Vivec supposedly made the spear from his own love and turned it into a deadly weapon by utilizing a secret he "bit off" Molag Bal's spear while they were married. After attacking Molag Bal, Vivec used his new spear to kill all the thousands of offspring he had birthed with his then spouse, turning them into barren and withered bone-shapes.[1][UL 1] It was at this point that it was named Muatra.
what
Is this the much-praised Morrowind lore everyone is talking about?
I don't remember this part.
I thought he killed a beast and ripped out the spine for the spear.
"bit off" Molag Bal's spear
Molag Bal's
spear
while they were married
uhmm.....chat?
vivec raping his children to death does not sit well with me
But Vivec made of his spear a more terrible thing, from a secret he had bitten off from the King of Rape. And so he sent Molag Bal tumbling into the crack of the biters and swore forever that he would not deem the King beautiful ever again.
Vivec wept as he slew all those around him with his terrible new spear. He named it MUATRA ...
36 Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 14
Those are his kids he's killing btw
why?
Vivec is intersex with two functioning sets of genitals and identifies as both male and female interchangeably
the best part of that Sermon is him saying Molag Bal is a gentle rapist and Molag Bal saying that he can't help it because his "spear" is made of love
jew does drugs
writes a bunch copying crowley but with more gay rape
ok, chud
none of that is true because Vivec is a liar
there's actually a line from Sotha Sil in ESO that I think sums them up pretty well where he says something that's pretty much along the lines of Vivec thinking he's a great poet but Almalexia is actually better at telling stories because he knows the difference between fiction and reality and knows his stories are full of shit but she's crazy enough that she believes her own hype
By the way this is the hero god-king of the glorious Dunmer race. Don't forget the savior of man Pelinal, a time travelling robot whose favorite hobbies was genocides and sucking dick. Then there is the legendary human Emperor Reman, who was conceived when a guy raped a hill. He went on to win many wars and jerk off on the corpses of his enemies. Just in case you think you've crossed some sort of line in your role-playing, just remember, there is no line.
"orcs are poop people" is fucking hilarious
TES lore all sounds like bullshit. If Nerevar was so strong he could catch and hold Ysmir's shouts with his bare hands how the fuck did he job to these three losers?
I feel those all those things are organic (except Pelinal being a robot, I always thought that to be unoriginal and lame).
It's similar to how real life mythology has weird things happening, because that's how ancient civilizations rationalized the world that surrounded them.
Vivec achieved CHIM
Foul murder.
Is that not supposed to sound cool? You don’t think that’s metal as fuck?
micheal kirkbride did drugs and wrote backstory
it cant get better than that
Trickery.
leave it to molag to rape bitches until they love him
i think it had become an actual literal spear by the time he was killing his children so he didn't rape his own kids, he just stabbed them to death
which is marginally less fucked, i guess?
You mean when three gods hopped on reality breaking juice stabbed him in the back using their position as trusted confidantes, friends, generals, and wife?
Kirkbride just likes to write weird sex shit, simple as
Yeah, those sound like things straight out of mythology. Egyptian, Norse, Zoroastrianism, and the pre-sanitized jewish stuff has tons of shit like this. And that's not even touching hindu stuff that a lot of the elder scrolls mythos is based on.
Except he claims to have never touched anything harder than a beer and is just a fan of ethnic religions and hate the tameness of western civilization.
He'd just fought the Dwemer, then he had to fight Voryn Dagoth, then they used poison during his ritual to ring up Azura
Nerevar had zero capability to fight back
I wonder what vampires think of vivec btfo'ing their rape daddy in a fit of psychedelic induced autism
Except he claims to have never touched anything harder than a beer
I genuinely don't believe him on this part
morrowind was good in spite of kirkbride not because of him
oblivion was a return to form
vivec literally named his weapon TRAUMA
a return to pure mediocrity?
Christianity is also quite esoteric, unfortunately most plebs just reach the "Biblical accurate angels" part and never explore more.
Take for example Revelations
In his right hand he held seven stars.* A sharp two-edged sword came out of his mouth, and his face shone like the sun at its brightest.
I genuinely don't believe him on this part
Anon, believing people need to use drugs to be creative is NPC tier.
Steve Ditko was one of the most down to earth, simple individuals the world has seen and he created Doctor Strange.
