Sacrifice personal relationships entire life to focus on research

The camp and main story dialogue feel like they were written by two different people.

After building up all the painted characters and their resolve, the game basically called you an escapist loser if you picked Maelle ending...

I would never betray her

her kids could have been her slave lab assistants like she was to her parents. Stop making excuses for the dead roastie

nothing really matters after the star ocean 3 like twist

call you a coward for choosing maelle's ending

called you an escapist loser if you picked Maelle ending

Those were the voices in your head. The game said nothing of the sort.

kek

I as most average intelligence people, can read contextual cues
The color shift to black and white, Verso being furious and in existential anguish and Maelle literally melting is not enough for you to get it...
I am sorry, you may be intellectually disabled

They speak to Renoir though.

Maelle literally melting

She's isn't melting. That's how painters look while in the canvas. Renoir, Aline and even Clea had the same thing.

It spent time building them up to show why Alina and later Maelle had such a difficult time letting go of the Canvas. These are living, breathing people and the Painters are their gods. To live with them forever is an understandable temptation and we see how corrupting it can be. If the game didn't humanize the painted characters the family conflict portion of the story wouldn't have worked

Lune is dei trash

pathological liar feels bad that he didn't get what he wanted

ok

I don't agree with Maelle, but betraying Lune and Sciel for a second time after already killing them once, then promising to help them bring everything back is way too much treacherous scumbag behaviour to ask from me. At that point it's basically choose between the Dessendre family or the people of Lumiere, and I think the latter earned their future more than the other. Lune was completely right that painted Verso was being a retard and took it upon himself to enact the most destructive solution without even thinking about any other choice or asking his friends for help.

they're not real
they're all in a video game
the people in sub reality 2 are cooler than the people in sub reality 1, so i choose maelle's ending

you people are fucking faggots

*women, old women
shocking I know

no

There are no "people of lumiere" besides Sciel and Lune. Alicia has to recreate them from memory in which case they will not be the same people (evidenced by gestral rebirth and Alines simulacrum family)

Escapism isn't bad

She's paint. You getting attached to her is no different than getting attached to a chatbot. Nothing is stopping Maelle from just drawing another canvas and bringing everyone back.

That's how painters look while in the canvas. Renoir, Aline and even Clea had the same thing.

No.
They look like have paint around their eyes IN THE REAL WORLD while they're in the canvas. (which btw is not how it looks in pic related)
You need to play the game again.

Lune and Sciel still deserve it after 32 years of struggle and effort. But also it's about the tens of thousands, possibly millions of expeditioners who sacrificed everything, for those who come after, right?

which btw is not how it looks in pic related

It is. You just think it is different because it is in black and white.

it can be self-destructive is the issue, but at the same time i have zero reason to care what other people do unless it affects me
if only neets had the courtesy to self-contain in a painting

Ok you're either a retard or rage baiting, my bad.
Have a good day.

I really hope there's some "golden" DLC ending that involves therapy for the entire family so they can move forward together without annihilating the painted world.

They aren't chatbot

No I dont think you understand there is no after, the world of the canvas starts in an inherently degenerative state and by the time anyone who can do anything about it learns the truth the world is too far gone to repair

Like I said, she's paint. She doesn't have a soul.
She's no different from an AI.

if they do, i hope it's gated behind something like winning the renoir fight as gustave

You don't have a soul

Anon, Alicia has burns all over face in the real world.

Where did you hear that? Verso's canvas was a place of beautiful stories and creatures, where he wanted people to build nice things and enjoy fresh beginnings. It got messed up because Aline and Renoir fought each other in it and then Clea started putting freakshow killer monsters everywhere.

That's irrelevant to what's being discussed.

No shit, Sherlock.
We're talking about the game here where souls are a real thing that the real people outside the canvas have.

create a disney ending

no pls

When the paintress is killed the world you know (Aline's work) is erased. Alicia herself says she is not skilled enough to repaint someone elses work.

she's paint. She doesn't have a soul.

You're atoms, you don't have a soul.

I wish there was an option for Maelle to stay in the canvas while unpainting Verso, maybe locked behind maxing out their relation. It's really fucked up Maelle had no problem erasing painted Alicia "because that's what she wanted" while Verso gets sentenced to at least several more decades of existence he hates despite begging Maelle to erase him

Had to do it, it was the right thing to do.

They're real as real peopel outside the canvas

Oh, so you are actually thinking this is how their painter powers look in the canvas and not that this is a shot of the real world. Then I agree that you need to play the game again.

They're just as real as the brothers we have at sharty

The disney ending is not possible by default, nothing can bring Verso back. Hoverer, they can resolve the situation in a far less destructive fashion.

what do you mean

I hate the camp dialogue so much it's unreal

You're not real

Why? The camp dialogue is incredible

It fits Maelle, she wants what is "best" for people regardless of what they think. She loves Verso and believes he deserves to live. She knows Alicia better than anyone else (obviously) and agrees that she doesn't belong in that world. Both Maelle and Verso are deeply flawed people who have no issue imposing their beliefs on others. If only Gustave was there, he could have stopped it.

