None of this shit makes any fucking sense MASSIVE SPOILERS

So it doesn't actually make sense then, it's all just 'stop asking questions'

got it

Painted things aren't invincible, only real world people brought into the painting. so Verso as a kid must have brought his toys (Monaco and Esquie) into the painting with him and now they are stuck there invincible.

But where are they at while in the painting? They are in the painting, but where are the real world equivalents at when in the painting?

Again, none of this really makes sense. Mostly because it's all just made up on the spot nonsense.

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How the fuck are you falling for a bait this obvious?

its impressive but if you genuinely played this game to the end you are actually the most illiterate person I've ever seen post on this website, congratulations

I'm a paintress now, I can save sciel and lune

oh whoopsie daisy, looks like that's all my chroma, conveniently just enough for those two and not for gustave

no, all that other chroma we got from thousands of enemies and huge ass axons and shit, no that won't work for some reason XD

this game is a walking plot hole

as a general concept, the story is fine. The father and mother dealt with grief of losing two children and one scarred, and they turn to painting to cope and re-experience those memories by creating them in this fictional world. The mother becomes absorbed in the painting at the expense of the real world, Renoir wants to stop the madness before both she and Alicia (real-world variant) are consumed and lost in the real world too. Verso wants to sacrifice himself to save his sister because that's why he died in the first place, he recognizes this world as fake. Maelle wants to save the painted world, because even though it's fake, there are real emotions and connections here that she feels much stronger than the real world, and she doesn't want all that to go to waste.

The issue is when you start going deeper into the specifics and you realize everything is just handwaved bullshit.

I completed act 2, maelle's side story, and almost all camp interactions, but not the final battle.

I am not stupid or illiterate, my IQ is around 125-130 tested, I just prefer more grounded stories with consistent logic.

lol you must have fallen for the shills, paid for this game, then forced yourself to play it. I /uninstalled within the first half hours because i am completely allergic to moviegames

I read the first thing and its clearly stated multiple times in the game so im not reading any further. You are actually retarded

Who the fuck painted Verso?

Aline

Why does the painted version of Maelle have a scarred face while the real version have a normal face?

Aline blames Alicia so she wanted to torture her in painting too

Do they just cease to exist in that moment or do they go somewhere?

Most likely

How does time work in the painted world?

Years passes in irl hours appearently

Why are certain people immortal (or seem to be)?

Aline painted them to be immortal, Clea says that herself

Who are Esquie and Monoco?

Real Verso painted them when he was a child

Why is it said that the Paintress is trying to "save" people by gommaging them?

She harvests them for their chroma I guess?

I still don't understand how Gustavo dying benefits him

He wanted to fuck Sciel and Lune

because the real one actually wants to destroy the Paintress and stop the painting, while the fake one serves the Paintress

Aline painted them yes

Is it because there is a limited number of chroma, so you have to gommage some people or else run out of chroma, and this is the best system she could find or what?

Most likely

Also what triggers the gomage after the Paintress dies? Obviously she was the one who painted them, but why does that trigger this extremely delayed gommage all the way after they travel back to Lumiere?

Was this Renoir's doing or was it because she painted all of them and now she is dead? How do the specifics of the gommage actually work? Who is triggering it? Do they just think really hard about erasing those people? Again, makes zero fucking sense.

am not stupid or illiterate,

Did you walk away during every cutscene? The game has completely consistent logic and is increbily simple when you take 5 minutes to think about it. Stick to capeshit i guess because this is an entry level "art" story

People are getting too hung up on "real world." Alicia and are her family are demigods as far as we're concerned, and the powers they possess are completely alien to anything to what you and I know in the real world. It's like wondering how God could randomly flood the planet, give Moses magic powers to split the sea, send down his flesh in the form of his son, etc. Because the divide between humans and the Christian God is as vast a divide between the painted and the painters; and the painters have equally powerful foes. A grieving mother who helms the painters has lost her son, and in her grief has cast herself into a world where living beings of her own creation live and die, and one of them is a mirror of her child, granted immortality against his wish due to her misguided love. The other God, her husband, tries to pull her out of this alternate reality she has created, and because her power is finite she can only fend off his attacks for so long. He attacks with the gommage and she uses her waning powers to protect those which have not yet lived a full life. The countdown signals her loss of power, which the beings she has created mistake for a threat; she is trying to grant them life for as long as she possibly can before she expires. When the third God enters the reality, it is overcome by its mothers power, and reborn a painting with amnesia in the form of Maelle. There are therefore multiple high level deities operating at different stations within a shared, created universe vying for power in an ongoing battle of misguided familial love. Expedition 33 only gets as far as it does because one of the three gods incarnate unknowingly joins the party and the favored painting, the son, recognizes the God. It is essentially a story of Judas deceiving the twelve apostles while also trying to kill God so that Earth can finally be destroyed and so that both he and Jesus can be at peace. But then Jesus says fuck that, I'm gonna save humanity.

Who cares

Found this on Youtube
This family has the supernatural ability to create worlds within paintings, with the father Renoir, mother Aline, eldest son Verso, second daughter Clea, and youngest Alicia. Lumiere is the world inside a painting that Verso created before he died. After his death, the world could no longer be sustained, but Aline, out of love for her son, entered the painting to try to preserve what remained of Verso, even though his world was inevitably doomed (represented by the countdown clock Monolith). Living inside the painting causes the real body to lose consciousness. Renoir, not wanting his wife to live there forever, entered the painting to destroy it. Clea asked her sister Alicia to help their father, but once Alicia entered, the magic of the painted world split her into two versions: Maelle (the in-painting version) and Alicia (the memory-based version from the real world). After Paintress is defeated and the two versions merge, Alicia, instead of helping her father destroy the painting and bring their mother back, chooses to remain in the painting where she can have a whole body again and be with Verso and their friends. At that point, it is Verso himself who wants to destroy his painting to free his mother and sister from the past and allow himself to move on. The game’s story is about the pain of losing loved ones, but also a message: do not live forever in the past, because doing so is its own kind of slow death—just like Paintress/Aline and Alicia, who tried to preserve Verso’s painted world.

