Do I really have to play a doom clone before the others

Do I really have to play a doom clone before the others

do (You) really have to be such a huge faggot?

yes

Yes. You can't be a fan of a series unless you've beaten every game in it.

Arena is an Ultima Underworld clone. And worse in every possible way

THIS is a Doom clone
TES Arena is a different fruit

No. You can stay with Daggerfall or Morrowind. And don't play anything after Morrowind.

I've yet to see a man acknowledging these two

Where's Nightdive to bring these back?

They're fun games. Completed them both last year.

I dont often say this, but Arena is too clunky.

Och, laddie, ye do if'n ye want ta be a true Scotsman.

They namedrop Stros M'kai in every Elder Scrolls game. Todd clearly still loves his first baba

the only way to recover health at the beginning is to lie down

can't lie down on the dungeon floor or rats will nibble your toes off

can't get soaked or water niggers eat you

exit dungeon

it's night

there's no one on the streets except prostitutes

it's snowing

the map doesn't differentiate between normal houses and inns

meet a handsome stranger

get killed

Such is life in The Elder Scrolls: Arena. At least it isn't Daggerfall where you get killed by the first Imp you come across.

How does it compare to daggerfall?

You can't save scum?

Redguard is well known just because of how wacky Cyrus as a character ends up being in lore

Yes, but the idea here is that you'll get ultra-fucked if you exit the first dungeon at night. There are only those prostitutes around that point you to the "nearest" inn that can be 3 minutes away. All the while, there are monsters and HANDSOME STRANGERS walking around at night. I call them that because it's usually a Nord wearing full armor that will immediately buttfuck you.

The game is smaller in scope, actually. Although the dungeons and cities are procedurally generated, you only need to finish the 7 or so dungeons where the fragments of the staff are. You can also go into specific dungeons and get artifacts that catapult your stats much farther than normal level grinding would.

The initial dungeon is much more survivable than Daggerfall's. The enemies are usually easier, except for fuckers that use Paralyze. There are exploits out of the ass, just like Daggerfall. You can make yourself immune to magic but have a critical weakness against poison/other crap, which just overlaps (since most enemies cast magic to inflict those statuses). You can basically finish the main quest by going through the same dungeon 7 times.

They're available on Steam

Daggerfall is an improvement in every way. There's only two missing features, but there's tons of new ones.

its ultima underworld clone but its up to you arena its the most disconnected in lore besides rescue uriel 7 of evil wizard

battlespire have the most powerful unarmed build that if it wasnt by forced plot mcguffins you punch merunes dagon back to oblivion

in daggerfall i got trolled by a shaman orc disguising as a npc that teleported me to a CBT dungeon and good luck exiting a daggerfall dungeon

simpler and no character build you re constrained by classes gimmicks

you re gay we get it

it would be a lot more fun if it were a doom clone
it's an ultima underworld clone

I'm probably a minority here, but I did enjoy Arena more than I did Daggerfall. Perhaps because of its straigthforward simplicity. Less need to walk through the cities, no unbearable dungeons, better enemy scaling, no letters to start quests, no need to talk to NPCs, no buggy questlines, less metagaming.

Nah just play Doom instead. Start with 1, then 2, then 64, then nuDoom, then Doomyternal.

no hexen/heretic

why come?

we truly live in an arena

There's only two missing features

which ones

Has no one made a high quality TES wad for Doom?

Level design. Not Doom.
No. Start with Morrowind. If you can't stand the dice roll mechanic then do Oblivion. If you really want to try Elder Scrolls for what it is then that's Daggerfall.

Battlespire is pretty cool, probably the most esoteric TES before Morrowind, yeah that includes Redguard.
Yeah, but Todd is a fucking idiot that didn't liked his Tomb Raider clone failed, that's why we are getting Redguard 2 with TES VI.

Aside from the hubs, Doom 2 was very much a switch/trigger hunt in later episodes. I don't see much difference, except with the sequels which were more Quake than Doom.

Made by B-team and not real games. It's like saying Link: The Faces of Evil is considered canon and a true Zelda game.

Doom 2's level design is completly different from Hexen's and Heretic's. I'm not saying those are bad games. I'm just saying they're level design leaves a lot to be desired.

Heretic and Hexen have some of the best level design in all of FPS.

Nah, skip the new entries and play Doom 3 last. It's flawed but at least it does something different. NuDoom is just a bland and safe imitation of the OG Doom games without actually understanding what made them good. Not to mention Eternal turns the Doom series into a Marvel movie.

Don't expect anyone to take you seriously when you promote Doom 3.

you beat merunes dagon by mcguffins but you slash him not watch sean bean turning into a dragon and he isnt a giant jelly made atronach

doom clone

Doom: Release Date December 10th, 1993

Arena: Release Date March 25th, 1994

Damn they cloned that shit quick back in the day. In fact it is even faster then those dates imply.

The game was originally due to release on Christmas Day 1993 but it was then released three months later in March 1994.

Impressive that they made a clone in as little as two weeks after Doom released. Oh but then Computer Gaming World played a preview in November of the game so they could write about it in the December 1993 release of the magazine. So they must have cloned it by breaking into iD's offices and grabbed a copy to reverse engineer.

Explain further

Arena and Battlespire take place at the same time with two heroes: the apprentice banishes Dagon back to Oblivion, and, without his support, Jagar Tharn (Dagon's representative on Tamriel) is defeated by the Eternal Champion. And what happens in Oblivion? You have two heroes: Martin and the PC; the player fights Mankar, Dagon's representative on Tamriel, while Martin, a magic-user, banishes Dagon back to Oblivion. In fact, Dagon's death animation is the same as in Battlespire, rays of light come out of his body until he disappears in a flash. Then there's Martin's message about the next pages of the Elder Scrolls being written by (you), which is very similar to the last message at the end of Arena's MQ. And of course, almost everything daedra-related was made for Battlespire: Dark Seducers, Xivilai (though it was one guy instead of an entire race), Oblivion being compared to an ocean, the 'marble walls'...

OB is one big reference to pre-MW lore.

oh yeah i forgot about passwall. a morrowind book references it

I tried to play Battlespire but it just crashed.

the events in Oblivion are also in a book in Morrowind, and referenced by an NPC

maybe

They did in 1996 called Strife

Arena plays nothing like Doom and no you don't have to. You can actually disregard all the games in this series except for Morrowind though some would say Oblivion and Skyrim are worth playing at least once

Morrowind and Oblivion were actually planned all the way back in 1998. They appear in the intro to Redguard. I thought that was neat.

tfw Eye of Argonia never ever

Yeah, sorry. I don't make the rules

theres absolutely no reason to play the Arena and Daggerfall and desu you shouldn't bother with Morrowind either. Just play Oblivion and Skyrim.

yes, you won't be able to follow the story in the other ones unless you play them all in order

It's literally the opposite, Oblivion is a straight retcon of Battlespire's plot.
At the end of Battlespire you allegedly do one of the worst things a mortal could do to a Daedra Lord, and the game says that Dagon would be gravely wounded by it that he would need ages to recover. Only 30 years later and Oblivion happens. The MC from Battlespire is presumably still alive.

The truth is that Battlespire is one of the most thoroughly retconned, least revisited games in the entire series. It was made by the OG Arena and Daggerfall crew, it was expanding on their original vision of the TES universe. Shortly after, Todd, Kirkbride and Kuhlmann worked on TES Adventures: Redguard, the PGE1 was written, and the rest is history.

For me, it's the mod that adds the entirety of 'The Terminator: Rampage' as it's own dungeon.

Redguard is dope. I would love another Elder Scrolls Adventures.