Now that the dust has settled, who was in the right here?
Now that the dust has settled, who was in the right here?
Maelle
Verso
Verso
Me
verso
Maelle, do what you want, not want some busybody says what you should want
Plus, Verso deserves a shitty outcome for being a faggot
game takes place in a shit pit
Based and jeetpilled
Maelle. Verso is a giant hypocrite.
Verso
Also, Maëlle is basically a Anon
I don't think maelle gets to decide if verso's immortal soul gets to be trapped in an existence that lasts until maelle's physical body withers away.
verso did maelle a favor and gave her the chance to heal from the trauma of his death and persist in the real world.
He didn't use the Clair and Obscur outfits
Maelle has the Obscur outfit which means Darkness
Verso has the Clair outfit which means light
Maelle is in the light
Verso is in the shadow
Both have lightness and darkness within them
K I N O
Verso. He's a broken, flawed man and a hypocrite. But he and Renoir were ultimately right, and the consequences of Maelle's ending doom more than they save.
It's basically a story about gacha game and Maelle is huge whale who thinks she can keep dead game alive forever if she dumps all her food money on it
No wonder vedditors support her
Maelle also has a Clair outfit. But it's exclusive to the deluxe edition.
Yeah I am counting what is in the game, not deluxe edition stuff.
So the Axons are drawn by Renoir and all based on family members, I get all that, but what does Visages have to do with Verso? I don't really understand that part.
He is a serial liar.
Putting on masks and pretending to be someone he isn't
Like how his familial obligations made him become a painter instead of embracing his love for music, and now after his death how every other family member interprets his existence differently pushing all sorts of differing roles onto him
He was born a painter but he doesn't want to paint. He wants to make music. His parents, especially his mother, forced him to be a painter and it is clear he was lying to them the whole time about enjoying it. Maelle's nightmare even goes as far as to imply (to me at least) that hey didn't seem to mind dying in the fire to save her because it was release from his fake life.
I was ser on siding with Maelle because its not fair to destroy a whole world full of sentient life because of two people, but that last fight with Renoir made me change my mind. It was pure vidya kino.
To put even more weight on what says, there's even a record of Renoir talking to Verso about masks and how it's hurting his art.
The sentience/reality question is irrelevant at that point, because Verso's Canvas is doomed in any outcome.
Ironically, the canvas wouldn't be as doomed if Maelle could stomache to leave. If she left voluntarialy she could probably convince her father that there isn't a need to destroy it.
Now, that I think about it, Maelle is literally pic related
Man it must be a fucking existential nightmare to live with god knowing that at any moment they can decide to erase this whole universe and everyone in it.
Ultimately? Verso
I actually shed tears at the verso ending (yes im gay but why does that matter)
Hahaha... yeah imagine living in a world like that.
So both characters get what they want in Maelle ending then. She gets to live her life in the canvas and Verso eventually gets to die his final death. Verso's ending only has one person get what they want.
I think forcing someone to live in a life they hate is very treacherous
This
Neither side is interested in protecting the canvas, maelle just use the canvas to run away from her pain, if she left and tried hard to keep it hidden or convince her father, she would protect the canvas for far longer
I can understand both standpoint, which is pretty rare in those games. Verso is more grounded though, reality is better no matter what.
Verso and Renoir
Maelle
Also not a giant hypocrite
Verso soul fuels the canvas he has the right to end it
verso, maelle fags are dumb
True, Verso's ending is shit.
But it isn't his soul. It is the soul of the person he is based on.
guy already lived for 100 years
his reward is living for even more time but this time he will eventually die and with the knowledge that verso's real family is broken and maelle will be a empty husk at the end of it.
Yeah for sure, that should make verso ecstatic.
Verso. Maelle's ending is way better in visuals and how striking it is. Verso's glare at the end is 10/10
Maelle is a woman playing god and subjects everyone to her delusional fantasy land.
Verso is a man that just wants to die and end a fake reality.
Define reality.
As if he really cares what the family wants, he only cares about himself. I'm not gonna reward a faggot who's been betraying people every waking moment of his pathetic life.
And the person he is based on also wants it to end. The game is about breaking the cycle of grief. There is a reason Maelle ending starts the same way the game begins. The cycle began again
Ahh so you chose Verso then me too
Verso
And im not gonna reward a teenager that wants to run away from her crippled self while dragging a corpse around while she plays make-believe
Maelle's ending saves the most innocents so it's the best one. The painting people didnt ask to be drawn in this bullshit. The least they deserve is a few decades of peace.
You can tell who's a child itt by their defense of Maelle, which is almost sweet in a weird way.
why isnt anyone killing the tutorial mob? it only took me 2 attempts
innocents
They're ink on canvas
Maelle's ending saves the most innocents
Only for a few decades, and it potentially dooms myriads more, if the Painters lose to the Writers because of her.
Guess what? The painted people already existed for a long ass time, they had their shot, their god is dead and their world is doomed, renoir already killed 90% of the population, you are not saving shit.
As if. Versofags take the easy way out and just instantly label everything in the painting as fake while MaelleGODs realize that life can be more than biological.
A lot of people don't explore at all and just instantly went to the harbour.
aww
The painted people are dead by the end of the game. the only things alive are the gestrals and the grandis. If one painter can create multiple canvases with millions of “lives” than saving the painter saves more
math isn't moral so this is retarded
i don't care if it saves thousands of lives, i'm not gonna torture and kill anyone or anything i care about
if those are the choices, those thousands will die it does not matter if they asked for it or how innocent they are
Where was he? I thought I looked around well enough and talked to tons of NPCs.
b-but muh innocents
Meanwhile maelle haven't mentioned the lives of the painted people a single fucking time in her defense of not erasing the canvas.
All she wants is to be the puppet master of that dollhouse powered by the husk of her dead brother
They're already gommaged. Why bring them back to play like stage actors in Alicia's delirious happily ever after for 60-70 years or so? Unless Renoir and Clea pull her out again before that.
so does time not move inside the painting or am i misunderstanding why clea is still young
He's off on the far right just before the harbor.
Time moves slower, its not ever stated how much slower, but since 67 years have passed inside the canvas, yet it seems that mere months have passed in the real world, I guess its a long ass conversion
If it moves, it moves very slowly.
It's debatable but the Verso ending is probably the true ending and it's also more kino
Maelle. B-but what about the boy and painted Verso? No. Either you consider them all sentient beings in which case the needs of the many should outweigh the needs of the few. Or they're fake and their opinions don't matter at all. Also it's only a bad ending because they decided to write it that way. There's no doubt in my mind Gustave and co wouldn't convince Maelle to leave if they knew it was actively killing her in the real world.
So what's with the gestral merchants still asking me to find an expeditioner? I just rolled credits.
Only the first gen is though, they'll have kids who won't be creations of anyone.
But you literally kill 4 of your closest friends in the Verso ending
Hurr durr it doesn't count they're in a painting
Yeah okay bro. I hope for your sake our world is not a simulation.
The sentient beings are dead
but muh gestrals and grandis
Grandis are borderline extinct
Gestrals give no fucks about dieing
Yeah, yeah, that's nice and all, but what about the Musicians?
Gestrals give no fucks about dying.
Literally did not play the game.
Gustave would have convinced maelle to leave the canvas and leave verso aging inside there.
Gustave would have been the true ending
Those were for Gustave.
They got nothing on The Coders
So was it a coincidence that Gustave looks like Robert Pattinson, or was he the inspiration?
They don't, monoco is sad because everytime noco returns hs loses a piece of himself, meanwhile all other gestrals die and go "whatever, as long as we dont ressurect them too fast.."
Anon pls, The Builders is where the good shit is
Can't wait for Clair Obscur 2 to reveal that the Dessendre family was in a book and the whole Versofag argument collapses on itself.
:(
Fuck I was holding out hope for a secret Noco team member or some shit.
The problem with you maelle fags is that you think everybody thinks like you.
If some writer is the god of the real world and it decides to end it for valid reasons, I will support it again
FUCK. I was at that stage and tried to hook around it via ocean side, and I couldn't go through, and since the left wing of that dock had nothing, I figured "I guess that's it".
I'm sorry you value your life so little.
Only the first gen is though, they'll have kids who won't be creations of anyone.
They'll have kids who'll be dead before they're 50 when Alicia croaks and Renoir/Clea destory the canvas.
My life has nothing to do with it, and im not suicidal nor depressed, I just see my mortality for what it is, fleeting as fuck.
Gustave would have sided with verso cause even with all his big ideas he would sacrifice all to make sure Maelle lived. Act 1 shows when push comes to shove Gustave would throw away the bigger goal to protect her.
Gustave is based on some dude working at Sandfall.
We have people having kids today when the world is facing environmental collapse.
Agreed, but the difference here is that maelle actually listens to gustave, so if he insists on telling her to leave she would probably do so.
Yeah, third worlders should be using condoms but they don't.
Verso. Maelle is already addicted to the canvas and she’ll turn into her mother
guess it's a common French physiognomy then
Maelle liked Gustave more than Alicia did her family that much is extremely obvious. Girl is a foster child in the painted world, she has been abused a lot and when she got her memories back she realized that her real family was also extremely abusive. No wonder she doesn't want to go back.
Gustave would throw away the bigger goal to protect her.
But would he throw away Sophie, his sister and apprentices while also ignoring her wishes?
I think he would once he realizes the nature of their world (also the part where it's sustained by a child's soul) and that they're on borrowed time anyway.
Try not falling for every piece of propaganda your public education system throws at you. When beach front property continues to be insured and your politicians and corps buy sea-level private islands, somebody is lying.
He admitted he would in act 1 when he couldn’t commit to saying one life does not outweigh the many.
How was her "real" family abusive at all
She outright says she always was Papa's favorite and then there's The Reacher, we don't know too much about Aline but at the very least Renoir absolutely adored her.
and that they're on borrowed time anyway
They have always been on borrowed time.
But the "many" here isn't just a nebulous "everyone else" but other people he also loves.
