Something that this game's ending and the discussion around it have clarified to me is how drastically dysfunctional...

Something that this game's ending and the discussion around it have clarified to me is how drastically dysfunctional our relationships to media have become.
What I mean is that the purpose of a story from the perspective of the one engaging with said story is to process what happens in it, internalize what you think matters, and then move on, taking what you experienced for use in your everyday life.
However, we live in an age of mass media in which the capability to drown oneself in a fictional world, from background lore to fanfiction, is easy and common.
This capability to drown had led to a level of resentment and disgust at the idea of a story telling you to move on. Not that your feelings are not worthy or that the story doesn't matter, but that at the end of the day, you need to move on.

Obviously, from a creator's side of things, that's a different relationship that is more based around the joy of creation and the sharing of said creation, but that's an entirely different kind of engagement.

Something that this game's ending and the discussion around it have clarified to me is how drastically dysfunctional our relationships to media have become.

People are genuinely afraid and angry at functional relationships. Any example of normal loving families in the past ~15 years has been universally panned by audiences.

The final boss is just a father trying to beat her deadbeat daughter with a belt.

overthinkers who will doom the world in the future. You are imbecilic, idealistic and living in a fantasy of being outraged over people who were already killed and could be brought back like it's nothing. See things for how they are, not what you want them to be. The fucking game drills that into your head at the end. There are so many positives to consider with the Verso ending, and a powerful message that pairs with the mystical nature of the power the Painters wield, yet so many people here and other media outlets are hung up on the sentience argument over people whose lives they don't value beyond the fact that it made them sad that they were dealt a shit hand.

Honestly a big issue I see constantly is people discounting the massive family wealth and power alongside Painter Magic Alicia has access to, even in a scarred body.
To me its an obvious tell that they self insert into Alicia way to hard because of their own lived experiences, and cannot comprehend anything different.

And then there is the part where she could just make another canvas. It won't have Verso's soul, obviously. Everyone, even Verso, say this to her.

The ideal ending for Alicia is learning to paint her own canvas. She might even rebuild Lumiere and yes it will be different but it's her best way to learn to cope and move on.

Or, hear me out, write

Dont you get it? She doesnt want to actually do the work. She just wants to enjoy a painted world and is perfectly fine letting the last remnants of her actual dead brother be enslaved into actually making chroma work, all while she controls a fake version of him that she forces to pretend to like her.

LE MOVE ON

I'm gonna skin your family alive in front of you and then put a gun in your hand and ask you to move on instead of killing me, fucking faggot.

over people who were already killed

Yeah so we should reward the one who killed them amirite? You fucking Versofags are the most braindead and insufferable animals I've met in my life.

Anon she is literally actively not killing the people who actually killed her family, either irl or in painting 1.0, and is choosing instead to play pretend in a newer faker world on a second inception layer in painting 2.0 where she can build new dolls that look like dead people.

Versocucks completely ignore the fact that Alicia lived alongside the painted people for the same period of time she lived outside the Canvas. They are too fucking braindead to grasp that concept. They can't even apply it to themselves, they straight up shortcircuit when asked what they would do if the whole life they have lived up to now and all the people they have grown to care for were killed by some old bastard who them told them "let's go home lol".

Anon she is literally actively not killing the people

If Alicia dies in the painting, Renoir, the faggot who killed fucking everyone, suffers another loss in his family. After a dead son and daughter I'll like to see that faggot """""move on"""""". I think he will move on to putting a rope on his neck. It's the good ending.

alternately she can just leave the painting for like 10 minutes and grab a gun and kill her father and then the writers

Buddy I'm talking about people getting to emotionally attached to the media they consume for its own sake instead of using it in a healthy manner.
I want you to look at pic rel and tell me that's a healthy way to live.

Its really unfortunate that there is no one else who experienced having their soul trapped in the canvas as a child and then spent their entire life inside a painting. if only some character could relate to this completely unique experience that only maelle had.

And its pure ludo kino

Or

he comes back

she's dying and insane

takes her out

leaves the canvas

burns it

sends her to an asylum

That's not a bad choice actually, the problem is that fucking Verso the double agent is inside the Canvas and he will fucking nuke everything if left alone. So after she takes revenge she's stuck with TWO dead families.

The guy would want everything destroyed regardless. Even before Alicia got her memories back he intentionally didn't let the party know about the Paintress or give Maelle Painted Alicia's letter because he wanted everything to be destroyed.

Nah but wishing malicious death upon fictional characters and fantasizing about their painful existences is petty and pathetic.

nigga, they alive.
this ain't a game.

Clea couldn't get her own mother out the Canvas with Simon lmao. The E33 that vanquished Renoir and Aline were 4 people using the Lumina Converter. Now Alicia has the whole Lumiere + Lumina Converter maxxed.

Maellefags are so retarded they probably think Renoir should be put on trial and be jailed for mass murder in the real world.

And he relented and rejoined the party to fight alongside them see hope for things to get better.
Then he saw his mom rotting to death alongside Alicia lying to go down the same path, and became acutely aware of the conquenses.

Nah

So you agree I'm right then.

reminder that the reason everyone cares about clair obscure in particular is because it is a unique canvas that runs on the trapped souls of tortured children who run the physics system for you. no one wants to play on any other canvas because it lacks the deep interactions that come from the mechanical depth of the tortured-child engine.

because she refuses to step away from the game and come to dinner.

You forgot the part that her wife is also an addict and he can't stand of her being a walking corpse.

wallpaper and a couple hundred bucks worth of merch

how fucking broke are you?

It's the good ending.

Kek, move on anon.

Maellefag will always ignore this little detail and would prefer to abuse the very soul that Alicia "care" for. Renoir is right.

Irl if someone fucks you over then you can rightfully hold onto those feelings.
In regards to a fictional product putting that much emotional energy into spire and hate is just sad.

The whole point of the game that you didn't play is to tell you that Maelle is different from her family because she lived 16 years both inside and outside the painting. You skipped to Act III on youtube, didn't even watch the Act II ending and the letter.

Verso the double agent

The guy who only exists because she refused his repeated begging to let him go?
He absolutely wasn't going to do anything because he gommaged. Alicia then brought him back after he begged for death and for her to not bring him back the entire time he bled out.

Not even the party members buy the shit he's selling anon. He was never being honest about his intentions. He always wanted everything to be destroyed, him seeing Aline was just the cherry on top

Then why did he not just stay behind or actively try and help Renoir. Why would he help Alicia revive Sciel and Lune?

Okay? Her mother and father were in there even longer

Irl if someone fucks you over then you can rightfully hold onto those feelings

Literally Maelle then since Renoir pretty much killed her "irl" family that she lived with for 16 years lmao.

He always wanted everything to be destroyed

Seems like he could've made that happen by not helping to defeat Renoir.

During Maelle's ending a hollow sounding rendition of Lumiere plays in the background and when the credits roll, the track [Maelle] plays. In Verso's ending, we get the hopeful Aux lendemains non écrits and the credits theme that plays is "A Life to Dream". Checkmate, Maellefags.

The guy who only exists because she refused his repeated begging to let him go?

He deserves hell for his genocide.

because he gommaged

And the faggot brought everyone alongside him.

im unhappy

the whole world should burn

so that I can be happy

but I should not have to suffer

so that you and many others can be happy

Such brazen narcissistic hypocrisy is hilarious to see touted as some profound perspective. And its even masquerading as some sanctimonious righteous nonsense to justify itself.

Comedy gold

But (you) are not Alicia, you are a guy who played a video game.
You see what I'm getting at anon.

Maelle

Alicia is not Maelle.
Alicia doesn't even remotely give as much of a shit about Lumiere as you think.
Verso told her he watched Gustave die and she's still

please don't go you are staying with me forever

Why doesn't Renoir move on and let her daughter and wife in peace then? They clearly want nothing to do with him.

It's the good ending.

It's also someone's personal hell

Okay pal, I think I'm gonna move on now.

Reductive as fuck.

Verso was with Alicia because Verso is Alicia's brother and he want to owe them back. But during/after the battle with Renoir and seeing that his mother is suffering (he wasn't happy that the mother rejoin the fight), he saw that this is the path Alicia is going to take. He isn't having it it.

yes, just watch your wife and daughter od in peace

I can tell you have an amazing relationship with your family.

They didn't live alongside the painted people, as painted people. They lived as gods either coping or waging war. Maelle legit got a mind wipe and lived like any other painted.

Alicia is not Maelle.

LMAO you LITERALLY didn't play the game. Check how the game subs and the party selection screen names the character. Even in the ending it says fight for MAELLE.

Move on faggot, they don't like you, they don't want you close. Fuck off and move on, isn't that what you have been preaching so far?

Why would he be willing to have Sciel and Lune die in the first place if he actually cared about their well being? The guy just flip flops. He goes along with Maelle in the moment, but there's never an indication that his stance on his existence or the fate of the canvas changes

maelle and aline

in piece

okay slugger

she lived like any other painted

that is true, which just makes her feel the need to fill the void even more, probably being even more prone to addiction than her mom

So how the game frames stuff is important now regardless of what you think?
So Maelle's ending is the shit ending due to the black and white and jumpscare.
Great.

So, real Verso died when he was a young boy?

I'm saying Alicia is correct in saying fuck you to her dad's wishes for the reasons already explained.

The guy just flip flops

Its more accurate to say that he is immensely conflicted and deliberating the entire time until the ending pushes him in one direction.

Verso was with Alicia because

cleo painted over him in monolith year 49 to watch over alicia

The addiction comes from grief over the loss of Verso. It's not only Alicia's fault that he's dead, everyone told her. She's absolutely more susceptible to addiction. She's in the grip of it by the time of her ending.

years later, Lumiere looks exactly the same

Yeah she's totally a skilled enough painter that everyone there is real and has their own mind.

Verso died as a man. He left a piece of his soul when he was playing in the canvas as a kid. Aline use that soul and her memory to make Paint Verso.

Real Verso died when he was 26
He painted the canvas when he was a young boy, so the canvas is almost like a snapshot of his soul when he was a kid

for the reasons already explained.

Being a stupid teenager who can't cope with her brother's dead is not a reason.

muh addiction

You still can't answer btw

But not wrong, verso is the equivalent of bike cuck. Only instead of letting his bike get stolen to make a single individual happy, he's delusional enough to nuke an entire plane of existence to make only himself happy. The cherry on top? He isn't real so much like all the existences he wants to erase he himself and by extent feelings, do not matter.

No, he just painted the canvas (and put part of his soul in it) when he was a young boy. Before he got the balls to give up painting because he never really wanted to do it and move onto piano. Totally chill to force him to continue though

This game getting popular makes me lose hope in humanity. It's fucking over

real verso died at age 26, the soul fragment in the painting is of a much younger verso when he played in the canvas as a child.

I think the ending where her brother figure incites suicide is worse actually.

everything painted over shows clear signs

except Verso

I have been arguing this entire time in response to If your not the same anon then sorry but we are arguing two different points.

What is the question? Yeah shes different and its tragic, still better than her dying in a month though

incites suicide

The part where he bids farewell like everyone else? That part?
After she's shown smiling at her """"awful"""" sister?
While a song called "to the tomorrows not yet written" plays?

