"We want to unite the wasteland!"

god I want to be inside Loona

Then they should stop expanding for a while and build up some functioning industry, cause their plan to go all the way to the pacific is not happening in their current state
Speaking of robotics........ the future is bright........

they intentionally gimp lower ranks gear until they prove themselves

House is a joke and is on the verge of exploding. Literally all he had to manage was a single city and he failed to do that, everyone in that city either hates him and is chomping at the bit to betray him or is indifferent to him.

I unironically would use that mod and I like Loona

*don't like loona

guns jam, bullets run out.
grug smash is forever

Then they should stop expanding for a while and build up some functioning industry,

They flat out cannot do this, because, again, loose confederation kept in power by Caesar's cobbled together ideology and personal charisma; he needs military victories and constantly influx of slaves and pillage to keep everyone in line.

Luddite power fantasy. The rare example where they're NOT shown as the heroic underdogs that overcome technology with the blessing of mother earth and win in the end, something something triumph of the human spirit something something return to nature

Bear. Bull.

gets turned into swiss cheese from a range

Then the legion is doomed to collapse, if the only way they can sustain themselves is via constant (successful) warfare then they will either have their expansion checked by someone else or they will run out of people to conquer and then implode anyway
Yeah

they aren't trying to sustain forever, just until ncr who are running on pre war tech fall apart when they run out, atleast that's the philosophy

they perform as well as they do because the writing dictates that

NCR is a joke and doomed to repeat the mistakes that lead to the apocalypse

I think that was intentional, I always felt like that was also the point of the brotherhood and the enclave, most of the main factions always seemed like they were different versions of that point. "War doesn't really change much" or whatever the guy says

Relevant ITT
youtu.be/aDaOgu2CQtI

if the only way they can sustain themselves is via constant (successful) warfare then they will either have their expansion checked by someone else or they will run out of people to conquer and then implode

I guess they take their (western) Roman Empire LARP extremely seriously then.

as long as you don't do it ironically

I wish rome had done things differently
How do you use a mod ironically?

How do you use a mod ironically?

I would assume you do the opposite of what you'd do if you were to use it unironically I suppose

Doesn't have a civilization to support its efforts

Reliant on constant expansion

Only subjugates and destroys cultures it beats

Represses anything other than mindless servitude except for spies

Kills its own leaders for failures outside of their control

No culture or identity that can be used to build a society

There's no way to salvage the situation if Caesar wins or loses

Lol
You read my mind. The Legion could be the best civilization around if they did things differently. Subtract the slavery and general brutality, add modern technology and infrastructure, have a firm yet fair hand over the population, give them food, water, medical help, hell give em refrigerators, even ones that don't need electricity like iceboxes, distribute ice boxes, on paved roads, guarded by disciplined (non savage) soldiers holding guns, etc etc. Legion could be the GOAT. Instead they are just raiders who are LARPing as romans. Real romans would not have tolerated this shit.

Unification was not a problem of discipline or power struggle but service and quality of life. New Vegas offered a bare minimum when it came to services and life conditions yet people still wanted to go there and live there. It was possible to turn this place into oasis.

The Legion in its current state cannot turn new vegas into an oasis

this, people would be more tolerant and even supportive of them if they chilled out with the violence (against their people) and incentivized people to keep them in power. If enough people approved of how they did things, the slavery wouldn't even really be necessary after a while. but as it stands they're kind of just dicks and the only thing they provide is just "be glad we didn't crucify or enslave you, degenerate"

Why's he wearing a coalburner on his head?

>refuses to use non - melee weapons en masse

false, majority of the legion uses guns except for recruits (who are cannon fodder) and veterans (who are experienced and armored enough to use melee effectively)

>refuses to use medical tech en masse

that's because they don't have a strong supply of it, soldiers are taught not to rely on rare technology that can only be scavenged with their level of tech

>refuses to use robots en masse

robots are even more rare than stims, nobody uses them en masse except for bos and mr house. the securitrons in the bunker could only be controlled from the lucky 38 so caesar was right to destroy it

>basically just goes with bare minimum tech for everything

they go with whatever they can afford, they use howitzers if you help them fix it, they bought energy weapons from van graffs

Yeah, everything Legiom touches turns into o ass, lmao. This faction ends with Caesar's death, they are just glorified band of raiders.

Imagine if the Legion caused people to run towards them instead of away from them
Then they need industry
Pretty much

lol

trail carbine is the most optimized gun in the game and that's what legion uses. they have surplus of people there is no need for all of them to have good equipment.

