He was based
He was based
He made the best girl Lune cry, so he can go fuck a cactus.
DELETE THIS
Helps to defeat the last boss
"Villain" explains his motives just before he dies
Sees that he is right and decides to side with him
based indeed
very based
how do you know she cried when he fucked her?
Lies and manipulates everyone
Betrays everyone, even the woman he loved
Allowed Gustave to die and cause suffering to Maelle, is pissed when Alicia removes fake Alicia later on
Is a complete hypocrite the entire game
Can only be a meek pussy in his ending
He's a total bitch, like the rest of his family. Maelle's ending is best because it causes all of them to suffer more.
Omg i lied to ChatGPT, sue me
This makes Alicia cry and shit her pants
I'd gladly help her to enjoy life irl, this game legit gave me a burnt face fetish and her being unable to talk makes it even hotter
fucks over everyone
is in the right all the times
How is he so based and powerful?
This makes Alicia cry and shit her pants
I am retarded and swapped the intended attached pic
Why did he choose to erase this?
Esquie would want Verso's soul to stop painting TBHFAM.
Life kept forcing cruel choices
Highly doubt it. Esquie was way too neutral for this.
Game was over, time to uninstall, you will do it yourself
Yes, lot of people might die, but it's a sactifice Verso is ready to take.
Verso was sad.
Guys, just remember:
files.catbox.moe
people
Noone in the painting is a real person (except Maelle and her parents).
I sided with Maelle because the game is dishonest about the ending, I didn't do the Alicia quest and didn't know Maelle would turn into a psycho. When I got to the part the information I had was that she cared about the inhabitants of the canvas and for all we know these people are as real as they can get. Meanwhile Verso spends the whole game betraying the team and witholding information, and now does it again with his main motivation being that he's tired of living as a substitute of someone else.
LUNE IS REAL ENOUGH FOR ME, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
Would you stop considering yourself a real person if simulation theory were to be proven real?
NTA but yes
The game does have an issue of suddenly changing focus and hyperfocusing on that family drama. While this whole Expedition thing (you know, the very thing the player was invested in for last 40 hours) gets rendered irrelevant and the characters you've grown to care about don't even have any say in the matter because "they are not real", therefore, their lives are less meaningful.
But from my meta-perspective as a consumer of this story, Dessendre family are also not real, because they are just characters created by some videogame writer. And unlike the Lumiere people, I have little to no attachment to them, so fuck them.
based on visages, his real version was a suicidal loser who used pretty reasons to cover up his real motivations, same as the painted one
alicia giving him a way to carry it out is part of why her mother hates her so much
it's a repetition of the family hypocrisy
i get to choose how i die but you don't
They do hint at a bit before. When Alicia is about to enter the painting she lies to herself about the reasoning. And when she gets her memory back she leans into the delusion "you're not Verso, but I am still Maelle"
Clea is only on screen for like 3 minutes and I am very attached to her
Gaming and generally art is not escapism, it’s play, art is play, first thing that children do is play, because playing, imitating potential struggles prepares you to deal with them. We are attracted towards art and entertainment not to escape from the reality, but to explore it, and to prepare.
This story puts you in a fantastical wonderful world, asks you to fall in love with it and then it tells you to choose to end it. The lesson is relevant and is clear, as things progress we can create more and more immersive worlds and lose ourselves in it, it’s important not to lose sight of the reality even if your life sucks.
So what this art prepares us for is dealing with that struggle, and I respect it, however first act basically is a lie to immerse the player enough so that this struggle genuinely manifests. And some of us wanted a more straightforward exploration of a fantastical world, with party members and other stuff that would come naturally if the game had a different focus, with story more being an excuse to push you into this journey like in the breath of the wild.
Woah it's almost like... the game specifically did it so you could understand Alicia's point of view...
Guy literally went
Fuck bitches
And exploded his entire universe
Idk, he is based af
What exactly about:
however, first act basically is a lie to immerse the player enough so that this struggle genuinely manifests
You didn’t understand?
Or you didn’t understand what came after?
And some of us wanted a more straightforward exploration of a fantastical world, with party members and other stuff that would come naturally if the game had a different focus, with story more being an excuse to push you into this journey like in the breath of the wild.
Can you not believe that different kind of value exists? And the story did not in fact need to be what it is, and if people complain that they didn’t like what the twist did with the game then it’s a genuine take too?
I do get that, I just wish the game wasn't so heavy-handed about it. The ending approaches the Spec Ops the line level of manipulation.
you had fun with our videogame and grew attached to likeable characters?
fuck you, grow up loser, you don't deserve nice things.
The number on the Monolith protecting those under that age instead of killing those above it was a brilliant twist. You would have been just as dissatisfied if the final boss was the Paintress, she had three forms or something, and then roll credits. Be honest with yourself.
only someone whose never been addicted to anything would take the game's message personally
fuck you, grow up loser, you don't deserve nice things.
You’re being hyperbolic, that is not the take.
That is not the twist in question, are you an idiot?
That is not the twist in question, are you an idiot?
It's the twist that leads into the real twist, and it works. I had a feeling the Paintress would have been one of those villains motivated by sadness, grief, an overwhelming awareness of the reality of death or something, etc. just by looking at her on the minimap.
Again, that is not the issue. Do you even understand what we’re talking about?
My post was about the sentiment this guy expressed , both explaining why the story did what it did, and why it’s still legit if you don’t like it
Choose Maelle ending
The Writers invade the Dessendre and fuck Lumiere up by rewrite everything on the Canvas.
Hope this happens in the DLC. Escaping to the Canvas doesn't mean you are safe from your nemesis.
There is plenty of stuff that can happen to the canvas, even accidentally. It is a sub-world.
I think one the major issue is that the "it's not real:^)" trope the game uses doesn't really work here because the canvas functions more like it's own universe than a place for escapism like in other games that do something similar. If I told you that your entire life since you were born is a lie, all those people you met, all the shit you went through "is not real:^)", all 16 years of it, and you need to destroy it all and kill everyone you wouldn't just accept that.
That's really the main problem with what the game is trying to say, it asks Maelle not to simply let go and face reality but to effectively destroy what is now her home.
that seems like a really retarded out of the way goal
cartel invades your house for the sole reason of deleting the browser bookmarks on your dead brother's computer
He killed thousands just because he was suicidal.
Your mind can be effectively its own universe, but if you live in your imagination, you’re doing it wrong.
Eh, they seem sadistic enough to do that. Manipulating Maelle and letting her brother die in a fire is proof of that. Still, we don't know what their goals are.
Who are the Writers? Is it ever explained in the game beyond the namedrop? We Assassins Creed now, there is a secret war between the Painters and the Writers?
It’s clear that “people” means humans, and they’re not human because they don’t meet the biological definition of human. So whatever they are? Well they are not different from gestrals and stuff, if they didn’t look human no one would call them humans
The initial premise was comfronting this almost natural force that threatens humanity.
As it turns out actual humanity isn’t threatened in any way, in fact they’re the threat, as their reality certainly seems closer to ours than canvas’, with Paris and etc
And the story becomes more about family of supernatural painters, and them overcoming their grief.
Few things here, I don’t care about the painted beings at this point, never cared about gestrals, that’s just how I feel, i went from being fascinated about the canvas world, and truly being emotionally hit by Gustave’s death to wanting to leave to reality and see what is going on there, and being apathetic towards Guatave
You’re free to think it’s wrong of me, but my experience is what it is. I don’t really care about rooting for some alien race for anything, i really didn’t like the movie avatar
I went into the final mission hoping to get some info about this writer vs painter thing
I just wanted some hints on what is *actually* going, in the world that i am now more interested in.
However I didn’t expect the game to take the position that it’s correct to move on from the canvas, so i like and respect the devs for that. As modern western view is that what truly matters effectively is the amalgamation of personality traits. And painted beings certainly have those, Gustave is a splendid being for example. But i don’t follow this school of thought. I am not some wondering soul in a wast universe, i am flesh and bones, i am a continuation of my lineage and part of human race. I am not going to care about foreign beings nearly as much.
it asks Maelle not to simply let go and face reality but to effectively destroy what is now her home.
Maelle dies at the end of Act 2. All there is after is Alicia ascendant with an inmprint of Maelle's memories. Maelle's chroma is gommaged, and Alicia is larping as her. Verso was right, she's not really Maelle.