Being a shit dad whose daughter and wife want nothing to do with isn't a reason for genocide either, but you don't seem to care about that lol.

Thanks, I was a bit confused about that!

NTA but im a versochad and he is definitely beckoning, not waving goodbye

Aeris's body is pretty bangin' by default, I don't get the cartoonish proportions.

The more of these threads that pop up to debate the ending the more I start to realize that everyone in this story is an asshole and I'm pissed anyone defends their actions
This goes for Maelle AND Verso btw

Apply it to yourself. Your current world, I kill everyone you love, tell you let's go home. Would you love that? If you say you would you literally confirm you have a disfunctional family btw. So think your answer very throughly.

he bids farewell

That is not a fucking goodbye wave LMAO VERSOKEKS DON'T EVEN WANT TO USE THEIR OWN EYES TO AVOID THE FACTS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

People legitimately arguing which ending is "good"
They're both chiaroscuro bros, Maelle will be distracted in the painting until she withers away, or in the real life she'll either learn to live or kill herself. The only brainlet take is pretending that one ending is purely good.

genocide

maelle literally revives them

i saved it for the pantyhose

everyone

why does everyone in this game have teenager proportions

We arent arguing about purely good we're arguing about whats less bad

total p*inter death including painted versions of painters, writers did nothing wrong, gas the p*inters art war now

can't even repair lumiere

she can totally bring the people back though

That is only looking at things from Maelle's perspective. The thing is, Maelle's ending ensure the survival of a universe, for a while longer at least.

In her ending only. Alicia goes to talk with her dad with the intention of getting him to help restore Lumiere but he decides to be an ass instead. In the Verso ending they are all dead even the Gestrals now.

You keep saying this and no one agrees dude.

media illiterate newcaca thread

By design that's purely up to interpretation. Too much is intentionally left vague. You can argue why (You) feel a certain way but the point of good art is to be open to interpretation. If you want to teach a lesson, write an essay. If you want to help people think their own thoughts, write a novel (or in this case a vidya).

Because teenagers are hot

if you go home they don't die and you don't die either

you can even come visit them whenever you want

NO!

That's her argument btw

In the Verso ending

stop coping, this doesnt happen. if you dont want them to have died maelle revives them and they arent dead. they are real living beings and they cant die because maelle is able to make new ones.

back to your spyware website

including painted versions of painters

Painted Alicia and Clea did nothing wrong.

It's intentionally vague to what extent she can actually bring the people of Lumiere back. If your experience with the story led you to believe she can, then you're absolutely right and it's a valid argument that the sustaining of Lumiere for however long she can keep it going is worth her own eventual destruction. But, even though he was a lying faggot, it's pretty hypocritical of her to force Verso to exist against his will.

no one

Nah just you lmao. You are coping about being everyone as well now. This is sad. Take your own advice and move on. You lost.

people don't like having their time wasted on long stories that fall apart into nothing at the end.

Maelle being able to hypotherically recreate the gestrals doesn't change the fact that the ones in Verso's canvas all died

Painted Alicia and painted Clea existed to suffer, anon. Theirs would be mercy killings.
Not only do people simply not wave goodbye like that, but it'd be a baffling choice to make Gustave's wave so distinctly different for no reason. It's simply there to create ambiguity and allow you to draw your own conclusions, but it is decidedly different from the others.

media illiterate newcaca thread.

Parry the slop, be the champ of dodge expedition caca 33

it's pretty hypocritical of her to force Verso to exist against his will.

it isnt, because verso doesnt have a will. he is their toy and he lives because aline and then alicia want to have a verso. if they wanted to live in a world where verso made his own decisions they could touch grass.

it was all meaningless!

okay verso

But, even though he was a lying faggot, it's pretty hypocritical of her to force Verso to exist against his will.

I disagree with this. When I talk about the people of Lumiere I apply them to our world. If someone, by lying to us, got us all killed, I don't believe they deserve to just get to rest easy in the afterlife. That piece of shit needs to pay.

It's all a dream all along

okay

Why do retards keep saying this

but actually it wasn't cause everything happened in reality, it's just we are playing as the God of said pocket dimension

It's not hypocritical for (You) to punish Verso because you hate him for being a lying faggot, but it IS hypocritical for Al*cia to do. Or, at best, delusional.

rest easy

Oblivion is not a reward, he wouldn't be enjoying anything in nonexistence. You can argue that he deserves his punishment for being such a cunt, but Al*cia is doing it because she's convinced it's a benevolent act, and that's delusional.

because despite what people in these threads might lead you to believe, acts 1 and 2 happened in the game.

They say it to generously inform others to disregard their opinion instantly, same as Sims/ChatGPT/NPC

but Al*cia is doing it because she's convinced it's a benevolent act, and that's delusional.

That's 100% correct. With that I can agree. I wonder if Gustave thinks the same though (if he was even told about the whole shit that happened after his death).

Shame the game forgot about them during act 3

The reason act 3 works is because of 1 and 2

It's open to interpretation whether Al*cia is skilled enough to have brought back more than a Gustave puppet. While he's willing to go to great lengths to protect those he loves and expresses hatred of those who threaten what he holds dear, I just don't think he'd delight in the torment of a broken man.
People in dreams don't have their own thoughts and feelings.

if that person is happy, then what the fuck is the problem and why do you care? if someone is happy watching only barbie girl or staring at a brick for 12 hours a day in their free time, why the fuck do you care? people should choose how they live for themselves without worrying about others' opinions. the only thing that matters is not regretting the decision and being happy. you want to impose maelle on what you think is normal and good for her, not what she wants or what makes her happy. you're just a normalfagg who wants everyone to do what you think is normal because someone being happy in their own way makes you uncomfortable.

However, we live in an age of mass media in which the capability to drown oneself in a fictional world, from background lore to fanfiction, is easy and common.

You cohabitate a board where some anons genuinely think people who run around with female avatars are trannies in waiting because the notion that not everyone self inserts is foreign to them.
This is the world we live in.

Well said, VersoChad.

I just don't think he'd delight in the torment of a broken man.

I don't think Gustave would either, but I doubt anyone but Alicia really knows what Verso is going through. Gustave never even met Verso so he certainly wouldn't know how verso wants to die unless he actually got close to him

It wasn't a dream, it was a world as real as ours. I mean fuck, our world is just a dream as well. Imagine if whoever created our world descended down and said "sorry, gonna have to delete you all, got some family drama to deal with". You probably wouldn't just accept it right?

An extreme example: If you were told you were going to be tied down and fed a steady supply of narcotics such that you experienced consistent euphoria until you eventually died, would you agree to the scenario or decline? Is there perhaps more nuance than "nothing matters except if a person is currently experiencing a neurochemical high"?

In the end, Verso seemed pretty open about desperately not wanting to exist. So it seems like he'd either not lie about that, or Al*cia would have to paint him such that he couldn't express his emotions. Benevolently, of course :^)

unless he actually got close to him

It seems unlikely that Gustave doesn't spend a lot of time with Al*cia and that Al*cia doesn't spend a lot of time with Verso.

Bringing back Gustave would have the same effect as the Gestrals?

The way gestrals revive is likely meant to further encourage you to wonder whether or not the people Al*cia revives will be the same.

That is one of the worst, most irresponsible takes ever written, congrats.
Never, ever have a family.

it’s not a literal drug, idiot. what clea said is like saying using computer too much is a drug, and yet here we are.

I don't think we know one way or the other since they never really explain how Gestral reincarnating works
It's a good point though since it might be the same method

It's not the same and Clea is omitting the info that the beings they are making inside the paintings are real. It's not as simple as that a drug induced dream.

Yeah, as he should

gets huffy because he didn't get an expedition bandana

gives away a secret stash of booze

denies a womans wish for death

doesn't fight in your party even though he's literally the strongest being in the painting according to Monoco, forcing the whole party to struggle every step of the way until they unlock painter power

Yeah he's an asshole too.

All dependencies are functionally the same, the difference is the extent to which that dependency tends to inhibit a person's ability to function normally. People are obviously not as effected by frequent computer use as they are by frequent heroin use, but plenty of people waste their lives away in front of computers all the same. Having said that, we saw the effects of the canvas on Aline. One of the non ambiguous things about this story is how destructive the canvas is to the family members stuck in grief over Verso's death.

It's not the same

Oh ho ho, anyways I didn't say anything about a drug induced dream, I simply was implying that there are healthy sources of mental stimulation and fulfillment, and destructive ones. I fully believe the Lumierens were real people, but Al*cia wasn't there for Lumierens, she was there to pretend she still had Verso, to live in a world where he wasn't dead as a result of her actions. That's delusion. You can quite literally see it on her face.

He's Verso's teddy bear and not meant to fight. The Gestrals are action figures.

all a dream

the world still exists even when people are outside of it

also, this “ok” made you sound like a woman, faggot

I just finished this game and i'm genuinely baffled by how bad the story was. I was expecting it to be something controversial, something that might not please everyone based on what i was reading on the internet, but it turns out its just bad. For 90% of the narrative its just mystery bullshit where you have absolutely no clue as to what the fuck is going on, and the only appeal is that you want to understand something. And then it just dumps everything on you in the final stretch and its some half-assed family squabble with the painfully tired controlling parent trope. Its not even interesting, its boring, pointless bullshit that strings you along with the hopes that it might get interesting, but it doesn't. I'm going to have to assume everyone who is praising the narrative as something "top-tier" has probably only ever interfaced with marvel movies and AAA games before, and also probably never read a book.

and Clea is omitting the info that the beings they are making inside the paintings are real.

Clea isn't omitting that she just doesn't agree with that and doesn't believe that paintings are real

that the beings they are making inside the paintings are real

Says who? A fragment of a person's soul, not even the person himself? That's not the least bit biased at all.

They didn't live alongside the painted people, as painted people.

Painted Verso and Painted Renoir lived along Real Aline in Lumiere before the Fracture. Aline has done this leaving inside the canvas along painted people for longer than Alicia.
Mind you, this is only talking about THIS canvas. Renoir has lost himself into other canvas worlds and had Aline rescue him from these.
Probably he didn't had his mind wiped and experienced the canvas world from birth, but he still came out of the experience agreeing with his wife that you should not lose yourself in the canvas.

He exists as child Verso's mind created him - a gentle being capable of anything. Only Monoco, a being that exists almost solely for combat, described that ineffable ability as "strong." If he's going to knock down a giant nevron, it's going to look like a superhero flying through a monster. Esquie has no place in gritty, desperate combat, and so he cannot be involved in it.

action figures.

They're these with paintbrushes as hair.

>I was expecting it to be something controversial, something that might not please everyone based on what i was reading on the internet

actively breaks his videogame immersion via browsing Anon Babble

wonders why the videogame story didnt pack a punch

retard-alert

For 90% of the narrative its just mystery bullshit where you have absolutely no clue as to what the fuck is going on

You might be retarded, you figure out nearly everything halfway through act II. Unless you're just exaggerating because you're a histrionic faggot, that is.

but Al*cia wasn't there for Lumierens,

I don't give a fuck what Alicia is there for, this isn't about Alicia. The future of Lumiere is more important than any individual life. When one falls, we continue.

if that person is happy, then what the fuck is the problem

reminder that the VR headset used for aline's and then alicia's escapism runs on the tortured soul of a dead child

And Versocucks deliberately ignore the fact that she is most likely going to addict herself to another canvas, because she doesn't want to live a life as a cripple and that has fuck all to do with Verso.

also probably never read a book.

