOK! NEW TR MOD RELEASE! WOULD YOU NOT LIKE TO PLAY IT?!" like in the most cringy PLEASE SENPAI NOTICE ME way

if any company was going to start using AI in that manner, I actually think it would be Bethesda. they were already experimenting with AI with the radiant system since Oblivion, and procedural generation in Starfield. it's right up their alley.
I think the chances are pretty low, but I could honestly see them using AI in a Morrowind remaster specifically as a way to test that technology and gauge people's reaction to it. as a remake, it would be a relatively low stakes title to try it. and if it works out and people react okay to it, then they could go full tilt with it for their next big title.

Combat is the least important part of morrowind
You spend more time looking for what you want and reading dialogue

TR threads have been reaching the bump limit for the last few days with most of the discussion on topic
Oblivion threads have only bait and butthurt threads, no one discusses it seriously

Morrowind fans just want Bethesda fans (remake slop eaters) to stay away from Morrowind.

worst of both worlds

I've never heard this.
I think it's a clear decrease of quality from Morrowind>Oblivion>Skyrim.
And Skyrim is the ultimate loser IMHO.
Morrowind fills the autistic niche, and Oblivion fills the casual comfy niche. I play both depending on my mood. Skyrim is entirely redundant.

I'm a morrowind fan and I don't care. Remaking the game won't change the original.

b-but then people will like the game

I don't care. Morrowind isn't some exclusive thing, literally everyone played it when it released. Fucking retard.

the writing is always the reason todd will always hate morrowind and refuse to acknowledge it. same as new vegas. i don't care enough to research it, but it seems like the writers/devs of morrowind made new vegas as well. or at least were so much better than todd that it enraged him endlessly.

I'm a morrowind fan

Wow I believe you. You're totally right!

there's a pretty good reason to hate the fact a "remaster" would generate fans that wouldn't like the original at all, as it would remove enjoyable aspects of the original and replace it with [modern gaymer bullshit]

Holy fuck you're retarded. Morrowind is Todd's game. He went on record saying it is his favorite Bethesda game.

New Vegas wasn't even made by Bethesda. Retard.

Remakes only exist to remove the original game from existence.

did the "remaster" complete all the shit they abandoned and make it into everything bethesda said it would be at launch, or is it all just the same jank bullshit as "I SAW A MUDCRAB THE OTHER DAY, GOODBYE"

okay todd

but they are working on a remaster (skywind) tho?
youtu.be/YJkeWN3_fbA?t=1092

redwave now levels correctly, 8 damage at level 1

I know. I participate on those. They are the kind of thread that gets bumped by literally 10 guys talking to each other for 2 days straight. Those are ironically the only good threads because there's actual autistic lore nerds discussing the game with passion instead of being busy shitting on the other games from the series and thinking they are special and smart for liking MW more.
I don't even dislike morrowind is just that its fanbase is something else when it comes to being bitter and pretentious

Good.

other people will like it!

Why should I care?

they won't like the original!

Why should I care?

they'll change it

Why should I care? They can't change the original. I don't care what they do to some rerelease. The only reason people pretend to care is they think they're gatekeeping one of the most popular RPGs ever made. In other words, they're retards.
If todd shows up to steal my hard drive I'll force him at gunpoint to apologize for making Cyrodiil generic western fantasy. He wouldn't dare, so until then the original isn't going away. I don't care.

my hard drive

But one day you will die. And your children will throw that old e waste out.
But you can take solace in that one day too, these remakes will die, and all become as cold as ash.

My children

hah

right my bad.
Allow me to offer this correctjon:
Your relatives or probably the cleaning service your land lord hires.

vote with your wallet!!

okay i won't buy games targeted at people who don't like videogames

okay we will "REMASTER" time honored classics for people who don't liked videogames!

people who don't like videogames:

OMIGERD I EFFEN LUB [time honored classic] NOW DA ETZ FOR PPLS LIKE MEEEEEEE

videogames continue to be targeted at people who don't like videogames

My relatives

Hopefully they all die before me, one of the few things I still fear in life is that my mom finds out about my sexdoll harem

landlord

I own my house

And how does that effect me? Morrowind still exists, is still being expanded on.

