Seriously, what was he even going to do after conquering Middle-Earth?
What was his endgame?
Do your mom
what was he even going to do after conquering Middle-Earth?
Conquer non-middle earth
Impose order and run things "better"
That was the original goal anyway, back when his intentions are actually good. By the time Fellowship starts he's just fallen so far he wants to conquer for the sake of conquering
villain is le bad because... he just is, okay
Tolkien you hack
This. We need to give Sauron a heckin sad backstory and a reveal that his true intentions are to conquer the world to end racism and homophobia.
lord of the rings is... le videogames?
Control it, run it the way he envisioned it.
Sauron at least had sort of a plan. I recently finished my Evil Dark Urge run in BG3 and I have honestly no fucking clue why anyone would worship Bhaal. I mean, endgame is literally TOTAL EVERYTHING DEATH
In a way, I suppose. I loved Battle for Middle Earth back in the day.
Yes.
basic satan character.
if god is good then why do we live in a world of discord?
therefore, god bad
originally he was obsessed with order but he kind of lost sight of that after following his boyfriend morgoth for long enough
quickly count over 15 offtopic threads
you single out this one for some reason
Plenty of real world sects want TOTAL EVERYTHING DEATH because the world sucks and they hate it as it is, whatever bacteria will come after is better than the lifeforms that exist now
I Sauron the NECROMANCER, ruler of Mount DOOM, clad in spiky black armor, shall rule with order and discipline. Surely everyone will fall in line!
I want order
therefore I pledge loyalty to the guy whose only goal is chaos and destruction
he was never all there
Some people just REALLY fucking love killing, Anon.
Also I like the fact that Bhaal is basically Khorne but with an actually end goal. He's not all able "kill for killing's sake", he wants all life to end. Khorne would hate that, because then their wouldn't be any fighting let.
This was way better than it had any right to be for a timed movie-game.
the revenge of the sith game was really good too
She just wanted to have a massive multiracial harem. Also he liked war.
Wasn't that Morgoth's thing? I don't think Sauron ever seethed about Iluvatar like Morgoth did
Tolkien's achievement is a creation of a highly elaborate fictional setting together with things like language and detailed history, and he deserves acknowledgement for that, but as a writer with potential to write actual serious literature he basically doesn't exist, he's somewhere at the basic children literature writer level.
English literature needing to wank something like this only shows the absolute state of English literature.
To be fair a ruler who has a evil spiky villain aesthetic but is actually a genuinely smart, honest and just ruler who eliminates crime and disorder where ever their domain expands is pretty cool.
Sauron desired to be a God-King, and was held to be this by his servants, by a triple treachery: 1. Because of his admiration of Strength he had become a follower of Morgoth and fell with him down into the depths of evil, becoming his chief agent in Middle Earth. 2. when Morgoth was defeated by the Valar finally he forsook his allegiance; but out of fear only; he did not present himself to the Valar or sue for pardon, and remained in Middle Earth. 3. When he found how greatly his knowledge was admired by all other rational creatures and how easy it was to influence them, his pride became boundless. By the end of the Second Age he assumed the position of Morgoth's representative. By the end of the Third Age (though actually much weaker than before) he claimed to be Morgoth returned. If he had been victorious he would have demanded divine honour from all rational creatures and absolute temporal power over the whole world.
From the man himself
They were once men
This was way better than it had any right to be
I don't understand this expression, why do native english speakers want things to be limited on purpose? I want to make thing I want it to be as fucking great as I can? Hello??
Have the orcs build spaceships with all of the earth's resources to go spread his evil across the galaxy
He's bad because he rebelled against God
it was a shovelware game rushed out to meet a deadline, is it really that hard to understand paco
If he had been victorious he would have demanded divine honour from all rational creatures and absolute temporal power over the whole world.
And then the Valar would wreck his shit in and banish him to the void. Or Eru will drown the continent even more. Great plan.
Wasn't that Morgoth's thing? I don't think Sauron ever seethed about Iluvatar like Morgoth did
Sauron was just Morgoth's fuccboi.
He's just trying to carry on Morgoth's plans while having zero understanding of the motives behind them.
Give me literally 3 good reasons why Gandalf shouldn't have put the ring on
he literally explains why
And then the Valar would wreck his shit in and banish him to the void
Probably not. They're non interventionist cucks.
So what that doesn't mean you get to want it to be be bad on purpose, nigger
Stick a finger up towards Eru while the latter resets the universe in a shitfit
If Saruman could get corrupted, then its a real possibility that Gandalf could too. He most likely understood this better than anyone.
is english really that difficult for you jesus christ
He just called himself Morgoth reborn because it was convenient he obviously did not adopt Morgoth's plan. He wanted to rule Middle Earth not destroy it outright.