Alicia is just as much Maelle as she is Alicia.
Considering that Maelle's memories would be a lot more recent she is probably more Maelle than Alicia.
We Assassins Creed now, there is a secret war between the Painters and the Writers?
And probably the third faction: the Musicians. Verso is into piano, and Alicia is into writing (which is why she was easily manipulated by the Writers).
When people say they are real because they love, sorrow, grief, joy, despair. Yes they are real, i am not arguing they are not real, but they not humans, and i am saying in-universe, the issue here isn’t my unwillingness to suspend disbelief, in-universe as of now humans seem to be the ones outside, they might also not be, we’ll see. But painted beings aren’t human for sure, they are made of completely different materials, they are more like spirits of human mind given form, fictional characters that is. Again, in-universe.
As for Maelle, let me just tell you i liked Maelle far more than Alicia, and while she says otherwise, Maelle is gone, the trauma that Alicia experienced overshadows virtually everything else about her, and that girl needs genuine help. She saw what happened to her mother and made the same exact choice, of rejecting her original world because of the pain she endured in it, she’s 16 yeah, but she’s double 16, which is weird but it is what it is. The world she creates in her ending seems like a quiet nightmare, the way it was depicted by the devs.
Ultimately if there isn’t going to be a sequel I would rather this game stay what it was in act1, we’ll see.
Personally, I would never have made up the writers shit. WOuld have probably been better to leave the incident as an accident and for Clea having to deal with burocreacy and insurance companies and wanting Renoir out of the painting for that
Maelles ending is retarded femoid cope.
Lives in a mansion
Ultra rich
Parents love her
Has literal superpowers and can create whatever world she was
Decides to stay in a small village sized town with npc's that now know she is a goddess and will suck her ass or fear her to avoid getting deleted
Lives a literal NPC life in a limited world and fucks her family up
I wish Clea came in and killed everyone to bring her out because Renoir seemed too soft it seems.
Burnt face mute woman would rather fry her brain in VRChat rather than giving me a chance to find happiness together
After letting the ending marinate for a few days Im beginning to feel a little disappointed to be honest. And not the ending cutscenes or whatever, the entirety of Act 3 is just rushed.
I really liked the beginning of the story and the hook. The first hour is absolute brilliance. I just feel it got sidelined to focus more on family drama about a family we barely know anything about. The Expeditioners all get extended, multiple cutscenes to talk about their past, their ideas or problems etc which meaningfully expand who they are and what they want. While the Dessendre family are caricatures of grief and sadness, to the point where thats their ENTIRE purpose for the story - which is fucking impossible to truly care about.
Lune sitting down and just watching Verso erase them all hit harder than the actual ending. It is genuinely nice for a game to just outright say not living in fantasy and accepting truth as being the better option. That doesnt make the ending satisfying or the story feel whole. It almost feels like a giant waste of all the characters etc, which, if that was the point, well done I guess.
You already wrote this post in this thread, stop samefagging
Totally not-Clive
I just realised that her axon was supposed to be the one to reach the skies and she even states she represents hope and in the end she got blue pilled and decided to do 180 turn in her ending. For me that makes Verso's ending canon.
What I enjoy a lot is that there are no villains, just victims trying to do the best for those they care about. You can really empathise with everyone's perspective. That being said, Verso ending is the correct one.
Renoir was just tired after being trapped for 65+ years.
Once he's rested he'll bring Armageddon
Esquie was obviously sad the real Verso couldn't visit anymore. I don't think he'd like to continue knowing a part of real Verso's soul is trapped in a neverending cycle of painting the canvas.
can someone post the IQ bell
I did not, but okay.
I dont really care for your opinion-war either by the way, go jerk off or something to cool off.
took 40 hrs to get to act 3
Literal brainlet.
If there isn’t going to be a sequel yes. The writer stuff makes the story feel incomplete
i had him playing a piano
paintings don't have feelings so i didn't really care about him feeling bad about it
renoir says no, aline says yes, clea doesn't care and says maelle should do what she wants, easy 3 to 1
Without the lumina converter he was pretty shit. Gustave is the only reason the expedition was able to succeed.
clea doesn't care and says maelle should do what she wants
Clea also says she doesn't care about her own mother's life, calls both her parents by their name and essentially tells Alicia to go kill herself for daring being saved by her brother instead of dying in a fire.
best girl
lune
paintings don't have feelings
says who
Maelle's ending is retarded because Verso clearly states he knows she is lying and so does Renoir (about not losing herself in the painting) and they will both eventually try and destroy it again. Also it's implied Aline will always find the canvas, so she as a distraught mother will jump back in to be with him and kill herself irl, it's just a loop
It's the twist that leads into the real twist, and it works. I had a feeling the Paintress would have been one of those villains motivated by sadness, grief, an overwhelming awareness of the reality of death or something, etc. just by looking at her on the minimap.
Lune or Sciel literally even say 'She looks so sad...' They could see this from very far away.
prove me wrong
The number on the Monolith protecting those under that age instead of killing those above it was a brilliant twist.
I played the game, but I must have missed that part? Who says this? Alicia?
clea doesn't care
Clea doesn't care but just spent decades painting murder machines to prevent chroma from returning to Aline? doesn't matter what she says she will eventually want the help of the whole family to defeat the writers and she will be right back there with renoir getting your bitch ass out of the canvas
decide the fate of the canvas
bros what the fuck would Gustave have done..........................
Verso saved Alicia.
Clea is the chaotic evil one.
I respect Alicia's (human) wish for death more than Verso's (painting)
He, and Maelle would have found a third way, a different path that didn't involve killing the paintress. But only if they were given the letter.
And probably the third faction: the Musicians
holy shit they would mog anything HARD as music is something the closest we have to being divine/godly. Art and writing hasn't got shit to music (vibrations), which can invoke even something primal in your dna and rna
she is a neutral evil
Wouldn't Verso and Maelle be switched around? Maelle/Alicia is the one breaking the Painters', or at least her father's rules.
how did you miss that part? its written in the letter from Alicia, she is protecting everyone under the age of the monolith number from the gommage as her power weakens, it gets lower every year because chroma isn't returning to her body thanks to Clea, so Renoir is slowly but surely getting the edge on her
Clea is a bit of a bitch but she's not evil, she wants her family to stop fucking around because they're supposed to be fighting a real war in the real world, not playing make-believe.
The writers are actually the devs. It's a metacommentary about the plot.
I think Gustave would have sided with Verso after realizing Alicia wouldn't get the fuck out for a minute in order to not die. especially after all of Lumiere already died anyway
"b-but she can have them come back"
Good job having the message of accepting grief go over your head
Hey we got a Canadian in the thread, wants to let 16 year olds kill themselves
I bet you the conflict isn't even really a big deal. Probably some gay political stuff between corporations. Besides, Clea said she could solo whatever's going on anyways, so it can't be that bad.
Clea is closer to lawful evil, she fully understands the need to get her mother out of the portrait and uses the nevron as targeted instruments to wreak havoc on expeditioners, no chaos involved
She's chaotic evil in the context of the canvas world, in the context of her reality she's just neutral
It was serious enough to kill verso
she involved herself in the painting purely because she needs her father out of it fighting writers alongside her and skewed the deadlock towards him
not because of any morality family feel good shit
Yeah because Alicia is a dumb naive brat that probably fell for some stupid trick
The moment gustave realises he could have sophie back he'd fall for the same cycle of grief as everyone else and refuse to give up the canvas. Obviously the best ending would be for maelle to leave and the canvas the continue, being left alone by the whole family but it was clear that wasn't going to happen.
these retards are prisoners of the moment huh
the game is fantastic 10/10 kino but it runs like SHIT and they've done nothing but glaze it
She has the best battle theme
Winning the battle is the depending on how you can synchronize with the game's OST
Please no, that will be a nightmare to play.
She's just as much a victim in it all
because she needs her father out of it fighting writers alongside her and skewed the deadlock towards him
not because of any morality family feel good shit
and why do you think that is? because they just killed Verso, so logically the rest of the family are at great risk, and she is obviously griefing in her own way about Verso
The moment gustave realises he could have sophie back
Gustave dumped Sophie lol
Maelle begging Renoir for "just a little more" like some junkie negotiating for his fix was absolutely grotesque. The canvas had to go.
and was filled with regret for doing so
I wish Clea came in and killed everyone to bring her out because Renoir seemed too soft it seems.
