How is this game still popular?

TFD is also the same mindless combatfest as WF but less polished and way slower

just do something that isn't the thing you want to do

Why is Anon Babble advice so incredibly retarded?

it's pretty fun. reminds me a little of dynasty warriors or something like that.

it literally is at the endgame
do you think baby tenno start the game flying through levels vaporizing everything too?

as a new player, you have months or even years of content ahead of you.
your profile is a checklist of things you can accomplish.
as an old player, it's a game you keep coming back to for update to update or for the weekly missions

My experience with Warframe:

Start game

Cool incomprehensible movement scheme

Even more confusing literally everything else. No idea what the fuck is going on or what the goals are.

Hub worlds that don't tell you what the fucking point is.

There's some sort of outdoor shared instance area but I'm not told the point of it.

VR missions that rank you up in... something? For some reason?

PvP where I seem to do 0 damage regardless of what I try and every other player seems to do infinite damage

For some reason you need to be in a guild to trade shit

Level up some warframes and whatever and get to wherever I can get to in the planet progression shit

Grind up a bunch of platinum selling grindable card upgrade things, that I never use to buy anything with

Get to the point where you're actually an operator inside the warframe or something? I don't really understand what the fuck happened and the cutscenes explained exactly nothing.

Some dude with long fingers was playing space chess?

Have no idea at all what to do, no idea how to actually make anything stronger, no idea what the intended progression is or was

Lose interest and don't play

Path of Exile is less completely impenetrable to anyone who hasn't been playing since day one.

did they ever revert the ash, ember and equinox nerfs?

Warframe is one of those rare MMOs where old content doesn't become completely irrelevant when newer content comes out. So every thing that was added in that 10 year old game is still being played regularly by the playerbase.

why would you play this as a new player? there's tons of shit you'll never even have a chance to get, you'll always be a DECADE behind in login rewards, and you'll spend ages being carried because veterans have piles of weekly gated archon shards

old enough to discover porn.

Sup tranny. First point is right though.

warframe isn't an mmo

No competition.

If Destiny is a MMO then Warframe is.

who says it is? 1999slop and the marvel superhero frames and their marvelshit quips killed the game.

all thread

no imgs of thick thighs characters

even though warframe is all about coomer characters

??

Dissapointing.

go away, we're talking about the actual game.

Bungie tried to claim Destiny wasn't a mmo either lol

it's made by the fuckers that made unreal tournemant so the game is just filled with shit the developers thought would be cool and they themselves wanted to play, not to follow where the money would take them. also the fact the developers will humble themselves and listen to community feedback and even change the course of the game entirely even if the players are having fun with a bug more than the intended design.

It is definitively soul incarnate.
It entirely foregoes conventional design philosophies. it is not made to be a product, it is made entirely out of passion.
It's fun. Does it need to be any more than that?

the developers will humble themselves and listen to community feedback

lol comma lmao

Chinese money laundering via plat trading.

Let us keep our invincibility!

kek

you want to play a third person shooter? play this isometric click-to-move arpg instead

Like i said, retarded.

retard you never mentioned shooting enemies, only swoocing through levels clicking them
put those fucking goalposts back

revenant post

We're talking about Warframe you dunce. Recommending entirely different genres of games is idiotic.

boo hoo nigga go play any of the other characters with raw invincibility.
we got bullet jumping. your one character being slightly different pales in comparison.

It continues to give you tools to make your own fun. They also have their finger on the pulse for community sentiment by steadily addressing frame reworks and a steady flow of cosmetics. They only things they REALLY should focus more on are:

More tilesets (well just give me a murex survival tile ffs)
Smarter enemy AI and encounter design
Better endless mission design (they are getting better at this slowly)

I'm really hoping that this Tennocon announces the Tau system. A new starchart would make me the happiest guy in the world.

there's tons of shit you'll never even have a chance to get

Outside of living on trade chat trying to buy Primed Chamber, there is so much shit that you can get with ease. Sure you can't get Raid Sekharas anymore but it's not a big deal 2bh

you'll always be a DECADE behind in login rewards

The weapons you get from them aren't ground breaking and it something to aspire towards. Not a big deal, especially when they let you choose the ones you want first.

you'll spend ages being carried because veterans have piles of weekly gated archon shards

Unless you play solo (and you should play solo for the most part), getting carried and zooming through public missions has always been the DNA of the game lol. People used to get upset at other simply because of coptering

fast and dopamine-generating gameplay

game is actually huge in terms of content (from the perspective of a new player) and more to come

big and active community

comfy monetisation system

well, thats it

warframe thread

38 replies

no pics of Reb

shit thread

rework makes the character worse

BUY BUY BUY!

you can get through the game at MR2 with hek+rhino. People dont want to because it's boring and ugly

new players beat vor's ass several times and he just comes back in the void split in half for some reason

alad v is simultaneously alive, infested, amalgamated and dead

>Cool incomprehensible movement scheme

How can anyone be this retarded?

eternalism, bro
you wouldn't understand

Posting a pic of Reb gets the thread nuked

the game does a dogshit job at explaining the most basic fucking concepts to you and just throws bullshit at your face until you figure it out on your own or wiki warrior it
for some reason i was never shown the bullet jump tutorial prompt so i had no idea how to bullet jump until i got to jupiter and had to ask a friend how the fuck was i supposed to make the huge jumps in those ruined scaffolding tiles
the game never told me extractors healed themselves over time when not in use
fucking KUVA LICHES

NO HAND HOLDING NIGGA

YOU READ THE WIKI OR LEARN THE HARD WAY

They put in minimum effort and tried to nickel and dime everyone.