That would go against her character.

the painted people are real

But with real Verso gone so is the soul of the canvas. Having to choose is what adds the weight to it all and makes you reflect, win-win feels too easy.

no u

Shes fading in the painting much like the Paintress, because she's losing sense of herself, you absolute fucking retard.

voices in your head

?

Yeah the fact that both endings are tragic has led to good discussion about the game themes and character dynamics from passionate people on both sides that we wouldnt have if there was a "good" ending

?

white men exist to serve asian women

She knows Alicia better than anyone else (obviously) and agrees that she doesn't belong in that world.

Are you being sarcastic here? That's Maelle projecting her own feelings onto a person she barely knows or understands.

lets go swimming to overcome your fear :^)

okay, but i must tell you im scared of swimming because i tried to soduku by swimming out as far as i could after my husband died

who, btw, is gonna replace your old ass as soon as we finish this game cause now my buddy can revive people

oh yeah so i didnt die, i woke up on the shore, pretty sure esquie saved me

also my unborn baby died when i tried to kill myself

haha that sucks.

yeah. wanna fuck one last time before i ditch you for my dead husband?

hell yeah

SWIMSUIT UNLOCKED!

So is Verso's soul the thing holding the canvas together? If so it's kind of fucked to lock a part of your brother away as a slave to keep the fantasy going.

Verso's is literally the Disney ending. Don't think about the countless sentient beings you just killed. As soon as you destroy the source of some self-destructive addiction, the addiction is instantly and totally cured and everyone you hurt will immediately get along with you again. Aline's grief? The journey of Aline working through her grief? Nah we don't need to see that, it just totally happened off-screen.

It's basically a complete non sequitur compared to everything going on around the characters. It's jarring and breaks the immersion.

Lmao dont tell me you made verso have sex with sciel and are now complaining about it

No they exist to serve me

Shes fading in the painting much like the Paintress

I agree.

you absolute fucking retard

Read the reply chain.

It must have been quite weird for Lune and Sciel in the new Lumiere after Maelle heals the world and brings everything back. They would be the only two people who know of the world's past and its origin, and the only people who are aware of the canvas (aside from Verso). Seeing everything they love restored but at the same time not fitting in since they are from an older world.

Yoiu don't understand. These people are real and the women need a place to cope.

Yes and he also doesn't really like it

more than that, it openly works against the narrative of the game. It leads to moments where you have to characterize some of them as hypocrites.

Yeah its disconnected but it tells us more about who the characters are and why they act the way they do

She was quoting Sophie when saying that, Sciel wanted the kid she didn't know was stillborn due her suicidal swimming.

Did Maelle do a "Fetus Insertus" on Sciel?

Lune and Sciel are written extremely weirdly. After Lune finds out her entire world is an artifice, she's just like "woah cool, its going to be neat when Maelle shows me another world within this world"

"We're all hypocrites doing the same thing to each other." t. Renoir in the end of the story

Characters are allowed to be hypocrites.

Maelle at that point is literally Alicia from the outside world but with the lived memories of Maelle from Lumiere. She knows what painted Alicia means when she asks for death, that painted projection of her is a miserable sad person who doesn't belong in that world, and that's what Maelle knows more than anything.

I support that goal, but I don't care for the way it is executed.

Maelle gave her a massive dong and the ability to transform into Verso so that she can cope.

I'd say that fits for Maelle. She's projecting herself onto her painted version, and being incredibly selfish in doing so. It's kind of her thing throughout Act 3.

Only 32

Only

I think that's intentional, every single member of the family is a flawed individual and their individual ways of coping with Verso's death hurt the rest of them

Verso's soul (represented by the fading child) wasn't put there by his family. It's a representation of the owner of the canvas literally pouring his soul into it. Which is why he loves the paintings and all the things living in the canvas, but is sad by his parents and his sister tearing it all apart.

This is a dialogue option that only appear if you made them fuck beforehand, you're complaining about your own actions.

Maelle is a hypocrite asshole

Verso is a hypocrite asshole

Aline is a hypocrite asshole

Renoir is a hypocrite asshole

Clea is an asshole

the good ending is where all of these people are happy

sentient beings who have only ever been good like Sciel, Lune, and Esquie are dead in this ending

Its not the good ending, there is no good ending, its the better of the two endings

Painted Verso was a hypocrite selfish treacherous backstabbing liar, real Verso did nothing wrong

real verso is worse. he's a musician

There is no good ending. The developers stated this outright themselves. All the debate you see is headcanon and extrapolation.

bubuhbut my morals

Doesn't matter. What the maker of the maker and writer of the story intended is what matters.
Their intention was; no good ending, both morally dubious endings.
Hence it's even the title of the game.

better of the two endings

happiness of one evil family + murder of countless sentient beings

What are some games with impossible decisions?

And in the other ending everone in the painting is Alicia's thrall performing for her, very cool

Not how it works by the rules of the universe itself. Why do you feel the need of making things up? There are countless other bad things about that ending, you don't need to make up shit

Maelle's ending is like the Phantom Liberty ending where the devs clearly intended for it to be some morally ambigious grey ending but they set up so much stuff beforehand that would only make sense for it to be a good ending that they just randomly throw in bullshit like "uhhh yeah Maelle is now forcing Verso to live out this pained existence... for some reason, also she is now a dictator who is making everyone forcibly happy, also she has painter eye shit, yeah"

Note that Maelle never abuses her painter powers or forces it on anyone else literally until the ending cinematic. We know she has access to it because she brings back Lune and Sciel.

no verso still choses to perform of his own free will!

sentient beings

How are they sentient?