Aline blames Alicia so she wanted to torture her in painting too

How is she painting the real world version? If she wanted to torture her, then why can she talk when she can't talk in real life?

Aline painted them to be immortal, Clea says that herself

So you just think in your head "this person will person will be immortal and immune to gommage" when you paint them? I mean that's fucking stupid, but par for the course with this game.

Real Verso painted them when he was a child

And so he deliberately painted them to be invincible too?

He wanted to fuck Sciel and Lune

Why? When they have the same goal? That would just hurt their chances of success. And if he did want to fuck them over, why didn't he just outright work with Painted Renoir to kill them?

>Why is it said that the Paintress is trying to "save" people by gommaging them?

She harvests them for their chroma I guess?

She doesnt gommage them. Thats all Renoir. She uses all her power to save who she can but loses power every year and lets people know by writing the number down of when they will gommage.
This is explicity stated when maelle finally awakens

And so he deliberately painted them to be invincible too?

Only humans are effected by gommage, nevrons and gestrals etc. are immune to it, that's why Monoco was alive

So the father is the one gommaging them, but simultaneously the mother (paintress) is able to influence exactly who he gommages..? In order to make is amicable as possible? All while refusing to communicate in any way that she is on their side so they don't try to kill her?

Again, makes zero sense.

How is she painting the real world version? If she wanted to torture her, then why can she talk when she can't talk in real life?

Did you not do the scene with maelle in the real world with clea?
Alicia is a painter too and painted herself being able to speak. Clea says "paint yourself some vocal cords"
She got stuck in a bubble of chroma and it reshaped her. But maelle is REAL and cant be painted over like the made up versions

But why? Chroma is the resource, and it's found on both nevrons, axons, and humans alike.

Why not gommage the axons? These literal giant stockpiles of chroma that don't even do anything?

No, I've completed act 2, done maelle's quest with alicia, and a few other things.

then why can she talk when she can't talk in real life?

Did you skip every cutscene or are you just retarded. Alicia is also a painter. She painted her throat so that she could speak within the painting, at Clea's suggestion.

why didn't he just outright work with Painted Renoir to kill them?

He was still with maelle until the very end when he saw she was lying about not getting lost in the painting, once renoir opened that portal to Verso's soul he decided to hop in and save his sister / gommage the entire world. You really didn't pay attention at all

maelle is REAL and cant be painted over

She painted (over) her throat so she could speak within the painting

you shills can't even keep your answers straight L O L

is that act 3? I have finished act 2 but not act 3.

I just assumed it's just one bossfight until end of game, so I wanted answers because I wanted to do a bunch of side content first before ending the game

After his death, the world could no longer be sustained, but Aline, out of love for her son, entered the painting to try to preserve what remained of Verso, even though his world was inevitably doomed (represented by the countdown clock Monolith). Living inside the painting causes the real body to lose consciousness.

not even true

shills

at last, you are not only a retard but of bad faith

Yes, she can paint over herself because she is a painter. ALINE cant make her scarred and fucked up because MAELLE IS FUCKING REAL YOU BROWN STUPID FUCKING RETARD FINISH THE GAME BEFORE CRYING ON Anon Babble TO BE SPOONFED THE ANSWERs

So the real Renoir is the one slaughtering people on the beach? Or her version?

She protects people in the city but kills them if they attempt to stop her? Why not ask them to kill Renoir?

Renoir (forma real) did nothing wrong

You can play after beating the game. You are just retarded and thought you would know the ending of the before playing the ending of the game
And you said you had a high iq? Fucking moron

pay attention to the game next time

The gommage is a shotgun blast gradually wearing away at the perimeters of a shield. She chooses who gets sent to the obliterated perimeter and who is safe at the center until there is no shield left. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Yes, she is choosing whom to protect from her husband.

Amicable as possible?

"Family is complicated," is recurringly said throughout Act 2 for this very reason. They're at war, but a family war, the father deity wants his wife to move on and the wife wishes to grieve "in her own way," as stated by her in the boss fight. They are still a family. It is a battle of love that consequently is destroying the world of the painted.

OP here, the fake Renoir works for Paintress, the real Renoir works against Paintress.

The fake one kills the expeditioners, and the fake one also kills Gustave I think (?)

She protects people in the city but kills them if they attempt to stop her?

She doesn't protect people, she just created them, but if she dies then the entire painted world will be destroyed. Yeah Idk why she never attempts to communicate with them and tell them Renoir is the enemy

real renoir is trapped till you defeat the paintress

MASSIVE SPOILERS

What is this fucking reddit? not reading all that go back

How much is a fucking final bossfight going to explain? The end of act 2 was basically already the bombshell, and the Maelle quest with Alicia clearly expects you to already understand all these concepts even though they are inconsistent and full of holes

, the fake Renoir works for Paintress,

no, its the opposite, fake renoir was made by actual renoir

but if she dies then the entire painted world will be destroyed.

The painted world has been alive longer than she's been in it. It's never explicitly said what will happen to it if Verso's real soul dies, but there's a possibility it will keep going until physically destroyed.

Alicia paints over her throat.
She is consumed by her mother.
She develops amnesia and is reborn.
She is named Maelle.
The paintress tries to hurt her because she thinks her husband created her.
Only to discover that Maelle is Alicia, ie, Maelle is one of the three painters.

wow you are not paying attention at all

It has to do with the age, not your location when the gommage happens. The gommage is a celebration people do before their death, it isn't about being in a certain location to sacrifice yourself, nor is it signifying that it is *only* going to kill those people, because tons of people in that area who don't meet the age requirement don't die.