NO
i was carried on the railjack part and my friend hooked me up with requiem mods and it was still miserable, and all that for a shitty kuva kraken
UTTER ASS EXPERIENCE

kuvas/tenet/coda weapons are just straight up better, anon
next time don't settle for a kraken

got the literal worst lich weapon

heh

incomprehensible movement scheme

you have a sprint
a slide
a "crouch jump"
a double jump
a wall hop
and a wall cling you will never use
That's your entire movement kit, give or take abilities. If something that basic is incomprehensible to you, you're a fucking idiot
You're a fucking idiot.

settle

bitch i didn't even see the fucking prompt

You're just shit at video games dude. I think that's the problem
I carried a literal child through all the hardest content in the game when he was 14 at mastery rank 7 & is now mastery rank 29 can kill riches in under 2 hours & all the other good shit. You are a blight upon this earth failure

i'm pretty sure the game never tells you about the AABC reward scheme either
this is a wiki warrior game, no arguing with that

LMFAO
thanks for beta testing.
You can see what weapon a lich will use before you create them now.

i don't give a shit about what your totally not made up 14 year old can do, i can kill non-coda liches in under 2 hours now too. fucking retard why did you even bright that shit up when we're talking about the new player experience?

run through the same 4 "levels" passing all the enemies as they are just glorified stage hazards that dont pose any threat in the slightest

do this for hours on end so you can go to the next 3 levels and repeat the same exact process

over

and over

and over again

wow what a great game!

If any single person playing Warframe applied this dogshit to idk getting on a physical treadmill and losing some weight the world would be a better place.

its picrel for me, I can return after a long break and have fun catching up on a bunch of shit. For now im really enjoying Jade and some of the new weapons like the Vesper.

Because you're a retard that can't understand movement in a baby game. Thats why I brought it up dumb fuck.

I will forever hold the controversial opinion that bullet jumping ruined the game, I do however still find ways to enjoy it

Current new player experience is a bombardment of tutorials and quests that serve as more tutorials for everything from how to use mods to how to craft shit.
It's as hand holding as you can get for the modern audience without turning into fucking Half Life 2.

and it's my fault this buggy as fuck game didn't give me the prompts and had the geometry to me finish the tutorial despite missing the prompt to bullet jump?
dumb bootlicker, why don't you understand a bullet through the roof of your mouth?

You two retards are exactly why noone plays this game anymore.

there is no kuva lich tutorial
the game doesn't even tell you they'll start spawning, a new player will always go "ooh what's this" and rawdog it unless they get warned by a friend who already plays the game

why noone plays this game anymore.

there's 50k alone on Steam right now and that's not counting the native launcher, EPIC, consoles, and mobile, which are all crossplatform.

You are a mentally stunted webhanded motherfucker that would get lost playing fucking Blood

mobile

and how many of those are actually playing the game instead of idling in a relay dancing on their heirloom ember skin?

you have low iq

hahaha thiss nigga thinks people play it on epic, mobile and gaystation
holy copeola
just accept your game is dead bro

no argument

not enough

not him but before I enabled cross save I played on the nogames
we got to copter a little longer than the rest..

like every other player ingame has the console symbol you schizo

A friend gave me a kuva lich weapon before I even knew what a railjack was when I tried to get back into the game. I had that kuva lich on me for two years of me quitting and trying the game on and off again.

I haven't played since the kuva thing should I get back into warframe

WF is the perfect game to play while waiting for new games to come out

the game doesn't even tell you they'll start spawning

Some motherfucker on comms will rant about how a maggot is the chosen one.
A generic mook with a big red icon on the HUD shows up on that you have to beat up, then you have to hold the interact key for long enough to turn him into a lich.
A dipshit that has enough cognitive control to witness all that happen but think "I don't know what this is, but I will unga bunga" deserves to Darwin himself.

i play this game and i unironically wish less people played this game on consoles and mobile
if you host games as a consolecuck you actively reduce enemy spawn rate. fucking RETARDED game design

youtube.com/watch?v=MjTq4dTxh1w

why is legacy warframe so good

I was in a similar position when I got back into it for 1999
it's alright, the qol updates that have been made kinda make me feel like it's bizarro warfarm

Warframe is overdesigned slop.

It tricks people into thinking they are having fun by bing bing wahoo zoom around the screen movement. Once that novelty wears off you're left with a very barebones grindfest that the playerbase will scream isn't P2W despite having all the grind removed once you pay.

You are grinding so you can go grind some more so you can go grind some more so you can go grind some more.

dw bro it gets good after 40 hours!

okay what happens then?

oh you can grind these other mission types!

and what are those exactly?

oh haha they are the exact same as the ones you were just doing but in a slightly different looking area. you still ignore all the enemies until you get to a bullet sponge boss haha :)

after we do that for 20 more hours we can go afk in a half empty lobby area and dance :)

Lol.
Destiny, while dogshit, at least had very big raids, a cohesive story, PvP and puzzles.

