Can a game dev studio can be considered a "small indie company" if its publisher sources 120 million dollars from China?
Can a game dev studio can be considered a "small indie company" if its publisher sources 120 million dollars from China?
ah so that explains it.
Yes. The dev studio and publisher aren't the same entity. They just have a contract with each other in this instance.
The massive success of Expedition 33 really broke incels
if the money is a loan or something similar then they're still independent, so in that case it'd be yes. if it's from selling shares then less so
The dev studio and publisher aren't the same entity. They just have a contract with each other in this instance.
typically you'd be right, but that says the publisher is co-owned and run by a group of developers.
they are calling 60 people teams "modest", which is completely fucking buckbroken.
All the greatest AAA games ever made before the last 10 years were done with less people than Expedition 33
We live in a world where "AAA" games are made by 8000 people and have Billion Dollar budgets, so yes.
but that says the publisher is co-owned and run by a group of developers.
Kepler interactive is a publisher co-owned by a bunch of studios. But OP is talking about Sandfall Interactive when he says "small indie company". And Sandfall interactive is not one of those studios. It's an entirely separate entity.
2025
We still have to have conversations about """""""""Indie Games"""""""""""" and independent games
Now with chink industry plant crap and chinese damage control shills
All the greatest AAA games ever made before the last 10 years were done with less people than Expedition 33
AAA games made before 2015 had less than 30 people working on them
Maybe if you extend that timeline to 20 years you'd have a point.
oh is that why the shilling is so rampant? its a chinese funded game , like wukong and they are trying to hard to legitimize it?
I still don't know why chinks are allowed to put shit on, and infest the Steam client real people use.
They're supposed to be quarantined in that perfect world shit.
It's fuckin annoying that everytime a studio is successful, CCP tries to buy it or invest
It could be solved by Western companies doing the same thing.
there should be like a sweet baby inc-like steam group that flags games funded by china so people can stop pretending its indie with 120 million and shit
baldurs gate 3 had a bunch of retards calling it a small indie game even though it cost more to make then any nintendo game ever made
Yes anon you figured it out
game is popular and talked about
It's shills
game is unpopular and not talked about
It's a shit game
Pack it up bozos
I prefer chang to modern US and EuROPE faggots. But I agree "indie" may not be the right term for them.
bro stfu there were 23 fucking threads on this board about e33 less than 2 hours ago
its not that popular, its fucking obvious shill campaign, you stupid little fucking piece of shit
its like 3 weeks old too nobody cares that much about this slop
netease/tencent is in every major western game
cry
Here comes the chinese
did you know there is steam china which is operated by tencent instead of valve
Yeah and you faggots should be there instead of desperately trying to get us to approve of your shit.
I know you aren't, but don't you need to keep up appearances as a totally real super power and gaming phenomena?
Hates the worker owned economy model and central labor planning of China
This is why Burger games cost over half a billion to make. Your retard business decisions and blind support for rich suits profiting off labor are a parasitic problem causing artificial issues..
there were 23 fucking threads on this board about e33 less than 2 hours ago
its not that popular, its fucking obvious shill campaign
No you fucking idiot, most of those threads were made by the same (you) addicted spergs who are now making dozens gta6 threads because thats the newest big news. Its not shills, its baiting attention staved losers.
US isn' even 3% of the globe and their purchasing power is in the toilet, especially aftet the fumping of US dollar bonds. You are insignificant in the grand scheme and especially the long term.
This is why Burger games "cost" over half a billion to make.
Actually they cost billions because they're getting defrauded by advertising agencies and unions, bonus, a lot of this shit can be subsidized.
It's pretty popular by every metric my guy. Closing your eyes won't make it go away.
Cool, get off our internet then if you don't need us and our country is worthless.
For as much as Anon Babble complains about chinks investing in shit mind you that western devs ARENT DOING THIS.
And even then part of the reason most would rather accept chink investment is that they atleast allow you to be independent while big companies like Microsoft or Sony will remove your autonomy.
western investment isnt a fucking good deal the majority of the time.
If its publisher
Yes
ere should be like a sweet baby inc-like steam group that flags games funded by china
you must be the change you want to see in your life, you fucking pussy
oh my bad you're right then, weird they wouldn't have let sandfall join
US isn' even 3% of the globe
Holy ESL
If you actually do that you'd end up finding out that like practically all western studios both AAA and indie have SOME sort of Chinese investment. I can guarantee that.