Bethesda will NEVER make a good game ever again. I don't care what they do.

You can still buy the original Oblivion on Steam. Compare that to Warcraft 3 Reforged, which literally erased and overrode the original from battlenet.

Modern Bethesda cannot be trusted to do Morrowind justice. They will go out of their way to maliciously shit it all up.

using AI in a Morrowind remaster specifically as a way to test that technology and gauge people's reaction to it

hmm, I had not considered this angle. Have my updoot.
But my gut is still telling me they would try to avoid that heat

Morrowind fills the autistic niche, and Oblivion fills the casual comfy niche. I play both depending on my mood. Skyrim is entirely redundant

this 100%. I love Morrowind and Oblivion for different reasons, but Skyrim does absolutely nothing for me.

sexdoll harem

based

I own my house

cool. maybe the govt will seize your assets and the hardrive will survive in a salt mine

publicly-traded corporations are not woke. publicly-traded corporations have no beliefs, only profit incentives. get it through your thick skull. if microsoft analysts determined tomorrow that they could make more money by painting FUCK NIGGERS on their office buildings, they would do it immediately.

Why would they have to get it voiced? They shipped the Oblivion remaster with the silly dialogue minigame, they'd probably just ship a Morrowind remaster without voicing everything.

These things are cash grabs, sometimes they're also good products like with Oblivion, but they're made with minimum effort. No one should expect a fully voiced Morrowind, at least not without AI generation.

Dude the combat is awful.

remember that Todd kept saying TES VI wasn't being developed because the "technology wasn't there yet". and Starfield was basically a big tech demo for procedural generation. I still don't think a Morrowind remake is likely, but I don't think Bethesda is as adverse to generative AI as people think they might be. it would pretty much allow them to do what they wanted to with Radiant AI back in 2005. I honestly think Todd probably loves AI. will the corporate suits allow him to use it? idk, I guess we'll see.

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Yea I’m glad the remaster made so many people realize Oblivion is the best game in the series, it was being unfairly maligned for too long.

just slap Morrowind into Unreal and call it a day

Yes. The slop must flow. Billions must slurp.

A mount would help to alleviate this but yeah the world is quite small compared to Oblivion/Skyrim, but that's because there's no procedural generation in environments in Morrowind, everything was hand made. Silt Striders were still the best form of travel because it makes sense thematically. The player character being able to press a button on their map and be teleported across the world completely shatters any sense of immersion that these games attempt to create

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kek I hadn't noticed (same anon)

I don't think Bethesda is as adverse to generative AI

I agree. I just think they want to avoid controversy. I could imagine they want to go all in on Elder Scrolls 6, and hoping that is another huge success.
Then a Morrowind remake wouldn't be really necessary. Maybe they could do it years later when using AI isn't a faux pa.

will the corporate suits allow him to use it?

indeed. It's all calculated, planned. I think ESVI will be the real test bed for generative AI. It'll be snuck in all kinds of sneaky places, and not just a wholesale VA replacement like it would be for a Morrowind remake

I think Bethesda is too woke to use AI

They are literally owned by Microsoft, you retard. Microsoft could very easily force them to implement Azure-backed AI into one of their games just to show it off and market their AI to other companies.

nah it's fine. you either never played the game or are too retarded to figure out that big number means more success

because they found a way around (you) voting with your wallet and will continue this trend of having people who don't liked video games making video games for people who don't like videogames.

current year

i wonder how would modern americans react when they discover slave plantations in the game.

Yes, that's right. And there's literally nothing I can do about it. So why worry? I already have the games I like and more of them being made.

So why waste time whining about it? They've spent 20 years making games I don't like at this point. What's the hangup now?

lmao.
I told someone on Reddit that if they remade Morrowind they'd have to remove the racism and he replied, "oblivion has racism"

why should I worry about the fact videogames will NEVER be good again?

well, (you) and I have no reason to, as by 2030 we'll be generating our own videogames in real time from text prompts. but still, five years with nothing but absolute shit is pretty hard.

It's not, you got filtered.

