Expedition 33

NOOOO LET ME LIVE IN MY 50.000.000+ ONE HIT FANTASY
THE DEVS KEEP TAKING VERSOS SIDE

You can just use Gommage for the same effect, it's simply no longer doable with your very first action. Still doable before the enemy moves.
Add a hardcap of 99(9),999 per hit or change how the modifiers affect each other, 6m per multihit or more is absurd and that's not even touching Stendhal and Gommage nuking Simon by dealing 150m damage min.

Because people lack self-control, just like Maelle and Aline

never played this game, not my problem
sorry it happened or glad it happened though whatever

balancing a single player rpg post release

?????

make a superboss

everyone just one shots it for 50 million damage

there is no guide for how to fight the boss every guide is just telling people how to break the game and one shot everything

I think the biggest issue is that you would have to play with less pictos than when you finished Act II including avoiding upgrading your weapons to not obliterate anything in Act III, but you get a lot of cool and interactive pictos from the optional bosses in it. Which ultimately leads to oneshotting everything in your way.

Can still one shot things with Lune

For those who come after...

Same, benched OP Maelle all game although I think that Reddit weapon everyone and their mom uses is the outlier. Its scaling MUST be broken since it hits harder than other weapons in Virt Stance with worse scaling

if the boss get's one shot the problem isn't one ability...

Even if they reduce the damage multiplier, the crazy numbers come from having so many luminas with damage modifiers, are they going to nerf those too?

lol

They could simply cap them, but they won't. I am honestly more surprised that people need guides to tell them how to break the game, it happens naturally.

takes a bit of thinking and effort though, and they said they don't have problems with broken stuff (like my Verso burning things for 500k turn 1 on top of doing millions of damage with shooting)

Maelle users LITERALLY did not beat the game. Very fitting.

The max damage it can do right now is like 300 million in a game where the hardest boss has 50 million health.

I beat my meat a lot though
t. modded Maelle user

auto death with ap gain, max break, revive etc

verso with giving his damage to everyone else and all the gradient charge pictos

after he's done with his auto attacks and shooting you will have 2-3 gradient

Gommage the boss if 3, set it on fire and go into Virtuoso if not

buff team with sciel and give the turn back to Maelle

Gommage

fucking shit has 2500% damage multiplier willy nilly, no shit it will get nerfed, for comparison other Maelle's extreme skill sword ballet has like 75% times 5 hits or so

didn't sciel do even more daamage than maelle?

yeah but that requires setup, whith Stendahl you literally just press one button

Stendahl is broken because you unlock it at the start of act 3 and start oneshotting superbosses with minimum setup

Meanwhile Lune is in the dirt, absolutely worthless character.

they balanced the game

Oh no!

>there is no guide for how to fight the boss every guide is just

The boss removes shields and dead party members. These are all the options

dodge/parry everything, build is irrelevant

one shot him

speedmaxx and revive before he removes and kill him before he does the aoe lightspeed attack twice

if using verso use lv3 for auto revive and monoco has a weapon for revive once on almighty

speedmaxx+stunlock with endbringer/break point/intervention+litheson greater rush/slow

Yikes.
Well the good thing is that since there's a physical edition I can still experience the game the way it was meant to be played as long as I don't patch it.

It's because of Anon Babble. I fucking hate this place. I hate it.

nooooo game too easy!! i can oneshot bosses!!!

Fucking don't use it then you fucking dimwit.
There are a good chunk of use oldschool RPG fans who actually role play in "RPG" and where having big damage is part of the thing.
Fuck off.

What do you mean I have to parry Simon now? AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

What is stendhal? Never seen this skill before

This. As expected from a game made by FF8 chads

they literally said they want you to break the game, they just don't want it to be too easy, I mean you just press one button with stendahl

Maellefags taking another L. Verso will be the strongest character with Sciel as support

you didn't beat the game

I used it to one shot simon with like 87m damage and I'm not sorry.

Speedrunners in shambles kek

Yes, now that I've beaten the game abusing Maelle, Verso, and Sciel, I believe they should nerd Maelle's skills, her arena sword should only be obtainable by beating Golgra, nerf Verso's Sword from the Crimson Forest, and a lot of Sciel's buffing kit

Maellefags did not beat the game, confirmed by devs

What level should I be at to start Renoir's Drafts? I bought it on PS5 do maybe I can use it to grind to 99 and BTFO Simon before these faggots ruin it.

What about about Medalum which does literally 2.5x damage of other weapons for no reason?

It's the press button and boss dies skill and it was glorious until someone let the "balance the single player game" faggot into the room.

it put the game in games journalist mode

They could nerf Maelle by 90% and she would still onetap

their game their rules

It's not their game. It's literally Maelle's game and wriggers need to fuck off.