Seriously you call me illiterate and you retards have zero fucking clue about even basic concepts

No, that's literally not true. Fake Renoir was made by the Paintress to stop the expeditioners from attacking her retard.

someone has not read expedition 60's journal.

It has to do with age

Because she specifically chooses them based on age, you fool, as explicitly told to you in Act 2.

The wife isn't grieving. She's living in a full blown delusion divorced from reality and fully intends to die in her dead son's fake world. Alicia then literally tells Verso she wants to do the exact same thing.

It’s unclear why these two are true:

the paintress was signaling who was going to die with the number countdown but it was Renoir erasing them

the paintress also had her fake Renoir slaughtering expeditioners

So she wants to give a warning but kills them too.

I refuse to believe people are that retarded

fake renoir is not working for the paintress, he has gone completely awol

The wife isn't grieving

Goes on to explain grief

Ok.

um no they are just paintings. monoco is named after his dog

The Godbert's expedition? He still gommeraged

I know that retard... the retard I was replying to said that the gommage just kills people based on their location because all the gommage ages going to the perimeter of the city, which is clearly bullshit.

You clearly misinterpreted it because that makes zero fucking sense. Renoir WANTS to destroy the paintress because he wants to destroy the entire painting, and she is the only one supporting it. The expeditioners are trying to destroy the paintress, why the fuck would he want to kill them?

He is working for the paintress, that's why he kills all the expeditioners and defends her at all costs. It's the painted version made by the paintress.

Have you finished school?

Based on their location

The shield was a metaphor to help your peanut brain conceptualize it better. Sorry you were too stupid to grasp it.

He is working for his family

Just because she's warning people who's about to get gommaged doesn't mean she's going to lay down and die when they try to go kill her over misunderstanding the situation

No he kills the expeditioners, because he doesnt want them to end his fake family. He is completely aware of what he truly is but he completely mirrors the real renoir. The expeditioners are alines creation and he doesnt want them changing the world and ruining his "life"

Renoir (the real one) wants to destroy the painted world, which is supported by the paintress, to save his real life family

therefore he would be on the side of the expeditioners attempting to destroy the paintress.

The FAKE/PAINTED Renoir kills the expeditioners to protect the Paintress because he was made by the Paintress for that purpose

it was an absolutely fucking stupid analogy and you are a retard. I already said something something limited chroma so she can support less and less people each year. I was asking about the specifics of how the gommage works, who initiates it and how?

Why does the delayed gommage happen after her death, but all the way after they already reach Lumiere? Who initiated that and why?

But she could have told, through her fake Renoir, the entire city the truth about the painting world and that they should kill real Renoir.

Dude, you completely misunderstood the story. The REAL Renoir cares about his REAL family, which is why he wants to destroy the Paintress and the painted world. He wants her to get out of the painted world and stop the madness, she wants to remain inside and created painted Renoir to protect her.

ok you are all fake people and now you work for me

make thread to answer a bunch of plot holes

most of the people replying actually understand less than me and failed to grasp extremely basic concepts

grim..

Yes and FAKE RENOIR cares about his family too, which is why he is killing the expeditioners and trying to stop you from reaching her. He does not want you to end his family. He is not at all on alines side.

Sounds like you haven't finished the game.

It was stupid

Still doesn't get it

Not quite stupid enough.

How the gommage works

He's shooting a shotgun at the painting.

Who initiates it

Renoir, retard

How

With his painter powers, ie, shotgun, retard

Suicide is different from grieve.

Why would that be bad? A God telling us she created us and a bad God is trying to kill is would be pretty fucking motivating to kill the bad God.

Suicide isn't a form of grief

Ok.

It isn't, but ok.

Yes, fake Renoir wants to remain in the painted world, real one doesn't. Fake Renoir is on her side because she also wants to remain in the painted world.

he uses le shotgun!!

a precision shotgun that only kills those in this very specific age range, and only humans, not neverons, gestrals, or axons, despite all four having chroma

he is doing the gommage, but somehow the paintress manipulates it to kill only exactly who she wants

how does she manipulate it you ask? Just stop asking questions!!

You're retarded

You niggers are fucking retarded with zero reading comprehension. God damn, finish the fucking game before asking stupid questions that you get answers to

It is indeed one of many possible results stemming from it you pedantic dipshit.

That only kills these very specific

Specific

Yes. Specified by the paintress, retard.

Suicide is not grieve. I welcome you to cite a definition if you think otherwise.

He wanted to fuck Sciel and Lune

Well, I don't blame him. i would also kill to fuck any of them.

Again retard: the husband is doing the gommage. How the fuck is the wife just able to say

"nuh uh, I want you to gommage only these exact range of people that are humans this many years old"

And he just says "ok, sure thing honey!"

Again, it's so fucking stupid and nonsensical.

i really hope youre baiting because if not holy shit youre retarded

And death is not war but it's pretty clear when subjects are aligned you fucking idiot.

She's not grieving, she's committing suicide because of how aggrieved she is

That's a form of grief, retard

Um, no, see, based on Webster's

You're retarded.

How does a more powerful and skilled painter who leads the painters and taught her husband how to paint fend off and redirect the attacks?

Does she ask nicely?

She uses what remains of her power to protect those that she can, and she chooses them based on age. As stated in the game. Retard.

you're wrong though. maelle is a aline creation. this is explicitly told to you. alicia is weak and was painted over and reborn

OP you caught a lot of shills

like 80% of this thread watched a stream of this game or something lol

Timeline (pt1)
Verso (child) paints the world you play in. He creates all the fantasy races (Kestrals, Grandis, etc), including Esquie and Monoco. Him and Clea spend some of their childhood in there, but eventually they all move on from it. A fragment of his soul keeps the world alive while everyone is outside of it. Later, the Writers (unknown opposing group) get Verso killed in a fire, who dies saving Alicia. This mind breaks the mom (Aline) who goes into Verso's childhood painting and starts making it her world, creating Lumiere people and fake versions of her family (the Verso we know, Alicia, Clea in the Flying Manor, and the Renoir who kills Gustave). Alicia still has the burn scars because Aline still resents her, even the fake one.

