Expedition 33 Clair Obscurite

Anon, did you clearly forget about the small universe of sentient people living inside the painting suddenly dying? Or that doesnt count for your happy ending?

I mean she can barely move that part of her face, she's not gonna be grinning ear to ear ever again. But we see her, in the real world, functioning, seeming at least content, with her family, She has a handicap, yes, so do many many people who live fulfilling lives. You're insane to think rotting away inside a fantasy world she knows deep down is hollow is a better life for her.
Now imagine someone else can recreate everyone in another world someday
Also I don't even necessarily buy that the people we see in her ending are really "our" people, the ones we knew. We see her struggle to recreate people. Did she really "bring them back" or did she just make copies? Or slightly altered versions? In other words the world we knew died before we even make that final choice. Either she's rotting away in one recreation or she goes to the real world and can one day make a recreation of her own, on her own terms.

mute

ugly

missing an eyeball

disowned by her own mother

but anon, she is CLEARLY happy, deal with it :)

functioning, seeming at least content, with her family

In the final shot her family is gone and Gustave is beckoning to her instead of waving like the others. That's not "content, with her family".

Anon, her real family doesnt fucking care about her. Maybe except for Renoir.
She wanted to keep living in Lumiere where she has an actual family.

one shot of a guy beckoning instead of waving

clearly she's not really content

The beckoning could mean anything. Could be an invitation to try and remake Lumiere one day. Could just be his own weird little gesture. Her family is gone because in that shot she's mentally saying her final goodbyes, do you really not get that?
People deal with far worse. You don't like the ending because she's no longer hot, admit it.
Her family is real. They're clearly reconciling in the end.
You didn't play the game
A small universe she can recreate later. And that universe, by the end, was a copy of the original anyway. Do they even really have sentience? And their world won't last beyond Alicia's death.

The lack of empathy of this guy is honestly kinda sad. Clearly sociopathic tendencies.

Ok, still won't buy or play your game

I empathize with the people of the real world who want their family member back over the fake world that will be destroyed with her death anyway, and which has already been remade once and thus can be again once she's in a better place irl
You people would just happily become brains in jars if offered, wouldn't you

Maellefags prefer pretty lies to harsh truths. One wonders if they are even human.

a ghost of your foster father/brother beckoning to you is clearly just mentally saying goodbye and not anything more ominous

ok anon, no point trying to convince someone this retarded, you're right

I don't know how they can watch the two endings side by side and see that Maelle's world is a soulless simulation that she and her brother are clearly suffering in

You people would just happily become brains in jars if offered, wouldn't you

You'd happily accept oblivion if God said "I'm bored now, bye."

The book of revelations is why I hate God.
Why I hate the jews trying to force the birth of the red heifer.
It's genocide so comprehensive there is nothing left.

No. Just because she painted them does not mean she gets to kill them.
I hope your mother drowns you because she just wants to go back to her old reality.

You're talking about literally five seconds of a cutscene
I just watched it any there's nothing definitive you can say about what he's doing
Compare that to the long, torturous look shared between Maelle and Verso in his ending, and that harsh cut to her melting face
The devs didn't even make it subtle but you retards lack the life experience to understand the story, or you're just too dumb

See the game has tons of hype watch gameplay for a few seconds

notice the lips look fucking weird, the movements they make don’t match the voices at all, and they barely move anyways

I assume this must be an impeccable game otherwise for people to look the other way on such a glaring issue as major lip desync and the lips not seeming to move much.

It is inevitable that their god will say "bored now, bye". Maelle will die before long and someone from the family will destroy the thing that killed her. Renoir, most likely. It's not even clear if the world is sustainable by itself once she croaks. Which, again, is already happening, she's already withering.

bringing up jews out of nowhere

Anon Babble is leaking again

I should have specified that it's a very specific sect of jews that other jews don't even like because they're quite literally doomsday worshipers trying to force an apocalypse prophecy while a lot of jews actually like being alive.

Oh well fair enough then

This Verso guy looks like a cool dude

Maellefags conveniently forget that

the painted world requires the continual torment of a real world soul to function

the painted world is based on Maelle's memories of these people by the end, just as painted Verso is based on his mother's memories of him, none of these are the "original" people, they're effectively all gone

They really ought to stop painting people, it's fucked up. And Maelle needs to stop tormenting her brother to avoid her own grief. if she loved him so much she'd respect his wishes

Alicia... Get out the canvas, go to the bathroom and take a shit

the painted world requires the continual torment of a real world soul to function

Does it?
Renoir said they painted hundreds of worlds, do they always leave a part of their souls?

Maelle is too cute to make cry! If verso was a good brother, hed understand that!

But we see her, in the real world, functioning, seeming at least content

Sure, as long as we ignore the part earlier where she laments not being able to talk, not being able to breathe without it hurting. But sure, real world Alicia is just gonna have a grand old time.

I know nothing about this game but you are making me want to buy it now

Verso mopes around for the second half of his screentime

lies constantly

tries to off himself at the first possible moment

UHM ACTUALLY HE'S BASED BECAUSE......... HE'S JUST BASED OK?

He's based because he's dedicated to facing the truth no matter how much it hurts.

truth

if zues decided to end existence right now because he and hera were fighting, would you be ok with it? truth is a matter of perspective

I recently got a ban for discussing the game's endings without using spoilers in a thread about the game's endings.

Are all mods Maellefags?

Unclear but this one did
They have literal magic, we have no idea how much she can be helped with time
Also her own suffering was never her main argument, it was always about her brother

The Verso ending has ultragenocide. The Maelle ending does not have ultragenocide. The other stuff that happens in either is pretty irrelevant.

ow, the painter deletes everything and we all no longer exist.

A man can dream, take me out of this jewish controlled world.

None of the magic shown in game seems capable of repairing a missing eye, messed up vocal cords, burned skin, or burned up lungs. Unless healing magic exist and her family is just that hateful that they allowed her to suffer for nothing.

It's not genocide. He's erasing the copies of people who had already been destroyed.
They can all be remade elsewhere, outside this place that torments him and is killing his sister
You fags fail to notice that Maelle and Verso don't even talk about them. It all boils down to her fate versus his.

"I'm going to kill the last sliver of my brother's soul because a known liar and backstabber said the soul-kid doesn't want to live anymore

Burned skin heals with time, you're not in pain at a certain point. Her wounds have very clearly scarred over by the epilogue of Verso's ending so she's not in pain from that. Same with the lungs, she's gonna have reduced lung capacity and maybe some pain but by the real early 20th century they had painkillers and ways to manage so presumably this magical version of the world has the same or better.
Also, her life inside the painting is gonna get fucked up as she starts deteriorating. She's in for some pain either way.
"I'm in pain" is not an excuse to torture your brother's soul and turn a bunch of people into your little WandaVision puppets

Little sisters are so crazy

Yes. Never heard "an artists puts his soul into his work" ?

ultragenocide

Of whom? Everyone was already dead by the end of Act II, buddy.

Lumiere is a wasteland during all of act III. There's no one left to genocide but Gestral, and they are like 30 dudes living in huts.

