Why are people okay with Dread doing the same flaws as Fusion but not hating it?

Why are people okay with Dread doing the same flaws as Fusion but not hating it?

Dread forces you on a linear path like Fusion

Dread has tons of cutscenes you can't skip

Dread forces you to talk to Adam even more than Fusion

Yet people who hate Fusion act like Dread fixes all of its flaws
Also the music sucks

Super Metroid

Zero Mission

Fusion

These are the only Metroids worth playing.

I think people were honestly just happy to see another 2D Metroid again after like 20 years.

Yet somehow Dread managed to be even more soulless than Fusion
At least Fusion had memorable maps, music, and moments.
Dread is just the pinnacle of drab in every department.

They are all the exact same game with the exact same upgrades and the exact same bosses. Japs don't know how to make sequels, so they just produce endless remakes.

Dread has the same level of sequence breaking as Zero Mission, it’s just harder to find especially on the first play through.

Like you can skip about 80-90% of the underwater section if you get good at Shine Sparks.

I think people were honestly just happy to see another 2D Metroid again after like 20 years.

this is about 30% of the fan base, the other 70% were excited that something they never played is being release so they could pretend to be a fan, while lurking only for any ankle deep bits of trivia to post for some kind of clout.

Makes sense why it sold better than all the other games in the series.

absolutely, as I love the Metroid games but I didn't haven't bought a played a game after Metroid Zero Mission. it is all new fans. it is also, why people are not bitching about it.

no they are not

Found the fag who thinks Dread is good and Fusion bad even though they're the same game and Dread does the shit worse

Dread doing the same flaws as Fusion

worse map, misunderstanding of backtracking, and shitty control decisions to name a few of what Dread added beyond Fusion. I just replayed ZM -> AM2R -> Super Redux -> Fusion and had zero problems until I played Dread. it was so apparent that the devs didn't know what they were doing with game design. however, we also have their track record of making shitty games like 7th gen CV and coming from the same studio that made the absolute stinker, Severance: Blade of Darkness.

pretending I said some shit that I didn't just to be an idiot

I don't think Fusion is bad though, I think they're both good. A lot of was good about Fusion continues through to Dread, even if Dread doesn't get the atmosphere nearly as well. The linearity and long unskippable cutscenes of Fusion are annoying and why it's lower on my list but the series is good enough that even so, it's still a great title and I understand why they made the choices they did for the platform it originally launched on. I don't think Dread or Fusion are perfect but they're both solid and enjoyable.
And you're a fucking dumbass.

That's a lot of text to say that you're a fag

Metroid Dread was a Metroid game, Metroid Fusion was an anti-Metroid game, that should answer your question.

Fusion

worth playing

Zoomer

Metroid Fusion will always be the worst 2D Metroid game on the count that it doesn't even have bomb jumping, if anyone tries to make an argument in favor of Fusion, remember this. Fusion isn't a real Metroid game, it was trash in 2002 and it's still trash today. Metroid Other M being worse doesn't make Metroid Fusion not shit.

Why did you samefag

And that's more text from you than "Sorry I was wrong."

The only thing superior about Fusion is the OST.

I still don't understand what went wrong with the Dread OST. Burenia is the only location with a tolerable track.

Yeah I accept your apology, Fusion is a hell of a better game than Dread

Because I can, got a problem with it?

If I had to really try to think of an actual reason, it was probably in service of not wanting to obfuscate the audio queue portion of the counterattack window. It's not a good reason but the only one I can think of off the top of my head for why they did the OST the way they did in Dread.

I enjoy them both and you made retarded assumptions about my opinions of the games, but whatever makes you feel better about being wrong in that regard. My last reply to (You). Have a nice evening, retard.

Dread is a fantastic game. Just because it’s not perfect doesn’t mean we shouldn’t love it for what it is. It’s also the best version of Samus yet and that has to count for something.

Dread suit is fucking great, not that there are really any bad suits. Every game they do something a bit different and each time it comes out well, one of the best things about the series.