Eventually the dad enters the canvas because Aline has spent way too long in there with her make believe family and what not. Aline ends up trapping Renoir, but not before he causes the Fracture which splits apart the world. He also creates Axons during this time based off family members (Verso - Mask, Aline - Sirene, Clea - unnamed axon killed by Simon in old Lumiere, Alicia - the tower). Renoir is still able to slowly gommage the people in the world while trapped, and Aline paints the warning on the monolith every year when it's about to happen. Around this time also, Clea starts helping her dad by manipulating people like painting over fakeClea to make Nevrons and mindfucks Simon (fakeClea's lover) to get godlike power and kills the axon based on her (because she hates people painting her). Eventually Aline gets Simon to go fight Renoir, but Simon is unable to beat Renoir and sealed under Renoir's prison. Clea during this time is also the only functional person in the family fighting a war against the Writers in the real world, as Alicia is just holed up in her room being depressed.

Renoir:

grrr I hate you, I am going to gommage a bunch of people to destroy your world.

Aline:

nuh uh, you can only kill humans that are this exact age

Renoir:

yes master

This is so fucking stupid and contrived

And how the fuck does Renoir destroying people actually destroy the painted world? That is his end goal after all, to save his real world family. The only way to destroy the painted world is by destroying the Paintress herself, how the fuck is gommaging a shit load of people going to cause that?

your world.

are you going to repost this every thread?

I still don't understand why Verso let Gustave die.

Gustave was trying to kill the paintress with all the other expeditioners, he had a similar goal. And if that wasn't Verso's goal, why the fuck wouldn't Verso just attempt to kill all the expeditioners including Gustave himself?

there is no fucking way

1) i forget if its his own personal vr persona from before, or if its a copy that his mother made, using memories of him and shit. i think the latter.
2) painted version is alicia, and painted by their mother, who did so "authentically", and because she blames her for the fire and the loss of verso.
3) they just become loose chroma/essence. nothingness.
4) time is faster in canvas.
5) a handful of protected creations: the family, and verso's original creations like the gestrals
6) esquie and monoco are original creations from the original/real verso. basically action figure best friends to play with as a child.
7) she doesnt gommage anybody. she's trying (poorly) to warn people that her power is waning and cant hold the gommage back, so people of that age will be hit next, so they can best live whats left of their lives.
8) its about motivating maelle to choose to undo the entire canvas. verso thought he would get in the way, especially when the truth comes out.
9) yes
10) bad communication, generally retarded.

go back to watching your youtube letsplays

Because verso thought him being alive meant she would be more attached and not leave.

verso wanted the canvas destroyed but would gustave or malle with gustave alive go through with that if they found out? he let gustave die to play it safe

wait so every single thing verso does in the game is purely because he wants to kill himself but is unable to do so?

After the fracture, expedition 0 happens and they meet Aline (the paintress) who tells them what's happening. Expedition 0, which includes the Verso we know, fakeRenoir, Simon, etc fight to protect Aline as long as possible. Eventually after Verso becomes depressed and realizes that the real Verso actually wants both Aline and real Alicia to move on from the canvas, and it becomes his life mission (probably because of Julie, his girlfriend who he and fakeRenoir had to kill because she knew too much). Clea's fuckery also helps tilt things in Renoir's favor and prevents the truth from getting back to Lumiere in general.

Eventually, Clea gets Alicia to enter the canvas (Epilogue 2). Alicia ends up being too weak and gets reborn as Maelle due to Aline's chroma remaking her. Eventually enough time passes and the events of the story unfold. Clea is still fighting the war solo while the rest of her family is in the painting.

Renoir attacks the expedition but spares Maelle as she's the real daughter so they can't kill her (or want to). Verso is also acting to protect Maelle but doesn't protect the rest of them and lets Gustave die eventually. He wants to use Maelle to defeat Aline and get her out of the canvas, even if it means destroying the canvas since Renoir will. They succeed, and Renoir starts destroying the canvas so that Aline and Maelle stop trying to escape and die in the fantasy world. Eventually Renoir is beaten and Verso realizes that Maelle is addicted to the world the same as Aline and Renoir did nothing wrong, and wants to destroy the canvas. The last fragment of Verso's soul is also tired of keeping the canvas alive at this point and wants to be put to rest. Ending depends on who you choose, but Aline either becomes the new god of the world or it's destroyed and they move on.

Side note: The Verso we know has gone on many adventures with Esquie and Monoco before the fracture and after. I don't know which Clea Francios knew.

His main goal is freeing his family from their grief over his real self's death. He wants them all out of the canvas and dealing with their shit in the real world.

No, Verso is a painted character, he doesn't exist in the real world (well he did, but dead now) nor does he care about the real world. He is just a tormented soul who wants to be gommaged but is unable.

Most of it yeah, he's been pretty suicidal since he had to kill Julie. His ending is basically a murder-suicide for the sake of the real Verso he was based off of (he's Aline's greatest creation and actually does mimic and understand his will the most). Verso would have wanted Aline and Alicia to move on, and wouldn't want to linger and have them be like that for centuries (Aline was in the painting for a long time before Renoir stepped in and decided to destroy it). Maelle was going to be the same when she lied to Renoir in the ending.

I know that, Fake verso knows hes fake, but he still cares for Real verso's family. Yes he does want to die, but he also wants his real versions family to get over his death and actually reconcile. They cant do that while alien and maelle are stuck in the canvas. They are to attached.

Side note: The Verso we know has gone on many adventures with Esquie and Monoco before the fracture and after. I don't know which Clea Francios knew.