I wish I could come up with excuses for genocide that easily. And Maelle does tell Verso not to decide everyone's fate on his own during the final duel, if you don't end it too quickly. Even in the scenario that they didn't, though, so what? Does the fact that the superdestruction of everything is happening slightly off-camera make it go away in your mind?

Mods are trannies so yeah it checks out

Third degree burns do not heal over time and most burn victims end up becoming addicts because they require heavy painkillers just to barely function. So basically the 'good ending' is her just resigning herself to a slow death alone where hopefully someone in her family will give a rat's ass about her, as opposed to a shortened life in the canvas with people she considers family.

And Maelle does tell Verso not to decide everyone's fate on his own during the final duel,

To which he replies she's doing the same thing.

Keep everyone alive in your make believe world

Everyone slowly becomes wary of you because you could unpaint them at any moment

They're only nice to you out of obligation

You probably triggered some Maellefags who mass reported you to trigger the mods response.

It's really not genocide. They're all just copies. Lumiere got rekt, if you somehow missed it. Painters are basically gods who can recreate this world if they want to
Also how is she not also deciding for everyone, keeping them enslaved to her will just so she can have her escapism?

For those who come after.

All of this is false.
Physical Disabilities:
Fourth-degree burns can lead to loss of limb, loss of function in the affected area, and significant scarring.
Chronic Pain:
Nerve damage from the burn can cause chronic pain, even after the initial healing process.
Disfigurement:
Severe burns can cause permanent disfigurement, impacting appearance and self-esteem.
Psychological Distress:
The traumatic event of a severe burn can lead to depression, nightmares, flashbacks, and other emotional issues.
Ongoing Medical Care:
Survivors may require long-term medical care, including skin grafts to replace damaged skin, physical therapy to regain lost function, and psychological counseling to address the emotional toll of the injury.

This is all still better than living in make-believe land.

Why dont Clair Obscur fans sound like real people? This entire thread reads like AI responses

Slow death with her family in the real world where she has a chance to heal both physically and mentally versus slow death in painted fantasyland where she knows she's tormenting the one person she really loves while her family watched her wither from the real world
Shit ending desu, all there is to it

I'm Black. I run my responses through ChatGPT so people don't call me ESL.

AI mindbroke you.

She has a third degree burn at best. Maybe second. We literally see her in the epilogue, retard, and she's not wracked with pain. She moving around and standing calmly with a smile on her face. You people act like she's a Chernobyl firefighter or something when we literally see her several times and she's not that fucking bad off

yeah, deciding to save them. save the people who we have spent the whole game trying to save, on the basis that they want to live. from the genocide. the genocide that Verso is trying to do, that would not happen if he wasn't trying to do commit it. do you not see the difference?

I do see the difference between enslaving people, and saving them. Do you?

She's not saving them. They're dead. She made some hollow copies of them. This isn't fucking Marvel where they snap the magic stones and everyone comes back to life. She made new copies based on her memories of these people. The people we knew at the start of the game in Lumiere, the members of the Expedition, they're like Painted Verso, a copy

kek
this is the new version of sounding white on the phone

threads like these are proof that a non insignificant portion of people on this website are actual psychopaths. the arbitrary distinction of what is and what isnt real is sort of null and void when the painted humans are identical to actual humans in every way that matters.

that matters.

To you, which is subjective.
Most of us, real human people with actual empathy, value the soul of not just a person, but of videogames too.

Souls exist in this setting. Do those people in the painting have souls? They get erased fairly easily. Not killed, but erased. The Lumiere we see in her ending is just a recreation. Do beings made of fickle magic like that have souls? Are they really even sentient, or are they just acting as their creator bade them to?

Gestrals, Grandis and White Nevrons.

damn nobody told me Sciel was bussin

if you want to count what happened to them as death, fine, but the fact that they can be restored means they're not gone yet. it's like a doctor restarting a stopped heart.

many of the relationship events happen in Act 3, after Lune and Sciel are restored. their events involve continuations of private conversations with Verso that Maelle wasn't privy to, including very personal and private information that she'd have no way of knowing. Are you suggesting Maelle just kinda guessed at that stuff?

are you really that retarded? The characters are not real and the delusion of that disabled girl and her mother.
is this some kind of cope to deal with the fact that your waifu is not real?
Or is cope about "souls" which are supposed to pass on?

the genocide of

gestrals that kill each other as often as nevrons kill expeditioners

Grandis, all 12 of them

White nevrons, all 6 of them

Yeah, this is definitely a second holocaust.

They can be restored somewhere else, then. Somewhere where Verso isn't being tormented.

710348495

A single Gestral life is worth 10 p*inters

the plot of the game is not even new.
It's a rehashed version of jrpgs where characters attempt invane to rewrite reality, even persona 5 royal had a similiar plot with Maruki

How I justify it?

Hey did you let Gustave get killed

Yes I did. He would get in the way of me manipulating you so I made sure he died

Based, fuck the painters.

What part of "based on her memory of them" was too complicated for you? Of course they remember their conversations, she remembers them as being real people. Verso tells her something about "capturing the essence" of them. Part of that is going to be their relationship, their shared conversations.
It's literally magic.

Nah I can just differentiate between fiction and IRL people.
And I mean IRl by people in our real world right now compared to the characters in a video game.
Something with you and others like you clear are unable to do, because if you were you could go "that sucks but its better for the MCs" rather than bloviate on about literal NPCs you interact with for like an hour tops, or secondary party members that have jackshit to do with anything important post Axions (and even then their involvement with the Axions are poorly done)

Why won't Anon Babble admit that they're for Maelle not because of their sympathy for Lumiere, but because their toys were taken away and they want a replacement for it no matter what. That's all your arguments amount to, because you ignore every upside of the Verso ending, and the limitless potential of the Painter's powers WITHOUT THE FUCKING BAGGAGE AND UNHEALTHY SHIT SURROUNDING VERSO'S CANVAS.

Maruki did nothing wrong tho. Unlike Alicia who did everything wrong.

if you can pull chroma out of a canvas and restore it in another, then yes, the Maelle ending does fall apart rather badly. I did not get the impression that it could, though, which is why I am willing to call it genocide. Do you have some dialogue or events that suggest it does? I know these threads are pretty acrimonious but I am willing to amend my position if you can give me a solid answer there.

say this

let them get away with it in his ending

What a retard

His painting, his rules. He wanted out from the faggot family.

Quite the opposite. Verso stole the painter's chance to keep messing with Verso and the rest of his people. He put a stop to the cycle of Painters doing whatever the fuck they want with kid verso's canvas.

Clea says painted creations do not have feelings or a soul and are therefore not alive.
I picked the Verso ending not because I sided with Verso but because his interests aligned with Clea's.
Clea is the best paintress and a lewd woman. She is also always right. Simple as.

Verso is the epidemy of two constantly competing thought process at once and whichever one is stronger is the one he acts on.

It's not his painting. He's just a painted copy.

Shut the fuck up, Simon

She also has a gigachad white boyfriend and is the most reasonable person in the entire game.

Clea says painted creations do not have feelings or a soul and are therefore not alive.

I picked the Verso ending not because I sided with Verso but because his interests aligned with Clea's.

Clea is the best paintress and a lewd woman. She is also always right. Simple as.