Arena and daggerfall arent mediocre(for their time). Oblivion is now and was then not even mediocre but flat out bad
Don’t leave out the Greeks, Aphrodite was formed from Uranus’ severed cock and balls.
It's esoteric because it's been butchered back and forth between 5 different languages and comes originally from a very small cult of people from a now extinct empire who even in the official language say a lot of nonesense because it's using long dead memes and idioms.
What’s wrong with Pelinal being a robot?
Metal, perhaps. Comprehensible? That's another story.
That's every religion thoughbeit
Interesting how none of morrowind's cool stuff is seen in gameplay, just books and talking.
Bethesda is incapable of making good gameplay
It's esoteric because it's been butchered back and forth between 5 different languages
Anon, if for some reason the entirely of the New Testament was lost, we would be capable to reconstruct the whole text, just by using all the quotations made by the Church Fathers.
The Bible is one of the more reliable ancient texts we have.
It’s easy to comprehend you just have to get your mind to think on a higher scale. You’re looking at this like a regular human and not someone that lives in a world where a guy can eat dirt and use his voice to resurrect people.
the game is set thousands of years after all the cool shit happened
the survivors of the era of cool shit are all weak shadows of their former glory desperately clinging to former divinity
Who is the most hated race in Cryodil?
I always play these games based on who the out lander is.
Morrowind it was a Nord because of the war between Dumber and Nord.
Skyrim I'm a Dunmer because obvious.
So what race should I be in Oblivion? Who is the most hated? Kahjit?
That's all cool and all but the point I was trying to make is "why?"
After attacking Molag Bal, Vivec used his new spear to kill all the thousands of offspring he had birthed with his then spouse, turning them into barren and withered bone-shapes
Excuse the fuck me?
In Cyrodil? Khajit and Argonians like 90% of places outside of Elsweyr and Black Marsh
It's dumb till you realize he's just a Dwemer Centurion whose soul gem took over its sentience.
conceived when a guy raped a hill
dude raped a giant what's not to love.
Guess ill go Kahjit then for my playthru
Orcs in every game. They’re not allowed to have a homeland and are literally called “pariah folk”. Really the only reason they haven’t been genocided is because of the empire
You did kill this chud before he achieved CHIM and became impossible to hold accountable for his actions, right
Ill never pick a damned orc.
Why do people hate Argonians
They can breathe underwater and I can't
It's unfair fucking bullshit
Nah he 100% did some drugs.
Alien tree people that are unnatural and don't belong anywhere
Why are they so hated? Is it because they're so different because officially nords are far more warlike culturally.
I mean these are the people that consider violence polite conversation.
just like real life
I'd rather recognize Rieklings as their own nation and welcome them into the Aldmeri Dominion than accept orcs as people
An actual lot of reason. Their obsession with mysticism, their primitive nature, the fact that they're immune to disease, alleged smell, the fact that everyone used to have them as a slave but now they're equals.
i want to pick the most hated race, except for the most hated race because i hate it
holy based
Orcs 100% in any entry of the series, people just don't respect them, it's mostly the writer's fault
They made a disease that wiped out half the population of the continent
but enough about the Bosmeri
So far as i can tell.... if you are playing as an argonian or Khajit you don't have negative rep with anyone, and +5 with your own race.
Dunmer seem to be just above High Elves on being the most hated with orcs a little behind them. and then reguard is the only other race anyone will have negative disposition towards naturally.
They’re ugly
Dunmer hate them because they enslaved Argonians which led to the Argonians declaring wars on them, so now the Dunmer do even more slavery against them as revenge, purely to spite them
fast forward to Skyrim's time period and the Argonians have declared even more wars on Morrowind and are now occupying most of Morrowind's far south so the Dunmer hate them even more and are probably torturing their slaves to death or some shit
Everyone else hates them because they tend to be criminals, almost as much as the Khajiit - they have tons of assassins and their swimming abilities allow them to smuggle tons of shit through the water and be uber drug dealers and thieves
I think The Hist is an actual respectable entity and quite dangerous too, everyone keeps underestimating that shit.
no you're thinking of the Sload which are a different species
That, and there is a prevailing stereotype of them being dumb and prone to violence, which means it's at least somewhat true since stereotypes aren't completely baseless.
I like Argonians if for no reason other than them counter invading Oblivion is hilarious.