Probably when they were kids and and she was singing and having fun

Verso would not have destroyed the canvas if Maelle wasn't lying about leaving the canvas. Though Renoir might have done it anyways, he only did it because Renoir was right about everything and Verso would want the same (Aline's Verso is supposed to be extremely accurate).

Nah I'm pretty sure he is just a selfish piece of shit, because if he was capable of killing himself without destroying the whole painting he would have done it long ago

Anon, his attachment to his family is real. If maelle didnt lie about leaving he wouldnt of done what he did. She forced his hand.

I clapped

He doesn't have attachment to his real family, he is a painted character where a real world variant doesn't exist.

According to Clea?Renoir? Painted Verso is a PERFECT recreation of Verso. His affection is not at all fake.

He knew he was a fake and couldn't cope with his existencial crisis, so yeah, he made an elaborated plan so he just could finally die.

Btw I like girls.

is the paintress gommaging people every year or is that her husband

husband gommages them to steal her chroma and destroy her world so she leaves. She is able to influence it and redirect in a more predictable and less harmful way, if this thread is to be believed.

I'm not sure if it's explained anywhere, I only beat act 2.

So many of these things are explicitly answered in game

Forgot about that, yeah it was the real one. I wonder if there's some hidden scene where she does visit/talk to Francios before the end because he probably has the saddest existence being in that one room forever.

Verso originally worked to protect Aline and knew everything after Expedition 0 happened, doing it for decades. After Julie's death in expedition 67 or something, he realized that Aline needed to go for her sake and it's what Verso would have wanted. He's a perfect replica Verso personality-wise according to everyone, being Aline's greatest painting. So he only has been trying to destroy the canvas for 30-35 years at most.

Maybe you should keep playing then, because its explained like 5 minutes after act 2.

I'm gonna try to be kind and elaborate on all of this for you as best I can.

Who the fuck painted Verso? Did the real world version kid paint himself before he died in the fire?

Verso was painted by the paintress, along with painted Renoir and painted Alicia/Maelle.

Why does the painted version of Maelle have a scarred face while the real version have a normal face? Why can the painted version talk while the original girl outside of the painted world just grunts?

Because the paintress (Maelle's mother) painted her that way. The real Maelle, being a paintress herself has at least some control over how she manifests herself inside the canvas.

What happens to people when they gommage? Do they just cease to exist in that moment or do they go somewhere?

They cease to exist, turned back into raw chroma, unless a painter recreates them.

How does time work in the painted world? Esquie talks about how it's been "centuries"?

Time definitely moves more quickly within the canvas as opposed to the real world. This is conjecture on my part, but I believe it is why painters must be cautious not to stay too long inside a canvas, lest they lose themselves to time after millennia of living.

These are in order for each point.

The "real world" Verso painted the entire world, but when he died, his mother painted a doppelganger to help organize and maintain his presence in the world while a small fragment of his soul kept the canvas "alive."

The painted version was the Paintress' interpretation of Alicia, a scarred mute. Maelle is Alicia after being reborn as a normal girl with no injuries. If Maelle leaves the painting, she's scarred.

They're turned into raw chroma (those flower petals they turn into), which if taken and used early enough can remake whoever's been Gommaged.

The painted world was crafted with a history in mind, but in terms of actual timespan decades can pass in the painted world while far less time passes in real life, could be hours, could be days, we're not told exactly which.

Certain characters - The Paintress, her husband, and their children - are the actual "gods" of the world so of course they're immune to the Gommage. Verso and Renoir's painted versions were created to explicitly be immortal.

Esquie and Monoco are Verso's toys from his childhood he added to the canvas.

The Gommages were all performed by Renoir. What the Paintress was doing was warning people who were next on the chopping block, she herself did not Gommage anyone.

Killing Gustave would not get Verso any favors from Maelle. He needed to seem like an ally to her.

The Renori you fight in Act 2, the one who kills everyone at the beach, is the painted doppelganger made by the Paintress.

Renoir was slowly purging the Canvas of people so as to squeeze the Paintress out. The Paintress was just warning people via the countdown on hopes someone would stop him.

Literally all of these are answered very clearly in game besides the Esquie/Monoco question.

Why are certain people immortal (or seem to be)? Why are certain characters immune to the gommage? So do all the characters with real world variants just have plot armor? Or are they marked as invincible at the time they are painted? How does it work?

If something is painted to be immortal, it will be. No creation within the canvas is innately immune to the gommage, but Maelle uses her paintress powers to stop renoir from gommaging her party members.

Who are Esquie and Monoco? Do they have real world parallels? Were they painted for a particular reason? Why are they immune to gommage?

Why is it said that the Paintress is trying to "save" people by gommaging them? Does it just mean that if she wasn't in charge then Renoir would destroy the entire painting killing everyone and that they should just take what they can get?

Renoir is the cause of the gommage, not the Paintress. She painted the big numbers as a warning to the people of lumiere. Renoir cannot just wipe out the canvas with a snap of the fingers. The gommage takes chroma, and Renoir was in a constant power struggle with the Paintress over the chroma within the canvas.

Verso said he let Gustavo die, why didn't he just kill Gustavo himself then? I still don't understand how Gustavo dying benefits him, when Gustavo wanted to take down the Paintress, and had the same goal as Verso.

Verso knew that Renoir would immediately gommage everyone when the paintress was no longer there to stop him. He didn't want any emotional ties holding Maelle back from letting this happen IF she found out about the reality behind the gommage. So he let gustave die.

I am assuming the Renoir that kills the expeditioners is the Painted version, not the real one, because the real one actually wants to destroy the Paintress and stop the painting, while the fake one serves the Paintress?

Correct. Painted Renoir is a creation of the paintress. The real Renoir was hiding out as the Curator for most of the plot.

Answered in the cutscene where Verso reads the letter, the scene right after in the real world with Clea, and the scene right after at camp between Maelle and Verso

What I mean is I have done everything except go Lumiere for the fight.