No it's your fault for being too retarded to play around with things. Do you also need someone to hold the pencil for you when writing? You're a facetious shitter buddy

I thought that was fixed last year

Play it and find out it's free

literally nothing the game throws at you demands as much shit to solve as a kuva/SoP lich, a new player will absolutely not expect the mountain of work ahead of him. especially when you're starting out and have no backlog of requiem mods or a built railjack
there's a reason the coda liches are baby mode. stop being dishonest at any point

play around with things

what the fuck does that even mean? do you just randomly roll your face across the keyboard expecting to find some secret combination of key presses? what a dumbfuck thing to say.

not free if it takes 50 of my hours to get "good"

I like to decorate my space house

I wish the game was aesthetically pleasing. The models and textures aren't low quality, they're just ugly. It's like all the frames were dipped in alien feces

Well they are biomechanical golems made with a virus.

i don't know
destiny is miles better at this niche and it still sucks

Destiny is a better game but with much worse monetization

so it's not the better game

how? i thought all they sold was cosmetics? in warframe you just buy progression if you want

sex

By the time the ability to even get a Kuva Lich, (completion of War Within) the new user has unlocked almost the entire star map, and has probably spent at least a day.
After which it throws an entire new mechanic with more equipment to grind, and harder tiers of content.
And somehow the player that did all that, is fucking stupid enough to stumble into Kuva Liches.
Your storytelling is so fucking asinine it could be the next The Last of Us.

You are grinding so you can go grind some more so you can go grind some more so you can go grind some more.

So?

having put hundreds of hours into both, I must disagree
I'm not sure exactly how to put it... I want to call destiny 'shallow' compared to warfarm, but I do not mean quality. Also it's like a lesser of two evils situation. Neither really respects your time, but warfarm disrespects it less, I guess? And while both dev teams continue to make retarded decisions warfarm's devs are making generally less of them or maybe just comparatively less retarded ones.

They sell

loot boxes

cosmetic packs

battle passes

dungeon passes

expansions

They tell you every single control for movement in the tutorial. I know this because I played through the new player experience when it was reworked. I would honestly prefer if you went & cried on reddit or the steam forums so you can be publicly shamed like you deserve to be

because Destiny 2 shat the bed, thats all

So? mobile grinding, korean-style, money grabbing slop isnt so bad actually

It worked for WoW
It worked for Diablo
Basically it works for every subhuman underground

i was so close to posting an actual response kek
good one

wow and diablo are miles better than warframe and its not even close. the comparison youre making would work better if you mentioned blade and soul or lost ark

warframe you just buy progression if you want

no you cant

wow and diablo are miles better than warframe

why?

NTA but I assume he's referring to the fact you can buy stuff like frames and weapons

and yet you can't read
i would really prefer if you sucked off a shotgun

Warframe is a game that you can play at your own pace
I've played it on and off for nearly a decade now, love the game, love my Space Mom, simple as

hmm should i grind 50 missions for components and wait 3 days for the foundry or just pay a few bucks? :)

NOOO ITS NOT P2W!!!!!

lol cope

harder tiers of content.

you can clear the base star chart asleep
this isn't an argument

LMAO not even worth an honest response. end yourself blizztroon you and the company you worship are a plague on the gaming industry

you can beat kuva liches asleep
your entire diatribe has been a worthless exercise

Both have skill expression. Both have an effective end of the game. Both have a story that you can follow and have it make sense. Both have active PVP. Both have better transmog systems. Both have different content than "Run the same 1 mission for components ad nauseam". Both you can comfortably play with friends without them feeling completely worthless. Both have the ability to theorycraft builds instead of just generic metaslop.

Shall I continue?

dishonest dumbass
you have to farm the requiem mods, you have to fucking figure out not only the words but the order, all while doing it as efficiently as possible because if you fucked up and made a toxic lich you're gonna get your ass handed to you if it levels up to kuva fortress
why are you so fervently sucking DE's cock? are they paying you to do damage control? this shit is an outdated mechanic and even DE themselves don't like it when the coda liches work completely differently

probably so. i dont see it as p2w because you still have to mod them correctly and know how to actually use them. sure anyone could run a low level exterminate but the harder content like EDA/ETA or even just netracells is going to kick their asses without actually knowing the game. besides, the fact you can literally earn the games premium currency is huge. sizeable, one could say.

Oh and arguably the biggest plus both of those games have is they are both pay-to-play. It helps block out a lot of turd worlders who shit up the game.

are we really gonna pretend you dont just look up a guide lol
spending premium currency to skip the grind IS p2w and no amount of coping and seething will change that

The actual gameplay is good it's just super grindy

you dont just look up a guide lol

that argument could literally be applied to every single game out there

Both have skill expression.

buying boosts isn't skill expression

Both have an effective end of the game.

yeah when you unsubscribe. nu-blizzard is so drunk on engagement they'll keep you playing the game or you'll get fucked over with the metric tons of FOMO shit

Both have a story that you can follow and have it make sense.

LMAO imagine defending monkey at a typewriter tier shit after "the jailor"

Both have active PVP.

full of cheaters, bots and wintraders

Both have better transmog systems.

bruh your armor is spraypainted on

Both have different content than "Run the same 1 mission for components ad nauseam".