Why does Sciel now get to be the best support AND dps while Maelle isn't competent at anything?

doesn't matter.
verso with 3 combo attacks, burn on base attack based on rank+ double burn + cheater = turn 1 100+ burn stacks.
fire a burning canvas on that shit and you're already looking at 15 mil+ damage

and if that's not enough, you can use gradient charge bullshit to give maelle a turn 1 gommage which is even stronger than stendahl.

FIRST VERSO NOW THE DEVS REEEEEEEEEEEEE GIVE ME BACK MY FANTASY GIVE ME BACK MY DAMAGE I WAS ABLE TO ONE-SHOT SIMON I WAS THE PERFECTEST GIRL IN THE ENTIRE PAINTING PLEASE PLEASE GIVE IT BACK THAT WASN'T RIGHT THAT WAS OURS PLEASE THIS IS MY FANTASY, MY FINAL FANTASY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

only if it's past level 20 right? if it's below I still beat the game right?

stendhal babies btfo

I believe so

90+ without the 1 shot, but u can clear the trash mobs way before

levels don't do much

I'm at 84. Maybe I'll just go in and use Phantom's Fury to grind levels on trash. What should I be to 1 shot Simon? I've alresdy been playing this game for 65 hours and I'm not interested in having to do mechanics again, I just want the platinum.

i think it's one of the most important indicators of a great game that you are extremely overpowered in the late game. having bullet sponges doesn't convey the same sense of progression. they could increase the mob density or attack variety in late encounters. I have seen streamers struggle with E33. it's totally fine if people, who invest more into their build or side content, to one shot stuff. It was the same for me with Elden Ring, just by doing side content and over leveling i could 5 shot Malenia and it would be outrageous to ask for balance.

youtube.com/watch?v=sokZS4Kg104
In the game this broken, you do not need to rely on a single ability to beat everything. Have to be a bit more creative.

Put all the damage luminas on Maelle, give her Medalum and cast Stendhal. Simon? Simoff.

iirc the 2nd phase hp is 60-70 mil just test it out on random mobs see if its possible, then the level doesn't matter

Already beat Simon with it so not my problem. And you can still do a fuckton of damage with Verso or Monoco so you can probably still oneshot him with something else

The multi hit stuff is only good pre-9999 cap break after that it's all about getting the highest dmg in one hit

I think the highest I've seen her do with Stendhal so far is 10.5 million but that's with fighting in a party. Obviously I'm not high enough to one shot Simon if he has 70 million hp but maybe if I send her in solo with all the last stand pictos she'll be closer.

is the average Stendhal tard really so brain-dead that they don't know about turn 1 Gommage?

figures I guess since most of you tards don't even understand the game and just look up "overpowered build" on YouTube

You can still one shot without Stendhal. Their balance team is retarded and doesn't know how to balance without the 9999 damage cap

Stendhal's animation is cooler. If I'm going to one shot everything it's important I look cool while doing so.

Yeah, i imagined something was wrong with it when i killed the final phase of the last boss in a single turn because Stendhal took 80% of its HP.

roulette and the sciel buff do a lot of the heavy lifting, the rest is just stacking every % luminas

Yeah, I was underwhelmed by the animation on that, too. For the strongest attack I expected something cooler looking, like a bunch of flower petals and paint everywhere instead Maelle just moves her hand and the colors turn black and white and that's it.

I think her other strong single target attack is cooler than Strendhal, the one were she pokes her sword multiple times before attacking. Even the voiceline is better

Do you have a level 33 Medalum? It's even more of a cheat than Stendhal.

Kinda stupid since every fight is just waiting and pressing the parry button until the enemy drops to 0. If people wanted to do that more they just would have used something else.

the animation is fine but I don't know why they didn't just add gommage flower petals if you kill someone with it

never bother with maelle. how do you set up a turn 1 gommage? just pictos shit?

Stendhal nerf

good

Yes I have it. I thought that was a given

stage 10 trial 1

HOW FUCKING MANY ARE THERE GOD FUCKING DAMNIT

11

charging attack, charging burn, charging critical, charging mark etc. base attack cheater setup on another character. for me it was verso because you also get free 120 burn stacks with the corpeso weapon or what it was called.

verso won.

i can't do it anymore

got it. burn stacking while pumping your gradient up seems like it would be insanely powerful now that i'm thinking about it, especially if you start out iwth auto-death, death break, survive etc.

why are devs trying to balance their game?