Thank God I played this before the tranny redditors taint the discourse with meaningless political shitspewing.
I picked Maelle to hurt her and her family of retards. I hope the writers kill them all.
we don't know too much about Aline
We know that she when she painted Alicia she painted her even more fucked up because she blamed her for killing Verso.
She didn't, she painted a realistic portrayal of her instead of a glorified one.
Did you somehow just not look at Alicia in any of her scenes?
She is that disfigured and fucked up.
Him willing to give up on the expedition, which would damn the other people, tells you how much he would sacrifice for Maelle
Why is she the only one that's black and white?
Him willing to give up on the expedition, which would damn the other people
But he only gives up on the expedition because he believes it is doomed because everyone else are dead.
If he was that protective of Maelle he would not have allowed her to come on the expedition at all.
Probably how Aline painted her, colorless. She does blame her for Verso's death after all.
Not sure if it was ever explained why really, maybe I missed that.
Clea is an outright bitch to her and blames her for Verso's death
Alina created Painted Alicia and made her even more deformed and repulsive out of spite and grief
Renoir cares but doesn't know how to show it without layers and layers of pretentious bullshit
Did you even play the game, little bro?
Verso by far
they tried to make the decision more even with Maelle being scarred and shit
But it was verso
I am almost certain there is a conversation where Maelle or Verso says she painted her like that because she blames her for Verso's death, But I don't remember when it was said.
If we wanna be very meta the ending doesn't matter because it's a videogame anyway so none of the lives lost or saved are real.
Verso, obviously
Yeah, but was it ever really explained why she blames her for his death?
Explained and shown multiple, multiple times.
She used the W word with a hard R
If reinor was the curator then who was the reinor we fought earlier
It seems like Verso was Aline's favorite child, simple as.
A creation of Aline.
They were both in the wrong, but Maelle less so. The whole family needs to fuck off from the painting and let them live their lives
but that reinor was against the paintress, he always said the gommage was good and shit
No, but in the act 2 epilogue, Clea implies the writers did manipulated Maelle somehow involving the fire, and that's what Verso saved her from. But like everything involving the writers, it's pretty vague beyond that.
No. He was on the side of the paintress. This is said multiple times. And is why he tries to stop you right before you get to her.
He wants the paintress to live because she is the one that makes him and his familiy immortal.
it is very clearly verso
He also knows that if they win real Renoir will kill everybody so he tries to nuke the expeditions to save the rest.
*writers manipulated
Verso
I'm so tired of videogames being afraid of letting you see fuckin anything.
Real life Renoir is the Curator. Real life Aline is the Paintress/weird female Curator with crazy hair
Real life Alicia was reborn as Maelle
Real life Verso is dead
In her grief Aline painted Canvas Renoir (the one that kills Gustave, black suit), Canvas Alicia (white hair with mask) and Canvas Verso (the one you play as) well and Canvas Clea but she got fucked big time
okay but who the FUCK is the big lady. No head canons. What's the actual in game explanation
if the gommage is renoir creation to kill the canvas why the paintress does it
okay but who the FUCK is the big lady
There are multiple big ladies.
Burn status effect is stupidly overpowered for most of Act 1 and 2
Burn status effect gets revealed to be the main culprit for the entire game in Act 3
Pottery
She doesn't. She is just running out of power to stop him so every year she can protect less people and she writes up to how old she's protecting them.
That's how it felt to me yeah. I get he died saving her from the fire done by the writers, but why Aline specifically blames Alicia for that whole event happening seems kind of unclear.
i said THE big lady you're just being obtuse on purpose
verso
THE big lady
So the Paintress? That's Aline, Verso's and Alicia's mother.
After Maelle got her powers back why didn't Verso just ask her to kill him? Is he stupid? She gave that mercy to Alicia after all.
Sounded to me like the Writers tried to fuck with Renoir since he's the family head and since Alicia is his favourite they tried to assassinate her, Verso played hero and rescued Alicia at the cost of his own life.
Alicia wasnt gonna do that
I mean they say explicitly multiple times that the big lady is, in fact, not the paintress
She'd never agree. Absolutely never.
Even in her ending it's extremely doubtful she will actually let him die of old age, you know perfectly well she's going to turn into Paintress 2.0 before long.
So whats with the writers? who are the writers? the devs? the "storytellers"?
is this a commentary on how authors mess up with imaginary beings and kill/torture for the reader amusement? as if the imaginary beings are real'
is this some inception shit? a story inside a story inside a videogame?
People in Lumière believe she does it because Aline communicates like shit, but she doesn't. She paints the number to warn her creations, for them to enjoy what time they have left. By trapping Chroma inside the Expeditioners' bodies and not allowing it to return to Aline, Renoir makes it impossible for her to keep her powers. Every year they wane, so every year he Gommages the oldest creations possible.
The cycle of grief literally began with Alicia feeling ignored and abused by her family, thus reaching to the Writers for solace
This is explicitly told to you in Painted Alicia's Axon quest
You know what will break the cycle of making choices for Alicia and thus sowing the seeds of mental illness and conflict in this family?
Forcing a choice on Alicia!
Oh look, she's deeply traumatized in this ending and regressing to a crippled retard
This totally fixed things!
Do you mean the big dancer? That's a painted version of Aline created by Renoir.
Or do you mean the one all the white Nevrons are talking about, in which case they are talking about Clea since she is the one that made them.
You might be stupid anon
The whole reason the plot started to begin with was because neither mother nor sister could get over Verso's death and the Canvas is all that's left of him
I will never play E33 for the first time ever again
Neither.
Any anyone who isn't and absolute fucking retard can tell that that's the whole point of the ending choice.
Nobody is correct. The writer intended for both of them to be incorrect choices that deny the Real Verso one of his core wishes, by swaying him one way or the other in a selfish way.
Verso doesn't give a fuck about anything but himself and his suicide.
And Alicia just wants to cope.
Neither give a fuck about him by that point, they are too far gone.
Well like I said, Clea implies they manipulated Maelle involving the fire somehow, and that's why it's "her fault." Maybe they tricked her into being trapped in the fire or something, and if she hadn't fallen for it, then Verso would have lived or something
I mean THE big lady. The one that towers over the entire game
I think you are just fucking with me.
That's just a big creature Aline painted, it doesn't have a specific name like how Axons are Renoir's creation and Nevrons Clea's.
There's nothing deeper there, she just painted it to help her.
Fair enough.
Yes, they literally say she's not the paintress.
Fair enough I guess that's all it needs to be
Was it just me, or was anyone else kinda annoyed by how the main path was never really pointed out within levels, so you could go down a path and realise it was the path to progress the story making you have to backtrack.
I've seen online that apparently the main path is the one that has lights lighting the way. But honestly I never once mistook a side path for the main path I always felt that it was pretty obvious.
Nah it was kind of a pain in the ass not knowing which path is the main path and which is loot sometimes
Verso but I wouldn't mind living in a cute tomboy's fan fiction version of reality either.
My heart is telling me Verso, but my dick is telling me Maelle, so I picked Maelle.
The worst part of the game was being made to go through all the old areas filled with encounters again before fighting The Paintress. What a slog at leas the payoff is good
The french end up making the most soulful, genuine game in the past two decades
how'd they do it?
Act 1 is so incredible first go through. I feel like the world being fake makes the rest of the game less compelling but I loved the whole beginning.
no blacks
People calling the painted world fake or comparing it to "it was all a dream" is a legitimate IQ test
I kinda feel like the world was more interesting without Verso, it was more mysterious then you got some fags who come in and knows all the answers and just ruins the mystery. I miss Gustave.
Be thankful those people are never gonna be Gods.
Felt like a fakeout final dungeon. Did drag on a little too much.
mfw Verso asks Eaquie if he missed the real Verso.
Kinda make me understand Verso decision in the end. He's been fully aware he's a copy of someone else for years and that he's just a coping mechanism created by his mother.
Clea is a mean bitch for what she did to painted Clea and Simon. She can't stand others being happy.
I'd agree with that if his ass wasn't obviously lying through his teeth the entire game. It preserves the mystery, but true, Gustave was the goat
Esquie is the Tom Bombadil of Lumiere.
Not about everything though. He told the party about the Axons and told them where to go. Without him they'd have had to figure shit out and it could have been cool.
Pretty much how I feel about it too. It also makes the Gommage happening exactly once a year absurdly arbitrary. Why even bother having a number in the first place? Just draw a giant arrow pointing down.
Yeah, I got the idea. It worked in that it legitimately made it feel like it was the end game, but it was the only part of the game I would call say was outright pretty bad
What is the point of dragging mommy out of her painted world and then staying in it yourself? Pretty fucked up.
Maelle because she's cute.
Maelle didn't know she was her mom at the time.
Yes, but after, she agrees to keep her away from the painting, helping with the plan to hide it, and then trying to stay in it herself..
Judging by all the art deco, I assume the game takes place around 1920-1930?
early 2000s
if you create a world full of sentient creatures, you take responsibility for it. don't care how much you suffer, it's no longer about you.
Maelle
sucks for verso but I'd do the same in her shoes, I'd feel bad about killing off this entire world and leaving everyone in it dead because of my fucked up family
late 1800s/early 1900s, judging by info you get in one of the endings
This, ultimately the blame falls on the parents for forcing their kids to paint before they are old enough to grasp the implications. They doomed Verso.
Why did we condemn marche but agree with verso?
Did we just grown up?
I'd feel bad about killing off this entire world and leaving everyone in it dead because of my fucked up family
Except that's not why she's doing it. She just wants to escape reality like her mom.
Verso. It's harder to grasp but Maelle and her family needs to move on to begin healing. Staying in the picture just delays the path forward to emotional recovery. The band-aid needs to be ripped off. This family is creating and destorying sentient life. That's not cool.
helping with the plan to hide it
Hiding the painting happens before she ever enters it. But yes she tries to take her place, even after learning everything.