Sequel. WE play Renoir in his prime.
What kind of potato pc do you have? I maxxed everything on my 3070ti and it works perfectly, unlike shit like FF16 or Wo Long
I have a 5090 and it barely hits 100 fps maxed out with DLSS Quality. I had to use smooth motion to hit 160 fps.
He left her because he was focusing on saving everyone, not because he wanted to leave her.
I was under the impression he left her because she didn't want any children
Clea best girl, level headed like Renoir but with all the sexiness of maelle, also painted over Simon and turned him into a fucking gigachad
You know, maybe it’s Alicia and Aline that needed to go. If you think about it, they were the issue, real life Renoir and painted Verso could perfectly coexist
When they really want to take Alicia out, they'll get Clea to just paint over her and force her out of the canvas.
why would you need more than 100fps in a turn based jarpig
Yes, Gustave would:
Go against Maelle's wishes to preserve her safety when he already did the opposite with her participation in the expedition (Why Maelle with memories likes him more than Verso)
Work to render the effort of the Expeditions meaningless
Work to nuke his apprentices and sister
Work to ensure Sophie stays gone
So that the man who let him die and strung them all along gets his wish
So the beings of the higher plane have good vibes in their pantheon
I can understand viewing Verso as the good ending
I can't understand Versofags just creating entirely different characters in their heads
Verso wanted to fucking die already and Renoir didn't really want to be inside the painting to begin with. The ONLY reason he wants to destroy it is because Aline and Alicia can't stop killing themselves with it. Yes, it's kinda retarded for him not to just store it in a locked room somewhere until they stop having an unhealthy relationship with it. Maybe time doesn't actually pass in the painting if no one is there to observe it?
Renoir
Old (Punished) Verso
Gustav
Who else will Renoir recruit for the Maellevengers?
Gotta love all the people missing out that Clea supports Alicia using the canvas to grow and mature faster than the real world so she can help better on the outside.
Source: the tower
Her staying in the canvas would just hone her powers in a couple of days and not destroy her like her washed up parents. It's the same shit Clea did and why she's much better at the whole thing vs Aline and Renoir
Why do people like Clea so much while hating Verso? Clea was far more monstrous than Verso to the canvas inhabitants. Hell what she did to Simon and painted Clea is so damn evil.
Clea literally connected with painted Verso and told him to look out for Alicia. She’s a good girl
Hopefully writters don’t brutally rape her and force Renoir to watch
swapping out lune or sciel for clea's model when
I fucking love Clea the moment I saw her. Then she stated all those things you said and I want to marry this woman and live in that big fucking mansion in Paris. We make children while parents and lunatic sister play gods vs titans in those stupid paintings.
Clea is a fucking prodigy and there is no implication anywhere that Maelle is any more talented than Aline or Renoir (who both needed to be saved from a canvas) so the idea that she would just pop into the tower for a 'couple of days' is so absurd that it basically dismisses the entire foundation of there being any risk whatsoever
Now it came back to me... thank you anon, and sorry.
Clea was far more monstrous than Verso to the canvas inhabitants
she doesn't see them as actually living, she views the canvas as just as vrchat drug that can kill if people take too much of it. Which it absolutely is.
Imagine being a young writer and encountering irl Alicia in some painter gallery
Oh, the sweet Romeo and Juliet romance!
I honestly picture Clea will be the one who rapes. In a "if it's your Putain de Merde mind against my Putain de Merde mind. I don't think you realize how outmatched you are"
spent decades painting murder machines
You absolute fucking brainlet speedreader.
Gustave would just invent Lumina Converter V2 which sustains the canvas world without needing RealVerso's soul
That is true, but family is family and he loves his junkie wife and daughter.
Simon loved painted Clea, was corrupted by Renoir, but given power by real Clea.
The only bad thing Clea did was force painted Clea to stop being melodramatic and force her to paint more Nevs while she did shit outside.
Verso wanted it all to end because he saw that his mother and sister are mentally ill, he wanted himself out of this cursed bs already
If they weren’t mentally ill he would have different experiences
>Go against Maelle's wishes to preserve her safety when he already did the opposite with her participation in the expedition (Why Maelle with memories likes him more than Verso)
He would do it PRECISELY because she's not safe in the painting
>Work to render the effort of the Expeditions meaningless
The expeditions are already meaningless, most they can do is kick out the admin from the server just for them to come back
>Work to nuke his apprentices and sister
They were already nuked
>Work to ensure Sophie stays gone
She was gone and he accepted it because he was not a manchild. When people die they should stay dead and the world moves on, otherwise everything is static if everyone's immortal, like a... painting?
>So that the man who let him die and strung them all along gets his wish
He would not care about Verso, he WOULD care about Alicia dying in a world which to her is just a fantasy she can rewrite to avoid living a real life, and by that I mean with struggles, feelings which she can't retcon and shiiet instead of staying a 16 yo child
>So the beings of the higher plane have good vibes in their pantheon
So his sister can ascend to the higher plane she belongs to
what? was painted clea not in there creating nevrons all that time?
I didn't think about that, but your idea would be KINO!
notes and sound off
you get hit
perfectly aligned rhythm
999'999 damage
one of the best games ever made
and yes i picked maelle's ending
Nah she’s actually a good innocent girl, she just acts cold.
She’s Francois basically
So yeah, she’s getting raped, brother is dead can’t protect her
I can't understand Versofags just creating entirely different characters in their heads
common mistake
they think he's a well-meaning brother and not some chronic liar who just wants to die
What the fuck was his problem?
Gustave, Sciel and Lune deserved so much more.
relegated to the draft inbox
tragic
based Verso (Mask Keeper)
Noko
game is based, the women (apart from Clea) are just fucking drug addicts while the men are trying to get them back to reality
he would do all that to get Maelle clean from her addiction and have her actually work get grief out
Yes.
Simon and Clea
I saw some streamer playing verso with jet black hair. Is that a mod or where can I get that in game?
Regardless of Verso's true intentions, it is absolutely true that letting Maelle continue was suicide and delusional.
I feel like that was only the first real crack in their relationship, which paved the way to the greater issue that their viewpoints would forever be diametrically opposed. Sophie has no hope for the future and only sees a doomed world, which is why she didn't want to bring children into it. Meanwhile Gustave refuses to stop believing that the expeditions can eventually stop the Paintress, and commits his life to working tirelessly towards that goal, which is why he wants to have kids who can live in that future he's fighting for.
It's very difficult for two people with such drastically differing life philosophies to co-exist together, which is why they eventually broke up. I don't think having kids was really the make-or-break issue, because it's not like Gustave chose to have kids with someone else anyways after he broke up with Sophie.
Time moves way different in the painting though. Who knows how many days it's been for how many years in the canvas. 16 years hasn't been hard on Alicia because it's been maybe a few days, unlike the months that have passed for the adults so far.
A few more days in the painting would be years more experience for Alicia to hone her skills as a painter fully unleashed. And it's not like she would be trapped there, she would be able to come and go as she pleased just like Clea. It's Renoir and Aline that had the hardon for staying until the job was finished that it fucked everything up
he may have just had the inverted debuff, which turns the characters completely black
Renoir hair after beating the final boss
I'd give anything to prostrate myself before Clea and pledge my life to her war against the Writers while kissing her bare feet.
she would be able to come and go
Alicia was never going to leave
DLC bonus from the collector's edition
Painted Clea, yes. The discussion wasn't about painted Clea, though.
Gustav abandoned the Expedition and wants to get Maelle and GTFO back to Lumiere.
He only got convinced to stay because moving forward was the best way Maelle will have a future other than here measely 8 year orphan life.
When he was about to die he looked at Maelle saying "for those who come after", implying her. He didn't shout it in the sky to imply humanity.
Lune
Literally the worst written character in the game.
Why does no one ask how young Verso feels?
This is how i know Maellefags are evil
Would actually be a nice DLC/sequel bait.
Having a French revolution aesthetic of Renoir trying to take down Queen Maelle.
you should see the strange shit they post
they are the type to unironically think a jrpg protag would
let everything die because the big bad will inevitably return in the future
side with the god who wants to destroy everything because he swears he'll remember them and is of a more meaningful existence than they
off all of their loved ones because of one in particular
their ramblings resemble fujoshi pairings
Not while her parents keep fighting over it, no. She doesn't want them to destroy it, but she also doesn't want it as a grief cycle either. It's why she doesn't bring back Gustave.