Anon, there's 11 stages with 3 trials each because that way there's 33 total fights

My day is ruined

Maelle gets nerfed and BTFO even in her fantasy cope land

Ohnononononononononononono Maellesisters this can't be happening to us....

2 minutes.

Maelle does that fight in 3 seconds.

that's dumb this game is dumb kino

Not anymore. Time to grow up, Maellefags

All the attacks are missing facial animations and emotion.

first thread of this I've ever seen that talks about the gameplay systems and not just muh ending, muh writers muh clea, renoir and aline

Everyone's talking about their op builds but the strongest character I've got is verso who I just set up to get as much ap as possible from shooting and then use follow up to do like 2 mil

Piratechads wins again

hopefully with the maelle nerf more interesting set ups will be talked about.

2 mil is good damage in most cases BUT in the context of the superboss it's just 5%

Any dev insisting that a single player game needs to be balanced deserves to immediately be fired. I thought FFVIII was this nigger's favorite FF and that game is fundamentally busted.

You can always download older versions on Steam with the console.
Only gamepass gets fucked

so basically if you used stendhal, you didn't beat the game

We lost Writergods...

All single player games have balance.
That is why you aren't doing 1 million damage at lvl 1.

Even in FF8 Ultimecia tanked multiple renzokukens, Stendahl is on whole other level

First week and a half threads talked more about gameplay, only the last few days as more and more anons finish the game have been all-in on the ending autistm

Guess I'll have to figure out how to break the game then. Most of my fights take like 20 minutes with 40 parries or something

The reason why they're doing this is because we're getting more stages in the Endless Tower and some kind of superboss there too. Both wouldve been cheesed way too easily with Stendhal

Reals chads abuse Irvine for better DPS

Yes freeaim shot + auto is stupidly easy to build. Verso and Maelle have fire weapons for more burnstacks but everyone can do it from the middle of act 1. It just keeps scaling all the way to Simon no issues where you can even add near insatnt full 3/3 gradiant meter to the stupid shitfest.
The game really exposes a lot of people on various dies. JRPG haters thinking this most braindead rushdown JRPG of all time ha any strategic depth, JRPG lovers needign story mode ebcause they can't equip the obvious "WIN MORE" pictos, rightwing grifters not crying about "dei chins" and charcters standing in the empty void fo a menu, etc.

GOOD. I wasn't going to use it anyway, and I'm just about to hit endgame. Fuck you fags for trivializing content.

Verso's Simon sword is pretty busted. Overload and if an enemy is tanky, just spend 20 minutes whittling them down while you're invincible.
I think they need to buff other attacks then. All the other characters drop off so severely in damage output. Other characters should be able to easily hit the 500k mark with solo buffing.

Don't xbox and ps5 make devs certify patches? And doesn't that take awhile? Players on PS and Goypass may have till next week before they get the nerf.

These frogs think they made a chink gacha game lmao

you still have one day left

*laughs in pirated copy*

never used
never looked up builds
never struggled

the weapon you get from beating the hardest boss in the game is busted

Anon, there's a difference between micromanaging singleplayer fun and believing pic related might just be a tiny bit broken

That's a mark of a good game lol. Bg3 was almost all waifu shit flinging, or pol bait shit no story and no gameplay talk

If you didn't break the game by yourself you have below average IQ

I thought doing the tower was harder. The three bosses with double turns each was annoying

Bg3 was almost all waifu shit flinging

Which is weird because all the girls except minthara are pretty awful, and minthara is just a female Regill from Wrath of the Righteous

The avarage retard (gamer) is fucking stupid.
They watch video about a game -> Get spoilered -> Algorythm gives more videos -> One basedfaced retard makes video about Op weapon -> Avarage mongrel watches video -> Uses the same tactic

Take for example me:
I have 45 hours and didnt know the attack because i didnt use it. I use a verso no hit built and i make like 50k damage with one attack

I mean you can just Gommage people and it'll still do a ton of damage. I'll let the autists figure out the limits on that ability.

everyone can do it from the middle of act 1

Did i miss a picto or something? Because i don't know how to gain AP from shooting. I see the marked shot + energizing mark but thats it. How the fuck are you gaining multiple AP per shot?

14 mil is like 10% of stendhal's dmg

A prepped Rain of Fire stomps pretty much anything already.

Minthara was the only one that even acted like a woman. A Bitchy dom one. The men were more feminine in their actions than the others females

Yeah, but also not the limit on Gommage. Just get better setups.

You're reading it wrong. It did 9 500 000. As the kill shot. I wasn't setting it up autistically trying to maximise the damage. I don't know the limits of it. I wasn't looking shit up I just decided to try the Maelle lvl 3 instead of Monoco's lvl 3.