No, it wasn't explained.

Explained where? I beat act 2 and got to the point where I need to go to Lumiere to fight Renoir, and none of this was explained, or explained in a very haphazard nonsensical way where you had to recall one line from 30 hours ago for it to make sense.

Why does the Paintress have the year timer and why does it count down every year? Is it because there is a limited number of chroma, so you have to gommage some people or else run out of chroma, and this is the best system she could find or what? Why doesn't she try to communicate in some way that she is actually on their side instead of against them?

The paintress has already gone half crazy from being in the canvas for so long, losing much of her sense of self. Her reasoning and logic isn't always sound. But yes, the painted number was a warning of the incoming gommage. Renoir couldn't gommage everyone at once while playing tug of war with the paintress for the canvas's chroma, so he was forced to stagger the gommage like he did. As we see with the number counting down and lifespans decreasing every year, Renoir was slowly but surely winning this power struggle against the paintress.

Hope I shed some light on some of that for you a little bit OP.

I beat act 2 and got to the point where I need to go to Lumiere to fight Renoir, and none of this was explained, or explained in a very haphazard nonsensical way where you had to recall one line from 30 hours ago for it to make sense.

Its literally explained in the cutscenes at the start of act 3, you did not pay attention i guess.

how do you not understand fake alicias letter to maelle? the gommage is clearly explained

This, if miss burn victim was willing to step out of the painting for like a week and limit herself to routine visits things would of been fine. But her trauma and power were to great and so Verso's hand had to be forced.

Renoir is responsible. His power only affects her eldest creations. Every year, the chroma accessible to her wanes thanks to Clea's machinations and her power weakens - while Renoir's grows. Every number she paints is essentially saying "I can only sustain this age and below until next year."

december 33

what did they mean by this

I beat act 2 and got to the point where I need to go to Lumiere to fight Renoir, and none of this was explained

Yes it was, they outright take several cutscenes to explain this in detai-

or explained in a very haphazard nonsensical way

Ope, there it is, you weren't paying attention and so now you're making excuses! The Paintress' part in the Gommage is explained in through a cutscene literally right after you finish Act 2. Alicia literally goes into detail explaining why The Paintress puts the numbers on the monolith. These series of cutscenes also explain that Painted Verso and Renoir were made to be immortal. The chroma explanation is in the same cutscene leading up to where they build the army of revived expeditioners. Verso's motivations for not killing Gustave himself are part of the relationship sidequests with Maelle, where he outright says why he let Gustave die.

Also, remember one of the biggest reasons Verso comes to want the canvas destroyed is because the canvas is suffering because of their family drama, and until the family drama is resolved the canvas is just a world of suffering. Someone post that scene where Verso literally says he's tired of that shit. paintedClea got absolutely fucked by Clea and why she kills herself in the Flying Manor, not to mention Clea and Renoir mindfucking Simon to the abyss. Painted Renoir kills expeditions all the time when they were originally there to help/save the canvas because of Aline's paranoa and mental regression. Renoir causes the terror that is gommaging. Clea created the Nevrons because Renoir was too weak and slowly helps kill off the world. The family being as far away from the canvas is the best for the world, and it would be better not to exist if they are going to just keep fucking with it.

Why are Esquie and Monoco not targeted by Renoir's gommage after the Paintress dies?

Why doesn't the Paintress just redirect the gommage towards the expeditioners that are actively trying to kill her?

Why doesn't the paintress communicate in any way that she isn't the real enemy, that Renoir is the one trying to destroy everything?

Is the Curator the real Renoir (or some painting made by the real Renoir) who is aiding the expeditioners in the hopes they will destroy the paintress?

oh whoopsie daisy, looks like that's all my chroma, conveniently just enough for those two and not for gustave

We are explicitly shown her reaching out and grabbing at the chroma of Sciel and Lune. Gustave's would be with his corpse, and the expeditioner army comes from pointing out she can revive any corpse with chroma in it., but because it's old there's no proper recreation of any of those bodies.
This isn't even like hidden dialogue, this is stated in clear, plain conversation in an unmissable cutscene at the beginning of Act 3.

so what did the paintress want the people of the city to actually do with the warning? They mistook it as an omen and wanted to kill her but if they had known she was actually good I doubt they would have spent decades finding ways to destroy her.

Nigga who the fuck is noticing and remembering her specifically grabbing a damn petal, and then recalling that 20 minutes later when she paints them and concluding "AHA! THAT IS HOW SHE REVIVED THEM, BY GRABBING A SINGLE PETAL REPRESENTING <1% OF THEIR BODY!!"

It's just so contrived it's stupid

Literally the only person who can paint over others' creations in the canvas is Clea. This is stated as such in the cutscene before her boss fight.

Who the fuck are the "writers"?

It was a whopping 5 minutes prior, and she outright says "I managed to get a hold of their Chroma before they were lost." Again, explicit dialogue. You're trying to complain about the game when the problem is you somehow can't pay attention to particularly elementary dialogue about what's happening in the game. Were you spending half the time playing looking at your phone or something?

There's two ways you can think about it though; it was the recency of when they were gommaged. Or they could just be recreations based off of Maelle's knowledge and not the actually Lune/Sciel we knew, in the same way the Verso in Maelle's ending is not really the Verso we played with. It's reasonable that she could have had some control over chroma during this period because she just gained her memories back and Renoir didn't consider her an addict yet (it was until she dropped the home line he realized that Alicia was going to become Aline 2.0).

Ubisoft

Play the game, jesus christ everyone who is asking questions is a complete fucking retard. EVERYTHING IS EXPLAINED

I don't understand how she hid the canvas from her mom when her mom is already in the painting as the paintress

We have no idea, other than they're a rival to the Painters (which includes the Dessendre family - Aline, Renoir, Verso, Alicia, and Clea) and tricked Alicia into allowing for a situation that set the Dessendre family manor on fire that resulted in the death of Verso and the disfigurement of Alicia.
Given the Painters are capable of creating thousands of pocket dimensions using Chroma, it can be assumed the Writers are similarly some kind of magical experts related to written word but they just left that as a side detail. I think it's a hook for another game.