The Dread suit is extremely sexy, lewd even

Straight up perfection

for me it's dem hips

Stockholm syndrome unironically. People are afraid Nintendo will take away the game for another 8 years.

Objectively it ranks right in the middle of the 2D Metroids. Nothing is ever going to be worse than Other M and the original but it's still solidly behind Fusion and Zero Mission, and light years behind Super. I don't think there's any debate that it improved on Samus Returns.

Even though it's in the middle, it's more that the games below it are insultingly bad. Only Metroid II on the game boy deserves a little slack, but ultimately it is just too primitive to hold up. The quality gap between Dread and Fusion is enormous. Easily the worst map design since the original Metroid II. Emmi are awful and contribute to the poor map layouts in a big way without any compensation. Somehow it manages to forget the lore of the series and completely shits on Samus, the Chozo, and X, while also discarding the incredibly interesting setup that Fusion ended with. It doesn't give us any new plot ideas to build future games on, no new abilities or mechanics that promise to open up the gameplay in the future, not even a single new song to join the list of bangers the series is known for. It's literally just the bare minimum gameplay you expect from metroid with nothing extra to make it memorable.

The one thing people liked almost universally was Raven Beak, and they completely waste the character. He literally sits in his boss room and waits for you the entire game. We finally have a living chozo for the first time in the games, and he's just a meat head who waits around for you to kill him. Zero insight into his thoughts on the X killing his men, or the chozo his men killed, or what he thinks of the federation. Is he even aware that the chozo are thought to be extinct? Would he care? Who knows! He just wants Samus' DNA, except when he defeats her and has access to it, then he doesn't want it for that moment. Dumb.

He literally sits in his boss room and waits for you the entire game.

You forgot how he impersonates Adam to tell Samus what a strong, powerful, and handsome Chozo Raven Beak is.

Why did he bother with that again? Was it really just a forced meme? Cake is a lie game design?

You can't even bomb jump and the game has no replay value. The love for Fusion is new and clearly not by real Metroid fans.

You can't even bomb jump

Skill issue.

NTA but he hijacked communications to guide Samus through the EMMIs to instill fear and dread to encourage activating her metroid DNA. That's why he didn't outright kill her when he first met her down in the planet, and instead threw her to the wolves in her weakened state. He does self-aggrandize a bit which is both good characterization for a proud warrior like himself and also rather entertaining when you realize he's doing it and it's not ADAM warning Samus about threats and danger.

There is no skill issue in Fusion, it was removed, completely for the shitty poorly written story.

Prime games have a completely different feel from 2D Metroids

It doesn't give us any new plot ideas to build future games on, no new abilities or mechanics that promise to open up the gameplay in the future

Samus has awakened Metroid DNA now that is questionably under control after absorbing the chozo at the end of Dread, and is obviously an outright threat to the Galactic Federation, especially after the events of Fusion. Galactic federation has every reason to see her as a liability and Samus has every reason to see Galactic Federation as untrustworthy and a threat to the safety of the galaxy, and Dread's ending only reinforces GF motivation for wanting her culled. Next 2D metroid game should have the galactic federation play an antagonist role in some way. Plot-wise Fusion sets up a lot of where they should go with GF wanting Samus dead, but Dread makes it enticing for GF to want to capture Samus to do more fucking with Metroids. This is a possibility at the end of Dread that was not the case at the end of Fusion.
For abilities, flash shift can speed up gameplay and having active Metroid DNA that may be controllable opens up the door to Samus absorbing energy and powers temporarily from anything, not just how she gets key abilities from bosses or set locations, so the limit there is really just on the enemy design. I don't disagree with a lot of your points but you undersell the possibilities opened up by Dread's events for the plot and gameplay.

Metroid

Metroid II

Super Metroid

Zero Mission

Samus Returns

Dread

These are the only Metroid games worth playing. Other M and sudo-Other M aren't worth playing. Calling Fusion "teh best" is the equivalent of revealing it was your first Metroid game, Junior.

