Now that the honeymoon phase is over, can we admit it's the greatest JRPG in existence?
Now that the honeymoon phase is over, can we admit it's the greatest JRPG in existence?
nerfing a single player RPG
nah fuck off
Easily in top 10 at least, if not in top 5. Insane for a first game from mostly newbie devs.
Not even the best JRPG this decade (SMTVV)
Not even the best JRPG this year (Xenoblade X)
Even if it's not the greatest, it at least put up a solid fight for the spot. Definitely top 3.
More or less Top 3 for me it was just really good. A breath of fresh air in a stagnant market and gives me hope that triple A devs, especially square will open their eyes to what gamers want. I'd love more UE5 stylized turn based games I like the realism graphics over anime slop and the engine they make nu final fantasy on would work fine the same. Just give back turn based combat give back good stories about cataclysm and give back lovable and relatable characters who aren't retarded highschoolers
40% is nothing, she can still dish out millions of dmg and one shot Simon
don't care. It sets a bad precedent. What's going to be nerfed next?
They made the exact game that I wanted, long after I had given up hope.
9.5/10 but I'm not finished yet.
Grr i don't wanna learn Clea or Simon I wanna one shot them so I can tell my friends how good I amm grrr
If it's only top 5, then what the fuck is better? Don't tell me you actually think shit like CT, FF6, Xenoblade, or Persona is better.
I mean the Souls is better but Idk if I would classify them as JRPGs
No, but it is up at the top though.
you just said you can still one shot. This isn't about one shotting it's about nerfing a single player game.
Grandia 1
Xenogears
Final Fantasy Tactics
Breath of Fire 4
FF6, Xenoblade, or Persona is better.
NTA but yeah I'd put all of these above it. Souls too if you count it.
such a normalfag only the most popular jrpg slop comes to mind
grim
That wasn't me I never even used Sthendal in my entire playthrough because reading it was enough to tell me it was overtuned. The alternative is buffing enemy hp but then you pigeonhole the player into using the skill you're butthurt about. How about we let the first time devs fix their mistakes on early patches and you stop crying over what is effectively nothing
gay anime aesthetic
boring overworld
juvenile writing
digimon reject pile enemy/boss designs
Fuck no
QTE parryslop
then they should let me refund my Lumina points if they're going to nerf my build.
It isn't and never will be a JRPG, retard.
I can't take anyone who likes Xenogears seriously. I don't know if it's an issue with the translation or the original script, but the writing is just plain bad. The same applies to F/SN, I read the original fan translation and dropped it after UBW.
And don't even get me started on the gameplay.
keep mashing your newly acquired combo until you unlock the next one with zero strategy involved
Top 5 of all time
it's about nerfing a single player game.
Yes, and there's nothing wrong with that. They're refining their product. Stop being a retard arguing out of principle.
It stops being a JRPG halfway through though??
Kill yourself
Final Fantasy Tactics
FF: Tactics has blatant issues and is mogged by Triangle Strategy as it is.
They're infinitely farmable there's no upper limit, everything else can be reset, and the "build" for it cost less than 100 points to actually pull off which you should have sank into all characters anyway. Starting to think you didn't even play the game and are just parroting shit you read here
GOTY
my gay chibis in a row spreadsheet simulator is better!!
Fuck off dumbass. E33 mogs them so hard in every area it's not even funny
No, it's mediocre slop
Triangle Strategy is a boring soulless slog of a game, i will take FFT and its insane atmosphere and class variety over it any day. Don't even reply to me unless your game is drawn by Akihiko Yoshida and has an ost from Hitoshi Sakimoto
but the writing is just plain bad
How so?
This. But it's also a better game.
Grandia 1 and Breath of Fire 4 were as much of a lightning in a bottle as this game. Insane visuals by PS1 standards, insane direction, solid and entertaining plots with super likeable casts, good pacing.
Cannot think about a single PS2 jrpg that would match E33 though.
started my second playthrough
with french voices
Maelle french voice
Holy shit, I can't contain my excitement, her voice is so fucking sexy.
Sciel 1000% since she can prevent any enemy from acting ever as early as Act 1
Her moans and groans of pain are extremely hot and way more overtuned than the english voice
Just the tutorial battle vs Gustave alone is enough to notice it and send you into a plapping frenzy
Sciel is the character of unironic galaxybrains. She has the best utilities for any party and for some reason all her skills absolutely shit out damage no matter how you build her. Maelle and Verso Midwits have no fucking idea what's good in this game they're just parroting some nigger youtuber
Also for some reason I found a bug where you can stack over 20 of her card mechanic on bosses while in twilight. I expect that to be fixed despite only being able to consume 20 at a time max
this is the hottest 33 years old chick according to Lumiére citizens
Holy shit painted people have such an awful taste.
flagrant fanboy thread
Do your worthless job, janny
Asmongold is going to play it in 1 hour and expose the fraud it is.
Forced wokeslop with hags also not a Jrpg
I don't like the way dialogues are written, it feels lifeless. Neither naturalistic nor theatrical. Here's a random bit of dialogue:
Bart:Why would such an old man live all alone in this abandoned cave?
Fei:I don't know. Probably digging for ancient Gears or something?
Bart:Right! So you think so too?
Fei:Hey! I just said that as a joke. Don't take all that stuff seriously. They're only legends, you know.
Bart:No... that old man is up to something!
Old Man Bal:This can't be...
Fei:??
Bart:What's wrong, old man?
Old Man Bal:Is this your Gear?
Fei:Well, sort of...
Old Man Bal:Where did you get it?
Fei:I'm just borrowing it.
Old Man Bal:This is... the host for the spirit of the slayer of God...
Fei:Wait a moment! What did you just say?
Old Man Bal:Nothing. I didn't say anything!
Fei:No! I heard you! You said, slayer of God... That's what you said, isn't it old man!!
Old Man Bal:Your Gears are fixed. You have no more business here. This is a bad time for me. Be on your way!
Fei:Be on our way...:? Listen here, old man...!!
Compare it to something like PST:
"Your moldy chariot ferried you to the Mortuary, Restless One. You would think you were royalty based on the number of loyal subjects that lay stinking and festering upon the cart that carried you." "Your body was somewhere in the middle of the heap, sharing its fluids with the rest of the mountain of corpses." Dhall broke into another violent fit of coughing, finally catching his breath minutes later. "Your 'seneschal' Pharod was, as always, pleased to accept a few moldy coppers to dump the lot of you at the Mortuary gate."
The writing is much more vivid, it has much more detail and life to it.
100% he is either going to quit at Ancient Sanctuary or lower the difficulty.
Even Maelle and Versocucks know they have to bend the knee and rely on the goddess Sciel is since they're using her 2x damage skill for whatever they're shitting out anyways
And Sciel is definitely the most useful and only true must have character in the game, the fact you can prevent bosses from acting forever even as early Act 1 while doing damage AND regaining full AP back is hilariously broken
She might not deal as much damage as Maelle in Act 3 but by Act 3 literally any character can one shot Simo or whatever, and they ALL fucking rely on Sciel to do it at maximum efficiency
Why doesn't it drop?
It's cheap as fuck in third world countries, it's basically a AA game being sold as a indie title.
I don't know what to fucking play now that I 100% it
No it has the worst story I've ever seen
filtered
7R schizos aren't done seething, try again in a year
Yeah, that feeling you get when a great game is finally finished... How about playing NG+ with french voiceover, for a change?
The more I think about it the more I'm inclined to agree, at the very least Square Enix should be fucking ashamed that with all of their resources you have to go back to early 2000s to find games that can even remotely compare to Clair Obscur
You didn't beat the game
simple as
I have to go back to playing JRPGs where the gameplay boils down to “this guy does ice attacks and this guy does fire attacks”
It’s not fair…
I was thinking about it considering I'll be able to appreciate all of the cryptic dialogue from the first 2 acts and learn more details about the story that way
I can't remember the last time I wanted to replay a game so badly, Armored Core 6 maybe although that game was specifically designed to be played multiple times
Oblivionfags stopped playing Oblivion and are now going to E33
I really hope that when people finish the game, they have this feeling of emptiness. This feeling we all had when playing a FF game back during golden era: "Welp that was great. I really felt like I did a grand journey in a brand new World I got to discover". It's a rare feeling these days.
Was he right?
Yes
Gotta admit, the parrying/jumping/gradient mechanics drive a lot of interest for me to keep playing even after it's over. It's just satisfying, whereas in a regular JRPG if you ng+ you're going to be pressing 'confirm confirm confim' for hours in the early parts.
Presentation and music also drive the game higher. When the music against Renoir at the Monolith started I had that feeling in the back of my head similar to goosebumps.
Props to the frogs.
really good
yes
the best
only if you are retarded, a zoomer, or a game journalist, which might be all the same
I feel bad getting it cheaper on GMG. Would've paid full price on steam.
Yes. Persona is better, the devs themselves have admitted it to be an inspiration. Xenoblade has its highs and lows but mostly on par at least. Trails is better.
You're just a soulslopper, and Souls are literal garbage. Thats the worst thing about this game: its going to have soulslop infect jrpgs.
Show me better jrpg. And then talk, faggot
Holy shit painted people have such an awful taste.
consider: IIRC a woman painted them
Persona is better
Trails is better
We got that feeling, but not for the reasons he was hoping for.