Legion also needs try generating its own electricity instead of having the dam be their end game power wise

The legion needs machine guns not hunting carbines

legion needs to waste ammo with caliber that can't penetrate anything more than radroach

Machine guns will turn NCR soldiers into swiss cheese, and this isn't even factoring in suppressive fire as a military tactic.

It’s less about social democracy being the problem and more about the version that the NCR uses being the problem.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day and caesar is right when he points out that the NCR is a democracy/republic only in name

It doesn't matter if the Legion's lack of industry and leadership issues will eventually lead to their collapse. They are a threat now. All the factions have issues, but in the here and now, they have the capacity to wage war for the Mojave and that is the timeframe you are working on.

Good point.

Bingo.

You are right, they are basically like the Mongol empire under Genghis Khan, its all gonna collapse when the guy running it is gone, and he is only staving off collapse by continuing to expand constantly. Which cannot continue forever, but could last long enough for the leader to not have to life to see what was always inevitable.
Man I'm thinking about a benevolent legion that allies with house, damnit caesar stop being so retarded.

So so what happens to new vegas after house wins? How will they avoid getting spit roasted by the NCR and Legion down the line?

I don't think his accusations were entirely merited. They basically amounted to Tandi being dictator for life and her being the only thing keeping the cobbled NCR together by force of personality which, while possibly true, is a VERY pessimistic outlook at what the NCR is attempting to be from a very, very shaky starting position. The fuck does he expect Tandi to do? She was a force for stability at a time when any attempt at forming a functioning society needs stability above all else. Instead of damning the woman (and her dad I guess) for being effective at the job, commend her for taking it this far, I say. That DOES NOT mean the NCR can't become what it professes to be

Caeser points out that the NCR has resembled a hereditary monarchy since day 1, IIRC. Haven't all its leaders been related?

Luddite

That's a funny way of saying chad.

no

You mean suicidally retarded.

suicidally retarded

alpha shit, you wouldn't understand

For starters, House will have more power directed to Vegas, full control of the Dam and an army of upgraded Securitrons. As for NCR, they are spread too thin and bloated with bureaucracy and corruption. Top that off with the citizens being unwanting to do another military campaign to the Mojave, even better if Kimball survives because that anger will be directed at him instead of House. Legion kills Caesar for the failure and Lanius goes down too, they will be leaderless and the tribes will splinter off and fall to chaos. Divided, the Legion will end and be a more manageable threat and certainly not a threat to the Mojave anymore.

implodes

Makes sense

Has a harem of slaves

Literally fucks

Literally crucifies degenerates.

Yea okay nerd.

Caesar literally says the Legion isn't designed to last it's purpose is to conquer the NCR and control it

refuses to use non - melee weapons en masse

based

refuses to use medical tech en masse

based

refuses to use robots en masse

based

basically just goes with bare minimum tech for everything

based
this anon..? based

Why did a coalburner get skinned.

You tell me profligate

refuses to use non - melee weapons en masse

Why do people keep saying this? From in-game it's clear as day they use guns too.

The legion will never make it through the mountains and you can forget about ever seeing the pacific ocean
Literally a faggot retard
The legion makes people run away from it instead of towards it
They should use guns exclusively like the NCR

They should use guns exclusively like the NCR

t. troon ncr supporter

Why pick any side but Independent?

I just cannot take anyone seriously who pretends yes man is a legitimate option

it doesnt solve anything or create any sort of future beyond just speedruning back through another cycle of conflict and essentially just creating power vacuum for a bunch of low tier tribals to war with each other over power. no matter what you do the ending mentions that new vagas becomes dramatically unstable and violent to the point where the followers are completely overwhelmed

why pick a side instead of just mating pressing sunny until you die?

I'm a house supporter
House is the best
This
I'd rather mating press Loona

because i can choose independent AND mating press sunny in my vegas suite

in the time it takes you to get the independant ending sunny has already mated with her dog dozens of time, poor choice anon

Every ending is destined to repeat the mistakes because its the core idea of the games. War, war never changes. For Vegas itself though, its the rejection of East and West and letting the Mojave be its own entity. The Courier can have few allies or many, with their securitron army and Yes Man running Vegas.

when you put it that way, it's always been too late

seggs with cute mutes

lol
house is objectively better than yes man

Are Tunnelers really that dangerous?

true i hope you understand now why legion is the correct choice

my problem is that no matter what you do the canon yes man ending is "shit hit s the fan and courier fucks off" with literally the only positive being that the king can kind of hold hid shit down somewhat if you help them

regardless of whether every choice repeats the cycle, with either house or the NCR there is a season for everything and you might get some generations of stability out of it. with yes man its just straight back into chaos and violence for no particular benefits since its not like whomever comes out on top will be any better than house or the ncr anyway

this

That's because on the NCR side:

refuses to use tactics

ncr side is shooting civilians and then watching their female ""soldiers"" getting raped by raiders

It is the freedom and anarchy choice. Anarchy doesn't last long because people actually like order and stability. You'll have places like Goodsprings but also raiders like the Fiends.

