Is it just bad when Nintendo does it?

props for not using wojak shit at least

It just seems like a big ruthberg machine to protect assets.

The cartridge acts as a proprietary defense against pirating but it requires specialized knowledge and goods to create which increases COGS which get passed down to the consumer.

Meanwhile the CD was the industry standard at the time before downloading large game files was possible.

The retail release of Half-Life doesn't require an internet connection to install and play though. If you want an actual example of this use the Orange Box DVD release, it requires Steam for you to play it, can't be sold used, and the discs don't have Episode 2 or Portal on them. Anyways I don't buy Steam games either if I can at all help it. If I can't get a real physical copy of a game when I purchase it then I don't buy it.

All the releases of HL1 had the games files on disc. Though those files became useless once the game was updated past the version on the disc. So they may as well have just been steam keys.

fpbp holy shit

meanwhile on SONY

People were complaining about download keys early on too

the max file size for the console is only 2TB

every turd party game is going to have a chunky file size

the vast majority of them won't have their file sizes on the cartridge

Genius.

fpbp, no notes necessary

lol get baited retard

OP got real quiet after this...

The install files are on the CD you fucking stupid faggot, without the need to use the internet.

This hasn't been true for years. MGSV was literally just a Steam install on a disc.

You guys are Valve cock suckers.

This hasn't been true for years.

CD. CD YOU FUCKING RETARD. YOUR PICTURE IS USING HALF LIFE AS AN EXAMPLE.

Okay and not all Nintendo and third party games are gonna be game key cards.

There is an entirely separate reason why PC games moved from discs and you know it you disingenuous retard.

Socio-economic factors, like Valve drones being the n-words of gaming.

meanwhile on SONY

posts PC game

what did he mean by this

If you bitch about game keycards you arent white.

3rd parties want to go digital and ensure you dont own your games

nintendo gets them to agree to let you at least still own the game

get mad at nintendo for this

fucking brainlet brownoids

you don't "install" the game with the game-key, you download it
also everyone hated valve forcing you to use steam too

posting niggerbabble doesn't make you right

But Valve drones psyopped Anon Babble into thinking everyone worshipped Steam when it was new

It's only zoomers who grew up playing TF2 post hat update that still defend Valve.

PC vegans have no standards. I already knew this

The install files are on the CD you fucking stupid faggot

False.

being illiterate on a fucking internet forum

already dreaming up a response about how this is an image board because youre so fucking illiterate you dont know what "forum" means

they hated it until all the games were dirt cheap in the early 2010's and then people started using it. by then people had already gotten used to buying their wow expansions digitally anyway so it wasn't a big deal. i think the first humble bundles were around then too where you could pay 99 cents to get all the games.

nintendo can brick your game and console if they think you did a no-no

OH YES DADDY NINTENDO I'LL JUST BUY ANOTHER

Nah, console players are turbo faggots

nintendo, sony, microsoft, and even valve can brick your game and console if they think you did a no-no

Fixed

But I still remember shills going

Muh hecking PC and Switch alliance!

No, this is still you-own-nothing territory, may as well not even own physical

Good thing I use GOG then huh, nigger

So false wow.

Sure about that, sweetie?

devs can brick your system if they think you did a no-no

PC gamers, especially pre 2010's, had an average IQ in the three digit range so nobody ever cared about games being physical arbitrarily.

PC game

download it, crack the DRM if there is any, make a thousand backups, mod it to my heart's content, own it forever

Nintendo game

only allowed to play it when nintendo says so

locked to their proprietary hardware

if the game breaks, I lose it forever

no mods, that's illegal

has a built-in self-destruct that Nintendo can activate at any time, via bricking keycards they deem illegitimate or just bricking the switch itself

The former seems like a better deal.

we were always happy to own nothing

You can crack Nintendo consoles and games.

purchase game at garage sale

install game

it asks for cd key I dont have

This is "ownership" to a steamoid, as in, you are owned by a fat nerd and you WILL give him your money, paypig.

Which promptly gets Nintendo's Pinkertons sent after you. Meanwhile Valve purposely made steam as easy to circumvent as possible.

Which promptly gets Nintendo's Pinkertons sent after you.

Same with valve

phone posting the AI overview

Nothing there about deleting your games or crashing your PC in there

Holy shit,
Why are you lying?

You cannot own a information.
Anyone with a three digit IQ knows this intuitively, and doesn't care about plastic discs or random cartridges. No amount of cope will change that.

Why are you lying?