100%
It's weird because I wasn't paying attention to this game, but a few months ago after playing through Metaphor I started wishing that someone would make a new JRPG with a proper overworld to explore without realizing this motherfucker had a similar thought half a decade ago and decided to act on it
doesn't make fun about a retard calling Trails better
Your favorite game is the most trash Japan ever done lmao
Yes.
This is why sloppers shouldnt have a say on jrpgs.
Kinda sad that Sandfall made the horrible mistake of letting you out instead of keeping you contained in fromfaggotry.
die shill
I felt the same way and I made up for it by gifting a copy to a friend.
Even beyond that shit like giving Verso the style ranking from Devil May Cry makes things so much more engaging
Persona is better
Persona 2 is as good as E33 story.
Trails is better
HAHAHAHAHA no.
You're just a soulslopper, and Souls are literal garbage.
This is the new weeb cope? That everything that makes the combat dynamic is just a "soulsloper", that can't argue why their RPG made for kids/teenagers is better than E33?
Weeaboo-brown-trans u you have to accept that island yellow monkeys can't do jprg.
She theoretically does more damage than any other character the only requirement is that the boss heals, final slash has infinite scaling based on stacks consumed
Nigger, Persona is the very definition of slop. Play SMT.
Not even in the top 100
How can it be the greatest jrpg when it's not even a jrpg to begin with?
Lmao, delusional and seething
Asmon is about to play it on stream today. He'll get filtered by it and shit on it and more doomposters will make threads about it.
JRPG don't exist. It's a retarded american journalist term that doesn't mean shit. Japanese hate the word. They simply use literally "command RPG" which would be turn based RPG.
I skipped the whole thread to avoid spoilers.
I got to the first save point and i dig the whole vibe, just got a question
Does the whole game get explained or does it end up with a bunch of "open to interpretation" stuff?
I like my stories neat and tidy.
Im playing it either way but this was bugging me
Thank you.
t. brainlet
The world does get explained, but the game gets two endings and anons currently keep fighting who was in the right.
Now GTFO before you get spoiled.
It's explained as long as you look for it.
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qte
parryslop
reddit writer
Trash game
Oh, and there are some sequelbait terms that aren't necessary to understand the story.
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AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEE! SOMEBODY HELP ME MAKE IT STOP!
Xenoblade X had a shit story and the game is just BOTW if it had a million quests
fight against this boss
have equipped the picto that gives health on every perfect block
hear maelle's moans
"Ugh, that's better... Ah, that's bettah..."
it's about nerfing a single player game.
So something that has been normal since several years?
certainly better than anything FF related in the last 20 years. Only other JRPG’s that are better is Xenoblade 1 and SMTVV for me
*only other JRPG’s that are better in the last 20 years
He nailed it. Hats down to mon Monsieur frog.
where the fuck is my clea sixth party member
Absolutely.
I'm also very happy for him. He said in an interview that he thought he'd end up creating a niche cult classic for JRPG connoisseurs like him. Instead he found normalfag success and is currently the frontrunner for TGA's GOTY title, while apparently the trailer for last year's TGA was rejected by Geoff.
Can't believe Anon Babble of all place fell for this chinese generic ai slop
So, what are the chances their next game won't deliver?
Is SMT VV relaly that much better than the original?
How does it compare to SMT4 Nocturne?
Hopefully her shitty weapon that's also bugged
maybe you people will have to play the game soon
while apparently the trailer for last year's TGA was rejected by Geoff.
Geoff already started sucking Kojimbo's cock for Death Stranding 2. I'm afraid he'll push goty for that game instead.
A trailer for TGA is like 500k I doubt they had the money when they were getting shown off next month for Xbox
they just uploaded the entire OST to their youtube channel song by song
they included the songs that were missing
FINALLY
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I found out ho the writers are.
The hate for this game feels faker than the love for it.
Anon Babble I will not play your ubisloppa made with UE5 no matter how much you shill it
Just admit you hate anime and Japan and move on
you've been here for 4 months rajeet. lurk moar.
I've mixed feeling about the soundtrack. On the one hand, it's pretty damn good. On the other hand, I'm so fucking sick of epic orchestral music in video games it's unreal. Hopefully Testard will whip up something more interesting for their next title.
Many of you have expressed deep love for our manor song "Our Painted Family" and we have heard you.
Here’s a little note from @lorien_testard
on the subject:
"The absence of the five Manor tracks from the soundtrack wasn’t a mistake, or a desire to not release them: I’ve been keeping them aside for a little project I’d like to bring to life. It’s something fun that I look forward to sharing with you, but I need a bit more time to make it happen.
In the meantime, I’ve included them in this full YouTube playlist of the OST."
I'm afraid, what is this mad man preparing?
50/50
The director is an autist who deliberately escaped from Ubisoft to avoid corporate meddling. All devs put up their favourite vidya on company website, so I doubt the game will become a done-by-the-numbers soulless affair. They also have enough money to remain completely independent.
On the other hand, they might end up recruiting blue hairs and nogs, or the game's success might end up going to their heads and they'll end up creating some pretentious mess of a story in the sequel.
epic orchestral music
that's like 1/3 of the soundtrack
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The tracks are definitely eccentric and unique enough to be memorable, there are a lot of standouts unlike most orchestraslop where it just all melds together and just becomes background noise
Maybe he saw that time Radiohead did a Kid Amnesia exhibition in Unreal engine or whatever it was and he wants to do that with E33's soundtrack
I'm not really sure what he could be planning with it
Yeah, it gives the game an actual plot. It also adds a metric fuckton of content.
epic orchestral music in video games
The game is filled with many genre of music anon
youtu.be
I think I found a pretty big plot hole. SPOILERS below.
Why was the painted Renoir killing expeditioners? I mean, I get it, he wanted to protect the Paintress, but why not red pill them on who's really doing the gommage and team up to expel the real Renoir?
This part just doesn't make sense to me, feels like clumsy writing, as in they just wanted a villain but couldn't properly flesh out his motivations. And in general, the painted Renoir's dialog irked me a lot as he kept speaking in riddles and omissions all the way through until his death, instead of making an attempt to reason and defuse the increasingly disastrous situation.
The best interpretation is that real Renoir/Paintress don't hate each other, he just wants her out of the painting. Her power is much stronger, so he weakens in a slow and predictable way, weaning her out. And that Painted Renoir wasn't created to protect her, but just as part of her painted family and he blindly protects the paintress out of love from being her husband, rather than being created specifically to protect her, or being rational enough to try to talk to the expeditioners to explain it.
most downloaded mods on pc btw
Yeah, cheats will always be in top downloads for any game, same goes for Elden Ring and BG3. More news at 11.
For me is this one:
I love how many genres it blends. Chanson francaise, medieval vocal polyphony, electronic, prog rock. It's definitely not just your typical "epic" symphonic mess present in so many vidya today.
tfw did Esquie's level 5 relationship quest right before the end of the game
seeing Francois with that silly little Clea scupture on the tiny rock version of him was kind of sad, especially when he starts crying afterwards
play on platform with by far the lowest input lag and highest framerate
still need babymode mods (aka cheats) to dumb the experience down so a toddler could play it
Kek
Stendhal nerfed so hard using it crashes my game
There is essentially an infinite amount, why would you need to be refunded?
Silly grumpy Franfran.
I found a bug where you can stack over 20 of her card mechanic on bosses while in twilight.
Sure its not the weapon that always stacks 10 foretell and in twilight thus does a full 20 each time? Getting that weapon makes her absolutely nuke.
Based, fuck QTE parry slop.
Remove your mods, especially that Clair Obscur Fix whatever mod, it's causing crashes all over.
load prev save
Between crazy high expectations and most studios being one hit wonders to begin with, I'd say chances of that are pretty high.
That being said, if they don't get greedy and overexert themselves they might just be fine.
I know this is a shitpost but if they do dlc I’d like not shit frenchfag costumes. Maybe archaic former expedition costumes?
people are still arguing over the ending
Honestly makes the game that much more compelling for me
I think Clea is the prettiest character in the game.
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they uploaded the even more kino version of Flying Waters
I could easily say this is close to a Chrono Trigger caliber game for the modern era.
Imagine needing to rely on a one shot gimmick build, with a broken skill, in an easy game. Are you going to whine like Kotaku and ask for a boss skip button next?
both these games are zoomerslop
Based on what grounds?
She looks gorgeous in 90% of every scene she's in and then there is that 10% where you wonder WTF happened, like how she randomly grows a chiseled chin from nowhere.
whole story boils down to solving family problems
checks out
they nerfed that too, but youd know that if you played the game, gigafag
Impact, it's not just a quick flash in the pan, this one will be seismic. I mean, it already has been, but it's going to ripple across the genre and developers are taking notes.
its a good game, but i wouldnt call it top 10, top 20 maybe
it just came at a time when most studios are pushing out nothing but shit, so its a refreshing change
(pic related)
im just happy to play a jrpg with a clear ending for once, even if theres more than one ending
its a good game, but i wouldnt call it top 10, top 20 maybe
it just came at a time when most studios are pushing out nothing but shit, so its a refreshing change
we talking about exp 33 or dark souls? this wording is verbatim what fags said in 2011
So is paintress supposed to be hard as balls
No, absolutely not. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here, Expedition 33 is the best JRPG-style game released in several years but it’s not one of the greatest ever made. Don’t get me wrong I consider it a 9/10 but let’s not confuse a supremely good game FOR 2025 with a supremely good game in all of the past several decades
can we admit it's the greatest JRPG in existence?