No one's pretending the plot points have never been done before. A video game is an experience of story, visuals, music, and the acting of the voice actors. The story was enough for those other elements to deliver a well-executed experience. Of course books are going to have better stories, all a book HAS is story.

Painted Verso and Painted Renoir lived along Real Aline in Lumiere before the Fracture.

They lived as gods either coping or waging war.

Only Alicia knows the true mortal experience.

They're Verso's actions figures though and thats why they're so obsessed with fighting each other.

you have absolutely no clue as to what the fuck is going on

Why would you out yourself as a retard?

And/or have family issues they project onto Renoir or Aline and self-insert too much as Alicia

If you feel that Al*cia is a skilled enough painter to actually bring those people back as more than dolls, then you know what? You're absolutely right to feel that way because the game is ambiguous enough that it's not an unreasonable belief, and I think you made the right choice considering how you felt about what you saw, and I'm glad you enjoyed the game. Faggot.

If he's going to knock down a giant nevron, it's going to look like a superhero

Esquie has no place in gritty, desperate combat, and so he cannot be involved in it.

He can just superhero landing a crater where the enemies are standing and turn them to mulch or send them flying team rocket style.
He can even do the dumbass superhero landing pose if he wants.
For a game about painted worlds you sure are lacking in imagination.

Nothing indicates that Aline lived in Lumiere before the Fracture as a goddess. It took Clea after the fracture telling painted Verso and painted Renoir Aline was the Goddess of the world.

i was expecting a book style midwit subversion deconstruction garbage with pseudo high school philosophy, and all i got was just some generic jrpg story with family twist. fuck this shit

here is my (You)

She might. She might not. In this canvas, she definitely will.
Verso was a skilled artist even as a child, anon. Mixing genres like that doesn't make good art.

the forgot half of a videogame story: the gameplay/player actions

Esquie is just barney to the kid and there wasn't anything that is going to attack kid Verso. The world was PG 13 at the time. The nevrons came in way later.

he says of a painting where you have a realism replica of paris slathered on top of an abstract fantasy world and people who argue for maelle's ending insists that lumiere should stay on that canvas

Shit's already fucked, let him fight.

The game doesn't happen without (You) taking actions, anon. If you're talking about player impact on the plot, many classic JRPGs don't even have two endings for you to pick from. Your problem is that Lumiere was doomed from the start, and that's sad. You're right, it's sad. Those people lived real lives and their futures are being stolen because they always existed at the whims of painters. That sucks. That doesn't make the game bad.

Are you suggesting she painted over herself? Because the life as mortal in my eyes includes that paint over, Maelle got a mind wipe, it's a whole different perspective than entering while having your memories of your life intact. Maelle's connection is deeper than Aline's copium, Maelle's connection to Gustave, Emma and the orphans is as real as the one you currently have for your own family.

he says of a painting where you have a realism replica of paris slathered on top of an abstract fantasy world

Lumiere was Aline's addition to the canvas. Esquie behaves as Verso painted him to behave.

The nevrons came in way later.

The nevrons came along with Verso taking Clea on adventures, back when Maelle was too much of a bookworm to partake. It's the chroma corrupting aspect of Nevrons that came in later.

you missed the point of my post. half of a videogame story is the literal gameplay. no matter how simple the gameplay is, its all abstracted. thats where the ludo comes from in ludonarrative

Is there any proof that Clea created nevrons before the fracture? Everyone in old Lumiere (after the fracture) talked about them like they'd never seen them before, and I thought Clea said she created them to tip the scales in Renoir's favor.
The game has gameplay and none of it is invalidated by the story, anon.

Let me guess, You also think the non involvment of Verso when Gustave death is also Verso fault?

Clea is omitting the info that the beings they are making inside the paintings are real

she doesn't consider them real
she's kind of sociopathic in that way

If my kid was in the street and I watched a car barreling toward him with plenty of time to pull him out of the way and my wife held me at least partly responsible for his death she'd be right.

The game has gameplay and none of it is invalidated by the story, anon.

agreed. i wanted to be autistic and point it out, because e33 does it very well

Is there any proof that Clea created nevrons before the fracture?

Clea's first few lines when you talk to her in the Infinite tower. Also, the established personalities of the white nevrons, like the lantern saying that he doesn't want to bring anyone darkness because his creator made him to share light. Or the troubador not wanting to hurt anyone with his music.
The nevrons were pretty much just another race in the portrait and whole "kill people from Lumiere to deprive Aline of chroma" came about from Aline and Renoir's fights because, as the game points out, Clea doesn't consider painted beings to be real people.

Oh sorry anon, I misinterpreted your post because I thought you were the anon I was replying to.

Are you suggesting she painted over herself?

I don't think the game mentions that as a possibility. But that would sort of make sense, no? If Aline was constantly aware of the fact that this Verso is not real and that her real son died in the fire thanks to Alicia, the experience of living inside the canvas instead of being comforting would feel like torture, no? Specially since she painted Painted Alicia in a way that constantly will remind herself (Aline) of the fact that Verso is dead.

I think the whole concept of losing oneself in the canvas implies at least some degree of losing grasp on which world is the real, outside world, and which one exists only inside the canvas. And if that is possible, it's not only Maelle that truly experience this, but anyone that loses themselves into canvasses, like Renoir. You can only lose yourself into the alternative world when the veil is not lifted and you're not reminded of another reality that seems like a higher existance, one to which the canvas worlds are subjected to.

>It's the good ending.

>It's also someone's personal hell

Yes.

Just how did you think hell was supposed to work you imbecile? In order for the just to triumph evil must face defeat. There's no way that a serial child rapist and killer is just waking up nest to Jesus and getting a hug and pat on the back with a "It must have been hard." and consoled by Jesus.

She's kinda right

Clea's first few lines when you talk to her in the Infinite tower.

I'm not sure where to look them up, can you cite them? I'm not saying you're lying, I just don't remember them

the white nevrons

Even if she created them after the fracture, that's 67 years worth of time. A few flawed ones could've slipped out even right from the beginning. My interpretation was that Clea didn't stick around for long (she kept saying she tried to be as uninvolved as possible), and it seems like she left most of the nevron production up to her painted self, made the white Noir to hunt down any fuckups, and then fucked off. Why did the journal in Old Lumiere imply that they'd never seen nevrons before if they existed before the fracture?

Nevrons is specifically created to kill expeditioners after Clea got tired of doing the dirty work. Its no small surprise that some turns non-hostile because they're waiting for Clea to combat.

The Dessandres would have it a lot easier if they saw the paintings as jumping into an alternate universe but having set time limit in which they can stay in the alternate universe without dying themselves. They can understand they are both real, but they simply lack the equipment to stay permanently in the alt universes.

by Christian theology, if he in his heart repents, yes it does. Hell isn't a place to punish sinners, only unrepentant sinners who deny Christ.

No. What you're supposed to get out of a story is enjoyment and entertainment, not some melodramatic bullshit. Your game's story doesn't offer any enjoyment or entertainment, it's a shit story.

There's no way that a serial child rapist and killer is just waking up nest to Jesus and getting a hug and pat on the back with a "It must have been hard." and consoled by Jesus.

did you, uhh, skip the bit with the cross

I don't think Clea even entered that painting, other than to play around with Verso as kids, before the fracture.

i didn't enjoy it

so no one did

all a book HAS is story.

Do you think a cuckold prancing around Dublin on June 16th 1904 for 700 pages makes for a good story?

Did you? If you don't accept Jesus you don't enter the kingdom of heaven

Those who have been born again through faith in Jesus will inherit eternal life in heaven, as promised by God. However, those who reject this belief or choose not to follow Jesus may not experience this rebirth and will face eternal separation from God.

NTA but he's denying maelle's wishes. he's choosing what he thinks is best, not what she wants. might as well say he's going against god itself.

She canonically did, she would have had to at least to update the nevrons even if as you suggest she created them before. But ignoring that, Verso tells us that actual Clea tried to recruit him after the expeditions began, and Aline didn't paint the fake family until after Verso's death as an adult, and we know Clea painted over Painted Clea. She definitely entered the canvas as an adult.

I personally felt like Renoir did nothing wrong. Nobody in the Canvas truly existed. It was a fake world, but to the denizens of the Canvas world; it was the real world. Nobody in the game was truly in the right, but Renoir was simply escaping from his problems and so was his wife, Aline. Verso's death was the catalyst for everything. I understand Maelle could have lived a better life inside the Canvas, but it was a false reality. She told Renoir she'd eventually comeback, but deep-down Renoir knew she wouldn't and still decided to let her stay in the Canvas because it's what she wanted. I think A Life to Love is the harder ending/choice to make, but it's the right one in the end. Maelle getting sent back to reality and being with her family felt right. The entire plot stems from one family simply mourning the death of their brother/son. They're a broken family who simply wanted to be reunited and move on, but they couldn't. I think keeping Maelle in the Canvas world is what SHE wanted, yes, but she essentially either had to give up her true family or stay in the Canvas and live for eternity with everyone else. I'm assuming that Maelle is equivalent to a God in the Canvas world since she is a Painter, so I would think she could just make everyone immortal. In the other ending of the game, we see that Lumiere has been rebuilt and Sciel's husband has been brought back to life alongside just about everyone else who died whether through the Gormage or through past Expeditions.

From Verso's perspective, I think he realized he didn't truly exist, and he truly wasn't Verso. He was having an identity/existential crisis. We do know that Verso says Maelle will eventually die in the Canvas, so clearly, she wouldn't live forever, but she'd live for a long time and be happy I suppose. You have to choose between her happiness in a false reality or forcing her to move on in the real world and accept Verso's death. It was a tough call, as both choices require a sacrifice.

the people in the painted world are real people with real emotions and killing them is just as bad

nevrons!? i just needed their chroma and lumina for, uhh, legal reasons.

How come when Maelle enters the painting she is reincarnated as an unborn child but when Clea enters the painting she's normal. How come Renoir and Aline are in the Curator forms (initially)
Why can't they all enter and be normal, like Renoir, post paintress

What you're supposed to get out of a story is enjoyment and entertainment, not some melodramatic bullshit.

I'm entertained and enjoy melodramatic bullshit tho.

No, bad books exist. What's your point? Mine was that a video game is more than its story. Many video games have barely existent stories and are still great. Other video games rely on story as much as visuals and gameplay, so the story has to at least be good enough that the others can deliver their part. Expedition 33's story satisfies that. It didn't need to be groundbreaking on its own.

NOOO PLEASE DON'T EAT THE HECKING ANIMALS, GO EAT THE HECKING PLANTS, STOP EATING MEAT

kill yourself vegan faggot

Seeing Verso, Monaco, and Esquie embrace each other as Monaco and Esquie both vanish

"I'm gonna miss you guys."