I'm not

got btfo by AI

You can.

cuz pc had terrible drm for physical copies and gabes drm is tolerable and all the games go on sale
alot
valves a mixed bag but slightly less evil than nintendo xbox ps etc

a notification on steam saying "pls don't use this software to unlock DLC" is the same as Nintendo sending private investigators to stalk someone for 3 years, before threatening them with fines and jailtime

You cannot own a information

Retarded take. Retarded ESL.

You would get sued or jailtime for setting up a shop selling ripped valve titles and modified steam decks so that's false.

You would get sued or jailtime for setting up a shop selling ripped valve titles

More so that nobody would bother because valve games are incredibly easy to pirate.

modified steam decks

How would you modify them? They're built to allow custom OS installation and homebrew by default. they're even designed to be easy to take apart and replace everything else. And there's nothing that says you can't resell them.

retarded take

You've got nothing to respond with for a reason. The idea of being able to own media is utter retard shit for dumbasses. It's just data.

retarded ESL

Just changed my sentence halfway through and edited it wrong, faggot

Actual sub zero iq nigger monkey retard fluoride brain post, holy shit

More so that nobody would bother

Ok, but you can't and valve would brick your account if they found out. Like all other platforms.

IQ poster

tranime

Your life absolutely sucks.

Ok, but you can't and valve would brick your account if they found out.

What account? How are you selling modified Valve games to begin with? Or do you just foolishly tell people your steam account so they can give you money that way? And if you did lose your steam account, you DO realize that you can keep playing PC games, right? Valve doesn't own PC as a whole.

Old PC games did have the actual game on the disc(s) you purchased.

Cyberpunk is DRM-free so that's quite literally the best-case scenario for game preservation and ownership. You can make backup copies as easily as a copy + paste and there is no DRM to get in the way of either the copy process or playing the copy later. It's far better than any DRM'd form of distribution (including physical copies with DRM) so you chose a bad example.

You are on an anime website, Rajeesh.

bingtendo

hates anime

what did xhe xhem mean by this?
anime website btw

Gary Bowser can still play Nintendo games.

Old PC games did have the actual game on the disc(s) you purchased.

Which you can no longer use because of CD keys, retard. And don't you say "WELL THERE WASN'T CD KEYS BACK IN THE EARLY 90'S" because that's not what this thread is about, nigger. Time moves on.

You've got nothing to respond with for a reason.

What I hear is

Write a thesis to prove something self-evident or my retarded take is truth

And the answer is no. You are just an idiot.
No.

you can resell the switch 2 key card games

you can also choose to not buy them

i don't really see the problem. it's better than pure digital

being able to "own" information via owning a random individual copy of it is self evident

Yeah, there is a reason you're afraid to try back that one up.
There's only one retard here, and it's the inbred retarded faggot who thinks there's no real reason that every single game ever made tells you that you own a license rather than the game itself.

the death threat is a bit excessive, no?

cd key

files are on a cd

all the fpbp replies

What the fuck happened to Anon Babble‘s intelligence?
I get hating on nintendo for selling game key cartridges but you have to be incredibly retarded to make a statement like this.

You need to die. I want to fucking kill you.

Relax anon

If the games are good, then why are you insistent on selling them? There are game cartridges I bought 30 years ago, and I wouldn't part with them for all the gold in Fort Knox.

If the games are good, then why are you insistent on selling them?

Because you can. It's like asking if the game is good then why are you modding/copying/pirating. You just can. It's a benefit.

Why are Snoytrannies acting like Nintendo is doing anything wrong with making the game key shit? The goal is to give consumers slightly more digital rights, but they still have regular digital and physical carts will still exist. The only devs who will force consumers to use the game key things over physical are turbo jew devs and that's on them, not Nintendo.

Except modding and copying the game implies that you want to keep enjoying it long after the original dies or is lost. Selling it is based on the notion that you hate the game and you want to get rid of it.

You can keep playing a game you sold before

If the games are good, then why are you insistent on selling them?

if this is your logic, then why do you give a shit if your games are digital?

And how is that different from just pirating the game and saving all the trouble? If you wanted to sell it so badly, then clearly it wasn't worth the money.

slightly more digital rights

So we can make infinite copies and mod and hack the game? Does that mean the Switch 2 is hackable and we can install a custom OS? For a company that wants to give us more digital rights, that would be swell.

Because game key cards lack any of the benefits and features of just pirating a PC game.