Mehrunes Dagon is Auriel post Dragon Break.
Lorkhan was Xarxes. Arkay is a piece of Xarxea the Alessians ripped out of him to keep in their paradigm.
The people of Xarxes are the Orks, but these are actually the Dwemer.
There were three groups of Dwemer.
The people of Vvardenfell used the heart of Lorkhan and the tools of kagrenac to create Trinimac and achieve immortality.
The Dwarves who protested this were “Orcs” but equivalent to Ayleids.
Then when they built Numidium, that was the third group of Dwemer.
The betrayal of Dumac is the changing of skin through Boethiah (tribunal) of dwarf into orc. Same process created the Dunmer. Mentioned in the same context.
Fuxking with the heart of Lorkhan created the Dwemer, the Trinimac divine Dwemer, and Numidium. But the Tribunal turned the Dwemer into orcs
Anyway, Orkey was actually the one bringing souls to sovngarde. Xarxes was writing the Elder Scrolls to bind reality pre-Tower, and he was stealing tones from dragons which reduces their essence until they became giants then Nords.
Same concept for how the gods became trapped Ehlnofey then the elves.
We don't talk about that, ok? Just enjoy the rest of Morrowind.
He also implied that his penis was a literal spear, or at least very sharp/barbed, and Vivec "biting" it (or perhaps literally biting it) made it more normal-penis-like
Of course it is and they underestimate it because majority of the time the trees don't really wanna get up and do something.
I mean are you really gonna respect the old man with the gun if he simply laughs when you take a flower or two from his garden? He has a ton, take em.
What are you going to do about it?
when trinimac got vored, all the elven people lost their sense of honor with him. I kinda respect the orcs for taking the L and continuing to worship him in his new form, so they could maintain some modicum of honor.
It’s dumb until you realize how the TES universe uses the “it’s inside a computer and the player is god” concept. Since BGS made a terminator game, Pelinal is literally some mischievous Et-Ada finding the Terminator code in the back archive and thinking it might be useful
Wait until you start reading about human history
Sense of honor
To be fair that sense of honor means that when your son can swing a hammer harder than you, you fucking die.
till you realize he's just a Dwemer Centurion whose soul gem took over its sentience.
That is even gayer than "future space robot faggot haetz elfs hurf durf"
I like Argonians but fucking hate catkikes. I hate their personalities.
the orcs worship Malacath because he's the only deity who is a big enough loser to pay any attention to goblin-ken
if for no reason other than them counter invading Oblivion
???? what do you mean?
this nigga doesn't have coin for Khajiit's wares
During the Oblivion crisis the Argonians of Black Marsh counter-invaded the deadlands forcing Mehrunes Dagon to close the oblivion gates in black marsh
That’s what they want you to believe. Orcs are the people of Dumalacath. They are the Sinismer. Their tower will be built at the end of the edge.
It's dumb till you realize he's just a Dwemer Centurion whose soul gem took over its sentience
That’s a very gross oversimplification. He’s the soul of Lorkhan with the heart of Akatosh all inside a shell made from starlight. He’s a robot in the sense that he’s not made from organic matter, he doesn’t literally run on gears and oil
imagine that scene from the live action king kong movie
It's true, funny, kinda epic and I somehow always forget about it.
Must be the fact their race is Namira pilled, in a philosophical sense.
the peter jackson one?
da lizzers killeded all da demons an scared them so good they ran away an an an den they killeded all da elf wizards who bullied them!
I do not consider the scalie wank nonsense to be canon.
en.m.uesp.net
Khahaten Flu is different from Thrassian Plauge
correct. the wildlife of black marsh itself pouring into the oblivion gates.
da lizzers killeded all da demons an scared them so good they ran away an an an den they killeded all da elf wizards who bullied them!
So fvcking trve and canon... and they probably didn't even try using chemical weapons like poisons and mustard gas as per usual because they're fucking retarded... based and hvmble...
Why does he hold vardenfell hostage with that Rock hanging above vivec city? Seems kind of shitty
I kinda respect the orcs for taking the L and continuing to worship him in his new form
It's not respectable at all. Their leader, and thus his teachings were proven to be LITERAL SHIT. And what do they do? They slather the shit all over themselves. In practical terms, it's a story about doubling down and becoming a clown, instead of learning from your mistakes. They are a living cautionary tale.