Shit was fucking heavy. It made me start crying. It's worse because of Monaco and Verso's relationship. They spent decades together, and same for Esquie as well. They essentially were their own family.

Fuck you, Anon Babble. People are allowed to feel emotions and be sad.

No

Filtered.

But ignoring that, Verso tells us that actual Clea tried to recruit him after the expeditions began

But the expeditions happen after the Fracture. That doesn't contradict what I've said. I've said she only entered that canvas (other than as kids with Verso) only after the fracture, to settle her parent's drama, in favour of her father.

We know she entered after the fracture with expedition 0, anon is saying she didnt enter between the period of versos death/aline entering and the fracture.

the answer is chroma. they dont explain the mechanics but we witness aline's chroma overwhelm alicia. chroma is also shown as being a property of the real world, similar to magic. the more chroma someone has, the more powerful

Aline painted over Al*cia. She wasn't skilled enough to paint over Renoir or Clea.

Any sane players would side with him. It would be really hard to argue against anything he said unless you're one of those escapist that had daddy problems.

A few flawed ones could've slipped out even right from the beginning.

This contradicts everything about Clea established by the game, where she's the most talented painter among the Dessendre's (or at least among the children).

Why did the journal in Old Lumiere imply that they'd never seen nevrons before if they existed before the fracture?

Because Aline made Lumiere (both the part that got tossed out into the ocean and the old bits) to be a make believe Paris where she's living happily with her family. To let Nevrons be something that wanders around to mingle with the commonfolk would break the immersion. Heck, they hardly even know that Gestrals and Esquie are real creatures, thinking them creatures of myth.

they are sentient fantasy creature just like half the adventuring party, anon. this isnt real life animals, youre eating my little pony characters for meat.

Maelle

Weak, overcome by Aline's power.

Aline and Renoir

They're in the fucked up state as a result of their feuding.

Clea

Strong paintress not involved in the conflict of the parents

the creates actually made by real Verso accept the end and aren't upset with painted Verso

The boy wanted out.

the game isn't even that melodramatic. only women would think and say that. most of the game is goofy as fuck outside the key serious moments.

Oh, sorry, I misread your post and thought you were the guy arguing Clea created Nevrons as a child. Man I should go to bed.

the more chroma someone has, the more powerful

You mean to tell me my nigga Gustave only needed a few more seasons in his RPG isekai anime to grind enough chroma to kill the Demiurge

they were created for the sole purpose of killing expeditioners. would you let someone rape and kill your GF because killing is le bad?

Dude my life sucks, I'd picking a fictional world anyday over it

No. The whole possession of the chroma thing only applies to the painters. That's why that anon specified Aline and Alicia, or why painted Verso wasn't making a bid to control all the chroma to punt everyone else out of the portrait himself.

So I understand almost everything but somehow the concept of what the hell lumina is, and what the lumina converter is what it does, is still lost on me. I thought it was also gustaves arm but they pull out a little box when talking about it but later on they also kind of refer to his arm? What the fuck is any of it

This contradicts everything about Clea established by the game

The flawed ones were probably a result of Painted Clea's enslaved mass production, except Blanche which real Clea probably made (or had Painted Clea make) to hunt down the other defects. Blanche would either have been white from the start as an artistic choice or perhaps lost its color over time. That may be what happened with the other flawed ones as well. It's vague.

Because Aline made Lumiere (both the part that got tossed out into the ocean and the old bits) to be a make believe Paris where she's living happily with her family.

And they existed for generations in the middle of the canvas without ever encountering a nevron? I guess you have a point since the gestrals say they used to be more widespread before the nevrons came. You may be right but I have my doubts. Wish I could find those first few lines of dialog in the endless tower.

idk if this is what that anon is referring to, but Clea essentially says that her and Verso used to do the Endless tower together themselves, and she brings up the Nevrons, so the implication seems to be that Clea has always created these sorts of monsters to play with

The Nevrons that could talk and weren't permanently hostile were "failures", so I wouldn't cry for the regular ones.

Wait who created canvas clea then? The real Clea?

Oh, yeah, that does make it seem like she made them for them to play with/battle as kids, but it seems like they were contained to the tower.

That very much was my takeaway from that, because what else can you construe "a game Verso and I used to play" in the endless tower to be?

basically the lumina converter is a 'natural' in-universe version of what painters do. its the equivalent of RPG magitech science that matches the power of the gods.

Aline, as a member of her family.
Clea then enters the canvas, is unhappy with Painted Clea, and pains over Clea into a zombie monster painter.

Aline created the entire painted family. Clea was offended by her painted self, and painted over it, turning it into an enslaved mass-producer of nevrons.

Aline created Painted Clea along with the rest of the family. Real Clea entered into the canvas, got really pissed off at her mom's painted version of herself, and turned her into a Nevron creating automato along with making her boyfriend into Frankenstein

Yeah I don't think the Nevrons were wandering the world but it does seem at least like Clea had made them and their designs before the Fracture and unleashed them later on

I didn't understand the point of the Lumina converter either. At some point it's dropped as a concept/tool and you quickly forget about it.

encounter nevron

nuke it turn 1

well it didnt talk fast enough so basically its their fault

Seems like that could be a stretch, it seems like it's just a way to imbue part of the power of a pictos into a person's body, without the need for the pictos to be physically etched onto them. There's no proof it's on the level of manipulating chroma, which is what painters do. But given enough time, maybe that too could have been mastered. We just don't know, since it's magic and the rules aren't told to us.

Painted Verso can survive in the liminal zone without dissolving because Aline gave him painter juice

Just walk out of the other end retard
Walk to the real world, you'll vanish there, your job is done

So when does the fracture happen. Is the fracture the real Verso's death? Or is it the moment Aline entered the canvas? Or did Renoir enter the canvas and the initial in-canvas fight between Renoir and Aline cause it, and in that moment Aline also was able to trap real Renoir?
Can real Renoir even leave the canvas or has he been stuck in there?
Do Aline and Renoir ever leave the canvas in the 100 in canvas years they're there? Or are they standing in front of that thing for days

Well we've gotten pretty far from the post that started this whole conversation but I guess it's not clear how long Verso worked on/played in the canvas before bringing Clea in. It could go either way whether Esquie was painted in before Clea invented nevrons, but given that he's based on a stuffed toy it seems like it was probably one of his first creations in the canvas.

So I understand almost everything but somehow the concept of what the hell lumina is, and what the lumina converter is what it does, is still lost on me.

So, they have pictos, which are patterns they can doodle to gain abilities they otherwise wouldn't have, but there's limited space where people can put those pictos. The conversation Gustave has at the docks say that people normally doodle these pictos on equipment, with the guy he's talking to thinking that the ones who draw pictos on their body are absurd.
What the lumina converter does is take these pictos and converts them into lumina, allowing you to override that limitation of where you can paint things to gain abilities.
It's literally why the tab for passive abilities is the lumina tab and why the resource for that shit is lumina points.

The fracture happened when Renoir tried to drag Aline out.

He wanted his entire family out of the canvas, including Al*cia. Including what was left of actual Verso.
The fracture happens when Renoir enters and tries to destroy the continent. Aline stops him, but not fully - the continent is shattered but not erased. Lumiere is split in half, and as soon as they get their shit together, expedition 00 sets out to look for survivors and try to figure out what the fuck happened.

Can real Renoir even leave the canvas or has he been stuck in there?

It seems like they trapped each other at the top and bottom of the monolith. They can project themselves to some extent around the canvas, but Aline probably can't leave because it takes everything she has to stop the big gommage, and Renoir won't leave without Aline.

Do Aline and Renoir ever leave the canvas in the 100 in canvas years they're there? Or are they standing in front of that thing for days

No, Renoir enters, they fight, and he stays in the monolith for 67 years until the game happens.

and being with her family felt right.

She's no longer with her family as seen in the final shot. They abandoned her. They dragged her out only to leave her alone.

It's just plot lip-service to the gameplay mechanic. Like the writers, you're not meant to think about it.

Or did Renoir enter the canvas and the initial in-canvas fight between Renoir and Aline cause it, and in that moment Aline also was able to trap real Renoir?

This is the fracture, yeah. When Renoir goes into the canvas to try to snap Aline out of it after she's been living in it as a way to grieve over her dead son, and they have a fight, and Aline becomes trapped up the Monolith, and Renoir in the bottom, and become these faceless versions of themselves.

Can real Renoir even leave the canvas or has he been stuck in there?

He's been stuck, there's a scene he shouts complaining he's been there for 67 years (in-canvas time, real time not specified).

Do Aline and Renoir ever leave the canvas in the 100 in canvas years they're there? Or are they standing in front of that thing for days

They don't leave no, they've been there for a while, but again we do not know how time passes. It's certaintly not the same, but Renoir has been for 67 years (since Fracture/Expedition 0), Aline for longer.

There's no portal to the real world though, just a seemingly one way portal from. We see this when Aline re-enters for the final Renoir fight where she dives in through a portal, but Renoir and Alicia (if you pick the Verso ending) both have a gray petal gommage as an exit out.

It's okay, anon. You'll grow up at some point.

nigger they just went back inside the house

Nice cope.

but I guess it's not clear how long Verso worked on/played in the canvas before bringing Clea in

Clea is the oldest child and Verso's older sister. So there's no clear timeline because she was probably there from the start along with Verso and they played inside together. For example François is Clea's creation and presumably she created him as a kid (although obviously she wasn't attached to him as much as Verso was attached to Esquie)

Esquie was 100% there before Nevrons, he was probably made when Verso and Clea were little kids along with François
Nevrons only came later on. For what it's worth, after you defeat Sprong, Verso says that was one of her first creations, so of all the Nevrons, Sprong was one of the first.

yeah, there’s absolutely no change if you choose the verso ending besides being a genocider. clea still fucks off to fight writers, reinor and aline go on some trip to clear their minds or whatever, and alicia stays home all day again until she kills herself. the family is already broken, there’s nothing left to fix.
Maelle is the good ending

They abandoned her.

Bro they literally walked inside their manor...

Man, I forgot about that line. I beat Sprong before the axons and just assumed he meant Aline. But that gives a lot more meaning to the few places in the continent where you see partial Sprongs littering the scenery. God this game was great.

so she got hooked on crack for 16 years because she couldn't properly transfer into the canvas
boo fucking hoo
she'll get over it, people in real world get over bigger traumas
and 16 canvas years is nothing. Her mother probably spent canvas centuries in others before the game takes place
and it's probable within the games' world that Alicia's/Clea's fuckup isn't the first time a painter accidentally got born into a fake society and had lived a fake childhood.
there's no way anybody past the age of 24 at least mentally supports Alicia living as Maelle with AI-powered bodypillows which is what people of Lumiere' amount to

alicia stays home all day again until she kills herself.

Alicia stays home as I plap her into pregnancy during their parent's cavation

besides being a genocider

of the two humans left alive?

alicia stays home all day again until she kills herself.

If that's how you feel.

Maelle

You know it's Alicia.

that's a child

AI

two humans left

you didn’t understand the game. play it again without skipping the cutscenes.