The only reason she became trapped in the first place was Aline's chroma power taking over and forcing her to become a painting person (Maelle)
Imagine Clea dominated, stripped, humiliated, all in public
God why are writers so terrible?
Young Verso is a kid. You can literally groom them to loving to paint ala
Do you wanna continue doing super fun painting stuff, or kill millions of people
what did I say that was wrong? I implied Clea obviously did care because she painted over Aline's Clea to start producing nevrons in order to shift the balance to Renoir, she was obviously invested in him winning even regardless of the words she left Maelle in the tower
Why Maelle with memories likes him more than Verso
IT IS THE ULTIMATE AND FINAL KEK
THINK ABOUT IT LOGICALLY
Enslaving children is wrong, especially spirits of dead children.
Maelle can just go to another canvas and make up a new Gustave
indeed.
The "she should just go to another canvas xD" retards are starting to irritate me actually
fujoshi
Imagine the game where they're part of the writer's guild
Because there is no rebuttal
Verso always wanted to end it all but seeing Alicia lie to her father visibly troubled him in the cutscene. He care about her and Aline is still his mother so he knew the danger of being addicted and knew the pain of seeing someone you love being under addiction.
monoco has to suffer through dozens of noco rebirths changing him and destroying his memories every time
wahhh maelle cant just repaint people in another canvas its too hard
Because that statement is so retarded that it's not even worth addressing. If you played the game and paid any sort of attention you'd know why.
The trademark JRPG God that gets punched was never an innocent girl/daughter that the protag raised before.
So yes. He would choose to save her
I'm not crying. You're crying.
clea and renoir brought calamity to his canvas to force the mother out then soiface at the kid being in distress
it's hilarious
renoir knows she is lying
verso resists her until she starts pulling strings
aline WILL find the painting again
verso ending was the only option, otherwise its only a matter of time before Renoir and Clea are back in there slapping some sense into those whores
I played the game and got the good ending where Maelle leaves the canvas and lets baby Verso's soul rest, she can still just go to another canvas, she didn't die
Piano. Now.
Alicia can just take the chroma from Verso's canvas and create a new one with her friends.I'm a Verso chad now.
Not canon
Hey um guys, why didn't the Paintress just stop being depressed and make a new canvas??? Is she retarded?
Yeah, a retarded junkie
because Verso painted that canvas and a piece of his soul is still connected to it, did you really think this was a gotcha?
He didn't just want to die, he never wanted to make the painting in the first place. He wanted to be a musician, and Verso even asks the left over piece if he wanted to finally stop painting. The great irony is that Aline and Alicia never once consider Verso in their obsession, just their own wants, but funnily enough the thing that finally drives Verso to do what he actually wants is the desire to save his family members. It just so happens his desire to save his family also coincides with his desire to finally stop existing in a painting he did not want to be in in the first place.
Verso fags like you are unironically low IQ
I think part of the game's success is bringing in people who don't ever play them, since the rationales they provide are antithetical to many JRPG story resolutions.
you literally played the entire game without learning that the piece of her sons soul is what was preventing her from parting with the canvas, you are brown and now coping
Do you really wish to uninstall Baldur's Gate? Boo will be sad :(
She literally was retarded, she essentially started hard drugs in fantasy land because she couldn't pull herself up by her bootstraps over her son's death
she doesn't see them as actually living
Francoise cries in the distance.
they chose verso's ending but are still here on Anon Babble as neets never moving forward
Anon Babble was down
they still came back
Really makes you think
Im not a maellefag
I am esquie/monocofag, that's why I chose the ending where they both get to live
maellefags when they reveal they skipped all the dialogue
it is time to stop posting, anon
In other words you’re a clown
No one says Verso's path is the easy choice, but deep down we know it's the right one.
Yes
Yes, that's why we know the escapism enabling object has to be permanently erased.
We are the best people to know what it's like
She's a woman. The message the game drives home is that women are illogical and mentally unstable and must be reeled in by the strong men with strong convictions in their life. It's why Maelle goes down the same path. Men. Men. MEN! If expedition 60 was still around they would've solved everything.
Are you autistic or did you actually think the original post was a genuine question about the plot?
You guys know that discussing things on the internet is not escapism right?
Maelle is the MC.
Maelle's ending saves the world and buys my party time to prepare for the next issue.
Even if the issue fails, that just means Maelle lived a normal human lifespan inside the canvas and died as who she wanted to be.
If the soul in the canvas still wants to be released even under the new conditions given by Maelle, he will be sooner or later anyways. Either the situation gets fixed by the party and he is free, or Maelle dies and he is free anyway.
Thus, simply no reason to not take Maelle's ending.
I don't care about Verso's suicidal tendecies. Not my problem. And again, a temporary matter at best.
Either he learns to want to live, or he dies when Maelle dies.
Absolutely no reason to choose anything else.
He's retarded and autistic which is why I was laughing at him. He still doesn't get it.
Person gets to die the way they want
Verso is forced to endure suffering he deserves
Lumiere and company continue on for X amount of time
If Renoir hypothetically decides to intervene again, top issue is nullified and time was bought for them regardless
What's the drawback about the Maelle ending again?
Maelle is the MC.
Nah. The MC is the character you run around as in the camp
replying to yourself
You get less twitter likes if you defend Maelle's ending
names a monster gross titty
attacks by bouncing on you
he's in the spincycle and thinks everyone is the same person
This is how thread schizos are born. They get BTFO too many times and start deluding themselves that it's all one person. You're kinda like Maelle...
She is torturing her dead brother's soul and stagnating as a person because she can't grow up and stop larping around in a canvas that isn't hers
endless loop where Renoir and Clea have to intervene to stop the two foids from overdosing
Why is it ok to let a grieving 16 year old kill themselves in a heroin style delusion.
dead brother's soul
Why should anyone care about a dead person? He's dead.
Did you think I was the person who originally replied to the bait? you are hearing enemies in the walls now like a canvas addict
Yeah... It's just schizophrenia...
C'mon, I don't even think its a samefag, but you're retarded if you don't think they exist. But they also drive the most traffic to this site, so gookmoot won't ever implement poster IDs
Even if the issue fails, that just means Maelle lived a normal human lifespan inside the canvas and died as who she wanted to be.
Anon, I know Alicia is delusional about this and the game only shows it and never tells, but from the moment she recovered her memories as Alicia, she was never able to live a normal life inside the painting and forming genuine relationships with the people around her, she is treated, and treats herself, as an entertained audience and puppetmaster
At least he was alive and real at some point unlike the people in the paintings
I didn't say they don't exist.
the fact that the soul not only exists but is observable would suggest something that transcends death
40 hours
i would end myself if i were you
if sucks if you are afraid of pianos
The painting had the last vestige of her favorite son in it and she didn't want to leit it go.
Do you miss Verso? I mean your Verso. The real Verso. Does it bother you? That I'm not him?
You're my friend. Other Verso was also my friend. You are cousins. Same same, but each different. Why would that bother me?
I love Esquie so much it's unreal.
You are mad if you think Maelle wouldn't eventually turn into a malevolent God once she controls the painting.
lolberts cant understand why letting children overdose on an addictive substance might be a bad thing
try to bait and switch about how Renoir was the bad guy all along
realize the only reason why everything is fucked was because the paintress decided to taint her dead son's canvas
The bait and switch didn't really go through, the paintress is still the villain
it's okay for kids to be addicted to air but not heroin
ummm fellas, i'm noticing a double standard here
Shoo.
I disagree.
it doesn't really have one in that lens outside boomer platitudes
I don't care every moment of your life is awful because you are a walking bacon that can barely breathe, you don't get happiness if the way you achieve it makes me feel uncomfortable
Do versofags really
forces verso to live
forces verso to play the music
She's uncaring for sure.
She'd die before that. She's a weak burn victim. The strongest paintress lasted maybe a month at most, the equivalent of 67 years in the painted world.
Maelle has 10-20 years max.