It's a good game, but it's not the greatest. I think a lot of modern games are just really bad so it makes the actually good ones taste better.
she is final test before balance completely shits the bed
Impact
What impact? Elaborate.
it's going to ripple across the genre and developers are taking notes
Again, elaborate instead of talking in buzzwords.
the image makes it clear
dont respond to me unless you're gold or higher
You have poor taste anon, and I say that as someone that found XCX the best Wii U game by a country mile and XCX the best JRPG since its predecessor.
XCX the best JRPG
stupid anime girls dancing around and squealing
Nah im good.
That is the translation more than the writing
You achieved that, mr. baguette. Très bien.
Not just that, each character having their own gimmick feels great. Reminded me of the unique skills for each character in Xenoblade.
It's a great departure from the typical 'everyone is the same character but with slightly different stats' system.
Wrong game, retard.
What exactly is so great about this title? What sets it apart from other RPGs? I've watched a fair bit of gameplay footage and it doesn't seem like anything groundbreaking.
Anon can you stop being so dumb for a minute, please. The game came out of nowhere, created a big buzz and now AAA studios will try to copy it's success. It's not hard to find the meaning of words, if you just think for a second.
Based beyond belief. But does this mean the Bandcamp DL will get them too, or should I just yt-dlp these?
Huh? No one can refute this it looks like.
It's just a really solid modern "JRPG" experience by first time devs. In my opinion, the narrative falls apart a bit at the end, which is a very common trait in JRPGs, but it's still a good game.
It also turned JRPG turn-based QTE combat into a "Sekiro-like" parry system where you literally must parry the attacks or you die.
insufferable faggot
we know
It was bugged. Stop being an autist.
Oh my god sometimes devs realise they made a mistake and adjust shit in their single player game yes. You know what you can do? Not update your precious bugged single player game since it's not like it's an online experience with other players.
Fucking prissy little bitch buy your tampons.
chrono trigger is actually 30 years old
now AAA studios will try to copy it's success
Talk about being a dumb fucktard lmao
The leitmotif gets annoying after a while. Bad music
Painted Renoir and Verso tried to do this and they got betrayed because the explorers are fully brainwashed to hate the paintress now, you can read about it in the "Journal - Julie Search and Rescue" and "Journal - Verso".
Nah I use that ice weapon they just fixed with S luck scaling, it has to do with her break skill that costs 9 not exactly sure how it works but I'm pretty sure it has to do with the 6-9 hit combo move that doesn't consume stacks of fortell if it crits being read as eaten stacks then breaking the boss in twilight with the 9cost skill, consistently did it on clea and buffed Dualist because obviously it takes time to set up but I got it to 60 stacks
I mean, I get it, he wanted to protect the Paintress, but why not red pill them on who's really doing the gommage and team up to expel the real Renoir?
Hes erasing the painting and shes trying to keep it alive. Shes stronger than he is but hes making progress. They think its the paintress but its renoir deleting them.
riddles
Idk he made it clear to me that its a fake world and he wants to prevent losing the rest of his family to it over their grieving.
AAA studios will try to copy it's success
Can't copy dumb luck. Next game is going to be the real test.
Easy top 10, it's the game the other studios working on JRPGs will scramble to catch up with and emulate for the foreseeable future
If you remove nostalgia goggles and historical context it objectively mogs a lot of other contenders, which people would rank higher on their lists only based on a subjective affinity toward a particular game's story or setting
There is an expedition that realized that the Curator was the one doing the gommages, I think it's the gym bros' journal you find in Lumiere.
catch up with and emulate
Unironically, what's so groundbreaking in E33 for others to emulate?
You're not allowed to do that. Games have to cost $90 now.
it's basically a AA game
You're right, but its production values are so nice that I wonder what AAA devs are even doing.
because the explorers are fully brainwashed to hate the paintress now
More like because Renoir and Verso was lying to them. And when they saw that they were immortal they lost all trust in them.
Those guys clearly had a screw loose from day one, they're the exception, not the rule.
DLC when
girl named Alicia
goes into a land full of wonders
Oh, I see...
Got me like few games ever have. Has been a long time since the last time too.
Why was sciel able to resist the mask boss and lune the dancer boss? Why those two specific characters versus those two specific bosses?
Yeah, because it's not from Japan. Now if we're talking about games in general it's easily up there.
Presentation and combat
lune the dancer boss
Pretty sure she doesnt at first? She gets the creepy eyes when they first meet the dancer.
Never explained. Maybe cut content.
Sciel doesn't wear masks and is always honest
Clea says in the scene with Alicia that both Aline and Renoir have trapped each other in the canvas. So my understanding was that there isn't really anything they can do, Renoir is just in there and strong enough that he can't be forced out
Not to mention Renoir made the Axions so it probably wouldn't have worked out anyway
I meant to say she does.
sciel wears her heart on her sleeves. lune always puts the mission above her feelings/emotions
It's just unapologetically kino. I wished the bosses were much harder because they were all based as fuck.
It does pretty much everything it does really well. The setting is interesting, the writing feels real in a way that video games usually have issues with. It's beautiful, it has an amazing and extensive OST.
It's a story that takes itself seriously, but still finds plenty of time for fun and whimsical things.
It's a game that makes you care.
It's not explained, but they do give you the background to understand why. Just like they don't explain why Verso sees no one when Sirene is showing everyone else illusions.
I wonder what AAA devs are even doing.
50 white men trying to fix the garbage a 500 man team's garbage (which is based off code made in india and thus is useless). While the manager is wasting their time with stupid team building exercises and randomly demanding stupid shit their focus groups are coming up with.
great combat and none of the following
bland mc with no agency
mascot telling you what to do all the damn time
power of friendship scenes
flashbacks and recaps to 5 minutes ago
characters constantly explaining what's happening and what they're doing
wait, is that...? what an immense aura
I need to use THAT power -- Noooo, MC-kun, noo
that won't be necessary
it can't be helped
etc etc
It also says Clea could have created some of the explorers to sow distrust and most likely spread the word that the paintress is erasing everybody
rank higher on their lists only based on a subjective affinity toward a particular game's story or setting
I'd rank Black Souls 2 higher, but only because I'm a sucker for modernist literature. A game going full Berlin Alexanderplatz is like a dream come true for me.
Great writing and acting. A combat system that has both mechanical (dodge/parry) and strategic (lumina system) depth. NieR Gestalt-tier soundtrack. Nearly every location is full of beauty. It's an incredibly well-made game, that might not break any new grounds, but it perfected its ingredients.
Perfectly summarized the weeb tropes anon.
The astroturfing
NieR Gestalt-tier soundtrack
...made by some literal who from soundcloud. What are the odds?
There is a non zero possibility that they were painted by Clea before she got out of the painting to talk with real Alicia, that's why they are so strong compared to other characters.
That's why Clea says she has put all the pieces in place to win against the Paintress.
Try hard garbage. I prefer to keep it classic, comfy high school mystery with dating sim elements featuring tsundere tomboys.
name 3 videogames
Japanese have never made a good JRPG
It says that Renoir thinks Julie is created by Clea. But that could just be ptsd from when she painted over painted Clea.
I just finished Act I. At first I was rolling my eyes at all the glazing of this game but at this point…I kneel.
I have never seen a game with better characterization, better music, better storytelling.
Not a JRPG, but it is the greatest FRPG, and one of the best RPGs period.
All canon persona games
painted renoir is the renoir as aline thought of him. A tough fatherly guy. He thought that killing all the expeditions was the best way to protect his (painted) family, so that is what he did.
JRPG
It isn't a J(apanese)RPG.
Just finished act 1
Nigga get the FUCK out of this thread right now everyone is discussing big spoilers lmao
can we admit it's the greatest JRPG in existence?
It's unironically the best game ever made.
To be honest, isn't the story somewhat similar to Nier Replicant/Gestalt?
brother and sister dynamic, but the brother is a fake
big reveal that tells you everything is fake including (You)
villain was right all along and actually not a villain at all
whole world is doomed in all endings
What are the odds?
50/50, actually.
There are dozens upon dozens upon dozens upon dozens of super talented people on Soundcloud/Bandcamp/YouTube capable of writing kickass music, yet most of them never get their lucky break. Lorien Testard was indeed a literal nobody from SC for years before the game's creative director stumbled upon him.
Yeah but without the weeb cringe or troon shit.
hit the high point
Hope you enjoyed
funnily enough I struggled with the renoir fight (the delay on his wipeout spell is very long and I always fuck it up even if I think i waited a long time) while i defeated the paintress in one go. All her attacks are pretty regular and she doesnt randomly twitch around to try and throw you off.
the entire game is a mix of many RPGs, in both gameplay and narrative. Its not so out of the question.
Acts 2 and 3 are a bit more controversial, but even Act 3 haters admit that Act 1 is downright fantastic.
wait til you fight the Act II bosses. Kino overload
Easily in top 10
holy shit, play better fucking games, jesus christ
I refuse to believe a western rpg is going to be anything more then deislop.
Of course, but they still admit that it's a possibility
You ain't seen shit, now get the FUCK out.