Verso's soul was trapped in preserving the canvas.
yeah, I probably would too if I was a teenage girl burn victim in a lot of pain with a broken family in the middle of some artist war or something
like I said, it really does suck for Verso, but I get it
Normally you would have a point but in this game the main path is pretty much always lit by lamps, fires or crystals depending on the map. It's extremely obvious.
Kinda, not really. Does being in the painting for a long time have any adverse effects? The other family members seem to imply so. The painting is also powered by his soul? Are all of their paintings like that, or just this one? That's a bid odd, we don't know how that all works, seems kinda bad if souls are actual things. Verso does want Alicia to live in reality though, so that's similar.
At least they tried to justify it with iT's HeR mEmOrIes but it still felt like it happened primarily for budget reasons.
Judging by all the art deco, I assume the game takes place around 1920-1930?
During La Belle Epoque
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Not really though. The Canvas was painted as a kid, Verso died an adult. Are you saying that when he died his soul got sucked inside the Canvas? Cuz that's stupid. This would literally imply that when Renoir, Clea or Aline dies their souls are all gonna be trapped somewhere so you gotta burn down all their art.
Yeah
You can make direct parallels with that show
They could have made the manor the dungeon for that.
Maelle, I would prefer to live in a goated fantasy world of my own creating with all the sexy bitches instead of toiling in real life for shekelberg.
Fuck real life.
Play the game.
Honestly, I want to know what the Canvas was like before the fracture. Was it just a copy of the real world? Do the fantasy creatures exist outside or are they Verso's creations?
Some of the dialogue implies Gestrals are real and there's a real Monoco.
I'm still in Act 3. So, maybe I will get answers.
We don't have specifics but we know that in some way they are using their souls as some kind of power in the painted worlds since there is the Renoir/Aline tug of war.
I did. You're taking things literally when they say his soul is in there. It really only means that this canvas embodies him and his values. The little boy at the end is not his soul, it's just the embodiment of the Chroma he used to paint.
Maelle's favorite person in the universe is killed by her family's retarded feud
Expecting her to want to go back to them
Nah.
they are "real" in the canvas. They are inventions of the kids' play and imaginations. Esquie is a doll painted into the world. Verso invented gestrals. Francois was probably made by Clea with his attachment to her.
The boy is the last piece of his soul left, endlessly laboring to keep the canvas alive.
The painters are in general dipshits and place no value on the lives in the canvas. A better story development would've been if Maelle outright rebelled against the family in a bloody retribution.
Now when i think about it, there was a theory that Rikka was modelled by Akane to resemble her real life self and her mother was inspired by a Midori doll you can see in her living room IRL, this is very similar to the painted family.
The boy is the last piece of his soul left, endlessly laboring to keep the canvas alive.
According to you. Literally not confirmed.
I mean I'd kill them happily in a DLC.
They outright say they boy is Verso, the last fragment left of his soul. Assumedly the painters pour their soul into creating canvases.
it does actually, like cliffs, main path was littered with lights, always. All maps have similar motif
Just finished. Sided with Verso without a second thought. Maelle got on my nerves in the final scenes. She sounded like an entitled child.
So what you're saying is that if they coped normally and didn't dive in the Canvas then Verso would be enslaved forever and ever? Aline apparently saved her son by coping.
she is, especially if you complete her act 3 quest. the monolith gets permanently rewrote with leave me alone dad or something like that.
Her dad is trying to kill all of her friends.
dust has settled
not paint has dried
sheesh
Also Verso hugging his bros Monoco and Esquie as they vanish into oblivion was kin0
Litmus test
Retards and people who can envision the apple go with Maelle
Midwits go with Verso
I want to say Verso, but its like siding with gods who view my life on earth as something insignificant like a bug, and my struggles don’t matter because they’re more powerful than me. Choosing the verso ending is like saving a few gods live’s and dooming the world and people they created.
the world is doomed regardless
The odds are not 100%.
The story was ok. Started strong. The twist was obvious but it was decently executed I thought.
No idea what they will do as a DLC (haven't done any Clea/Simon content yet myself). Maybe Clair Obscur: Edition 0 extension?
If they're smart they could easily expand the lore of the Writers/Painters to prepare a next game in the Clair Obscur franchise.
So were all the people feeding the goddess in FFTA. They even did the red hair thing.
I’m as manly as expedition 60 and I got a little choked up too.
le save the soul of boy verso
It's sick of the world because of the discord caused by the retards jumping in and messing up the peace that was there, ie suffering from Renoir's gommages and Clea infesting the world with n*****s
Otherwise, the very act of painting is unethical because the artists leave mini bits of themselves forever trapped within unless they burn their works immediately, in which case the writers did nothing wrong
Finish main story
"Damn Clea is a bitch"
Finish Endless Tower
"Man she's not so bad actually"
Finish Flying Manor
"Nevermind, she's a bitch"
Finish Renoir's Drafts
"Nevermind, she's a complete fucking monster
They can easily go for the "true ending" dlc and add shenanigans about how it's possible to make everybody happy because reasons.
bro you can't just drop the N word like that
The gestrals were a mix of paintbrushes and anatomy dolls. Verso hated being forced to paint, so he tried to turn them into toys instead.
killed some of the white nevrons
get punished severely for it hours later
fuck the devs
Same, it's an emotional ending. Though I feel Verso is the correct path, you're still getting rid of all the party members you grow to like over the journey and seeing them fade into memories at the ending scene is pretty sad.
bury the painting with verso
there, now they can't go full druggie unless they're willing to desecrate his grave, which only frenchmen of the darker complexions will do
Nah, they are probably the peak of his performance as painter/ considering he never wanted to be one in the first place.
What do gain from killing/not killing them?
escapism is based
100 lumina paint for completing all white nevron quest and sparing them all, even the asshole ones.
No one even considering The Janitors. That’s where the true power lies.
That final shot after all her family left of Alicia standing over Verson's grave as the team fades away in the distance
Fucking kino. I rarely rarely cry at anything and I shed a few bitch tears.
It really isn't the right path. Neither is.
now that baguette crumbs litter the table...
That one you repair in that maze area that immediately says "Oh I'm a nevron, time to start killing people"
The music helps a lot. The "goodbyes" to monoco and the others before this cutscene is also very good
right? and you're just supposed to let that one be?
How do you even know all this shit? There is no quest log in the game. I feel I missed so much shit. Completed the main story in 40 hours and didn't even know about Clea or Simon.
I get the game is hand holding you, but there is a limit to being completely lost.
best way to farm cash endgame? i want 100% pictos inventory and some of these fuckers cost 100k
not my problem
pours the nevron down Lumiere pipe
Best farm overall is the merchant in the Drafts, Just get a one shot build going (Maelle and Lune can easily do it) and spam. Also the best lumina and XP farm.
Common sense mostly. They are friendly so attacking them is probably dumb.
moral of the story: everyone is an asshole and then you die
We will see what they can come up with. But clearly dlc is being considered because the left side of the map has a place prepared for something like that.
But even if it's going to happen, we will see it in like 2 years or so.
I must save lune's feet at all costs
ironically, a disturbing number of people treat game verso as a stand in for the real one's opinions on the matter despite aline's creations already being criticized for being warped by her perceptions
inb4 the DLC ends up being a completely disconnected sideplot that takes place during Act 2
I love posts like this. Nice catch.
It's literally escapism because they're running away from the real world to live in a place where he is alive. No need to overcomplicate things.
realistic portrayal
Wrong, Aline's painted version of her family were completely biased to her own views of them, Verso is a perfect copy because she misses him, Renoir is the complete opposite of the real one so he can agree with his wife's delusion, and Alicia is still a disfigured teen because Aline is in fact blaming her daughter.
The fact that the game gives you the choice should make you consider.
the gods/painters were assholes. lune, gustave, monoco, etc. were all normal
Goddamn she is a big girl
Also, very kino moment just casually strolling near the monolith
Renoir is the complete opposite of the real one so he can agree with his wife's delusion
Both Renoir wants what's best for their family. But they have different families so they have different goals.
real Renoir did literally nothing wrong
Formal petition to autoban, among other phrases, "now that the dust has settled"
Other than literally killing thousands of people because he can,t be bothered talking to his wife normally.
Clea calls him an overbearing manipulative retard, so I am inclined to agree
that esquie ass tho
Man, the face lune made to Verso on his ending made me feel bad for her.
if you're good enough at painting you can create entire worlds of whatever the fuck you want and living, sentient beings
"nah I just wanna play piano/read books instead"
it's so accurate to real kids hating literally anything their parents push on them that I can't help but laugh
the facial expressions in this ending were insane, they didn't have to say a word
Clea's ideal man is Conan the barbarian
Aline's ideal man is her husband turned shadowdaddy
What did frenchmen mean by this?
And who Maelle is lusting over
paint flakes aren't people
If it's not just sequel bait I assumed DLC would be the older daughter dealing with the writers.
mfw she moves a bit like most overworld enemies
Clea
Neither are you but alas you still have rights and so do they
Define life then.
supposed to be the head of the family
simply has to save his wife from canvas addiction the same way she saved him
ends up waging a war of attrition for 67 years
probably would lose if it wasn't for his eldest daughter bailing him out
he's a complete and utter failure of a man
This game nails character expression in a way ND/Rockstar can only dream about.
All my homies love Renoir
"Aline! Look at Alicia. She can't be here!"
"Aline, it's supposed to be you and me, not you AGAINST me"
"Why am I the only one who sees this?"
It made me feel horny for her
That same shot got me lol. Such a powerful payoff but so sad at the same time, and while I side with Verso I feel bad for Alicia as well. She got a glimpse of what could have been.
Absolutely, the ost is amazing. I'm already looking forward to what else this team can do, hoping they don't get immediately swallowed up by a bunch of investors and such.
Verso didn't hate to paint, he just didn't like Aline's approach to painting. She never understood what it means for him to paint.
