So,is she The Gloam Eyed Queen,Marika or Ranni ?

So,is she The Gloam Eyed Queen,Marika or Ranni ?

She's another child of Marika

Don't bother with Fromshit lore unless you can read Japanese because when the lore is being told through a couple of item descriptions, any mistranslation can give entire lore bits a false meaning

Fromshart didn't care, so I won't either
Enjoy your fujo lore

Why aren't there any item descriptions mentioning her?
Did i just imagine her in my head?

Was Marika the Gloam Eyed Queen before she become the god we all know and love ?

Marika is a dragon
Radagon is an anagram of A Dragon

duuuuude

And Marika is an anagram of I Am Ark

She was the GEQ and daughter of Marika. Marika killed her as she was threat to her. It's pretty simple.

Gloam-Eyed Queen is the final boss of Nightreign.

She's Marika's daughter and Messmer's sister. She had a similar fire thing going on. IDK I used to have an autistic obsession with this games lore but shadow of the erdtree showed that fromsoft doesn't give a shit. 25 hour long theory crafting slop videos for eternity.

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writing anything

Temple of Eiglay has absolutely nothing to do with the GEQ, dipshit. That's all serpent god and Rykard lore. The serpent god is a female and Rykard became her consort when she ate him. They birthed a daughter, Zorayas. That amniotic sac is from the serpent.

Wrong
Nope, this is another "Furtive Pygmy is the final boss of Artorias" and "Godwyn is the final boss of Shadow". The game is already telling the player the Gloam Eyed Queen is Eiglay because it's the Snake that generates the Godskins and has malformed dragon statues in her chamber, which were adopted by the Erdtree Sentinels that faced the Dragons.

Nightreign will not have the Gloam Eyed Queen

Marika is anagram for Miraak

Temple with a bunch of snake motifs ans a big ass snake skin is not dedicated to the big ass snake that ate a demigod

Okay anon.

the Snake that generates the Godskins

Never heard this theory in my entire life but there's nothing to suggest the serpent has anything to do with the Godskins or Blackflame other than their presence in the manor itself. There's not a single piece of lore in the game to support this theory.

That's all serpent god and Rykard lore. The serpent god is a female and Rykard became her consort when she ate him.

Retard, the Serpent God is another serpent avatar of many, and every serpent avatar spawns in various hosts. Eiglay is the Gloam Eyed Queen. Her temple is worshipped and protected by Godskins.

Eglé was a real myth of a shapeshifting serpent goddess of fertility, from which Miyazaki wrote Eiglay

He wrote the backstory, from software made the rest that happened.

There's nothing in the game connecting the name Eiglay to the GEQ though. The only connection at all would be the Godskin Noble's presence in the temple itself, but there's no written lore anywhere to suggest it. You'd be onto something if the serpent used Blackflame during the boss battle, but it doesn't.

Never heard this theory in my entire life

You don't "hear" it, you read it if you can find the supple skin of Godskins, which you clearly didn't and in genral you don't know shit about lore.

The Godskins were birthed in Volcano Manor by the GEQ. Rykard communing with the God-Devouring serpent and creating man-serpents with their grace is similar (but different, as they are not artificial beings).

but shadow of the erdtree showed that fromsoft doesn't give a shit.

SotE explained so much though

Goyslop thread

She's Zanzibart, who fucking cares no one pays attention to the lore

supple skin of Godskins

Has absolutely nothing to do with the serpent in volcano manor. This item is found in a cave in MoTG.

You'd be onto something if the serpent used Blackflame during the boss battle, but it doesn't.

Because you are not just retarded but legitimately unable to understand Elden Ring.
Not omlnly the God-devouring serpent is not the Gloam Eyed Queen, but you have it backwards as you think the Gloam Eyed Queen is the origin of serpents.

It's the other way around, all snakes are aspect of the same Great Serpent which is a metaphysical concepts like the Twinbirds and the Rot itself. It chooses many hosts that express such aspect differently as their avatars. The fact that the Gloam Eyed Queen was an avatar of the Great Serpent is why the Godskins have serpentine features, but doesn't mean all avatars of the Serpent are connected to the Gloam Eyed Queen

you think the Gloam Eyed Queen is the origin of serpents

You're putting words in my mouth, I never said this at all. Take your fucking meds.

it doesn't matter

Gloam eyed queen

Literally just three random words put together that has zero (0) impact on the game.

Has absolutely nothing to do with the serpent in volcano manor.

Yes it is, because you find the Gloam Eyed Queen serpent amnion in her temple

I mean it definitely did answer some questions. Such as the true nature of the fingers. I understand that any good story like this has a lot of ambiguities but I still feel like nothing got completely answered. Who are the Numen really? How are the putrescence ships related to the ancient dynasty? And then there was the miquella radahn thing which was shoehorned in even though it should have been godwyn.