The game explicitly states that the people in the canvas have souls

From what the game tells us, by creating a canvas-world the painter leaves a small part of their soul in it
This is why Aline and Alicia are so attached to this one in particular - it's the only one that Real Verso ever made so it's the only one that has his soul in it
If Verso had made a few paintings the entire plot would never have happened

refer to

It just hit me
Maelle died as soon as Alicia took over.

Genuinely loved her as a character. As gay as it sounds she's actually a rare good asian representation from end to end, but unlike most who fill that role she's so sincere the theme that accompanied every one of her relationship dialogues is my absolute favorite in the game. Every interaction you have with her alone while she talks about her thoughts and life are wonderful. Watching her open up about her trauma and changing from an autistic ice queen to a woman who realizes her life is in her own hands and not her parents just resonated so well with me. For a self insert character she just felt so well written

That is far more likely than Alicia developing skills that don't exist in the game exclusively in the ending.
If she did, she would be the most powerful painter in existence. Is she that, then?

I think you skipped act 3 on accident friend

The game explicitly states that the people in the canvas have souls

No it doesn't. The only souls there are the painters and dead Verso.

besides Lune and Sciel

The Lune and Sciel in Act 3 aren't the same characters either. The game is basically Black Mirror but painted people instead of digital consciousness.

To be fair Maelle's issue isn't that she is painting the wrong things, she only brings people back who had their lives cut short and deserved their future to be given back to them for a new beginning. That's what real Verso wanted his canvas to be used for all along. The only exception is Verso who wasn't dead, but she refuses to kill. Her problem is that she is too attached to that world and was fine with living in it even if it killed her.

Are you genuinely retarded?

go ahead, tell me what happens in act 3 that would lead you to think Maelle would be a dictator forcing everyone to be happy and forcing Verso to live out an existence he doesn't want

I'll wait for any dialogue you see in the game that supports your stance.

buh buh well I mean it sorta implies that maelle might be lying to the player about what she actually thinks...

That is
literally
not true

My god how does Anon Babble consistently misunderstand the simplest things

That's retarded as the game shows you frame by frame that Alicia grabs the chroma that they are composed of and uses it to remake them. This is not dubious or implied otherwise in any way.
Again, why make shit up?

Thats why ive been referring to her as Alicia ITT and not Maelle

What are you talking about? She had to recreate the world from memory, is it not out of the question that she would excert subtle influence over her creations just as Aline did?

That's because most of the Chroma they used to paint was controlled by Renoir, when he's out Maelle is the only Painter left and she can do whatever she wants with the world and you can why she would abuse it considering how much pain she went through and how tired she was of people telling her what to do
You can see how this might lead to bad outcomes

The writing of the game is so bad that the only way anyone accepts either ending is if they delude themselves into thinking that the canvas characters are not sentient using some extremely specific definition of what a soul is. Nevermind that they have individual experiences, memories, and interactions beyond control of the painters. That doesn't matter.

A big point of the game is that the family are all hypocrites (even painted Verso) and that they're usually trying to do what they think is right, while Aline and Alicia/Maelle know that what they're doing is bad for everyone but it feels better to do it anyway
if Aline and Alicia didn't obsess over the canvas so badly, Renoir wouldn't feel the need to destroy it at first opportunity - but also because Renoir wants to destroy the canvas, Aline and Alicia want to remain inside it since Renoir isn't going to (physically) destroy it while they're inside, leading to a catch-22 scenario

Lune and Sciel are the exact same people, Maelle just undid their gommage and put their chroma back together. They literally are shocked when being brought back because they remember the last thing they saw was their death, because they are the same people. It wouldn't be like that for Gustave or the others because Maelle would make them anew from other chroma.

Lune is pragmatic, the world being a creation doesn't change the fact that the accomplishments of the people of Lumière and their lives were their own, the fact they she can now put a face on those creators doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things and knowing there's another world out there expands your horizon to near infinity.
If anything, the painters being impressed of the accomplishments of the people of Lumière who managed to tighten the power gap like with the Lumina converter should've been a plot point, given how Verso already survived for long enough at the threshold between worlds I wouldn't be surprised if their technological advances end up allowing them to actually project themselves outside the painting by consuming chroma.

But to go back on the "fake world" part, if you follow any faith, you're already admitting that you're living in someone/something else's creation, does it make your life have less meaning?

See the gestral rebirth process
See the painted family

They are simulacrums, not 1:1 recreations

Dead Verso's soul explicitly says that the people in the canvas world also have souls, it comes up several times across the game

Nah, the only way anyone can accept either ending is by believing in the delusions that the painted are sentient and soulful beings just being toyed by the painters.

No, the game very excplicitly tells you it's a matter of skill, not chroma amount, and the only one to ever know how to vaguely repaint something to some degree of success is Clea.
Thinking Alicia randomly springs out the magic to brainwash and tinker with the chroma of an entire city is rather ridiculous, specially when she obviously does not want to.

Those rules were under the old regime. We can't know for sure if Alicia changed things around or not, but it seems as though the resurrected citizens are her play things.