I'm still chasing the high of playing war in the north at 2am with a blanket covering the door so my mom won't see I'm still awake
not my fault your language eats shit
Have the orcs do an orgy. Orcy.
Isn't that Myrkul?
And his real endgame?
Sauron's intention was to bring order to everything. That's literally his motivation. He intended to conquer everything so that under his control everything would be perfectly ordered.
So he would enslave everyone so there wouldn't be any freedom beyond what he deemed to be sufficiently conservative.
Despite this, Morgoth, Sauron's master, had the intention to destroy Arda, the Middle-Earth world. On account that Morgoth is essentially Satan and resented the setting's version of Christian God because Morgoth wanted to be the creator and Light, but since he couldn't he wanted to destroy everything. So if Sauron actually won then his intention to make things ordered wouldn't ever have reach fruition, since it would inevitably have served Morgoth's aim of just pure destruction. Also, the Valar across the sea presumably would've sent more Maiar or something to free Middle-Earth at some point anyway, just like they sent Gandalf and the other wizards.
some dude cut Sauron's finger guys time to pack and leave
Way better than whatever throat cancer comes out of your bitch mouth
I remember watching Fellowship of the Ring in the cinema when it came out as a kid. That shot at the beginning of Sauron sending all the soldiers flying with his mace was the coolest shit ever to me.
keep humans as slaves n shit
potentially conquer other worlds
And his real endgame?
U L T I M A T E
P O W E R
prepare the galaxy for the arrival of the vong
I suppose he'd want everyone to be cool skellies?
Not 'possibility' and 'could' be. Would be. Necessarily. Literally noone in Middle-Earth could withstand the corrupting power of the ring. That was the point.
In the greater setting as spelled out in the Silmarillion Arda was corrupted on creation by Morgoth. Noone of Arda, including the Maiar, could ever wholly overcome the corrupting power that was within them. So the Ring would always be able to take some hold on people. Until the world was unmade and remade as was originally intended, without corruption.
fuck them jedi
Very obviously there was none. George Lucas didn't intend one. He was just bad guy who was bad because he was bad.
He was trying to shape Arda to be "better" by imposing his view of perfect order upon it. He believed wholeheartedly that what he was doing was the 'right' way to do things and that his siblings and Eru were wrong.
More super lasers
Has a stooge who literally betrayed and murdered everyone he knew
Instead of getting rid of him immediately after making use of him, or at least keeping him as far away as possible and covered with contingency kill switches, make him a right hand, despite knowing what he's capable of doing
The stooge eventually betrays and backstabs you
Was he the most retarded evil overlord ever written?
Isn't the world itself Morgoth's ring? He put his power into corrupting it, like Sauron placed his own power into the ring. So Morgoth can't truly die until the world itself is unmade.
iirc the Valar cut off his hands and feet and imprisoned him or something?
Was he the most retarded evil overlord ever written?
You could say he payed the price for his lack of vision.
He'd have become worse than Sauron ever was.
good fucking god star wars fans are some of the dumbest creatures in existence
not an insult to you just a ramble
payed
Sheev had no endgame - he was just in it for the sheer love of fucking people over.
Well, in the books Sauron is first significanty wounded by Gil-Galad and Elendil, the two greatest kings of Elves and Men. (Elendil was like 2,5 metres or about 7'11' and died at 322) before Isildur landed the finishing blow.
I think that was a metaphor, but yes.
It always struck me as odd that the Sith philosophy is literally built on betrayal. It doesn't seem sustainable. Why would I want to become a Sith when I have to deal with becoming a slave to my emotions on top of training someone with the express purpose of them becoming my replacement the moment I let my guard down?
Being a Jedi doesn't seem all that better, either.
Morgoth was thrown into the void beyond the world and will only return at full power to destroy everything when it's time for the world to end, where he will be permanently destroyed when Eru unmakes and remakes Arda sans all corruption.
I enjoy Feanor being so fucking furious that he glows and all the 'bad guys' stay the fuck away from him.
You become a sith for ultimate power and you train sith because surely they will just remain your pawns and won't be able to overpower you, surely that would never happen to you.
Rule of Two was instigated because massive civil wars in the major Sith Empires/Orders kept ruining all their plans
The Rule of Two means that they have to focus on more long term planning and succession is handled by a "once you're more powerful than me you can kill me and take my place"
Being a Jedi doesn't seem all that better, either.
join a supposedly "holy order of knights" dedicated to maintaining peace and balance in the galaxy
turns out that's all bullshit and you're just a bunch of hired thugs working for the senate to stomp out any trade deals they find unfavorable.