I mean the only reason the oblivion crisis happened at all is Jagar tharn basically handing Mehrunes Dagon the Battlespire on a silver plate, and even then it took Dagon months to fully take the battlespire even without reinforcements coming in. And then after all that Dagon still ending up losing control over the battlespire and then taking then next 35 years to rebuild his forces to attack the Imperial city.
vivec had a pussy because mk was into that.
Didn't Todd take a picture of him phased out of his mind?
vivec had a pussy
They took their spears out and compared them
It’s dumb until you realize how the TES universe uses the “it’s inside a computer and the player is god” concept
Only retards on r/teslore who take the “godhead” thing literally value believe that. They also believe “achieving CHIM” means opening up the console commands.
it's an internet meme
cry more faggot, this game comes from a time when people didn't immediately start pearl-clutching whenever confronted by something that offends them morally in their media. Modern shit has been so heavily baby-fied, puritans thoroughly ruin whatever art they manage to influence. And, if you've ever actually read a bible in your life you'd realize Vivec raping his kids to death is tame compared to the stuff that goes on in the Old Testament.
vivec took it in the ass
kirby was in the bathroom on acid trying to get 4000 years of orally transmitted lore artifacts in on a tight deadline
who the hell would believe that? surely you're old enough to understand what people say is not necessarily in line with what they do. he has reasons to say that, like being fucking employed for instance.
it just doesnt sit well with me
Have you never seen a woman try to destroy all of the remnants of a relationship out of spite after a break up?
Didn't sit well with the kids either i imagine.
Kill Vivec like you're intended to then idk what to tell you man
Kill a god? How can you kill a god?
Turns out God's and Daedra are in ES are beyond the scope of human morality and incomprehensible to us and our everyday sensibilities.
This is a good thing. Make it like fucked up Greek mythology. Not like a shitty soap opera with superpowers.
Remember how Aphrodite was born?
How is molag bal the god of rape without his dick?
morrowfags are forever cursed by le exotic ethnic tryhard fantasy Kool-Aid they drank decades ago and it's horrible to see, imagine not enjoying all those games in different ways, the seethe for the classic LOTR style is borderline pathological and disrespectful to the nerds who made this series
But then it wouldn’t be rape anymore
You can rape someone with more than a penis.
I played skyrim first and worked backwards through the series, oblivion sucks and is the only one i cant bring myself to finish
Imagine being fisted against your will.
who has the better quest chain, redoran or telvanni?
yeah and your uncle works at nintendo too, we get it, morrowbro
Is that a trick question?
Honestly It makes sense that the western inspired part of Tamriel has the tamest and most noble religion
Believing a deeply unsatisfied narcissistic freak who just so happened to become a god via a method only he understands
All this happened right after he lost his big source of power
He doesn't actually display any of his powers because of some bullshit that he also made up
Dunmer
I understand this story as meaning Vivec symbolically castrated Molag Bal (one of the traditional enemies of the dunmer) by taking his "spear" and knowledge of CHIM, which legitimates him as this protector of the dunmer people (remember, it's Vivec himself telling this story)
It's very similar to the story of Horus stealing Set's sperm in Egyptian mythology, which I imagine is what Kirkbride based it on
My uncle works as a pedo hunter but he touched me when i was 5
cum thieving gods
More like Chimer, there is a reason Azura punished those faggots.
It's canon but it might be An-xileel propaganda just like how Thalmor took credit for closing the gates in Summerset
a man gotta redeem himself somehow
Yes, he also made him eat it.
back and forth between 5 different languages
Except it hasn't.
Greek to English, that's it.
I'm going to soul trap him and use his soul to make a pair of pants that do nothing but allow waterbreathing, sell the pants to an orc who will then wear them, lead the orc with a command spell and leave him somewhere at the bottom of the sea of ghosts, where no one will ever see either of them again.
That faggot can hug soggy orc ass for all eternity as his soul decays. It's what Azura would have wanted.
Telvanni because you get to have fun wacky quests with insane wizards
Greek, to Latin, to German, to French, to English. And that is to say nothing of all the changes in language in linguistics that has occurred throughout the past two thousand years. If you look at how they spoke English in 1776 you would barely understand it.
No, you're just illiterate.
That's not even Christianity, nor any other major religion.
