EL JUSTO

no.

I'd say that 7 being a huge failure is the only thing that can save the franchise but I'm not going to play 8 even if it's good so who cares

Not using every single campaign to wipe her off the map

This was all they could get?

lol what the fuck is Windows Central and VGC
surely they bribed enough journos that they could get quotes from 3 outlets that people have actually heard of

The 'awards' section of the store page features The Guardian and Screenrant, but the rest are literally whos. Pretty grim.

Literally what happened to me too.

hey know umankind that game which absolutely bombed

lets try it again

Crown of Hispania*

you are retarded

So there's no way they'll do more than 1 expansion right? Nobody bought this shit

And Espiocracy
And Gilded Destiny

>Think the concept of switching Civilizations and how eras works sounds unfun

Of all the things to go with they copied this from Humankind. Why?

Really my standards are fairly low when it comes to civ and even I couldn't be assed to get the game. Just seems like an all around big downgrade to 6 and this game had many, many flaws that could have easily been improved on

it's likely that they started dev before Humankind released expecting it to be popular, then it was too late to course correct when Humankind bombed

because it's really heckin diverse and directly indoctrinates children against national ethnostates

initial stream turned me off

district system gutted and dumbed down

no workers, even less player agency

maps are tiny even when set to large you will be in someone's asshole not even few cities in

doubling down on autistic modifier stacking to make your doomstack units even more doomstacky

the biggest turn off was removing leaders being tied to their respective Civilization
civ switching was so poorly done that people everywhere (steam, stream, yt, reddit) mocked it, there is no logical sense as to why why would egypt become feudal france
their advertisement post on Civ 6 got locked not even a day in (people took a dump on it too)

inb4 some asshole will says civ bad at launch

not this time, 7 is fundamentally fucked

"Sounds controversial to make such a big change to the formula but they've done that before to succe- oh Harriet Tubman nevermind this one is going to suck."

a blast to play

fucking kek

They're nickel and diming everything. Even if you paid $120 preorder chocolate fudge covered edition you have to buy separate DLC to unlock civs.

Their inclusion of Harriett Tubman is very telling of the sort of people they are, and those sorts of people simply do not make good games.

A combination of floyd and plague hysteria, work from home, and indian outsourcing explain most of the defects. They should have doubled down on another year of 6 content which wasn't too bad.

Every civ since 5 has felt the same to me. I put a few hundred hours into 4 and another few hundred into 5 but I almost immediately got bored of 6 and gameplay of 7 looks no different. These games just feel too samey after a while

They should've gone the AoE route and said fuck our latest game lets just make DLC for our best one (see: 5).

You say that like the entire premise of the studio isn't to make the same game over and over again in slightly different ways.
That formula grinds to a halt in a really ugly manner when you start hiring retarded ideologues who can't even begin to measure up to past successes.

why you put modern spaniard on your pic

try to copy humankind, a game that was shat out half-baked ane not even tested forlate game

only take the worst parts and none of the good

also release it unfinishee and half baked

I dont get it. These companies have so much money how hard is it to hire 15 neckbeards with 3000+ hours in 4x games to test it for a few weeks?

Instead of civ switching, it should've been civ evolution. The same civilization evolving through the ages.
E.g. Britons -> Anglo-Saxons -> England -> America
Celts -> Gallia -> France -> Quebec
Iberians -> Hispania -> Spain -> Mexico
Etruscans -> Romans -> Italy

This follows the natural evolution of civs and is much better than having modern nations start in the stone age.

But instead of that, Firaxis would rather have Obungbungo turning into Romans turning into Mongolians.

That would require the dangerhairs at the studio to read a history book.

Too eurocentric, can't have that. And because bingobango never evolved at all.

wow, too many Europeans, not enough African and Australian civilizations

what a long and hard fall from grace

Iberians -> Mexico

evolving

I think you were looking for another word.

It's funny because the British inclusion is Ada Lovelace and I think that's stupid as fuck but I'd think it was just as stupid if it was fucking Babbage or Turing, is that discriminatory 2K?

the British inclusion is Ada Lovelace

Wait what? Why the fuck are they just putting random fucks into the game now? Did they really just google for women who did anything in the last few hundred years? Is fucking Judit Polgar a choice for Hungary while we're at it?

Apparently they just released a new WE WUZ dlc, too lmao

Yes, basically.

2k won't fund them money for an expansion for a game no one plays

This would mean acknowledging nations exist and have historical roots and that's too problematic. e.g. If you can't turn from an African civ to a European one then that's like saying african immigrants aren't really Swedish or French after all. Very dangerous to the investor class funding this game.

even if you ignore the woke shit, it just has a lot of really dumb mechanics no-one asked for.
it plays like its a mobile game ported to PC.
also its $130 fucking dollars with day 1 DLC which is just way too much.
civ5 is the perfect tall civ game and civ6 is the perfect wide civ game so there's no reason to upgrade from those

because being patriotic for your favourite nation is problematic, chud

Only if your nation is England or America

That's the point. If the studio isn't going to be developing DLC (let's not grace these pathetic drip-feeds of core content with the term "expansions") for 7, then what will it be doing? Going back to 6 or 5? Skipping straight to 8 and leaving 7 an aborted mess? What would 8 do differently to avoid the same fate?

Man why are these companies so obsessed about sticking it to their consumer base or fanbase. The person in the comment didn't even mention Harriet's race, so they have basically admited that they added her because of her race or cultural background.
I hope these retarded faggots join the rest of the industry and eat shit

They got too greedy. The civ-switching thing was never done for gameplay's sake. It was done as a sneaky attempt to sell more DLC. By tripling the number of civs a player uses during a game, they triple the demand for civs and thus can sell more of them. They didn't bother thinking about whether it makes the game better or not because that didn't matter, they expected it to sell gangbusters no matter what.
The same is true when you look at all the other baffling decisions they made. The huge price tag, the battle-pass like system designed to maximize engagement, high fidelity leaders with full-body perspectives so they can sell cosmetics. it's all 100% cynical greed.
The game wasn't designed to be fun, it was designed to be monetized. That's why everyone says it feels like a "mobile game" but can't put their finger on why, and that's why it flopped. They forgot they're not entitled to players and have to actually make a good game.