His

But he is a creation too

Bro your sounding like the horseshoe theory version of the Lunefags.

you know i fuck on your bitch

kek

Perfect copy who understands his soul better than anyone else. His painting, his rules. :)

There's nothing confirming you can or can't do that. I would say there's really no reason to think you can't.
These threads are acrimonous because you people take your escapism too seriously, Sound familiar?

he's a creating in-synch with the owner of the canvas. So is Esquie and Monoco btw, they were all in on Verso's plans.

So about how many years do you think it will take for her to regrow her eye, her vocal cords, and a new set of lungs? Think her family will be able to paint her up a husband too?

I think they literally just can't go along with their waifu being a burn victim. If she was still hot in the real world and her only reason to stay in the painting was her brother, then they'd support the Verso ending fully

She can't breathe without pain or speak, but sure, she's not that bad off. Nothing a little make-up and lipstick won't fix. All she needs is an eyepatch.

They were already dead by the start of Act 3

1-3 given the technology of their time.

I hope Aline sells her whore of a daughter's ass to the Writers afte the Verso ending, that's what maellefags deserve.

I feel like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. Maelle able to make someone having information she doesn't herself know, because she remembers them having information she herself doesn't know, and all that information gets included completely accurately, so they're perfect continuations of their previous selves. but also they're just "hollow copies" and it's totally okay to kill them now? even within the context of magic existing that's a fucked up way to look at it.

Maellefags are just like her, depressed NEETs who will never live a fulfilling life so they create all these cope reasons she isn't fucking insane. They also like to ignore the fact staying in the canvas is literally suicide.
Anyone with life experience and responsibilities that have dealt with family members who make extremely self-destructive choices immediately understands Renoir is right about LITERALLY EVERYTHING.

She can see out of one eye. She's mute, yes, but she can breathe.
Meanwhile she's already deteriorating in her ending.
So if it's a question of longevity, she'll last longer in reality.
Good thing chronic pain management is a thing millions of people live with. And that's in our world where we don't have reality-bending magic

Ost

youtube.com/watch?v=_r2iKZ1NWTU
youtube.com/watch?v=V4OXt_Y2PwI
Paint Renoir = Real Renoir

Fashion

Paint Renoir = Real Renoir

Objective

Paint Renoir = Real Renoir
Renoir(s) is just too damn good in this game.

She likely never fully physically recover, however Full-Thickness Skin Grafts were a thing starting in 1875, they just need to wait for the scars to heal.
But regardless she is still rich, and magic (in a way which can have an effect in the real world) and so has more options than whatever middle class or lower trauma victims that compare her to themselves.

Escapism bad, big pharma good. Become addicted to drugs instead!

o they're perfect continuations of their previous selves.

they are not tho, they lost all agency once they were brought back

I feel like there are way too many people here that don't understand the point of Monoco and Noco's rebirth scenes.

You can't bring the dead back to life without paying the cost.

Again, it's magic. Magic that warps the very fabric of reality. She used their chroma to remake them, so there's essence of the original hence the continued memory, but the game admits they're not 100% the same

If Verso was a 40yr old woman you'd be calling her a selfish bitch for letting Gustavo die and getting everyone killed.

Tell me about the painted brocoli.
Why does she wear it?

there's no possible way to do pain management without getting addicted

it's literally impossible despite millions doing it all the time

guess I'll have to enslave a whole realm and torment my brother instead

These retards don't actually follow the story

anon is literally too autistic to imagine what things would be like for people living in a fictional setting

Painted Renoir's suit is so awesome they needed to lower the power level when giving it to players by removing the overcoat

Verso is a selfish manipulative lying sack of shit and hes still 100% right.

For those who come after, not before.
Bringing him back betrays his way of life.

You will have tons of arts trying to correct her or simp for her. I seen this kind of shit before.

Painted Renoir killed Gustav
Maellefags keep forgetting the bloods on his hands

Paint is real.

Gustavo

arriba tequila

I heard semen is a good way to heal burn wounds. Would Anon Babble try?

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Yeah, dawg, take them pills. Maybe if she's lucky she'll OD before she gets to the 'sucking dick in alley' stage.

They will tell you its a trolley problem because they're that retarded.

they "lost all agency"? despite being continuations of their previous selves? who have personal, private interactions with Verso that have nothing to do with Maelle, on their own volition? what exactly is agency to you?

applying real world stats to a fictional setting with magic

Anon, I...

Verso said he let Gustav die. Did you Versofags forget that?

The suit alone looks like the one real Verso wears in the family painting.

Give me one scene where Lune or Sciel questioned Maelle during Act 3.

Their reaction to finding out their world isn't real is remarkably understated. And in her ending they all just kinda look like dolls.

I can, I simply chose not to in an established media experience such as a video game and instead I go along with what is being presented to me.
After the game is over I can criticize them for how well they conveyed the indented experience but if they don't give us anything besides an hour at the start of the game and "insert meme strat here" audiolologs then i will.

And this is something I do for media meant to be consumed, for TTRPGs whether I'm GMing or a play I then engage with the whole world if the GM wants to make the campaign about that, as that's how those kinds of experiences function.

Maellefags read this and see nothing wrong with it, they are happy to have child labour.

Gustav let two expeditioners die on the beach. He's twice the piece of shit Verso is.
He'd have killed a third if someone didn't stop him.
Verso just didn't stop someone from rightfully executing him for treason

you have indeed shown me why these threads are acrimonious, yes.

if you could, surely someone would have mentioned it? Renoir would have argued "if you're so attached to these random people, we'll just move them to another canvas. I'll paint it myself if it'll make you calm down and leave with me." or something? Aline doesn't give a rat's ass about Lune and them, so he wouldn't care.

there's no possible way to do pain management without getting addicted

it's literally impossible despite millions doing it all the time

Good thing chronic pain management is a thing millions of people live with.

So is this some 'rules for thee not for me' type shit?

It is the same. 1:1.

That's not a suit, piglicker.

I liked Katherine...
Most white streamers I watched liked the other guy too.

She's attached to Verso, not just the people. His soul is in this Canvas. The Canvas is literally the last part of him in this world, in any world.

What is the best build attributes wise for Maelle, Gustave, and Lune (my wife) ?

I'm sorry anons, but you're all going to have to die because I'm tired of being a wage slave.

I pointed to the general principle that people manage their pain and live happy lives and you tried to throw out real-world stats like they matter
And again I have to assume a magical world has better shit than we do

Are you really comparing the beach scene with the cliff scene to justify that it's ok Verso let Gustave die?

Depends entirely on what weapons and builds you want to use.

every level is the same for all characters.

1 for strenght (so you can kill things)
1 for agility (so you can play the fucking game instead of letting the enemy attack you 5 times before you get your turn)
1 for defense (so you don't get 1 shot)

Its the same for all characters, really pointless system.

He died for nothing

Depends on the weapon/picto you're using.
You can have 99 vitatility and a single picto will triple your HP.
If your weapon has A scaling with an attribute, raising this attribute will give you more damage than raising might.