Zoroastrianism
Still has its original texts intact in their original language. Translation goes Avestan->English and that's it. It didn't even pass through Farsi.
Christianity
Hebrew->English, Greek->English. No secondary languages needed unless you're Catholic or some shit and think Latin is special lmao
Islam
Arabic->English
Sikh
That didn't happen though. The King James Version of the Bible is created directly from translation of Hebrew and Greek to English. You're a moron.
If you look at how they spoke English in 1776 you would barely understand it.
Jesus Christ you even admit you're illiterate. English in 1776 is perfectly modern English. You probably can't even read cursive. Go ahead and post hand you brown stain.
The story seems like justification for his embodiment of Molag Bal despite being anticipated by Mephala.
Except there's modern versions that are straight Greek to English.
And your concept of English is even more retarded, Modern English dates back to at least the 1600's.
Old English, the shit Beowulf was written in is practically Gaelic and Welsh, but Middle and Old Modern is perfectly legible to anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature.
That didn't happen though. The King James Version
You never specified the KJV, I’m talking about the Bible as a whole.
English in 1776 is perfectly modern English
are you retarded? Do you think they used the same vernacular as we do?
Modern English dates back to at least the 1600's
Have you actually heard the way English in the 1600s sounded?
Old English, the shit Beowulf was written in is practically Gaelic and Welsh
No it's not. What the fuck is wrong with both of you retards. Old English is a Germanic language.
You never specified the KJV
That's literally the first English translation of the Bible you fucking retard, and the basis for all that came after. You just don't know what you're talking about and are making shit up.
are you retarded?
No, I'm saying you are. You are an illiterate brown shitstain on humanity who can't read the English language. You are illiterate and stupid.
Yes, because I've read the fucking KJV Bible multiple times in its entirety. It is modern English. It is fully comprehensible to literally anyone literate in the English language.
You are not.
The NIV is a direct translation and not based upon the KJV at all.
Have you actually heard the way English in the 1600s sounded
YES
THAT'S WHAT SHAKESPEARE WROTE EVERYTHING IN YOU DUMB FUCK
Cool, it's also based upon Greek and Hebrew texts. This is not some middle english shit.
You got MKULTRA'd
Is that not what I said?
sounds based
zoomers need to stick with dark souls
Oh so what you're saying is it wasn't something cobbled together from latin and french translations of the original and your post was a lie and you know it, thanks for clarifying, now go ahead and admit you're functionally illiterate and can barely read anything more complex than a mcdonalds menu
Dwemer orrery in the Imperial City
I'm not the anon who said it was translated ten billion times. He's just retarded.
That's literally the first English translation of the Bible you fucking retard
That’s would be Wycliffe’s Bible.
No, I'm saying you are. You are an illiterate brown shitstain on humanity who can't read the English language
So you’re saying that the vernacular was exactly the same and that we all talk like how we did 400 years ago? Think for a minute, ape.
THAT'S WHAT SHAKESPEARE WROTE
Speaking is the same as writing? Again have you heard what it sounded like and do you speak Shakespearean English? Do you say prithee?
Modern English is mutually intelligible and functionally the same language. While that guy is retarded it's very likely that you could have a conversation with a 17th century speaker of English.
Imagine being fisted
OOH
against your will
Aww
Hey wait a fucking second, what
When does that happen
*17th century Modern English
You also have to remember that a sizable portion of the 36 lessons is Vivec fibbing out his ass. It's up to you to determine what means anything and what doesn't.
It's just one of his stories which could be embellished or outright lies. More likely they're true retroactively.
It's very similar to the story of Horus stealing Set's sperm in Egyptian mythology, which I imagine is what Kirkbride based it on
bingo
most of TES lore is based on a lot of real-world mythologies. it isn't just a bunch of le whacky stuff.
That’s would be Wycliffe’s Bible.
Middle English is not modern English. It's literally a different language. Unlike what was spoken in the 1700s.
inb4 you wikipedo warrior and bring up the Tyndale translation
Not a complete Bible :)
So you’re saying that the vernacular was exactly the same and that we all talk like how we did 400 years ago?
Grasping at straws and trying to divert attention from the main point: The Bible is perfectly comprehensible to anyone fluent in the English language. You are not.
Speaking is the same as writing
Yes, English is a phonetic language and we do not use hieroglyphs, being able to read does in fact generally translate to being able to speak. Did you get confused with Mandarin or something?