NCR is incompetent but not as bad as the legion is
House is better

the canon yes man ending is "shit hit s the fan and courier fucks off"

who are you quoting?

NTA however the yes man ending makes things worse for new vegas, its partial anarchy

my internal monologue

depends on the type of ending you get, same as all of them

oh nevermind that's based

House is objectively the best ending with the most stability and best quality of life for the people

Lorelets in this thread

The Legion absolutely uses firearms massively, they just don't rely on them. They are trained to use melee so they are always a weapon no matter the supply or situation. The NCR troops also have incredibly shitty rifles with mass produced and shitty ammo, the whole point is that the Government is just funnelling mass into one flashpoint. Pound for Pound the average Legionary is greater then the average Trooper however the Trooper with proper leadership and supplies can absolutely win however the average Trooper in the Mojave doesn't have that. The Legion are also completely obsessed with winning so using technology such as a Dirty Bomb is completely on the table as is energy weapons if the situation required it. Caesar is also not some kind of tribal chief who would let honour deny him a victory and his army is certainly not a "loose confederation of former raiders", that is retarded. The Legion kills the men and raises the boys as Legionaries, nothing else. If the Legion make an alliance with raider's such as the Khan's then that is no "confederation", the Legion are lying till they wipe out any identity other then Mars induced fanaticism. That being said I personally like Mr House. For me it's House>Legion>NCR. Yes Man doesn't count because whilst it is cool it is completely your personal fanfic so who knows.

yeah i can tell from the kids chasing rats for food that House knows how to run a city

house is better

eh. he can’t even control half a city and yet he believes he can control mankind’s entire future. his management of vegas is extremely fucking retarded which is a big issue when his entire plan revolves around it’s long-term stability and longevity

quality of life

what the fuck does this mean and why do leftoids use it?

They would become a nuisance in the Mojave but not an actual threat. They're bitey and there's lots of them but a fire gecko would send them running, let alone a properly prepared wastelander. I'd expect them showing up as sideshows in the thorn within a year.

The legion is incompetent and its only in fallout that soldiers can tank bullets and keep charging to melee kill you
He isnt in full control unless you get his ending
It means trying to return life back to pre-war levels dumbass

Legion has infiltrating spies, transport sabotage, presidential assassinations, supply routes cut off and radio codes cracked, NCR just throws more raw recruits in and waits.

He isn't in full control with his ending, he depends on the Courier for everything

He just isn't that competent

If anything I think he was kind of admiring Tandi/how the system was running. Her popularity made her an effective autocrat. His disdain was that the second Tandi was out of power began the rapid decay due to Democracy "In Earnest", its either part of what shapes his ideals or atleast reinforces his idea of a strong man leader cutting through bullshit. To him the NCR was at its peak when it was a democracy in name only.

For me, it's Angela

The Robotics and advanced technology in the Fallout Universe won't last. There's no industry to manufacture more components, you'll meet diminishing returns with prospecting and eventually shit will start breaking down with no possibility to repair it.

You can't manufacture a modern pencil without a global supply chain, what makes anyone think they can maintain advanced robotics for a long period of time?

House's securitrons would eventually start falling apart. There's no possibility of New Vegas being independent without them, the tribals and Casino families would eventually make a move for power and then it'd be invaded from the outside again.

Read the OP
House is the emperor and the courier is darth vader, not equating house or the courier to bad people however their power dynamic is the same

What is life like for the average tribal in Fallout?

If you don't live in NCR or Legion territory is it a hellhole?

Nah best for the average Mojave citizen is independent with all the side content done.

He has nothing to work with until the chip is delivered. You need numbers, a show of force to sit at the negotiatin table.

Don't put too much thought into it. They're just a glorified wipe the slate clean option for the writers.

You are being idiotic if you are matching lore with gameplay mechanics such as "one bullet doesn't kill an enemy". The Legion routinely ambushes, bushwhacks, blows up and even snipes with high powered rifles their enemies. The Legion is the furthest thing from incompetent, they are actively winning the war and without the Courier's input they have the battle in the bag.

favourite legion pic?

OP has been disproven already.

Cait talks mad shit for a rape victim, she thinks it won't happen again?

Not only do they have guns, but Bitter Drink and Hydra are objectively superior medical items to stimpaks and doctor's bags.

true

There are still operable production lines in Vegas alone. Quarry junction is set up for materials. Also consider for over 200 years the robots kept working and operating.