She has childbearing hips

The endless Maelle vs Verso conundrum is boring af, can we share cool trivia instead? I'll start

one of Gustave's names during the development was Noah, hence the Noahram weapon he starts with

his other known names are Frey and Lucien

is the basedjak wrong?

Which other humans are being "genocided" by Verso's ending? Lune and Sciel are all that's left. The rest are dead. Gestrals and Grandis are just cute retards, childhood dolls. Monoco would be the only tragedy.

two humans left

Renoir gommages everyone at the end of act II. Even the two humans left had to be remade.
There is nobody else left.

Everyone was simping for Maelle until they saw Clea
kek

They literally walked back inside the manor. Maelle just decided to stay longer in front of the grave. You're reading WAY too into it, like them walking back into the manor before her was symbolic of them "abandoning" her. They all love Alicia and that's extremely obvious if you paid attention while playing the game.

Renoir loves her more than anything, and surprisingly, Clea seems to not really care for her parents, but she has a soft spot for Alicia.

Nevrons are Clea's creations added after the Fracture, created so that Chroma from Lumiere's citizens doesn't get back to Aline.
This is why Renoir waits on the shore to kill Expedition 33 - it's actually a race between him killing Expedition 33 and retaining Chroma for Aline, and the Dark Shores Nevrons created by Clea.
Expeditions were created as a bait to dwindle Paintress's Chroma - if people of Lumiere stay put, the fantasy land would continue, except if real Renoir came to Lumiere himself.
And he did, with Axons, and that's why Lumiere was thrown into the ocean for protection

their chroma are still recent, so she can bring them back like she did with Lune and Sciel. it’s a coma with an expiration date.

I don't know if you're ESL, but I had to read what you wrote 10 times, and I still didn't understand it. I felt like I was having a stroke.

Some of the more commonly known ones

Gustave/Verso's Confuso is based on the shikai from of Ichigo Kurosaki's Zangetsu, with the only difference between the two being that confuso has two diamond shaped holes

Maelle's Melarum is based on Rukia Kuchiki's Soden no Shirayuki

Clea and Lune toes in my mouth

AI-powered bodypillows which is what people of Lumiere' amount to

Painted people are not like AI slop, they're essentially real people with complete lives who live independently in their canvas universe. Completed canvases with people in it should be treated like an animal conservation project at the very least, and not deleted on a whim.

Also these are the only friends she's ever had.

It's up to interpretation if Al*cia is skilled enough to do that. If you think she is, you're absolutely right to feel the way you do.

Painted people are not like AI slop, they're essentially real people with complete lives who live independently in their canvas universe.

It depends.
Unless I misheard about what Clea said, Aline making actual sentient humans in a canvas was against Painter creed or rules or something.

Let's talk about how cute Maelle is.
Maelle is still the most attractive character i've seen in a western game.

Creatures*, not esl, just past my bedtime. Sleep tight anon

Esquie literally cannot feel negative emotions in earnest, he can only see the positive side of things and blindly support people because he is a plushie.
Monoco is literally drawn to be loyal and cannot go against his wishes even when he states he disapproves in camp conversations. Because he is a dog.

The boy does want out. Of the conflict, not the Canvas. Verso exploits that on purpose.
You would know this if you played the game.

Renoir said that she is a hidden star, and in the end even Verso acknowledges her skill. I think she has the potential to be even better than Aline.

Clea and François' battle themes have the same melody
If you start them both at the "wub wub" battle start sound you can even synch the two tracks together

youtu.be/0VbLG22k3U8?t=23
youtu.be/SergSlCfYug?t=33

why is everyone so dirty all the time
why is there not a single maelle showering scene
oh, it's a fre*ch game

she looks weird here, i made her more lore-accurate

This is why Renoir waits on the shore to kill Expedition 33 - it's actually a race between him killing Expedition 33 and retaining Chroma for Aline, and the Dark Shores Nevrons created by Clea.

Now that I think about it, that opening scene makes a lot less sense.
Painted Renoir is waiting on the shore, kills one dude. Then there's flames and catapults and shit being fired as if he and the Nevrons are one team. But they clearly are on antagonistic sides. Why isn't Renoir killing the nevrons along the Expeditioners? It would be a nice touch of confusion, and would make it all fit together later. Instead, it seems they're working together, and it's never touched upon again.

Also if the plan is to kill people from Lumiere before nevrons get their chroma, isn't it smarter to just kill them yourself in Lumiere instead of waiting for them to leave the dome (Renoir and Verso themselves helped build btw) and possibly fall on Renoir/Nevrons hands?

It's not coma. They are dead. She later brings people who were dead for a long ass time, too. Being recent has nothing to do with it.

it’s a coma with an expiration date.

Doesn't seem like it. Sciel's husband has been dead for years, not even from a gommage at that, and he's in the Maelle ending.

looks weird no matter what you do. Trans acceptance in games is the new frontier.

Maelle's Perceé looks like the Holy Knight skill in FFT

I grew up with two loving parents that are still happily married and I have a great relationship with them and my siblings in my 30s
people either don't believe me or look at me like I'm a unicorn, its strange, out of all my friends, I'm the only one that seems to have had happy parents

anything involving

why doesnt aline do something not retarded

is a question that answers itself. she does the retarded thing because she is aline.

it's basically a race between painted renoir and the nevrons to see who can deny/claim the most chroma

Renoir might have helped the expeditioners if they didn't land on the worst possible spot with level 70 nevrons

I don't remember Clea saying such a thing. The only thing I remember with Clea and Aline about painted people is that Clea finds Aline's painted family to be obscene and incompetent.

everyone who disagrees didn't play the game

You're right anon, even the writers don't understand the endings as well as you.

Guess what, FAGGOTS? I hit an insanely lucky hit on SIMON for 43,283,482 damage. I almost flooded my bed with coom when it happened. I sadly game on console, but if it had been on PC I'd have clipped it and rubbed it in your fat greasy faces.

43 MILLION DAMAGE! Just a bit more and I could have fully one shotted Simon. It felt incredible.

or look at me like I'm a unicorn

dont lie, they look at you like they just discovered you were the Thing

nah, the last time renoir helped an expedition they kidnapped alicia, and the time before that they kidnapped verso
he's kinda done with them at this point and has accepted his fate, hence why he tells them to just appreciate the time they have left

Sure, but do you think she'll develop her skill in this state? It's possible, I suppose.

Why would he even be waiting then there? Couldn't he influence them in any way so they don't land there? Couldn't he go to their boat and kill them on the boat before they arrive so they don't get killed by nevrons?

if that person is happy

I doubt someone who decorates their room with Randy from South Park is anything close to being happy
being THAT attached to a fictional character suggests something is wrong and needs addressing

PLAY THE PIANO BITCH

NTA but to be fair, Renoir DID give Expedition 33 a warning. He told them to just go back to Lumiere and enjoy the year they had left. He didn't even outright kill them, even though he could have. They ignored his warnings, and realized he was going to have to kill them eventually as they kept getting closer and closer to Aline.

Making oneshot builds and tinkering with the game mechanics is more fun than dodging and parrying.

They really ought to have capped the damage somehow, Painted Power fucks the game so hard.

NTA but to be fair, Renoir DID give Expedition 33 a warning

He straight up decapitated the expedition commander as his first act, not tell them "turn around, go home".

He killed my only Black friend...

The Nevrons did that. He was slain by an unthinking, murderous animal. Basically black on black crime.

why do people get so caught up in what the 'canon' ending is, doesn't that kinda defeat the point of multiple endings? the real ending should be the one you like the most

she actually attacked him first. he went to hug her at the start of act 3 and she threw a fit.

this makes the average normalfag uncomfortable and shit their pants

yup, you just confirmed that Maelle is the canon ending for me

Lucien was killed by a Blanche. The Expedition leader, Alan, was white.

Nah, he fired first on the beach, and only warned maelle in painted alicia's stopped time. He doesn't care to communicate with anyone that's not maelle or verso, because he's aware of how hard it is to communicate with them the issue, he tried multiple times.
It's unclear why he chose to spare the group until the lampmaster fight, but from that point on he just doesn't get involved for verso's sake until it becomes impossible not to.

How I wish Anon Babble had the option to show poster's age.

it's a Noire, actually. Blanche is the failed version.

The room of a Maellechad.

fuck off nigger
canvas is just preserving shard of Verso's soul because painter magic
hence, nothing else in there has a soul on games' terms. People of Lumiere think they are alive and feel projections of real emotions, ideas of what sadness/joy/anger are and whatever the fuck. Lune isn't a real person, Sciel isn't.
Whoever Maelle brought back from nothingness is just another doll in the dollhouse. That's why there's no emotional reunion with Gustave, the game hammers the point that this isn't anything tryumphant, prologue and 1st act played on your empathy to deliberately blueball your nigger ass who can't digest anything other than disney tier slop

Tons of people in the threads seem open to that idea, but you still get people like reddit spacing posts crying that you must not have played the game if you disagree with them.

You aren't real. Imagine if the creator of your universe came down and said "I got some family problems and I'm gonna have to erase you all".
You think that you can't create a virtual consciousness even more complex, intelligent, and alive than a human consciousness, you absolutely can. It would be just as alive as you, just trapped in a simulation.
Just like you are trapped in a simulation right now.

Because people love affirmation, and nothing affirms a person more than being right. The idea that you're "just as valid" doesn't make anyone as happy as "you're right". To that end even in situations where it's established that there's no wrong answer, all sides will scramble and fight for which one of them is the "most right".

Even the verso in the party is painted, the actual shard of verso's soul is the young boy eternally slaving away to make the chroma recycling system work

Who is claiming the chroma from the gommage? Clea says she built the nevrons to deny chroma from Aline, and Maelle says Renoir controls the chroma in the canvas.

Also the flower petals are red, which indicates Renoir chroma, but why wouldn't Aline claim it instead?

I just watched the other ending, and Maellefags are fucking insane. Verso literally didn't want to stay alive in a false reality. Maella brings him and everyone else back to life like nothing happened, and is now FORCED to live in a world/life he didn't ask for, nor want. Alicia/Maelle literally is just using him as a plaything. It makes her happy, but he clearly isn't happy at all. The Canvas is a living hell for him. Alicia/Malle knows this, and still brings him back and basically just makes him do whatever she wants.

She's clearly already gone mad/lost herself, but only Verso can see it. She surrounds herself with Gustave, Sophie, and everyone who died, but it's like nobody actually knows/accepts the truth. I imagine Maella/Alicia can just "unpaint" you if you go against her. They're all slaves in her world, but they don't know it.

Alicia is literally fucking insane, like straight up fucked up. Sending her back to reality and destroying the Canvas was the right move, and I feel SO much better about that choice after watching the other ending. Fuck you Maella/Alicia waifufag retards.

but this doesn't take into account that my interpretation of every detail IS most right

which you would know if you played the game.

the lack of reunion with gustave serves more to highlight the shift in alicia's/maelle's perspective on the painted world. During the third act, she shows very little ability to care about painted people, and only cares about the canvas because of what it does for her and what it represents to her. But the painted people are as real as one can be, they have self awareness and the ability to feel pain, joy and loss. Painters live part of their "souls" wherever they work a lot, but that's not really a concept that's explained or fully relevant, it's a floating signifier for "something significant". It's never said painted people lack it (in fact their ability to manipulate chroma, albeit limited, show that they have some potential for it), you just chose to focus on it for validation of your preconceived notions of what is "real" or not.