Gloam Eyed Queen serpent amnion

That item has nothing to do with the GEQ, that's YOUR retard theory.

Item texts are non-diegetic, and as such they should be dismissed entirely. If the story doesn't make sense or doesn't exist without them, the game is bad.

You're putting words in my mouth,

No I'm not. You clearly said that by implying the God-Devouring Serpent is connected to Eiglay. This is because like I said you are low IQ and Elden Ring trusts the player intelligence to form connections. Eiglay's temple has the literal womb of the Gloam Eyes Queen birthing ritual protected by Godskins. The God Devouring Serpent shouldn't use blackflame because the onoy comnection it has with the deceased Eiglay is that they both were avatars of the Great Serpent, which is represented as having many manifestations like other metaphysical aspects have different avatars in Elden Ring (the example of Rot and Death Rite is perfect). You legitimately can't understand that because Elden Ring puts a huge IQ filter before you get its lore

GEQ was factually an empyrean, so she cannot have been the serpent. Serpent anon is a mongoloid. Why would the Fingers ever choose a serpent when serpents are a symbol of heresy?

no marika babymaking ending

no passionate handholding sex with melina to level up

no sorceress sellen sex instructor

I want my refund

That item has nothing to do with the GEQ

Yes it does, it's the same birthing of Godskins described, which is why Godskins defend her temple and are allied with the Carians, both Rykard and Radahn.
The Godskin noble itself spawning to defend it as boss, the fact that Godskins raise in rank by sacrificing up to 7 people represented by the 7 sacrifices the Gloam Eyed Queen performer with the ancient mausoleums, and the culture of sacrifice that the Volcano Manor inherited from the previous era where the Gloam Eyed Queen ruled and under which the festive rituals became a long standing tradition give ample evidence that Eiglay was the Gloam Eyed Queen.

The statues are also the malformed serpent dragons adopted by draconic sentinels also fighting and guarding in Farum Azula, where the GEQ had been killed.

You are just seething because you found out a blatant connection was beyond your intellect

Ngl i almost always forget she exists

Who are the Numen really?

People from beyond the sea that settled in the Lands Between with peculiarly meldy flesh, with long lives but rarely born.

How are the putrescence ships related to the ancient dynasty?

Those are coffins in which the dead were interred to travel the sea of tue afterlife in a religious ritual (Tibia Mariners are what remains of this ritual).

it should have been godwyn

Godwyn is super duper dead yet still alive and gets a questline, conclusion and ending in the base game.

It is very well established that the Serpent God was its own thing, you are a retard and I'm done replying to you.

GEQ was factually an empyrean, so she cannot have been the serpent

And why is that? Retarded nigger
In fact, there's plenty evidence all empyreans host aspects like these

Why would the Fingers ever choose a serpent when serpents are a symbol of heresy?

Holy fuck, you are truly a low IQ subhuman. According to who do you think serpents are blasphemous? Uh? Retard, Marika with the Age of the Erdtree made them so. The Serpent is an enemy of the Erdtree

the Serpent God was its own thing,

Yes retard, it was ANOTHER avatar of the Great Serpent.
Retard

Who are the Numen really? How are the putrescence ships related to the ancient dynasty? And then there was the miquella radahn thing which was shoehorned in even though it should have been godwyn

You really didn't understand it
How stupid you are?

Radagon is not Marika, he was not initially fused with her. She just used her Numen magics along the way to make him and her one.

Radagon is not Marika

It's Painted Marika.

Radagon is a larval tear of Marika imbued with primordial amber, so he was created by Marika. This is why using law of regression points to Marika as origin to converge.

The primordial (crimson) amber makes Radagon related to Misbegotten and gives it the red hair that make him related to the giants that founded the Crucible.

When Marika and Radagon merge. They become one by using the non shattered halves, which is exactly what Marika created and then shattered Radagon for

Her temple is worshipped and protected by Godskins.

No it is not? Godskins are in the most random places completely unrelated to Rykard or Serpent God. In Caelid one is protecting GEQ's sword, in Atlus they are attending skin peeling rituals, in Farum Azula they are plotting to capture Rune of Death, I assume? They are clearly attached to GEQ's symbols and memorabilia but I seriously doubt that Rykard's snake is in fact her.

That sounds plausable, proceed.

He wrote a 3 sentence outline on a bar napkin

Her temple is worshipped and protected by Godskins

The Godskin Noble is there to harvest her godly skin, as godskins do.

No it is not?

Yes it is

Godskins are in the most random places completely unrelated to Rykard or Serpent God.