This reads like a massive Maellefag cope why its okay to kill people who are sick from grief. No, real world Alicia does not understand painted Alicia better than anyone, especially not better than her own brother does. Painted Alicia has lived a long life with her family inside the canvas, has seen the fracturing of their world, the disappearance of her sister, the death of her father and ultimately the removal of her mother and death of every single person by the hands of her brother. She's not sad because she feels like she doesn't belong, she's sad because her world got destroyed. Maelle is just an angsty teenager projecting her own insecurities onto Alicia as an excuse to justify her own selfish wishes.

Where's your proof, sir? Verso only says that to him his creations are real, just like any creator who loves his work would say.

It is not the same. When gestrals die, they are reborn from the water of the sacred river giving life to their body again. So it's basically a different soul with the same body and maybe a few of the same memories. Lune and Sciel are literally the exact same chroma put back together, you missed the part where Maelle says she has them when pulling their gommage flowers to her hand.

lune is for protecting. protect lune at all costs

Gustave was able to create technology (the lumina converter) that within weeks makes them strong enough to actually harm the painters
The painters had no idea about this technology or how it could have possibly been created

The equivalent of this in the real world would be someone figuring out a way to fight God (or some other supernatural creator deity) and make it a fair fight

again, the entirety of act 3 only works if you sorta headcanon the rules of the world so that it's actually sensical instead of a bunch of random bullshit

By the way was it ever specified why Painted Alicia is disfigured and mute just like real Alicia? Did Alina blame her daughter for Verso's death and did it as punishment, kinda how she made Painted Renoir remember real Verso?

It is specified in Aline's journal in the mansion greenhouse, she blames Alicia for killing Verso so she painted her as disfigured

Doesn't he say that he considers them to have souls? Hardly concrete evidence.

but after you leave the painting and renoir destroys it, everything is ok again :)

Life keeps forcing cruel choices

Strawman, nobody said this but you

Yeah, it's not directly said to be true. Just that he considers it to be.

Yes, Alina a shit

You don't have a soul

cucks Gustave the second he dies with a new guy (who purposefully let him die)

This game is painful. I am disappointed.

STOP QUOTING PAPA!

Verso joined the ranks of legends

for me

no mention of souls

I guess it's a philosophical thing then. If you get ripped apart into individual atoms and put back together would it still be you?
A clone of you would have the exact same memories up until the point of their creation. Just like Black Mirror. The digital consciousness thinks it's the real one. Or in Anon Babble terms the MC from SOMA.

If we kill the mom then it solves literally every issue btw

makes them strong enough to actually harm the painters

Are you ignoring the Deus Ex Manor helping them along the way?

To be fair, the only painters the party fights are a half-crazy/dead Aline and the weakest painter in the family being Renoir, who the party needs Aline to help against. This is with their own paintress, Maelle, helping out.
If it wasn't for Maelle, Renoir would just grommage all of them, or win via attrition due to infinite regeneration (Maelle needs to kick him out). Also taking into account Renoir was stuck there for 67 years at this point as well, which probably isn't that healthy.

yeah, the ending says it

Verso couldn't even show up a couple seconds earlier so at least Gustave would see that Maelle was saved

He died thinking that Maelle probably died shortly after him

fuck this dude so much

Uh the canvas people aren't sentient because the game doesn't explicitly say they are sentient. The painters? They're sentient because uh........

If your media literacy is this bad its no wonder you think maelle has the "good" ending

Literally define "real" holy fuck, it's a nonsense term when the (((fake))) world is indistinguishable internally

I think she's turning in one of those faceless ghost things in this picture

Sure, but Lune and Sciel being able to hurt Aline or Renoir (especially Aline, since they hadn't been potentially altered by Alicia at that point) is utterly insane in terms of a power increase

It'd be like if some random kid in The Matrix sprayed Neo with a water pistol and it somehow left a gargantuan bruise

Sciel is quoting Sophie
Gustav wanted kids and Sophie didn't, that's why they broke up.

no, its just data and should be made as such

Real is what I say it is and I say that the painting world is fake and gay :^)

The canvas people are sentient because I said so

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

I... lost.....?

>Verso couldn't even show up a couple seconds earlier so at least Gustave would see that Maelle was saved

>He died thinking that Maelle probably died shortly after him

verso gets exactly what he wants but isnt willing to grant gustave that one courtesy. it's borderline cruelty. hope that fag enjoys playing the piano

Gustave should have stayed as protagonist. Verso is a good character by himself, but he's not good protagonist stuff. The "debate" world have worked a lot better if a native painting person was there to offer his view-point to Maelle.

Actually that explain why Aline and Renoir looked like that, it's because they spend too much in the canvas

It has to be possible for beings in the canvas to fight and harm the painters, otherwise Verso's ending is fundamentally impossible. Maelle could just remove his arms or something and make him submit but he can fight her.