List your top 10
i just finished the maelle ending it was pretty fucking amazing
Yeah I found the Renoir fight harder than the paintress too
Also I swear to god the parry timing for some of the lions attacks are different depending on the character
triple A is struggling since they're burning massive amounts of cash and the only way to remain profitable is selling 5M+ copies. Meanwhile a team of 30 guys put a game out that sells 2M and is everything AAA suits want their game to be. They'll now scale down teams instead of throwing even more money at the AAA problem
I refuse to believe a western rpg is going to be anything more then deislop.
Meanwhile a team of 30 guys put a game out that sells 2M and is everything AAA suits want their game to be.
True, but this success looks more like lightning in the bottle. Bigger question is, will they be able to replicate their success next time? Will their model be sustainable?
farmable
So devs just wasted players' time, then.
Every game should have free respecs.
My nigga picking the canon ending.
Finally finished this game today, combat got boring after a while but I think it's the best story I have ever seen in a video game. Somehow I turned flaming gay and choose the good ending too, I looked up the other ending after and holy shit it was grim, hard to watch.
entered the monolith in act 2 and i just kinda lost all interest. how much more is there? i really dont want to slog through like 20+ hours to beat the game
I think it's the best story I have ever seen in a video game
you fags can't be serious when you say this shit right?
Name a better one.
the longest journey
>Pretty sure she doesnt at first?
Yes, and then later, while the others get charmed again she manages to shake it off and blast sirene in the face. So why was she able to do that while the others remained charmed?
it's the best story I have ever seen in a video game
Literally 1 HP face.
Act 2 is very flat near the end but Act 3 is pure kino.
You're right about the story part, but you're still slightly homosexual for being one of those "oh mah gawd, poor boy needs to play the instrument? better kill everybody because that would be grimmmmmmm".
yeah the game goes hard, i was away on release, so when i got it there were already people everywhere talking about it
yet ... it didnt disappoint
Pfft
like 3-5 hours of story, 15 of side content
I dont remember P4 having a tsundere tomboy
dont worry, the story shits itself in act 3.
you never played it
MGS1
KOTOR2
Automata
Undertale
Shadow of the Colossus
Chrono Trigger
You mean Act 2
Frenchies always resisted the anglo cultural imperialism
Undertale
It's so sweet he played the piano for his cute little sister. What a good boy.
Holy r*ddit lmao.
RORU
RUMAO
well you kinda kill the creator of this world
I understand the game takes tons of inspiration from JRPGS but can we really call it that if isn’t Japanese? Would it not just be a regular RPG?
MGS1
written by a guy who doesn't even know what dominant and recessive genes are
no argument
Concession accepted, also you never played these games.
Chrono Trigger
Take off your nostalgia glasses.
Undertale
Nevermind, you're completely retarded.
that jumpscare was fucking funny
He probably meant the part where
I DON'T WANT THIS LIFE I DON'T WANT THIS LIFE SOMEONE HELP ME PLEASE HELP ME
Everyone play them nigga, E33 clears easy.
Take off your nostalgia glasses.
Why? It's objectively good.
I played through MGS1 for the first time in my life last year and fully expected to drop it within on 30 minutes, one of the greatest games I’ve ever played that holds up incredibly well.
Clea doesn't have time to play with dolls in a make believe childhood playground, she is not a kid anymore.
Everyone play them
Not (You) obviously.
Now you care about arguments? Where was that energy when the chain started out like this fagboy?
This retard think people haven't play Chrono Trigger
lmaoing at ur life rn
Sometimes people need a little help.
Caught me off guard mid-sob lmao. One second it's bittersweet and emotional, next thing I flinch out of my chair.
Now you care about arguments?
Yes. Now type that without crying.
I don't like or support forced child labor in order to entertain a bunch of uppity fake bitches inside their barbie dollhouse. The man had enough.
True, but this success looks more like lightning in the bottle.
Sure. But paying 30 guys for 5 years to shit out a flop is cheaper than paying 300 guys 5 years to shit out a flop. For years now we have an increase in scale for AAA projects. There is a crisis now in AAA land since it is too expensive and indies are eating away at potential customers (youtu.be
So maybe this will cause the suits to pursue another strategy. Fund 10 teams of 30 instead of 1 team of 300
eh, act 2 has sirene which was kino and at that point I was still high enough on copium to think they could right the ship. Act 3 is when they crash the plane with no survivors and youre stuck with the shitty real family.
this is Anon Babble, we don't play video games here
dreams about returning to lumiere and playing in front of an audience
his cute little sister sets it all up for him
starts moping like a little bitch
Thats what you get for letting gustave die you piece of shit.
what a emo twat, ist all "me me me" with this fag
not half the man gustave was
Axons were painted by Renoire. It was stated multiple times.
Sciel is always honest. She doesn't wear any masks unlike all the others.
Lune already got over her grief for her parent's death so it didn't sway her.
I don't know why everyone's freaking out about this shot, it's just their VR googles equivalent, you can see the other family members having this shit on their faces during the real world segment.
Anybody who doesn’t realize that the real victim here is Verso is retarded. Nobody takes what he wants seriously, he’s the one who painted the damn canvas, he’s the one who died, he’s the one they recreated for their own perverse reasons. Everyone from the family and everyone from Lumiere is acting for their own selfish reasons and just ignoring the one guy whose opinion actually fucking matters.
fade to black, sudden creepy music, made me think "MAELLE IS THE PINTEREST NOW"
Play the piano, fag boy.
Be prepared for the big filter incoming after Act 2. Depending on whether you are either a brainlet or a thinking man, you will either hate the story or scream KINO in your monitor.
its not even verso tho lol
Yeah, poor verso was lying and deceiving people in the hope of wiping out the canvas and then Maelle comes along and brings people back. Why are people so selfish that they don't want to die for little Verso? Why are the so egotistically to not understand that only what he wants is important?
but they aren't real
Then painted Verso isn't real either.
Axons were painted by Renoire. It was stated multiple times.
I'm talking about Sciel and Lune
Just shut up and play the piano, Lune's watching.
Combat, overworld, bosses, presentation, story/characters
Yes, maam..
Gustave is a bona fide gigachad.
Great writing, great mocap, great VA, great ideals. I'll definitely miss the guy.
Oh okay but that sounds like headcannon. Canonically expedition 33 is so strong because of lumina converter.
It's alicia dissociating from the painted world when verso doesnt do as he's told. It is when it hits her she cant truly get verso back.
painted verso and real verso are different people. Now play the fucking piano
Yeah it's a bit deep below the iceberg but maybe.
lune spinoff when
It means Alicia is painting right now, forcing Verso to play the piano against his will. He is crying and wants to kill himself but he is being puppeteered like a toy by his mentally unwell sister.
painted verso and real verso are different people.
Indeed they are, but fake Verso is a recreated idolized version of the the real one from his grieving family. Ergo, a better version of the real Verso.
gretaest JRPG in existence
its just better than FF and Persona's current entries
I just thought it was okay, most the other stuff this generation is just better,
Maybe he shouldnt have lied and say he wanted to play the piano in the lumiere concert hall. He got what he said he wanted, so he should stop crying like a little bitch. And learn that lying can end up hurting you and the people you love.
ergo, a better version of real Verso?
what? he's an incomplete copy of a man from one person's memories of him. he's not a real person. He's not even as real a person as Lune, Sciel, Gustave, or any of the Lumiere citizens. He is objectively less than the real Verso, because he could never have the actual memories of the real Verso. He could never be what the real Verso was to the rest of the family. He could only be what they wished he was. He knows it too. That's why even Renoir says that what they did by creating him was a travesty.
I'm not sure if he actually cries, this is the final shot of Verso from that scene, is he crying here? I can't really see.
if we treat both verson as same, then hes still a fag
cant even sacrifice a little for a literal civilization that depends on him
just moping around without a purpose or goal until he meets the team, if not for them he would be doing fuck all until the numbers hit 1
if he wasnt such an asshole he would have gone back 50 years ago and explained everything to people
be expedition 60
bulging glistening muscles
shirtless at all times
aesthetic
lets fuck some shit up at the paintress
what is this ridiculous barrier?
flexing biceps and sculpted pecs easily repel the barrier
go to the paintress to bash her face in
what some renoir cunt in the abyss is doing the actual gommage?
fuck this shit we don't have time
lets swim back lads
run out of time before making it back unfortunately
Gustave died, the women cried.
Verso whinged, the women cringed.
This is honestly why i havent boughteded it yet. Is there any fucking strategy in this turn based game or is it just press A at the right times to win?
I'm inclined to agree. However, at least Testard didn't stomach ulcer his way into making the soundtrack - it probably helps that he had ample time to work on it.
Seriously though, eight hours of soundtrack for a debut professional job is insane.
he literally linked the fucking picture that shows a tear
He could only be what they wished he was.
Precisely why I say he’s a better Verso. He isn’t the real Verso, he is all the things they loved about him, not the bad.
That one's an edit retardarino.
Sciel is the best girl, so it stands to reason that she's also the most useful character.
segachads can't keep getting away with it
stendhal bros... we got too cocky
Family... is complicated.
I certainly know this from RL experience.
Don't you people read the tip blurbs? Game literally tells you use dodge instead in order to learn timings, as they are more lenient. If your dodges give out the "perfect" prompt instead of "dodge", that means you're ready to move onto parrying, which is obviously harder.
Entire 2nd act end was great, but third act felt really awkward in progression
why is she so cute bros
Nah. I'm going to do it my own way. I parry or die. Simple as.