Correct, they are where it is related to the Gloam Eyed Queen. This includes the antechamber to where Maliketh killed the Gloam Eyed Queen and the Temple of Eiglay where the body and womb of the Gloam Eyed Queen were carried
Because Eiglay is the Gloam Eyed Queen, and the Gloam Eyed Queen was the actual empyrean that was chosen by the Fingers.

Blah blah blah post Melina's cute/sexy

The Frenzied Flame ending is way too on the nose to not be implying Melina is the GEQ. But it may be a leftover from early lore. It kind of doesn't make sense when Marika was meant to fight GEQ in her prime, but also seemingly didn't give birth to Melina likely until she was already trapped in the Erdtree. Could just be God magic though

Headcanon is very strong in this one. Fancy how neither Rykard nor anyone in Volcano manor bears any connection to godskins and they don't even seem to care to protect "her" chamber. Uh-huh, that's CLEARLY because serpent will never die, amirite?

She’s a shadow beast. Same eye color and Blaidd’s, and Maliketh’s removed eye.

The JP fan theory was that Marika was the GEQ or some other aspect of her, and Melina was following in her original programming.

No, the Godskin Noble is there because Eiglay was the Gloam Eyed Queen.

Marika was an usurper that was never chosen by the Fingers, even Maliketh was acquired and only used as vessel.
But with Radagon, Marika can control the Rune of Death as shadow half, like the actual Empyreans, because Marika was never a true empyrean and is never stated to be one unlike the actual empyreans, a detail that of couse 99% of people playing the lore is too retarded to understand.

Marika artificially trasmuted herself as an Empyrean with dual identity, becoming the avatar of the Elden Beast. This is why Law of Regression and Casuality arr part of Fundamentalism. Elden Beast is created by regressing the Elden Ring to its primordial state, before it became Order.

I thought he just wrote it on the palm of his hand when he was drunk one night. Kinda like ASOIAF.

and they don't even seem to care to protect "her" chamber.

Did my gane glitch then? Why is there a random womb mentioning a mother right under Eiglay then? Why are the Godskin moving and extending like Serpents? Retard

Melina is just Marika's St. Trina, something she sheds along the way to her divinity.

base game has a dagger you can find when going down one of the elevators past the main city. The dagger mentions a daughter of marika who is to be a sacrifice of flame, the dagger shares the same moveset and special as the black knife assassin blades, except its holy damage instead of dark, so like the golden order. It's also the same dagger melina actually uses when you summon her for the fight with margot.

The Frenzied Flame ending is way too on the nose to not be implying Melina is the GEQ

Something being up with Melina's eye during that ending doesn't really imply that she's the GEQ. She is a deliverywoman for Destined Death, which becomes her job after she is robbed of her original mission of being the kindling maiden.

Nothing implies Melina is the GEQ.
Melina burned to destroy the previous Sacred Tree for Marika, and did it again. Melina was also stuck forever in a cellar and exist as spirit.
Melina has zero connection to the Godskins or blackflame.
She is a kindling maiden that leads the Tarnished to Destined Death, tasked by Marika so that Death can have the Elden Ring reforged again.

Godwyn is super duper dead yet still alive and gets a questline, conclusion and ending in the base game.

I understand this. But in the base game miquella's only loving interactions are with Godwyn such as castle sol and the golden epitaph. Miquella could have easily used a mimicry of godwyns body like he already does for radahn. As for his soul fromsoft added plenty of death lore in the dlc. Im sure they could have pulled something out. I would have appreciated it more if they actually put effort into foreshadowing this besides the battle in caelid if you can even call that foreshadowing.

I wonder what was up with Melina having unique attacks that none of the black knives have, almost as if she was designed to be a bossfight.

could just be that she's housing the queen so she can't reincarnate, and marika had her burned and left as a ghost in hopes that the seal would be permanent. Then she gets pissed off enough by torrents death that she accidentally breaks the seal and the queen wakes up.

You really didn't understand it

I understand it perfectly fine. None of the lore questions I mentioned besides maybe the death ships were adequately expanded upon.
for the numen we wont from

they are from beyond the sea and live a long time and are rarely born. And marika was one of them.

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they are from beyond the sea and live a long time and are rarely born and Marika was one of them. And they were persecuted by the hornsent and have the ability to mend their flesh to others.

it is weird she's only ever used one time for a boss fight summon against margot

She's not Ranni which is the only relevant thing to Miyazaki

That's a really cute picture

Nice headcanon
There's no loving interaction.
Miquella wants Godwyn to die because it's an obstacle to the resurrection of Ensha, the King of Stormveil during the Sun Realm whose bones are now soulless.