It just seems like they made bad decisions on purpose. Don't even know where some of these "ideas" could possibly come from. is it the Wimp Lo of games? Bad on purpose as a joke? Maybe Firaxis is trying to kill Civ so they can go back to XCOM? Or they're trying to be put out of their misery?

as an australian i don't really care if we don't get a civ. the outback challenge thing in 6 was cool with waltzing matilda in the background but i'm happy to just play england

outback challenge

I meant Abbo "civilization", which is likely those faggots will add faster than Australian colonists

It could have been worse, they have Egypt -> Shonhgai -> Buganda as historical route. But this level of we wuz kangs energy was so high, even some DEI supporters laughed.

In addition to having botched launch and just taking direction the existing Civ audience disliked, it also costs $70, and as much as the industry wants to raise the prices, $70 is already out of the normalfag impulse buy zone while $60 was still tolerable.
Also even if Civ7 was good, tons of people were going to wait out until expansions are out anyways. And now those waiters might not buy it at all.

Haven't you gotten the news? Gamers are over. The computer games industry should stop pandering ti gamers.
Surely this will not fuck up everything, right?

How much you want to bet this is already in the pipeline, and they'll have that fucking natural rock formation as a wonder?

Sorry, but nigger pandering ANYTHING is something I will never support. Get the fuck out of here with nigger cretin Mongols.

Ok, Tubman was the nail in the coffin, but Egypt evolving into Buganda should have been enough to realize what's going on.

each city gets +1 food but -1 population as they eat their own babies

Game direction is decided by Corporate and HR.

he doesn't know

"Toxic positivity" is not just a buzzword. Being the one guy who rises up, points at stupidity and says "this is retarded, let's not do it" might be a career suicide in corporate entertainment industry.
Reminder that Warner Bros executives were thrilled about the direction and content of Suicide Squad and were showering Rocksteady with praise and money. Would you be the one guy who tells the managers and executive suits that they are actually wrong and making stupid choices?

they eat their own babies

holy shit they actually did

Uluru (and several other impressive rock formations) have been natural wonders since Civ 5.

Too eurocentric

That part yes, but I'm pretty sure you can do the same thing with Asian nations and even African (like I dunno, Egypt - Egypt - Egypt). If you set as a goal to portray every nations history in a positive way, it should be doable.

It's name is Ayers Rock, and I'm so fucking glad I mostly stopped paying attention to this series after IV.

fucking Judit Polgar

Unconventional choice, but in fact, why not.

it hasn't been called that in 30 years you fucking boomer. yeah the game is woke now but let that one go

That would actually be fun. You're missing the point, anon.

The point of this mechanic was not to be fun. It was to push the idea of white genocide.

on purpose.

As long as white men doesnt enjoy the game, the product is considered a success. Double success if taking away the IP from them.

have you not heard about ck3 and vic3? kek

Those remind me of those smaller devs who include quotes from reddit or forums on their sales page.

civmaster420 says "awesome"

Think the concept of switching Civilizations and how eras works sounds unfun

I had a bit of hope that they would split each civ in three eras so we'd go

ancient X -> exploration X -> modern X

Rather than

ancient X -> exploration Y -> modern Z

But unfortunately it doesn't seem to be the case.

it's easy to see why it flopped

WE WUZ MONGOLZ N SHIT

IMAGINE BEING FIRAXIS
AND PAYING THE DENUVO TAX ONLY FOR IT TO GET BARELY 6K PLAYERS

While being half of Civ V's playercount is already hilarious, I'm hoping that it falls even below Civ 4
That would be fucking funny

Let me play as Ancient Age America in a Pangea map and there will be an end to the bleeding player count.

Uluru genuinely is a better name
Ayers Rock sounds like some shitty 3 horse town tourist attraction that smells of piss

No can do anon, we need to make sure map generation is balanced as our first and only priority

Unironically, how do you spin this as a positive

Unironically, how do you spin this as a positive

That's easy: "The game suffered a hate and misinformation campaign, accompanied by a boycott by right-wing groups. This impacted its sales." Do you think this is their first rodeo?

Firaxis's strategy of just copying everything Amplitude does had to lead to disaster eventually. Hopefully they'll survive and make their own game for Civ 8

She would be hot if she wasn't so fat.

Civ 6 is good in spite of its woke shit. They brownfaced a few white leaders, made a bunch of literal who women as leaders but it rarely went further than that. Civ 7 somehow added wokeness into the gameplay itself with the civ switching mechanic that nobody likes, on top of making people who were never anything even resembling national leaders into leaders (Tubman).

There was a Civlike called Ara by microsoft, almost half the leaders are a woman.

Argentina- Eva Peron

Byzantines- Empress Irene

Cherokee- Wilma Mankiller, 20th century activist

China - Wu Zetian

Crow Nation- Osh-Tisch (not even a real person, just a vague thing of their culture they can go OMG NON-BYNARY!!)

England- Elisabeth I

Egypt - Nefertiti

France- Jeanne D'arc

Georgia - Tamar

Ghana- Yaa Asantewaa

Greece- SAPPHO, of all people

United States - Harriet Tubman before Civ 7 did

DLC:

Korea - Yu Gwan-sun, some independence activist

Germany - Hildegard von Bingen

Civ youtubers are some of the most obvious paid shills (that don't disclose they are #advertising) on the entire platform. They make so many videos glazing this shit game nobody is playing instead of making more Civ 6 or Civ 5 videos.

Byzantines- Empress Irene

They couldn't have picked a ruler who didn't commit one of the most grievous sins against nature in torturing her own child to death?

I've seen some bootlicking retards say the PC numbers are only bad because it's now on console, as if anyone would play it on console. Just ignore this slop's rating and DOA player base numbers.

apparently there ARE a lot of people who bought it on console
however curiously they stopped reporting any and all player numbers on console

Civ 2 at least had fun with it's female leaders (since almost every civ had both male and female option). Persia's female option was Scheherazade from One Thousand and One Nights and Zulu just had genderswapped Shaka named Shakala.
That being said in Civ 2 the leader was nothing but flavor, and only the selected nation had any gameplay relevance.

"civ games are always bad on launch, everyone's waiting for the expansion"

Even the most degenerate evil woman is better than the kindest and compassionate man, chuddie

Joan of Arc is a qt thoughbeit

The problem is that these people want you to pretend there are secretly millions of players active in console.

I think these huge studios just don’t know how to manage these popular legacy franchises they own.