Why are you mad lol

His converter is the sole reason 33 made it that far.

when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me

Before beating the game

Yeah I understand why people would say keeping the painting is better since its a whole universe in there

After beating the game

How the fuck could anyone think Maelle's ending is a good ending. Its literally just horror

wdym? he saved everyone

exactly. Aline would still be pissed if Renoir burned the canvas since that's her motivation, but I'm talking about Renoir trying to convince Alicia. if he thought that it was Lumiere and it's people she was so attached to, and it were possible to restore them in another canvas, surely he would have suggested as much? he wants Alicia out of the canvas, and if there were such a convenient middle ground in play, why would he not try to use it? Aline is attached to the fragment of Verso's soul, not the random dipshits in Lumiere.

So you don't want real world facts that dispute your real world facts. Okay.

no amount of defense stops you getting one shot late game and strength is shit for damage unless your weapon scales with it

luck and agi are the only stats that actually do anything

sick of uncultured shitsuckers calling anything fancy looking a "suit"

Maelie, Gustave

What said for the early game
Once you get more weapons unlocked and you start making a build then it goes
Weapon Stats, Agility, if one of the chosen weapons states are Agility then Defense or Luck

Lune

Luck since her best skills are dependent on Crit, then Agility, then weapon stats.

Why would you know about the endings before reaching the ending you internet addicted freak? Kill yourself

Early on focus on VIT/AGI/LUCK. Endgame use the weapon's scaling to determine two stats to 99 and then Might for your dump stat.

It was spoiled for me as people spoiling it in the first post of threads

no amount of defense stops you getting one shot late game

False since I resisted 3 hits before dying against Simon, on Expert.

luck

Defense actually raises Luck as well.

You didn't play the game. The best weapons use defense as well, so kill yourself inmediatelly.

He dies so Alicia could grow up.

lame and gay

can't go wrong with agility or luck. besides that, whatever works best with your weapon

He died so Alicia would have no one to vent her brocon frustrations on other than Verso.

Making general observations that likely apply to this world versus trying to pull very specific stats from our world that factors in things which don't exist in theirs
How would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast this morning, anon?

you died to simon lmao stop pretending you understand the game

t. he gommage'd bosses

You didn't beat the game.

So it's the numbers that triggered your autism? Okay, here's a trigger free response

There are lots of people that get addicted to pain medication and don't manage it well

Is that better?

I think Renoir was well aware it was Verso's soul that was really keeping her there

if you've already concluded that they're not people, then I can see how that would seem compelling, but if you haven't then it really doesn't amount to anything. Sciel's whole shtick is que sera sera from the get-go, and she does talk about how the possibility of getting her husband back kinda recontextualizes the whole thing for her. Lune's method of managing crisis was established as "finish the mission no matter what" from the moment we met her, and she talks about how she wants Maelle to paint the outside world for her after they're done. As for "they all just kinda look like dolls," that doesn't really mean anything. The scene was clearly shot to be unsettling to convey Verso's existential malaise, so I never got the impression that their hushed silence meant anything special. they are sitting in a theater, after all. I take it you read it differently?

You should. Its goty

NTA but what is he wearing then?

You're clearly wrong though.

Better, yes, since you're being less retarded
Having said that, she had resources far above most people, and that's before magic gets factored in

replying with numbers make u retard

Stop before I trigger your autistic ass with more numbers.

keeping Alicia there? when he spills his heart over how he feels about his family, she replies "that's how I feel about 'them'". I know Verso's soul is all Aline cared about, yes, but you think Alicia felt the same, despite what she said? and did?

I read it as "they're all just hollow copies of the OG Lumiere and its people". We see that she's not as good a painter, she struggled with it in Act 3. The theater is mostly empty. There's an uncanny valley aspect to the people we do see. And then of course the Maelle/Verso death stare, the cut to her face like that. It's more than just his torment, we're in a hollow world powered by a dying god now.
I don't know if they're people or not but the casualness the Painters have about just creating and dismissing them from thin air seems to indicate they're not. And again, their world is crumbling anyway.

yes sweat sister, i will play for she until the end of time, both of us naked, as requested

IT'S A FUCKING 3PIECE

You replied with factors that don't exist in their world. The fact that you can't grasp this is baffling. It'd be like if we were discussing a fictional fantasy setting suffering from a disease and you started throwing in stats from the Black Death like that mattered.

Yeah a three piece SUIT

3-piece suit

NTA but there are three aspects for Alicia acting how she does
Her Physical Self
Verso's Soul and her transposition onto fake Verso as a proxy
Her bonds with the people in the world

All three play a part and its up to the person playing the game to interpret how much weight each has on her actions.

If you view for instance the Verso aspect as being her primary motivator then she comes across as deranged and petty.
Likewise if you view her caring more about her friends in the painting then she becomes more justified.

Holy autism

Good thing chronic pain management is a thing millions of people live with.

No, what's baffling is you bringing real world stats first and then throwing an autism fit because "stats scary"

Its Verso's suit but Aline gave that suit to PRenoir. Take that as you will.

friends in the painting

Gustav died doing the expedition proud, Sciel was fine with it and Lune understood enough to not argue.
Thats like 2.5/3 of her friends that were fine with dying

Next time, be more specific. otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time with vague descriptions; you may as well just call it "clothing" or "torso wear" when you say gay retard shit like suit.

Which as an interpretation changes the calculus on whether or not she was justified.

Actually and unironically kill yourself. You are a waste of oxygen. Everyone you know things the same thing you pedantic nigger.

tfw no insane brocon yandere to trap me in a magic world

Most people who aren't low functioning autists can figure out that a three piece suit is a type of suit.

I can see how the Verso ending is by far the better one if you conclude none of them count as people, but that's really the crux of it. I *do* count them as people, so his ending is plainly unconscionable, even if it is better for the Dessandres (including Maelle). I am not going to call your reading of the Maelle ending cutscene as invalid, because I've no more proof that I'm right about it than you do, but I will say in honesty that my own reading did not match yours.

Since you say "I don't know if they're people or not," then let me pose a different question: if they might be people, then killing them all might be genocide. Are you comfortable taking that chance? at what point does that risk become acceptable?

Cléa, vas-tu finir par boutonner ta blouse? Tu es une bourgeoise, pas une catin.

big brother, its time for my swimming lessons

Right, because the people were always an excuse for her to escape and ignore her family.
Good thing Verso put a stop to that and saved her in the right ending

The French designers of this game used "suit" to describe the outfit. You're just fucking autistic.

How cooler would it have been if the dark creature summoned by painted Renoir was the family dog instead of some random lion?

I will continue to fucking dominate you until you learn to speak correctly.

i was a maellefag until i actually saw her ending then i deeply regretted it. i still regret being such a faggot, not sure i'll ever forgive myself.

yeah, but hes the lion and head of the family too

You lost before you wrote anything.

pick maelle's ending

its all in black and white and the tone and atmosphere are more reminiscent of a horror film than a happy ending

what the fuck, I just wanted to help the painted people. Why do I feel like some eldritch monster from beyond the stars?

Speaking of OSTs, what's the song that plays during the Painted Love fight in the Endless Tower?

because you're a dumb frogposter.

Because the games devs stopped caring about the painted people a while ago and expected you yo also.