He struggles to remember something from 20 minutes ago

Zoomoids are screwed.

I am in act 3 all the way right before heading to lumiere, and none of this explained. fuck off retard

It's just a plot hole, the devs wanted the whole yearly countdown because it is a good hook to get people interested, even if it doesn't actually make sense int he context of the paintress trying to minimize losses or protect herself and/or her creations.

Also, after Renoir's final gommage, you can consider everyone but Sciel and Lune effectively dead because their chroma has been mixed/dissolved at this point. Everything in Maelle's ending is a replica, made to her tastes and the best of her knowledge.

We just don't know, but Clea's fighting them. Maybe they can star in a sequel if the universe gets expanded.

The british

Why are Esquie and Monoco not targeted by Renoir's gommage after the Paintress dies?

They are Verso's Original creation from ebfore The Paintress fucked everything up and so they are not under her control. Therefore there is no reason for Renior to mess with them.

Why doesn't the Paintress just redirect the gommage towards the expeditioners that are actively trying to kill her?

Why doesn't the paintress communicate in any way that she isn't the real enemy, that Renoir is the one trying to destroy everything?

She is delusional as being in the painting so long is killing her combined with her grief.

Is the Curator the real Renoir (or some painting made by the real Renoir) who is aiding the expeditioners in the hopes they will destroy the paintress?

Yes its his extension out into the world on account of the bulk of him being caught in a metaphysical stalemate.

and none of this explained. fuck off retard

For starters, this question:

Is the Curator the real Renoir (or some painting made by the real Renoir) who is aiding the expeditioners in the hopes they will destroy the paintress?

Is explained in the cutscenes leading to Act 3. The Curator literally turns into Renoir. His Curator "Form" is the same as the Paintress. If you don't have brain damage, this should be incredibly easy to figure out that yes, this is the real Renoir.

Tell me, how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

guess that would make her an expert on the subject then??

i didnt beat the game, yet im going to call it a plot hole not realizing what i havent done is going to explain it.

Retard

Did you miss the Act 2 epilogue? Aline and Renoir's bodies were literally in the main painting room. She moved the canvas to the basement. The end of the Act 3 Aline has to go to the basement before rentering the canvas to give Maelle a choice + Verso the ability to enter the heart of the canvas, and tell Renoir to fuck off. Aline also leaves of her own will so she has moved on though.

She doesn't even hide it very well since Aline finds it quickly enough to return and destroy the Axons at the end

Note, this was after she had already painted vocal cords onto herself, given she was talking and panicking as she was swept up in Aline's Chroma.

Reminder that we are getting a movie from the Sonic Movie guys apparently.
nme.com/news/gaming-news/clair-obscur-expedition-33-film-adaptation-cast-release-date-3859206#:~:text=Before Clair Obscur: Expedition 33,Tomb Raider) for the project.
Perhaps we will get more info there?

There is a bunch of shit being infodumped at once, and you need context from one thing for the previous context to make sense, so no I do not remember a literal 2 second animation of the curator turning into renoir. holy fuck, you are such an insufferable fag.

her soul gets kicked out of the painting when defeated, so she need to find the canvas to enter it again Mario 64 style

so they hid the canvas in the past or does time work differently in the painting vs the real world

why even move the canvas at all? Maelle/Alicia and Aline are on the same side. It's only Renoir that wants to destroy the canvas and painted world.

a literal 2 second animation of the curator turning into renoir

You literally have an entire build-up of walking to the Curator, who is very hard to miss, before being swept up in a big flashy show of particles and now suddenly Renoir is there and has a lengthy conversation with Verso and Maelle. Do you have object permanence issues? Do you think people vanish if they walk out of your field of view? It'd explain why you can't remember something from 20 minutes ago.

time works differently, hours irl = years in the canvas

They relocated the painting away from her physical body, then Alicia hopped in. When the Paintress is kicked out back to her actual body, she wouldn't know where the canvas went.

Clea also wants the marital spat to end, which is why she helps in moving the canvas.

Did you not read or listen to anything said during Act 2 epilogue? Alicia didn't enter the canvas on Aline's side. She entered to end the spat per Clea's order. She ended up growing attached to the world because she was reborn as Maelle, and that's why she would have been on Aline's side if she knew.

youtu.be/RdiffZfLfkQ?t=1646

MAJOR plothole. Renoir starts to gommage Verso before Maelle saves him

how is Verso getting gommaged when he is supposed to be invincible? this is a HUGE plot hole. That is the entire crux of the story that Verso is doing all this shit because he was painted invincible and can't be killed in any conventional way without the whole painting being destroyed

Verso is immortal when aline is still inside, guess where she is when this happens?

The whole story boiling down to some family drama and it's all le painting bullshit was kind of disappointing
It's not bad, but the first few hours evoked such a feeling of wonder and intrigue but I really feel like it did not delivered on those feelings in a satisfying way

Copypasting from the other thread (since you copypasted your own post from there):
He was immune to the gommage up to that point because the Paintress was present and able to cover for him. With her out of the painting, Renoir was the one with the most control. He probably picked up on that and was looking forward to finally dying before Maelle dragged him back into it.

Aline would want to kill Verso though since he is trying to destroy her world, so she would just kill him

ALSO, Renoir clearly has way, way stronger painting powers than Maelle, so how the fuck is she able to repair him in that moment?

ALSO ALSO, if Renoir and Verso have aligned goals (both want to see the painted world destroyed), why the fuck is he even targeting Verso at all? He is literally his biggest ally.