The people who made Civ good all left years ago.
The lead designer of Civ4 and many others all worked on OldWorld which imo is better than Modern Civ

As for me, I started with Civ 3, I loved Civ 4, and grew to love Civ 5. Civ 6 never really sat well with me but I eventually liked it enough to appreciate it to a degree.
Civ 7 just seems to have moved further in the direction of being bloated but shallow and unfun.

apparently there ARE a lot of people who bought it on console

Really bro? You still fall for this shit? Do you also parrot the "48% of gamers are women" meme?

bought anon, not played, bought
Civ 7 had pretty decent initial sales before people realized what a shitshow it was, it's still a Civ game, the series has been nothing but good entry after good entry for decades so yes it sold pretty well on initial name recognition alone and the novelty of a functional version for consoles drew in a fairly large amount of people

However all those people quickly figured out how ass it is and stopped playing, which is why they still tout day 1 sales and not player numbers

tfw your quota instructions read "half women, no more than 20% white men"

which is the best civ game to play right now?

There's nothing wrong with having female leaders, it's more important that they be actual fucking leaders with a good resume. Ada Lovelace and Harriet Tubman just ain't it. Elizabeth, Catherine the Great, Joan of Arc, even Cleopatra yeah sure why not.
as an aside, Wu Zetian being the china pick in so many games is annoying. Millennia of history and they pick someone fairly insignificant because she's a woman. Sad.

Civ 5 with Vox Populi as always.

4

4 for mainline
Alpha Centauri for spinoffs
OldWorld for third party

Like always. Theres one hundred reason the game is shit and you give them ammo to use against you. Thats what i would say to a person who actually enjoys games. After reading the ban reason though i realize that this is exactly what you wanted to be able to continue your ever expanding retardation of culture wars. Take your tranny brothers on the other side of the spectrum and neck yourselves. Do you fucking realize the amount of damage you and your mouthbreathing friends have done to this industry? People have actual fucking arguments they use to try and fight back against the lazyness of the devs and here comes retarded mcrightoid embarrassing all of us. Fuck off already

Does this game still not have Steam Workshop support? That thing that absolutely carries Civ 6 and that they relegated to third party modding fansites in Civ 7? Unironically what were they thinking?

Civilization VII was the FIRST Civ to have the Han Dynasty China, the Han is like the "Rome" of China, that ancient peak of culture and development.
They could have picked the Peasant-turned-Emperor Liu Bang, the great conqueror Han Wudi or Liu Bei for 3Kangdoms rep
And who do they pick as the Chinese leader, FUCKING CONFUCIUS.

nta but calm down you mouthbreathing tranny

4 is the best. 5 is decent as a multiplayer game, but it's AI can't handle warfare at all which makes it a bad single player game.

add han dynasty

can't play as anyone from han dynasty

Decoupling leaders from civs is a fucking disaster.

it's part of why VP is almost necessary for 5: it's AI actually can handle warfare
on most civs I've actually had to struggle a fair bit when it came to military
Well except for the mongols, AI can't handle double-attacking skirmishers

I can't calm down when you roaches are infesting every community and shit in it with your retarded opinions. Fuck trannies and fuck poltards

you give them ammo to use against you.

from the people claiming "death threats" at every criticism

I'm sure they really need that dude post for "ammo". It's not like they can fabricate that at will after all.

Wu Zetian

What would be a suitable alternative?
Empress Dowager Cixi?

Good. You don't deserve a good leader when all of europe got fucked over.

infesting every community and shit in it with your retarded opinions. Fuck trannies and fuck poltards

are poltards making games?

Woooh really a return to form.

Why do they need a female leader for China when they were uber patriarchal like Rome was and any woman who was even close to power was denigrated ruthlessly.

Just don't have a woman leader for one of the most patriarchal societies to ever exist in human history.

He is right, however. Game is shit, there are numerous reasons why but people like you can only talk about "muh woman" or "muh blacks". All those sorry excuse for developers need to do now is to point at you and say "see? These are the people who don't like our games!" and continue to ruin industry.

BUT...BUT THE QUOTA!

don't forget grinding for leader perks

leftypoltards are still poltards.

The dumbest part is that they have this memento system that lets you add customizable bonuses to civs
So the actual solution already existed: instead of a dumbass metaprogression system with irrelevant mementos

INSTEAD

Just give each civ 2 slots for advisors that give certain bonuses and then make people like Ada Lovelace or Harriet Tubman or Machiavelli or Confucius ADVISORS

Then have those advisors be the thing that changes on era switch maybe

No it’s important to make these points clear and not try to pretend they don’t exist in order to curry favour.

Then have those advisors be the thing that changes on era switch

That excuse still gets them fired at the end of the day now that they don't have government subsidies laying all over the place.

Best part about this whole "you hate women" thing is that literally nobody complained about Catherine the Great, or Queen Elizabeth or Isabella of Spain because those were genuinely examples of suitable female leaders

You ONLY talk about this points and they are not even that fucking important but you act as if they are the only things that matter. For fuck sake, when whole game is garbage with missing or barely functioning mechanics, some walking meme character as a leader is meaningless. Using ever sexy food analogy, it's like ignoring pile on shit on your pizza because it have pineapple and you absolutely MUST tell everyone that you don't like pineapples.

This is stupid as well
It implies there is a continuation where there often isn’t.

Why not just have leaders change for the same civ, like England can begin with Boudicca, and progress onto William the Conqueror to Elizabeth and eventually Victoria and Tony Blair

It's funny because now they're creating the illusion that somehow we've always been very feminist and tolerant when that is obviously not true.

God, I love Civ2.

What they should have done:

Fewer but more detailed civs.

More leaders per civ.

Age system could have been okay, if made to represent the evolution of a civ.

Start with the nations and leaders people care about and work from there.

Instead they went for making random civs nobody cares about, random leaders that seem more like a checkbox procedure than any leader that anyone actually wants to play.

It feels like the entire Leader =/= Civ thing is some sort of attempt to make a "Hero" system, and fucking nobody wants that.
Making leaders so generic as to be boiled down to +5% to something -10% to something else just incentivizes them being DLC down the line.

if you are in this industry and you hire women or blacks you deserve to lose all your money and go broke.

No this is more important than gameplay issues because it’s ideological and harder to break than some bugs or mistakes with design concepts.

Yeah it's true, they're probably contractually obligated to make a certain number of Civ7 vids

England can begin with Boudicca

Yeh no fuck that, Boudicca is an abject failure
Just start with Alfred the Great

YWNBAW

This is the kind of thinking i always staple as a redflag of a person who is just trying to stir shit. If you really played games you would be sad and ask for your rights to improve something not rejoice at the fact that less and less things are being made. Don't you have a twitter thread u need to bump for your righteous faction?

meant it more as in, each new era you select 2 era-appropriate advisors, but seeing the Civ 2 advisors is always fun anyways

and fucking nobody wants that.