Bro don’t say shit like this. Do you want yellow paint everywhere? Ironic this game is about paint but there is no yellow paint now that I think of it. But there are actually gold veins and lights and other indicators.
You’re not wrong though, I had to mentally keep track of these mazey levels with more effort than I like to use.
Sometimes women just stop listening to reason
Verso obviously.
Verso decided what's best for the actual real family despite him being a painting, painted Renoir is protecting the delusion becuase Aline did not make him a perfect copy of her husband, otherwise he would have reached the same conclusion the real Renoir did.
Ironic this game is about paint but there is no yellow paint
Renoir
Verso decided what's best for the actual real family despite him being a painting
Verso is suicidal. That's why he does what he does. Renoir is not.
Verso, I think both sides have merit.
hes only suicidal because he knows what must be done
Verso doesn't give a shit about the family. He wants to die.
This. Verso doesn't care about anything but dying. If dying meant killing everyone inside and out the canvas he'd have done it anyway. He's a selfish asshole and betrayed his closest allies repeatedly over the years.
You know who
He's suicidal because he knows he's not real/the right verso
That's why he comforts Maelle as she's fading from the Canvas and tells her she has incredible strength and can be so much more outside the Canvas, painting her own adventures and being free from her decades old grief. Because he doesn't give a single shit about her.
Gustave
I want to fuck Clea to the point where she becomes happy
He lies to himself just as he lies to those around him
I feel like half the people saying verso doesn't care about his family did not play the game
he's suicidal because he's trapped unable to die as everyone he knows and loves either dies or goes further and further insane
The eldest daughter was a dickass too because she obviously had the power to end the stalemate and force them all out.
he's not real/the right
He's a retard. There's absolutely no reason to seethe about things you can't change. Once he's mortal, he can have his simple life as his own self. But instead he chose to be a whiny bitch.
It can be both things
Holy delusion Batman! Verso went above and beyond to assist Maelle from the day she was born as Clea told him to, he fucking loves his real family despite him being a copy, his plans to destroy the painting and kill eveything in it was besides that.
He cares as long as he still gets what he wants out of it anon.
He says so himself. They are both hypocrites using the family as an excuse to get what they want.
Yes, they can still bridge friendships anyway, but they throw everything and everyone under the bridge for their goals.
Holy delusion Batman! Verso went above and beyond to assist Maelle from the day she was born as Clea told him to,
Because he needed her to get to the paintress, which enabled his own death.
If you think about it. The real manor is pretty much Peach's castle from Super Mario 64.
That baguette has seen some shit.
You gonna eat that?
They are both hypocrites using the family as an excuse to get what they want.
Seconding this hard
I don't think he cares about not being the real Verso
This game is all about art so taking everything literally instead of poetically like the game does in multiple other places is retarded. The part soul is obviously OBVIOUSLY not 100% literal. People who act like the boy is some kind of victim in Maelle's ending are retarded. No, there's a fucking reason he is literally never ONCE shown in her ending. The only important part of Maelle's ending and the only person who is suffering is the painted version of Verso.
And enabled...what else? You can think this through bro, I believe in you.
I don't think he cares about not being the real Verso
Holy storyskipper
the simon/painted clea shit is straight up indicative of psychopathy. the whole family is awful. they should never be allowed to pain again.
He didn't help Maelle, he used her. If he cared about Maelle he wouldn't have let the one person she loved most in both of her life die a horrible traumatizing death before her eyes.
That's absolutely retarded. He did that because he was told to do so, because he needed them to continue trusting the plan.
He literally lets Gustave die and traumatizes her for the rest of her life because he feels it's more likely they will side with him for it.
He grows attached, but is a suicidal sociopath all the same.
How the fuck did Simon lose to irl Renoir anyway? He was clearly much stronger than both Aline and Renoir together.
I think he does
you can't change
Except he can change, ending his existence is the change needed for this delusion to end so Alicia and Aline can stop playing make-believe.
I love how Sciel is so empathetic throughout the entire game. She always seems to try to understand other people's motivations and problems. When Lune lashes out at Verso she tries to calm the situation and says that everyone has fucked up shit. Then in Verso's ending instead of being angry she seems disappointed but also completely understanding of Verso's situation.
Good character.
Writers did a shitty job, should've burn it all to the ground
man Verso's kind of a dick
you can either live a life with the people you care about in relative happiness or you can leave them all for dead, go back to your crippled body, shitty family, and war but at least you'll build CHARACTER
Does the Canvas still exist in Maelle's ending? Then the fragment of Real Verso's soul is forced to continue painting it.
Nerds.
The end is not a change. It's an easy way out.
You predicted that the whole world was a painting and that the paintress and verso and renoir were all painted copies of real people and maelle was also a real person who was trapped in the painting. Sure anon.
Writer's hands typed this post
Who the fuck are the Writers? Is this sequel bait or something?
Felt bad for him. He was the only one actively trying to put their family back together again. Every single other member was a selfish asshole who only wanted to grieve on their own terms and ignoring the effect on those around them. Bro probably didn't even have chance to properly grieve the death of his own son since he was too busy tard wrangling.
Esquie
Indeed. Dick wants Lune, heart loves Sciel
Good. Let it be a lesson. Stop playing God.
people unironically defending the ending where verso says "I don't want this" with tears in his eyes over and over is the good one
even with it ending with maelle getting corrupted as well
Fine until you realize she's just as much of a miserable cunt as her parents.
Just another group of mages in whatever the overworld is. We're clearly intentionally left out of the details of what exactly the overworld is but it seems like a high fantasy alt-history with various mages guilds. The painters being one and the writers being another.
"expedition 33" is basically just a pocket dimension created by the mage Real Verso in the overworld as basically his playground, it's why his toys (gestrals) and imaginary friend (esquie) are in there.
youtube.com
Am I a retard for hearing "ALINE GOBLU"?
Just dessert for a betraying sociopath..
yet he acts like he has a right to determine what should happen to other paintings like himself
aline has fallen, billions must die
see a white creature
kills it
punished
You deserve it, Chaim.
Renoir was way stronger back then. It's said by Maelle/Alicia that he's super weakened at the end of the game by fighting Aline for so long. In reality if Renoir (and Aline too) was fresh into the painting he would have wiped the floor with everyone.
Simon fought Renoir not long after he entered the painting.
they see Gustave and Sophie back and think "oh happy ending" and just refuse to acknowledge Verso's enslavement or Maelle shooting up until she dies as bad things
Verso caused the death of everyone still alive in Lumiere. Why are his tears worth so much?
people unironically defending the ending where verso says "I don't want this" with tears in his eyes over and over is the good one
Verso spent 100 years betraying people, killing the expeditions, lying through his teeth. He doesn't deserve any form of relief.
It's not sentient and as such cannot feel suffering. It's not real anon. What you're doing is the equivalent of watching a video of someone getting hurt and then saying the monitor you're watching it on is in pain. The boy is not a real person suffering. It's merely remnants of the thoughts and feelings of the real Verso when he was a child but they are just echos of those feelings and not actual feelings themselves.
hur well it responded
It's fucking magic
any ending where sciel, lune, and gustave's apprentices and sister don't immediately die is a good one
verso will be fine, he'll still die at some point like he wants
It's not complicated. It's escapism.
nuanced and layered game
people having black and white takes
It's both a shame but also kind of heartwarming about her husband. It makes her a shitty romance for Verso but also makes her out to be an incredibly devoted and loving wife.
He doesn't, he only fights for his own self-determination. It sucks for Sciel and Lune, but at the end of the day, Verso's ending is an assertion that the painted people ARE real, have free will, and deserve the right to assert it. Maelle's ending says the opposite.
Neither is a good ending, they are both shit people, that is the point. Stop being a retard.
The literal title of the game is THE BALANCE OF LIGHT AND DARK IN A PAINTING: EXPEDITION 33
GREY
MIDDLEPOINT
NO ONE IS RIGHT
GENOCIDE BAD
BRAINWASH ALSO BAD
USE YOUR BRAIN
Renoir's biggest mistake is that he's blind to the issues of his family and it took Aline committing suicide by painting to try and fix them. Which is understandable for the most part, but he really should've noticed that his wife despises and blames his daughter for Verso's death.
The Canvas obviously exists, do you think Maelle made her new life out of nothing? The setting is pretty clear about the Painters creating their worlds from outside and through a Canvas. Anyway, the kid she is holding hands with as a little brother is the Verso soul fragment she remodelled.
The Canvas is there till she either dies and Renoir destroys it for good or he decides he can't stand losing Alicia for good so he repeats the same thing he tried with Aline invading the Canvas and starting another conflict.
crippled body
It's not THAT bad. She still has limbs and 1 eye. Yeah, the lack of depth perception is not ideal, but her face suffered not that much damage, as she kept her features, instead of them melting even harder. Stuff like that would smooth out even further after like 2-3 years, so it's not the end of the world.
And men would fight each other over the heart of a woman who cannot talk.
He missed the book about the Musicians.
i don't think the other art products wanted what happens to them either, so it's generations of lumiere versus one whiner
Anon Babble
is against escapism
Funniest shit ever
nobody's crying so it's a good ending
just don't think about all the people Verso selfishly murdered cause he's an edgy faggot
it was cute finding out esquie saved sciel from suicide
Better ending bros, when did you realize something was wrong with Maelle?
For me it was when she fucking murdered painted Alicia without letting Verso say goodbye. I know the latter asked for it and Maelle explains her reasoning well enough back at camp, but she just had this smug, self-satisfied Cheshire cat expression while killing her copy that I knew something was up. Clea probably had a similar expression while mindraping her painted copy in Flying Manor.
how the fuck do you know a fragment of a soul can't feel pain?
They are not real people.
so this game is blatantly a satire of capitalism.
the french being socialists, its kind of obvious
Verso caused the death of everyone still alive in Lumiere
...so only Lune and Sciel?