LMAO mythic+????

Both you can comfortably play with friends without them feeling completely worthless.

my friends aren't stupid enough to play blizzard games

Both have the ability to theorycraft builds instead of just generic metaslop.

both force you to be a metaslave or people will refuse to play with you, you mean

again: end yourself blizzard cultist

leaf game
government funded

yeah and if you could purchase them its p2w thats my point retard

what are you winning?

being forced to pay 15 dollars a month is a good thing actually

Personally I see it as p2w because I look at it more like

Step 1: spend 10 hours grinding for a gun, getting the mats for it, etc

Step 2: spend 10 hours upgrading it and learning how to mod and use it

And step 1 is just entirely bypassed by swiping. That being said I don't generally care if a game is p2w or not unless it's to an extreme degree like lost ark and thankfully Warframe is not even close to lost ark

buying boosts isn't skill expression

High end PVP tournaments aren't boosting.

yeah when you unsubscribe

Doesn't even make sense.

LMAO imagine defending monkey at a typewriter tier shit after "the jailor"

Never said it was good. I said you can follow it and have it make sense. The Warframe story starts with the main villain letting you run free just so he can chase you the entire game? Lol.

full of cheaters, bots and wintraders

Of course there are win traders in PVP. But let's not pretend it's every single game. One game of PVP is more than you will EVER get out of Warframe.

bruh your armor is spraypainted on

And yours is overdesigned slop that all looks identical to the next overdesigned slop mecha inspired thing next to it.

LMAO mythic+????

Since when is that the only thing to do in the game? The ONLY thing to do in Warframe is farm whichever mission has components you need. WoW has raids, PVP, dungeons, world quests, bosses, etc.

my friends aren't stupid enough to play blizzard games

Your friends play Warframe, so they are likely trans or from South America. Which is objectively worse.

both force you to be a metaslave or people will refuse to play with you, you mean

Nope. I have a high Raider.IO score with Demonology Warlock. Which is the worst class in the game. Truth is you can play anything and clear all the content. You're just gatekept because people recognize you as a retard.

Warframe thread without a single Reb pic in 130 posts

Is this a record?

toxic lich you're gonna get your ass handed to you

I shouldn't be surprised that a fuckibg moron that thinks the movement in warframe is incomprehensible would get fucked up by enemy toxin procs in a game where there is so many ways to negate status effects that you wonder ehy it even fucking exists

WARBROS #1000524

Take me back

It gatekeeps turdworlders like you, so yes, it is.

WARBROS #1

yes

Bro play Warframe it's so goo-AAAACKKKKK!

High end PVP tournaments aren't boosting.

LMAO what tournaments? Your average player doesn't participate in the actual tournaments (read: e-sports garbage) and just has a ladder climb

Doesn't even make sense.

I mean there's always shit to do and if you don't do it it's gone forever until you decide to pull the plug. The game feels like a job. God you're fucking stupid if you can't even grasp something that simple.

I said you can follow it and have it make sense.

No, you can't. A new player gets dumped in the middle of nowhere surrounded by freaks calling him "champion" and gets told to go watch 10 hours of loredumps to understand what the fuck is going on

Of course there are win traders in PVP. But let's not pretend it's every single game. One game of PVP is more than you will EVER get out of Warframe.

works on my machine.

And yours is overdesigned slop that all looks identical to the next overdesigned slop mecha inspired thing next to it.

sounds like just suck at looking good

Since when is that the only thing to do in the game? The ONLY thing to do in Warframe is farm whichever mission has components you need. WoW has raids, PVP, dungeons, world quests, bosses, etc.

lmao listing "bosses" as separate from dungeons and raids. lmao listing chores like world quests as "content"

Your friends play Warframe, so they are likely trans or from South America. Which is objectively worse.

you're playing the genre most widely known for being infested with trannies - fantasy MMOs - and this is the comeback you decided to go for?

worst class in the game

I never said anything about classes. You're guaranteed following some guide that tells you exactly what things you should equip what talents you should take what skills you should use. you are zero player agency and you may as well be running a bot. in fact you probably already do which how add-on infested that "game" has become lately

wow you can customize colors?

blizztroons are throwing stones from their glass houses again

also the fact the developers will humble themselves and listen to community feedback

fucking lmao
these fags actively delete anything they don't want to hear without a word (if you're lucky - they'll ban you otherwise)
It's a canadian developer. That's really all you need to know.
Best keep your head down and never engage with anything unless you enjoy walking on eggshells and risking your account at every turn.

Equinox is a canon woman and Xaku is they because it's literally three niggas. Temple is shit though yes.

I see where you're coming from. For me, however, it's that fact that it isn't PvP. You aren't getting an unfair advantage over other players. Sure, you can skip the grind, but once you get in the game, you'll have so much to do you won't even notice the timers in the foundry.
If someone sees Warframe as P2W, then any game that has any sort of micro-transactions is P2W. There's definitely degrees of shit, because I did hear Lost Ark is atrocious for it. Also Black Desert is as well? First Descendant was scummy, but allegedly its not as bad since I last played it. Since Warframe is F2P, it has to make its money somewhere.

LMAO what tournaments?

The ones hosted by Blizzard and Twitch almost every month.

I mean there's always shit to do

Having content to do is.. Le bad!