Nobody wants it, but it could've made them lots of money, so they had to implement it.
Age system/civ switching = more civs per game = more civs to sell as DLC.
Leaders decoupled from civs = leaders sold separately for extra money, or marketed as a "bundle" at a higher price rather than being taken for granted that a new civ includes a new leader.
Random civs nobody cares about on release = saving the most-wanted civs for DLC later. England was cut from the game to get resold in this fashion. These are greed levels previously only seen in the likes of gacha games.

If players had gobbled the game up as expected they could've gotten away with it too, but alas, it's performing worse than Beyond Earth

SOUL

Why do Devs feel they have the ability to aggressively monetise when people already aren't happy with their products? That is not a move mediocre Devs with bad track records can pull, maybe after civ 5 but half their audience didn't like 6.

And you will never belong here

#CelebrateFemaleBrilliance.

Why do Devs feel they have the ability to aggressively monetise when people already aren't happy with their products

Devs usually don't want to do this, in part because they don't actually get a share of the monetization cut, you look at independent devs and you'll see a lot less semitic practices among them
It's publishers that push for monetization

there is a local company with a whole page of awards about how they are the best place to work for. They however are probably the only company in the whole country who looks for programmers of all levels and look for them aggressively. Their job offers stay up for months, sometimes years...... now the question is HOW THE HELL THEY AHVE SO BAD IMAGE THAT NOONE EVEN FUCKING TAKES THE BAIT???? I did interview for them once and the interviewer was an asshole but it was not until later when people started telling tales about how fucking horrible they are that i knew i dodged a bullet.
Those certificates are starting to have the opposite effect on companies in the public eye : the more "best company to work for" certificates are displayed on the main website, the easier it is to explain why noone wants to work for them.

They actually did it to quash any kind of nationalism their players might have. Well, that's why humankind did it and civ just blatantly ripped them off so it's the same.

To be entirely fair towards Boudica, Romans pulled stuff like this against the Gauls and Germans as well
But yes, starting a revolt that ends in one of the most decisive losses in history should disqualify you for leadership in a Civ game

anon, all this ideology stuff is just a distraction, it's a cover-up for monetization practices
you really think all those major corporations genuinely believe in LGBT stuff when they organize rainbow parades? fuck no, they just want to sell you their rainbow colored t-shirts

Fuck you and fuck your culture war bullshit. I'm here to play video games, not shit my pants because I saw some nigger.

there is space ship under that

I do not believe that a game with many female devs and black devs can be successful at all. 2-3 females per say 50 males is ok. 1-2 blacks per 50 whites is ok.

'Twas good enough to get her a level in Rise of Nations.

There's two purposes for all this garbage. One is to sell people more garbage and the other is to divide and distract the workers and consumers. It's why all that ramped up out of nowhere when Occupy Wall Street was going on.

always have been

Putting everything else aside, how the fuck do you see the mound of hundreds if not thousands of corpses of your fallen comrades in front of you and still decide to walk into that veritable meatgrinder? Like, this isn't rome 2 where you frontal charge against a phalanx and just instantly fall over dead when you touch a spear the barbarians are slowly approaching individual romans to 1v1 them at a certain point and stepping over a carpet of the dead to get owned before everyone finally starts getting run down by horsemen.

Caping for neo-marxists destroying gaming and you have the nerve to say that shit? I've been here for two decades and civ on DOS was my first home vidya you fucking subhuman redditnigger.

it's turn base retard faggot

the way you should do anything Boudica related in a game is as a super high level challenge option, that results in an alt-history scenario
you play as her during the campaign of a game, and it's basically what looks like a scripted loss scenario, except if you're genuinely good at the game you can in theory win it
And then it's followed by increasingly difficult missions and battles with the end result being an independent Britain alt-ending and an achievement like 0.5% of the players have

2 or smac

Reminds me of some scandinavian queen who was chosen. She literally betrayed her country and fled to spain or because she was catholic or some shit. Why the fuck would they pick someone like that?

Game is mostly played by the kind of people who actually give a shit about historical accuracy

Piss those people off

I think people were just more indifferent about living back then.

the reason there were so many casualties is because they had intentionally blocked their escape and intentionally put their families on the wagons blocking their escape
so not only couldn't they run, but even if they did run, their families would get killed by the Romans anyways
It's a very effective strategy if you're going into a battle where there's a 50/50 shot of you winning and you want to make sure your army's morale is effectively unbreakable turning that into a 75%+ chance of victory instead

It however horrendously backfires if you're going into a battle where you had at best 1% chance of victory

Christina was Gustav Adolf's only child (the champion of protestantism). She favoured the arts, invited Descartes to Sweden (to die of cold), converted to Catholicism, abdicated and fled to Italy. Massive betrayal of her father's cause.

eh I doubt the numbers
most were killed in rout and slaughtered when running away and surrendering
that was usually normal thing in ancient battles

Humankind

what kind of autism is this

Sitting back and letting them do as they please has lead to the direct destruction of the entire western gaming industry. Please shut the fuck up. We tried your way for 20 years. It doesn't work.

3 and a half years before release was too late to course correct?

These games simply aren't made by passionate history nerds any more. They're made by activists trying to browbeat the audience into embracing their worldview.

Or how the moniker of Portugal's leader in 5 was "Maria the Mad"

I used to think this but I've seen it on the inside, a lot of the impulse to shoehorn monetisation hooks actually comes from the Devs themselves, not low level employees but senior leadership. Whether it's because they want financial stability for the studio or they think that's what a funder like tencent or sony wants to see.

Older Devs barely even play games anymore and they understand that their job is implicitly to make the company money. I think it's very easy for Devs themselves to misunderstand what the point of their job is. You see this same phenomena in companies who have infinite money like valve.

invited Descartes to Sweden

let that one go

no, I will not give an inch thank you

Humankind is a game that also flopped horribly because they thought civ-switching was a good idea.

nigga, i played civ 6 knowing full well that no woman in history has done anything of value and that the 50% female leaders are diversity hires. The problems with civ 7 are not even just because of pissing on history. A lot of people could stomach playing a black queen that has bonus with relics, because she is OP and makes interesting games. I am not even sure if Nzinga Mbande exists or is fiction like all female leaders, but damn that bitch is OP.

The problems with civ 7 are that not only do you have to play the black queen but also the game sucks .