I just gommaged his ass for 53 million.
There are a lot of viable builds, also it's not just press A, there are 4 counter buttons total, for different attack types.
This is the way.
Don't worry, I'm sure Geoff will start pretending to be their besties now that they're successful.
>>what is this ridiculous barrier?
was the barrier always there? expedition 80 managed to get in the monolith fine and attach all the grapple points
There is plenty of character building. Every character has it's own unique mechanic, there is synergy between characters, you have multiple builds, and various setups. That said getting parry timings down is king and near the end it became exhausting, enemies start having weird patterns just to trip you up so you actually take damage.
You can autocomplete QTE IIRC though, and I found getting the rhythms down pretty fun even though I hate soulsborneslop
Ah shit, I read parrying, not Paintress. Tip still applies though, try dodging her shit instead of parrying it.
The comets are easy, there's like 9 of them in a row, just dodge as soon as you see the scratchy ball "grow".
The attack where she breaks reality has some brown swooshes, hit dodge as soon as the swoosh is curving towards you.
One shots him with sword ballet
Nothing personal
Starting Act III and getting hit with 'alright buddy we cutscened through everything, go fight the final boss' kind of sucked. I mean, if they had made you actually go through and collect Chroma from expedition corpses, that would probably have sucked too. With the story at the end of Act II, I'm not sure how they could have done it to make Act III feel a little more smooth.
Persona fucking sucks and best case it still wastes 3 times as much as your time as Clair Obscur or 90% of other RPGs.
Summerfags really have taken over the board lmao.
Anybody manage to beat the third volleyball game without cheating? I did it but it took me almost an hour, this shit's far too broken and basically impossible without good RNG.
Lune was actually kind of baiting the Sirene I feel. She clearly should be the least susceptible to its emotional manipulation since she is the most logical, no-nonsense member of the group, but it initially looks like she falls for its charm harder than anyone. But in the end, when Sirene focuses on Lune and picks her up, it ends up giving Lune the perfect opportunity to kill it.
can you share verso pics that'll make a good pfp
sciel is a gigastacy both in and out of combat. Still tries to support the expedition the best she can, despite being broken inside from losing her husband, and is content with both death and getting a happy reunion with her hubby. She also manages to win over everyone she meets with her easygoing nature.
Meanwhile in combat she's both insanely good at dealing damage and the best support.
>characters constantly explaining what's happening and what they're doing
This, so much. Act the end of Act II where Maelle meets up with Emma and the kids, there are no words. No "Clementine will remember that" tier notifications. You don't need anything else to understand the scene, the facial expressions tell all. E33's presentation is a great example of "show, don't tell".
Also adding
No minimap, no navigational arrow telling you where to go.
You're on an expedition, after all. There's a handy compass if you hit Triangle/Y, though. Filtered idiots probably didn't even notice it
Did it on my third try. I don't know, wasn't that hard. I figured that you have to constantly spam the attack and aim at the general direction of the ball otherwise you won't make it in time.
I have no idea how people can spend an hour or more on it to be honest.
Fortnite concert, clearly
Felt impossible with a keyboard. Did it first try with a controller
characters constantly explaining what's happening and what they're doing
Gustave at the start of Act I is my favourite for this. It's right after he thinks Maelle is dead and he's silent all the way through to meeting Lune. There's no point where he goes "A nevron...I should summon my weapon..." or any of that shit. You can tell that he's still in shock and acting mostly on instict.
IMO, it was alright because its serves more as a conclusion rather than more adventure.
Also, I liked how it was structured in terms of storytelling. Act I introduces death and reasons for the expedition (reasons to live) despite of it. Act II introduces grief and how to overcome it, culminating in the victory against the paintress and all odds. Act III presents you with a new scenario, but this time you decide how it ends, either going back to Lumiere and have a complacent live, or process grief and move forward.
if they just made yhe relationship quest mandatory it would'nt feel as bad, the mountain climb one especially, even clea should've been mandatory imo, they just had to make the story bass harder to make up for it but you're missing out on way too much stuff, i'm fine with the other bosses and tower staying optional, and speaking of which, what's with the red canvas all over, is that cut content?
It's fine, it just takes some getting used to the timing. Also I feel like most people that I've seen do this part don't utilize running which fucks you if you need to go from one side to the other.
I just started parrying her. It clicked just as she got maelle down to 5 hp with self-res already used. Then I popped the team res power of maelle and shat down her throat. Got parries down on the first go on all her second phase attacks too No dodges needed
wish they buffed that useless as shit consume 10 burn to deal damage ability. That sucks donkey dick.
No existence face
Gustave's death kinda ruins it all for me
The camera can mess with your timing if the perspective changes significantly, like for a lot of projectile attacks that feel like they take longer to travel if they target the left or right characters.
That's not how it works. The painters don't mind control people at literally any point of the story, even Aline can't do that and Aline is by far the most powerful paintress. The marks on her face are to show that Maelle has obviously been in the painting too long and it has started to destroy her, just like what she was warned against. Verso is being forced to play against his will, but not in a literal mind control magic way. It's him being alive, the whole setup, is what is being "forced". This game isn't anime nonsense like that.
The entire game makes great use of silence. Awkward pauses, shock, emotional scenes. Not quite Drive/Turin Horse-tier, but it definitely feels closer to an arthouse film than your average video game or a marvel schlock.
There was no random >woman has to explain she's strong and independent and is always held back by men moment either.
shit was so unnecessary. writers think they're smart for ned starking niggas but it's retarded because it doesn't add to the story or make it better. sure you got the shock value but you also killed the only likeable character in the game and replaced him with a pajeet scammer
honestly i can understand stendhal being OP but without it even monoco shits on her damage.
She's virtually useless outside of virtuoso already, burn damage is dogshit, 90% of her skills are dogshit, swordballet only matters precap and does absolute dogshit damage later on, you're basically stuck spamming paintress skills, even the gustave skills is dog
0%, all the devs with talent are going to immediately get bought up by other studios for higher pay and better positions.
Maelle has obviously been in the painting too long
Her parents have been in the painting for much longer. 67 "years" vs only 16
shit was so unnecessary.
Actually, Gustave's death is pretty necessary to the overall narrative. The thing that's unnecessary is Verso romancing your party members. I can't tell whether you have actually played the game or not, and I can't tell whether or not you've beaten it if you have played it, but it was necessary.
Indeed. Then, he suddenly just nopes out and tries to summon his persona. No words, just silence until Lune stops him from shooting.
A fucking kino way to start things off. I expected Normandy landing as soon as the expedition started, but not THAT badly... That was a lot of bodies at least until I got to the forgotten battlefield. I thought some of the other non-party expeditioners from 33 would serve as shop/upgraders/whatever....
Gustave vs Lune fight was fantastic. THIS is how you sell a competent female character, not whatever your average movie/vidya writer is doing.
Yes we can.
The phoenix one, right? It saved my ass a couple times, too.
It's crazy how unlikable Verso ends up being
They say this is the highest rated game of all time, i agree its a 10/10 across all board.
I think Expedition 33 ruined all other games for me, its just THAT good
I was bummed out by it too, but right from the start of the story I figured he would die to save maelle. Although I thought it would be at the end and then pass on a "you must go live on and enjoy your long life" mesage.
He was cool, but I think it would've been fine if we didnt get verso. Moments in the story where they reminisnce about him and how he would love all the things they saw really sells you on the loss.
I did love all the old expeditions and what they did, gustave being an expedition historian was a good addition and I wish he had someone else to add more info on the expeditions you find
Wake up after the beach massacre
"Well that happened"
made it off the beach
made it all the way to the indigo tree solo
dies abruptly
what did they mean by this
10/10 across all board.
Expedition 33 ruined all other games for me
It was a good game, but it's not that good.
could he kill the paintress?
Maelle is a much weaker painter than the other family members. Hell, that's the reason why she got reborn when she entered the painting instead of just entering as Alicia.
About the Paintress fight, phase 2 low hp she just curses you to die in 2 turns, how are you meant to win? I somehow still won, but basically I got her to like 3% hp, while Lune and Maelle both died, and then a cutscene played and it transitioned into the 3rd "phase" where you can't lose anymore.
So what I'm saying is, did I manage to dodge the curse with Verso or is it random or what? What was intended here?
The writer is confident enough to have silence, or let a picture tell a thousand words. Most modern movies or games don't have this because either they writer doesn't trust himself, or focus group testing showed that some poeple didnt get it. So they had to add in an extra line so everyone understands whats happening.
Exactly. The modern movieslop would add some kind of "Im a woman but i have more balls than you and I say we dont chase after maelle". Sciel and Lune dont make their womanhood their entire character and instead act like human beings.
nah its more like TLoU, its praised like god's gift to gaming when games in the genre are just overall better.