'cause he's been denied death for seven decades and counting while the painting is actively killing his retarded mother and sister
she mentions at some point it hurts to even breathe
maybe that would heal eventually but still, shit sucks
I wish someone would post that Verso line during the fight with Maelle where he says something like "we're both hypocrites forcing our will on others" or something to that extent.
If he's french, it's possible, the world map song for act II is absolutely filled to the brim with spoilers, the whole thing being a painting and Verso wanting to destroy it among them, honestly feels like they used the intended Act III world map for Act II.
Feels like I'm taking crazy pills. That ending is clearly painted as a bad ending completely undermining what her BROTHER real and fake would have wanted for her and allows her to live in a fantasy land tormenting what's left of her real brother
Not surprised retarded shut ins here can't see why that's such a bad thing. We really are back to FFTA posting
For me it was when she fucking murdered painted Alicia without letting Verso say goodbye
You mean like how Verso let Gustave die to manipulated Maelle?
Lots of free time, not being in a rush to beat the game, backtracking, knowing killing white creatures is inherently wrong.
...so only Lune and Sciel?
I meant after act 2. There has to be thousands of people below the age of 33 living in Lumiere.
Neither is a good ending
Stop coping, moving the fuck on from grieving and going back to reality is an indisputable good ending.
Yeah they're both supposed to be bittersweet except one ends with a family finally grieving together to get over it and the other ends with escapism and maelle falling into the same trap her mother did. Use your brain.
she do that to get back at him?
I've heard there's a similar dude or the same one if you kill them all
many > one
Verso has to suffer so the whole painted world lives
MaelleGODS
Life is worth preserving even if it's only temporary
There should be consequences for playing God
It's not escapism to pick the world you lived a full life in over another. For 16 years Maelle didn't know the truth. It was not escapism then and it is not now.
VersoTards
It's all fake, pull the plug
Here's how I know the boy isn't real. Why did Aline not stay with the boy and converse with it? Checkmate. You're done. If the boy was really an actual sentient part of Verso's soul do you not think his fucking mother who spent nearly 70 god damn years coping cause she couldn't cope with his death wouldn't want to interact with that living part of him? The obvious implication there is that no, the boy is not living.
How did you feel about the ending of the 4 Eva Rebuild movie
undermining what her BROTHER real and fake would have wanted for her
Why is what Verso wants more important than anything else? More important than Maelle's feelings? More important than all the people living inside the canvas?
Not to mention... she's still a Painter. She can paint again, brand new Canvases, and have a normal face and voice inside of them. Just use them to express herself, to honor those that are gone instead of ignoring the truth of what happened.
it's not called pain for no reason
kinda anti-climatic that from the axions to the end, I killed everything in pretty much one turn.
it's good but it's not happy
just kill all your friends
you can always make new ones
The painted world is not real and the real verso (what's left of him) has to suffer for it. Escapism is not healthy
It's not escapism
Stopped reading right there.
It wasn't so cute finding out she lost her unborn baby because of it
it's a real place full of real, sentient people breeding and having lives and families and shit
the entire premise of the game's start is setting out to save them and give them a chance at life
I don't give a shit about the Dessendre's family drama, any ending where Lumiere gets a fair shot instead of being instantly vaporized is a good ending in my eyes
plus it's not like leaving the canvas will necessarily give Maelle a better life, hell if anything it'll probably be worse
Yeah wasnt expecting that
The real world isn't real either, stop being a moron.
No way did you kill Paintress in one turn.
Everything afterward, yeah.
Olympus shouldn't care what happens to Greece
Real Verso is dead. His suffering is irrelevant.
but Verso ending shows that it's NOT fake and the painted people can go against their creators' wishes. Maelle's ending shows they're nothing more than toys for the Painters to play with
Because it's his canvas? Because it's a CANVAS
t.Renoir
Maelle gets to live a long happy life with the people she cares about.
Finally someone who gets is
I mean it absolutely does suck, I am not implying otherwise.
I'm just saying that it's not worth dying in a pocket dimension over, as she can still grow and find a partner, friend and develop herself as a painter or anything she wants. In the painting she is limited to her current life experience that would not develop any further and be forever stunted.
I would say that if her situation was akin to Griffith's then I would've agreed that it's better for her to stay in the painting, but she's not exactly a complete criple. Instead she's just a girl with a disfigured face and fucked vocal cords.
Yeah wasnt expecting that
You kidding? The ghost of her husband and her child didn't give you any idea of what happened? Or did you think her husband was pregnant?
but Verso ending shows that it's NOT fake and the painted people can go against their creators' wishes
So killing them is abhorrent?
Wouldn't she had to create them again anyways since 99% of the population got fromaged by Renoir?
Maelle's ending shows they're nothing more than toys for the Painters to play with
How do you retards blatantly misconstrue the ending this hard? Nothing about Maelle's ending even slightly implies she's controlling them.
If you told me I had to die but consoled me by saying a clone of me would live on in another world I'd probably punch you in the face
live fake but happy life in a fantastical world of your own creation where you can do anything you want and then you die like you would normally
go back to shitty real world and wageslave
wow what a tough choice bro
freedom from the whims of the demiurge is a mercy, not a curse
How long is this game if I play it in journalist mode? I got it as a present and I want to not waste it
stop drowning in escapism!
Their chroma still exits so they just come back exactly like how it was for Lune and Sciel.
She's going to die if she stays in there too long. The ending shows she is already corrupted.
It's the first step to moving on and learning how to better herself for the rest of her life
Her death in the painting, as we see from her mother living there fine for nearly 70 years would basically be a normal human lifespan. It's either a choice of living in the painting or living outside of it. It's just a question of which life would be happier and the obvious answer is the painted one.
FUCK OLYMPUS
The fact that Maelle brought Pierre back is a bad sign. What other unnatural 'interventions' would a maladjusted 16 year old petty god-queen do to fulfill her fantasy?
If Verso wants to die and refuses to play piano, make him play piano. If Monaco and Esqie aren't cool with mindraping their best friend, change them too. If she gets into a fight with anyone, paint them over to smooth things over. No need for death, inconvenience, or pain in her world, she's a god.
you mean besides not letting Verso die? ACTIVELY denying him his free will?
No, you're not insane, there's a lot of tracks with gibberish and then a name or random words, for example, your song starts with "Gustave, couleur" (or "douleur" pretty sure the auditory hallucination is intended).
Why is what Verso wants more important than anything else?
Because he wants directly leads to Alicia and Aline moving on.
More important than all the people living inside the canvas?
Because in the end they don't matter as much as the world outside, it is that simple, the real Verso and Clea played with his canvas like mere toys, the actual worth they have, they will never be as valuable as substitutes for reality.
I can't tell if you are genuinely mentally retarded or if you just enjoy shitposting, but either way I feel it's time to let go.
writers guild
painters guild
musicians guild
you guys think there's a Anon Babble guild? making pocket dimensions via shitposts?
She's going to die if she stays in there too long
Yeah after having lived at least a lifetime with a healthy body and people that loves her. What more could a human ask for? We will all die someday.
Yeah maelle needs to let go of the canvas, thanks for agreeing
We are the writers, anon
She can't paint over others creations and brainwash them, that's a Clea exclusive power
I think the most she can do is bring people back to life or potentially create new lives
The ending shows she is already corrupted.
Anon that isn't literal. That's just how Verso sees things projecting his worry about her dying due to staying in the painting too long. She didn't actually look like that.
Aline created humans in Verso's Canvas 'cause of grief, they weren't meant to be there. Originally the painting only had the likes of Esquie or Monoco and the Gestrals, you can see the same with the other paintings Renoir creates. Maelle would create the kind of new fantastical worlds with weird creatures that Verso and Clea did in their childhood, to make a new human civilization would be no different than staying in the Canvas to begin with: learning the wrong lesson
Because he wants directly leads to Alicia and Aline moving on.
Why is that paramount to everything else?
Because in the end they don't matter as much as the world outside
Why not?
I'm scared of the pornographer guild the most.
That's pretty horrifying honestly
How long is too long though? The parents are shown in the ending and they were in the canvas for 70 years and they didn't appear that old relatively. There must be some time dilation going on. I wish there was a middle ending shown where Maelle can enjoy a decade or so in the painting coping.
replay the game please
a clone of me
Why do you think the Verso ending goes so hard on the whole moving on angle if Maelle is then gonna go and just repaint Gustave in a new Canvas? See
It's just a question of which life would be happier and the obvious answer is the painted one.
You literally don't know that though. Neither does Maelle, since she's a dumb 16y.o.
She can easily find happines while not being stuck in a fake sims simulation of her dream moment
Nothing about Maelle's ending even slightly implies she's controlling them.
Verso is literally freaking out trying to play the piano and trying to stop.
I think you should replay the game anon since you clearly don't actually understand how it works
they weren't meant to be there
According to who?
He probably means the specifics of how and when did she lose it
We will all die someday
is that why she can't handle verso's death
yeah because the idea is that the same thing is going to happen to her. Whether it's symbolic or literal is not the point, it's going to happen which is why it was shown. She's following her mom's footsteps
She can easily find happines
WWI soon
she's all scared and fucked up, living with the abusive family
AHAHAHAHAHA
wait. actually, each board would be it's own dimension
The time dilation bit is actually wild, since people with a week left to live outside could hop in and spend several more years doing whatever with a younger body
Although I'm sure Versofags would insist they spend it suffering crippling pain instead because it's genuine
You know how I best move on from trauma of losing people?
If someone else kills everyone I hold dear in front of me, then destroys the world I have spent 16 years out of my life because they say I don't get to be in it
After I put every ounce of my being in trying to save it
That really does it for me
I am getting better already!
-ACK
He loves her deeply, which is why he saved her at the cost of everything else.
Verso is literally freaking out trying to play the piano and trying to stop
No he's not.
Sorry kids, Verso REALLY wants to kill himself and make me go back to being a burn victim so you all have to die
Verso is literally freaking out trying to play the piano and trying to stop.
What a retarded assumption to make. Verso loves playing the piano. Why the fuck would he want to stop?