No, you can't.

You can. Perhaps not with a turdworlder reading comprehension. So maybe that is why you struggle.

works on my machine.

Kek you can't even convince the most avid Warframe players that the PVP scene isn't dead as fuck lol.

lmao listing "bosses"

Yes. Because unlike Warframe, bosses can exist outside a instance mission. There are countless world bosses with actual mechanics that require teams to do.

fantasy MMOs

Which is exactly what Warframe is lol. Except the massive part, since it's dead as fuck.

You're guaranteed following some guide that tells you exactly what things you should equip

Nope. I play what is fun. I equip what makes the fun even more fun. I've cleared M+ raids. All it requires is teamwork, something you have no concept of since every single Warframe instance is not a single person talking, running past everything and re-queuing lol.
Jej.

didnt the warframe devs just permaban a dude because he said he simply didnt like the new non-binary character on stream?
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Equinox is better than a woman, she's a Tomboy. Please correct yourself in the future.

also, Temple could technically be seen as a two dudes in one. Flare is the undeniable tranny

is that why he's still making WF videos?

no, you're making shit up. the streamer said he was a he and doubled down when "corrected". this really the angle you wanna go when your company doesn't even believe in genders anymore tho?

Canadian developer

trans-faggotry everywhere

general leftist babble (redundant)

It's shit. Garbage even.

oh no he misgendered a character intentionally aiiiee ban him before our trans playerbase finds out

why are you so threatened by an actual game? the people who play warframe actually want to play videogames. your disabled gamer dads won't be playing our game over your slow-ass "press glowy button" gameplay. maybe go smear your shit on a non-game more similar to yours, like XIV? i've heard their cultists are almost as zealous as you blizzdrones.

Of all the things to complain about WF, the movement is not one of them lol. I figured them out as a retard teenager in the last decade easily in like the first fucking hour of the game, anon.

kek yes bro its blizz removing genders

Warframe ""gameplay"'

jump past every single enemy until the final one where you kill him in 3 seconds

Lol

two grindniggers are arguing

lmao

two retards arguing that their game is less woke

funny

The ones hosted by Blizzard and Twitch almost every month.

So the e-sports garbage average players don't get to participate in. retard.

Having content to do is.. Le bad!

I suppose this is no problem for a troon like you who has no job and no responsibilities.

You can. Perhaps not with a turdworlder reading comprehension. So maybe that is why you struggle.

I suppose this is also not a problem for a faggot blizzcultists who has been groomed to consume nothing but Blizzard media. Funny how you conveniently left out the rest of the response.

Kek you can't even convince the most avid Warframe players that the PVP scene isn't dead as fuck lol.

"i-i don't believe you" not my problem

Yes. Because unlike Warframe, bosses can exist outside a instance mission. There are countless world bosses with actual mechanics that require teams to do.

LMFAO why are you such an awful liar? world bosses are zergfests and last i checked your dogshit servers couldn't even handle the stress which is why they have next to zero mechanics

>fantasy MMOs

Which is exactly what Warframe is lol. Except the massive part, since it's dead as fuck.

this retard thinks a game where you fly around spaceships and shoots things with guns is a fantasy game. and 4-player content isn't MMO. holy shit you really are fucking braindead.

every single Warframe instance is not a single person talking, running past everything and re-queuing lol.

every modern multiplayer game is like this. not only do you not play WF or WoW, you don't even play videogames. or maybe you do with your little discord troon clique and you pretend the whole game is like that.

keeps posting the one character

blizztroons need to learn some humility.

it just has such mediocre gameplay. I can't stomach how bad it feels.

WoW """""""""""""""""gameplay"""""""""""""""""

3112112112112112112 (BEWARE earrape) *moves out of fire* 112112112112

lol

NTA but WoW has objectively more gameplay than WF

wow you got a second one! only about a hundred more until you match WoW

NTA

my ass

He could have just stuck to gameplay and had a real argument about Warframe's problem, which I support because I uninstalled last month, but he spent half his time in this thread talking about how woke warframe is while defending blizzard in the same breath. lol

So the e-sports garbage average players don't get to participate in. retard.

How do you think those players got there, retard? They were just average players that climbed the ranks.

I suppose this is no problem for a troon like you who has no job and no responsibilities.

So you're now saying time commitment to a game is bad while simultaneously defending Warframes intense grind fest? Lol.

I suppose this is also not a problem for a faggot blizzcultists who has been groomed to consume nothing but Blizzard media. Funny how you conveniently left out the rest of the response.

Oh you mean just like how you ignored Warframe's story revolves around a dude letting you run free so he can chase you? HAHAHA. Nice "story" bro.

"i-i don't believe you" not my problem

You know you've lost when you can't even admit basic things everyone collectively acknowledges. PVP in Warframe is dead. Unless you want to wait around 45 minutes between games lmfao.

LMFAO why are you such an awful liar? world bosses are zergfests and last i checked your dogshit servers couldn't even handle the stress which is why they have next to zero mechanics

"i-i don't believe you!" Not my problem.

this retard thinks a game where you fly around spaceships and shoots things with guns is a fantasy game. and 4-player content isn't MMO.

If this is what you classify as an "MMO" then Borderlands is an MMO by your logic. But nobody would say that lol. Holy fuck you're a retard.

every modern multiplayer game is like this.