He's using Energy Master and Beneficial Contamination. Those are not act 1. You can start shooting in act 1 and it works, but it keeps getting stronger as you go. And never reaches the levels of Maelle oneshot builds.

You keep getting pictos to add to make free aim do more. I think getting the mark, burn chance and start of battle ap will be enough to start doing that+ default attack.

I think I am going insane with the discourse of this game. I swear socials keep feeding me retard playstion nromalfags that brag about how this is their top 5 game of all time and how they feel no shame switching to story mode because they were too busy mouthbreathing instead of equipping any pictos for their damage.

I mean, I really am considering whether or not this game enters my top 10. I cannot believe it exists, coming from the team it did and with its soundtrack, narrative and outright plethora of kino moments. I don't play most modern games yet this one broke me in. Ask me again in a year.

It's in my top 3.

Not my top 5 but probably the best game I played this year

currently on the paintress on my first run, lunes lightning dance and versos double hit sword is the most broken shit i could find so far

this broke me

10/10 made me mad and reply

yfw you realize Gustave would've known Renoir's name as that of Expedition Zero's commander but he never got to hear it before dying

ESL-kun, look up what "break someone in" means in the context of not playing modern vidya and this one having come out just two weeks ago

We don't even know if Renoir was expedition zero's commander

kek

balancing in single player game

We do
I swear you niggers paid 0 attention to the game and still feel the need to come here and try to discuss it

Easily top 5 and likely top 3

single player rpg with no online features or planned/announced content updates

balance patch

devs on record want you to break the game but now don't trust players enough to not ruin their own experience

retards

devs on record want you to break the game but now don't trust players enough to not ruin their own experience

Players are retarded

Bragging about only speaking english won't make you less of a retard. You let the pretty visuals and music fool you into thinking that these characters have any depth and that act 3 isn't completely ruining what they had going with the expedition theme.

I can still one shot pretty much everything without using Stendhal so nothing changes for me.

Yeah that's fine.

extreme damage skill do 20 million

high damage skill 170 million

One shot endgame boss on accident with it

I don't know his death hit so hard. Felt like we were trapped in the wrong timeline

More like a bug fix imo. This is a high damage skill that for some reason does absurd damage. An extreme damage skill can't get anywhere near its damage.
Extreme skill will do like 20-30 million damage for example. Stendhal will do 170 million.

What games do you consider have good writing?

Nta but Act 2 does that already, it stops being about the expedition REALLY fast if you're paying attention

Did they add a visual indicator for the dodge parry timing yet?

Stendhal needs 0 setup to deal 10 times the damge every other skill does with 0 setup

Sciel's buffing kit

I've had her benched the whole game and only used her gradient into twilight slashes when my frontline wipes, what does she do?

Yes, its in the settings menu under KILL YOURSELF

Just play on easy mode if that's your excuse for not even being able to dodge.

fine, I'll go back to playing terraria with my gf instead.

I doubt it. Maelle is still strong as fuck even without stendhal.

I've just been stacking burn as high as possible and going from there. Haven't finished Act 3 yet so maybe that falls off at some point.

as soon as I'm done with her

You'll notice your health bar deplete shortly after you should have pressed parry/dodge.

be me

use Maelle

nice 500k damage on this boss with one of my skills

friend goes BRO JUST USE STENDHAL

ok it's just some cheaper skill with high damage but whatever

Do 50 million damage

Yeah I get it. When you're just hitting endgame you can accidentally oneshot bosses with it. Later in endgame you'll be able to oneshot anything anyway.

here's a balance change
FIX THE FUCKING PERFORMANCE!!
and the jittery, grainy visuals while your at it.

Since the expeditions were just a way to get the chroma sealed by Nevrons it wouldn't make sense if fake Renoir was leading one, right?

People need to be protected from themselves because they're retarded and don't deserve freedom

Is there a way to turn off all the smog everywhere? I don't see anything for it in the graphics settings.

too late lmao

works on my machine, third worlder

upgrade your toaster, my 700$ prebuilt runs it flawlessly

good thing pirated it lol

I rushed through the game and made it to paintress and my characters are lvl 30-33
I don't do enough dmg and I'm too lazy to back and fight mobs
This is where my journey ends lads

Kek, based devs for choosing that image.

You can already Gommage in one or two turns.
Use auto death + breaking death and the gain gradient charges on break pico. Then you have Verso (the second strongest character) with 4 base attacks + 15% charge on base attack for 1.2 charges just from him. With 2 enemies I am pretty sure you get 3/3 in one turn. With 1 enemy (like Simon) you get to 2/3 in one turn and then can get 3/3 during Maelle's next turn which is fine cause you stunned the boss. Then you just Gommage and one shot them.