Same flaws as fusion

lmao
dread was a massive step down compared to super and fusion

Because fusion is a dogshit pixelshit while Dread is an actual game

Not him but you clearly didn't understand the theme of Dread. The theme was Power was not Everything, Samus gave up her Metroid powers at the end of the game, she still has Metroid DNA but she can no longer access that power. having some Thoha DNA only slow the process of her becoming a Metroid, having full Thoha, completely stopped it. This is why she looks at her hand at the start and end of Metroid Dread. At the start, it was to show that something was different, in the end, it was to show that everything is back to normal. Even if Samus made it back to her ship at the start of the game, she would have drained the ship of its energy then and there.

Skill issue

Super=Zero>Metroid>>>>>>>>>>>Other M>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everything else

Metroid 1 is only better than Metroid 2. Both are bad games

I fucking hate shinespark puzzles
I really really hate em. They could be fun but ever since Zero Mission (really Fusion has two annoying ones too) they've been autistically garbage with them

Samus gave up her Metroid powers at the end of the game, she still has Metroid DNA but she can no longer access that power. having some Thoha DNA only slow the process of her becoming a Metroid, having full Thoha, completely stopped it.

We don't know this for sure, are you on the team for the next game? Or are you making assumptions about where they'll take the plot based on the themes of Dread?

if Samus made it back to her ship at the start of the game, she would have drained the ship of its energy then and there

You also do not know this for sure, you are again making assumptions. At the start of the game she is not in the same state as at the end of the game prior to absorbing the last chozo X parasite. It is unclear how she would react there to the ship, considering at that point in the start of the game we do not see her actively draining the life out of healthy or powerful things the way she was in danger of doing to the ship at the end of the game.

What did Fusion even do right, I felt the game took more away from the freedom of Metroid, Metroid II (yes even this game), and Super. Ignoring Other M, I feel like 2D Metroid games after Fusion were doing their best to distance themselves away from it and finding what makes Metroid, Metroid. Something Fusion failed at being.

There was no skill to Fusion, it was baby's first Metroid game.

We don't know this for sure, are you on the team for the next game? Or are you making assumptions about where they'll take the plot based on the themes of Dread?

It's the literal end of an arc.

You also do not know this for sure, you are again making assumptions. At the start of the game she is not in the same state as at the end of the game prior to absorbing the last chozo X parasite. It is unclear how she would react there to the ship, considering at that point in the start of the game we do not see her actively draining the life out of healthy or powerful things the way she was in danger of doing to the ship at the end of the game.

You do given that she's able to absorb several things with her left hand right at the start of the game.

I know you're not talking about Fusion because babys first Metroid is always gonna be Zero Mission, literally the easiest game in the entire series
So easy it even has an easy mode. The bosses die in 20 seconds on normal.
At least Fusion has shit like Yakuza and Serris and Nightmare to give first time players a run for their money. Zero Mission thinks difficulty is just shinespark puzzles and nothing else

Oh. My bad. It's Single wall-jumping that's still there and requires skill.

It's the literal end of an arc.

So you don't know and you're making assumptions based on the theme of Dread, is that correct?

she's able to absorb several things with her left hand right at the start of the game

The same way she did to Ravenbeak who was a healthy and powerful warrior who was clearly stronger than her, but simply using her hand to drain his life forcefully against his will when he's a hostile creature in good health? Or in the way that Samus always collects items from dead bosses or set locations?

You can just say "I don't think it would make sense thematically for Samus to do or have XYZ in the next game after Dread's message", you don't have to pretend to know for sure things that are clear factual uncertainties.

Whatever is happening when acquiring Omega Cannons is not at all the same as using Metroid power. The visual effects are completely different.