Wrong. Try being someone people want to talk to and this all changes. I know it's hard since you're still doing voice training, but try lol.

giving a they/them a giant codpiece

They don't really mean it.

a shooter will always be objectively better gameplay than a gallery of icons tab-target garbage and you are delusional or disabled if you think otherwise

The problem arose when I mentioned gameplay they instantly went to "Blizztroon!" which is the only reason I brought up Warframe being an infested axe wound of a game, mind you. They have no real defense to the criticisms provided, thus lashed out.

I'm... I'm gonna... I'm gonna buy Yareli Prime Access...

How do you think those players got there, retard? They were just average players that climbed the ranks.

Why the fuck are you advertising with something less than 0.1% of players can experience. I would ask if you're stupid but that's pretty fucking clear at this point. You know you've lost when you use marketting stunts as a selling point for your dogshit game.

So you're now saying time commitment to a game is bad while simultaneously defending Warframes intense grind fest? Lol.

Yes? It's a totally valid double standard because you're not paying DE for the privilege of logging in. You don't get fleeced for taking it slowly.

Oh you mean just like how you ignored Warframe's story revolves around a dude letting you run free so he can chase you? HAHAHA. Nice "story" bro.

cutscene skipper. i accept your concession.

You know you've lost when you can't even admit basic things everyone collectively acknowledges. PVP in Warframe is dead. Unless you want to wait around 45 minutes between games lmfao.

not even gonna bother replying since you think brick walling is a counterargument

"i-i don't believe you!" Not my problem.

Shameless fucking dishonest faggot. Google "wow world boss lag" and pick literally any result, especially from BfA.

If this is what you classify as an "MMO" then Borderlands is an MMO by your logic. But nobody would say that lol. Holy fuck you're a retard.

Why am I even bothering typing this shit if you can't read? I literally just said WF isn't an MMO. God you're so fucking retard I can call you a fucking retard and you won't even process that I've called you a fucking retard.

Wrong. Try being someone people want to talk to and this all changes. I know it's hard since you're still doing voice training, but try lol.

Yeah, you definitely don't play videogames outside of your discord troon clique. Not surprising really since Blizztroons are so averse to touch anything that isn't made by their holy commiefornian company.

Damn i need to see porn of her fat troll cock

do people actually think world fist raids and grind racing is competitive

cato sex

why do wowfaggots invade threads of games they don't play and show everyone how insecure they are about their dying game by smearing shit all over walls? this is like the third different game this shit happens regularly
MMOs are a dying genre faggot. there's a reason warframe dropped all the mmo shit. move on with your life.

You sure it's a wowfaggot? Might be the TFD schizo that seethes in every WF thread and spams about trannies.

Not bothering reading his paragraph of seethe. You lost. Warframe is dogshit. Poor turd worlders like you gotta keep defending it because of sunk cost fallacy. I accept your concession.
Best of luck on your transition though!

same but with WoW

Not bothering reading his paragraph of seethe.

I accept your concession. Now run with your tail between the hole where your dick used to be.

they dropped the mmo stuff because they didnt have the players to support it tho

wowfaggots are also obsessed with troons, have you opened a ff14 thread? that shit happens every thread. it's the exact same MO, they just barge in and start calling the game irredeemable dogshit, say wow is god's gift to gamers, and then flood the thread with their folder of troon-related images while pretending the games is above it all (don't ask them why they keep a collection of troon images)

Type that without your hands shaking next time.

deeply ironic post. especially the sunk cost fallacy. bro you're paying time and money to play your shitty game.
once again blizzdrones show not a drop of self-awareness

The community this game has combines the worst traits from the ARPG and MMO communities.
You get the spastic defenders of bad game design and the parasocial behavior they have with the devs. Sorry dummies, I won't spend 1000 hours playing a game so I can realize that the fun never existed in the first place. Destiny has the same type of community and they're just as pathetic. "Sunk cost fallacy the games"

Type that without Blizzard's estrogen-shrunk cock halfway down your throat next time.

Decorate

Calling that decoration is a stretch

cause it a mobile skinner box with fancy gfx

WF player

constantly thinking about shrunken estrogen dicks

Poetry.

look at a wow player

see a tranny

this is shocking for some reason

Is a good game and the devs behave like normal human beings, really is not that deep.

normal human beings

no. but it's not like a gachafag would know what a normal human being behaves like anyway

warframe is for cool sexy robots doing cool things with cool weapons

if you don't enjoy cool sexy robots or the weapon designs, there is not much pull for you

ostracise a streamer because he doesn't want believe in they/them bullshit

normal

Over designed dogshit

banned a streamer because he was using the in-game pause function while doing an endurance run solo. then accused him of cheating without evidence despite that he livestreamed the whole thing.