Depends where, the sorrows had a nice thing going, even with the white legs being assholes. So long as civilisation and it's associated raiders aren't breathing down your neck you can have a pretty comfy life.

The legion needs to out shoot the NCR not be forced to use asymmetrical warfare with melee weapons mixed in

Loona and anon

Evidently they don't because the NCR exclusively arms their soldiers with 5.56 rifles, which is canonically only a varmint round in the Fallout universe. (as opposed to real life, where it can kill more than just rats)

Seeming as the Legion is winning that asymmetric war then they 'need' to do nothing.

Why? Asymmetrical warfare is working fine. Legion doesn't need to be able to line up all their troops and fire at the NCR troops identically lined up opposite them until one side is all dead if they can cut off all supply lines and the NCR runs out of bullets.

tfw you buckbreak ulysses

full control

not really. as another anon said he relies on the courier and his robots to do everything, which can both only do so much. his plan is admirable, but not really feasible

Why would anyone try to seduce Benny?

If the courier believes in the cause and doesn't try to fuck house over then it will all work, the courier is being groomed to be house's successor

It's not even a plan, it's a pitch. The ending slides show he focuses on his snowglobe slice of old Vegas and never once mention the grand schemes he rattled off making any headway.

I was disappointed that Honest Hearts didn't offer a way to side with the White Legs.

as you say, it's dependent on the courier. house isn't really in full control at any point.

White legs are doomed no matter what, the legion considers them fodder to be thrown at Caesars enemies until they've exhausted their numbers, then discarded.

that time Buckley actually made a funny comic

because my courier has low CHA and benny was the first iota of male attention she's received in 30 years

why is your courier a hag?

As I said before, a modern pencil has a global supply chain. the granite comes from one part of the world, the timber from another, the materials for the rubber from another. No man on earth could by himself manufacture a modern pencil. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, all the maintenance on the technology that exists in Fallout is just relying on scrap, which is limited in quantity. It's just another resource they're burning through.

An area the size of New Vegas could patch up what they have for a generation at most. They could manufacture early 20th century technology such as dynamite, steel and perhaps basic firearms in artisan workshops in limited quantities. Very limited quantities, they'd have the advantage of cheap power from hoover dam, reserves of scrap from the Old Vegas ruins, but nothing else.

Also consider for over 200 years the robots kept working and operating.

It's a fantasy game so there's suspension of disbelief. But the fact is eventually the robots will begin to break down. The Legion is right in the sense that old technology isn't coming back, it'll continue to regress until everyone is on the level of The Legion.

perchance. but here’s a question, is that cause even really worth following? his entire plan is longevity for the sake of it at any cost, to me that seems pretty sovlless. even in his ending slides it’s said that vegas becomes coldly efficient

Yeah, the NCR is corrupt, the legion is crazy and brutal, and the yes man ending is anarchy. House is the only one that wants to actually get down to brass tacks about how to repair the world with science at the forefront of it all.
House better get to work on getting their own production going ASAP.

If only House was competent.

Do you believe a twenty year old woman would survive a redneck traveling life?

duh... me hope ur packing more than nine millimeters.

What did she mean by this?

Producing what and how? It took a population in the hundreds of millions and a functional world to create those production lines in the first place. New Vegas has a population of what, a few hundred thousand? A good portion of those destitute, uneducated and living in poverty.

Let's just assume it has a population of a million, that's not enough to have the economies of scale to maintain science fiction tier industry.

at least as well as a hag

No man on earth could by himself manufacture a modern pencil

Wood

wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323864304578316132672998200

Graphite

usgs.gov/data/graphite-deposits-united-states

Rubber

ci.uky.edu/irj/rural-blog/us-looking-producing-its-own-rubber-industry-could-offer-hardy-crop-jobs-and-less

Aluminum

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauxite_mining_in_the_United_States

If she was cool like my Six she would

even if somehow everything goes right and the courier is the perfect donut oc who fixes all of Houses problems forever (not likely, everything dies nigga), the biggest problem with House still remains. which is that he doesn’t give a shit about anything else outside of his grand plan. he wants to “save” humanity and yet he’s completely detached from it.

I can't breed.

Why did he think his mutants would be able to?

They have to start somewhere. House talks about sending people to other worlds as a distant goal, for now they need to remake new vegas into its pre-war glory, and then work from there.
He didn't know they couldn't breed.

Sitting in a tree

are there any non-Brotherhood cults in New Vegas like in the other games?