Certainly helped that people were genuine believers of whatever faith they were following and were sure of the afterlife. Probably.

then again you do see independent devs that flat out refuse to monetize their game in any way
big example of this was Larian (mostly taking this as example since it's a genuinely large game by an independent dev)
Part of the fallout out with WotC was their abject refusal to monetize the game

most were killed in rout and slaughtered when running away and surrendering

I'm aware of that but you don't get up to 80k vs 400 casualties just in the rout. There couldn't be enough light infantry and horsemen to accomplish that unless they actually just couldn't retreat against legionary advance. There had to be a couple thousand killed or wounded in the actual fighting and bar bars kept coming.

I think even normalfags figured out the grift with how obvious they made it.

we will give you the great African Ubinagulu Civilization in the base game

now pay $20 to unlock England is paid DLC

They made it so obvious that literal who Civs got added in the base game just so actual relevant Civs get sold as paid DLC

People are climbing out of trenches and walking into machine gun fire right now. Today. 2025.

If you try to run, your own "comrades" will kill you. Most soldiers cling to delusion and hope right up until they are stuck like a rat in a trap, and then they die ignobly.

see
They intentionally blocked their own escape, when they tried to rout they ran into their families on top of wagons so even infantry could catch up to them and slaughter them

People are climbing out of trenches and walking into machine gun fire right now.

They're climbing out of trenches into minefields and pre-sighted artillery zones, there's a difference in visibility.

naah, most ancient battles had the losing army break formation and run for it, since back then running was a whole lot more effective since there weren't guns to shoot you in the back and you could reasonably ditch your armor and disappear into the woods or local population if need be

people around the office in cheap halloween costumes

SOUL

Which is why Spartan wives told their husbands leaving for war to come back with their shield, or on it.

what if we make for the modern audience that loves switching their nationality every 5 minutes

Larian understands that their job is to make good games and that money is a byproduct of making appealing media, it is a virtuous cycle where the less you monetise the more value your product has and so the more games you can sell at a higher price, I don't like nintendo but they are the most extreme example of this method working.

Strategy and 4x games got it in their head that their path to making money was milking the shit out of an increasingly small audience of dads. Their games have no inherent value and drop to almost 1 dollar as they desperately try to hook people into their dlc spam machine. I understand pulling a cynical move like that at your height of popularity but not after the endless flops firaxis has been releasing

Tbh, they should just throw in some fantasy figures in there just to make it more interesting.

Just make people up and if anyone asks cite some random book written in a language only like 6,000 people in a tribe somewhere speak.

Agreed.

So I will edit the Wikipedia article to be more historically accurate. How should I rewrite this?

civ switching

what the literal fuck is the fucking point of ruining the point of the game

Selling new civs as DLC, simple as.

and which is why Spartans initially had a couple decades of success, then quickly slipped into irrelevancy when they ran out of Spartans to fill up their armies since they didn't understand the concept of tactical retreat

Niggers -> still niggers -> Niggers -> KANGZ

They started another giant dlc game right after they finished the last. Pay 30 bucks for complete VI, go back to V or earlier, or pay out the ass for VII over the course of years until it eventually catches up with the older games? Surprise nobody is picking the third option.

since back then running was a whole lot more effective since there weren't guns to shoot you in the back and you could reasonably ditch your armor and disappear into the woods or local population if need be

Staying disciplined is superior to headlong flight for infantry (excluding important officers who are always high priority), the pursuers turn into simple predators and they'll select the easiest looking prey over those who might still have some fight left as they secure an escape.

"Furthermore, men, it was worthwhile to behold Socrates when the army retreated in flight from Delium; for I happened to be there on horseback and he was a hoplite. The soldiers were then in rout, and while he and Laches were retreating together, I came upon them by chance. And as soon as I saw them, I at once urged the two of them to take heart, and I said I would not leave them behind. I had an even finer opportunity to observe Socrates there than I had had at Potidaea, for I was less in fear because I was on horseback. First of all, how much more sensible he was than Laches; and secondly, it was my opinion, Aristophanes (and this point is yours); that walking there just as he does here in Athens, 'stalking like a pelican, his eyes darting from side to side,' quietly on the lookout for friends and foes, he made it plain to everyone even at a great distance that if one touches this real man, he will defend himself vigorously. Consequently, he went away safely, both he and his comrade; for when you behave in war as he did, then they just about do not even touch you; instead they pursue those who turn in headlong flight"

I'm still salty about what they did to england and france in 6. Really? The exact same person for both? I don't know if it was laziness or ideology but that left a really bad taste in my mouth. She was so fucking boring too.

Nah, they were just too anal about citizenship. Even Athenians were assholes about that but Spartans had a caste system on top of it.

that does not have anything to do with forcing civ switching

read What a well deserved flop, everything of this game was designed to be monetized out of the wazoo.

But my 300...

then quickly slipped into irrelevancy when they ran out of Spartans to fill up their armies since they didn't understand the concept of tactical retreat

They ran out of spartiates because there's a financial component to citizenship except the early iron age warrior had to buy his own equipment which was expensive as fuck. If a spartan ditches his armor so he can run off then he's lost half of his house's wealth and will subsequently lose citizenship

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No, but that's not the reason why the other 99.5% of those complaining are doing so.

black mongolian calvary in trailer

It was joever

oh sure in theory a disciplined retreat is far superior to a disorganized rout, and if people were 100% rational creatures they would choose to do so every time
But people aren't rational, especially not when they're exhausted and in mortal danger and the vast vast majority of ancient era soldiers were in fact not disciplined soldiers, they were peasants pulling their grandfather's spear and helmet out of a closet and showing up for a couple days of training before being sent off into battle

And even in extremely disciplined armies by the era's standards, such as the Romans, there still were situations in which even they just broke and ran if the situation was FUBAR enough, Cannae being one such example

Battle starts going poorly.

Do a 180 and slowly walk away.

Everyone just lets you.

Honestly, fair.

The word is cavalry.

Now we need a mongolian charging alongside Zulu warriors to be even.

combination of the 2, restrictive caste system and then also having a culture that values death over dishonor and you run out of fighting men real fast
add on top of this that women inherited equal and inherited their husband's properties, so the best way for a Spartan woman to get obscenely rich was to marry a young spartan, and hope he gets killed so you take all his property, then repeat this 3 or 4 times
And this is literally what happened, nearly all Spartan farmland by the end was owned by a select group of ultra-wealthy women

That wasn't exactly true in Sparta, due to the massive slave population most soldiers had enough wealth to bounce back from repeated routs if need be, it's just that the entire culture of Sparta was against this

25 years and the wikipedos are still saturating articles with weasel words. Some things never change.