I cannot resell a pirated PC game

And how is that different from just pirating the game and saving all the trouble

Money

You wouldn't need to resell it, because you never needed to buy it in the first place. And realistically, how much money do you really expect to get from reselling it to gamestop? 10 dollars? You expect someone to pay anything more than that for slop like Ass Creed or Cyberpunk?

Pirated PC games lack the benefit of owned physical console software.

realistically, how much money do you really expect to get from reselling it

My gameboy collection last I checked is over a grand. That is just one of my platforms games that I own.

pirated PC games lack the prison bars of proprietary bullshit

ftfy

I own physical copies of Gameboy games as well, including Oracle of Ages and Seasons, both of which would net me an easy 200 dollars on amazon, but I'd never sell them because I actually like video games instead of viewing them as glorified NFTs. So again, because I actually enjoy games, the selling point means nothing.

you also seemed to dodge the other point brought up, implying that a gameboy game somehow has the same value as AAA slop sold in the modern year. I even brought up examples. Tell me again how much you expect to resell Cyberpunk or Ass Creed for.

the game is on the cd too though

i sold most of my switch 1 games that I was done with for around 80% of their launch MSRP

Yes PC games lack ownership.

I'd never sell them because I actually like video games instead of viewing them as glorified NFTs

I'm not telling you to sell your games.

implying that a gameboy game somehow has the same value as AAA slop sold in the modern year.

No. I'm smart enough to know which handfull of modern games are worth buying physically because they don't require downloads.

So you bought terrible games that you never wanted to play again, and lost 20% of the money you spent on them.

PC games lack ownership

And yet you can do more with them than console games. Tell me, where are the mods for Mario Odyssey and Tears of the Kingdom, that won't get you v& by nintendo?

people only sell things they don't like

you're a fucking retard

You know damn well this is a board of steam shills that treat Gaben like a god and would literally suck his dick if he demanded it

If you liked those games, you would keep them. Isn't the entire allure of nintendo games that they're evergreen and don't drop in value? I guess that was a load of marketing pilpul, wasn't it?

wouldn't you only sell your own personal property if you were poor or didn't want it?

go ahead, try to resell your steam games. oh wait, you can't! :-(

And yet you can do more with them than console games

Yes there are pros and cons of either format. If I wanted the pros of digital piracy I would do that, but I don't because I don't see any value in modifying entertainment software of any kind. Book, game, movie, music, etc. If you want to scribble out frodo and write Shrek in the margins of every ebook you own go nuts. Not my thing.

False if/then

Why would you need to pirate your games? Unless... are you POOR??

Why would I sell games I want to play?

but I don't because I don't see any value in modifying entertainment software of any kind

lol

There's no reason otherwise to sell a game. If you're so poor that you need to sell the game for money, then logic dictates that you would've pirated it to begin with.

Thanks for confirming that you are poor

I don't know why you (You)'d me, I own a mighty collection of physical games and every console you could ever want, I also pirate modern slop to see if its good first then they might get a purchase.
Without a doubt my collection of nintendo games is larger than yours and unlike yours, its actually on the cart

But you can sell it though and that's a big deal. I avoided digital games because you can't resell them but now you can

I also pirate modern slop to see if its good first then they might get a purchase.

Bullshit. Nobody has ever done this.

Not sure why you care so much about that. I have a huge collection of physical games, not doubt like yourself, and they're first party nintendo titles from Ocarina of Time to Super Mario World. The games I have in my collection are likely worth thousands, but they'll never see an amazon or ebay action because I actually want to keep them.

Your obsession with selling games just tells me that you don't care about vidya as entertainment. All you see it as is some get rich quick scheme. You buy a game mint in the box, put it on a shelf for 20 years, and then maybe sell it for 20% more than what you bought it for. But you never actually play it or consider going back to it.

I'd happily sacrifice my right to resell a game, if it meant the game was fun and I could modify it and make copies of it forevermore. Sometimes money isn't as important as just enjoying yourself.

yeah because like everything they are 20 years late to the party

I have 590 games on steam that say otherwise

Why would I sell games I want to play?

You wouldn't. You're a PC vegan so you'll prefer a digital format and then pretend like you had a choice in the matter.

Pros of Game Key Carts

-Can be resold.
-Can be lent out, I think, if I'm not mistaken

Cons of Game Key Carts

-Might hurt 3rd Party support possibly in some ways.
-If you're fully against digital in general, still not fully ideal.

I guess at the end of the day it's just another option. But I hope normal cartridge prices become cheaper down the line, so that option will be more affordable for those who prefer normal physical for games.