Is beating Golgra even fucking possible?

youtube.com/watch?v=CeWsWvpF15U
daily reminder this kino isn't on the OST for some reason

Yes.
After you remove damage cap it is easy even.

Of course. She's easy compared to Simon.

In act three yes, she has 8 attack strings, 4 basci ones, and 4 upgraded ones, and if you get them all down you can beat here

Honestly, it feels like she would prefer to have been born a boy.

You'll have to beat her eventually using only Monoco and Verso so yeah, and she is not hard at all even tho I was playing on hard or whatever it's called, Monoco is a fucking beast bro

I just wanted to help the painted people

whom? the ones that died in the previous act? There was nothing to save anymore by that point.

it's been a long reply chain so I don't blame you for not reading it, but the reason I was harping about that is that I'm trying to determine if it's possible to restore a chroma-person as they existed in one canvas in another canvas. that would establish the ability to save the people of Lumiere (and the gestrals and grandis and them) while still destroying Verso's canvas. someone in the thread said it could be, and I was arguing that if it was then surely Renoir would have suggested it to Alicia to try to convince her to leave quietly. You can imagine how wildly the answer could tip the scales of the ethical implications of the two endings.

Verso!

Don't make me give you your incest virginity back so I can violently take it again.

do writers have the same power of the painters in this universe?

Got it, however I will interject that the game itself barely cares about that question in the macro sense by the end. The only objects of moral deliberation are on display in the ending are the party members.
Therefore all this arguing about genocide and the like has little bearing on the emotional conflict the game centers its ending around and feels like a massive divergence from the character ground talking punts.

Act 3 is woefully lacking in (story) content. what exactly were you expecting them to "question" her about?

With grinding and the right weapons you can probably do a no lumina run.
Enjoy act 3 with only one character able to use painter power though.

I'm just annoyed by the Act 3 balance, having to regularly install mods that buff the enemies every few levels is just bad design, I shouldn't have to install a x50 hp mod to make the final boss even slightly enjoyable (it's still way to easy to dodge) just because I decided to explore the world before it.

how does maelle justify doing that to verso

with her pussy

having to regularly install mods that buff the enemies every few levels

Just remove painter power? The enemies you should be fighting are still chunky fucks, and now that you're limited to at most 9999 per hit you're not cutting them down like grass.

both Renoir and painted Verso wanted their family to go outside and touch grass

I CANNOT SPEND ANOTHER DAY CLEANING UP YOUR MOTHER'S PISSBOTTLES

Why isn't there any SFM porn yet

if she remakes the characters in the current canvas they aren't the same

If she remakes them on another canvas she saved them

This game has exposed what egotistical control freaks gamers are holy shit.
I you can accept that having a choice at the end doesn't mean you have control.
That was the entire point of the dessendre family: they had god like powers but no control.
The game showed you their flaws, and then mocked you by saying the player is just like them.

I agree wholeheartedly. that is why the ending is my least favorite part of the game by far. the final duel takes place in a magic box that the more interesting questions the game posed in its course can't enter without disintegrating. I never really got over that.

I will say, though, that I did not forget in my own organic playthrough despite the writers seemingly wanting me to. I picked Maelle to save the people in the Canvas, not because I thought being in it would be healthy for her or good for Verso. If anything I was surprised and kind of sad that the ending scene was more or less only about that. Likewise, I don't dismiss the Verso ending because I thought he was wrong about Maelle, or that I thought he should be made to live when he wants to die. I just don't want him to kill everybody. Everything else was more or less secondary, for me at least.

Yes but through books and not canvases.

Maelle/Alicia’s character arc

how about the fact she's killing herself?! Hello?!

They said NOTHING

real life Verso looked a lot like Gustave

Is there a lore reason behind this ?

How do I get gud at parrying?

what the fuck are you doing? Even streamers know if you want to bring the balance back you have to remove the cheating and painter picto. What's wrong with you dude?

They all died in the previous act. The game was making the choice easy for you.

I don't like parrying so that's not an option. And I like to be able to use combos and setup, I just wish enemies were tankier and killed me in one hit when I fail to dodge without having to mod the game.

Both the ending scenes are the same.
Both start off happy and then end with the fucked up part.
In the maelle ending it's verso being forced to play
In the Verso ending it's all the erased characters stading behind the grave.
People can just not accept that their power over the game does not mean they get a happy ending.

Nothing you're just racist to white people.

hurr durr white guy with a mustache and long hair, must be the same guy

I don't think you understand,I don't want to limit myself, I just want enemies to not quickly die even when I do 10s of millions of damages.

...? are you autistic? what a strange thing to be upset about. Maybe you're just obsessed with modding

Just uninstall you waste of oxygen.

the conversation where Verso confronts Maelle about how she plans to stay in the canvas for too long happens in the weird voidspace that Lune and Sciel can't enter, so they don't have a chance to. the stuff Renoir says to them happens while they're, y'know, fighting Renoir. Fighting to save literally everything. They're not gonna stop and say "maybe he's right and we should all die for your mental health."

if she remakes the characters in the current canvas they aren't the same

If she remakes them on another canvas she saved them

I don't see how either of these statements aren't right. The latter, according to that anon's post, is something that occurs further out, where you could assume Alicia's had time to get better at her family's trade. The former is happening almost immediately after she barely learned how to repaint people through a crash course lesson.

they're not gonna stop

Lune would if she wasn't a fucking half-assed copy made by Malicia.

Listen for audio queues, they help
Watch your enemy closely when they attack
Use dodge when you are unsure about an attack pattern until you can consistently get perfects, then switch to parries

Good lord he's hot

I just wish enemies were tankier

Take off painter power. Capping your hits to 9999 = enemies are now "tankier".

and killed me in one hit when I fail to dodge

Unequip every pictos that gives you HP and defense.
The only one gimping you from struggling is you.

wanting the game to not be a cakewalk is bad now?

Close your eyes and listen

OH GOD I WANT TO SWIM INSIDE MAELLE'S TIGHT TEENAGE PRISTINE, VAGINA.

Take off painter power

But then every attacks do 9999, what's the fun in combos?

Unequip every pictos that gives you HP and defense.

I like to make builds, sorry.
There's nothign wrong with wanting every enemies to have 100M HP

You’re a homosexual

how the fuck you play the whole game without even understanding what the fuck is going on

she's a roastie, literally
the fire did this

Our heroes

Lore reason? Coincidence. Actual reason? To hide twist during the trailer
youtube.com/watch?v=-qgOZDRDynw

May or may not have to do with Gustave's VA deciding to take the Daredevil role half way through Exp33 production.

Lune, whose entire life has been shaped by single-minded pursuit of her mission to save Lumiere, is gonna stop and suggest that actually she and everyone should die so Maelle won't die of paint overdose years from now? why, pray tell, would she do that?

I like to make builds, sorry.

Then use their lumina, dumbass. That gives you the ability without the stats.

There's nothign wrong with wanting every enemies to have 100M HP

No one is saying that. We're saying you're a retard for thinking that modding is the only way for you to struggle against enemies in act 3.

so it wasn't renoir or verso that killed gustave but the gay ass american voice actor?

I fucking hate americans

that's not her goal but her parents, she hates her parents, it was the one time in her life where she could make her own choice but didnt because she became an NPC.