Just normal canadian things

A lot of the systems feel redundant and it's like layers build upon layers, built upon layers, made of popsicle sticks and glue at the bottom, but the parts that are fun, are pretty good

not really, my look is pretty default
here's vanilla Voruna

one of the games with the most insane fomo tactics to ever exists but one of the few f2p p2w games where you can also farm and trade premium currency, ive made over 10k platinum just selling prime junk and a couple of meta rivens

the most insane fomo tactics

???
even vaulted items are cheap as fuck considering only two frames get unvaulted every month

one of the games with the most insane fomo tactics to ever exists

there is no fomo, lol? everything comes back eventually, except for mag and frost heirloom which they got a ton of backlash for

then any game that has any sort of micro-transactions is P2W

yes, that is exactly the case.
If a game has any way to pay money for any advantage, so anything that isn't entirely cosmetic, it is pay to win
by
fucking
definition

what do you not understand about that?

its average fomo as much as in any mobshit/gacha or a game with a battlepass
WF is really a mobile game with its daily limits and wait-walls

Are you illiterate?

you literally cannot p2w in warframe
the best weapons(incarnon adapters) cannot be bought and must be grinded for
the most valuable frame modifications(archon shards) cannot be bought and you have to do pretty hard weekly endgame missions to farm them
the most valuable pets(hounds and panzer) need to be crafted

how is warframe p2w?

Because he saw you can buy warframes and some weapons for plat to skip the grind.

but anon, you can buy a different helmet for a character!! thats literal definiton of p2w!

are you?
you are defending that warframe isn't p2w because its only a little bit p2w so it doesn't count

its p2w
any game you can pay for an advantage is p2w
argue degrees, but there is no "its only a little so it doesn't count"
no, its p2w

can buy thing that has impact in game

if you can buy an advantage, its p2w.
at any point, in any way, its p2w.

you ain't winning anything in SP with a market-bought weapon and no good mods, especially galvanized mods, lmao

its only a little p2w

this is like when gacha players say you get lots of currency to roll for the stuff you like, that is what you sound like.

I have spent zero monies on the game and can obliterate on the Steel Path fine.

LMAO shut the fuck up you're really gonna compare a gun with an in-game, completely free acquisition method, that costs like a dozen relics's worth of trading if you're dumb enough to actually buy it off the market, to gachashit that require unironically HUNDREDS of dollars for a single character mixed with months worth of daily chores because they give like you like, 2 currency and some pocket lint once a day?
are you baiting? you're not doing a very good job at it

an advantage

is any game with a deluxe edition p2w because it gives you some starting weapons, then?

actual retard
what fucking advantage are you getting in this game over the other players?

if you grind enough you can get all the good things

gacha players say the same shit
it doesn't apply there
it doesn't apply here

if you can pay for an advantage, its p2w.

you need to buy the thing to play

are subscriptions p2w then

no retard, they are pay to play, you cannot even engage with them without spending money.

lets just change what pay to win means

cant believe Oblivion became p2w when they released the horse armor dlc

I got permabanned for calling nezha a femboy.

I'd love this game if it was in first person

You can't swooce

gacha players say the same shit

no they don't
gachas don't let you grind, you get an incredibly limited amount of currency every day (but only if you do your good boy chores!) and you have to skip characters and only take the characters you REALLY want. and you can absolutely forget "unlocking its full potential" with multiple pulling bullshit if you don't want to open your wallet
saying this is the same thing as buying a weapon you can get it for free in ~30mins of work at most is an absolutely fucking insane thing to say

same, I was looking forward to Khazan but the P2W stuff totally turned me off....

sounds like you just are coping and have never understood what you are talking about
pay to wins means you can pay for an advantage, so that, if things were equal with someone else, you would win, because of the advantage

this is why people talk about DEGREES of p2w, you can feel free to say its TRIVIALLY p2w, that it has no impact on the actual game, but its STILL p2w, by definition.

no one cares if when you are asked about how p2w it is and you say

"none of the stuff you can buy matters so it isn't really p2w"

but saying it isn't p2w at all is just absolutely false, your opinion on how tangible that advantage is vs there existing one or not at all is very different.

they quite literally do and there are dozens of gacha games entirely built around grinding and spending the money to have to grind less.

so anything that isn't cosmetic

are you illiterate?

Buddy, the game had vaulting long before Destiny 2 had it. There are 217 items( weapons, frames cosmetics) that cannot be obtained outside random Baro sales or prime sales (premium currency only). You're gonna argue "its not necessary and other stuff is viable and better" yet the collector will be affected because they cannot own everything; if you want anything that's vaulted then tough.

skipping some grind is winning

when its faster to work a minimum wage job to get the thing than the play the game, then yeah, its very p2w.

this is why people talk about DEGREES of p2w, you can feel free to say its TRIVIALLY p2w, that it has no impact on the actual game, but its STILL p2w, by definition.

this is "umm this isn't a TRUE ROGUELIKE" levels of autism
yes, you are "technically" correct. but in practicality, you are a petty retard.

Warframe Vault opens every 3 months with a few things coming back every time.
Stuff actually comes OUT of the vault. Thats why its called a vault and not just deleting it from the game.
If you're so addicted to FOMO that you have to have everything RIGHT NOW, then you deserve to have your money taken from you. Me? I just wait until the thing I want comes out of the vault and get it the same way I get all my stuff, in game.

implying anyone in this thread is doing financing to afford some guns in warframe

Warframe is the game people play to fill the void when they're bored with everything else for the day.