There's no reason otherwise to sell a game

Money

I have physical console games, and I still prefer digital. Just more freedom in general.

Enjoying a good game is more important than money. This same stupid logic is why people will value an 80 dollar game as being better than a 10 dollar indie, just because muh higher budget somehow means better game.

yes, and everyone shit on those when it happened and stopped buying them. Thats why you dont see physical PC games in stores anymore. No one really likes the digital only games era but its also generally easy enough to pirate on PC that you can pretty trivially get drm free copies of games you actually care about.

If you want to grandstand about how you're better than everyone that's your prerogative as a narcissist with a god complex. I say to each their own. Do whatever makes you happy within reason. Play whatever you want, on whatever format you want, on whatever platform you want. And for that I'm a better gamer than you.

I have physical console games, and I still prefer digital. Just more freedom in general.

Same but I prefer physical. More ownership in general.

not him but I do this

Enjoying a good game is more important than money

I think both are important.

Calm down, PCtroon. Your masculine rage is boiling over.

You are the definition of a hylic, and there's no way to fix that.

The stark contrast between how we view games is quite telling.

I see a fun game

"Wow, that looks fun. I'll probably enjoy that for a long time"

you see a fun game

"if I buy that for 60 dollars, then put it in shrink wrap and hide it for 30 years, I can resell it for 30% of its resale value at gamestop. But I can never play it at any point, or else the resell value will go down."

Fippy bippy kek

My used copy of Haunting Ground I play annually is worth more than your RGBT LED rig or your whore mother for that matter

Others already pointed out how OP's picture is faggoty, but other reasons that Nintendo is so much worse is

Raised the standard price for both digital and physical games to $80

Physical games specifically mentioned to cost more than digital, so an $80 digital title may be a $90 physical.

cardkey doesn't contain the game files to install.

Nintendo controls the hardware and publishes software too.

It would literally be better if they just did the whole thing digital. If they were going to go physical, they could at least drop the game on the SD Express card that is going to be the new standard for storage. This would let them allow the user to make use of an extra room on the card, or failing that at very least allow the game's future updates/DLC to be saved locally on the card itself. Nintendo has made things extra shitty this time it seems

I play this game annually

but I NEED to sell it immediately right now, because I can't stand holding onto it

PLEASE SOMEONE BUY MY GAME

I don't sell games at gamestop, and I never said any of that.

(You)

The easiest way to determine if you own something or not is to ask yourself this question: "Can I sell it?" If the answer is yes then you do own it, if the answer is no then you don't own it, simple as. I want to own the things I buy.

gamers are cucks

You need to die. I want to fucking kill you.

Holy based fpbp

What's the point of owning something if you're not allowed to make copies of it, or modify it?

What's the point of buying something if you can't own it?

If you owned it, then you wouldn't be subject to the corporation holding you on a leash.

False if/then

Dodging the question. How can you own something and not be allowed to modify it or change it or make copies of it?

Without even an update, let alone a shitload of data that doesn't fit on a single cd? That hasn't been true in years

How can you own something and not be allowed to modify it or change it or make copies of it?

Through terms and agreements.

Oh yeah? I'm going to gift my copy of the game, which I can copy infinitely; problem GOG?

@grok, is this reel?

So you don't own physical games either, since the "terms and agreements" say that you only own a temporary revokable license.

B-BUT I CAN LE SELL IT TO GAMESTOP FOR 5 BUCKS

And I can play my digital games forever, uncucked by DRM or corporations. If the only thing "ownership" offers is the ability to make a fraction of your money back, I'd rather go with digital. Bonus points if I don't even pay for the game to begin with, so I end up with a 0 balance in terms of money gained/lost, while you have to pray that you can resell your game for even half of what you paid for.

inb4 "BUT MY COPY OF CYBERPUNK IS WORTH 5000 DOLLARS"

lol

The steam install also comes with the archive files of the game in most cases. There are tools to extract them and disable the steam basic DRM so you can play any steam release on disc.
I have like 2 dozen steam releases on disc that work perfectly fine, and I can even patch them manually without steam because my PC isn't locked down.

I wouldn't mind the game cards if Nintendo distributed installers and patch files with no DRM that could be downloaded on PC and saved to a backup system with only requiring the game key card to enable playing them on a system.

So you don't own physical games either,

False if/then

Yeah I do

You said it yourself. Terms and agreements rob you of your ability to modify and copy physical games. At that point you're just a cuck to corporates.