I would've said the same thing if they didn't make Maelle a new character in act3 who just boiled down to a spoiled child who didn't want to lose her new escapist toy which her ending amplifies
Gets distracted for 1 second by Gustave calling out to him
dies
Nice going Gustave
Her parents are absolute masters of the art, Aline has been in the painting for well over 100 years by the time she is forced out. Alicia isn't as skilled and she is also very frail, so it might be the case that she wouldn't last as long. Also there's a good chance the ending sequence takes place years later judging by the appearances of a few characters, mainly Verso.
sciel is definitely the best character in the game when combined with cheater and intervention. intervention at worst makes her the second best character in the game because she can let the best character in the game (whoever you consider that to be) take a second turn
essentially, sciel can take her first turn (free). then she gives up her second turn with intervention for 5 AP (which also charges your gradient attack by the way). if you have energy master + energizing turn, your other character will automatically start with 9 AP.
now your other character has two turns with cheater
all of this essentially gives you 3 turns and a bunch of extra gradient charge.
all of this ignores everything else she can contribute (double damage, perma-slow/perma-haste from her weapon, mighty guard)
If you free aim the balls, it adds 2 turns to your doom counter, so you have to balance popping the balls among your party because only 2 balls appear every time she gets a turn.
He'd be too busy shagging Sciel and attempting to shag Lune.
Play more jrpgs.
Play more jrpgs.
Play more jrpgs.
Play more jrpgs.
Play more jrpgs.
DID I MENTION, PLAY MORE FUCKING JRPGS
verso could also look different because he's been repainted.
The markings in her face show that she's an intruder of the painting rather than a natural denizen. Verso's resistance breaks her immersion and shows her what she truly is.
whistles for magic Esquie
autoruns on road to quest marker
paint vision activates
"Mhmm....giant slash marks all over the victim....a Nevron™, gotta be"
"Come on, Esquie"
follows nose
gestrals in Nevron™ costumes appear
"OY MERDE PUTAIN FROMAGE, IT'S A FUCKIN' EXPEDITIONER IT IS! GET "EM"
"Shit you stink" DA DIN DIN DAN *sets guys on fire and they stumble and recover immediately, does a cinematic slash and cuts guys in half"
"Mhmm....Gestrals™ pretending to be Nevrons™......better tell the expedition leader about this"
"Come on, Esquie"
autoruns on road back to village
"OY MERDE PUTAIN MERDE, WOT ABOUT DA CONTRACT WESE PAIDS YA FOR YA MERDE FROMAGE?"
"Just some gestrals posing as Nevrons™, here's proof shows flipper"
"OY MERDE, HERE'S YA REWARD DA WHOLE LUMIERE CHIPPED IN"
"Painted in Danger" Complete DA DIN DIN DI DAN
10 chroma received
More like he's going to be exposed after putting it on Expert and getting brutally mogged by the timings LMAO.
no the skills that consumes 10 burn to increase its damage, not the gradient res
writers think they're smart for ned starking niggas
He was about to blow his brains out soon as the expedition started. He did suicide by cop at first opportunity. His primarly objective was to off himself.
We have, E33 blows them away.
I actually felt like Lune gave in to her artistic side which "fulfilled" Sirene, making her disappear. My friend worked on the game so I'll ask him eventually. I've been talking to him about the game a lot and I feel like he's kinda fed up. He promised me a full on lecture about the lore once we meet tho
Metaphor was even better though. lmao no way jk
Basically yeah, regardless of what it says about her condition, it's meant to simply say "She might look happy and all but here's what's really going on." I don't know where the "mind control" stuff comes from.
JRPGs are bottom of the barrel garbage genre, E33 is one of the first JRPGs that is actually good, really fucking good, that's why it's getting hyped like it is
I thought some of the other non-party expeditioners from 33 would serve as shop/upgraders/whatever....
Most expeditioners went on their final year. And the older expeditions are too old to have lasted. With the countdown people essentially age twice as fast.
at least until I got to the forgotten battlefield
Makes you wonder how big the older expeditions are. Gustave seemed impressed with how many people he managed to recruit. And there were like 20, 30 max. The battlefield has 100s of corpses
when games in the genre are just overall better.
JRPGs are not overall better than this, at all.
game is so high effort, devs fully modeled Lune's dead parents just for this shot
no map
i still can't tell when i've explored an area fully. shit makes me so mad i'm about to drop it. give me corridors over this garbage any day
lmao nah. stop shilling nigga
character design 6/10 (just look at sciel or the gestrals, ugly af). no one would rate these designs as 10s.
art 7/10. maybe higher since you can argue it fits in with the painted aesthetic
music 9/10 or 10/10, perfectly fits the game and the setting
setting/world 8/10.
gameplay 8/10. depends on if you like parryslop. Act III is kinda rushed and combat is too poorly balanced in the final act.
character writing 5/10. gustave was probably the only likeable character in this whole thing.
Yes. I was spamming healing tints and parrying, dropped a few 9 AP moves and then could do a full res. Felt pretty kino. Especially since the renoir fight was a slog.
Not a JRPG or good at all
Metaphor is a somehow even more casualized Persona, which I didn't believe was possible.
E33:
pay attention to character's gimmick and enemies so I can have a better use of the skills, or skip my turn
select passive skills that could match my playstyle
pay attention to enemy attacks so I can parry/evade or determine what do I have to do next
other RPGs:
pay attention to enemy health bar and reactions to my attacks so I can use the skill with big number
bring up bag to select one of the 100+ potions that could make number go up
select armor that makes number go up
wait for the enemy turn to end so I can assess damages and what to do next
use the turbo button to speed things up
Just drop the "I need to check off every map icon" mindset. Not that kind of game. The devs are former Ubisoft and they know better to not add that garbage here.
combat 9.5/10
overworld 10/10
sense of adventure 9/10
OST 9/10
art design 9/10
characters 8.5/10
writing 8/10
story 8.5/10
It's an all-time classic, easy top 3 JRPG but I can't think of a single JRPG that is overall better
Verso's romance is absolutely necessary if you pick his ending.
nah there are dozens of great JRPGs that shit on E33. The issue is that most of them were made years ago and modern JRPGs are made by retards like yoshitpiss.
JRPGs take you on a quest across a huge world, traversing various landscapes, immersing yourself in different locations. It's like the ultimate adventure game. Like the quest to destroy the one ring in the LOTR. After you beat a JRPG, there is often a sense of catharsis.
The issue is that modern JRPGs are made by retards like yoshitpiss and nomura so they can never capture that feeling of embarking on a quest to save the world
Nothing justifies it for me, the game felt like something completely different after. That was not what I bought.
>character design 6/10
Sciels ass is amazing. The gestals are supposed to be modeling puppets with paintbrush hair.
art 7/10
All the landscapes are amazing and soulful. I'm sorry this isnt your basic grass world/desertworld/lava world garbage.
character writing
the group was good. maelle was the heart of the group, sciel was easygoing and cool, her greeting equie back with mon ami is a great example. Lune got her shit together and esquite was based in general. Only verso was a bitch but that's what he's supposed to be.
youtube.com
Underrated OST, can't even find the real name of it.
just stack as many overlapping damage increases as possible
this is what they meant by build complexity
I got bamboozled.
The question of Gustave was a narrative mistake and should not have been done. He is framed as the main character from the beginning. I wasn't shocked I was in disbelief they would fuck up so monumentally. That alone prevents it from ever having the best JRPG plot which consequently prevents if from being the best JRPG.
this is pretty accurate. it's a good game but I'm not even sure it breaks top 100 alltime
decide to watch Asmongold because it might be entertaining to watch him play the game
it's been 4 hours of the worst dimwit political takes ever and no game for now
Do people really have fun watching this?
unironically what is considered a good jrpg by Anon Babble standards.
And you better not answer with atlus or falcom slop, i'd rathe play complie heart slop over both of those
It's not a JRPG at all, retard.
It's one of the things I appreciate about it, every location feels hand-crafted with zero filler. It could've easily been a 100+ hour game with just a few modern day vidya strategies, but they condensed it to create a better vidya experience.
His entire fanbase is just jaded incels, anon. That's his niche and he definitely wants to keep it
That's only really late end/postgame content like endless tower. And even then there is still a lot of combinations and synergy, you don't just slop every lumina on without thinking
but yeah it does need a tad bit of adjustment so you can't just nuke bosses with comical levels of damage.
The issue isn't really any one ability (although Gommage's damage is comically high), more so just the dozens and dozens of multiplicative luminas add up to ridiculous amounts of exponential damage.
I wouldn't mind a bit of scaling/soft damage caps on endgame bosses
here is a true underrated ost:
youtube.com
decide to watch Asmongold because it might be entertaining
Gommage yourself
Yeah they nailed it.
It's more of a JRPG than Rebirth or FF XVI, that's for sure.
Shadow Hearts 1+2
Black Souls 2
when does it play?
Chrono Trigger, FF6, Persona 4, SMT VV, FF Tactics
This mogs all those though
look up the other ending on youtube
hear the engl*sh voices
Jesus christ how could anyone like sciel or maelle with those god awful voices. Especially sciel, her god awful english accent does not fit her at all.
How can anyone even want to replay this after what they did to our man Gustave? Once I finish this game I am never going back to it.
Ignoring age.
FF7.
FF8.
FF12.
Golden Sun.
Golden Sun II.
Harvestella.
Persona 5.
Chrono Trigger.
Yakuza: Like a Dragon.
Yakuza: Infinite Wealth
honorable mentions to xenogears, ff6 which i didn't play/don't think are that good but are popular.
clair obscur is just a westoid JRPG but the genre absolutely has some bangers that don't get enough attention because most gamers focus on western slop
No, the entire romance aspect is tacked on and unnecessary, and I can see how players would feel like they're getting cucked after Gustave dies. It was completely unnecessary.
...okay? It's a good game, I agree. It's just not 10/10, and it's not good enough to "ruin" other games. People use "10/10" far too liberally and they speak too readily in hyperbole.