Some of you are alright, don't come to Anon Babblenvas tomorrow
freemason guild
where verso says "I don't want this"
You mean the asshole who tried to doom his world multiple times pretending he's doing for someone else because he's too much of a coward to ask for a suicide? He can go get fucked, it's the perfect punishment for him. Remember that against Sirene, no one showed, he only cares about himself, he just uses other as justification to hide it, every time he can act to further his goals, he's eager to betray everyone, already happened before with Julie for example, 33 was just the lastest.
15~20 hours if rushing, up to 50~60 if doing side content
This should be the sequel btw. Exploring the different guilds and the tie ins with WW1 starting in this messed up fantasy world.
According to the creator of the Canvas who never put any of them there.
And she can easily find happiness IN the painting. You're making a complete non argument here.
Kids are already dead, jack. Every non-Dessandre human died in the end of act 2, anything else is a shade copy, an unnatural revenant
M-Maelle?
He never said that the humans shouldn't exists.
Good to know, thanks.
Well, the Sirene cutscene + belly scar was making it pretty obvious what happened but the question was how.
Expedition 60 went Super Saiyan to cross the gommage barrier
but there's also Expediton 70 flags
Huh? How did the 70s get past the death barrier?
According to you. Literally nothing ever implies that. That's your headcanon.
Anon Babble still struggling with this
I like the Maelle ending because it's more tragic.
Eh, the game is not concise enough about the lore of chroma to know that.
If Lune and Sciel are fine, the rest are probably fine too, that is the only thing we have to go by.
According to the fact we only ever see them created by the mad cunt that kickstarts all the problems in the game and that neither her pre-Verso death, Renoir or child Verso/Clea ever created human societies inside paintings. It's unbelievably fucking cruel.
Not to mention that the party needs Alines help to beat him as otherwise he'd just keep healing forever.
muh WW1
They don't live in irl france, the city is still called Lumiere etc. So we don't know if the war happens.
And even if a war broke out, she's a daughter of a rich artist living in not-Paris, she'll be fine.
There won't be any sequel. It's obvious they'll go the Final Fantasy route with their franchise. Standalone games with somewhat related themes.
He has reservations about living and is contemplating how he's going to cope with his new reality and how to accept it. Nothing about that suggests Maelle is literally controlling him and he's fighting against it. That is absolute headcanon. Also Alica quite literally can't control anyone in the painting since she's not the one who created them. They literally say this is how it works in game. At most she can gommage them.
I agree with him in the end but him letting Gustave die on purpose is psychotic. He says he checked in on Maelle multiple times while she grew up, he must have known he was her father figure.
Yes he is. Why do you think the game uncomfortably lingers on him not playing the piano after balling up his fists? Stage anxiety?
She can still create another canvas at any point and give herself whatever body she wants.
the gooners guild can create life and all they need is a woman
They are not humans, they are paintings, and they were never meant to be part or his Canvas, simple as that.
that kickstarts all the problems in the game
That's Renoir. If Renoir had left the canvas alone the people inside would be living long happy lives.
The only reason Marche was right is because the book was overriding reality, not creating a separate world. It's not at all the same circumstance, so you are just retarded.
the city is still called Lumiere etc
No? It's literally called Paris in-game. Did you speedrun the game?
Maelle
Verso has cuck energy, unlike other the chad painting inhabitants
To be fair this was a Verso before he regained his attachment to people. The Verso in act 3 would not have left Gustave to die.
implying that anon has actually played FFT
Says you. And I disagree.
Her range of experiences is limited by her own and her imagination in the painting. While irl doesn't have to subscribe to her limited span of knowledge.
Since we're on Anon Babble, that's like saying that you shouldn't try any other game, just because you like fallout 2.
What a good thread full of civilized people and no schizo shitposters for once.
He knew, that's specifically why he let Gustave die. Because breaking her strongest tie to this world was the best bet at getting her out of it and getting it erased.
There are consequences to playing god
So I will play god and create back all of my dead friends
Go to sleep, Aline. You're a shit mother.
It’s a world where the 33rd of december is a date, so who knows if it even follows real world trajectory.
The Verso in act 3 would not have left Gustave to die
Verso in act 3 left everyone to die. Including his life long friends.
Yeah, in france we start our days with pain and then put some rape on our pasta for lunch.
Renoir one-shotted him. Didn’t even get his turn. And simon never figured out how to block. Maybe you need a lumina converter to block.
Anon Babble janitors making worlds using boards
at war with reddit moderators who can make worlds using subreddits
devs you better be writing this shit down
It's still escapism, it's still not healthy. It's still people using an alternate reality to escape their real life situation to the detriment of others
It's from FFTA and I've played all 3. Marche and Verso are both correct
verso's is clearly the good ending honestly, the entire framing of Maelle's ending is like a fucking horror story. she keeps a hollowed child painting for her own pleasure, and characters like Gustav only exist because on top of that de facto slavery. I actually think Gustav would be horrified
no, act 3 verso kills them instead after stringing them along for their help because he's le tired
genocide is good because I headcanon the other endings as slavery
Bro what the fuck are you talking about?
is limited by her own and her imagination in the painting
Not in the slightest. These are sentient people who have lived even longer than Maelle herself has in some cases. What the fuck are you even making this assumption that her experience would be limited by her own imagination when she isn't even the one actively controlling anything?
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It was pretty fucked up seeing Gustave, Sophie, and Pierre there
escapism is good, revenge is based, if you kill him you WON'T be just like him, and condemning the whole world to save one person you care about is justified
the black and white ending with the jumpscare sound and fucked up scary Maelle face is actually good because... IT JUST IS ALRIGHT?!
AFAIK the real world is the real world just with illuminati / mage: the ascension / harry potter painters and writers manipulating shit in the background. I mean, going by Verso's gravestone, they use anno domini date notation, gregorian calendar, etc. Jesus existed.
Just shows how actually talking about a game and ignoring all the retarded baiting works
Needs to happen far more here
You are making up whatever you want escapism to be to fit your arguments, so nah. You are wrong and you will always be.
You can disagree all you want, you vouch for a escapism delusion that is self-destructive, you will never be right, but you can always dream of being in the right and that's enough for the likes of you.
Looks like the type of guy who force feeds his wife.
she has control of the Canvas, she can do basically whatever she wants
WAKE UP SHEEPIES
THE "PEOPLE" IN THE PAINTING ARE IN AN ENDLESS REINCARNATION CYCLE DUE TO THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF CHROMA
IT'S AN ENDLESS CYCLE
BREAK THE WHEEL OF SUFFERING
RISE ABOVE
Yeah I can see how seeing people alive would be fucked up to a bloodthirsty psychopath.
nuh uh you're wrong
Versofags would destroy anon's going-into-games machine
Okay, can of nuln oil
well
he also died on the 33rd of December so it's not QUITE the same
No she doesn't. None of the beings in the canvas were painted by Maelle which the game SPECIFICALLY tells you means Maelle can't control them. The most she can do is bring them back or remove them but outside of that she has no control over what they do. Someone skipped the act 3 side activities.
elemental rape
Damn.
Versogods would save anon from the matrix.
just seemed like a weird power trip thing
they're the kind of faggots who think you HAVE to suffer in the 'real' world (even if the alternate world is just as legitimate) because... well you just fucking have to ok?
The most she can do is bring them back
so...she's repainting them from scratch, which means she has control of them. And she has control of Verso, who she didn't paint.
I fucking love how we get entire threads just dedicated to back and forth conversations about the ending. I honestly can't think of any game that has had an ending THIS contentious.
Reminds me of Noco
Why in the world would it be
No, she can do what she did with Sciel and Lune
And again, she doesn't have control of Verso
Anon Babble taking the blue pill
ironic, isn't it?
she's repainting them from scratch
No she doesn't. She brings them back from their existing chroma.
And she has control of Verso
She does not.
I thought this was obvious. The Gestrals explicitly function like this, and the implication is that the limited amount of chroma going to humans is fucking up their reincarnation cycle.
Simon's design is so much cooler that Gustave's.
No wonder Gustave lost, he didn't have the MC energy.
She does not have control of Verso. Are you retarded?
Maelle had a jump scare and looked like she was crying
taken from your waifu's dimension so you can wagecage and pay tribute to your corrupt government again because it's the right thing to do™
I think you need to learn how to read anon cause you clearly fucked up something there. Being able to gather the Chroma of that specific person who was painted to make them again as they where when they were gommaged is not the same thing as having any kind of control over them after they've been created again. Again, someone very CLEARLY did not do all the act 3 side activities or else you'd clearly know why you're wrong.
She's just bringing them together, she also can't control Verso.
ONLY CLEA IS EXPLICITLY STATED TO BE GOOD ENOUGH OF A PAINTER TO PAINT OVER THE PAINTINGS OF OTHERS
PLAY THE GAME COME ON GUYS
What, really? Oh well then maybe, I couldn’t understand anything said in those lyrics.
YOU CAN'T FUCK YOUR ANIME/FURRY WAIFU OKAY!?
SHEKELBERG NEEDS YOU TO BE AT THE FACTORY 7 SHARP
That was Verso's fear projection of what he THINKS will happen.
That's your headcanon
let me just completely ignore everything involving renoir/aline
So in Verso's ending do you see the painted people disappearing as Maelle finally coming to terms with them being gone and moving on or as a sombre reminder that the happiness she had in the painting will never be regained? I think those are like the 2 ways you could take that shot.
I can see how you'd interpret it that way, sure. I would also personally expect it to happen as well, given what we know
You retards keep bringing that up that obviously outdated information. Maelle didn't paint at all as Alicia, she's grown into her prodigious powers throughout the game. And she obviously and patently paints of Verso in her ending in forcing him to live on and play piano, that's the whole chroma flowing eyes jumpscare
Anyone saying the people in the canvas aren't real is a retard. Sure, I guess their existence is questionable on a purely physical level, but they clearly have thoughts, feelings, ambitions, etc. They're sentient. They don't deserve to be destroyed. Anyone that can't see that is a brainlet
Could be both.