Sandfall is not part of Kepler, retard. They signed a publishing deal. They are owned by noone but themselves.
I swear you zoomies not getting basic shit like this is baffling.
It's not that they didn't let sandfall join.
But most probably Sandfall refused since their moto is "be independent to make the games we want"
Mutts aren't ready to acknowledge their empire has already fallen, mainly because of orange retard tanking everything
It explains why there's so many GTA threads right now. The astroturfing is out of hand
what the fuck are you even talking about you faggot redditor. define the word "incel" for me
Reminder that when GTA6 "Leaked" the administration had already removed the thread creation limit
The same also happened when Wukang and Shartfield came out.
hahahaha laugh at shills
shills called me autistic
hahahahaha shills
i knew you were from that other shilling campaign
shills called me schizo
laugh at shills
30 people isn't big!
It's being made by 60 people!
120 people! They're AAA
240 people! They're basically Rockstar!
Are you just gonna keep inflating the amount? The core dev team is 30 people. The rest of the credits are Koreans who did combat animations and localizers.
was going by what op's article said, it says they offer devs to become co-owners right there so it's a natural assumption
that makes sense then
Yes.
Sandfall is not a part of Kepler, it's their publisher.
You don't understand we HAVE to include every individual orchestra member and the janitor!
yes that's how finance reports work
ALERT, A CHINEESE BUSTER HAS ENTERED THE AREA!
man this whole shitshow just keeps getting better lol
it's their publisher
which fully explains the shill campaign and inorganic reception
IF YOU HAVE A PUBLISHER, IT'S NOT FUCKING INDIE.
god. damn. fucking retards letting marketers twist our language to sell them on bullshit.
game is invested by china
it becomes a success.
based ,so fucking based,it's like getting a touch from Christ and living the next 10 decades healthy.
make game on my own
sign contract with jewblisher
no longer an indie game
woow
China invests in vidya
Vidya becomes a success
Truly kino
baldur gate 3 gets gibs from tencent
it becomes a masterpiece
Expedition 33 gets gibs from netEase
it becomes a masterpiece
Guess what the next successful indie team gonna do?
I genuinely trust China to make better games than Western studios at this point.
KEEP IN MIND: This will not last forever. Chinese games will eventually become slop, but right now they are doing good work. I don't care about the origins of a game as long as it is good. The problem is that the Western gaming scene is so fucked right now with budgets that are inching closer to a billion dollars while the results are not getting any better, only more slopified.
massively undership physical copies to retailers simulate high demand
pay people to spam comments sections, social media, and make metacritic accounts to review bomb the game with 10s
pay two western e-celebs to shill your game because of the price point
put it on sale for $44 immediately
result of all this is just 2 million sales after a week
so now calling it "core dev" we can wave away the other 30 people reported inhouse and all the outsourcing they did to asia?
even 30 people just to "core dev" is fucking insanely high.
herro can i getta small loan of one twenny
simply because the only other alternative are jews who will use it for social engineering. Chinese investor's main strength is that they are at least not jewish.
lol haha
just like Larian
we can wave away the other 30 people reported inhouse
Who?
and all the outsourcing they did to asia?
The eight Koreans who did combat animations? More Poles worked on it as outsource contractors than them through QLOC who do playtesting.
i am just a small humble indie studio of 60 people plus outsourced companies and 120 million dollar budget from corporate investors.
Why is this so hard to get?
Didn't netease cut all their japanese devs loose earlier this year? Would also explain why so much of this game's following is anti-Japanese if it's being driven by the publisher's influence
just orchestrate the soundtrack yourself chud
How DARE the chinks invest in good games when they could be funding turbopozzed trash like the americans with veilguard
You are already proven a schizo in this very thread, retardo
Publisher =/= Developper
Huh, didn't realize they had that kind of capital. So it's just a new AAA studio, not an indie company. It all makes sense now.
Some knowledgeable schizopost please give in your opinion, will this derangement reach BG3 levels?
derangement
If you mean "can we walk back Anon Babble noticing that we're being paid by a china-backed publisher to shill this game" then no
no thanks i don't need any viagra im already hard
based China
I can't believe the CCP demanded the Sifu football game be made.
I'm looking forward to the shilling effort for that one too
I wish I could get paid for discussing games I like.
Meanwhile you seethe about games you don't play for free.
nah, that's explained by you being a jaded faggot who stopped enjoying video games years ago