Reminds me of 3H endless discussion to be right

He did that, yes, but what I'm saying is he could have killed the remaining Expeditioners at any time, but he didn't. He showed mercy and gave them a warning, but they continued to press on.

t.

If you could grow old, would you find a reason to smile?

anon, i dont know how to tell you this. that isnt ever going to happen, because we are real. you can only imagine it. we are not trapped in a simulation. real life is not a video game. a video game is not a valid replacement for real life. stop playing vrchat and buy a bus pass and visit your parents and tell them to their face that you miss them and give them a hug.

Maelle ending is flawed but she could've just let Verso die and let Lumiere rebuild in peace instead of staying there for years on end.

keep playing it

She surrounds herself with yes men like Gustave that wimp.

He's just making an analogy to show that arguing against the validity of the existence of Lumierians is hypocritical and inconsistent.

i dont want to be right to be right, i want edelgard to be wrong because it makes her a more interesting character than if she is right.

Aline spent Chroma creating the Lumierens. After Clea's nevrons froze enough of that out of her reach, she was left slightly weaker than Renoir. Since he's now stronger, he claims the chroma from the gommage. He gets stronger every year, which is why she can protect fewer people. Eventually he'll be strong enough to drag her out.

I can grow old in reality, and not just in a fantasy world.

he's waiting there because they fucking leave Lumiere
if people would sit on their asses there wouldn't be need to kill them. But since they left their reservation, then painted Renoir needs to be faster than Nevrons
The smart move would be to live in Lumiere and run anti-expedition propaganda, but as you can see in some journals at some point Expeditions were used as a punishment and most of the times it's just hard to see gommage and painting the number happen and be like well, correlation doesn't mean causation
writers wanted a mystery with big reveals, so naturally there are huge fucking holes you need to ignore or skip over, just like you don't overanalyze meme journals like 60

Get a load of this guy.
We're not stuck in a simulation.
The simulation is stuck with us.

she could've

Apparently she couldn't have. Both endings could have been less sad if they were less sad, but they weren't.

Ummm I'll have you know that Gustave had 10000 BIG BRAIN IQ and everyone loved him, plus he was super strong hero of the Expedition.

but that's not what she wants, she wants verso

anons

Une vie à t'aimer or One winged angel?

I never was very big on one winged angel, but neither am I on une vie à t'aimer. Still, une vie à t'aimer has a nice chorus that works well for fights, so I guess it wins.

I think One Winged Angel is super overrated personally. People just like it because they like shouting SEPHIROTH, but nobody unironically listens to it as a song
so yeah Une vie a t'aimer for me

She surrounds herself with Gustave, Sophie, and everyone who died, but it's like nobody actually knows/accepts the truth.

she makes dolls that look like them. its not that they dont know who they are, its that they are blank puppets and the one person who actually thinks they are gustave/etc is alicia.

youtube.com/watch?v=Fxk9qwCFf8s

Nigga doesn’t have object permanence

I don't think I've spoken to a single person who liked Gustave. Maybe there's some people here in Anon Babble that like him, but other than that, all my friends hate him. They are also all still in act I and I can't spoil them he dies.

fucking kek

Dancing Mad is way cooler as a piece of music.

This. It was always about Verso in the end, and PAINTED VERSO doesn't want to exist, but Alicia/Maelle basically isn't giving him a choice. She's using him to comfort her as the real Verso is dead, and she blames herself for his death. She doesn't want to go back to reality because she believes she can't have any kind of life since her voice is fucked up and she is hideous looking. She chooses to stay in a false reality with a painted version of her brother to comfort her, despite knowing that PAINTED VERSO doesn't want to exist, Alicia/Maelle ignores what he wants and brings him back to life.

I couldn't help but feel sad for Verso, and I have no sympathy for Maelle. Verso literally tells Alicia/Maelle "I don't want this life." and he says it over and over as he's fading away with distress in his voice. He knew that she would bring him back to life, and that's why he BEGGED her not to do it, because he didn't want to come back.

Okay verso, sit back down it's time to play.

The plot is just basically final fantasy tactics advance, but you have the option near the finale to fight against marche

THEY ARE REAL TO ME

It would be just as alive as you

no it wouldn't and even if it would it isn't a fucking argument
within the game world painters are real, canvas isn't and non-simulated life is more valuable than the simulated one but I'm not gonna argue with an unwashed gypsy whose mind is blown by a youtube video tier philosophy

its pretty obvious which is the good ending and which is the bad. its immediate the vibes are completely different.

But they wont pick a canon ending because the story can end in a bad ending and still be what happened. Plus they gave us the choice, they arent going to tell us what to do.

btw im trans, in case someone cares

Would anyone date scarred Alicia? Any takers?
See, now you understand why she wants the Canvas.

OWA Advent Children is the best piece of video game music ever performed, nothing in this game comes even remotely close.

He could have blown off an arm from each of them to serve as a warning instead of killing them. We know from Gustave that Lumiere has very advanced prosthetic technology.

He kinda shit the bed early on by getting brainbroken way too easily. I get that what happened on the beach was rough but for a big expedition man ready to give his life he gives up way too quick. Everything after that is him obsessing over Maelle which is also annoying.
I like the concept of the man, but the way they chose to characterize him early on just sabotages him way too hard. He should've been more resolute and steadfast.

its pretty obvious which is the good ending and which is the bad.

Man, you people will never stop.

this game literally ripped off myst

no it wouldn't

it certainly would and we're going to create beings like that soon. A consciousness just like humans, if not superior, trapped in a network of silicon wires and simulations. You erasing them would be no different than killing a person.
Their brain is the same, it's just in a different format.

I would unironically
Cute, damaged, rich
Plus she'd groan like an animal in bed

just make them easier prey for nevrons bro

Would anyone date scarred Alicia? Any takers?

Wouldn't even be the second time.

I mean, when 90% of the expedition gets killed the moment they set foot in the continent, I would have given up too lmao.

I don't think a lot of people realize how devasting to morale it is when you land on an island, watch your commander get decapitated, get separated from your allies, see MOUNTAINS of previous Expeditioner bodies, realize that your way in over your head and that everything is futile. It's no wonder he was ready to commit suicide.

I think that would destroy/break almost any man. I don't care if you think you're God on high.

All that you've said, plus he's also overapologetic over dumb shit on two ocasions of his short time on screen. Since you don't get to see him becoming more resolved towards his expedition because he dies so quickly, he never got to grow on me.

can' talk

already broken

petite and tight body

Sounds like the perfect cum dumpster.

If the "painted" worlds were truly real places in a different dimension, it would be hillarious if some painted characters gained the abilities to travel to the real world and fucked up their gods on their home ground, Re:creator style.

But the secondary characters don't. This makes a very harsh contrast with him, and makes him the wimp of the dynamic. He never gets time to grow out of that role.

I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK IS REAL, BITCH. YOU'RE GOING BACK TO REALITY AND SUCKING MY WEINER WITH YOUR CRUSTY BURNED FACE! MAYBE MY SEMEN WILL FIX YOUR BROKEN VOICE AND CRACKED SKIN. YOU INSANELY ATTRACTIVE/MANIPULATIVE PSYCOPATHIC WHORE.

Kek. Reminds me of picrel.

It is a little bit fucked up that Aline creates a scarred version of Alicia in the painted world. Why the hell would she do that

It doesn't break a single one of the literal girls (including a LITTLE GIRL) of the cast...

What a bad story, couldn't she exit and re-enter the painting to recuperate?

without setting up a few climbing/grappling spots first ? That'd be a waste.
Obviously, but Gustave is supposed to be a bit above the curve, he's initially sold as the hero of the story, and while it's fine to portray him being shellshocked and fearful, we don't want to see him give up, we want to see him fight on. And he does have it in him, his last stand against renoir was great. He just needed to channel some of that energy earlier and he would come off as more aspirational. I don't want him to be a fucking GI Joe and I like the more sensitive side of him, I'm just saying there's a balance to be found and a lot of him skewed a bit too far into the doomer side.

Why did they choose to land in the beach full of lv.70 enemies instead of the one with lv.1 enemies?

youtube.com/watch?v=WKlcTG8GbB8

She blames her own daughter for the death of her only son.

It doesn't destroy the stronk asian mary sue

Sure, so could Aline. Neither were willing and so they won't.

We...we painted HUNDREDS of worlds together.

So, nobody wants to allude or comment on the fact that Aline and Renoir painted hundreds of worlds similar to Lumiere with their own people/culture, and then destroyed them?

nah, aline couldn't because real renoir was trying to destroy the world constantly. It took 10 seconds to find the biggest plot hole possible, what a bad story.

hundreds of worlds similar to Lumiere with their own people/culture,

Apparently painting people is a nono, seems like Aline broke the rules in her grief.

Dozens of expeditions before this one and they couldn't have put a warning not to land there? Ffs

the only positive of you existing is that you're on the nihilisitic path to offing yourself so people won't have to deal with your retardation anymore
well, desu they won't have to deal with you before that cause you'll end up fucking a doll that you'll claim is as real as a person
can't wait

they never said anything about destroying them
it's reasonable that it might have happened, but they seem pretty averse to the concept overall.

stronk asian mary sue

you didnt play the game. lune freaks out on several occasions.

Where did they say they destroyed them?
As far as I'm aware, the manor is pretty much picrel

The painters guild has a strict rule against creating human consciousness in their worlds. That's why all the gestrals are dumb.
The one who broke this rule was Aline who created a perfect version of her Parisian city for her perfect fake family. So there really is no other canvas like that one, or will there ever be

Maybe she's incapable of seeing Alicia as anything else

Clea is wicked smaht

Painted People's Lives don't matter

what a retard, can't he just stop doing cocaine for a few months ?

renoir only tried to destroy it because aline refused to leave and as soon as she recovered a bit went right back in.

No, but I wouldn't give a shit if someone else did

The painters guild has a strict rule against creating human consciousness in their worlds.

Does it?

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little putain? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Lumière Engineering Corps, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret Expeditions to the Continent, and I have over 300 confirmed Nevron kills. I am trained in Cartesian engineering and I’m the top swordsman in the entire Lumière Expeditionary Forces. You are nothing to me but just another flake of paint. I will erase you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Canvas, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with writing that shit about me in the journals? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of apprentices across the Dome and your Chroma is being traced right now so you better prepare for the Gommage, maggot. The Gommage that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my metal hands. Not only am I extensively trained in one armed combat, but I have access to the entire Pictos arsenal of Lumiere and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the Continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" report was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking pen. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

how does the collective wellbeing of society affect you PERSONALLY though?

Even your child or wife? Okay anon

the only taboo mentioned is not giving painted people the memories of real people, it's the only thing that is singled out as especially amoral of what aline did.