Since there can only be one body that lives in Death, Those Lost in Death see to Godwyn as guidance instead of Ensha.

Again retards who don't understand Elden Ring just project the most mundane headcanon instead of trying to see what evidence the game provides. Those Lost in Death, including the spirits of the Banished Knights habging around Castle Sol, await the guidance of Ensha

I understand it perfectly fine.

No you don't

None of the lore questions I mentioned besides maybe the death ships were adequately expanded upon.

They were, but you don't understand that either, just like you didn't understand Castle Sol

Miquella could have easily used a mimicry of godwyns body like he already does for radahn

Not when Godwyn's soul was obliterated, he can't. The only reason it worked with Radahn was because Radahn's soul wasn't destroyed by Malenia's Rot or the Tarnished finishing him off in Caelid. As for Godwyn's "Body", it's an unsalvageable cancer on the world at this point. Miquella must have had to give up at a certain point when he realized that neither part of Godwyn was salvageable.

Shut up ! I don't have 37 intelligence.I couldn't possible know that

Miquella never cared about Godwyn and it's hilarious that Redditors are fighting over wheter he could or couldn't resurrect him, showing they don't even understand what True Death is

Am i a furry if am attracted to Melina ?

No because the post you are replying to is complete headcanon

He made a whole castle to do a ritual to save his soul. Miq did care about godwyn

Even Fromslop doesnt know and it will never get explained because From doesnt know how to make appealing worlds anymore you retards need to stop sniffing copium and lore shit

Hey kitten, I'm an expert on From Software lore.

Wait, where are you going kitten? Was it something I said?

Didnt the game of thrones dude write almost everything in er?

LMAO at best he wrote a napkin propably with dumb shit like "add incest" or something written on it. Dudes a scam

I never find her attractive. Something is off about her face which makes her look very extra terrestrial to me. Her proportions never harmonize even if she has both eyes.

How did Eiglay use the Godslayer Greatsword with no arms?

it answered some things

but it deconfirmed my favorite headcanon so it's pee pee poo poo

How has Melina not have a nude mod yet?

She did disappear/reappear whenever you exit the bonfire. Kind of like whenever you take meds.

it's a lazy studio working from the notes off a lazier guy

No wonder the game's story sucks balls

Everyone forgot about her.

nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/3815?tab=posts

He made a whole castle

He didn't make shit you stupid retard.
Castle Sol is an output of the Sun Realm, with the same mosaics found in Farum Azula, and is inhabited by Banished Knights that serve Miquella.
Those knights want to resurrect the Soulless bones of Ensha, a demigod of the Sun Realm, which is why the beast crest is depicted at the altar and a Banished Spirit spawns

Miquella wants Godwyn to die because it's an obstacle to the resurrection of Ensha, the King of Stormveil during the Sun Realm whose bones are now soulless.

Ok

I wonder how

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She's very obviously the GEQ
She's even missing the eye (You) are given when looking for deathroot, only to have it back after you burn the tree with frenzy.
Anyways we should've gotten a secret Melina boss fight in SotE if you did the frenzy ending but god forbid the hacks at Fromsoft do anything cool that connects the DLC to the base game.

She's very obviously the GEQ

Nope

Well now, if you were to tell me that the GEQ was the humanoid that contained the serpent god, and that was split into Melina and Eiglay, i could start believing you.

It wasn't split into shit. The Gloan Eyed Queen was killed
Melina is a kindling maiden and seals shadow within her because Death channels power in Elden Ring. The process of kindling is depicted in the Roundtable Hold with ancient priests forming a Death Rite Spear growing into Crucibles. Similarly Melina uses runes as power

it's just a trailer park story, marika it's the dumb bitch with a billion of children, those children are born dumb because marika is white trash, and some kids even die for negligence by the mother (also divorced and cucked)
Sad!

What kind of schizo ESL mess that I stepped into? Lorefaggotry is a meme in these games after dlcs turned out to be complete jokes after BB.

What kind of schizo ESL mess that I stepped into?

Irony.

known schizo. ask him about his batshit "caelid was a ritual" theory.

So it's literally just the DS3 firekeeper again?

this is the Gloam Eyed Queen. all the spiral weapons are made from the body, literally the DNA, of some person or creature ("a blade said to have been born of a corpse"). the sacred relic sword is radagon, the fingerslayer is the lord of night and the GEQ is the godslayer greatsword. the black flame is still channeled through her body

You should be making love to the ds3 Fire keeper right now instead of complaining

Yes

this is the Gloam Eyed Queen. all the spiral weapons are made from the body,

Not true at all

the sacred relic sword is radagon

Its the Elden Beast, and both the Sacred Relic Sword and the Fingerslayer look nothing like the Godslayer