WE WUZ KHAN

Laugh at this retard. He saw all the obvious signs of a shit game in modern times and still got hyped so he's forced to defend the company that made the game shit.

Alpha Centauri
I honestly really recommend it if you have played other Civ games like 4 or 5. It's different enough that it feels like something new but you still get that Civ experience. Very memorable characters too

They put Dido in one of the earlier ones

who the fuck is tubman

Civ 5 but only fictional characters

not even potatomcshillin is playing this garbage

lmao, lmao, lmao.

How did they fuck up a formula that worked for 30 years? This and silksong were the only games I was looking forward to, the day the leaks started happening and they confirmed the switching civ shit I was so disappointed I almost cried

Notorious people smuggler.

what the fuck are you talking about, england has like 5 leaders, are you talking about Elanor? She is the best version of France you can play in that game

That wasn't exactly true in Sparta, due to the massive slave population

Working land that they didn't own but a narrowing pool of old women did.
Hypomeiones were at least common enough as a people that they had a defined name and the easiest way to fall out of citizenship is to stop paying your dues. The consistent warring obviously was a bigger contributor but simple economics still factors in when you combine with the fact that their constitution didn't actually have provisions for raising a lower class civilian up to full citizenship iirc.

We had a good thing, you stupid son of a bitch! We had Stone Age America in a Pangea map, We had everything we needed, and it all ran like clockwork. You could've shut your mouth, made Civ 5.2 and made as much money as you ever needed. It was perfect. But, no, you just had to blow it up. You and your pride and your civ-switching! You just had to be Humankind 2. If you'd done your job, known your place, you'd all be fine right now.

calvary

retarded esl

Can civ-switching be saved or is it just a shit concept?

to be honest she was a fuckable mid looking Canaan whore. it was a good addition. Just look at those ancient khazar milkers!!!!

in effect, Sparta was a dysfunctional society in a wide variety of ways
It functioned fine for a limited period which allowed them to (with massive Persian support but the Spartans would prefer you do not bring that up) win a war with Athens

But then the inefficiency of their system quickly reared it's ugly head, they lost 1 war and then never recovered from it
In large part due to their economic system being ratchet based

It just does not work. On contrary Old World successfully pulled off ruler switching (since they die of old age and can change due to in-game events).

If you went to do whatever it is that you do for fun, and some group marched in, took over your space, and started telling you that you were evil for your preferences and that you were going to pay them to participate in their ugly (your call to make, not theirs), preachy, inferior (your call, not theirs) version of your hobby, how would you respond? You'd give them the finger, right? If they doubled down on calling you evil for liking your space as it was, then gaslit you on taking over your space and acted like you're being mean for no reason, then made an appeal to authority, would that change your mind and make you give them money?

The "I" in DEI needs to fuck off just as much as the D and the E. And "belonging" can fuck off right along with it. Men should be allowed to have fun without checking in with Karen to make sure that she approves. And if a company is going to side with Karen, they deserve to be mocked mercilessly as they go under.

Only if you make it not really civ switching anymore. Like gauls -> franks -> french or something

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Holy retards. The reason they can not give a shit about making a proper game is because they're sitting on their pile of guaranteed money. The complaint of them not working on the game and also including culture war shit is part of the problem. You're stupid enough to think that both aren't correlated and that devs are going to make incredible games while pandering to woke garbage. The studio itself has to compromise by having to get diversity hires, which means they aren't even hiring the best people that show up. They're hiring sensitive faggots that are going to get emotional and will ignore your complaints or ban you, and when they get pressured to fix something it'll come out bad in some other way

Like gauls -> franks -> french

MEN -> femboys -> gay.

It would only really work if it they made it make like SOME sense

Gaul -> Frankish Kingdom -> Francia -> France

Something like that for their civs

you can do it, if you have an expanding tree-structure that makes sense
Something akin to Germanics, into choice of HRE and Scandinavia, into choice of Prussia or Austria for HRE and Sweden or Denmark for Scandinavia

People wouldn't mind that too much

Which sucks because there were some solid concepts at play which are ignored for being attached to something that later became a circus act by the time rome rolled around. Agoge is a fine idea with some additional refinement you just need to remove the economic requirements of citizenship, allow class mobility, and incentivize having a decent amount of children by having a functional middle class. Slavery just always fucks up whatever it touches by stratifying everyone into upper or lower and slowly eliminating the actually important middle.

Mandom -> femboydom -> gay land -> California.

Franks are literally named after the axes they chucked into their unfortunate foes

femboys

It's not accurate to classify fr*nch as human

In terms of making a militarized society in that era and region, effectively, Macedonia did everything right where Sparta went wrong
The massive difference between the 2 being the level and ease of social mobility

No letting bad developers hide behind the culture war because retards think the biggest problem with C7 is that it has ugly niggers in it has allowed the conversation to be about OMFG THOSE RAACISTS WON'T BUY THE GAME because it has black people.
Your method has directly resulted in that being the focus of the conversation and why we see so many ugly black MC's.
Watch a modern Levis commercial and it is "woke" but it is woke with a hot black girl's ass being the framing device because no actually wants an ugly person but if it's what gets people talk.....

lol, lmao

Yeah, I don't give a shit because I played it once and dropped it. Enjoy your shitty 4x. How's that genre working out for you? 3-4-5 are the only civs.

Alba Longa -> Rome -> Roman Empire -> Kingdom of Italy/Kingdom of Lombardy -> Italy

Happy?

Italians are not gay. I am happy.

t. zoomer

Civ6 was great and got mountains of it's woke garbage because Theodora isn't as hot as in 5.
Or because it included climate change.
Just like everything to do with culture war none of it has any actual concrete meaning and is just endlessly shit flinging from people who'd rather argue then talk about the hobby they are currently shitting up.

Zoomers played civ 3 in 2001

How stupid can one man be? Early civs are trash. Enjoy your DOS game, you fag.

I khan't breath

Early civs are trash

Civilization 2 had climate change in 1996.

The climate change was bullshit, though. How come we have all this evidence of the sea rising in antiquity yet nothing for the past 100 years? In civ, it's nothing in antiquity and you're losing a coast tile every 10 years because you burn some coal. It's ridiculously heavy-handed propaganda that doesn't match with what is easily observed yourself.