Story wise I wish the EMMIs were built by the evil subsection of the Federation in an attempt to replace Samus due to her fucking their plans up so often

Evil Feds working on the EMMI program and think it's ready but don't want to just sick them after Samus out in the open

X parasite video pops up on ZDR, they see this as two great opportunities

They first send the EMMIs there to collect the X parasite and bring back for data, they also convince the other part of the Federation to set a bounty out and have Samus investigate the planet too

They program the EMMIs to kill Samus on sight, two birds with one stone

However the Raven Beak taking over EMMIs shit happens, and a whistleblower (maybe ADAM before they leave for ZDR) reveals the subsection's Fusion and Other M plans and basically gets that section fired

Rest of Dread happens as it does

I dunno, maybe cause after 20 years of wondering "Oh man the Feds and Samus are enemies now man Metroid V is gonna be hardcore story wise" only to see them immediately drop it was kinda lame

Dread doesn't force you on a linear path the same way Fusion does.
It's by design, rather than by Adam's copy AI saying so.
Cutscenes are brief.
there's no adam here.

Zero Mission is a Metroid game, Fusion isn't. Fusion holds your hand the whole way through and after playing it once, you already did everything.

youtu.be/KZ4akBGUw50?t=22
???

So you don't know and you're making assumptions based on the theme of Dread, is that correct?

It's meant to be the end of Samus's and the Metroid's adversarial relationship along with the end of Samus and the Metroids uncanny relationship. They're not repeating plot threads they've already completed in Metroids 1-5 as Dread was the end of that five-part story. Metroid "6" will be a new start, a new era of 2D Metroid not related to Zero Mission-Dread. You got to understand messages, man. Also, read in on what Nintendo/Yoshio Sakamoto-san says. There will be no Samus vs Federation given she still works for them, there will be no Samus must deal with her Metroid DNA going out of control again, there will be a new era of Metroid though. I doubt even her Power Suit will go back to its original appearance and will keep the new color palette it has currently.

>Dread forces you on a linear path like Fusion

it doesnt

>Dread has tons of cutscenes you can't skip

the difference being the cutscenes are actually good and not just text dumps

Dread forces you to talk to Adam even more than Fusion

I know for a fact you can skip them because Ive done it. Also, he's not adam

Did you know they're made of the strongest stuff in the universe?

I get they wanted to make a reference to Hal but it would make more sense if the EMMIs were slightly redesigned and were made by the Chozo as anti-metroid sentries. It feels out of place that robots built by regular humans put Samus' power suit to shame.

thinks zm is slop but likes dread

what kind of retardation is this

it's very literally absorbing power from the mini mother brains to gain a temporary enormous upgrade to her beam, it's super metroid's hyper beam on a smaller scale
it has the same purple particle effect as when she's metroid draining things in the suit at the end and when she's taking powers from the emmis

It literally is though, she even knowing feels the need to absorb it like a Metroid.

Zero Mission literally does the same thing
Hell it does it even worse because Fusion at some point will tell you what you need to do but now where, ZM will straight up have a Chozo Stature tell you where to go in other areas
Give it up loser

Yes I am just making assumptions even though I don't even understand the events of Dread

Understood, thanks for clearing that up. Mayhaps Samus drained your brain of energy with her left hand.
You know, specifically towards the end of Dread since she was unable to do so at the start of the game's events considering she was never shown clearly actively draining the life out of anything else when she touched it with her left hand early in the game during the extended parry cutscenes.

chozo statues are skippable if you're good but it doesn't really add anything to the experience imo
personally i don't think metroid is necessarily bad as a linear game and super metroid, the most nonlinear in the series, isn't anywhere near as nonlinear as people like to hype it up

I just wish Raven Beak didn't wait to kill Samus until the end. It just makes him lazy.

but he wanted to make Samus stronger, he was purposely helping her so he could clone her into an army

If she couldn't survive their first encounter, then she frankly isn't good enough to be an army.