You also can use Verso to get 200+ burn stacks on them and use Canvas Burns for decent damage too.

Pat will quit his playthrough now

You can just fight the stuff in the previous area
mobs are the quickest way to upgrade your weapons and the one of the only ways to get new ones what were you thinking anon

Then you have Verso (the second strongest character) with 4 base attacks

I swear there's something bugged with him, I somehow got six or seven moves in a row against Scavenger.

You can get extra turns based on speed but maybe you did get some bug I dunno

what the fuck is stendhal?
is it a late game skill for Maelle? I just got to Act 2

so i get that the letter is like the dark souls grading on the stat affecting your main weapon damage or something but what about the sword symbol with no letter beside it?

You can do it. Just parry for 30 minutes.

You see those locked skills on the right side of her tree? It is one of them and it is super busted. Don't get discouraged though, there are a lot of retarded strategies this was just the most braindead "hurr durr I 1 shot the final boss" thing ever.

Just respec sciel for intervention and all set, equip 100% crit on lune, crit burn is 25% alone. Then just spam trick + genesis

Might just increases your damage. Generally by less than if the weapon had like A or S scaling, but more than if it had B or below, but the other stats give other benefits too. So you might get less damage but some more speed, HP, defense, or cit.
Also nigga leave this thread don't get spoiled.

It definitely wasn't speed, my other party members were still there. It was during his "vanish" phase so I did popped some masks, base attacked, then duelliste gave me a free attack so I free aimed to pop a few masks, then base attacked again, then it was my turn again and I repeated that a few times

It's just a flat damage increase on every weapon. I think it increases by 10 for each point but not sure about it.

"Might" increases your attack with everything. The letters are the scaling of whatever weapon you're using right now if you switch to another weapon those stats won't scale your attack any more.

i get it now. thanks for giving me the ballpark to where might lies on the letter scaling equivalent. that would have bugged me for a long time, im sure.

your

Definitely a (You) problem.

amd? i had to messy with a bunch of shit before cutscenes could even play.

I play on PS5 and like fifty percent of people don't have the trophy for Monoco joining the party, don't listen to anything those retards say.

game has button that removes all damage and hits back for big damage on very single attack in the game

decides to remove strong attack instead

alright I guess
I pirated it, thus no updates so idgaf but I find it funny they care about balance in a game with 2 buttons per attack that either stop all damage or stops all damage and counter attacks

all the shitters revealing themselves ITT who only got through the optional bosses by stendhal maxxing with sciel/maelle

Tied for the best JRPG with SMTVV, so top 2. Wukong's 3rd.

Reddit gamers who switch to story mode shouldn't be listened to. They're just followers who don't know what they're talking about. This game wasn't even on their radar until it became popular otherwise they would've complained about the lack of black protagonists before it came out.
It's the curse of the game becoming popular unfortunately. All you can hope for is that devs will never EVER listen to these mouthbreathers.

You give them their story mode difficulty and quarantine them there.

Beat the whole game without even knowing that skill was a thing lmao.
Last Chance into Sword Ballet will delete everything, and the super boss gets deleted by a single Gommage.

does everyone here use in medias res? i was getting killed in one or two hits either way so i just invested in my damage stats instead of vitality and defence

Wait I didn’t get this weapon…

auto death

survival thing that resurrects you at 1 hp

at deaths door (50% more dmg if health is below 10%

glass cannon

some shit that gives you shields on death

another picto that gives you dmg based on shields

forget all the names but this is a pretty meta setup for your maelle/verso

how much estrogen do I need to enjoy balance patches in a singleplayer game?

Yeah media res and then the shit that increases damage when you got shields on. I prefer shields over hp except for one encounter

Stendhal is literally bottom of the barrel when it comes to the broken strats. People only use it because it's easy as fuck and requires barely any setup outside of having the damage pictos and Sciel (Sciel isn't even needed for the majority of fights either if your strategy is one shot spam)
Are they nerfing Gommage as well? Or the pictos that make it an absolute joke to gather gradient charge?

You could oneshot Simon with just solo Maelle, Medallum and Stendhal. Now you'll just have to use Maelle + Sciel and one other sacrifice to auto-death cover Maelle in Shields. Same effect.

All this nerf does is make the oneshot setup not completely brainless. You can still oneshot anything in the game.

No. Just Stendhal because it's outdamaging everything including gommage without any sort of setup required.

the real issue is that EVERY buff in the game is multiplicative. That is absolutely retarded and shows the devs don't understand math.

Yep, Sciel's final path is so laughably bad for a 9 AP extreme move. It does like low single target 1 hit damage. Worthless dogshit.