No, that happens directly before maelle asks if verso could have saved him. But she looked incredibly smug and pleased with herself for erasing her copy! Couldn’t believe what I was seeing. She was definitely more Alicia than Maelle at that point.
It always impresses me how they say that their mother is supposedly the best painter but Clea can do that shit and her slight alteration of her painted self was enough to dramatically tip the scales toward her father's side despite him being admittedly a worse painter than their mother.
Since this is a general story thread: My biggest complaint is that they really did nothing with the idea of "For those who come after." The only path it shows really being paved by previous expeditions are the handholds and grapples points. The other 65 expeditions left their flags around and those serve a gameplay purpose but they don't do a good job selling the idea that the only reason 33 wins is because of what the previous expeditions did. The "greatest expedition" ghosts don't really count because it's really the nevrons trapping chroma more than the expeditioners that lead to that. I feel like I would be fine with things being mostly the same if Gustave's death integrated the idea more. Obviously sudden death is an important thing to talk about in a game generally about grief. There are deaths you see coming like with an illness, deaths you fear are coming like a soldier, and deaths you never suspected like an accident and those very surprising deaths are worth touching on, like with Sciel's husband and the real Verso. Gustave specifically really deserved to have done something with his death. Bought time, permanently injured paint renoir, broken Maelle's barrier, something specifically for those who come after. He leaves a legacy and his lumina converter is ultimately what changes the fate of the world, but he did that back in Lumiere. Given that he faced his death and knew it, narratively it just feels like something's missing to just have him lose.
They both have deadly consequences, don't be disingenuous, only the scale is different; an entire world is being consumed in FFTA and two people were drugging themselves to death in E33.
you HAVE to suffer
Nigger, do you retreat to your cuckshead at every hint of adversity? Maelle is a daughter of an extremely rich painter family, the same family that is going through unfucking itself after Verso saved Maelle, has magic powers and has working limbs and eyesight. At worst she'll get over this childish idiocy later than sooner.
Escaping into fiction instead of conforning your problems has never solved anything.
And she obviously and patently paints of Verso in her ending in forcing him to live on and play piano
No she doesn't.
that's the whole chroma flowing eyes jumpscare
That just how painters look while in the painting. We see the same on Renoir, Aline, and Clea.
Your retardation making you unable to understand a cutscene is of no consequence to me.
Now that's just wishful thinking.
I became a better painter because I can hit for more damage
The eyes thing is just a stark reminder that she is still outside the painting and stuck in it, just as the eyes of her parents were when they were in it.
Not story related but I dont think theres a boss that has ever raped me harder than Simon
Probably the first option since they look like they are at peace are waving goodbye
I quickly realized the main path by determining which path seemed more cool, detailed, or bigger.
Yeah, it literally has "Verso déchirera le canvas" in its lyrics which is "Verso will tear the canvas".
The former. The ending could've framed her as sad and depressed throughout the funeral but she's seen somewhat smiling. I'd like to think she accepts reality and starts healing, but keeping her memories as Maelle close to her heart forevermore.
Shut up Versofags, you are a battery for my perfect world
You shouldn't live an alternate but equally valid life that would make you happier and be less painful because uhhhh
Yeah not buying it Mr. Jew
Verso's ending is for the best, Alicia/Maelle can learn to create another painting and bring Lune/Sciel/Gustave back if she so desires. Just needs to hold on the memories of who they were, but Verso is the victim in amongst it all.
In saying that, Maelle's ending had some straight up fucking kino shots that I am gobsmacked this is a video game and not arthouse film.
To me, Verso suffering in the Maelle ending is a plus, not a negative
If it was someone like Gustave, I would actually feel bad
fromaged
Kek surprised it took so many threads to read this
My ideal VR world is powered up by the suffering soul of my brother?
Good
The eyes yeah but when they stay too long it starts to leak out of it and cover the face too
I think Verso's just seething at painters in general and seeing that on his sister showing he sees her now as another painter and not as his sister which is why he's crying.
Maelle makes everyone in her world undying and truly immortal because she cannot handle loss so now everyone is Verso
This is a good thing
Not as retarded as your failure to understand the whole theme of the game
Headcanon
your ability to play through the entire game and come to the conclusion "Maelle being negatively effected by trapping herself inside a painting to grieve is just Verso imagining things" is very impressive
Maelle gave Verso the chance at a long happy life, she should thank him and get over his emo edge lord phase. NIgger's over 100 years old and still acts like a whiney teenager.
They will suffer forever when she dies
It's okay because she had fun with them before that
Nah it's the latter. They are getting gommaged after all.
It's the trade-off for the ending as both are supposed to have consequences.
That's why she stays behind at the grave when the rest move on and Maelle also gets erased. She loses it all is the point, her friends and her life erased alongside Verso.
She makes Verso mortal. Why would she then make everyone else immortal?
She brought back Sciel's husband who died five years before the events of the game.
equally valid
Maelle can't even travel outside of the continent to visit other countries, since she never been. Aline's painting is filled with samefaces because she didn't meet that many people. Everything is locked and limited by the painter's imagination. That's not true life, that's living in a waking dream of a single moment of your life.
but equally valid life
It's not equally valid, it's a life of addiction huffing on a delusion that is killing you away.
parents huddled together ignoring her and not smiling
her sister instantly fucks off without evne looking at her
left all alone with nobody left on her side
Anyone who thinks Verso's ending is the "good" ending is a retard.
Odd to talk about yourself in third person but alright
suffering because my mother was using it a lot so dad and sister took a hammer to the battery to force me to stop using it
let's also not address the idea that if this is how the VR world works, then what does that mean of all the other VR headsets in that same room?
She doesn't make Verso mortal, she can only erase him.
Gustave exerting his free will, stopping himself from touching the piano keys
Maelle sees this and starts painting
He begins playing
What other reading is there? What was she painting if not over his free will? The whole scene shot in black and white, chiaroscuro, letterbox framing, the sinister and chilling score, the jumpscare. The auteur vision of the devs is to evoke sinister horror, not a happy ending.
She doesn't make Verso mortal
She makes him able to grow old. How else are we supposed to interpret that? Do you think she only makes it so his hair turn gray?
question: what's to stop Maelle just repainting Gustav, Lune, etc. again on a fresh canvas that isn't cursed by having Verso's soul? Renoir said both he and Aline had been lost in their own canvases before so it's not like these are the only painted people in existence
Yeah, why is Verso so mad about Maelle and his parent's using the last shard of his soul to play fucking Sims VR
The painted Verso we see at the end of Maelle's ending, is that Aline's creation or Maelle's creation?
Did you play the optional content at all? His hair is naturally grey, he dyes it.
Do Monoco's quest line and stop being retarded
lumiere niggas have a right to live
Lumiere niggas should never have existed
His hair turned grey decades ago, he just got it dyed by gestrals because he felt embarrassed by it.
Everything is locked and limited by the painter's imagination
this isn't true. the people are self aware and can have children that are not creations of the paintress
Don't got much to add but wanted to give you a (You) because it's a good post
i have a right to a long happy marriage with my wife lune
well they do now so they have a right to not be vaporized and forgotten
Verso is a suicidal sad boy. He is conflicted because he is still living despite wanting to die. He is conflicted because Maelle is still in the painting.
She conjures up perfect Lune and Sciel without any issue
Were you not paying attention at all during the last act? Where the fuck do so many of you get this retarded idea that Maelle's imagination has anything to do with anything?
oh no no no no
Did you play Maelle's ending? She tells him that she is making it so he can grow old. The hair thing was just me making a joke.
bro this is a good ending the piano sting and this are good things they bring about pleasant, good feelings.
cursed by having Verso's soul?
It's not cursed because of that. All paintings have slivers of the painter's soul. It's just that Verso only ever bothered with one as he was a musicfag so it's what the otherwise painter family ended up fixating on.
I am a philistine
We noticed Anon.
Absolutely nothing. She could just do that. There's an argument that it wouldn't be real Lune, Gustave etc. since they died, but that's not a good argument, since she brings them back after they were erased using her memories of them anyway. And we know that the only soul inside the canvas is Verso's, besides the painter family.
So yeah, Maelle literally could just remake the world later and NOT torment her brother's soul.
This is about as retarded as saying if you're heart stopped and you get resuscitated you're now a different you since you technically died. That's how retarded what you're saying is. Lune and Sciel and the rest were quite literally remade from themselves. The chroma that constitutes their "soul" was regathered and made the exact same people. If she painted new people they wouldn't be the same.
the ending is black and white so it's worse than killing thousands of people
For fuck's sake, this Maelle's final line in her ending:
If you could grow old, would you... find a reason to smile?
As she denies Verso's death wish, yes his white hair is dyed black throughout the game, but she made him grow older in the end in her attempt to make Verso see her way, you can see his aged face in plain view in the end.
Why are you this stupid
Fuck off back to the canvas Verso
since she brings them back after they were erased using her memories of them anyway.
she finds their chroma before escaping lumiere, then uses that to bring them back
so, ostensibly, it is really their old selves but if she painted them from scratch in a different canvas it wouldn't be
Dude, they all have the sameface. And by the looks of it (Simon/Gustave and Clea/Sophie) are locked into similar relationships through reincarnations.
We don't know if you can transfer Chroma from one painting to another though and in the canvas Chroma is basically the soul. It's safe to assume you can't. Once you paint something you can't just reuse the paint.
I will now paint you older (thing I cannot do, as I cannot paint over others paintings) and this somehow means you will have aged.
While, of course, everyone else remains the same age. This is silly to me.
I DON'T WANT TO LIVE, ANON
The chroma stays within the canvas, while it's already debatable if using the exact same chroma to recreate them would make them the real Gustave and such, if it's in another canvas it's absolutely not them.