Which ones? Every single one looks the same.
When people said this was a jumpscare, I expected loud piano banging.
Maelle's voice is so good dude. Do not disrespect Jen English motherfucker.
Justice for eruptorbros
If you pull on the truck in pallet town 500 times, you get a side quest to reborn Gustave as the 6th party member.
You can never name them because you would be laughed out of this thread after you do.
We *have* played them, we just think E33 is better, *much* better.
In Falling Leaves
I liked Yakuza 7, but the JRPG part was janky as hell and held together by duct tape and string.
He doesnt play games until like after 7pmish. Same of oblivion.
hear the engl*sh voices
They intended english anyway. They just did french because they wanted to.
xenogears
See
I was more on the bit of "Expedition 33 ruined all other games for me". Hence why I made the comparison
play game set in France with French characters based on a French painter family with a French last name named after a famous French painter set in Lumiere (fictional Paris)
characters have a gay british accent
the fuck
I want a map that fills out as you explore it so I know when I explored every corner. Now im running around for 5 minutes to doublecheck it
This. That entire studio is going to have constant corporate snakes sneaking around offering absurd salaries to get them out of there and onto a soulless AAA team. Then when their next AAA game inevitably fails they'll get fired.
I just beat FF7 for the first time last year. I struggle to even think of one single aspect it does better than E33, literally just one.
Maybe quests? That's really about it.
Manletbros, we won this one
the only reason i like xenogears is because of mechs
I was more on the bit of "Expedition 33 ruined all other games for me".
You're getting lost in the weeds. Expedition 33 is good, but it is neither a 10/10, nor is it good enough to "ruin all other games". Did we really need to go backwards in the conversation that far?
I'm really tempted to use a one shot build for Simon but I'd feel like a pussy. How doable is he without them?
Damn, 1:55 goes hard
true. but that was probably the only bad part about Yakuza 7. They didn't fuck up the story which is legitimately more than I can say about E33. And I swear I beat Renoirs ass more times than I beat Kuze's ass in Yakuza 0
people like this shouldn't be allowed to breathe the same air as me
I still like Xenoblade 2 better
characters have a gay british accent
english consumers are larger base than french speaking ones
I dont know anon makes sense to me.
Kind of based tbdesu
you bought a depressing game in which people die. Gustave dying was in line for that. The entire world being a painting and it being about family drama was not
no more shilling pajeet. most posters here could name a dozen better JRPGs
you are a filthy subhuman and your hivemind cult hate the game so you have to hate it
I would love to smell her feet... and Clea's
here is a true underrated ost:
Btw seems they added (at least on youtube) the missing tracks on the playlist
youtube.com
I wasn't shocked I was in disbelief they would fuck up so monumentally
Couldve been kino if maelle gets pushed onto esquie. There is a moment of mourning and coming to terms with it, and then later gustave returns and everyone hugs.
I have this issue with most of the fake bad guys out there in fiction, usually they get their early villain cred by being a violent asshole to the protagonists for no reason, and explain themselves with ominous vague bullshit instead of laying out their actual sympathetic motivations. They're basically being counterproductive and dense just so that the heroes can hate them for a while before learning some backstory that could've been said outright in one sentence the first time they met
from mostly newbie devs
shill moment. The game is made by ex-Ubisoft AAA devs
When he told her that if he tells her to "run", to do so immediately
Finish the lampmaster
Yay, we have as ship now, let's throw some rocks again since we're closer
"Run."
Yeah, that was it for him. Still kino Especially with his last victory screen - he did hit Renoir badly but he just autohealed himself again...
You're a retarded manchild drunk on nostalgia. The combat, enemy design, boss design, characters, overworld, art design, OST are all far, FAR better in E33.
Only FF8 and Golden Sun is above E33 in that list.
english consumers can understand a french accent anon. they just sound a bit gay but it's totally comprehensible
game set in feudal japan
daimyo somehow has a perfect received pronunciation accent despite the country being closed off from foreigners for 400 years
??
7/10 game.
Played on Expert and she was the only fight I ALMOST died on. I beat her with basically one turn left.
It's a 7 or 8 out of 10 game. It's very good, but it's getting extra praise because a bunch of literal who devs made it. OST? Also a literal who. If a triple AAA company released this same game, you'd like it less and you'd be shitposting nonstop about Act III and "parryslop".
I don't think this game deserves to be shitposted, and I do think this game deserves a little bit of shilling, but saying it's the greatest JRPG of all time, that it's 10/10, and that it's so good it ruined other games for you, all of that is facetious and overblown nonsense.
i just named my personal list. most posters who actively play JRPGs and aren't pajeet shills could name half a dozen JRPGs that beat it out
We Lost is the original game of the game
plays during the hardest boss fight
kino
XCX mogs it in every category
Brothership does its combat much better and is actually tougher but I only played E33 on normal
Cloud' taking his helmet off when his theme kicks in mogs every scene in Ex33
Ex33 is just another quirky fake jrpg about depression and loss made in Unreal instead of rpg makier with the quirkiness toned down so normalfags can pretend its deeper than those other jrpgs
I agree and its not even close
But the ESL playerbase is much bigger, which is why proper English is important
Maelle and Gustave are great. Not really keen on Sciel and Verso.
Jen English
You mean shadowwhore? I rather listen to alicia's mute grunts than that creature's voice.
I fucking loved that element, felt great finding out the doom counter wasn't just a 'fuck you, kill the boss before it hits 0" shit.
Other enemies had shooting elements too.
Lampmaster simon says
The petank that has that glowy rock teleporting weak point
I like this one
youtube.com
love how melodramatic it is
that's not Chrono Trigger
Oh you meant speak english but french accent? I thought you meant just french entirely.
I'm extremely confident that if Lune had shoes on and Maelle looked different, Anon Babble would collectively be saying it's a trash game
voice actor autists are the worst. never understood the groupie obsession over them
If a triple AAA company released this same game,
It wouldn't happen.
This game is good because half of its design wouldn't pass AAA process
Cloud' taking his helmet off when his theme kicks in mogs every scene in Ex33
twinkboy takes off helmet and this blows away the homolusts as impressive.
can you parry 30 times quickly with no mistakes?
Do you have an absoiutely maxxed Bteam?
if not you're doomed
Amazing dungeon. The music, the dancing figures, the cutscene when you approach the boss. Everyone seeing their loved ones again. Kino
bunch of literal who devs
they're ex-Ubisoft
literally every single fucking game here:
gay anime aesthetic
juvenile writing
braindead, tedious spreadsheet combat
digimon reject pile enemies and bosses
bland, empty overworld
full of padding and bloat
No, these are not better, not even remotely fucking close. These are the poster children for why nobody takes the JRPG genre seriously.
Complaining about the Enlgish voices for this game is dumb. It's not like a jap game where the devs don't actually give a shit about the dub
here the game director actually sat in the recording studio and oversaw the EN voice actors performances
they're ex-Ubisoft
There's like 3 ex-Ubisoft people. The person who wrote the story was in private equity before this.
yeah i mean speak with a french accent. though i did play it with the French dub because it annoyed the fuck out of me that a bunch of French people were speaking with a British accent
It's a cool ending, but I didn't appreciate the message at the end. There are a bunch of hype moments where you first "create the greatest expedition ever", and then assault Lumiere with your army, Maman helps you tip the scales in your favor during the last battle, there's an epic animation of Maelle landing the final hit (not sure if everyone saw it, I got lucky and it was literally Maelle who took his hp down to 0), but then...
See, you're actually a dumb kid playing dollhouse and making a mockery of whatever's left of Verso. But fine, I'll keep the lights on for you, we love you Alicia, even if that's what you want to do.
private equity
so they're literally nepo-babies
Make it more obvious you've never played E33 please.
I fucking adored 33 but yeah I think I still like XC2 more. To me the characters in XC2 absolutely mog the ones in 33. I liked the characters in 33 but there was a lot of times I felt the plot took precedence over character development.
Yakuza: Like a Dragon.
I can't remember a single character from that game or what the story was about.
Meanwhile I can remember almost everything from yakuza 0 to 6.
The lead dev was one of the only ones who was particularly doing much at Ubisoft. Nearly everyone else were juniors without much experience, and considering Ubisoft hires like 15000 people or something ridiculous, that doesn't mean they're all guaranteed to be high calibre
shitpost "A" doesn't work
immediately pivot to shitpost "B"
Kill yourself.
Well I can take his second phase down to 75% with my A team. B team is absolute garbage tho so I'd need to work that out. Maybe I take him down to half and let maelle one shot him when I'm forced to play the B team. I really want a challenge for the final fight and then fuck around with broken builds in the tower
Shilled garbage
Go and play Star Ocean 3, then. You'll get bunny reward for each 100% map.
Only 1 mention of the best RPG series
it's the same shit. these devs have clear connections to money, media, and the AAA industry. this isn't the underdog story you think it is
xc2 combat is so much better.
Star Ocean 3
Considering that the reveal is functionally the same, that's not a bad recommendation.
Uhhh....
the low level ubisoft grunt, the soundcloud artist, and the reddit writer aren't underdogs
uh huh sure thing shlomo
And he didn't pick up on Sciel being a terrible fit? This isn't the own you think it is.