Zero Mission literally does the same thing

Zero Mission lets you branch off from the main path and do things early, it allows for multiple ways of exploration and brings back bomb jumping, it also has Metroid music instead of having it only at the start of the game, like Fusion did. The Chozo Statue hints served as optional hints unlike Adam who kept stopping you to give you a map and show you where to go. The places that aren't on Fusion's map are just an illusion the game gives you to make you believe you're still exploring when you're really not.

Okay yeah you're trolling

Nobody cares about your personal definitions or what makes a game categorically a Metroid game, fusion is good for reasons that you don't personally factor into being positives but you expect everyone else to also disregard for some reason. Engage with the point being made or stop wasting everyone's time.

doesn't he sneak-attack her at the start of the game or something like that

kill samus when she's on the shitter

EE TOH FAH LAH, TAMOOS ARLAN

total raven beak victory

I understand Dread very well unlike the guy still believing the nonsense that Samus will fight the GF this time for sure guys because of some poor localization that got clarified in another poorly localized game (Other M) to just be some small big wigs trying to call the shots but the GF Council are against them. Given that the GF Army got in trouble for Other M thanks to Anthony and Adam, I'm guessing AI Adam revealed everything to the Council after Fusion meaning these "Ringleaders" are no longer a threat and with Samus's Metroid powers being put away, she is no longer a threat. I can't believe you missed the point of Dread when Raven Beak proved that Power wasn't everything when Samus had all the power yet still couldn't escape ZDR with it and had to give it up to survive.

She gets a clean super missile off on him, and it doesn't even phase him. You can't even see the tiny crack it makes on his armor. This is a guy, mind you, that singlehandedly defeated and reprogrammed every single EMMI, while she can't even touch them until she uses that omega cannon upgrade.

It's not a personal definition when all of the complaints about Fusion in 2002 were thrown at it because it didn't play like a Metroid game, somehow Prime 1, an FPA game, played more like a Metroid game than Fusion did.

Says the guy who doesn't understand how a Metroid game is supposed to play.

t. forgets to call her "lady" in his adam impersonation

There's no solid evidence whatsoever that the GF took care of the splinter cells. The fact that they were even allowed to do their deeds in Fusion, after Other M, shows this. and it was the same exact plot, but in a different location. That adds insult to injury.

Samus Returns
Metroid II

Could you tell me why Samus wasn't draining Corpius of his life here in this cutscene?
youtube.com/watch?v=n8BNpvLyyBI
It looks like she's touching him with her left hand but that might not be the case maybe I need glasses, could you confirm for me? Because you seem to have been very sure that Samus from the start of the game would be actively draining energy from things like her ship with her hand.

He also single-handedly stop the X Parasite apocalypse on ZDR, survived Samus's Super Metroid absorption, and has a stronger Shinespark than Samus and doesn't even need to speed boost to use it. He also doesn't need Thrusters because he has wings.

*quarantined it by shutting doors

he hijacked communications to guide Samus through the EMMIs to instill fear and dread to encourage activating her metroid DNA

That makes no sense. Her metroid dna is always active. She absorbs X passively. She takes damage from cold environments. She doesn't need to feel "dread" and we never see her feeling "dread" anyway. She never looks remotely afraid even when an Emmi is stabbing her in the face. She can barely resist her urge to dab on the first boss mid-fight. And that's headcannon anyway, raven beak never says that, and neither does the other chozo.

Samus has awakened Metroid DNA now that is questionably under control after absorbing the chozo at the end of Dread, and is obviously an outright threat to the Galactic Federation, especially after the events of Fusion

Uh, she lost the suit. She didn't gain control. It wasn't like she grabbed the wheel with her green clawed hands and chose not to absorb the ship's energy (since when can metroids do that). The chozo-X, which itself is a monster retcon, somehow depowers her. It's beyond contrived.

is obviously an outright threat to the Galactic Federation

She has been that ever since she blew up Mother Brain in the first game. She is more effective than one of their armies and they know it. Their soldiers are like fangirls when they see her in Prime3. The only character in the entire federation that doesn't worship the ground she walks on is Adam.

