You didn't side with Sid from Toy Story

You didn't side with Sid from Toy Story

You didn't side with Todd from Detroit: Become Human

You didn't side with Wallace Corporation from Blade Runner

You didn't side with the whale from Pinocchio

You didn't side with Mansley from The Iron Giant

So why did you side with Verso?

I gave the kid what he wanted. Simple as.

Elaborate on how you made any of these connections.

the toys are alive in Toy Story, they have souls and should not be harmed = the painted people in the Canvas are alive and have souls and should not be harmed

Same for Detroit

Same for Blade Runner

Same for Pinocchio

Same for Iron Giant

The crutch behind the majority of those who sided with Verso is the belief that the people in the painting are not real, so their "deaths" do not matter.

and have souls

They literally don't have souls.

Do you have a soul? Prove it.

None of those have worlds that are being kept alive by the partial soul of a dead man who just wants to rest.

It's time to stop painting.

Ugly hag tranny.

toys don't have souls and neither do I.
consider your shit argument trounced.

You didn't side with Sid from Toy Story

Verso would be Woody actually

The world is held together but the constantly tortured soul of a child, just for these omnipotent women to escape reality when they could be one day away from a mental break that turns the lives of everyone in the painting into a living hell for thousands of years.
They had it bad with the paintress/Renoir and they might have it good with Alicia for a little while but I'm not risking some future painter intervention that turns the painting into Dante's inferno.

the constantly tortured soul of a child

He's not tortured anymore after his dad was kicked out. All that he needed was the place restore to pre dad state.

Doesn't matter. Death isn't final inside the painting and everything can be reverted and fixed. But endless unfathomable torture is also a possibility, it all depends on the whims of these unstable all-powerful painters.
They are the worst kind of gods.

I'm not risking some future painter intervention that turns the painting into Dante's inferno.

Just Alicia would be enough, just try missing out on verso's concerts.

Maelle is an autism test, says that you believe that as long as it sounds and looks the same, it's the same person.

There are no real people in the Alicia's ending
The world became a puppet house the moment Maelle got her memories back
She doesn't consider anyone real anymore, she changes everyone's will on a whim

Who says I didn't? What has more value? A human life or a toy's life? A human's life or an android's life? A human life or a puppet's life? A human's life or a robot's life?

If you had to make a choice between one or the other, all other things being equal, what would you choose?

she changes everyone's will on a whim

Even if she doesn't right away, she'll have to eventually. People with free will won't just wait for their god to go mad.
She can either hide it, in which case she goes mad eventually and people suffer, or someone from outside intervenes to save her and people suffer.
Or she tells everyone and then removes their free will completely.

Who says I didn't? What has more value? A human life or a toy's life? A human's life or an android's life? A human life or a puppet's life? A human's life or a robot's life?

If you could save two people you did not know, or one person you did know and love, who would you choose? Most people who aren't psychopaths would choose the person they knew and loved. Our ability to reason separates us from being vicious animals, but our ability to love separates us from being soulless automatons. Through love and reason, I choose who matters most to me. Now we've quantified that Human beings have varying value based on the individual, which can be extrapolated to say some Humans would save their childhood pet over another Human they did not know or care about; and some Humans would save their friendly artificially intelligent robot over another Human they did not know or care about. Now, in the case of Expedition 33, Maelle saves those she cares about, and those who are not "real" but have real souls and real emotions.

SAAR FULL SUPPORT FOR VERSO SAAR, MAELLE MUST SHOW BOBS NOW I RAPE HER FULL BODY

HOW CAN SHE PAINT?

why don't the painted people just kidnap and hold hostage a painter? seems like it would solve all their problems

Yes I did retard because I have agency and I am human. You are a lib shitter who does le popular thing

Even if she doesn't right away, she'll have to eventually.

If painters could change the will of those they painted, why did Aline (creator of Lumiere and all the Lumierans) not just change the will of her creation to not oppose her, and instead oppose Renoir who was holding her captive on the monolith?

Maelle saves those she cares about, and those who are not "real" but have real souls and real emotions.

In the game the painters have infinite power over their creations. Maelle thinks she is saving those she cares about but all she is doing is recreating them from scratch in the way she wants them to be, not the way they would have been, if left without any painter intervening.

Didn't I?

try to kidnap a painter

get gommaged and repainted instead

If painters could change the will of those they painted

They could, but it required efforts. Simon is an example.
I don't think Maelle mind-controlled everyone in her ending though, just Verso so he couldn't suicide.

Fuck knows, she didn't even tell them it wasn't her doing the gommage. She didn't even need to go as far as to change their wills, to warn and turn people against Renoir but she didn't bother at all.

I accept that the Lumerians had souls and were alive, but the canvas was doomed. Alina had spent like 70-ish years in there and was on the verge of death and she was one of the greatest painters. Alicia is not even close to her mother's level of skill so the Lumierans have like maybe 50 years before Alicia dies and Renoir nukes the portrait. So yes, I prioritise the family in the real world over a world living on borrowed time.