HOLY SHIET

I'm not the one who paid money for something I don't own

Funny, when it comes to PC games, paying for them is entirely optional, unless it's some POS with denuvo, not like those are worth anything anyway.

It's funny, for "not owning" my games, it sure is nice to be able to install HD texture mods, enhancement mods that fix bugs and glitches, improvement mods that add difficulty modes, remix mods that change the entire game, and even source ports that let me completely revamp the game's code and do stuff you couldn't accomplish even on the physical hardware. but hey, I guess paying 90 bucks for Breath of the Wild is worth it so the game can give you an in-game phone with google maps.

You don't have to buy a digital game to do any of that, and all of that can be done in addition to owning a physical copy.

i lol at that fuckin unironed flag everytime

and all of that can be done in addition to owning a physical copy.

You said it yourself, you can't modify a physical copy. Terms and endearments and whatnot. Meanwhile, despite me not owning my games, I still get to play them. When does Nintendo take them away?

Digital products were bad from the very beginning, but at this point only autists care about it. Most moved on.

CD
KEY
FUCKING
READ

Buying a physical game has no bearing on whether or not I pirate an additional copy and modify it on my PC. You can do both. Well...not you. You're a PC vegan so you'll intentionally limit yourself to just one option.

Buying a physical game has no bearing on whether or not I pirate an additional copy and modify it on my PC.

So you can't do that on your physical copy, and you need to embrace digital to be allowed any freedom. Interedasting.

FPBP

Why the fuck are physical niggers still a thing, just die already

That hasn't been true in years

What fucking CD are you buying in recent years??

well when you really think about it... we are all physical niggers...

So you can't do that on your physical copy

Don't need to, and there is no point either. Fun fact, before PC had all ownership rights stripped away you could mod physical PC games. Not modding physical is just a console thing and not an inherent flaw to physical games.

doesn't remember when software could only be installed a limited number of times and needed to verify over the internet first

dumb zoomer

No.

top has sales

bottom doesn't

Anyway, fuck nintendo.

I paid like 1 dollar for the steam key, not 90

FED JANNIES!

AKSHUALLY I DON'T NEED TO MOD MY GAMES, THAT'S FOR TRANNIES, I LOVE PROPRIETARY HARDWARE SLAVERY

It would make too much fucking sense for Nintendo the spearhead the return of the game cartridge
Especially with how colossal game installs are nowadays, each "game key card" or whatever could house the game files and all patched in content at the same time

Sure.

old days when you owned physical games

you could mod them

now, when you no longer own games

can still mod them

Wow, it's a nothingburger.

If Valve didn't take consumer rights away from you day one, you would be defending physical PC games right now. Physical games on PC would be the best of all worlds, with the only drawback of having to use a disc reader.

If you weren't underage you would know that people were furious when Steam first came out and you needed to connect online to play Half-Life 2.

still have physical games

but they all have DRM in them so you can't copy them or modify them

No thanks. Keep your console cuckoldry.

Ok PC vegan.

buying a key through an online store which saves both the customer and the seller money by saving the retail tariff

buying a key on a retail store that only saves money for the product company, while the customer pays the retail tariff

Kill yourself.

Same to you, console cuck.

Nigger, Gaben didn't invent CD-keys and devs have been implementing shit to keep players from just pirating games that would fuck you over if you lost the disc or even the god damn manual for that matter. Case in point, Ultima 7 basically had a part very early on that required you to enter longitude and latitude coordinates from a map that came with the game to proceed. Space Quest 4 required to enter a bunch of digits in the time machine that I believe were listed in the manual. Kings Quest 6 had the steps of logic which again were a form of copyright protection that required you to consult the manual to solve. Yeah you might be able to just bypass them nowadays through the magic of the internet but back in the day if you lost whatever was needed to get through that copy protection shit or just bought the game with the jewel case and nothing else from a garage sale or whatever back in the day, you were absolutely fucked.

The install files are on the CD you fucking stupid faggot

What CD? I never got one from using Steam

crack the DRM if there is any, make a thousand backups, mod it to my heart's content

Good for you, but let's be honest, the vast majority of normalfags don't know how to do any of that

im an idort actually but thanks though

Ok zoom zoom

I'm an idort, but I hate PC gaming and I wish we could outlaw modding and romhacks, since they ruin the dev's original vision

lol

Buy digital game for Wii/3DS/WiiU

Can't download and install it anymore

Money stolen

when steam came, retail for PC was basically non-existent and completely dead. The stores shelves only had copies of Diablo 2 and Halo.

sure sent these yunguns packing gramps