The degree, the level to which Alicia is defined by the trauma she had outright robs her character of agency. I literally cannot see her as responsible for anything. And i hate that.
Maelle had so much more going on, she effectively died however at the ene of act2, she fucking goomaged. Turned from my favorite character to a non-character

The entirety of act 3 is about non-characters. Why do I give a fuck about Aline? Alicia? Renoir? They barely have characters. I know literally nothing about Aline personality wise. I sincerely don't give a fuck about an ending centered around them.

b-but there is still a bit of maelle in alicia, she says she combined her memories

ok so half a character

Had parents

Dead in exped

Had brother

Dead in exped

Surrounded by orphans whose parents died or got gommage'd

And you're surprised

Better luck next time

This is a silly breakdown. The whole point of the Verso ending is Maelle learning to believe in herself as a painter and not cling to a canvas as an escape. We also saw directly the life plan experience Maelle had before she incarnated, indicating that is likely how it goes for the rest of the painted. They're all souls here for a purpose of gaining perspective and life experience, and it's Maelle's role to shape each painting like a goddess, creating a world for those souls to play and love in. The reason Verso needed to be decisive and not even give her a chance to say goodbye is because he knew she would stay there until she died the moment she had control over the chroma. Countless painted worlds would go unshaped as a direct result, and her role as a creator goddess would go unfulfilled as she clings to the lives of her Expedition and Lumiere; never truly applying the lessons and connections she found and shaped alongside them. This is why Verso emphasizes how bright her future is as a Paintress, and that she shouldn't give up on herself as she did in her own ending.

happiness of one evil family

No one with Clea's 1000 yard SSRI stare will ever be happy. She's probably mass murdering writers just to feel something.

Should've been a story mission to regather Gustave's chroma and bring him back
I want a Maelle+Verso+Gustave party

It could've been Lune. She's the only character who wants to save Lumiere no strings attached. She comes from a family of expeditioners and will never accept Verso's decision (you can even see that during his ending) so it's strange she doesn't get to call Verso out one final time and just stares at him angrily

The devs made a mistake with this. I guess they wanted that Aeris death feeling. The game was made less for it IMO

Verso basically admits that Gustave was way too good of a person. If he was somehow alive by the end, it would mean Verso couldn't get to destroy the canvas and Gustave would have probably steered Maelle to a better direction than throwing away her life outside the painting. A golden chad who was too perfect to live.

Simon

what the FUCK is his problem?

It's this. The expedition will live on in her heart in the Verso ending and will influence all the worlds she makes afterwards. For those that come after being the worlds she makes.

That's why we need Gustave, to offer Maelle what we think.

It's not insane if you consider that they are using the god's own power (i.e. the Paintress' Chroma) harvested by Nevrons (thanks second god) from their fallen comrades (only decades of sacrifices required) while getting help from yet another god, which is only possible because the first god is currently in a stalemate with the third god.

Simon was Aline's ideal husband for Clea, when the real Clea saw this she got so angry that she personally ruined painted Clea, Simon, and the Clea Axon

Zanzibart didn't forgive him

I think it's fine. What does she even say at that point? They're all about to die or are actively dying. It's over. There's nothing to do but make it clear she hates his guts

barely prolong the innevitable destruction of the canvas

prolong the suffering of painted Verso

possibly kill Alicia (which OG Verso gave his life to safe) and Aline

I mean yeah...

He was the JRPG protagonist who needed to die to initiate FRPG misery.

Try telling that to all the expeditioners who sacrificed everything for their children and for the people who had their futures stolen lol

How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

so it's strange she doesn't get to call Verso out one final time and just stares at him angrily

Because she realizes it doesn't matter, the Canvas is doomed in any outcome anyway.

Maelle is the worst painter of the family, can't paint over creations like her sister and Verso is a real special boy made by her much more experienced mother while being being roided on Chroma. Not achievable natty.

Life is simply unfair, anon

Gustave fighting Real Renoir

Use Overcharge

FOR ME!_____________

At the end the only one from player characters who felt like he had agency is Verso
Lune and Sciel as characters might as well not exist, they don’t affect the story in any real way.
Maelle basically dies and gets replaced by a walking advertisement for therapy

I don’t know how others feel, but main characters are the weakest part of the entire game. Gustave was cool in act1, Maelle was cool but we saw how that turned out, and Verso at the end is cool.
Honestly Renoir felt more like a character than anyone in in the main party throughout the game, he consistently defined every scene he was in, his presence overshadowed everyone else’s, but like entire game being about his family drama, i mean that’s a choice i guess.

Be renoir

See that your daughter is lying to you about leaving the painting soon

she dies inside

he's burning the canvas frame 1 after her death

The fact that Verso has his own motivations is what makes the ending choice so good. Gustave was great but Verso is a far more interesting character to be one of the perspectives at the end of the game

Where did you get that from lol. She has no words for the unbelievable betrayal she has just been hit with and all she can do is stand in silent rage and defiance. There's no more to it than that, Lune never gave up on her people.

He was one side, Maelle was another, we needed our own side. It's a RPG after all

Gustave was Maelle's ultimate attachment to the canvas and I couldn't see him making an argument for the canvas to be destroyed. He'd probably side with Maelle to defeat Verso, but we all know how that ends.

Wouldn't be surprised he'll try to force her out eventually instead of letting another one of his children die

Verso also kinda let the rest of the expedition 33 team die. He knew Renoir was going to hit them as soon as they landed and he only came in to rescue Maelle leaving the rest of them to die

wtf i love dei now

I could easily see him choosing destroy if he understood what was happening to Maelle/Alicia. It would be our choice and both would feel right for him.