What is it with a load of the game's banger tracks not even being on the official OST?
youtu.be/VB72zMi1eLU?t=50

I think it's the strongest thing you can do on first strike turn

Maelle isn't even that good until act 3. She was just useful for stacking burns for consistent damage. Lune and Monaco were the easiest for just doing minimum 3 hit 9999

about tree fiddy cups

I'm getting really fucking tired of getting one shot

I just started act 2 and I've been basically one-shotting every encounter with maelle on turn 1. does the game get any harder?

git gud

.

wait a few days for your government mandated nerfs lel

yeah it gets harder once you stop using maelle with the medalum weapon, otherwise no you'll just one shot everything in the game, have fun

How in act 2? Are you on baby mode?

if you're using her Medalum weapon, it's bugged and your base damage before any buffs is increased by 200%. If you're not and just stacking pictos, the game will actually get even easier in act 3 because the damage cap is removed.

Might be the worst balanced mainstream game I've ever seen honestly

at what

parrying

why

there was this shit not long ago

It's probably for the best considering my ass one shotted Clea with it and I'm pretty sure you can do the same with Simon. It was very clearly overtuned.

what kind of faggot would willingly choose to use a build that just one shots everything before the fight even begins? lmao, couldn't be me

When every damage bonus is multiplicative and there's no damage cap it can only end up as one of two things

you tune bosses for non-minmaxers and minmaxers oneshot everything

or

you tune bosses for minmaxers and non-minmaxers can't even scratch them

Okay but you shouldn't be able to one shot super bosses.

Why?

Because then they aren't super bosses. They're flaccid bosses and we get enough of that out of you in the bed room.

wrong

Does anyone have to double tap the movement keys to do shit other than move?

wasd not working well on the map

w needing to be pressed twice to use the ability on w

etc

how tf do i fast travel to previous biomes

you do not

How much longer do PS5 ans Xbox have before the nerf? I just want the platinum as soon as possible so I can do a ng+ playthrough and I have no interest in doing Simon and Clea legit on this run.

Okay, what's a super boss then?

it's because of the garbage eating, shit fucking, cum drinker, piss inhaler speed runners, I hate them so fucking much and I hope they all die.

what is the meta tier list?
i'm still in act 2 but so far it's

S Tier:
Verso
Sciel (just to give more turns to Verso)

A+ Tier:
Maelle

D Tier:
Gustave
Lune

ain't nobody got time for that:
Monoco

A boss but super. Usually post game ones that require you to be autistic and max out all your stats or master a game perfectly. I shouldn't be able to spend 5 mins in the menu, load up the fight and auto win

b-b-but

We get it, you can't beat them legit. Skillets aren't acknowledged though.

People have a tendency to optimize the fun out of a game if it takes no effort to figure out how to do so. You see this all the time with people whining about the game being boring and easy (they're using the overpowered build/exploit they saw online and are oneshotting everything).

As a game designer it's kinda your job to either cut that shit out with a scalpel or make it at least mildly obscure so only people who're actively trying to break the game do so.

it shouldn't be multiplicative in the first place, it's fucking retarded. There's a reason every online game makes buffs additive. Shit like this really shows their development inexperience

require you to be autistic and max out all your stats

skill

Okay

this looks awful

I actually have her and sciel benched and use verso, lune and monoco, haven't used her act 3 skills

Sciel has a passive weapon ability that grants a party wide Rush while also debuffing the enemy party with slow
She can double the damage of any party member.
She can also make any party member act immediately
She can do a cheap full party heal while damaging the opponent at the same time
Sciel is the best support in the game by far.

What JRPGs have you played?

found the first spearguy miniboss. dying to him repeated made me realize two things. one, i need to turn down every fucking lighting setting cause my fucking eyes are burning in this map. and two, i need to turn off this dynamic camera, i dont need shakey cam in my fucking jrpgs. fucker doing 600 damage per hit when my max hp is like 200. we did it though and i think i have a grasp of the timing now.

act 1-2 sciel + lune
act 3 sciel + anyone really

Maelle is far above the rest and I think she might still be after Stendhal is nerfed. The only thing Verso does better is utility/support stuff. Sciel is blatantly broken but only as a support. Gustave is hard to talk about since he is so limited, but I guess he is the weakest. Lune is difficult to figure out but I managed to make her into a really good multiple-enemy destroyer dealing millions of damage each turn to everything. Monoco is just too much effort to set up and play so I don't think it's ever worth it.

Game patches should be illegal

No. How about you play the fucking piano?