I beat the main story and the only thing I didn't understand were the mimes/baggedchilds
Are they nevrons? Why would try to destroy the tower if they were on the same side as clea/renoir/axons

they're in the writers' book and the writers had a typo

Maelle acquired Alicia memories only after defeating her mom

oooo I like that

Did people just not read the entire exposition in Act 2 that explains how everything started?

he couldve just stayed there

interesting concept

typical 8deep12u "twist" real plot

don't know what I expected from frenchies.

No she would not, the entire reason she is in the canvas is because of verso., Fake renoir for instance's action actively harm her, yet she doesn't erase him.

so the Expeditions were Clea's pawns to take out the paintress?

No, Aline made them, Clea made nevrons

right but they're trying to kill the paintress, a goal Clea wants to happen so her mother returns to the real world

I have not seen a game cause so many pinheads such mental and moral anguish since the original full release of Undertale, goddamn

They were the natural reaction to people getting gommaged and wanting to find out why. There were multiple expeditions that actually made it to the paintress and took her side (0 and 60 at the very least). Nevrons are Clea's pawns which were made to prevent any expeditions returning with the truth that would make them help Aline (plus Nevrons slowly destroy the world). The paintress all the Nevrons are talking about isn't Aline but Clea (and specifically notClea who is actually creating the Nevrons for Clea).

Clea didn't make all the Nevrons. Her "agents" are the white Nevrons who are pensive and note that they're not given the same tasks as other Nevrons, and obsess over her. Clea's actual creations, aside from the white Nevrons, were a few pawns like Simon.

Cause they have no idea what is going on, and fake renoir who went awol is killing everyone before they do.

filtered by entry level single-layer esoteric postmodern meta storytelling

in the format of a video game

made for kids

HOLY
FUCKING
LYNCHED

Anyone else notice that the plot of this game is incredibly similar to Final Fantasy 10?

Still Lynching from beyond the grave... truly the G.O.A.T...

I like grounded stories with consistent internal logic. Not convoluted, poorly explained bullshit full of plotholes and just handwaved away with "IT'S LE MAGIC!!!!"

Yeah same. I think the ending was okay, pretty satisfying and actually answers a lot of questions pretty quickly and coherently.

But the ending also has a lot of echoes of "it's just a dream", which is bad. The setting really reminded me of Annihilation -- too bad it couldn't deliver something as satisfying as that.

Full of plotholes

Point some out?

hmm... in that case best to stick to rom-coms and CSI shows

unironically admitting your stupid

You do you i guess...

Oh yes, very funny. I am 130 IQ tested, but whatever helps you feel better about your little midwit magical story.

basically Alicia and her mom were addicted to the Sims and weren't dealing with their grief in a healthy way so Papa wanted them to turn off the PC and touch grass

Thinking being able to recognize patterns in shapes somehow translates to media literacy

sad. Keep clinging to your 130 IQ or whatever though.

media literacy

gay magical fantasy game where the rules are just whatever the fuck the dev decides to pull out of his asshole while writing that specific part

Riiiiiiight...

>gay magical fantasy game where the rules are just whatever the fuck the dev decides to pull out of his asshole while writing that specific part

anon your autism is showing, thats how stories work to begin with, its all make believe

You don't know how relieved I am that the Nevrons weren't revealed to actually be the real humans and we've been killing humans the entire game. I was worried because they started to humanize the nevrons a lot and tried to make you feel guilty for killing them.

dude it's a fucking fictional story you goddamn faggot, who gives a single fuck?

not trying to say you were stupid, just saying it would be best to stick to completely reality-based stories with zero element of fantasy and require no suspension of disbelief.
avoid Superhero movies too, that's some real zany stuff there.

You're right, I have a hard time following capeshit too with its multiverses and retarded fucking nonsense plotlines.

I keep seeing high reviews and telling myself this one will finally be good, fall for it again, and hate it. So eventually I just stopped going.

NTA.

Can a plot hole be how with Sciel and Lune don't react to being told they are fictional and they seem chill about it (so far, I just got to act 3 after both got revived by Alicia). Like Sciels whole goal is to reunite with her husband either he being revived or she dying, yet she seems so extremy chill about it after being denied by Maelle?

That's followed up in the relationship camp talks. Also she wasn't denied, she just wasn't able to do it, same with Gustave.

They aren't fictional though. As far as they care they are real. Knowing that a creator god exists doesnt change anything. There isnt really any point of arguing over it, either renoir is stopped or they die. They dont have options here.

Of course what you say is true, but then the story can't happen. Somewhat bad writing indeed.

I feel like the bigger issue how chill they are allying with Verso even though there is very clearly important secrets he is keeping from them. Maybe Maelle can be excused because deep down she probably knows she doesn't want to know the truth, but Verso straight up has conversations with hugely important undertones in front of Sciel and Lune and we just don't see them following up on it.

I liked how he tells her he let Gustave die and she doesn't even remotely care. The next line of dialogue she's cracking jokes with him about repainting the monolith. I genuinely loathe how little of a shit his own friends give about him.

Well I mean you have to see it from the perspective of real world vs. painted world and the greater good. The important thing for Verso was saving real world Alicia and Aline

I don't really blame Verso for doing it, I'd just have liked to see Maelle be mad at him for more than 2 seconds or even a bit cross with him. I still think it was a huge missed opportunity to not bring him back and it really soured Act 3 for me personally.

maelle was not looking for an answer yes or no. she already thought about it and knew Verso did it. it's why if you lie instead the friendship breaks and cannot max to 7. what she's looking for here is to know that as her "brother" you trust her and see her as an equal enough to tell the truth.

I don't care that you killed my best friend

just don't lie to me

she knew at that point it was all bullshit and she was already plotting against her father and her in-painting brother and all sense and logic to bring everyone back and live forever inside the painting, so it was no big deal that he was dead, she was about to rez him

Way to expose yourself as an illiterate retard.

Did you play the game in a language you didn't understand?