Galactic federation has every reason to see her as a liability and Samus has every reason to see Galactic Federation as untrustworthy

Yeah, one game ago when she disobeyed orders and blew up a space station AND a planet because the Federation wanted to use them to expand their bioweapon programs. But in Dread it's all water under the bridge. She is still on payroll, performing mundane tasks like checking in on broken research drones.

Flash Shift

I like it, but it does nothing new. It's just a more convenient way of moving around some rooms.

If Japanese Fusion says they took care of the old Army after Other M, then they took care of the Ringleaders after Fusion. You're never getting your Samus vs GF story because Samus fighting humans doesn't fit the theme of Metroid, plus they would suck as antagonists.

She's still evolving, Metroid powers would show up here and there until it finally fully surfaces. But Samus does know that something is wrong with her left hand going by the Japanese website story intro.

I enjoy Dread but little of it sticks in my mind. The different environments don't pop or feel distinct as they did in prior games, and the somewhat tedious EMMI bits governing so much of the level design makes it all the worse. The story is also pretty dumb, though I don't care about story in Metroid all that much anyway.

She's still evolving, Metroid powers would show up here and there until it finally fully surfaces.

This is not what you were saying here You seemed quite sure that she would drain the ship of its energy right then and there, now you're agreeing with me that she was not in the same state at the start of the game as at the end. So we are in agreement now that you were wrong about being so 100% sure that she would drain the ship, because her powers could "show up here and there", yes?

If Japanese Fusion says they took care of the old Army after Other M

citation needed.

dread has the second largest number of sequence breaks in the series behind super while fusion has literally ZERO possibility for sequence breaking, this shithole demonstrates once again it doesn't understand anything about game design

Yes, and I still do believe she would have drained the ship of its energy, she could not control those powers and they could have shown up at any given time. Raven Beak screwed up her systems when they first met because he is a Mawkin.

Are they meaningful sequence breaks? Like can you skip fighting entire bosses and/or skip right to the end of the game?

I still do believe she would have drained the ship of its energy

But you concede that it is not reliable that it would have happened, because her metroid powers were unstable and infrequent in their surfacing, yes? That if she made it to the ship then it could have gone either way?

skip right to the end of the game

you can't do that in super except if you start talking about blatant glitches like clipping through walls or some shit but yes, you can skip bosses in dread

What about reverse boss order? Can you fight Z57 before Corpius?

From Japanese Fusion:
"君が到着するまでに被害はより深刻なものとなった。犯人はここで飼育研究されていた「ナイトメア」だ奴は、旧連邦軍が開発した半機械半生物兵器だ。並外れたパワーと重量を操る能力を持っている恐らくXが擬態したものだろう。そうなれば、被害はかなり深刻だサムス、ナイトメアを見つけ出し、そして倒せ。残念ながら奴の現在の居場所は特定できないコントロール不可能なナイトメアは危険すぎる。早急に見つけ出し、確実に仕留めるのだ。"

Translated to English:
"The damage has gotten worse while you were heading here. The culprit is “Nightmare,” which was being bred and researched here. It is a half-machine half-lifeform weapon that the old Federation Army developed. It has immeasurable power and is able to control gravity. I guess the X has mimetized it. If that is the case, the damage will become worse. Samus, find Nightmare, and defeat it. Unfortunately, I cannot pinpoint its current location. An out of control Nightmare. is very dangerous. Find it at once and make sure to kill it."

Says "Old Federation Army" there. Meaning the Council restructured the Army after the incident in Other M due to Ringleader corruption.

Old Federation Army

How does that relate in any way to the corrupt group in Other M? That is incredibly vague.

My problem with Dread is that it’s just fucking gay

NES Metroid: if Samus sees a humanoid enemy, she immediately disrobes and has sex with it

Metroid Dread: if Samus sees a humanoid enemy, she immediately votes for AOC

Yes, I will agree to that.

