name a more based character
Name a more based character
Francois is Anon Babble
Mon Ami!
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Wario, the ultimate Anon Babble approved character.
what game?
Fuck, i actually feel bad for him.
I spent the entire final dungeon set on siding with Maelle, but this fight made me change my mind.
Dude just want his family back
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Based, Wario is literally peak Anon Babble energy—greedy, loud, unapologetically chaotic, and somehow still lovable. Man's entire brand is farting and stealing, yet he's more honest than half the protagonists out there.
Adolph Hitler. What do I win?
Esquie is my nigga
He's up there for sure.
The goodest boy, as they say
Esquie? Based
Francois? Based
The Gestrals? Based
Monoco? Double Based
Surprised I didn't find any of the comic relief characters overbearing, I normally hate them.
your family has powers or w/e to essentially make autistic headcanons ‘real worlds’ and then ability go to live in them
shocked when they make them and choose to live in them
why didn't he just fly 9/11-style into the paintress?
he's lazy
European sensibilities and I am saying that as an American. In both American and Japanese media these characters are often so exaggerated they're annoying. Europeans do a good job at making them relatively understated.
Yeah, he even says he got addicted to it at first too but then his wife taught him how not to get addicted. Then she got addicted cause of grief and now he is trying to teach her.
He himself was lost in a painting before his wife saved him in the past, which is why he is so stubborn against it as he knows perfectly well how intoxicating it is.
GET OUT OF MY LAWN
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Used to be happy when Clea came to visit
Now miserable and grungy because she never does
WHERE IS MY WIIIFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Holy shit bomberman got swole
SWIM SWIM
Move an inch
Esquie screams in my ear
Perfect
Honestly I think that's the most interesting thing about the ending. Usually I'm a staunch sider of the realism side in the escapism argument but when these people can literally materialize their escapism into a living breathing reality can you really say it's that bad a thing to escape into that world? Is it really unhealthy to just live a normal life amongst friends and family?
I might agree, were it not for the fact that it's powered by a tortured soul.
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It's not a perfect ending but I think that's kind of the point the game is making about grief and loss. There is no happily ever after fairy tale ending when losing a loved one. You just kind of make the best of what you've got left. Someone is losing out no matter the ending. Maelle is clearly not happy with her family in Verso's ending and Verso is clearly not happy being in the painting in Maelle's ending. Plus I don't think Verso is really as against living in the painting as he says he is. I think it just looks worse on Maelle's part cause Verso is the only one challenging her on her ideals and not the other way round. Nobody is there to question Verso. It's up to speculation but I could easily see Verso learning to be happy in the painting in the same way Maelle could eventually find happiness outside of it. Both are shitty situations but with the possibility of hope.
Verso is CRYING in Maelles ending, anon. He's being forced to play for her. Everyone else questions Verso too - he's against the whole party and Lumiere, except for Esquie and Monoco who are neutral. The problem with staying in the painting is that it is inherently stagnant too, chances are Renoire or Clea will just burn it after Alicia dies. Maybe even Aline.
He's being forced to play for her
I find this interpretation to be awful and I really hate seeing it. It's completely antithetical to what the game sets up. There's no mind control bullshit going on, he isn't being forced. He's just sad but still willing to play cause he likes music. Literally the entire point of the game is about individuals coping with loss in their own way. Removing any and all agency from Verso in Maelle's ending is pointless. There's no point to anything if Verso doesn't also now need to adjust to his new circumstances and find a way to cope with it. Otherwise there would be zero parallels to Maelle in Verso's ending. The 2 endings are mirrors of each other.
I don't feel that it is my job to.
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They aren't complete mirrors at all, as the real world and the painting are so distinctly different. I find that comparison to be very base. Verso also has to deal with the knowledge that Alicia is slowly killing herself and he is partly responsible, while in Verso's ending no one else is suffering because of Alicia in a similar way.