Hold on, is this game just like my Evangelion™?

I used that same combo for Lune

you think that the resentment she holds toward her parents, which she addresses in her relationship scenes, would make her stop and suggest that she and everyone she's ever known should die to make Maelle feel better in the long run? just to make a choice for herself? is that how you read Lune's character?

Can you prove that getting better means they are the same?
Can you prove the people of the world aren't real?
Can you prove a fragment of a soul is the same as a whole soul?
I can ask very similar questions to people defending maelle's ending.
The game shows the dessendres having absolutely no control over themselves despite having godlike power. They are an emotional wreck and think they are being logical.
And then gives the players a choice which they are now defending. And they also think they are being logical when they are clearly emotional about it.
It's high art. The game showed you folly and then invited people to become that folly. 99% of people stepped through the door.
Me? I flipped a coin.

That gives you the ability without the stats.

The only pictos I used were for HPs and defence but by the end I dodged all attacks, I didn't have offensive pictos...

modding is the only way for you to struggle against enemies in act 3.

It's the only way without it feeling like you're holding yourself back

I like your Lune.

He is British and I’m pretty sure Charlie had nothing to do with it. They could have just casted someone else and story was done by the time he did the voice

Lune is ugly without her base haircut, but a 10/10 goddess with it

Let's be honest here - how long until Alicia post Verso ending tries to an hero? A month?

Can you prove the people of the world aren't real?

Lack of soul. The Dessendre family and Verso's fragments are the only souls in the painting, otherwise you'd hear about Lumiere having it's own painter's council and escapism portraits since Aline made the place as a replica Paris. Also a snide commentary suggesting that realism art style is soulless compared to abstract art.

If you count Rebuild, actually yes.

I really liked this one so I disagree.

when I first saw the Verso ending, I interpreted her seeing all the Canvas people waving to her behind the grave as her contemplating suicide. I don't see that viewpoint mentioned very often, so I just assumed I was wrong.

You saw the way Maelle went after Painted Renoir for Gustave. The writer's guild is fucked once she teams up with Clea.

Skill issues if she does. Not my problem.

Of course you're wrong. It's the game ending, they are waving good bye.

I hope she grows up and start helping her family. Clea is literally BEGGING for help and her sibling and parents are fucking useless.

I don't see that viewpoint mentioned very often

That's literally the viewpoint proliferated by maellefags to paint the Verso ending as a bad ending.

Anyone else notice Maelle looks after to the left in the Verso ending? She isn't watching the cast wave goodbye at all.

Whether or not you accept Verso's ending as the best or not, this very scene, you don't hate Verso enough.
youtube.com/watch?v=gFHugtlIyv0

The dessendres do not have souls because they are video game characters.
That's the point of the game; just because you can make choices for the characters does not mean your choice is perfect.
The game showed you you are just as flawed as the dessendres and turned you into a parody of yourself.

the painted world requires the continual torment of a real world soul to function

Verso painted it that way then. Not my problem.

The dessendres do not have souls because they are video game characters.

But they do. They infuse a fragment of their soul into paintings which allows for the portrait to be an escapist fantasy.

explain why aline use her soul to paint this

everyone mad at verso because they love gustave

I think I rushed Act 1 too much. I really just went full story missions only when playing gustave, and only looked around with verso when I realized that these characters might have time constraints for their scenes. Did Gustave just have a bunch of scenes that made him cooler? I thought he was all right, but not enough for me to care about Verso replacing him.

is it? I've not seen it much, but it's not like I trawl these threads all day. I chose Maelle to save Lumiere and the gestrals/grandis, and I prefer it over the Verso ending because in that one you don't save them. it really wasn't more complicated for me than that, but then I looked up what people were saying and apparently a lot of people think it should be.

No they don't. They aren't real. They are fictional.
Go ahead, try to defeat your own argument turned against you.

Because she saw a black guy in Paris.

DLC: she gives the letter to the superior older brother. /ourgirl/ and /ourguy/ form a team. A life to dream baby.

Why do Versotards think I am supposed to care about "Young Boy"? He's basically just a save file. Aline would have left a "Fading Woman" in every thing she painted. It's not a person you fucking retards. It's just feelings left over from whoever painted it and the fag who painted this world would rather play music.

Play the piano and shut up

why would I hate a non-sentient being?

defeat it with your argument turned against you

Doesn't this just mean you concede that the painted people aren't real if you're looking for someone else to disprove the argument?

He's basically just a save file

Ok, so it's fine if he stops painting.

So what was that scene in Act 1, right after Gustave's death, when Renoir attacks Maelle and she falls off the cliff and something weird happens?

It's just feelings left over from whoever painted it and the fag who painted this world would rather play music.

But he doesn't. The painting was made by a kid verso. The fact that you can rummage around the entire house from top to bottom and not find a kid sized piano anywhere means that as Verso grew older his interests shifted from painting to music.

Maelle says you can't delete Verso's save file. She's playing the game now.

Verso was tempted to join the Musicians

Alicia was tempted to join the Writers

It makes you think.

painting was made by a kid verso.

Retard you see Young Boy playing the piano in the Opera House

what if I want to be a equity consultant? do they get magic powers too?

Painted Renoir trying to do that hand touch gommage thing that gets used against him, but since he's not a real painter it just knocks Alicia into the null space you see at the final fight (evidenced by the eclipse) which makes Renoir and Aline aware of her existence in the painting.

I said you can't prove they are or aren't real. You are now putting words in my mouth and pulling a george w "you are either with me or against me"

which makes Renoir and Aline aware of her existence in the painting.

Renoir too? So when Maelle is chilling in the manor at the beginning of the game, the Curator doesn't know who she is? I'm kinda stupid

The game reminds me Automata for some reason. Maybe because of OST.

That scene also makes me think this game was rewritten. In that scene Aline and Renoir argue over Alicia being in the painting. When you get to Aline in the game she doesn't believe Alicia is in the painting, she thinks she is painted by Renoir

I said you can't prove they are or aren't real.

But I just did prove it through the game's established fact of the presence of souls and their application and how Lumiere does none of that.

Renoir too? So when Maelle is chilling in the manor at the beginning of the game, the Curator doesn't know who she is? I'm kinda stupid

Yes. You find quite a few plotholes throughout the game like this. Like how the fuck was Simon ungommaged in the abyss, or why the fuck did Clea's assistance make the chroma corrupted and unusable instead of just making it switch over to Renoir's side if she wanted Renoir out ASAP to wage war on the writers.

the dessendres having souls means the lumierens do not

This is an either or fallacy, not proof.
You are just too egotistical to admit you have no control and there is no good ending.

[ X ] to attack

niggas will justify quick time bullshit again when we all concluded 20 years ago that this was a retarded gameplay design

This is an either or fallacy, not proof.

But it's not.
Show one instance of Lumierans imparting soul onto anything, like how painters literally infuse a piece of their soul into a painting.

When they have sex 33 times

We get to see how pieces of souls look like. All the faded remnants throughout the game are those.

How does that prove they don't have a soul?
You've never imparted your soul into anything. Does that mean you aren't real?

That's kinda dumb. Why else would she be in her own room, with the Curator not only looming in the doorway but also not allowing Maelle to leave until they sparred?