The jedi are basically pinkertons
Isn't Arda supposed to become our Earth in the far future? When all magic fades. It's kind of funny to imagine Morgoth calling himself Yahweh, choosing a random desert tribe to have fun with, and Eru coming to Arda as Jesus to undo Morgoth's autism once more.
What goes on in the extended universe?
Sith philosophy is literally just Nietzsche's Will to Power, except you shoot lightning.
At the time tie-in games were just trash. Nobody really paid any attention to them since they were just quickly shat out dreck to make a quick buck which made an actual good tie in game like RotK so much more memorable.
Same goes for the Riddick, Spider-Man 2 and Star Wars games of the time.
Nobody expected the quality we got in the end from them.
Jedi are Pinkertons cosplaying as Buddhist monks with wizard powers
Star Wars makes so much more fucking sense with this in mind.
Then he can rule over the lands for all eternity.
Literally noone in Middle-Earth could withstand the corrupting power of the ring.
Pretty sure Sam could. His biggest dream was being the best gardener in Middle-Earth which he himself found silly.
Even Frodo was nigh uncoruptable since he had no big dream the Ring could corrupt him trough, only in the end where he was at his strongest close to Sauron Frodo gave in to wanting the Ring itself.
Not exactly. In The Hobbit the setting is described as 'a long ago in the quiet of the world, when there was less noise and more green'. But the conceit is The Hobbit is actually translated from Bilbo's original There and Back Again story, so not everything is literal. Also, Tolkien explicitly said it was an imaginary version of the past of the real world.
the part where Feanor got run over by Terry Davis felt really out of place
Sam gets corrupted by the Ring
surpasses Sauron and all others as the most powerful entity in existence
literally just uses his ultimate power to make the most fucking kick ass garden to ever exist
the only really "evil" thing he does is trespass on people's property to forcibly do their gardening
Capitalism
Sam would've cracked too eventually, the Ring just didn't had time to wear him out like it did with Frodo. Sam had the Ring for a few hours while Frodo wore it for months.
Pretty sure Sam could.
iirc the chapter where he wields the ring he starts getting thoughts about becoming a great king or warrior who destroys Mordor and frees everyone. i think anyone who spends long enough time with the ring will end up corrupted by it, just look at Gollum for example. he had no evil ambitions, and was just kept by the ring beneath the earth until it was time to resurface.
Smaug could
Gollum murdered someone to claim the ring, before it even had time to get it's hooks into him
So does our earth exist in star wars or have they still had the restraint to not mention it yet
It clearly says it's in a galaxy far far away.
There's a non-canon story where Han Solo crashes on earth, dies, Chewbacca becomes bigfoot, and Indiana Jones finds the Millennium Falcon.
far away from what?
that sounds kino actually
Deez nuts
Your mom
psycho killer
everything must be my 50 reddit shades of grey
No
GOD I FUCKING WISH THERE WAS A GOOD PC VERSION OF WAR IN THE NORTH WITH THE ONLINE STILL WORKING FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Bringing the balance to the galaxy, duh
2 Jedi, 2 Sith
you don't know anything about literature but that's okay, maybe you'll learn in time
Yes, this but unironically. I literally dont know you, but I know you did terrible in school if you like wrestling grade story lines and call good nuance reddit.
Wanting literally everything to be nuanced is reddit. It's uncreative and boring, an autistic continuation of needing to subvert expectations: Nothing can simply be good or evil, there must be twists and ironic meta-humor and quips and actually the bad guy is very similar to you and I, isn't that crazy?
Time for some music
Elves
A Elbereth Gilthoniel: youtube.com
Namarië: youtube.com
In the valley: youtube.com
Firiel's Song: youtube.com
Rolling down the hole: youtube.com
Dwarves
Far over misty mountains cold: youtube.com
Orcs/Goblins
Down, down to Goblin town: youtube.com
Where there's a whip, there's a way: youtube.com
Hobbit/Men
Roads go ever, ever on: youtube.com
the man in the moon stayed up too late: youtube.com
Bringing balance to the force means that an equal amount of light side and dark side users exist
I'm so sorry for hating George after the prequels
It really is such a surface level observation a child would make, writing standards have fallen so low for big budget movies
is lotro worth playing
Wanting [...] is reddit
I accept your cuckcession
I came to Anon Babble after 2016
What does this have to do with video games?
Morgoth rebelled against Ilúvatar and waged war against creations. Sauron was Morgoth's lackey.