I think house cares about humanity as a whole and sees the big picture, he is willing to crack a few double digit IQ wastelander eggs if it means he gets his rebuilding project omelette, I agree with his mentality.

youtube.com/watch?v=67tHtpac5ws

It takes thousands of people and a production line spanning a large distance for just pencil production. Even if you confine all the resources to the United States, you are still having a continental wide supply chain.

That's not even getting into the fact that there was a Resource War that burnt up most of the readily accessible fuel globally such as oil and coal. Sure, Hoover Dam could power things, but that's a lot of time spent maintaining transformers, batteries and power cables. Which in turn, is maintained by scrap. Using electricity to provide the heat to melt scrap steel instead of oil or coal powered furnaces is so wildly inefficient too.

The Fallout universe would encounter peak scrap exactly like the Fallout pre-war encountered peak oil. Eventually things will break, and at first they'll break and there will be things to fix it with, but eventually those spare parts become scarce. It'll be an exponential decline as well as the loss of some technology prevents maintenance of other technology.

Mr House's dreams of space exploration are absolutely delusional, considering the circumstances, and he has no real plans for New Vegas.

Why didn't he just cut off people's penises and balls before dipping them, and then graft them back on after they've been made into Super Mutants?

no

I am convinced they could come up with a way to ensure they can write. They need to start rebuilding, instead of just surviving.

again, he’s so focused on the big picture that he misses the small things, which is apparent with his management of vegas in game. and again, that’s a big issue when those small things undermine his entire plan.
I personally see his vision of humanity to be sovlless as fuck but if you wanna be a cog in another mans great machine go ahead nigga

pic

I wanna see humanity start playing stellaris IRL, both in our timeline and the fallout one

average femoid FNV fan

Thats hypergamy for you

they need to flesh out more areas

The game makes it 100% clear that without the courier the Legion would have absolutely stomped the second battle.

NCR was run into the ground and haven't recovered

NCR leader was falsifying reports because he thought the whole thing was boondoggle

Whole area including the NCR is seeded with Legion agents and spies

NCR would have lost their supply lines without the Courier

NCR and Rangers were barely working together

NCR assuring itself all the Legion knows is forward charge aggression like Graham, but the Legion have adapted

The NCR missions are almost all you fixing a region, saving a region, stopping a Legion plan, basically single handedly preventing a total NCR collapse. Meanwhile Legion missions are all you just going and helping out with a plan that's already in motion.

Dang even in the post-apocalypse seattle is still full of shit

I had a thought this morning if The Long 15 and Dry Wells were accessible before being nuked. Just for the sake of giving the player a taste of what an actual Legion settlement is like, or what the NCR is like outside the politics and troubles of the Mojave.
Maybe only let the locations be accessible for players with idolized reputation in the respective faction, since otherwise you have to nuke them to access them.

I'll give you an example of the sorts of problems you'd face.

A large transformer atop a raised pylon breaks. There's no vehicles, so a guy has to go on horse, brahmin or foot to check over and confirm the problem. There's no easy way to climb up it for maintenance, so a scaffold needs to be built.

It's been two hundred years so all the proprietary scaffolding has long since rusted away. Wood is pretty scarce too because it's been used for combustible fuel so often or rotten away, and there's not much growing in the middle of the Mohave. So you have to spend your time finding the right amount of steel tube and couplers to get to that height with a raised platform, then maybe dismount some steel doors off some buildings to make a working platform. Then because the fault is in an inaccessible part of the transformer, you'll need to lift the entire unit out. Which would be done using a crane, but would in this instance either need chain-blocks and counterweights (good luck moving a ton of weight into the middle of the desert without cars) or dozens of men and ropes.

Already you're looking at a job that's at least 10x harder than the same job in today, easily ten times more expensive. And that's just assuming the parts are actually there for it. What if there isn't the right spanner size available and they end up wearing out the thread with the wrong size, meaning they have to grind the large bolt off? Then to mount the unit back in place they'd need to weld it to hold it, which would require carting a welder out there. Another machine carted out, which needs to be roped up the scaffold, used, and then carted back home.

And these are people living in absolute poverty doing this, who are living at the sustenance level. They don't have the time, money or energy to waste over a week working in the middle of the desert like that, especially when it becomes questionable half way through the job whether it can be done.

I don't know what the alternative is. House has to basically go "total war" but in terms of using what they have to rebuild. They have all the stuff lying around them and the knowledge of how everything works. There is no way that nuclear war = earth is perma fucked. If house has to he can start to invade the NCR and/or legion to gain territory or maybe resource concessions.

Source?

"Tech-fearing luddite" is a value system I just cannot see eye to eye with. Unless you just want to live a simple life on a farm or something. But it's no foundation for a ruling party.