Maellefags are basement dwellers who project onto her to justify their horrible parasitic "lifestyle"
i wouldn't care if she did in her case desu
she lives in a world where 16 year olds are being targeted for assassination and is already permanently maimed from a failed attempt
i don't doubt the writers might try again
She's a Paintress she can just Paint forever whatever world and life she wants for herself. She just needs to learn moderation and not fixate on one Canvas.
We don't see ourselves as Verso, we see ourselves as the painters aka the real humans, we realize Verso and the rest of the painted people are skinwalkers that shouldn't exist and it's unhealthy to pretend they're real
every moment of your life
Retards continously forget that Painters live the equivalent of thousands of years, the majority of which is in canvases. Maelle is choosing between a short lifetime in a doomed canvas or thousands of years with an incomprehensible amount of potential living beings
In 10 years we will still have maelletards.
She doesn't want to paint or be endless. She wants to live with the people of Lumiere a natural lifespan and die as Maelle.
Why does she need to do anything else other than the usually condescending arguments that "other external person knows better than her"?
She wants to live with her loved ones, then die with them. It's not hard to understand.
yeah, that's what I felt too
there was no winning sides either, everyone was just in a shitty situation to the point the final choice felt like a lose/lose situation
as much as I hoped for a "happy" ending since the moment Maelle was able to resurrect Lune and Sciel I thought she was 100% going to revive Gustave and everyone would live happily ever after, it would probably feel like a cop out and be "too easy" and wouldn't fit the game's themes
fuck, you're right
depending on circumstances, it's just the verso ending but the can is kicked further down so everyone gets to say their goodbyes and get some years together
Can you side with the villain in this game or otherwise get a bad ending where you destroy everyone?
No dad, I don't want to go to school, I want to play pokemon the whole day and die by tomorrow
Yes, that's Maelles ending
I accept your concession.
Both endings are bad, it's like og SMT strange journey
My dad will come in and kick my ass in a few days anyway, so why can't I do meth now?
Anon.....
Maellefag would literally die for the last fix on coke
to be fair, I have a 3060 and all of this generation's consoles, and E33 was the single best looking game I've ever played and the only other game that actually impressed me with its graphics besides the Demons's Souls remake
the cutscenes looked so good I thought some of them were live action for a moment (like the scenes in black and white with Renoir)
Everyone gets destroyed regardless of the ending. The writers were bold enough to create endings that are both flawed in their own way with no perfect happy one.
The Alicia ending is her deciding to end her life on her own terms, with people from Maelle's memories, before she falters and collapses outside, and Clea or Renoir finish what they've wanted to do the entire game.
The Verso ending is destroying the canvas to save his sister, forcing her to live on, but ultimately discard a reality she has memories of "from birth", but letting her live for longer than 16 years and discover new experiences and new canvases
What keeps the schizo arguing in bad faith in circles, you think? Is he an actually obsessed turd-worlder shitting the threads because the game was successful, or is it just a need to artificially create conflict to feel like he is being "based"?
You lost the right to goslingpost
After building Maelle to oneshot everything, I've just put her in the backline in case we fail and have Verso do the damage.
Based
There could have easily been a middle-ground 3rd option but the game forces you into one or the other.
I wish these threads were about OST and gameplay again, the story really falls apart by Act 3 and it's annoying people are unironically taking sides over 2 shit endings
Gustav DLC
If there was a middle ground option then the choice would be pointless.
addicts
middle ground
verso's ending is soft and colourful (Clair)
maelle's ending is harsh contrasts and black and white (Obscur)
a perfect ending would be a mix of the two, making Clair Obscur
kino
IMO, the Maelle ending is a better one.
Why? Because people I care about (that being Gustave, Lune and Sciel) get a happy ending.
Verso was a shithead that kept gaslighting me every step of the way, so I am not sorry for not feeling any sympathy for him, he got what was coming from him. And I don't care about Alicia enough to be sorry for her after all the bullshit the Dessendre family has pulled off. My job from the start was to save the people of Lumiere and that's the goal I am ending up with.
You won't ever know peace with the schizo roaming every thread, sadly. He shows up to shit gameplay threads too.
Hello I am from the Reddit website. I played on story mode for maximum enjoyment. I'm a dad with two jobs and five kids and a severe Star Wars addiction. So it's very nice to play this way and I don't waste too much time being bad at parrying ha ha!
Easily game of the year. My emotions.
save the people of Lumiere
You didn't save anyone though. You gave the city maybe another few generations of life before it gets erased like the rest of the canvas
the drug use comparison feels silly
renoir can only talk to his wife if he hits it up too
verso argues maelle can shoot up other drugs
aline is head of the drug cartel
All this arguing and disagreement just shows how good the game actually is.
Expedition plot gets resolved after they kill the Paintress, their entire goal
WTF WHY DID THAT ABANDON THAT PLOT
retard alert
Disagreeing doesn't change facts.
this except i played on hard and also don't have kids and also am ok at parrying
Golden end DLC soon bros trust the plan.
How do you think they afford to stay in that huge mansion?
Paint is the cocaine of that world
aline is head of the drug cartel
Writers did nothing wrong
get a happy ending
You're seeing what you want to believe.
I disagree with that statement as well.
manly tears were shed
I mean, Earn Your Happy Ending trope is a thing after all. I could see being able to unlock the third, best ending after beating NG+ or some shit. It wouldn't be the first jRPG to do so.
you didn't save that child's life when he was drowning because he will die of old age in 80 years time
Lune didn't cry, she just seethed at him.
If the alcoholic just drank in moderation, it'd be fine
Yeah, man. A third option for sure.
Keep disagreeing, doesn't change facts.
Sounds like the same could be said about you.
huh? that's not what I said. I said you didn't save Lumiere, the "people of lumiere" are dead in a few geneations. Are you going to dispute that? Or make up something I didn't say again
Yeah idk why people are so sure that Renior won't just reenter the painting and fuck it all up. It's not as if Alcia will be able to take on a full rested and powered up Renoir either, doubly so if Clea is helping him
Would be true if I agreed, but alas. I disagree.
We did it lads
We killed everyone, every last one
the people of Lumiere, gestrals, nevrons, down to the last insect
got to fuck Lune as well by the end
bet she still glaring at me
time to go...mmage
Aline's drug is Verso's soul
Alicia's drug is her friends
No there cannot be, you guys are the worst of the bunch because you didn’t even follow basic plotpoints
There cannot be a 3rd option. There is nothing. No matter what you suggest it will only show that you missed something
Seeing Sciel and Lune in this scene was heartbreaking
Letting a place and its people live generations longer is saving them. I don't see how you can't see that.
Clea's mentality does seem like something I'd expect from the oldest kid of a drug lord
Monoco and Esquie's death hit me harder than anyone else. The fact that they're so understanding of Verso's pain and thus the choice, too.
Them and Gustave are the highlights of the story for me.
Bros... I'm tired of playing Simon says...
Equip all the pictos that give you Gradient and just Gommage his ass.
People will say this is less cheesy than Stendhal too meaning you can feel epic about it.
Better Stendahl him before tomorrow it's getting nerfed nigga
Yeah. I was able to keep enjoying the story after that but I don't really blame the people who checked out after the painter reveal. I, unironically, think it helped that I was semi-spoiled at points so I had time to get used to the idea before it actually happened and the game ended like 2 hours later.
Also doing the side content helps to flesh out how tiny and obviously 'fake' the entire world is, which helps you decide to erase it as Verso. There really wasn't much life left at that point besides a handful of people.
Can you make a webm of the burning scene, where he says “you’re ok”?
Gamers not being able to handle any ending besides "perfect feel good" ones precisely proves they don't see any artistic value in games whatsoever
Game's major theme is about dealing with grief in a destructive, unhealthy way
Anon Babble sees no issue continuing this cycle by choosing Maelle's ending
Sometimes I think the entire game went over your heads.
for those who play after...
They're acting like Maelle irl and coping.
Letting a place and its people live generations longer is saving them
You're saving those generations as I said.
A city is objectively destroyed regardless of it happens one year or the next. The City is doomed.
Again. You didn't save the city by choosing one ending or another. Everyone dies.
Lune definitely, but Sciel outright states in her social link that she'd fuck over him/anyone to achieve her goal (getting Pierre back), so I'm pretty sure she understood his choice.
why is Clea's face so sexy? it's distracting me
As much as I love how this game doesn't just tell you its themes like most media these days, it's also become a prime example for me as to why authors feel the need to tell their audience directly.