Did it? I only remember the Armageddon stuff if everyone used too many nukes

I wrote a lot of anti-semetic and anti women/black shit in this thread, so I am not a woketard, but...... climate does change. I am sorry but, there are some climate changes, whether caused by man is another question and yes, taxing you will not solve it. But... climate change is real.

Hurr, let's make quirky chungus gandhi because we don't know how to code properly

Pathetic and cringe.

Black mongols

From Civ 2 manual.

a single coding fuck up caused a meme thats lasted 30+ years

Until this pile of shit VII.
Also fuck you, you talk like a fag and your shits all retarded.

Nice, thanks.

don't trust numbers blindly
i would not be surprised if these 80k was 18k or 8k
desu the battle may not even happened

Yeah, that sounds exactly the same as losing random tiles every 5 turns in the modern era because you used fossil fuels. Give me a break.

firm deliberately hires retards to add retardedness to their product so that it may be used as a PR shield when the retards' retarded work produces a retarded product full of retardedness which consumers hate

????

profit

Your brain is a genuine mystery.

Everyone is just sick of "climate change is real!" as shorthand for elites to fuck us all over amd enrich themselves at our expense
What's more real than climate change is the utter inability for non-whites to give even the smallest shit about pollution when left to their own devices

We're retarded, let's lean into that and make ourselves a meme

No wonder you love them so much, you're exactly the same.

America is a devolution of England, not an evolution.

Watch that guy shooting up the Christchruch Mosque
People just laid down and let themselves be shot in the head
Now imagine a bunch of Roman soldiers doing that and not needing to leave because the cops were coming

Hariett tubman is such a literal who that not even americans know about her. Legitimately you only hear about her in kindergarten once and then never again even in history class. Its such a pathetic attempt to cultivate some kind of left wing audience that I can only assume that the devs knew the game was absolutely DOA and desperately needed left wing culture warriors to buy in.

The whole game in general reeks of desperation for cash: its buggy, its monetization is extremely jewish, it has some of the most bizarre inclusions and changes ever. The entire game is just a mess

If people really cared about the environment, they'd nuke china. 8 of the top 10 most polluted rivers in the world originate or pass through china at some point.

climate change is real!

but ignore entirely the natural climate change with the warm and cold periods

Lmao I remember playing Civ2 so bad that deep into a game, all my advisors abandoned me.
Which is strange because if I were performing so bad, how come I never lost? Checkmate

I agree, I just kinda... think that in a civ game climate change is not a hot topic. Until 5/6 most of decisions in the games were well though and not ideologically driven. You could even play Stalin at one point and they considered the big bad moustache man from ww2 too, but german government was annoyed, so they changed it. In civ 5 one could argue that a few of the female leaders are a meme inclusion and in civ 6 the game no longer makes coherent historic sense. Noone expected that in civ 7 they would go even further beyond in their retardation.

I know her as a hilariously ugly woman first, then the Underground Railroad guy second

The earth has spent the majority of it's existence with no polar ice caps whatsoever.

I want to know what the fuck was happening behind the scenes. The game is a mess at every level so I can only guess the publishers forced it out the door and they tried to culturewar bait to get any kind of attention on the game

4000BC - 0AD

zero climate change

1800~2000 - 2050

OY VEY YOUR GRASS AND PLAIN TILES INSTANTLY TURNED INTO DESERTS THAT'S YOUR FAULT GOY NOT OUR WEATHER MODIFICATION CONTRAPTIONS

But it made up for that by spending millions of years covered in glaciers and ice sheets.

Probably something like DO NOT WORRY MY DEAR I MAKE GOOD GAME MAXIMUM RRRETURRNS

Why rush it, though? Was midnight suns that bad for them?

did they had factories and cars and planes and shit? I do not want to pay taxes for it, but..... there is some logic behind some human activites like throwing trash in Indian rivers to have some ecological effects.

midnight suns

that game was a flop amongst flops like concord. They put all their eggs into that basket and it sold like ass

Crazy how shit these maps look, like did they do any playtesting at all?? Civ 6 at launch had wildly prettier and more diverse maps

Can we meme Beyond the Sword up the charts? People probably own it from bundles over the years even if they're youngfags.

I wrote a lot of anti-semetic

Based

and anti women

Based

black shit in this thread

Cringe

I refunded civ 6 because I was so disgusted at the changes (mainly the tone and artstyle shift) so im honestly not surprised 7 is worse
If I ever go back it'll just be playing 5 with meme civs like hitler/stalin/best korea vs twilight sparkle or some shit

No Parthian Empire

No Kushan Empire

No actual interesting historical references just SJW subversions

I miss the golden age of vidya of AoE2, Civilization was good then too, kids could actually learn real stuff instead of being pushed disgraced scammers like Margaret Mead as a "great person".

*gets hired by capcom/larian/cdproject*

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also its just society in general. by its very nature a society must be capable of violence if not to protect itself from other societies then simply to protect itself from crime and nature. any society who's citizens aren't capable of intermittent violence is doomed to failure just the same as one who's citizens aren't capable of primary and secondary economic activity, having a youth program dedicated to training up both is just common sense

At least SMAC is based. Climate change? Yeah, I leveraged my position as Planetary Governor to deliberately melt the polar ice caps with orbital mirrors, raising sea levels and submerging more than half of my primary opponent's continent, killing millions.

Lmao that can't be real. Imagine your game not getting mogged in playercount by one but TWO of its previous entries, I would never be able to cope with it

amplitude realizes the civ games keep stealing shit from them

release humankind: a dogshit civ clone

civ 7 copies the worst parts of it

release endless legend 2 after the civ series ropes itself

they are playing 4D chess

That turned the tiles "polluted" and you could order a worker to "clean it up janny". But pollution isn't new, 1/3 of people died from many different plagues. I just wonder if Indians are truly Nurgle people, I didn't learn of plagues there yet, just China and Europe.

5 is descent as a multiplayer game

Doesn't 5 have the same shitty netcode as 6 where turns get horribly desynced and the game becomes unplayable online as time goes on?

It's buggy as shit, but when it does work it's fun.

you can do the same in 6 though, it's pretty hilarious doing it as the dutch to not just drown your opponents but also create more space for polders and have all your cities protected with your super cheap flood defenses

Please don't call my game woke.

Hurts sales doesn't it?

Worked on my and my friend's machines (most of the time).