The alternative is to do what he was doing before the game started, submit to a larger power on agreeable terms as a vassal (the NCR is perfect for this). Gain access to their market, use the cheap power from hoover dam to power really basic industry, and manufacture goods for export back west using the train line that's being built.

Electricity is the big resource bottleneck in this universe as there's no potential energy in the form of oil or coal left. Eventually California itself would be starved of electricity, and be forced to provide raw materials for Nevada for energy expensive production. California is population rich and resource rich (comparatively) due to the reserves of scrap from the boneyard. They'd struggle to find use for that scrap, so they'd be sending it out to Nevada where there's energy to transform it into something new.

Steel and copper could easily become the specialized products. Shift production right close to Hoover Dam so you're not sending power across the desert and just do your best to maintain those furnaces. Melt the scrap and immediately manufacture it into new basic machine tools, and things like shovels, axes, farming equipment, and send it back west in exchange for food.

Industry will eventually totally collapse and the world would revert to 18th century technology at best. But for the short term House would have a lot of power within the NCR. Without the NCR he has no easy export market and wouldn't have an avenue to feed the local industry.

Seems like the NCR and house need to just spam hydroelectric dams since oil and coal are not options. Then they need to stop being reliant on scrap. They need to be able to build stuff the same way the pre-war world did.

Just call Nate over and have him build a few mini-nuclear generators in your settlements

He doesn't know

Seems like the NCR and house need to just spam hydroelectric dams since oil and coal are not options

Hydroelectric is geography dependant and simply not an option for everyone. And even they're pretty hard to build if you don't have an industrial base. But yeah, that's what would eventually happen to an extent. Hoover Dam is basically the Ghawar in the post war fallout universe as it's built like a sold tank and provides plentiful electricity. There's a good chance House could end up sitting on the most industrial part of earth for the longest time if he doesn't fuck it up. Forget the robots or the casino, the true value of Nevada is in the dam and only the dam.

They need to be able to build stuff the same way the pre-war world did.

It will never happen because of the resource wars, they've burnt through all the readily accessible materials to industrialize easily. Back when people were mining by hand, the amount of ore to rock being pulled out was like 1:10 or 1:20. Copper mines in our world right now are operating at like .25% purity, literally a ratio of 1:400. They are profitable only because there's economies of scale with massive trucks and engines churning that dirt over at such a rapid speed.

There's massive piles of scrap metal that's just lying around everywhere in Fallout due to the war. But it's not unlimited, it's in set quantities, and there will never again be new metals entering the market. Once that becomes scarce, it's over, no matter what you do. It wouldn't even be 18th century technology, you'd be back to before the Bronze Age.

Maybe you're right, I can't remember what the lore says about other natural resources beyond oil, which it says definitely got depleted. Apart from the one oil rig the Enclave sits upon.

It's a videogame where people retard run at a guy emptying 60+ 5.56 rounds into a guy in football pads, and people don't render in outside of buildings. Charging people with guns without guns hasn't worked since the mid-19th century.

Cope or bot post. Call it.

As I said above, it's dependent on the state of the rest of the world and exactly what resources got used up and where, and the lore is silent on that. It seems like for the short term at least things are on the uphill at the start of Fallout New Vegas. NCR and Legion are in expansion, there's basic manufacturers and massive interregional trade. The fact they all have so much energy to waste on a war over a dam shows things are going well, such a large conflict would be a luxury neither side could afford if things were declining.

I've always interpreted it to be a short lived golden age built on scrap. There seems to be massive euphoria on all sides, with the NCR so sure of their manifest destiny, the Legion so sure of becoming the New Rome and House huffing hopium over space travel.

It is a fantasy game at the end of the day. Post apocalyptic stuff is really as fanciful as Swords and Sorcery and has the same sort of romanticization. The whole point of the inclusion of FEV was to give the world fantastical mutant creatures to fill the role of orcs (super mutants) and other enemies.

I think the resource wars happened because Earth's population eclipsed even what we have now IRL, and they never made the jump to renewables. With Earth having a small fraction of the population, even having 1/20th of the original resources would be enough, especially given that the goal (short and medium term) is not to rebuild the entire planet, but isolated pockets. Then we go get more resources from outer space.

refuses to use tactics

You can thank the Gamebryo™ engine and PS3/360 era hardware for that. youtu.be/fK-msJg6BEw

I don't know what the NCR was thinking human wave charging across open ground into entrenched with cover BOS men with power armor and superior weapons