How does that prove they don't have a soul?

Because we know that within the setting of the game physically imparting a portion of your soul to an object is an established fact.

You've never imparted your soul into anything. Does that mean you aren't real?

Physically imparting souls isn't an established fact in our world.

Bruh this nigger thinks a stupid metaphor is proof you are human

Because, as that anon pointed out, the game has shitty writing.
They got their writer off of reddit.

But those pieces of soul are fictional in a fictional game. Are you people really incapable of understanding that arguing a group of people are fictional because of elements of a fictional story is a massive contradiction.

Bruh, my nigger, that's the thing. In the game it's not a metaphor.

Why are you calling this a plot hole when you don't even remember the scene
youtu.be/x9RlKrB_NKs
Nowhere in the conversation does Renoir act as though he didn't know Alicia was in the painting. In fact his response to Aline "you only care when things are in front of you" shows that he did already know. He's saying Aline should have realized she was in there by now but only cares about things in front of her

Aline also thinks Verso was created by Renoir even though she painted him. She also thinks he's the real Verso. That scene is supposed to show that her mental state has deteriorated an extreme amount. Not that the scene was rewritten.

I chose VersoGOD'S ending because it's what Clea would want.

the fictional settimg of a fictional game proves that this group of people are fictional

You will never escape this contradiction you have caught yourself in kek. I completely mindbroke you the moment I pointed it out.

Renoir is honestly a good father.

Painted people are just ink. Deal with it.

at 12:57 btw

That's not a contradiction anon. The rules of the setting establish what is and what isn't.

Like how the fuck was Simon ungommaged in the abyss

Renoir was choosing to gommage Aline's oldest creations, which were the ones least protected by her power, likely because she was choosing not to protect them to conserve her strength.

He intentionally chose not to gommage Simon so he could attempt to take control of him. When you find Simon he's mind broken for Renoir's efforts, but avoiding doing his bidding through sheer will.

why the fuck did Clea's assistance make the chroma corrupted and unusable instead of just making it switch over to Renoir's side

She had to corrupt it, otherwise Aline would claim it instead of Renoir, being the stronger painter.

Renoir is a control freak, anile is an unhinged depressive and alicia is suicidal.
None of them are memtally healthy.

Linen and cotton blend
Feel the ink flowing in your veins
It will be blood of your life
Give up the knife

Come out and run away
I beg you
Run away from this cursed painting
This canvas of a false life

Dream portrait
Imperfect
Chain of your freedom

all in-game lyrics btw

So you are saying the writer decides?
Because he literally told someone who said what you said they were wrong and that there was no good ending.

She had to corrupt it, otherwise Aline would claim it instead of Renoir, being the stronger painter.

Their whole fight is basically "who is majority shareholder of chromacorp". With the way things are done in the game every expeditioner corrupted was a reduction to Aline's chroma shares. With what I suggested it would be a reduction in her shares and an increase in Renoirs, which would allow Renoir to have majority control faster.

If your father isn't a control freak then you don't know what a real father is.

A beta cuck pushover father is not a real male model.

he

That was an interview of Yen, aka the reddit writer.

He has turned strongest single hit in the game right? Does that just instakill you no matter what?

All because of the fucking canvas. Once they're out, they're chill.

Aline and Renoir are both sealed away though. If the nevrons spilled the chroma out for anyone to claim Aline would have priority as she is stronger. Corrupting it was the safer bet.

Keep in mind Aline still had agents in the world, while Renoir had maybe Verso at best.

They are actually code, just like the dessendres, I already stated this.

Should they have made Alicia look like this?

Ignoring that he has every right to be a control freak, he did so because he does not want another family member to die. That is why he told his daughter to go to her room and tell his wife to stop overdosing.

Killing the expeditioners without it being like the gommage would just send them back to Aline. Clea would have to be inside the painting, doing the same things as Renoir in order to redirect the chroma. Which she doesn't want to do cause she's focused on the real world

The Nevrons are basically her creating an "auto pilot" solution. So she can tip the scales of the chroma without actually being there

I have reduced you to beating your chest and saying 'me alpha'. That's enough fun for tonight, I risk destroying my sides at this rate.

Renoir also had himself, as the curator. We know from creating Barrier Breaker that he can affect chroma, particularly his chroma aka the pieces of the Axons that were given to him. The curator could just accept the chroma as the expeditioners get converted.

toxic male doesn't want his family to do as they please

tale as old as time

Talk me out of "Destroy the Canvas

Fuck you, Verso.
Why must everything be centered on what YOU want?

You're a code because you act like retarded bot.

True, but I'm assuming his influence as curator is fairly weak, otherwise he would have done something about painted Renoir or all of the nevrons.

I dont buy that Renoir is played by fucking gollum of all people and neither is he based on Brosnan. He is evidently based off of Jeff Fahey(the pilot guy from lost), I dont get how people cant see it, is clear as day.

control freak who can't accept there is no good ending thinks being a control freak is justified

This is the first logical consistency you have shown in this thread.
I'm going to have fun with this game for months.
It's exposed the lolcow egotism bubbling under the surface of gaming.

Why can't we respect the wishes of the dead?

I mean.. provided Renoir's talk about painted Verso being Aline's finest work, that's what the charcoal briquette Verso would want, and you're kinda being selfish in not honoring a dead man's wishes.

Renoir is a control freak

Renoir just wants his family to not fucking kill themselves. Unlike Clea, he is also willing to acknowledge that the painted peoples' thoughts and feelings are legitimate. He is the only member of the family that is both a decent person and of sound mind, he's just frustrated.

You're missing the part that the Curator was physically handed the axons' chroma to make the sword. He couldn't make it on his own. The Nevrons wouldn't be able get under the monolith to do something similar and give him chroma from the expeditioners

man the costumes really enhance the storytelling

Femoids without father figures hate the concept of a present dad who doesn't allow them to destroy themselves.

Yeah he's frustrated because he is a control freak and has no control.
Everyone tries to figure out which dessendre is destroying the family, when the answer is simple: the fire did.
Destroying the canvas will not make the family what it was.
Clinging to it will not bring verso back.
Replacing the family will not erase the family that has been destroyed.
There is no right choice.
The whole point of the game is that godlike power does not make you infallible.

You're missing the part that the Curator was physically handed the axons' chroma to make the sword.

Yes, but I'm not talking about making a sword, I'm talking about holding on to the Chroma to boost Renoir's stock. We know the curator can just hold on to it because you can give the axon bits one at a time instead of giving him both at once.

The Nevrons wouldn't be able get under the monolith to do something similar and give him chroma from the expeditioners

The nevrons don't need to give the chroma to Renoir under the monolith, we give the axon stuff to the curator while we're outside the barrier, and we know from the numerous expeditions over the years that the barrier endures while Aline's grip weakened from all the lost chroma, so clearly getting that chroma to Renoir under the monolith is not an important issue, just him having more Chroma than Aline.

That still makes him and Clea the most reasonable people in the family. If Aline and Alicia weren't addicted to the canvas world and went out, everyone would get a happy ending.