Y'allkind

Reminder that the word used to be "mankin" and there was another expression called "wyfkin", meaning Mankind versus Wifekind. Women are excluded from mankind because they are in their own wifekind world. This "humankind" word is obviously a further attempt at destroying wifekind to force women into mankind which will destroy it as well in the end. So imagine my shooock when a game that bears such an ill intended name ends up being unpleasant. Bad intentions are just unpleasant and unsightly.

literally just build a the fucking flood barriers you shitter

It just wasn't very fun. They could've just done xcom with superheroes and people would've loved it. Instead we got a friendship simulator with occasional battles. The battles weren't even that bad but the tedium of everything else was too much.

Its more like there are so many people in India that deaths from this and that just aren't newsworthy

I'm now reminded of when Justin Trudeau tried to make "Peoplekind" a thing. The move against so-called "gendered" words has been ridiculous

CONFUCIUS SAYS

CHINGCHINGCHONGSHUSHUSHUEYBINGBONG

there was another expression called "wyfkin", meaning Mankind versus Wifekind.

'Mankind' always included women as well. 'Man' used to refer to men, women, and children until the year 1000 AD, before that an adult male was known as a 'weremann', which eventually just became 'man', and an adult female was known as 'wifmann' which eventually became 'woman'.

People hate it cause it's a grift, if the elites actually cared about climate change they would have genocided chinks and jeets before they got their industrial revolutions. And they would currently be killing as many niggers as possible before Africa gets their industrial revolution not feeding them and curing their nigger diseases

They could just destroy the -kind word and use humanity.

They've been blindly copying Amplitude for years, why stop now

just build a the fucking

Do it you bloody bastard bitch!

Of course an actual (street)shitter would enjoy the goyslop of 6.

I would say Indians are extremely unhealthy. Like they are not so bad in terms of life expectancy and such but these things take their toll in other ways.
They got caught cheating during the last Olympics and they still didn't take home a single gold medal despite having 1/6th of the world's population.
It's not only that, but the average IQ in India is in the mid 70's, and, coming back to the Olympics, my 20 million population country has more chess grand-masters than them, and they are trying really hard to be good at chess.
Besides that, the contamination takes its toll. As an example, we don't know how bad their most polluted cities are because researchers can't find people with healthy lungs living in them so there's no control population.
Also, diseases such as leprosy and scurvy which are pretty much extinct in the developed world still trouble India.

Your post is nonsensical not only because you're an evil person who supports genocide, but because you wouldn't slow down climate change.

if the elites actually cared about climate change they would have genocided chinks and jeets before they got their industrial revolutions

And how would you do that?

And they would currently be killing as many niggers as possible before Africa gets their industrial revolution not feeding them and curing their nigger diseases

And you think all those untaped resources will just stay in the ground and wouldn't be used up by industry to produce more fossil fuels?

I learned that ancient Chinese were calling Macedonians "Alexander dynasty" because to them a people was always a conquering dynasty, not magic soil immigration/open borders interchangeable people hell hole like we have.

How the hell do you have scurvy in a vegetarian country like India?

critic score

During his last video Legend of Total War said he refused a 12k sponsorship about Civ 7
They must be desperate to offer a Total War youtuber that kind of money for a single video

Yeah and we love being told by people who fly around the world by private jet between their private islands and private yachts that we have to give up our cars and take the bus and eat ze bugs while they tuck into wagyu steak.

Malnutrition. Scurvy is caused by Vitamin C deficiency.

lefties cry about overpopulation

lefties also cry that drug prices going up for africans is literally genocide

They're blatantly obvious.

Critics: love niggers
Users: don't love niggers
Most modern game scores can be explained by this simple dynamic.

People had malnutrition way into the 20th century even in developed countries because they simply ate whatever they felt like.
You need the right nutrients.

No, because the first Greek civilisation that ancient China established contact with was the Macedonian empire ruled by Alexander.

Civ 5 has doubled the current viewers on twitch right now. Civ 6 also has almost double.

Nobody is playing 7. Nobody is watching 7. Hardly anybody is uploading 7 content. The Civ 7 Reddit forum is dead.

At most there is a few hundred concurrent players on console but the twitch views don’t lie

The core player base is on PC and has always been. 6 is released on console and still consistently pulling between 4-7x the players of 7 on PC.

The 7 player count still hasn’t stabilized either. It could stabilize in the 2-4k range. That’s a complete disaster

It was simultaneously the worst designed CIV they ever made and had a bunch of stupid woke shit that people were already making fun of them for.
They should have gone for one or the other instead of shitting out a poorly designed cashgrab while also making it a joke.

There are Black people in all civ games, you retard. The problems with civ7 aren't "Black people".

Can somebody explain that? The game was too woke?

The same kind that makes you say “folks” or “my partner.”

lets just make DLC for our best one (see: 5).

lmao
No, they should have just created a remake of the actual best one (see:4), with hexagons and improved graphics.

Yes, my fellow ch*d. The problem was micro-transactions, and nothing more.

edit: thanks for the gold, kind stranger!

I feel like this civ is just too fundamentaly fucked to get fixed with DLCs, and as such people aren't willing to stick with it the same way they stuck with 5 or 6 at release

If it was to extract money from the players, they would include leaders that people actually care about and would pay money for. At most, you can argue that they get DEI funding for including Harriet Tubman because that definitely isn't the mentality that is making gachas so much money.

Pretending to be a retard doesn't hide the fact that you're still a retard. Slap your mother for me for giving birth to you.

Disingenuous cuck. The civilization of the zulus was in the original game. They didn't pretend niggers were the rulers of European or Asian civilizations like the new one does.

Even if they by some miracle manage to unfuck Civ7 with DLC it'd cost paradox tier money. Even on discount it'd be far too much.

How an I being disingenuous? If the retard above meant Harriet Tubman instead of 'niggers' in general, why didn't he say so?

The only civilization that allows you to play the same ethnic group throughout history is China.

It absolutely could work.

Start as Rome

Play as normal

Medieval Age Starts

Can stay as Rome or become Byzantium/Normans/Papal States

Staying as the original Civ gives big bonuses but also big draw backs as you refuse to catch up to modern times

If you do decide to switch your Civ the leader will change as well

If you pick Papal States for example then your Roman leader will become Pope Innocent or something like that

Repeat with the next age

This is just an example but I think the reason they didn't do it this way is because most Civ's didn't really progress in a neat fashion like Rome. Perhaps some Civ's would only get one age where they can switch Civ's. Realistically they'd have to cut out a lot of the made up Civ leaders like Harriet Tubman because they don't really have a place in the game.

Are you saying they all look the same?