3 of them are ex-ubi. The rest are junior devs who never worked on a game before.
trying to cry about tropes when Ex33 boils down to shitty family drama from a fucking soap opera
normalfags eat up anything if you put a little sad piano and violins behind it
just stating the truth
BUT IT'S A BAD JRPG!!!!
Yes, that's why it's a good game. Fuck JRPGs.
we are now on shitpost "C"
Kill yourself, you fucking terminal cancer Anon Babbleeddit poster. I never said it's an underdog story. I said that if AAA devs released the same game, more people would be shitposting it and more people would be more approrpiately rating it as the "7 or 8" out of 10 game that it truly is. The fact still remains that it's made by a bunch of literal who people. The OST guy (singular) is probably the most impressive literal who.
>low level ubisoft grunt
Narrative Lead
Producer
they're not underdogs buddy
Does Shortcut work for his HP to 1 attack? That might help you get some healing in before he has a chance to fuck you up.
soul like this doesn't even exist anymore
lmao.
gay anime aesthetic
still better than the soulless western RPG aesthetic where every character looks like a drug addict. see: sciel
juvenile writing
implying that the writing in E33 wasn't juvenile and just recycling generic JRPG tropes. they literally copy and pasted the "final boss is actually some other nigga behind the scenes" switcheroo from JRPGs. haha actually the paintress was le good guy
braindead, tedious spreadsheet combat
E33 became that somewhere around the middle of Act II. just lol if you actually had to do much parries past that point.
digimon reject pile enemies and bosses
the enemies in expedition 33 look like the pile of shit i took earlier today bro. other than that, here's renoir for the 17th time
bland, empty overworld
similar overworld to E33?
stop shilling pajeet. post your hand if you aren't a street shitter
Im not playing SO3, im playing E33. And I want a stage map so I can see when I miss a tiny corner that ends up hiding a path to an optoinal boss.
Everything has tropes but some are better than others.
final act 2 dungeon is a retread of previous dungeons, but 'impure'
Great way of asset reuse. If it was another RPG I'd probably be cursing, but in this case it felt nice because I got to hear the different dungeon battle themes again. and it can be explained in lore, these areas could be like painting sketches/beta versions of the real full size areas
unless you can stack shields heals are fucking useless in this fight, and even nigga steals your shields
BASED
Are you a bot? Did anyone even say it's a bad JRPG? No one said that. It's actually a pretty decent JRPG. You're delusional if you think it's not a JRPG.
the paintress was le good guy
Certificate of Zero Media Literacy
Fucking simpleton
It probably does since it activates other health-based picto. I'll need to test it out
Tough luck, then. Get that spatial intelligence in your brain to develop a bit. who am I kidding, you probably use GPS to go to the grocery store down two blocks
bunch of literal who people
still going on about this? this a team of 30+ core devs with experience in AAA, and additional 8+ outsourced. the only reason this game is rated so high is because drooling normalfags like you are buying the media's underdog narrative hook line and sinker
They also did the age old "palette swap" of enemies, but it kinda works because of parry attack cadences.
implying that the writing in E33 wasn't juvenile and just recycling generic JRPG tropes. they literally copy and pasted the "final boss is actually some other nigga behind the scenes" switcheroo from JRPGs. haha actually the paintress was le good guy
Writing =/= plot
retarded newfag outs themselves
you're not using "literally who" correctly btw - it's pretty much a term for mocking e-celebs and wannabes, not actual staff from companies
the game is so-so tho
Compare FF7 overworld to E33 overworld. E33's is so far and away better, many orders of magnitude so.
Nostalgia is a helluva drug.
She IS a dumb kid playing dollhouse though. She's so deep in her grief and survivor's guilt that she can't see a way forward without trying to force back what was lost.
Renoir's been right from the very beginning that 'Life forces cruel choices.' When your family has the power to actually create fully sentient worlds, you cannot trust them with that power when dealing with the loss of a loved one. They point out that they can't just hide the canvas because Aline will always find it, and she's just as deep in her grief as Alicia is. It's inevitable that they'll gravitate back to it again, trying to pull any sliver of Verso that remains when the man himself is dead and buried.
Actually Clea is the most right. There's more important things going on in the real world than dealing with Verso's canvas. The Writers are clearly a more pertinent threat.
and that makes it ok?
Ok, pedo.
eh, I mostly like E33's map but it has a lot of issues. the use of the portals everywhere kind of cheapens what things should actually look like on the map. the map itself is pretty badly designed once you get florrie because it opens up 30 different zones ranging anywhere from level 10 to level 60 stuff and aside from a few things having red borders, you're gonna run into ~10 bosses and have no idea what their power level is until you die and reload. it's just kind of tedious and boring and discourages actually exploring.
before you have access to the water the side content is pretty well designed though.
You can usually eat 2 or 3 hits from full health if you can dodge most of his combo and stack some defensive pictos. The problem with the HP to 1 bullshit is that you can't fuck up or you die.
Correct.
we're on shitpost "D" now
How do you just throw out shitpost after shitpost like this? Do you even read what you reply to? I already told you that I don't think it's an underdog narrative. You're arguing with people who aren't me, but you keep replying to me for some reason.
the only reason this game is rated so high is because drooling normalfags like you
Retard, I'm the one saying that people calling it a 10/10 are being ridiculous. If your next reply to me is another pivoted shitpost, I'm done replying to you.
>retarded newfag outs themselves
I've been here for almost 20 years, zoomer. Do you know the name "Lorien Testard"? No? It's not someone well known like "Nobuo Uematsu"? It's a "literal who". Kill yourself.
cant take a joke
calls others faggots
the enemies in expedition 33 look like the pile of shit i took earlier today bro. other than that, here's renoir for the 17th time
That's the most retarded I've seen yet.
Now post what you think is good enemy design.
Yeah, I think with enemy levels and more transparent overworld progression, level minimaps, and better scaling in the endgame so you don't shitstomp everything, that this game is close to a 10/10, still a solid 9-9.5/10 as it is.
Do you think Renoir's gonna come back and BTFO Alicia after Maelle's ending or will he just let her die?
They point out that they can't just hide the canvas because Aline will always find it, and she's just as deep in her grief as Alicia is.
renior, stop posting. If you werent so adamant about destroying the canvas alicia would feel safe leaving it.
right, its all about execution, and while I think E33 does a good job with the ones it has I think a lot of other jrpgs are better
its not nostalgia french Big the cat is fucking slow compared to all the vehicles/mounts used in the overworld in FF7
french Big the cat is slow
nigga his flying is insanely fast, it's like 50x faster than walking. you are retarded
I really love the progression of walking to mount to swimming to flying, and you see just how fucking gargantuan the overworld really is
you can't give awards to yourself nigga.
nice try though. they literally state the paintress was the one creating everything and renoir was responsible for the gommage
if you just follow the main quest in E33, you are literally just walking in a straight line north. sick overworld bro.
E33 has like 2 main "islands". Each of them are just north of each other. Just walk in a straight line north from the Meadows to Ancient Sanctuary to Stone Wave cliffs. That's continent 1. Then walk in a straight line north to forgotten battlefield, then old lumiere with a quick pivot through monocos station. Then go in a straight line north to the two axons. Then go in a straight line north to the monolith.
NTA but give examples, after slogging through metaphor and bravely default II i refuse to believe japanese devs can write anything above toddler tier stories
>nigga his flying is insanely fast,
since the map is a rectangle rather than a square going from the top to the bottom takes quite a while. They couldve made him twice as fast.
He will come back as she starts to weaken and realize that her living in the canvas actually is unsustainable.
Given the context in the side quests in Act III, Renoir wants his kids to learn lessons, so I would imagine he would let her suffer a bit before going in and taking her out, probably with the help of Aline and Clea.
Don't care. Already beat the game. Nerf everything to zero for all I care
game is linear if you do only main content and ignore all side content
you don't say.
You haven't even beat the second act (if you're not just outright lying about playing it at all)
Soremi soremi SOREMIII
He will probably try to save her again but Im assuming alicia with aline and both trapped in there would beat him every time. Plus the others with them. He cant stop her im assuming.
yakuza games are a bit more mature and appealed to me more
i can still win before he can move
renoir
Shush, sister dear.
that's funny cause FF7 isn't a straight line for overworld. and neither are most JRPGs
also, i just outlined the entire journey the party takes in the main story quest. shows i've played it, where's the proof you even made it past Act I faggot
I beat him by parrying lmao, took me a good 6 hours of tries, but it was exhilarating when I pulled it off
God I need a wife that looks and acts like Clea IRL so fucking bad bros...
The best yakuza games aren't really JRPGs however.
upskirt shot
lame and juvenile, but that's most weeb shit for you
E33 isn't a straight line either, retard. You go back and forth, but no shit that the general trajectory is north because your goal is to reach the paintress at the northern edge, you fucking retard.
Play. The. Game.
I want clea to call me garbage and a writer whore, then shove her painting brush up my ass and lock me in my cage.
E33 isn't a straight line either
It's a straight line in the same way that dark souls 3 is a straight line
I mean if you consume any Japanese media you kinda have to accept they're degenerate creeps. You can still like things and dislike parts of them
how did simon not BTFO renoir instantly
E33 fans don't hate JRPGs btw
And they did the same in the sequel but with Geppeto's daughter doll
instead of looking at the cool pyramid looks up a girls skirt
thats a you problem you creep
clea took care of him
It's like uhh... totally problematic by modern standards