Are you making up lore ?
Show me where

The painters guild has a strict rule against creating human consciousness in their worlds.

nah, aline couldn't because real renoir was trying to destroy the world constantly

Renoir was trying to destroy the world because Aline wouldn't get out and would rather live in there. That's explicitly stated in the game. Renoir doesn't want to destroy the painting, but believes he's obligated to to stop the women in his family from being escapism junkies just like he was when Aline saved him.

kek

Jesus endbringer is a little broken isn't it

That's why all the gestrals are dumb.

Golgra has just enough intelligence as is needed.

I can't believe Charlie Cox said all that.

that's projection, no line in the game says anything about the 'guild' of painters. you don't know how many painters there are, how many writers, why they kill each other, what's their mo.
Aline commits the crime of making fake Verso and giving him real Verso's memories, which is just cruel and unethical on human level.

there must be some youtuber making up this retarded headcanon that people post in these threads, I can't believe so many people confidently assert things they have no clue about, it must come from a specific source

All me.

FUCK YOU

this is Anon Babble. i account for between 10 and 20 posts discussing this thread on both sides of the argument between verso and maelle. i have never played the game and have no intentions to.

What was the Manor's deal? I assumed it was their real home from reality that Renoir or Aline painted in the Canvas world.

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Manor = bottom of the monolith

You have to be genuinely soulless to not like my man Gustave

uhm he had moments of mental weakness, he's not le based emotionless ikemen keikaku MC so he's a cuck, weak etc.

Despicable mindset.

If renoir knows aline will keep going back to the painting, then what do you think destroying the painting will do? Force her out permanently, so Aline knows this possibly and therefore doesn't leave the painting while renoir is still in there.

Maelle doesn't have that excuse, she already convinced her father she'll come out periodically. The scary decaying maelle face ending is just bad story telling, no reason she couldn't dip out and come back in.

the game is good, but the thought of how many mediocre balding men will farm their basic bitch take 'video essays' makes me vomit

he's not le based emotionless ikemen keikaku MC so he's a cuck, weak etc.

Based yes. The bland self insert MCs of japan is lame.

no reason she couldn't dip out and come back in.

he completly missed the scene where verso says she lied to renoir and she admits it and the eyes with chroma pretty much proves verso was right and she cant regulate her emotions.

We're talking about lore, anon. Not the battle system, but if you must know...A lot of shit is broken in the game. End Bringer is just one of them. PHANTOM STRIKEO got me through a good 1/3 of the game as I kept spamming it.

There are so many different broken builds in the game, but only a few are truly broken to the point that you'll just one shot every enemy before they even get a turn. You can one shot enemies, deny them from even getting a turn, apply all buffs at once, immediately break an enemy on turn start, etc. It's a bit stupid because eventually your fights will be over in 10-11 seconds.

I was one shotting most bosses with the Stendhal set up.

Y-you're fucking with me.

If renoir knows aline will keep going back to the painting, then what do you think destroying the painting will do?

The way the story portrays things, you can't just destroy the painting while someone is in it (makes sense, they don't literally travel into the painting and more project their psyche into it), and that's why Renoir is trying to drive her out.
From Alicia's reaction once she respawned in act 3 we know that Renoir's decision to destroy the painting was a fact that no one else in the family knew.
What makes you think that Aline knows Renoir will destroy the painting?

aline trapped the curator at the bottom of the monolith
where do you meet the curator ?

no reason she couldn't dip out and come back in.

lmao verso says verbatim in the ending "you can just come back" and maelle responds that she won't because the moment she does Renoir erases the canvas
did you even watch the fucking ending

Yeah, Clea just says that "Aline used to be the head of the painter's council" and "She failed her responsibilities", which could mean anything

Everyone wants to PLAP Alicia/Maelle

Seems to me that CLEA is the one that needed to be PLAPPED. That haughty arrogant cold ass bitch. Women like her need to be brought down a peg.

This.
Verso the chuunibyou ikemen chad who gets with both girls IS literally me, my self-insert.
but I still went with Maelle ending.
Had to go through a pseudo ego death because my other self was trying to kill me in another ending.

Une vie à rêver

A Life to Dream

played for Painted Alicia's letter

the middle ending that was denied by Verso's fuckery

11 minutes long, like the Une vie à t'aimer and peindre

three songs, three endings, adding up to 33

Chances for a DLC secret ending?

probably failed her responsabilities by disappearing into a painting for a fucking century

no reason she couldn't dip out and come back in.

Well except it's implied that time in the painting is stretched. That's how they can spend 55 years in there, and yet Clea says "they haven't even been in there that long".
So if she leaves the painting for a week, she comes back to a world 1000 years in the future

"The Curator" is actually the real Renoir. There is no "Curator" but I get what you're saying because he brought Maelle back to the manor for safety.

The lore of the Manor never felt explained. There are doors around the Continent that lead to different rooms of the Manor, and the Manor can apparently just move/exist anywhere in space.

It's even worse when you realized the real Verso sacrificed himself to save his sister, only for her to slowly kill herself inside his own canvas. And the fake Verso has to spend the rest of his life knowing this, while also knowing his family is going to be in shambles because of it.

deny them from even getting a turn

yeah, I didn't even try to do that, but with Sciel giving away the turn you can basically loop your turns forever, with verso reducing himself to A tier you can perma-stunlock stuff too

"The Curator" is actually the real Renoir.

Renoir says he was trapped in the monolith

The lore of the Manor never felt explained. There are doors around the Continent that lead to different rooms of the Manor, and the Manor can apparently just move/exist anywhere in space.

i think its just entrance points maybe for verso to make various islands that he felt that day. then he exits the canvas via the manor. Not really explained has one enters and exits a canvas.

I was explaining something to you bro

thinking you could ever live up to Simon

ngmi

Maelle responds that because she's obssessed with staying in the canvas. Maybe Renoir wouldn't have destroyed it, despite insisting it was the right thing to do, because Aline and Alicia couldn't use the canvas with restraint. They were total junkies.

I don't know what to tell you, anon. It's plain as day that "The Curator" is the real Renoir. It's right there in the game. We all saw it. I don't know who exactly "The Curator" was, but I figured it was like Renoir's BATTLE MODEO.

t. writer

I'm not really into arrogant bitches, I preffer cute insecure young women

I Wrote this post btw

ugh mom made a fake me, how embarassing

I'll mindrape her into a breeding sow for my nevron army

oh she has a boyfriend, let's mindrape him too into an anime superhuman and send him to kill mom

clear is so hot nnnngh evil women are the best

for a fucking century

- time moves differently inside the canvas
- you still need food, water and rest in the real world

Aline probably spent like three days inside the canvas, seven days at best

Clea says that Alina has Renoir trapped at the base of the monolith.
Renoir himself says he was trapped in the monolith for 67 years.
The manor has doors that open to various places around the worldmap.

So basically Renoir was trapped in the manor, and using the doors to get around. But I bet he couldn't stray very far

Simon just radiates that CHAD COMMANDER energy. He is like 10 feet tall and could one shot Axoms with his 400lb BERSERK GUTS style Claymore. What a chad.

what are you even saying Saar

Why do you think anyone here thinks differently ? Are you okay ?

i'm not into being with someone on my level, i want to exploit weaknesses because i'm insecure

Of course I don't want someone on my level, I like women who look up to me. It's always the best relationship dynamic than being equal or worse, beneath them.

headcanon
it's probable that time flows differently, but how much exactly is completely left to interpretation. It's long enough that Clea has taken over the political responsibilities of the household completely and is bitchy about it, so probably more than a few days lol.

That's operating on the idea that the world progresses while the painters are outside of it. We have nothing in the game stating one way or the other. You'd think we'd get that out of the characters that Verso made like Monoco and Esquie but even they only talk of the span of time in relation to interactions with painted Verso, like how Esquie says it's been over 3 years since they last met each other or how Monoco's been Verso's friend for decades.

I'll mindrape her into a breeding sow for my nevron army

She's so hot for that

just so you know that's exactly how you eventually get cheated on

We have nothing in the game stating one way or the other.

The canvas is being painted by the fragment of Verso's soul, it's not being maintained by any of the painters

Real Clea probably got pissed Simon was breeding Painted Clea

I got cheated on by women who thought they were my superiors/ better than me/"deserved better', never the other way around

not learning to show dominance and controlling your woman

sounds like a you problem

you know, it's funny that everyone keeps mentioning the painted family as "these guys with white hair", but only alicia has visibly white hair, verso and renoir both dye their hair so you wouldn't be able to tell. I wonder if that dialog just stayed in the game as the character design changed.
Also why the fuck is painted alicia's skin all white too, what the fuck is wrong with her.

The mother likes to believe that Alicia died in the fire instead of Verso, and blames Alicia for Verso's death

You just never heard about it.
People that you lord over just learn one thing, it's to never tell you the truth.

Probably got wrecked from when she was captured and tortured. Though it's more likely Aline painted her that way from the get go.

I got that part but if she pretends alicia is dead why did she even make a fake fucked up one with white skin, did she need a meat ghost for the roleplay ?

why the fuck is painted alicia's skin all white too, what the fuck is wrong with her.

Aline purposefully drew her wrong, as a joke.

It's long enough that Clea has taken over the political responsibilities of the household completely and is bitchy about it

Clea seems to be a very capable and authoritative person as a whole, so her being able to take over family responsibilities probably has more to do with her upbringing rather than the time her parents spent in the canvas

I know you're joking but there might be something to that since all clea's failed nevrons are white too. Maybe bad paintings just never get colored.

She's no longer with her family as seen in the final shot. They abandoned her. They dragged her out only to leave her alone.

I lost my shit, somebody is probably autismal enough to believe this

, so her being able to take over family responsibilities probably has more to do with her upbringing rather than the time her parents spent in the canvas

I dunno man, the way Clea words it it sounds like Aline got the boot because of the whole escapism shit.

IT DOESNT AFFECT YOU!!!

This retarded mindset has utterly ruined society.

You can't tell me she sat in front of a painting for literal 100 years.
Painters are like gods within a canvas, but they're still essentially normal people outside of it.

Seeing that japanese vtuber loli reach Simon p3
and realising she needs to gear up her secondary party.

after days of grinding and chipping away at Simon

pure JOY.

Other painters are probably extremely critical of people who indulge in painting worlds to cope with their personal problems, even if they do it themselves in secret.

You can't tell me she sat in front of a painting for literal 100 years.

That doesn't seem to be the case. Judging by everything else (Verso dying in a fire, his age in the tomb), they are regular humans with some magical powers, not Gods with extremely long lifespawns or some shit.

we don't really know that, sure verso died in a fire but maybe it was magical chroma fire inside a bounding barrier or something
the game doesn't go over the outside world to not complicate matters, but if the painters can manipulate chroma to make the paintings in the first place, they probably have some powers in the real world too. Obviously not quite as powerful, and they can't change their bodies, but they might be able to at least shoot lasers.

You can't tell me she sat in front of a painting for literal 100 years.

No one is saying she did. We know that the painting operates on hypertime because it's been 51 years since Aline and Renoir have been fighting in the canvas. If that were 1:1 in real time Alicia would've been an old hag.
That said, Clea's words there mean that however long 51 (plus however long Aline spent before the fracture) in painting years are in real life, it's long enough for a council to vote that you deserve to lose your job.