Of course Gustave would never let the canvas be destroyed, the man is "For those who come after" personified. But if he had been there for Maelle, as her most beloved person, he could have led her to a better outcome than giving up on her life outside the painting to spend the rest of her days in Lumiere. That's the reason the two endings are tragic, it's two flawed people with too much pain and misery in their lives to consider a better way.

Did painted Renoir know the curator was the real Renoir?

Gustave motivation is Legacy. The canvas will die one way or another with no ounce of legacy speak of except the addition of Alicia’s corpse. Alicia being forced out to confront her grief and grow as a painter so she can creat more worlds is the only path towards legacy. She will be the legacy of the canvas

For those who came after guy would prioritize Maelle over this painted world, just like Verso did, Gustave has no place in ending, all he would do is already done by Verso

Yes

He'd probably side with Maelle to defeat Verso, but we all know how that ends

Implying he wouldn't convince her to leave once he understood the toll it would take on her in real life if she stayed

Frogs needed their "Obscur" ending but it makes zero sense once you put any thought in to it.

staying in the painting for long periods is dangerous, it doesn't matter if she doesn't use her powers. Even though she obviously did use painter powers by making a copy of Verso and bringing Gustave back

Your all fucking everything in the game is a red herring.
It's all in Alicia's head.

this gave me a jumpscare

Nah, he would've given us the "neutral" ending where the canvas is spared and Alicia is convinced to leave if he found out everything we knew by the end. We couldn't have that because there would be a clear cut good ending and no one would be talking about who was right.

Retard.

Did you miss the scene where Renoir approaches the painted Renoir, and then the painted one seethes at him, saying "I loved them too!!!" before Alicia first realises she can also cause gommages

I hate these endings

These threads feel like the portal A and B threads. It's like talking to bots.

Also living as a god anong your childhood friends is fucked as hell

Exactly. We could have had power of friendship perfection but instead got CBT misery as is the way with most western writing.

I have so many question about this post and this image and what you meant by any of it

Basically the entire main party barely matters. Lune and Sciel have literally no say in what happens in the ending.

Of course Gustave would never let the canvas be destroyed, the man is "For those who come after" personified.

It's precisely because Gustave is "For those who come after" that he'd side with Verso.
Because knowing the truth, the only lasting legacy he and any Lumièrian can hope for is in Alicia's memory and future works in reality, something that will not come to pass by siding with Maelle.

Clea needs correction

You're kidding but it honestly dragged down the game for me.

That is a very, very liberal interpretation of the words "For those who come after", to say the least.

and lune lives rent free in my head

Considering all of you gave a different answer of what you think Gustave would do, means I don't think anyone knows what he would do other than so mythical golden ending. Would he let the real Verso soul slave away painting forever? Guess it would come down to if Gustave accepted that he wasn't real or not.

what outfit is that

If you got your perfect fairytale ending you wouldnt be here discussing and analyzing the themes of the game right now

If he was given all the facts he'd ultimately want Maelle to leave instead of dying. Maelle staying doesn't protect the canvas either. It's purely a selfish ending for herself to live a life she wants before she dies in a week or two in the real world and then the painting would be erased

I'm not. I actually would have preferred more JRPG tropes.

You underestimate my addiction to this shit place

Sigh, listen man you need to stop pretending that Alicia is the only issue, the mom would come back to the painting, was Gustave going to convince her to move on as well??

Believe in herself as a painter

Stopped reading there. Alicia does not want to be a painter, that is once again ignoring her wishes and shoving her down a path that is convenient to Verso in her expense.
Both endings are bad.
Devs stated so themselves.

This is a moot paint when in Verso's ending, he literally says Alicia can paint as many worlds as she wants. Any other canvas is just as equally addicting.

If Alicia leaves, Renoir gommages everyone.

Any other canvas is just as equally addicting.

I'd argue no. A big reason she was so completely and utterly attached to this one was that a version of Verso was alive in this along with all of her friends. Without them it's nowhere near as tempting and any clones she makes won't be the same so there's way less chance of her being lost in it.

No? It's an integral part of Gustave's character as shown in the intro.
Sophie broke up with him because he wanted kids, because he believed the paintress could be stopped. His sister didn't want him to join the expeditions because she considered them futile at this point.

Learning the nature of the Cnavas, and the certainty that Renoir or Clea would destroy the Canvas in any event would crush that core part of his worldview, and the only thing left would be saving Maelle/Alicia, who if she returns to reality is also the only form of lasting legacy he can leave.

Gustave is the unbreakable human spirit, and it was a good thing that he died because these sad frogs don't deserve to have a perfect ending delivered to them by a JRPG protagonist gigachad who would punch god in the face with a funny lightning arm.

Versofags can only think in false dichotomies. It's extremely poetic.

and any clones she makes won't be the same so there's way less chance of her being lost in it.

you mean like the clones she makes of Lune and Sciel right after they die? They're already not the same.

Renoir was the one who wanted to delete everything, Alicia just wanted to play house with her fake family.

They're the same beings

Any other canvas is just as equally addicting.