You'll probably still be able to one shot anything with the skill anyway. I smacked Simon with 50m and he dropped instantly with Monoco. I do have 500 lumina on him though.

I just did 19 million damage with Maelle. This shit is nutty.

You don't. You can still one turn him with Maelle's Gommage.

It was the first skill I used after acquiring Painted Power.
Going from 9999 to 7.8 billion was well, quite the jump.

That said. How does burn modifiers even work?
If I apply 100 burn stacks on an enemy with say, Verso or someone, and then have picture related with Maelle and enter Virtuous.
Is the damage still multiplied, or do the burn stacks in question actually need to be applied by Maelle?
Let's say 90 of the burn stacks are applied by Verso but only 10 by Maelle. Is it only those 10 that receive the multiply? I'm assuming so.

Satan in SMT VV

This one?

do you guys use aimed shots to stack verso's rank?

balance patches that nerf builds in a single player game

Did they learn nothing from the failure of Pillars of Eternity?

Stendahl was too strong, i like broken abilities but this one was clearly completely off the charts, something this easy to spam shouldn't hit harder than Steeled Strike or Berserk Slash, not to mention Sciel's conditionals.

instead of 10 skills worth using a character should have only 1

retard

piss easy game becomes slightly less piss easy

Right series, wrong game. VV is broken. Demifiend in DDS is real superboss.

Pillars didn't nerf one ridiculously overpowered skill, it gutted EVERYTHING

Why wouldn't we? SP games don't deserve to have any semblance of challenge and balance, somehow?

The saving grace is that Sciel's best weapon is only found in the last dungeon.

Then don't update and stick with with your beloved crutch.

well?

The dagger.

If a game has a hard mode it should be hard.

I don't care how much you can break the game on normal or below but hard should be impossible to break, only to get strong enough to make it through.

Yeah, why do they bother balancing SP games? Just make me an invulnerable killing machine from the introduction.

Updates are forced unless you're pirating you scum. And even pirates won't be able to avoid the update if they want the upcoming DLC.

the souls games have had single player specific balance patches for a while now and people have been fine with it. they can tune the damage vs enemies and the damage vs. players

it's fine for things to be broken but you need to have effort to find them, just equipping a skill and using it to get 10s of millions of damage is shit

fuck maelle

there are no bugs in single player games
just happy little accidents

Not even 1/100 as bad as the things Verso has done over the years or even what he did to Maelle with Gustave

So, does Verso get away with his invulnerability bug?

Honestly, I doubt it would be much of an issue for DLC since I can't really see DLC for this game integrating into the main campaign. I would much sooner expect some sort of standalone prequel campaign where you start from scratch. Gives them a lot more flexibility with the balance because they no longer have to worry about how players have already built out their party or how far into the game they are.

Verso is such a multi-faced snake his own father literally portrayed him as Visages, he did the same to her by letting Gustave die.

Cuckstave

who cares lmao

watching a stranger die

vs. killing your grief-stricken sister in front of your brother after you already killed their dad

verso did nothing wrong

What she did was worse than what he did to Gustave.
She was extremely malicious.

Peak of irony considering Verso's goal is to kill literally everyone who loves and trusts him, including real Verso's beloved creations, all without trying any other option or even telling them about it. The most treacherous lying sack of shit video game character ever.
He's very well written.

kill literally everyone so his mother and sister can live

Based.

Waiting for Maelle's most beloved person to die horribly so he can then immediately jump in to begin manipulating Maelle and exploit her grief into killing everyone and herself

vs. Fulfilling painted Alicia's request to die but doing it without letting Verso say bye to his fake sister's avatar first

Verso didn't suffer enough in either ending

Paintings are not real, get over it.

Maelle does the same thing when she refuses to honor his wishes like she did with painted Alicia and erase him.

Verso even says they're both (him and maelle) hypocrites.

Fulfilling painted Alicia's request

To return to her family. Now if only there was a way to get them back...

Medalum is bugged, the LVL20 perk doesn't double the burn damage, it doubles ALL VIrtuose damage instead.

little bro is obsessed by verso, literally ignoring everything in game because it doesn't fit his false image of him, lmao

I didn't even know Stendhal was so OP.
I kept using that flourish dance thing and Gommage for massive damage.

3x attack

cheater

attacks give 15% charge

meaning one turn gives 180%/300% towards another Gommage

Yeah when Maelle gets remade with Alicia's memories she immediately starts being dodgy as fuck. I still think nothing she does is as close to as outright evil and unforgivable as Verso not keeping the letter to Maelle for himself, or betraying those who trusted and loved him a second time after promising to earn back their trust.