I mostly blame Americans, you should look up their literacy rates lmao
game is all about fighting against certain doom because even a short life is worth living
Anon Babble thinks the good ending is dooming the place instead
I can't believe how little screentime such a pure sex voice and model got.
Imagine publicly sexually humiliating her…
Why are writers so terrible?
A city is objectively destroyed regardless of it happens one year or the next
If I save a city from a nuclear bomb. I still saved it even if a meteor destroys it a 100 years later.
I just want to know concretely if the people of Lumiere are actual human beings, even if painted, with actual emotions, sentience, a soul etc.
But whether that's the case or not, at the end of the day there's still an actual human soul, a piece of at least, that has to paint for all of eternity without rest to keep the canvas going.
Every ending is kind of fucked up to be honest.
real Renoir was supposedly trapped beneath the Monolith
but real Renoir is the Curator, who was free
I don't get it
game is all about fighting against certain doom because even a short life is worth living
Maellefags think Alicia refusing to live her life is the good ending
Clea killing wriggers game soon trust the plan.
Well, I am sorry for wanting the cast of characters I spend dozens of hours controlling to get some kind of resolution, instead of just getting Thanos snapped out of existance, because fuck you.
Because people I care about (that being Gustave, Lune and Sciel) get a happy ending.
I dont know how people are convincing themselves of this, Renoir knows Maelle was lying as did Verso, and Renoir absolutely would return to stop them again, that nigga is gonna sleep for a night and be back with another fracture, a bunch of new Clea nevrons and the gommages will start all over again, and endless cycle of death
She is living the life she wants.
Bro he was trapped when Alicia entered the canvas in the monolith year 49
Anon get caught up in shit that stopped mattering after act 2 and so served as a bait and switch for the actually primary themes introduced over act 2.
She is dreaming a delusion and quite the boring one too
paintings use soul shards of the painter
nah, writer game killing painters for the good of everyone
prologue could be setting up the fire that unintentionally kills verso
No point talking to maellefags, they’re just trans, they prefer delusions to reality
the first two acts of the story doesn't matter at all
If this was actually true it would be a garbage story. Thankfully that isn't the case.
You're a child that wants to consume media rather than experience art. Go play with toy soldiers or some shit
He's just that good that he can astroProject.
he was astral projecting a weak phantom form. If it was his real form he wouldn't need the chroma from the defeated axons to make the Barrier Breaker. The Axons are HIS creations he could use their chroma himself.
So the ending was basically French FFTA except better?
But that's a ridiculous false equivalence because Maelle's actions would cause both. You're acting as if Maelle is encountering events she has no way of predicting.
A reasonable equivalent would be if you saved the city from a nuclear bomb, by launching it into space, knowing full well it's going to fall back down and kill everyone at some point.
The meteor would be an additional unforseen event. Maelle's decision isn't.
Also keep in mind she has to revive everyone who already died (if she even can after that much time had passed without repainting new people), which means she's bringing people back to life just to knowingly have them or their children die.
If you then argue creating new life is also noble even if you're going to kill them, then you should want Maelle to leave so she can sow seeds of life in hundreds of canvases
If you chose maelle's ending explain why wouldn't allow your child to use meth if it made them feel better
That's easy to say when breathing doesn't hurt for you.
they're literally just paintings
consume less estrogen
It's the one time the "it's all a dream" trope was done properly
Doesn't change facts.
The Expedition portion ended after Act 1
Act 2 introduced the family and the conclusion of the expedition
Act3 is the conclusion of the family
How is it so hard to understand? It's a simple bait and switch.
The Lord Of The Rings wasn't about Frodo's shire life
Yes
i would question why i was in a trade that could get my children firebombed and decided to still have children
Not that anon but the first 2 acts are to hint at what's to come, and to make you attached to the characters so you go through the same stages of grief at the end of the game. Maelle's ending exists purely as a mirror for the player.
Never has "it's all a dream" ever done properly. Never. The only that comes close is Silent Hill 2, and it beats this Hallmark melodrama female coded game by miles.
If they had an Expedition system with 16+ expeditioners and not just the 5. Sure.
then you should want Maelle to leave so she can sow seeds of life in hundreds of canvases
Whether I want her to leave or not is irrelevant because the game only presents two choices.
And in one of those choices Lumiere and its people get to live for decades longer. In the other they don't.
they wanted you to think nevrons on the island were actually gommaged lumerians in the beginning
you can get attacked with acid in modern day france irrespective of your profession
I feel pain every single day and would rather literally die than playing The Sims for the rest of my life
You guys are pretending as if Renoir didn't simply accept that his daughter and wife are far too gone and simply moved on with his life.
I hope he finds himself a new hobby or something.
So why was Goblu 'familiar' and autistic about a specific flower anyway?
He's going to find himself a 19-year-old only fans girl and get himself in trouble.
The Lord Of The Rings wasn't about Frodo's shire life
No but it still ends with Frodo returning to the shire in the end to show how it and he has changed.
Yes, and Clair Obscur ends with Lumerians saying goodbye because they get wiped for being copium
Too based to live
Then I wouldn't blame you for choosing death between the two and would encourage you to make the choice you want, instead of saying suicide was bad and that sims can be fun if you try
Was there an ending where we could have saved everyone?
And that's fine, but you're not saving them, and Verso's end isn't dooming them in some way that Maelle's isn't.
I'd also argue that Gustave (if it's even the same person anymore), Lune and especially Sciel would be absolutely against their faux savior if Maelle ever admitted that Sciel's unborn, freshly born child was going to die anyway. But just like Verso, their opinions or morals don't matter to Maelle.
Way off-topic, but I can easily envision a Houseki no Kuni TBG in a similar design to E33.
Lae'zel Fag
write a strong steadfast father figure who is willing to endure 67 years of being imprisoned to protect his wife who suddenly stops caring and does a 180 when his favourite daughter decides to become an addict too
with Lumerians saying goodbye
They never got this. They were just genocided.
No one dies in Maelle's ending
twitch.tv
forsen has spoken
You unlock the secret Gustave ending if you beat Renoir at the cliffs
I'd also argue that Gustave (if it's even the same person anymore), Lune and especially Sciel would be absolutely against their faux savior if Maelle ever admitted that Sciel's unborn, freshly born child was going to die anyway
They have all three lived in a world where if they had a child that child wouldn't live past 20. Yet we know that both Gustave and Sciel still wanted children.
This fag got filtered by Dragons dogma so hes objectivelly wrong
They all die, if they're identical when they're brought back then there would be no reason not to just paint them in a new canvas and let his soul rest, it is heavily implied they're different people when repainted (verso has no scars)
Delusional. The second Alicia dies Renoir destroys the canvas.
Worse than death, doomed to be the playthings of a crack addict brat who can't be told no.
Not at the cost of their adopted sisterdaughter or friend.
I like how this argument basically boils down to
Do you resonate more with the themes vs internal logic of the text?
or
Alicia needs to properly mature vs no she doesn't life outside sucks.
Renoir gives up and lets Alicia stay because he at least has his wife back now. He can just make a new kid.
Bruh. Everyone dies there
If they were different people Verso wouldn't be seething in the ending.
Heavily implied by what? Your head canon?
This is the truthnvke retards have been ignoring
They were all allowing her to go on a expedition that might kill her.
Does anybody get a problem with their FPS tanking all of a sudden? I used to get 90+ FPS and now my game can barely get 35 FPS and just stuttering everywhere? Is there a fix?
Gustav's option of choice would be to tell both Alicia and Verso to fuck themselves, fuck Clea, have her setup a protection system outside the canvas so no demiurge can go and shit up the place, and then set up a communication system so that the two worlds could write to each other and the lives of Lumiere could influence the outside world by exchanging informations
Did Aline paint herself new eggs?
What's 16 years?
I can always start again
Make a new kid
Maellefags are really just wriggers PSYoping us right?
Wriggers want us fractured so they can take over more easily
Yeah but check this out
they're pixels on a screen bro they cannot evoke emotions you are not allowed to feel you söy guzzling defect
t. recruiter needing more volunteers to fight for itsreal
That's Sciel
"Oh my dead husband and baby"
later that night "hey Verso, wanna fuck?"
Gustave was already fucking Clea. Just a painted version of her. Aline wanted grandkids and she told her to fuck off.
