Jesus christ this game is so shit

Because you can use your healthbar to soak hits, no need to design all your sections to have intended solutions, and no need for the player to figure out how to avoid damage in all cases.

Bombs are also bad design by the way

The fans played it as a kid

Found it on our dad’s dos pc in a “games” folder with 150 other janky ass shovelware and it was 100 times better than fucking Dizzy’s Quest 15 or whatever, so people have fond memories of it
Yeah, at age ten we werent aware of the japanese arcade cabinet pc engine exclusive futa catgirls getting fucked shmup culture

necessary damage isn't a lack of avoiding damage, it's tightening your allowance for mistakes in the next segment
veteran gamers understand this concept, it's apparently really hard for newcomers and video watching secondaries though

youtube wannabe e-celeb makes it his life mission to manufacture a smear campaign against all western-made shmups

suddenly a lot of the great games I used to love playing back in the day are considered "slop" just because a bunch of non-shmup players watch his videos, hear him bag on "euroshmups", and assume they're trash without even playing them to see for themselves

John Electricunderground has caused irreversible damage to shmup discourse and I'm fucking sick of it.

This. Niggas in this thread will never be Lord of the Game

That's such a basic response to the argument against 1-HKO system it's not even funny, dude. Health/Shield should be treated as resources, much like your precious lives and bombs. A player can still "brute force" a 1-HKO game by grinding until they memorize patterns or spam bombs, rather than truly understanding the mechanics. The idea that health/shield systems inherently encourage brute-forcing is a false generalization, because you WILL get shredded in Tyrian if you think you can "brute-force" through later levels.
I rest my case.

I was about to

inb4 bombs

The majority of games with a bombing mechanic can be played without hitting the button once, and without dying. Also the closest equivalent is autobomb, since otherwise you still have to press the button or you can die with bombs in stock.

A player can still "brute force" a 1-HKO game by grinding until they memorize patterns or spam bombs, rather than truly understanding the mechanics.

Which mechanics are you thinking of that would be unnecessary to shooting and dodging in a shmup? At that point it would only apply to scoring.

it's apparently really hard for newcomers and video watching secondaries though

You aren't fooling anyone, when it comes to shmups even superplayers agree euroshmups are janky and unfun, all their big dick scores will be jap games.

oh, a tertiary
sorry you're too far for me to talk down to, you types are just, well, anyway
good luck out there

I accept your concession.

I played Raptor as a kid and many times as an adult. I couldn't stand Tyrian when I played it as an adult. Felt very clunky.

It's fun so obviously shmupfags hate it.

*thumbs up*

Shmup discourse is honestly one of the worst out of any genre

I already accepted your concession.

Because you fags keep begging for... whoever random indie dev makes shmups in [current year] to casualize them. The genre is barely alive anymore but it still offends you.

*thumbs up*

can be played without hitting the button once, and without dying

okay still bad design

It's the curse of games that are "pure gameplay" such that there really is no meaningful way to discuss them since the only meaningful means of expressing one's thoughts about it are literally through the gameplay itself.
It'd be like discussing competitive masturbation. There's no point.

Some games look better than others, some have better sound and music, some have better charm and etc. The gameplay still isn't the whole of it but I do get your point

can fully master the game to the point of never needing a single death or a bomb

all while getting high scores

this is somehow bad design

Explain

And health/shield games can be played without getting damaged or dying if played well enough. Your point in this hypothetical situation is?
Let's face it, you accusing of health/shield systems allowing players to soak-up damage, then the bombs and lives systems is just as guilty. 1-HKO systems can just be as bad, and health/shield systems can just be as demanding. It all depends on how the game is designed as a whole, how the game makes the player engages with its available mechanics, not weather it uses 1-HKO or health/shield systems.
I'm not saying any system is inherently better than the other, but you, blindly stating that 1-HKO is simply better because "it encourages good level design and pushes the players to play better", is simply untrue.

lets you skip patterns

Literally who

don't mind me, just bypassing your game

btw i beat it, only took me $2.25, game was too short and too easy

I bet your typical shmupfag did not complete tyrian on the LORD difficulty. I can barely get past the first level.

buying extra lives is also bad design

And health/shield games can be played without getting damaged or dying if played well enough.

"Well enough" meaning being a TASbot? That's not good design.

you accusing of health/shield systems allowing players to soak-up damage, then the bombs and lives systems is just as guilty.

You ever played a game with the typical lives + bombs system?
Unlike a game with healthbars, again it's possible to die with all bombs in stock, whenever you die you stop shooting enemies/bosses until you respawn, you can drop power ups, and if you care about scoring then usually you are losing out a lot.
In a game with healthbar, getting hit means nothing until it's your last HP.
And that of course does not do away the original argument being also about game design, with the former it will be considered unfair if there is a section where you need to die or use bombs, while the latter allows a more lazy approach to level design especially if the health bar is maxed out at the start of every stage or before anything dangerous.

bot

"Well enough" meaning being a TASbot? That's not good design.

Unrelated, well done going off on a tangent.
You keep focusing on the details while missing the whole picture, and you keep bringing up hypothetical situations and treat them as facts. It's tiring.

Unrelated

Absolutely related and relevant to the game in OP even

Well I played Tyrian, Touhou, Striker 1945, Platypus, Sine Mora, Trouble Witch Origins, and I didn't know or care about TAS, why should I care about it now?

You might have watched one accidentally because some fags don't label their replays as TAS.
There are also some channels that only specify having played with savestates(not practicing before the run, mind you) in the description.

Well that sucks but I don't watch JewTube for shmups unless they are game trailers.

Let me guess, are you playing a port on a chink handheld?
If so that's the most kinoway to play