Meant Verso keeping the letter* i accidentally a word

Yeah when Maelle gets remade with Alicia's memories she immediately starts being dodgy as fuck

noticed this myself

Cringe

She's a different character from Maelle. It's even noticeable in voice direction and the way they animated facial expressions.
At first I thought it was just the hair but it's really noticeable in a lot of the optional Act 3 scenes.

only complete retards sided with maelle

i hate the way she arrogantly tells verso to dodge in battle

And this is why its important to use numbers in your skill descriptions.
How the hell am i supposed to know if Good x 5 is better than Very Good x2 or not?

maella basically turns into alicia who is a spiteful cunt and you're supposed to feel bad for her because of her fucked up face

when she sees your dick

remember: if you beat Simon before the Stendahl nerf, you did NOT beat the game

it shouldn't be multiplicative in the first place, it's fucking retarded

It's called FUN you sour cunt

There's a reason every online game makes buffs additive

Yeah, "balance". Balance its 100% irrelevant in a single player game. Players should be encouraged to break everything and become gods in a single player game.

I will turn off updates
Painter Love was retarded hard even with it

that's your fault for looking up guides and having other people effectively playing the game for you

Maelle dies at the end of act 2. She doesn't exist at all anymore it's just Alicia with Maelle's memories

How in act 2?

Weapon that starts in Virtuoso stance + multiple pictos that give damage buffs on your first attack

Give someone First Strike picto and let them mark an enemy, and then use Percee with Maelle for instant 9999s

Balance changes in a single player game

Almost as cringe as any elden ring patch

siding with a woman

lol
lmao

Players should be encouraged to break everything and become gods in a single player game.

This. Just make the first weapon you get kill every enemy in one hit.

To be fair, Stendhal is pretty ridiculous. HOWEVER, what they should do is only nerfing it on normal and higher difficulty. Let the story mode babies keep their crutch.

Simon phase 2 starts after kill screen

ngl they baited me, I was afraid I was overleveled or something.

Skill issue, mod it back in or use cheat engine

That’s underpowered as fuck though, make the enemies kill themselves instead.

balance changes in a singleplayer game

What is the point.

Nerfing Stendhal is the equivalent of killing the Paintress.

I might be media illiterate but the implication I got was that the fake family that Aline painted in her grief didn't know the truth of their existence yet until after Lumiere broke apart when Renoir entered the canvas to fuck shit up.

So I genuinely do believe they were an actual expedition established to search and rescue any survivors in Old Lumiere like Verso said. Painted Renoir probably did lead the expedition and was desperate to find his "wife" (real Aline) who he probably thought was in mortal peril, not realizing that she was actually the God of their world.

Sometime after that they probably learned the truth of their world and their existence in it, as well as figuring out they're immortal, and shit's all downhill from there. The tragic story practically writes itself which is probably why Expedition Zero is likely going to be a future DLC.

story mode doesn't need it regardless

Endgame is just a bosses rush, even with stand tall I didn't have any fun doing the tower. Anything to make it faster is welcome.

That's balanced again, i.e. boring. They should only kill themselves if Maelle is in the party.

I just one-shotted everything, why didn't I have fun?!

just noticed Verso the first time you enter The Manor

Why didn't Verso help Renoir fight the Expedition at the end even tho both of them wanted to destroy the Canvas? Is he stupid?

you can also see him clearly on the beach picking up maelle when Renoir wipes them out

Because it took me literal hours
I only started using it around stage 8, I had enough

He's on board with Alicia trying to salvage the canvas during act 3.

Then Aline returns to the canvas after he spent so much time getting her out and Renoir shows how absolutely fucked up her real state is and he reverts to the original scorched earth plan, realizing it's the only way to stop Aline (and then Alicia) from suicide.

Because at that point he's on the fence on whether the canvas can be saved or not. Maelle lying to Renoir is what tips him to fully commit to destroying it

That's probably the worst thing about the entire game, I usually don't care for stories, but I was still disappointed by the nosedive the whole story / setting took. I was looking forward to the expeditioners fighting the paintress for the survival of mankind and revenge, not this faggy little family drama.

Medalum is bugged, the LVL20 perk doesn't double the burn damage, it doubles ALL VIrtuose damage instead.

What? That's silly.
But Sciel and Verso have weapons that supposedly multiply Burn damage too. So I suppose the question still applies.

If Verso has double Burn damage but Maelle applied 90 of the 100 burn stacks. What happens to the damage?

oh wait what

That scene creeped me out

never really used Stendhal

try it out

33 million damace

mfw

The timing of his change of heart was a little confusing but now I get it, thanks.

youtu.be/x9LZZ3XRcQk?t=295
4:58
video is pretty shit quality but it's still very obvious