No it's fucking shit

Yeah, way too much reading for the modern audience. Never going to happen.

filtered

they were already experimenting with AI with the radiant system since Oblivion, and procedural generation in Starfield. it's right up their alley.

That's AI, but it's not "AI". Idiots are okay with an algorithm that literally copy and pastes parts of dungeons, but not one that does text to speech in too advanced a way.

Beth could just rebuild the game in the Skyrim engine, or completely in unreal if they wanted, it's not that big of a game. I think OP is right that translating the dialogue into zoomer would be the bigger issue

You definitely got filtered. Pick a better race/birthsign/class combo. Stop running everywhere.

There's no race class combination that stops the combat from being shit

This, literally daggerfall exists. They straight up said that they pride themselves on automation of content creation and the "procedural generation" was a selling point since, probably, the same dagerfall.

Also for the fact that remasters are not technically made by them but outsourced, if there would be any backlash they could sweep it under the guise of "jeets fault". Lastly, they are literally bought by Microsoft and blizzard, aka Activision, and they are the last fucks in the list of "ethical moral practices". It's just the matter of time. Also Todd is on his way out so, bye Bethesda as you know it.

JUST BE A FUCKING BIGGER

Redguard + any class with combat focus and long blade as a major

You're welcome. Now stop being a shitter.

Wow, so you can hit the enemies. And that makes the combat not shit?

The dialogue is infinitely better than the combat. The dialogue looks intimidating but it's actually a pretty accessible and efficient system once you get the hang of it. Most of the text is just the lore wiki embedded into the dialogue box which means you can ask any sensible tourist question at any time: directions, rumors, ingredients, faction intel, etc. It enables some novel quest interactions and is a pretty cool system overall.

I remember when I was playing Fallout 4 in that blind "fuck it I'll do another quest" attitude and I realized that I had NO way of talking to NPCs if it wasn't quest related. Literally there is no dialogue to ask about anything at all, it's bizarre.

I agree with the general sentiment that a Morrowind remaster would only be viable with using AI voice acting, but with how heated retards are about AI, Bethesda would be in bad waters.

It makes it the same as Oblivion or Skyrim.
In fact it makes it better because it means your character choices actually matter.

Oblivion and Skyrims combat shits on Morrowind's.

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you're the fag
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you're the fag

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Simple: AI voice acting. Yeah it'll be shit. It'll probably come with a toggle.

I hope they don't remaster it. Leave it to the oldfags.

Leave it to the oldfags

honestly true
remaster would be elder abuse

doesn't mean anything

It means you're about to get F'ed in the A!!!

no it doesn't

I never actually thought about it until now but asking a person about vegetables and getting a flat list of 20 local specialities is kind of retarded. Thanks OP.

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it is actually using gamebryo
creation wasnt until skyrim

they would very obviously just move all of the autistic encyclopedic knowledge to books, where it belongs, rather than every random fuckshit you meet somehow knowing and reciting all of these details.

Your screenshot doesn't constitute dialogue though, it's just an infodump that is purely optional and selected for by the player. None of it is even important.

every random fuckshit you meet somehow knowing and reciting all of these details

you realize you don't have to ask them about their topics? Right?
Oh wait! You never played the game! Fucking n'wah

Other anons have posted relevant quest dialogue in the thread that demonstrates OPs point. OP also acknowledged that his picture was a poor choice.
Please read the thread before commenting.

I think you're vastly underestimating how much voiced dialogue there actually is in oblivion and onward due to the way they structure the dialogue into smaller more interactive back-and-forths instead of morrowind's one-word queries followed by paragraph infodumps.

one-word queries followed by paragraph infodumps.

Yes, Morrowind's infodumps are redundant.
But there is also a ton of quest dialogue that is super detailed because it didn't all need to be voiced. Like Baldur's Gate 2.

Need a ride? Climb in back and we'll be off.

I'm not really sure what your argument even is. You think they can't re-write it because there's too much of it, but you also argue that you can just skip it because there's too much of it? Then why can't they skip it when they re-write it for voice acting and place all the generic infodumping elsewhere?

skip

Yes, you can skip the wikipedia entries.
Quest dialogue? No. And there is a lot of it.
You'd know this if you played the game.