They absolutely are mirrors. Both endings are about one person imposing their standards on the other and the loser needing to adapt to that. Verso even himself says that they're both hypocrites doing the same thing and he's absolutely correct. Having Verso just be mind controlled is such a lazy and boring outcome that even though it COULD be possible from a thematic stand point I hate it cause it's fucking stupid so I choose not to believe it. Him being fully able to act on his own is way more interesting.
while in Verso's ending no one else is suffering because of Alicia
The entire population of the painting gets wiped from existence. You can personally say that you don't think they're considered alive but that's not really relevant, it's how the characters themselves feel.
I will consider the painted world to be a very fair exchange - it's not hers to lord over. It's disgusting. She can very well create other worlds with even the same people if she wants to, but she insists on staying there because of Verso's tortured soul and the world he and Clea made being so endearing to her.
It's cute how Maelle is usually hanging around him like he's her big emotional support teddy bear.
She isn't "lording over them". She just brought them back and is living amongst them. Again you're working under the assumption that Maelle is mind controlling people.
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Not the people, but the painting itself. I would say that she is restricting her brothers agency by taking away his one fundamental wish which is to kill himself, but my grievance also lies in her desecrating his painting.
Well again it's all parallel, in the same way Maelle takes away Verso's agency(to an extent) in his wanting to die. Verso takes away Maelle's choice to live in the painting with all the people she cares about. The point in the ending is about how they deal with their choice being taken away. In the same way you don't actively chose to have a loved one die. Life is about things being out of your control but the game is all about exploring how people move part them(this is the main reason I hate the mind control'd Verso idea, I want Verso to have to learn to live again despite it being against his wishes in the same way Maelle would in Verso's) I take the ending as a kind of reflection of that same grief. I don't really get what you mean by desecrating either since Maelle doesn't actually create anything new. She just brings everyone who was dead back to as they were originally and is living there.
The people living there were created by Aline and initially Lumiere was a backdrop for her painted family to live with. Before her it was just a fantastical world with Gestrals and shit. She added that human element, it does not belong in the composition. Sure, Verso could possibly learn to live again, but he is immortal and Alicia isn't. Eventually it will all fall to ruin. By the way, it is stated that only Clea is skilled enough to paint over the creations of others, so it is impossible for Alicia to mind control Verso, her "control" is only refusing to kill him.
Verso could possibly learn to live again, but he is immortal and Alicia isn't.
I took the ending as Verso no longer being immortal and as such can now just live a normal human lifespan in the painting and can die naturally. Though if that's not the case the painting is probably going to get destroyed as soon as Maelle eventually dies in there so either way I don't think he's not doomed for eternity watching people he cares about die before him like he was before. Though you could take that interpretation I guess. I prefer to look at both endings a little bit more optimistically and assume in either ending the family all have their chance at happiness but that's just me. If you say that's not how you see it you aren't exactly wrong, I think there's enough ambiguity in both endings all over that you can really paint(heh) your own picture of events
By the way, it is stated that only Clea is skilled enough to paint over the creations of others, so it is impossible for Alicia to mind control Verso, her "control" is only refusing to kill him.
Ok yeah I'm with you then. I've just seen some people say that Alicia is literally mind controlling him in her ending and calling it the evil ending which feels very over the top.
Yep, that's why it's so sad for Verso. He has to watch his only connection left eventually die. There is no continuation from that, the canvas is done for and that's that. Verso's ending has the potential for Maelle to paint her own canvas and work with her family to create brand new worlds. It is just so much more hopeful than the slow hopeless, if comfortable, descent into death.
Despite my arguing for Maelle's ending I do actually generally agree with you that Verso's is the more hopeful and optimistic ending I just think Maelle's isn't quite is dark and depressing as people make it out to be and I do still stand by my stance of the 2 endings being reflections of each other. I can see Verso living a happy life with his love of music fulfilled and simply passing with Maelle in peace decades into the future.