Verso intentionally sabotages the one chance at a peaceful resolution out of sheer need for treachery, then wonders why people want to shove him in the piano mines just for a sense of justice, even if it makes Lumiére a nightmare.

Gollum is a good voice actor, his audiobook of The Hobbit is amazing

I don't think Aline or Alicia could heal from their addiction without harsh measures being taken desu

I have to climb ALL THAT MOUNTAIN?

Yeah, unfortunately they were too deep into it at that point. They started losing grasp on reality.

He's trying to protect them from an imminent danger of losing themselves in a painting that he experienced himself and that Aline saved him from previously. This is not an issue of suppressing their spirit, creativity, movement, association or anything else, this is an issue of safety.
If someone is doing something dangerous, you don't politely ask them to stop, you fucking tell them and it doesn't matter if you're their father, teacher, or a goddamn life guard, that is not being a control freak.

Do you think these uniforms can withstand freezing temperatures?

Renoir is addicted to the picturesque family he had before the fire.
None of them are right. They are all delusional and try to force themselves on each other because the power to paint has gone to their heads.

You make an excellent point. Why aren't Maelle's glass cutters on display?

And you tell them once. If they refuse, you force them into safety. Renoir is already very lenient and understanding. After losing the fight, he gives Alicia time, accepts her excuse, and believes in her, trusts that she will pull herself through and leave the canvas(she won't).

When will Renoir and Aline have sex again?

Renoir is addicted to the picturesque family he had before the fire.

He's not addicted. Wanting people not to kill themselves doesn't imply an addiction to a perfect family.

Most retarded interpretation I've seen yet.

At no point in Renoir's 67 years of imprisonment has he lost the plot to the point that he doesn't know what's what, unlike Aline who literally questions if the fire ever happened, who doesn't remember painting Verso, who doesn't remember that Alicia got disfigured by the fire.

Yeah that is control freak behavior.
You will slowly rationalize what constitutes danger as something smaller and more trivial until you are insufferable and everyone leaves you.
That's why you are alone btw.

They're already caressing each other in the epilogue. I'm sure they will have a makeup sex, after that.

Yeah that is control freak behavior.

Yeah bro I'm a control freak when I pulled my mother out of incoming traffic because she didn't listen the first warning, Jesus Christ

Time to paint a new son across your insides.

Best girl deserved better.

We don't see what happens after the grave scene.
For all we know alicia throws herself off a building soon after.
You are rationalizing that his interpretation of what will happen in the future, which is nothing but assumptions, is accurate.
Because you are control freaks.
Who can't accept a video game doesn't have a good ending.
Keep behaving the way you do; I think people like you dying alone is beautiful karmic retribution.

controlling his mother's actions

anon... what the fuck

He's plaping a mentally retarded son in that hag right now

everyone who disagrees with me is alone

Too bad for you, I'm happily married.

Alright, I get it, I think there's some personal hangup here. Did your dad threw out your HRT and ill-fitting girl clothes?
He was right.
You'll get over it.
You'll never be a woman.

do everything that I say because it is the same as me pulling you out of traffic

Narcissism. Egotism. Control freak.

never, I defeated her in combat thus I claim her as spoils of war

I never said there is a good ending, retard. You are arguing with multiple people because all of them think you're wrong and retarded, no matter what argument present.

No one on this site practices proper opsec; I already know who you are and you are not married kek.

We don't see what happens after the grave scene.

Oh no, you don't see the entire future so ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN, RIGHT, ANON? If we aren't sure that a meteor didn't hit Paris, then that could have happened right after!

What a fucking retard argument. The framing is hopeful, positive, moving over from the tragedy of the loss of Verso, keeping the memories of the friends Alicia made in the canvas to help her through life.

Was Gustave supposed to be a brother or a father figure to Maelle? I always saw him as the latter.

I already know who you are and you are not married kek.

Yeah post my dox then schizo. I don't give a fuck. Still married and still happy.

if you don't agree with me you aren't a tranny

This is why we have police officers; you are so unstable you'd attack people because you thought they looked at you funny.

Literally both
She says as such

Verso erased THIS

the framing is hopeful and positive

And you people wonder why you keep getting tricked by media boomers.

Some fags ITT dont see what wrong with pick related

For all we know alicia throws herself off a building soon after.

Nah bro. The head of the doctors council shows up and heals Alicia's face and throat and lungs with medicine magic. Then goes pip pip cheerio and rides off on a rainbow and they all start laughing and then jump into a freeze frame.

Bandwagon fallacy.

Pleasure cube analogy

well they have magic painters and writers in that world, they might have magic doctors

They literally say that they never could decide on which, but Gustave fulfilled the role of both.

The game is made by young adults not boomers. Bet you didn't even read ending song lyrics, which are clearly hopeful.

And then I self insert and get Alicia pregnant and we name our kid Panoco

lel

He's the dad that stepped up

I'm sorry anon. After she got better she told her mom fuck the painters, fuck the writers, and she goes off to Pigalle to do exactly that.

I was talking about legacy media and the boomers that own online streamers kek.
Do you actually think playing a happy song in the background makes something correct? You are actually stating you are an npc.

for buffer skills like longer powerful etc... is it only the buffer that needs to have it?

It's the one without mass genocide.

Yeah ok Im not trying to shit on Serkis, I'm just saying, I didnt expect it to be him. I mean case in point, his range as an actor is incredible. I'm still puzzled by how they created the characters, Lune to me looks like the antenna lady from Guardians of the galaxy, Gustave is certainly not Charlie Cox its obviously Pattinson, so what the fuck did they do? Did they just mix and match features? You are going to tell me you dont see the resemblance between Renoir and Fahey, cmon.

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It's hopeful not just because of the song. But you clearly will deny any lore just to have your preferred choice be the absolute one. Just move on if you don't like the other choice.

The one who applies the buff, yes.
The buff itself becomes "greater".
Works even with greater defenseless on Maelle when she applies defenseless on self.

I think both choices are bad.
You are stating you need to believe I am supporting the other choice because you are too emotionally stunted to handle being told you are wrong on the internet.

Yes. Give Sciel those pictos so she can become the ultimate buff slut.

I think both choices are bad.

You think that despite all evidence that one ending is hopeful. Bittersweet, yet hopeful, and thus "good".

Anon, thinking both choices are bad is itself a choice.

I plat'ed it, what now? I'm not ready to say goodbye...

I think both choices are bad.

So why are you arguing with me? You haven't proven I'm wrong in any way, since I never said endings are bad or good. I just don't have problem with them unlike you.

Wait for the GOTY edition.

But not the choice the game presents
I don't have a problem with them. I want to shake the author's hand for making 1st world incel millennials lose their shit like this.

lose their shit like this.

What do you mean?

HOw come it sold less than some nes ports and yet its so shilled

Game is dogshit by the way, parry slop for zoomtards

lol retard

keep coping

So i'm guessing it's just actual niggers and zoomtards (same thing) being as loud and obnoxious because they are a minority? Ok got it. Enjoy your totally organic thread and parry slop

keep saying it

Genocide is preferable to slavery
Just like real life. The good guys in ww2 committed "genocide", while the bad guys (Churchill, FDR etc) enforced slavery

The only guy enslaved is the guy Maelle is stopping from committing mass murder-suicide.