This. Despite everything, Verso did it for her as much as he did it for himself.

People getting caught up in the “””genocide””” of Painted Lumiere have actual MCU brainrot. Retards, this isn’t an alternate universe, it’s the equivalent of a fanfic whose characters have met their own creator deities who can create and unmake them at will. Painted Lumiere is literally a metaphorical device.

Didn't do all characters' quests

It's said to your face that he purposefully left him to die to fuel Maelle's hate for Renoir and the paintress so that she doesn't ask questions.

it's long enough for a council to vote that you deserve to lose your job.

If I don't show up for work for two day without justification s they're already going to axe me.

Man, you people will never stop.

You can pretend that the Maelle ending is anything but a "you fucked up" ending but everyone else knows what it is.

Exactly

but maybe it was magical chroma fire

There's no evidence for that

That's why I said Aline couldn't have been in the painting much longer than 7 days, because she needs food and water like a normal human being

I'm curious why Simon decided to destroy old lumiere and the axon that was there.
Since we already have an axon for most family members we can deduce that it was meant to represent either renoir or clea, and since it's unlikely renoir is self centered enough to make an axon about him, it was probably about clea. It's also a thing with long redish hair like her, so that checks out. It was some sort of giant holding an entire city on its back, probably meant to represent Clea's drive to take on as many responsibilities as possible, and how reliable she was as a person. Maybe Simon and Painted Clea took offense at the existence of the thing for that reason - or maybe Old Lumière was just the theater of some unnamed conflict. Verso says he only found old lumière with the 58th - it's unclear if he was telling the truth or not, but if he was then that means simon went farther than anyone else at that time.

The painting probably puts you in some kind of stasis.

If anything it does demonstrate that the painted world is extremely effective in getting people attached to it. You can see while Aline and Alicia got so absorbed into it

There's no evidence to the contrary either, which is my point - we can't just assume painters have no magic at all outside of the paintings, since the paintings are themselves magic at the very least.

I started the game fighting for Lumiere with Maelle, and I'll end the game fighting for Lumiere with Maelle.
youtube.com/watch?v=anD2aeIrMOs

Clea hates how her parents paint her, so she painted over her painted self and then used her "lover" to murder her dad's axon of her.
She's spiteful in that regard.

enjoy your bad end

She one shotted him after farming lumina?

Don't you think the fact that we have to invent all of these narratives about the Painters suggests poor writing decisions were made? If it's really this unclear on basic plot points.
The explanation for the countdown timer was so dumb in the end. It's like the original story got completely grafted onto a different story. Like someone took the original writer's work and pushed their own narrative onto it.

That's why I said Aline couldn't have been in the painting much longer than 7 days, because she needs food and water like a normal human being

They may have slower metabolism while they are painting, give how they just freeze in place like statues. It may have been several weeks.

Simon has a third phase... ?

they probably have some powers in the real world too

They have four that we know to be a fact.

creating worlds within paintings that are indistinguishable from reality

transporting their psyche into a painting

infusing a piece of their soul into a painting

creating flying portaits/canvases.

No, I think it's smart to leave the unimportant shit open to interpretation instead of inundating the reader with jargon and boring fantasy concepts that don't matter to the story in the least

Watch this board and normalfaggots moving on to """discuss""" next shillpiece in near future. Hence, making op's "unable to move on" argument invalid.
Have you seen any blue shitce shill threads today? No? Well, here's shitters moving on just fine. Goty candidate, btw.

genociding the world and killing yourself is the good ending bro

also the strongest superpower of all, obscene wealth

Thematically speaking I thinking it’s cooler to have a “lost” ending than to actually play it

No, it means Anon Babble is full of retards that get hung up on unimportant shit.

Oh he's right but not "I'm free to send thousands if not millions of living beings to oblivion" right.

My final choice was 100% based on the Canvas' inhabitants, the ones those struggles and innovations lead to being able to face the "gods" of their world through things like the lumina converter. The Dessendres were irrelevant to my choice, they made that world suffer enough to deserve to see it bite them back like how a kid who was treated like shit by his parents all his life is fully justified to tell his parents to fuck off.

blue prince was always rogueslop number 102301023 that nobody cares about
JRPGs are kino and anti-normalfag
you're wrong

As another GLORIOUS and enjoyable Expedition 33 thread comes to a close, I would just like to once again say that Alicia/Maellefags are mentally sick in the head and need to be instutionalized with their shit taste in everything.

I'll see you all in the next Expedition 33 thread.

genociding the world

Lumiere is doomed in both endings and its debatable if the people Alicia recreates are the real thing or just dolls.

and killing yourself

Verso was already dead, that was a fake existence

is the good ending bro

Watch both endings and tell me which one is framed like a horror story and which one is framed as being hopeful

genociding

living beings

Grow up.

holy based Verso CHAD
he fucked Sciel

Cheers, fellow Cleachad
Hopefully you get visited by night terrors tonight to teach you a lesson about hope and courage or something

waits for bump limit and then backstabs everyone like a coward

Based Versohomo

he fell for it

lmao

Backstabs

What? I've been a Verso Chad since I beat the game and I've been defending that ending all thread.

No one left to genocide

In both endings there's a side of triumph and a side of tragedy.

If it was that convenient, Renoir wouldn't have to worry so much

You might as well assume that fish people might be real in Alicia's Paris, it's not a reasonable assumption to make based on what we've been shown and told.

Is it really that important if the painting preserves your body or not?

I assumed the Curator was RealRenoir's avatar or psychic projection, since he's trapped under the Monolith. His power is diminished in this form, he can barely help other expeditions.

Marche posting rules Anon Babble

I think it's more reasonable to assume wizards able to paint alternate realities into existence probably aren't 1 to 1 with us normal human beings, but whatever.

Maelle's ending will be in the movie, and Versofags will want to kill themselves lmao

Another good win for Maellechads.
You know we're winning when the majority is against us, because it's a fact that 80% of the world population is just plain retarded.

This was deeply disturbing

The way she stares at Verso...I didn't see this as a happy ending at all. Her face is filled with disdain and rage, like she's mad at him for going against her.

I really do think it shows that she is already descending into madness like her mother, Aline.

Yes, the lying scum got what he deserved

If Verso wanted something nice to happen to him then he shouldn't have been the most disingenuous, manipulative, two-faced, back stabbing lying piece of shit in all of fiction. Motherfucker would sooner kill an entire world full of people and creations than tell a single word of truth in his entire hypocritical gaping hole of an existence. Have fun trying to lie your way out of piano hell, cocksucker.

Their world isn't even 1:1 with ours, what with there being 33 days in December

it's a reference to their experience inside the painting!

No it's not you retards. There's already a portrait with the number 33 on the monolith even before Alicia enters the portrait.

I think it's more reasonable to assume wizards able to paint alternate realities into existence

Yes, because the game literally gives us that information.
Why should I assume that a fire is 'not actual fire' if there's no indication for it?

Oh, he LIED so he's worse than Hitler

What a strange morale compass you have.

In both endings there's a side of triumph and a side of tragedy.

no there isn't lol

Her face is filled with disdain and rage, like she's mad at him for going against her.

I see it more as her being upset that he isn't happy like she wants him to be. In her mind this *should* be a perfect world. And yet it isn't.
That bothers her.

I'm not saying you should assume so, I'm saying that there's no information that could falsify that claim
The point is to illustrate that we really don't know anything about what's going on in that "real" world so we should refrain from saying stuff like "painters have no powers". We really don't have much in the way of evidence for that AND we know that the painters are special in some way even in their world, so we have no frame of reference for them.

Now I finally understand how someone like Trump could win

whole thread of brainded retards saying genocide is right just cause Verso lied.

fucking world is doomed

Her face is filled with disdain and rage, like she's mad at him for going against her.

No? She just wants him to finally smile, but he doesn't.

As soon as you understand that all Maellefags really want is to plow 16 year old poon their disposition makes sense.

nobody smiles before a performance. The focus needed prevents it.

lost the election

lost to VersoGODS

KWAB

NEW THREAD

"If you could grow old, would you find a reason to smile?"
She made him older, even removed the scar so that's he all nice and prim, but he's still unhappy, and that makes her anxious and sad.

Though he does play the fucking piano at the end, so it's not all that gloomy.

Motherfucker HE IS NOT HAPPY. He didn't want to be brought back. He wanted the Canvas destroyed, and yet there he is, brought back and living in a false world as a false person.

Why should he be happy and smile? That's a living hell for him. He COULD kill himself, but Alicia can just repaint him, so essentially, he can't die, or rather she won't let him die.

and is now FORCED to live in a world/life he didn't ask

thats literally all of us
we dont get to chose the place we are born, we are to make best of what we are given

maybe living for ever sucks, but he spend a century of selfish life, he can at lest for once in his life do something for others

we dont get to chose the place we are born, we are to make best of what we are given

But hickory smoked bacon gets a free pass, right?

being this much of a bitch about having to live in a perfect world with your cute younger sister as its goddess

what a fag honestly

Lying, betraying people, leading them to their deaths while feeding them false hope, apologising for betraying them to get back their trust while knowing you plan to betray them again as soon as you get the chance

This is all fine because, you have to understand, it enables me to inflict further suffering on a little girl suffering from serious physical and mental damage

until you realize playing the piano is how he feels more comfortable expressing himself, so his tune is probably a plea for help

he spend a century of selfish life

he gave up everything and fought for 67 years to try to save his mother

Fuck them kids.

you forgot the part where he was trying to save his mother from self destruction this whole time

Here's a frame of reference:
The Dessendre's have not restored Alicia's fucked face and throat.
This is only something she can do within the painting.
Why is that you think?

Do you have any examples of this?

The only thing that tells me is that they are not godlike in their reality, but we knew that already otherwise verso would not have died. It gives us a relative ceiling to their abilities, but says nothing about the floor. Hope that helps.

I just think that if they can't even fix Alicia's face, it would be ridiculous to think that they can live for hundreds of years, or be immune to fire

Maellefags are the new Rannifags.

Surprise Surprise.

Imagine if Monoco is the one who argues on behalf of preserving the world, No one would actually side with him.

People are being fooled by the graphics of the game being realistic. FFTA had a similar conflict and A YOUNGER BOY was able to snap out of it better.

It's funny.

I agree. But that was never the kind of powers I was imagining. There's a wide spectrum of possibilities, like maybe forms of telekinesis, maybe the ability to cast some small impact spells, that kind of thing. Either way it's pointless to entertain those, I don't want to give the impression I'm actively defending those possibilities, I'm just saying we don't know and there's enough weird fantasy stuff to make me doubt that I can be sure they're completely normal.

Also:

Muh Jesus

Whoa, a fake being from this world wants its creator to die for him.

Isn't that selfish?

it would be ridiculous to think that they can live for hundreds of years

No one is saying that they can do this outside of a painting. In fact, only one retard here is thinking that the time they spend inside a painting is 1:1 to the time their body spends outside of it, and its this retard Everyone else uses terms like "years in the painting" or "in canvas years" because everyone else knows that the passage of time is different between the real world and the painting.

like maybe forms of telekinesis

I mean, I don't see any strings on those canvases.

bro..