Come on you already know this isn't the case. Aline and Renoir traversed hundreds of canvases with no real issue. Aline even had rules and techniques in place in case the warning signs of the addiction started which Renoir picks up on from Alicia the second she starts saying "I'll just stay for a while longer haha"
This is the one canvas that caused Aline to become completely obsessed because of it's ties to Verso.

varso somehow spawned inside the ticket booth at the carousel. i saw someone moving around in their and jumped.
"au naturel" or something, some french shit

Quick shush or you will call in the maellefags headcannoning chroma as "soul essence"

What is this retarded take and this obsession with legacy?
Gustave cares about fixing the world and a happy ending for everyone, not throwing whoever he can under the bus. There is no doomed world just because you ASSUME they would not find a solution. That is exactly what he DOESN'T do, assume the worst and just give up.
He'd gather everyone and try to find ways around the limitations of their world so Alicia can leave and the soul is freed. Like a device that ports them to a new painting.
Obviously.

She made those quickly and in a panic. The point is it's way different when she has to make every single person by hand one by one.

It's pretty clear that the devs just did not at all realize that they created an existential problem when they decided to go with the act 2/3 twist. It's barely mentioned at all. There is not a moment to ponder "hey wait a minute, am I killing thousands of sentient people"

Whether or not they are actually sentient, it's a bit weird that no one discusses it at length.

How does your post anyhow connect to mine?

Please stop answering to yourself, it's embarrassing for everyone

That is exactly what he DOESN'T do, assume the worst and just give up.

Gustave is the unbreakable human spirit

Idk, gangster. He seemed pretty broken to me when he was about to shoot himself in the head but I digress.

Doubtful, it seems like chroma is basically the soul and remaking someone from the same chrome is preserving the same person.

It's mentioned multiple times they can feel Gustave's chroma after he dies (since he wasn't killed by a nevron and his chroma isn't trapped in his body). Also if they were just copies I'm sure Renoir would have used that as an argument to try to get Maelle to abandon them.

It also defeats the point of it actually being a difficult choice with no good answer. Same with the "they aren't real people" argument. Obviously they are real people, and the same people, simply because that makes the choice that much harder from a narrative standpoint.

Why are you talking to yourself?

Because it's told through the lens of Alicia and Verso, both of whom are self interested and suicidal.

Yea the ending would be so much more interesting if they established the painters lore. Maybe rule #1 is never paint humans to prevent situations exactly like this one. I'm sure they'll figure it out when they make their next game.

Not a big JRPG/RPG guy, but this game was good. What other games scratch the itch as far as storytelling/companions/etc. go?

chroma is a metaphor for paint

I think Renoir and Verso just don't care.

give up that’s isn’t what he does!

Was going to blow his brains out if not for lune

Went fuck the mission and was ready to ditch over Maelle.

DIED to protect Maelle instead of running cause he valued her more than the mission.

what is the obsession with trying to potray Gustave as this perfect character who would fix everything. You are devaluing his character.

What does it matter if she comes back to the painting?

Why didn't Lune just honor his wish to die?

At the VERY least, he would convince or force Maelle to leave the Canvas though.
Given the sheer impossibility of the task you're envisioning.

And that doesn't take into account what his thoughts would be on the nature of the Canvas, being sustained by the slavering remnants of a child's soul.

Thinking about it now, the reality is Maelle and Verso were both wrong. Maelle wanted to cling to her/her family's creations from a perspective that she is incomplete and has no place outside of the canvas in her burnt body. Verso wanted to off himself because he knew he was loved for the dead person he represented, and not who he actually was, and selfishly only cared about being free at everyone's expense. The balanced choice would be to mend the world with the chroma, healing the world of her parent's negative influence, and then promptly leave once everyone's futures have been returned to them, a FFX type ending except Maelle can visit every once in a while. Maelle could also console Verso by bringing back his dead friends, and convince him not to off himself. This is what the "true" ending of Expedition 33 would be if we had one.

It's worth noting that Verso was raised as a painter with their morals and probably doesn't consider painted creations as 'real' as his family (this includes himself and probably partly why he's so suicidal)

You expect me to read all that?

Verso wanted to off himself because he knew he was loved for the dead person he represented, and not who he actually was, and selfishly only cared about being free at everyone's expense.

Despair is a part of Verso's motivations, yes. But not the main one. That will always be protecting Aline and Alicia, it's just essential to his nature, it's how he was created by Aline.
He was ready to side with Maelle until he was confronted with the vision of Aline, and Alicia lying to Renoir's face.

They were just talking about being able to feel Gustave's paint after he died when they didn't know they were painted. And Maelle says "I can see them" as she grabs Lune and Sciel's chroma, which she then uses to bring them back.

You didn't pay any attention to the Fading Boy dialogues if you've come to that conclusion. Very wrong, anon.

Are there any other RPGs or JRPGs with a similar tone or that explore themes of grief or tragedy in a hopeless world?

There's nothing to discuss that isn't already. Verso and Maelle both represent viewpoints that include the issue of the entire world being destroyed and the consequences for both.
Ultimately the choices provided are both shit as well because the family has shown themselves as incapable of behaving rationally.
If things were better, they could just drag Aline and Alicia out, Alicia could visit every so often, and it could continue like before, there'd need to be some form of gommage to stop chroma from running out since the people were additions by Aline and Verso's canvas was never supposed to support infinitely reproducing species.
But this isn't a good scenario. The choices are for Maelle to rot until her real body dies, and then the canvas is erased to stop the family from fucking with it further and killing themselves too, or erasing it and saving Maelle so she can live on as Alicia.