Anon be like
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
aaaah this is incomprehensible white people speak, I can't read it!
literally called “pariah folk”
the only reason they haven’t been genocided is because of the empire
No, these two are linked though. They god is literally the god of pariahs and underdogs, he wants the orcs to be hated and weak as shit but also keep them like that, not gone. So they get support from a deadric prince kinda like Khajiit and the Dunmer
I think we need a larger timeline scale of the entire elder scrolls. I'm not talking about some main game event like from arena to skrim but something from before the game like the creation of nirn, akaviri dynasty, the elves, to the last event of elder scrolls that is in 9th era where everything has been evolved
The question is: is it possible to do such thing with all the retcons or the existence of teso that are keep raping the elder scrolls lore discussion for more than a decade?
deranged treacherous transexual rapist is the highest god of the Dunmer
are the Dunmer just jeets?
Middle English is not modern English
You said English period, this is the shit I’m talking about, there isn’t one form of English or any language.
Grasping at straws and trying to divert attention from the main point
More like you showed you’re a retard that doesn’t understand how languages work and evolve and now you have to deflect while pretending you’re getting back on topic.
Yes, English is a phonetic language
being able to read does in fact generally translate to being able to speak
So if you say the words, knife, knight, sawyer, and knead for the first time you would be able to say them with no issue without someone needing to tell you they’re saying?
The Khajiit and Dunmer get Azura's attention because she is a narcissist who has her hands down her pants jilling off at the idea of their races worshipping her as the center of their pantheons
I think Malacath is unironically more noble in his support of his gobbos
It’s dumb until you realize how the TES universe uses the “it’s inside a computer and the player is god” concept
you mean the "it's just a videogame lol """concept"""""
i wasn't that interested in trying TES because i heard this idea being perpetuated. works that are set inside simulations are incredibly unappealing unless it's a core part of the story like in the matrix.
Stick to the fallout 3 shitposting saar
Vivec thinks it's fine to lie if he divulges the truth by metaphor or seeming accident. He'll tell you one thing but another if you'll read between the lines.
So if you say the words, knife, knight, sawyer, and knead for the first time you would be able to say them with no issue without someone needing to tell you they’re saying?
Yes. Native speakers would be able to understand your pronunciation as well as they handle different dialects today. It's not a different language because it used to sound different.
Outside of autistic lorefagging it's really not like that.
I didn’t say they would understand I said if you would say it correctly. Would you know from the way the word is spelt that knead is said like need and not Ned? Or know to not pronounce the k aloud?
Yes, this is the result of a smart man writing fantasy before we got so soft . Michael Kirkbride was the OG and has a degree in theology (study of religion), thats why the 36 lessons of vivec are so esoteric. Its religious text written by an expert on religion. A lot of the ideas of vivec’s teachings can be compared to real life religions, mostly buddhism
English orthography is phonetic regardless of exceptions. It's not even an exception when any speaker will learn that the k in kn- is silent.
You said English period
Yes, and Middle English is not the English anyone means when saying English.
there isn’t one form of English
The problem is that's a different language, just as Old English is.
So if you say the words, knife, knight, sawyer, and knead for the first time you would be able to say them with no issue without someone needing to tell you they’re saying?
Yes. Even better, pronunciation rules haven't changed from 1770s to now. It's not a different language. There aren't any words that don't exist now introduced-that's the opposite of how this works.
The only reason you're still arguing is because you're violently stupid, and refuse to learn. Maybe you wouldn't be illiterate if you weren't so proud of being stupid.
But how would they learn that without first speaking the word? If someone knows to read and not speak English how the hell would they know that? How can someone learn to read without first at least hearing the basics? And there is another problem there aside from just the silent k words like knead and know, would both be thought of as being pronounced like Ned and now, at least with knit or knight it stays the same in regards to pronunciation. Simply put they can’t and you know that if you know what the word phonetic.
But you do already know all of that so communicating with an English speaker who speaks the same language as you should not be a problem. Retard.
How would they know how to say anything in that case? Why would words like knead be any different?
Characters that differ in sound depending upon their position within a word are still parsed by a strong reader phonetically, or at least on an initial read. The English alphabet is functional enough that spelling was not standardized for hundreds of years and people still managed to read what others had written and readers still manage to read what those people wrote today.