Sequence break fags are the lowest subhuman fans in this franchise
Right under ZSS coomers

Sex with balls

I'm not counting those dogshit wall clips as sequence breaks. This isn't Sonic 2. You can get bombs early and collect a few items out of first-run order but you can't sequence break in any meaningful way. There is no "reverse emmi run" or anything of the sort.

Other M deals with that Army doing corrupt things. Anthony gives Adam's report to the Council and the Army was punished. AI Adam can do more because he's an AI including giving out their names.

Dread forces you on a linear path like Fusion

It's only linear in the beginning

Dread has tons of cutscenes you can't skip

Yes, you can.

Dread forces you to talk to Adam even more than Fusion

You can skip.

Also the music sucks

It doesn't have music.

Says "Old Federation Army" there. Meaning the Council restructured the Army after the incident in Other M due to Ringleader corruption.

holy headcannon
I saw a cloud pass over my house that kind of looked like the Other M ringleaders

Metroid will eventually go the way of DK, it's going to be a turbo dogshit semi open world with millions of useless things to collect.

Enjoy your shitposting that no one cares about, the IP is going to die catering to the casual bigger audience regardless.

But how do you know that the "old federation army" relates to the Other M splinter group? Wasn't the game written before Other M, even though it's a sequel? So unless Sakamoto had the idea for Other M 8 years before it came out, it can't be referring to the splinter group.

Dread was fun.
Great visuals, alright level design, great combat, fantastic bosses, basic plot, weak music. All up, a good game, worth the money

metroid DNA is always active

Not to the same extent at different periods of the game.

she lost the suit, she didn't gain control

You don't know that and you don't know that it won't manifest itself later in the fruit salad that is Samus's genetic makeup, but you'll pretend you do like the other retard because it serves your point.

she's always been a threat and giving them more reason to hate her

Glad we agree and that this sets up further plot motivation for Samus and the GF to finally have a falling out, it's made more sense each game so it comes down to when they want to actually pull the trigger.

she just blew up a space station and she's still on payroll???

If they made the decision to kill Samus today it wouldn't happen tomorrow, they'd need to take time to plan that shit out since she blows up planets. At the very least they likely have working contingencies for if Samus decides to go against them(which again we agree that Samus has great reason to do so after the events of Fusion). Surely you agree with this yes? You can't deny this and be a sane thinking person.

flash shift does nothing new

But being able to absorb any enemy and get its powers clearly is, I see you conveniently forgot about that.

This sounds like cope because you're never getting your boring Samus vs the GF plotline done a million times in other series and is equally shit when those series did it. Dread did right to move away from the corrupt GF plotline.

i-it doesn't count

oh I see thanks for conceding and dilating cocksucker

the game isn't nearly as linear as fusion which is the statement the OP made, shove your goalpost moving up your ruined asshole nigger

He did, he talked about wanting to make a game that tells the story of Samus and Adam since 2004 along with telling why Ridley was on the BSL Station since 2004.

Well I think most dads don't want to kill their kids

I agree with the rest but you cannot forget to mention the idiotic robot dogs. The game is like cruising down the highway at 90 MPH and then suddenly your engine falls out. Seven fucking times.

Because I like Fusion

since 2004

Fusion released in 2002. Plus, he waited 6 years after that to actually tell the story. And yet he never actually reveals how these "ringleaders" were captured. It doesn't even come up in Fusion or Dread. Wouldn't Adam mention this "old federation army" being dismantled, or being tried for corruption, or being outed as treasonous? As per your words here:

"The damage has gotten worse while you were heading here. The culprit is “Nightmare,” which was being bred and researched here. It is a half-machine half-lifeform weapon that the old Federation Army developed."

This doesn't explain their fate, or how they were handled, or if they even had relation to the Other M incident.

Fusion released in 2002. Plus, he waited 6 years after that to actually tell the story. And yet he never actually reveals how these "ringleaders" were captured. It doesn't even come up in Fusion or Dread. Wouldn't Adam mention this "old federation army" being dismantled, or being tried for corruption, or being outed as treasonous? As per your words here:

Knowing Sakamoto, he didn't have the tech or team before to make it work.