I don't think warframe is trivially p2w, it was an example.
If you tell me this mmo sells weapons that are marginally better than the starting weapons you get for creating a character that are clearly meant to be used as cosmetics not actually something you use then yeah, its obviously trivially p2w by definition, arguably it would just be them being shitty developers than intending for it to be p2w, but by definition.

if its faster to go to work than play the game for the thing, its obviously very p2w and they would rather you do that then play the game and are intending to get people who have less time on their hands than their friends to spend money to keep up with them.

prime resurgence is monthly now

(premium currency only)

a prime access pack(1 frame + 2 weapons) is about 250p on launch, and that's as expensive as it will ever be. you can trade corrupted mods and other random bullshit for 10p each. 25 trades can be done across 3-5 days. You can now trade other players for the prime pieces you want.

also this

gay redditors

if its faster to go to work than play the game for the thing,

it sounds like you just don't like the game if you'd rather pay to not play it
i'm pretty sure a NEET or even a kid in school has an easier time playing this game than a wageslave since the grinds are so pathetically short since they have all the time in the world to grind relics for plat

FPBP
my favorite skinner box/carrot on a stick/treadmill
i might be going nowhere but i feel good going

anon its not about doing it because you hate the game
its about people who regularly work jobs deciding they want X thing to go do Y, potentially because they know people who are doing Y and want to join in on it and the only reason they need to get X to do Y is because the game designed that way so they can get people to spend money.
obviously children and neets don't have the money and spend time instead, but if you have never actually played online games with larger communities and encountered people who spend money from their day job on games its a lack of exposure on your part causing you to concoct these scenarios about people you don't even engage with.

if you don't understand why someone would spend money on something that others are it means you are not the target demographic for the product they are making, which it is a product after all, and you playing it or not is incidental to them and you will not catered to.
you can argue about shit all you like, but someone had to spend money for ANY of the platinum you have, someone bought that, if people did not feel compelled to spend money on the game you would not be able to trade others for it.

i'm a wageslave with a decently paying job and i think buying weapons with plat is retarded. even in a hypothetical scenario where i bought plat using tons of those 75% off vouchers

Because it's fun to play when you're bored of everything else and just want to kill time.

old content doesn't become completely irrelevant when newer content comes out

Railjack

Standard starchart that isn't one of the few farming spots

Steelpath missions outside of the alerts

Essentially all arching missions

And now with the weekly rotations

All old frame farming missions

I have one friend. All he does is play Warframe and various other literal Roblox skinner boxes. He has every single item in Warframe. When a new item is released, he obtains it. This is what he does in life.

This. I got nothing else at the moment. I've caught up quite a bit and maybe think it's time to actually play and finish BG3

all this crying about the game being shit, and here i am not playing the game because the new war was the biggest dogshit (and the tranny pandering)

Duviri really made old Frame farming less of a headache but a problem for the helminth, so you really need those free warframe and weapon slots off every nightwave

sunk-cost

there is literally no cost lmao, destiny players in shambles

"yeah but I wouldn't do that!"

okay and? you aren't the target market.
People ARE buying it, if they were not, you would not be able to trade for it.
if literally everyone did what you suggested and never bought it, then you would never be able to trade for it and exactly what you are saying would not be possible.

There are plenty of things in the game that are obviously not p2w, plenty that are most likely a waste of money to buy instead of just playing the game, but there are also things that are very obviously p2w

but when some retard argues

well you can just trade for platinum instead of buying it!

no
SOMEONE bought that plat, just because YOU didn't buy it doesn't mean that isn't the case.
the fact that people ARE spending that money is a clear case enough.

if you start asking me for specific examples I will be unable to provide good ones for you as I haven't played in a very long time and wasn't super into the game. If you enjoy the game and have no problem with the level of p2w it offers then who gives a fuck
but you don't need to delude yourself into thinking it isn't p2w at all in the slightest.

I played runescape for years and people would cope about the game not being p2w when you could effectively buy gold off other players directly through the game and even if I don't think its a big deal since even if you can't there will be "illegal" gold sellers on a market focused game its still pretty clear that you can spend money for an advantage.
People often wondered why I would spend the $35 a year on the subscription instead of just buying bonds and then I would hear them complain about bond prices and its like you don't seem to understand that SOMEONE has to buy that bond, you are selling gold for money to another person to pay for a subscription and they just don't seem to understand that.
hearing people talk about warframe is the exact same to me, its obviously p2w, just because you are fine to the degree which it doesn't mean it isn't

Leveling is also trivial now the moment you unlock Brutus

the first descendant will take over soon
just give them 4 more years

Brutus

who?

Jade's Warframe farm spot, is literally a free XP buffed elevator map full of lvl 50's and mainly eximus.
It goes as

Fast Wartframe Leveling with affinity buff?

Brutus, Uranus

Leveling Archwing and farm shit with buffs

Salacia, Neptune

oh, they brought back the elevator forever? I thought it was an event? yeah, i went there to get my LR1. all those fucking eximus units

warframe

p2w

not him but are you retarded
there is no level of p2w, spending money does not make you more powerful

yeah is easy to lvl fast now with a affinity buff there, and everyone does it all time.

brutilizing uranus for xp

How much better is it than Elara on SP?

stockholm syndrome, mostly
plus the devs knew how to shake things up without being too silly
im still not coming back tho, im just gonna wait for soulframe

it has a ton of people, there is a ton of eximus and the xp is fast.

anything with an expansion or dlc is pay2win then? WoW and its fanbase is so cancer