Yes, and Middle English is not the English anyone means when saying English
Wycliffe’s Bible is noted as being the first to be translated in English, to you does that mean modern English? No you’re just using ad populem.
The problem is that's a different language
It’s not, it’s a past iteration of the same language and it changed altered over time.
Yes
So you’re telling me that you would be able to speak a phonetic language for words you have only read and never heard? You would know immediately how to say the words know and not think it was pronounced “cuh-now”, or now? Same with knead?
The only reason you're still arguing is because you're violently stupid, and refuse to learn
You’ve been wrong on multiple points and are currently trying to argue that you would know the to pronunciation of a word you have only read.
Maybe you wouldn't be illiterate if you weren't so proud of being stupid
I want you to define what illiterate means, if you don’t that’s fine, it will let me know the embarrassment kicked in.
So you’re telling me that you would be able to speak a phonetic language for words you have only read and never heard? You would know immediately how to say the words know and not think it was pronounced “cuh-now”, or now? Same with knead?
But this doesn't happen to anybody other than retarded ESLs.
He birthed those abominations by getting fucked in his mother's replicant's pussy.
Aphrodite was formed from Uranus’ severed cock and balls.
Well one of her anyway.
I want you to define what illiterate means
You stated you cannot read the Bible. That means you are illiterate, as it is written simply in modern English. You further stated you cannot read English from the 1770s, which is even more modern. You are illiterate, brown, and stupid.
ahhh you wouldn't know how to read a language you can read so you wouldn't be able to speak it!
You're arguing hypotheticals but the fact is you are wrong: I do speak English and would be able to speak to English speakers in the 1770s. You are simply stupid.
It's not
It is.
You still haven't posted your shitty brown hand, do the needful.
But you do already know all of that
Except in the situation that was put forth you wouldn’t given you only know have only read the words and not heard them spoken.
How would they know how to say anything in that case
Exactly.
Characters that differ in sound depending upon their position within a word
But if you have only read them how would you know the sound? That’s the thing, you have to take into account that this is about reading and then speaking and not vice versa.
Except in the situation that was put forth you wouldn’t
No, that's wrong. In the strawman you made up after you realized you were wrong, you claim this.
Because every single thing you say is incorrect, so you tangent off into some other argument which is also incorrect.
reee bible was translated through all these different languages
It wasn't you're wrong and stupid.
1700s English was totally different
It wasn't you're wrong and stupid.
ok but you wouldn't understand the pronounciation!
Yes you would, you're wrong and stupid.
ok but silent k is weird!
That's because you're ESL, wrong, and stupid. Go post on an Indian message board instead of here poojeet.
The English alphabet is phonetic because I can come up with a random word and somebody who can read the fucking language properly will have a general idea of how to pronounce it. If it's not phonetic, what else is it?
Hindu stuff
But this doesn't happen to anybody other than retarded ESLs.
Or children that haven’t learned English, but I guess it makes sense that is the first thing that came to your mind
You stated you cannot read the Bible. That means you are illiterate
Yet here I am reading and responding to your posts.
You're arguing hypotheticals
Which is what you presented? What’s wrong can’t argue your own logic?
You still haven't posted your shitty brown hand
You never asked, but here you go, now it’s your turn faggot.
*Serana liked this*
Children who haven't learned English are also known as ESLs.
No, that's wrong. In the strawman
It’s not a strawman, if it was you wouldn’t have waited this long to say anything. You’re just unable to argue because you realized that this is a situation that can’t happen without already knowing how to speak.
It wasn't you're wrong and stupid
Typical toddler behavior, go throw your tantrum somewhere else.
ok but silent k is weird
This is a strawman, I was pointing out how someone that only knows how to read wouldn’t know that. But I suppose going apeshit and samefagging is all you have left.
So you’re saying that a child that hasn’t learned a language period is an English as a Second Language? Also no hand, shocker. It’s always projection with you retards.
a child who hasn't acquired language isn't going to be trying to read, are they?
You're all ESL and incapable of reading, clearly. Because this is Anon Babble, and not Anon Babble.
Yeah that’s why your argument is retarded but thanks for pointing that out as well. Also still no hand, so what tone of feces are you?
I know you fucked up with not understanding what phonetic meant and put yourself into a corner with the hand thing, but this isn’t going to work.