OG paint Verso was painted by Aline, he is not the same because the new one is painted by the memories of the sister not the mother, hence the scars. Why would all of lumiere which was painted by Verso be the same when repainted by Maelle?
If you don't fuck Sciel you get to a chance to fuck Lune so Verso doesn't get cucked in his ending.
his main motivation being that he's tired of living as a substitute of someone else.
That's a perfectly good motivation. Verso is not a bad character, or even a bad person, it's just that that the game forces him into the role of protagonist when he should be another party member at best.
All female characters have sameface in this game, Sophie, Gustav's syster, Clea and Sciel could all be argued to have similar faces. Even Maelle just looks like a younger version of them
So who are the writers?
The Devs
They're above us and too strong to defeat, that's all you need to know
Yes, correct
It's just scratch doing his bullshit, the writers did nothing wrong
You misunderstood something somewhere
Self-inserts.
Alan Wake.
They could have easily lulled both Verso and Alicia into a wincest relationship but nooooo... Just had to ruin it with their dark ambitions...
I fucked both in my game? Sciel wanted to be adventurous, so we did it. Then Lune at some point wanted to "compose music together" so we composed all night.
Is there another scene with Lune perhaps?
Why does Clea refer to her mother and father by their first names instead of Maman or Papa?
What do you hope the mandatory Kepler funded movie/series will be about?
Nah, its headcanon to just assume you can repaint dead people as they were when you weren't the one who created them, it clearly takes an enormous amount of complexity to paint over a living subject, so it'd be retarded to assume it's a simple thing to repaint them identically, also there is a huge theme with the gestrals becoming different every time they're reborn
She is a hardass.
holy shit i actually saw the verso end
the RAGE in sciel and lune's eyes LMAOOOOO
she hates her family and is hinted at being a psycopath
the whole family is fucked
Given the success of the game and the fact that "Writers" exist, what do we expect from the sequel?
Yet Lune and Sciel are identical.
middle-ground 3rd option
The letter written by Alicia was titled "A Life to dream".
Becuase the wriggers thought the audience would be too stupid to know who they're referring to unless they used their names
Sciel accepted it though. Lune on the other hand...
so why isn't Verso identical?
Lune and Sciel are nonfactors for the last act of the game.
Sciel accepted it though
She never had a chance to accept it.
They were already painted. It's just restoring the chroma.
Sciel understood why Verso did what he did, Lune on the other hand was selfish AF.
A completely disconnected anthology story that takes place in a completely different universe.
Because trying to turn this game into some kind of epic shared universe would be cringe as fuck.
What would you do if you were a writer?
Maybe pay attention to the camp dialogues you dunce
Not if you do side content.
wanting you and your friends to live is selfish
Get together with Clea
It's just gonna be the game's plot, most of it is filler, it's gonna be extremely easy to cut it down to 2 hours by removing the whole axon hunt and most of the travel with Gustav
She was going to get erased either way going into that world with the child Verso. That's why she stepped in with Monoco and Esquie. Lune was the one who sat outside and gave Verso the death stare and just sat on the outside because she knew the shit was gonna end either way.
"Live"
Sciel understood why Verso did what he did, that doesn't mean she wants to die.
make clea my wife through compulsion but with her awareness of what's going on the whole time
kek, based versochad
The only that comes close is Silent Hill 2
retard
Total Writer Domination
Clair obscure 2
game opening has Maelle in her gay fantasyland laughing with Gustave and the others, Verso is nowhere to be seen
Everything is natural until the music fades away and you see something in Maelles eyes
suddenly Gustave and the rest of the painted people burst in flames
Maelle looks around and everything is burning
Maelle starts burning too
black screen
Cut to Renoir and Aline mourning the death of Alicia
She didn't. She actually refused to take Verso's hand at the end.
Lune on the other hand was selfish AF.
No, I totally understand her being angry at Verso deciding to sacrifice her without even asking her if she's cool with it. He literally pulled a "you will die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to take" bullshit on her.
She consistently keeps telling Verso that he doesn't get to make decisions for the rest of the group and then he makes the decision for the rest of the group.
Seduce the bacon girl and make her my wife by betraying my side to Clea
Why adapt the game's plot instead of something else set in the world? You can't really sell the game if you spoil it all.
If there is DLC I want DEFINITIVE answers to these things:
- Are people in the canvas actually alive? Or are they just sims who can emote very effectively?
- Does every canvas need a piece of your soul suffering for eternity to keep the canvas going?
- Do painters delete their canvas after a while or do some exist forever?
Because if you do that you either set it in the outside world and spoil everything, or make a bunch of shit backstory which doesn't matter to anyone who already played it and knows it doesn't matter at all
Based on what
Verso agreed with Renoir from the start. He knew that ejecting Aline from the painting would result in the deaths of everyone in the painting and he still chose to do it and lied to everyone to do so.
Even at the start of act 3 when Renoir offers him death as compensation for helping him, he doesn't seem distressed or opposed to it, its instead Maelle who grabs him and forces him to continue.
The remnant of the real Verso's soul in the painting throughout the entire game constantly begs for it to end and says he's had enough as well.
- Are people in the canvas actually alive? Or are they just sims who can emote very effectively?
If you can't tell the difference, then does it make a difference?
clive
even gave him an outfit to match
Verso
Verso's Canvas was the only one he painted when he was a kid. He didn't actually like painting, but his mom forced him. He wanted to be a Musician, not a painter. That Canvas was the only thing the mom had left of him before he died so she kept it alive.
Yes.
In a later social link with Lune she says she knows about you and sciel at night and if it wasn't for that there might be something between you two.
composing music together meant composing music together
renior was right
maelle is a child and cant make choices for herself
aline is a typical emotional woman who started it all
clea is best girl and who can blame Simon for falling for her
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- Are people in the canvas actually alive? Or are they just sims who can emote very effectively?
We don't even have objective criteria for this IRL, we have no idea what emergent systems we may argue to produce consciousness, so you should treat them the same way as you would treat a simulated brain inside the computer
Because Verso isn't a painted person being brought back with their own chroma. He's a copy of a real person Aline made from her memories.
If Sciel and Lune were copies made from Maelle's memories, they wouldn't know about private conversations they had with Verso before the end of Act 2.
So, I actually watched Verso's ending, and while I don't agree with it, I don't like that the game is basically telling you that one is the good ending.
the god gamer forsen picked the verso ending
oh no no no maellebros
Nah bro. The subtext was there. We fucked.
the first line is what act 1 and 2 wants you to think about after getting to 3 and it will literally never be answered definitively.
Are people in the canvas actually alive? Or are they just sims who can emote very effectively?
Unlike a lot of fictional works, they fully gained sentience and awareness, so while they are fictional, they are alive.
Does every canvas need a piece of your soul suffering for eternity to keep the canvas going?
I would actually like more on this too, but from what I can surmise is that when you paint, a little piece of you goes inside of it. The whole metaphorical idea that art contains a part of those who made it, but very literal. But I'm not 100% convinced my interpretation is correct.
Do painters delete their canvas after a while or do some exist forever?
They exist as long as paintings do, the problem is that they can be used as coping mechanisms and in some cases need to be destroyed to move on from. Considering a piece of the soul seems required, I would imagine its ethical to destroy, but that would not account for the human element of its destruction. But much like real paintings, if they're not restored later, they'll wear over time and be destroyed.
His music must have been shit then
Writers did them a favor
Verso is very much a painted person. Just infused with memories of a real person.
Just because you picked the bad ending doesn't mean is a failing of the game.
Do androids dream of electric sheeps?
In Verso's ending its very obvious that Esquie and Monoco knew exactly what he would choose and support him, that's why they go in for a final hug. Sciel disagrees with Verso's decision, but understands that she may make the same choice if she was in his position and as such has mixed feelings. Lune vehemently hates Verso for his decision and refuses to do anything other than look at him with scorn, because once again he has chosen to betray her, everytime she trusted him he betrayed her over and over, and finally she will die knowing nothing but his betrayal.
It's implied that the music in the game is Verso's music.
At least he had the guts to go through with his suicide unlike your cowardly ass
She was going to get erased either way going into that world with the child Verso
How would she know that?
He's different from the OG verso because the OG very was NOT a painted person, and he is just made in the image of the OG with Aline's memories.