She collects their Chroma before escaping Lumière
They are kissless virgins that want to stay in SAO, anon
We have absolutely no confirmation that that's the way it works. In fact Alicia says the opposite to Lube and promises she will make paintings inside the canvas for her to travel into as she cannot leave the canvas otherwise. Would ve odd if that meant she CAN leave but copy paste is a hassle.
LET ME DIE LET ME DIE LET ME DIE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
small dev team pls understand
they hated him because he said the truth
Bringing them back is no different than hitting Undo in ms paint. They’re the same.
There's nothing stopping Maelle living a long life in the painting and feeling content having overcome her grief and leaving the painting on her own. She has decades to get over her issues.
Bro, that's just magic paint. It's like saying that my two custodes terminators are the same one because I used the same can of agrax earthshade on both.
Quickly before the thread dies
What choice would
Esquie
Choose? Think hard about this one.
In the same canvas it's already not the same person as we can see from the Monoco questline and Noco's reincarnation. It just looks like them.
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Opener could be interpreted as the bowowow of a dog
YOU WILL PLAY YOUR FUCKING PIANO AND BE HAPPY
Context clues indicate that she won't. She lies when she says she would in the first place and in her ending we see the canvas starting to take its toll.
He wouldn't chose
Make wildly retarded claim
People react with shock at your retardation
Heh, haters gonna hate, gotcha
No anon the gestrals were designed to reincarnate and lose their memories. The game literally tells you that Verso specifically made them like that. It's a false equivalence.
did you completely ignore the entire game except for the ending?
Yeah we aren't led to believe that from the ending though. She is obviously corrupted/decayed and the whole thing comes off as creepy.
And by the looks of it (Simon/Gustave and Clea/Sophie) are locked into similar relationships through reincarnations.
This is retarded, you're the only one pushing this innane theory.
People of France, a good looking, depressed guy, smoking a cigarette, is not a movie.
Keeping painting world happy even if for a limited time obviously
Yes she won't as she is now but time heals all wounds.
we see the canvas starting to take its toll.
I'm of the "that's not literally happening and just a metaphor about Verso's perspective" mind.
if it were me I'd stay in the canvas, let Verso die, then just make my own Verso
maybe that makes me a psycho, eh
Marche is such a fucking retard, pretending being in Ivalice stunts your personal growth, yet they stand up to the bullies after returning. Because they grew through their adventures in Ivalice. Furthermore, there is literally ZERO repercussions from staying in Ivalice, unlike in this gaym.
dei hires getting obnoxious
feeling content having overcome her grief and leaving the painting on her own
That is what Verso pictures in his head, anon. That's why it goes black and white.
he wouldn't accept either choice. he would figure out a compromise.
thing I cannot do
What else Maelle couldn't do before? Bring anyone whose chroma were long gone. She now has all the depleting chroma from the Canvas all for herself, she can do whatever the fuck she wants now as the sole reigning goddess in the Canvas till the chroma dries and everything collapses.
He'd say whichever one gets chosen is a good choice and give you a hug.
I don't blame canvasfags if a shit family and disability are all that await you outside
The parents come out of the painting and there doesn't seem like much damage either besides mild aging. The father says you can get lost in painting but it seems like a will power issue.
Marche was right then and right now. They only grew because of what he did
She CAN'T because she isn't GOOD enough, it's not about chroma.
I don't know man, having the ability to create sentient beings and do anything with them is kinda fucked up.
Verso is not special;
Everyone in the painting world besides Maelle, Paintress & Curator are victims of their godlike delusions.
Verso if anything should consider himself glad since he had a much easier life than some random in Lumiere who got eaten by a Nevron or gommaged
No the Gestrals are a specific case, the equivalent would be to make a boat, disassemble it and then use the exact same materials to remake the exact same boat, can they really be considered the same boat? That's why I'm saying it's debatable, if it's another painting, the base materials wouldn't be the same in the first place.
is kinda
Cool
This was a great thread. You guys are alright.
Are you insane? He's been suffering over a hundred years, a quick death would be vastly preferable.
treating objects with sapience as lesser because of the circumstances of their creation is fitting with the early 1900s setting of the game
GOMMAGE IS ONLY BAD BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVERYONE AT ONCE
ALINE CREATED UNTOLD SUFFERING BY REFUSING TO LET RENOIR GOMMAGE EVERYONE AT ONCE
To be fair he had been suffering because he's an absolute retard like the rest of the family, not for any other reason
It is about the chroma, she had no full control of it as two other much more powerful painters were taking control of it inside the Canvas.
Do people think this family is the entirety of the Painters or are they just a family of wizards and there are a ton more?
Stupid doomer
660 posts and not even page 10
Expedition 33 bros, we fucking won
paint yourself a gf, anon
Aline is the head of the guild and there is an all out war between then and Writers, so
That's only for bringing people back, she can't paint over others creations.
No, the mother is the head of the painters guild which very clearly implies more painters exist outside of their family.
i imagine it's sort of like those warring crime families but with artshit
Gestrals are different since they got lobotomized by reviving.
Considering painters are shown to be literal gods in the canvas, there's nothing to say Maelle couldn't bring everyone back exactly as they were
but they wouldn't be the exact same
now it's just semantics. Especially since the only one who would care would be Maelle herself, not like Gustave 2.0 or any of the Lumiere 2.0 residents would know
what clea did to painted clea and simon should be considered a war crime
Precisely, even Aline gets it and she recreated her own family!
Imagine how horrifying the first gommage must have been. You're just living your life when suddenly a giant lying lady draws a 99 on a tree snd a bunch of old fags turn into flowers.
The whole 1 of them
There's a reason why they only restarted the expeditions at like 74 or something.
Fucking oldies good riddance.
Wouldn't it just kill people over a 100 fucking years old?
At most it got some random granny, people barely live to a 100 today, getting to a 100 in fucking late 1800s Paris seems harder than getting Maelle to stop worshipping Gustave's cock
It may be for the best, from a perspective that begins outside the painted world, but I can’t stop thinking about everyone who was lost by doing so. They are alive, just not the same way people outside the painting are.
I kneel to the french
Anon Babble in charge of who to gommage that year
Kinda true though. There's not much drawn out existential trauma just going poof into the evangelion orange juice flowers.
They lived full lives as a society and civilization, let them fade in happiness.
she can't paint over others creations.
When she didn't have all the chroma in the world at her disposal, this is a meaningless discussion, Maelle's last line is about Verso growing old and his character model in the ending has visible aging lines on his cheeks and hands, he is older.
PAPA VA T'EN
wrong, going to ivalice is like going to a 1st world country from a 3rd and never returning, because it's simply better. But Marche would drag you back into the gutter because UHHH YOUR LIFE MUST SUCK
more families, and more guilds
Writer's guild is in London
Painters guild in Paris
Musician/Opera guild in Germany
DLC will be kino
Versofags are the type of people who would decline immortality because it's a heckin curse bro, just let me die!
There was Expedition 00 after the Cataclysm, then the next one was Expedition 84
Writers all being stuck up bongs would be hilarious.
At the very most it could be a new Verso, but it will not be the previous one.
It is literally a fantasy world. It's an isekai.
Aline was in the canvas for over 60 years and couldn't get over her grief, the fuck is wrong with her?
im sure you wont regret it after spending trillions of years stuck in your own mind unable to do anything
i'd love it by virtue of feeding into the bong vs frog conflict
and?
She just needed space!
Oh no the game is gonna be called Penny Dreadful something something
The fracture itself would have been way worse than the first gommage. The entire city was split in half. Tons of people died
It's unhealthy, nerd. Now get back in the wheelchair and let me throw rocks at you
She a boy mom. She hated her daughters and only cared about Verso.
Woman moment
Given the size of the cock she painted on him I can guess why
Maman, did Verso, uhh, really have a thirty-centimeter trouser monster..? Monoco has started calling it my "third blade"...
God would finally kill me
we'll get Francois as an Esquie stand in
Nothing
That's normal for women who love their children, typically only unwanted pregnancies or forced marriages have mothers stop caring after x amount of time
Sometimes I forget it's a >french game
Clea wasn't favored by either parent. No wonder she ended up such an asshole
That's just typical middlechild angst, tale as old as time. Mom loves the eldest son, dad makes a princess out of the youngeat
Clea loved Verso like a french sibling would
Seeing who her painted version got with infuriated her to no end
Isn't Clea the oldest?
Yeah I'm pretty sure Verso is younger than Clea.
That shit really is fucking large. Modeled too, with depth. Frogs, man.
She didn't stay just because she needed to be close to Verso things, she stayed because she hated the idea of the last bits of Verso being destroyed. She felt like she had to stay to fight Renoir. The irony is that Renoir had to fight her because she stayed. They were both hurting each other by deciding what the other was going to do and their attempts to prevent that future caused the other to fight for that future to come true.
Renoir wouldn't have done shit if she didn't lock herself in there, he hated the idea of destroying the canvas.
You think Aline gave it a test ride?
How the fuck can Gustave be dead
this is fucking bullshit fuck Verso Maelle is supposed to marry Gustave
Verso did want to die rather vehemently. Checks out.
Uhh anon you'd better not read the threads before beating the game
wow going to europe from africa is an isekai
strange small hairy creatures (italy)
strange taller hairy creatures (france)
bizarre ice people (finland)
orks (everything north of the balkans)
isekai towns (germany)
electricity
etc etc
She didn't stay just because she needed to be close to Verso things, she stayed because she hated the idea of the last bits of Verso being destroyed. She felt like she had to stay to fight Renoir.
Holy headcanon. She literally made her ideal family in the canvas including giving them immortality, she was ready to stay their until she died. Renoir had no intention of destroying the painting until it was clear Alina had no intention of leaving.
This great! This game creates two very different camps of thought about what is right and wrong. We’ll be having philosophical discussion for ages on here because of it :D
Kill me now
Endless pointless debates are coming up! Oh man, like the good old times after that garbage telltale zombie game.
Can't wait.
I'm
Team #Verso
Can't wait to conjure up endless headcanon with anons!