Or children that haven’t learned English, but I guess it makes sense that is the first thing that came to your mind
Yes those are ESL you retard.
Yet here I am reading and responding to your posts.
Being able to barely read imageboard text does not make you literate, being unable to read plain English from the 1700s definitively marks you as a nigger in soul, totally illiterate.
Which is what you presented?
Wrong, you stated I would be unable to communicate with people in the 1700s when this is factually untrue as pronunciation and terminology are nearly entirely unchanged.
This is a strawman,
No, it's your entire argument, which is itself a strawman. I already know the k is silent and as does the other English speaker. Since you are illiterate you do not even know what was stated in the first place, why, or why any of it matters and are on another irrelevant tangent. Wrong again.
You're a moron who can't read plain English but will argue about it for hours because being called illiterate hurts your feelings. It should. You are stupid and there is no fixing it.
Whatever, faggot. Stop derailing the thread. If you want to argue and call people shitskins or whatever go to Anon Babble. This is an Elder Scrolls thread. At least call the guy a smelly fucking thieving khajiit or something.
Revelations is a pretty wild read, my favorite is always gonna be judges though
judges
basically wise men and women
one guy was surrounded by an army of 400
picks up a cow’s jawbone and kill them all
samson
so fucking strong
eats honey out of a dead lion like wtf
gideon
promised God if he won his battle he’d kill whatever came out of his house first
ok bro
overwhelming victory with like 300 niggas
comes home
his daughter runs out to embrace him
ehud
smooth talks a king
stabs him in his parlor with a double bladed dagger that nicked his intestines so shit came out
turns 360 and walks out, doesn’t get caught
These guys never get explained either, they were like mythological strongmen like Sakata Kintoki or some shit lol
Yes those are ESL you retard
You already gave this retort faggot. You failed, leave and take what’s left of your pride with you.
Being able to barely read image board text does not make you literate
It does yes, not to mention I have shown an understanding of basic English as well. You need to stop it with this cope. Just admit you didn’t know what a word meant.
Wrong, you stated I would be unable to communicate with people in the 1700s
And it progressed from there with you declaring that you could speak a word if you have only read it and not heard it before. But after that was shown to be retarded you’re now backpedaling.
No, it's your entire argument
Point to me where I said the exact words “ok but silent k is weird”?
which is itself a strawman
It’s not, if it was you would have called it out from the start and not engaged it. This is you making excuses in desperation. Also you still haven’t posted your hand. Why? What do you have to hide?
being called illiterate hurts your feelings
You dont even know what that word means, and you’re mad I pointed that fact out along with multiple other things like you not knowing what ESL means, or phonetic.
you want to argue and call people shitskins or whatever go to Anon Babble
You’re the one that brought up race. Don’t start crying Anon Babble now that you’re being asked to put your money where your mouth is.
Yeah. Samson was the last story I read from the OT and it was an absolutely bizarre trip. I assume all depictions of Jesus having long hair are because of Samson but I don't get the overall tie-in with this borderline retarded and tragic superhuman dude.
Oh and the gangrape bit and the intertribal war... forget which book. That was wild, too.
I wonder if Nerevar could be analogous Samson to ? Champion of a god, too strong to be killed or defeated, only felled through trickery and deceit.
yes
Yeah. I think a lot of people also miss the detail of the sermons being written in-universe by Vivec himself, and he's purposefully mythologizing his own figure in them. A good example is the sermon where he talks about his birth, there's all this crap about how his mother carried his egg-image inside her and she was visited by a bunch of gods, etc. But we as the player know this is all probably bullshit and Vivec was just a regular elf before he had his apotheosis by using the Heart of Lorkhan. You can't just take all the crap you read in this game literally.
thread gets derailed by r/atheism and r/tradcath flinging shit at each other
I hate you people.
i did nothing
What the fuck are you talking about? People are still discussing the game. If you want to cry go somewhere else don’t make random bitchy posts.
You can't just take all the crap you read in this game literally.
So Queen Barenziah never got barb'd?
No that happened.
tamest and most noble religion
lmao
I’ve never heard of that before, interesting
There’s a teensy bit of Jesus there too
jesus: comes back from the dead to triumph over life and death
nerevar: reincarnates to exact justice and order
Stretching but you get it