Lune and Sciel are not different from the OG version, because the OG were painted, and they were brought back using the OG chroma.
Do you think Renoir has beaten his wife for brainwashing their daughter into another life and making her want to kill herself?
Was this Aline's intention all along as she hates Alicia's guts?
Clea HATES Alicia
Aline HATES Alicia
tired of these posts
you gonna start saying verso and renoir hate alicia next?
he writes music where his parents are yelling at each other over copium and have references to his death
yeah nah
that or it's a novel approach to a suicide note
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I like how Renoire and Aline sing their own theme
Oh like that. Yes agreed.
The second coming of Marche
Just show another past expedition's route as a prequel, like my GOATs 60
Clea actually cared about Alicia. She was the one who sent Verso to watch over Maelle. She's just a tsundere.
He made the music and his parents fucked with it and turned into a full on brawl.
Like his art.
Anon, Clea guiltdumps Alicia for the death of her brother she was not responsible for, and Alina hates her so much she made a tulpa of her specifically to see her suffer
you gonna start saying verso and renoir hate alicia next?
They have nothing but love for her.
Well some of it is supposed to be his I guess. The Lumiere theme in particular.
Everyone loves Alicia, except her mom because she has french depression.
Verso lies, manipulates and lets people die for his own advantage.
Lacks empathy for others outside his immediate needs
He is chaotic evil alright.
a novel approach to a suicide note
I like this idea since the game already hints at real Verso being suicidal and looking for an out.
she was not responsible for
Dude.
But Clea loves her, she's just extremely blunt.
Are you talking about Verso or Alicia there?
Unless you think she actually cares about the people in the canvas.
Nope the game was supposed to be about saving Lumiere not some pyscho family's gay drama he had to be punished for making that gay plotline take over the rest of the game. Now go play that piano
loves her, she's just extremely blunt
Ironically, this is one of the more common self-descriptors by people facing familial abuse charges
Lumiere was wiped after Act2 anon
Clea has a tranny face imo desu.
I think Verso wanted to preserve the world which small verso created. He expected Maelle to leave the painting and end him after forcing Renoir out.
Anon, it's not tough love to tell a 16 yo girl who has been mutilated and can't talk anymore that not only it's her fault, but also that she should have died instead of her brother.
You are right but I will not stop.
She has dick sucking eyebrows imo desu.
the spirit of young verso is only upset about painting because of it being turned into a battlefield, otherwise by your logic all canvas need to be destroyed after a while or you're a torturing a piece of your soul. Stop being so dumb
I think Verso wanted to preserve the world which small verso created
lmao no he did not, he's already revving for total oblivion before act 3 starts
Not If I have any say about it.
Why didn't he help Renoir and be done with the bullshit?
Depends on where you're from
Those are kind words in an american family
Renoir is a good father.
nta but I think he just wanted his family out of the canvas at first. After Renoir showed him how they could just easily go back in and continue fucking their health up he said no more.
Americans would rather have their kids be homeless than let them stay in the house until they get their shit together.
Aline and Clea are saints by comparison.
The Writers laid it on pretty thick which one was the good ending.
kek
Renoir would have destroyed your computer/phone.
And?
If you were on it all day.
cums inside Lune
anyway I'm going to destroy the world now
Clea "kill writers to make the world brighter" Dessendre
Clea "emptying my 9' on a writer food line" Dessendre
Clea "sending the writers to the guillotine before the invention of the printing machine" Dessendre
No, you're right. He is an excellent father.
I read somehwere that the dev team considers Maelle ending's the good one because they are vidya addicted escapist, not sure it wasn't just maellejunkies propaganda tho
And he will be right to do so
I think the ultimate lesson we can all take away from this is women bad and irrational.
reminds of that greentext about anon's computer and his mom
The debates about this game are retarded even by Anon Babble standards, this game really attracted the biggest retards
This
Real men advocate for nanny states to protect people from themselves
I'm really confused by the painters honestly.
They send in a 16 year old to this fractured world. Sure. But then Clea sees she's going to be reborn and spend who knows how many time in there. She spent 16 years in there. For all she knows she could've spent more years in there.
Isn't that kind of fucked up?
kill self to protect some jobber
nah, real life verso was a retard too
I think time flows differently in the canvas
Clea seems to consider 'real time' to be the only relevant time, and in real time she's spent only days at most inside the canvas.
I think Clea is just such a unit that she can't properly comprehend how much of a shitter everyone else is.
Clea spent far more time in that canvas, as quite young herself
Thanks to the combination of time dilation, a general godlike view of things, and experience in varying different scenarios, shit like getting reborn seems to be coming and accepted enough to just happen?
Nigga it literally says "they did what they needed to do" and THEN says they composed music. Also Verso puts compose music in quotes. And the text says "Sciel knew what they were doing"
It's blatantly obvious bro
It seems like it's nothing for them. It's not like inception where their minds are fucked up by staying inside, so I guess once they go out, they don't feel like that amount of time has passed anymore. Just goes to show how absolutely delusional Alicia was to take it as a giant deal after her awakening, even her mother doesn't take it seriously and just tells Renoir to fuck off and let her enjoy the show in piece at most
They send in a 16 year old
16 was basically an adult at this time
The one thing that ticks me off is that its a 5 party member game in a game where 4 or 6 would both be better
6 would be perfect for 2 parties
4 would be perfect for 1 party and a solo-picto character
Yeah I know you can suicide build one of them but fuck
paint a world full of sexy women with high libidos
paint them in such a way they all want to have babies
paint the world in such a way that there is no concept of protection
insert myself as the only male in the entire world
paint over myself to have no memory of my real world self
I'll be born as the only man in a world full of sex starved baby crazed hot women with no memory my real self and no godlike powers
here we go
This pretty much.
How can you ever form or maintain any kind of sincere relationship with people you can make, unmake and wholy manipulate on a whim?
Nevermind the fact that she's an impulsive, emotional teenager with serious baggage.
How much that would fuck someone up on a subtle psychological level can't be ignored.
clea ominously in the background with a typewriter
The incomplete backline REALLY bothers me
The worst thing is, you can't just remove one of them from your second party like you can do it with the first
i fucked sciel at both opportunities and this is what my last two Lune social links said.
Gotta wait for Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Lumina Edition to get that last partymember and a ton of extra content.
The second being the swimming lesson?
I did Sciel romance first and she had sex with the music lessons. I think it depends on your dialogue choice then
What the hell? I fucked Sciel and then went on with Lune to compose her "song". The dialogue event said Sciel observed us coming back and that "she knows" when we came back to camp.
So Verso slept with both in my playthrough.
kek
actually romancing the girls with Verso
It feels so wrong
You just know Renoir did this before and that made Aline really mad
Didn't really feel like romance to me, it felt more like flings, especially Sciel.
Verso would happily kill her if it gets maelle out of the canvas and lets him die, and she would happily kill him if it brought her husband back.
Sciel being mutual rebounds works imo
Lune is what feels wrong
Yes, Aline "saved him" from a painting when he was "lost"
You can intellectualize and complicate things for yourself to a degree that it’s impossible to tell one thing from another
You were speaking of child Verso, but that confirmation only comes from Verso’s ending, we don’t see him at all in Maelle’a ending. While in Verso’s ending there is quite the emphasis on that, when the game calls him Verso for quite the powerful moment
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It is not true at all that the endings narratively are depicted as equal. They’re not. It’s simply not true.
she did nothing wrong
Having a perfect "everyone gets what they want" ending would actively make me think less of the game and significantly devalue it artistically.
Instead of the ending you get making you contemplate how you've intellectually and emotionally engaged with the game up until that point, it'd just become another piece of slop you'd tick the checkboxes for and then move on from.
The endings are good precisely because they're so divisive. I think Verso was absolutely in the right with no question about it, but I respect the fact that people feel so strongly about supporting Maelle/Alicia and I can sorta see where they're coming from (the addict district in retardtown).
Yeah I made him swerve that pussy too. It felt odd to me that someone like him would have any sexual desire left at that point.
This is the Xenoblade 3 AND Xenoblade X ending shitflinging all over again
...I guess we really can't judge Aline in the game
Verso wants to die
Maelle paints him back
And makes him a puppet
Lowkey fucked up
well said
it's not lowkey at all
Except we had this discussion back then when it was called FFTA. If escapism is as realistic as reality, then escapism is a valid choice.