The Bomber: Explosives, Lockpick, Repair
The Commando: Explosives, Guns, Repair
The Cowboy: Guns, Melee Weapons, Repair
The Criminal: Explosives, Guns, Lockpick
The Demolitionist: Energy Weapons, Explosives, Science
The Diplomat: Barter, Medicine, Speech
The Doctor: Energy Weapons, Medicine, Science
The Fixer: Guns, Repair, Science
The Heavy: Energy Weapons, Guns, Repair
The Infiltrator: Energy Weapons, Lockpick, Science
The Knight: Energy Weapons, Repair, Science
The Mercenary: Guns, Melee Weapons, Survival
The Outlaw: Guns, Melee Weapons, Sneak
The Paladin: Energy Weapons, Guns, Science

The Preacher: Guns, Medicine, Repair
The Sniper: Guns, Repair, Sneak
The Terrorist: Energy Weapons, Explosives, Lockpick
(Unmodded) The Ninja: Melee Weapons, Sneak, Unarmed
(Unmodded) The Wasteander: Melee Weapons, Survival, Unarmed
(Modded) The Wastelander: Melee Weapons/Unarmed, Sneak, Survival

They lost the first war and it took the NCR being corrupt and inefficient to actually gain some foothold.

l*gion supporter is a faggot

Like poetry.

what about guns sneak survival ?

You'd be corrupt and inefficient too if you were actively dying from a lack of water exasperated by the merchant level antics of your nobility class. Comes with the territory of being a republican democracy really.

no repair

how are you maintaining your guns

The looming plot point of energy requirements and needs always made me want a Fallout set in a state that uses geothermal energy or solar power. Imagine Fallout: Hawaii with new factions fighting over powerplants that supply the islands with power from the nearby volcanos.

The Survivalist (so named after the rifle)

Would be awesome, I don't agree with the guys that say that everyone is fucked long term

They're descended from beurocrats and multi-ethnic dirt farmers. The only reason they are as they are is because they have a literal cheat code for infinite resources back in the capital.

Besides as a nation they're barely older than a few decades where the hell would they have any military culture to learn from?

Too based for Bethesda to consider unfortunately.

inb4 glassed for good measure

Human wave tactics is a viable military strategy when one has a significant advantage in numbers. If one entrenched person only has a single gun with ten bullets, and they’re fighting against eleven people, then it follows that at least one of the eleven will get to the entrenched individual. Is it pyrrhic? Absolutely. However, look up every incident of “Hamburger Hill” and you’ll realize that it’s a mainstay of the military playbook.

You could mine the moon or other planets for resources like House proposes, but even if they get that far does it really become Fallout? Now its more sci-fi like Alien or Dead Space. The setting either needs to have people find a new resource either from geniuses or exploration while still adhering to the aura and tone of Fallout.

Vault 15 was the home of proto NCR, Great Khans and two other tribes that died in irrelevancy

the three raider clans took all the weapons and the remnants took the seeds and attempted to poorly build a functioning agrarian society

constantly getting dabbed on by their former contemporaries with the daughter of the leader himself getting kidnapped in one of the many raids

only through the intervention of the Vault Dweller teaching them how to better farm and taking out the biggest dog in the neighborhood did they finally stop being a pack of bitches

If anything them not taking the scorched earthpill on all outsiders at first was a surprise considering their brief history with nation building. Only after Tandi died did they actually start becoming a bunch of warhawks hellbent on emulating the oldworld with a fraction of the power to spare.

Systematically fucking over the Followers who set them on the path towards civil greatness and the BoS for refusing to let them have the best tech for further consolidation and ease of stomping out competition.

Stella from HH talks about a town that had a running geothermal operation.

Zerg rushing is meant to be a last resort
Well the end goal of house is to end "fallout" and fix the planet and start playing stellaris as a species. We can't have that in a game or any other official media because that would be the end of the series. So yeah it would be cool to have fallout lore where people start to rebuild instead of just stay alive, fo4 doesnt count and isnt canon

It is common sense when you consider the numbers at play. The BoS is still reeling from their last attempt when the NCR kicked them out of California. A skirmish that would've been far more significant since it took place in the home region of both parties. The battle at HELIOS One is just the clean up as the NCR was looking to secure the Mojave regardless. Killing two birds with one stone.

The NCR has the ability to draw from an industrialized nation spanning in the literal hundreds of thousands with the ability to operate at scale. Meanwhile the Brotherhood has a few select families running on a eugenics programe and what little they could take with them after the initial rout. That's part of the reason why Elijah went schizo looking for any cards to play against those odds because it was a game that his side can't win against conventionally. NCR can toss a thousand faceless conscripts at a point and eat the loss. Whenever the Brotherhood loses a paladin, a handful of scribes or a suit of valuable T-51b they will be feeling that loss for a long while after.