Didn't Renoir take all her chroma and locked her in the Monolite?
She couldn't do anything after the Rapture.

In the game the painters have infinite power over their creations. Maelle thinks she is saving those she cares about but all she is doing is recreating them from scratch in the way she wants them to be, not the way they would have been, if left without any painter intervening.

Can you substantiate this with any evidence in the source material and not just conjecture? Can you point to a single character trait or action that Lune/Sciel or any other character takes after Maelle gains her painter powers that marks them as different from their earlier counterparts, before their gommage? I can't. They behaved exactly as I would have expected them to. Even if you were a clone, born a second ago and matured to adulthood instantly with all the memories of the real version of you who came before, are you any different than that version?

Nearly everyone here sides with those people and groups... like period. Like in real life everyone agrees Mansley is the hero. They think the Whale should have fucked up the woke pinocchio because he was a toy not a pronoun.
They think the Wallace Corporation is dope and androids slaves should exist.
I dunno what the fuck happened in Detroit Become Human, but I gaurantee they'll suck Todd's dick for what he did.... a quick wiki glance... and...

he throws a fit and accuses Alice of blaming him for his wife leaving

Yeah that's incel shit to do, everyone here fucking loves him for not having personal responsibility. People here always blame individuals for societal ills and blame others for individual ill then whine about personal responsibility while having none.
Everyone here hates the toys from Toy Story because 80% of them were DEI, and people want woody and buzz to use the army men to put the dino and women in their place.

Haven't played the game but the girl looks annoying so I'm siding with the guy.

Alina had spent like 70-ish years in there and was on the verge of death and she was one of the greatest painters.

Clea tells Alicia in the real world that Aline and Renoir have "spent longer than this in other canvases, it's not that dire".

It has to be by extrapolation since it's the end of the game but neither Sciel, Lune nor Gustave can be allowed to keep their memories of what happened to them. Being friends with a god who can rewrite time and give you a perfect life might be great but it comes with the knowledge of what will eventually happen. Sciel might be selfish enough to be OK with it, but I don't see how Lune or Gustave would be.

Sciel might be selfish enough to be OK with it, but I don't see how Lune or Gustave would be.

Why not? Lune knew about Maelle's power when Maelle repainted her and it didn't bother her then. The more I think about it, I think the real Gustave (the mature older brother, not the fake selfish painted version of himself or the fractured child version of himself) would want Alicia to be happy inside the painting. Alicia says her and Verso used to "play" in that canvas together, and he literally sacrificed his life to save her. What he truly would have wanted was for her to be happy and whole, even if that meant living inside the canvas they loved to play in as children.

That was monolith year 47, not 33. Also we don't know enough about painting to draw assumptions. Maybe spending time in another persons painting is more taxing than doing so in your own?

Don't know who sid is
I choose to stay on Conor as an agent side and eliminated the android uprising, because i am not a retarded leftist and a traitor of my own race
I don't know blade runner really, but fake humans must be eliminated
I don't know Pinocchio
Don't know Iron Giant

Maybe spending time in another persons painting is more taxing than doing so in your own?

So what? That wasn't Aline or Renoir's painting, it was Verso's. And Clea flippantly lets Alicia get locked in the painting for 16 years. "You're about to be reborn in this world as one of Aline's creations. Have fun." No real sense of urgency of cause for concern from her. She might as well have said "oops, you spilled milk on your dress and now you have to go change". Living 16 years in the canvas was more like a slight nuisance than some real terrible thing.

The moment you start rewriting memories to erase sadness and bring people back from the dead you don't get the same people as the ones you started.
It's not possible for Alicia to maintain the utopia when everyone knows who she is and what's out there.

The moment you start rewriting memories to erase sadness

Did she rewrite memories or erase sadness? When did that happen?

Since the painters have lived hundreds, potentially thousands of years, it's strange they don't have emotional maturity and have mega crashouts

movie references for a movie game

this is almost as pathetic as Americans with food analogies. probably had to chatgpt this OP for your AI game.

OP is right. Maelle is the correct choice. Even the game writers didnt understand the implications

That's why I said she can't maintain a utopia without erasing some memories. Sciel's husband died of a normal accidental dead but he's back. Should he be back? Does everyone else who died also get this treatment. Will all of them return with all their memories intact and be happy to be alive and not terrified or worried this could just all happen again?

I don't actually recall how Pierre died. I know he died before his gommage from something, but forgot what it was. I don't think it's clear by the end what Maelle's involvement will be as the God of that world. Will she make everyone immortal? Will she resurrect them over and over again? Will she only give them one resurrection to fix all the accidental deaths and killings during recent memory but then let them die natural deaths after that? Any answer we can give is just guesswork.

I find it impossible to believe that in her ending she fixes everything, everyone keeps their memories so as not to change who they are (even the person who got her legs crushed in a cave), and it's only Verso who she has to bend to her will.

This one too.