This doesn't explain their fate, or how they were handled, or if they even had relation to the Other M incident.

Given how connected Other M is to Fusion, I would say otherwise.

People overhated the EMMIs in here, once you're used to their zones it barely takes like 20 seconds to usually run through to where you need to go, and their zones don't really take up as much of the world as people say

Dumbass, Fusion predates Other M by almost a decade.

Dread forces you on a linear path like Fusion

It's not as linear as fusion and there's actual sequence breaking

Dread has tons of cutscenes you can't skip

I'm pretty sure you can

Dread forces you to talk to Adam even more than Fusion

This is just a lie

I dislike the dread suit personally. Better than the dogshit fusion suits though

Knowing Sakamoto, he didn't have the tech or team before to make it work.

It's been 20 years between Fusion and Dread, and the plotline has never been resolved. We don't even get an afterthought in the game endings that showcases the ringleaders being caught or questioned.

Given how connected Other M is to Fusion, I would say otherwise.

Could've fooled me, since Samus gets tricked TWICE into helping the ringleaders. She literally sees them creating bioweapons a second time, and she's still shocked? Dread makes no mention of this splinter group, not to my knowledge, and then the ringleaders trick her a third time, by sending her to a planet with the Emmis (which they obviously commissioned Exelion to make). And yes, I know the ringleaders are behind the EMMIs, because they're perfectly designed to kill Samus and extract her metroid DNA, their frames being immune to every single weapon she has. The only kink in their plan is that Raven Beak took their plan for himself.

And despite that, Samus still doesn't question why the feds keep making and/or commissioning weapons specifically designed to kill Samus.

It's fun and the gameplay and bosses are good. I am also desperate for more 2d metroid. Would be cool to see a more open 2d metroid though.

Fusion has the same main writer and wanted to move Metroid from being Metroid instead of evolving Metroid like the remakes and Dread did. Dread moved even the plot forward over reusing old enemy factions and locations. Fusion felt like it was trying to distance itself from Metroid, Other M years later would do the same but worse.

It's been 20 years between Fusion and Dread, and the plotline has never been resolved. We don't even get an afterthought in the game endings that showcases the ringleaders being caught or questioned.

Good, it wasn't a good plot in Fusion or Other M, better to just forget that it happened.

Could've fooled me, since Samus gets tricked TWICE into helping the ringleaders. She literally sees them creating bioweapons a second time, and she's still shocked? Dread makes no mention of this splinter group, not to my knowledge, and then the ringleaders trick her a third time, by sending her to a planet with the Emmis (which they obviously commissioned Exelion to make). And yes, I know the ringleaders are behind the EMMIs, because they're perfectly designed to kill Samus and extract her metroid DNA, their frames being immune to every single weapon she has. The only kink in their plan is that Raven Beak took their plan for himself.

I'm glad Dread gave the plot to the Chozo, it was stupid and I'm glad Sakamoto finally got some cells inside his head to drop that silly GF plot after Other M bombed. It wasn't good in Fusion and it wasn't good in Other M.

Good, it wasn't a good plot in Fusion or Other M, better to just forget that it happened.

Then why did they waste 20 years building up to it? If you're not even gonna follow it up, or conclude it, then you just wasted everyone's time. It furthermore makes Samus look like an idiot for falling for this trick three times.

Should we follow through with a plotline that was so dumb it almost killed our series or make something everyone will like and something everyone has wanted to see for year, giving it all to them in one game? This shit happens all the time, you either shoot yourself in the head or give the people what they want.

Should we follow through with a plotline that was so dumb it almost killed our series

Are you blaming the splinter cell plotline for killing the series for 10 years? And you're just gonna ignore EVERYTHING ELSE that was wrong with Other M? The same plotline was a thing in Fusion, but at least the games kept being serviceable. Other M dropping is what killed the series, and the splinter cell subplot had almost nothing to do with it.