Didn't New Vegas plan to have more Legion controlled lands/towns on the opposite side of the river but it got cut because of the usual time restraints?

As other anon said, caesar points out that ncr's success is owed to aradesh and tandi being basically dictators that knew how to run things. If that starting point is acceptable to you, then why not give legion a chance as well? Other than not liking the main guy, I suppose. He's not a cute teenage girl after all

youtube.com/shorts/ataCfslDlhk

That and the ability to just pull a WoTS and walk out the gate via I-15 leaving it all up to chance. Would've been a more kino way to put a nail in it all after you just fucked everything up for good measure.

don't seek revenge, forgive your enemies, have sex with them

They did and Ulysses was the central Legion companion, he still has an immense catalog of unused dialogue in the game's files. Would've been nice to see them get some ethos or humanization or even shed light on how they treat conquered or submissive settlements.

Something like coming into a Legion town and seeing everyone remotely content with the safety and order and complete nullification of crime down to petty thievery. Then maybe seeing a corrupt Centurion whos exploiting the people and your job is to bring him to justice. At the end either Lucius or Vulpes comes to the town and personally offer you their thanks for bringing his moral bankruptcy to light showing that regardless of kinship the Legion doesn't tolerate "degeneracy."

If you fug your enemies, you win.

Would be interesting

I’m throwing out my million dollar idea for someone to steal:

When the Followers of the Apocalypse began their diaspora in California, a group of them wandered to the coast after helping restore the Necropolis back into Bakersfield. There, at the edge of the world, they discovered the ruins of the Diablo Canyon Power Plant… a nuclear power plant. Many were horrified by their discovery and refused to accept the schematics they had unveiled, not wanting to open Pandora’s Box. However, there were a few who believed that they could harness the power that caused the end of the world and give the NCR unlimited power, bringing back enlightenment and knowledge. These few, calling themselves Prometheans, are working to get the investment necessary to rebuild the plant, secure uranium, and educate the NCR engineers needed to get the energy flowing. However, they find themselves combatted by numerous groups, and there’s no guarantee they will even succeed. After all, the Enclave, finally receiving Durabots from Boston, have knowledge of a city called Harrisburg in the land of Pennsylvania… and an island known as Three Mile.

NCRtards seem to have shared headcanon in which legion implodes after NV (even though it doesn't in any of it's endings) and Mr. House somehow being incompetent (he dominates his entire life and in his endings)
I guess this type of mindbreak is expected if you dickride a faction that is consistently portrayed as the most limp-dicked dysfunctional raider gang of them all with the shittiest endings available in game

House mindbreaks people to this day

Umm but actually House literally rapes women by consensually scanning their bodies and brain waves and the Legion is literally full of gay men… not that being gay is bad!! I fully support the LGBT+ community! I’m just saying that the Legion is full of gay chuds, which is hypocritical, and—Major Knight? Who? What about him? Hold on, let me google the fandom wiki…

… OKAY that is LITERALLY and outlier case, it’s anecdotal, and anecdote isn't the singular of data, so—well, NO, the former slave that said he was gaped by a centurion isn’t an anecdote, I’m sure if the writers had more time they would’ve included more gay Legion sex with everyone wearing animal carcasses, sweating and grunting in the heat and the dirt and the… umm… I don’t want to talk about this anymore…

Santiago or old ben?

Actually, you forgot that Mr. Chudcel is LITERALLY late-stage capitalism incarnate so killing him is morally correct and just a test of media literacy. Do better, sister.

Any time there's an NCR vs Legion skirmish in-game the NCR pretty much always wins. The one exception is when there's assassins because they have good armor and actually use guns.

Old Ben is old and Viagra doesn’t exist. Santiago is young. Santiago is virile. Santiago will make you feel like a beautiful woman. Come, come, sit next to Santiago…!

How well do NCR hit squads fare?
I have never seen one in all my hours of playing. But the wiki says you'll start seeing veteran Rangers and heavy troopers with brush guns and miniguns and shit.

I only saw them once and they only gave me a warning and left

This instead

Ranger #1 is a light armor revolver gunslinger with no helmet. Ranger #2 is an AMR sniper that also throws grenades if you go behind cover. Ranger #3 is in salvaged power armor, uses a mini gun, and throws grenades if you go behind cover. Ranger #4 uses medium armor and a brush gun, and is usually the squad leader meaning they get to you first.

Santiago is going to get a bullet in his ass if he keeps this shit up.

I don't pay for hoes when Red Lucy does it for free.

You are a faggot and a primitive, don't talk.

House won

mr friendly: unarmed, medicine, speech

Caesar is 100% objectively correct but that doesn't mean he himself is competent as a leader.

This