We also pretend like we can feel our dead relatives, humans just do that. She sees the memory of lune and sciel

Mini-verso considered them real.

by the habitual liar that she's been calling out since the very beginning

You forgot the "who she banged" part. That's important.

Headcanon vs what the characters literally say is happening. Cope as much as you want I guess.

but verso also wanted to let kid's verso soul to rest? And he wanted to save his mom (and also his sister)
maelle is as sick as her mom, you believe them to act based on rational thoughts, but the fact is they can't. Renoir was right about Aline, and is right about Maelle.
If everyone was rational from the beginning, Aline wouldn't have stayed in the canvas and left on her own. Maybe she wouldn't even have entered the canvas to make a make believe family. But she did.
The addiction is just too big for them, especially Maelle since she isekai'd in the world as an inhabitant. She doesn't believe at all she has a life possible outside of it, that's why a rough push is needed (either renoir, or verso)

Enderall maybe

Literally who

At no point in the game do they say chroma is "soul essence"

You need to learn to read between the lines

Great so you agree that you are making this up

your beliefs when you're 8 are the exact same as an adult

Just look at Clea

For Escapism aepos, FF Tactics Advance and Persona 5 Royal.
For the themes of legacy/value of life/grief, FF IX and FFXIV.
Doomed world, Yoko Taro works like NiER and Drakengard.

Remember this is the same asshole that let Gustave die and admits it. Gustave basically being the closest thing to a kindred soul to him, but oh no he had Alicia's affection

I said it appears to basically be a soul, because it evidently functions in a way that people can be brought back the same using their chroma. There are multiple things that point to this.

Nier, both Replicant and Automata

There are also multiple things that point to the opposite of this

Painted Alicia's letter then. She specifically mentions Renoir and Clea to hold the viewpoint of the Painted not being real, not Verso.

There's no difference between the two.

this completely different character that never met the original didn't say anything so that means...they agree?

What

Name some then?

unbreakable human spirit

tries to kill himself

acts like an insecure faggot over and over again

gets broken by renoir

kek

"A new beginning" is moving on with her life and actually starting anew, not being anchored to the fake past she's built for herself at the cost of her life, her real family and her suffering brother

The Painted are all created with Aline's memories of them and have access to corresponding knowledge.

Verso's epilogue is called 'a life to love'

Maelle's epilogue is called 'a life to paint'

Verso is clearly in the right

I feel like the game focused way too much on the stupid family drama at the end and not enough on Lumiére. Unfortunately that's kind of what happens when you employ a female writer. Melodrama in excess.

Art is love, art is life

Lumiere is purged at the 2/3 mark buddy

they are the same though. idk why people compare them with the Gestrals. The Gestrals lose most if not all their memory when they are reborn. Sciel and Lune didn't. Gustave isn't the same because he actually died but Sciel and Lune are the same

Which ending is the movie going to take?

Missing the point

They are mostly the same because they are fresh in Alicia's memory

It matters because even of Gustave can convince Maelle to leave, he cannot convince Aline, which means the canvas still have to be destroyed. Therefore Gustave being alive or not does not change the how the ending works

I don't think there's any question that Verso is right. FFTA already answered this.

A clone doesn't realize its a clone because its been told in its creation that its the original person. These painted fantasy 'beings' are just telling you they have a soul because thats what they were told by the creator upon creation to be normal.

So is Clea fucking insane?

suggests Alicia goes into the canvas knowing full well she's not powerful enough to do shit

turns a sentient being into a tormented murder machine and locks him away instead of just killing/unpainted him

makes twisted fucked up creations for fun

constant blank BPD stare even at her brother's grave

We're going to find out that the fire was in retaliation to some shit she did, aren't we?

what would you have wanted more? Just curious, since I don't think there is more to talk about them that'd bring more to the plot.
At monolith year 33, their civilization is barely holding it together as you see in the prologue. The most interesting parts are in the past, with the glimpses you learn in the journals (the council of old men, the evolution of tools used...)

gets betrayed at the last second by the habitual liar that she's been calling out since the very beginning

I am pretty sure Lune is an autistic, kissless virgin and the only time she spreads her legs for some bad boy chad, she ends up getting fucked over by him in the end.
She deserved better.
I am writing a Gustave/Lune happily ever after fanfic and you can't stop me!

Yeah and by that point the goal of the main characters should've been to outright murder the Dessendres for their crimes.

Clea seems to be an evil bitch yes. What she did to Painted Clea and Simon was downright psychotic.

The people are not real. Aline and Alicia aren't addicted to painting itself, but rather that specific canvas due to Verso's remaining influence.

I think the family should've been villains and a big theme of the story being Maelle being torn between her biological and "fantasy" family, ultimately opting for her fantasy family as she destroys the twisted Dessendre family for good.

suggests Alicia goes into the canvas knowing full well she's not powerful enough to do shit

also keeping Alicia from doing something stupid outside

turns a sentient being into a tormented murder machine and locks him away instead of just killing/unpainted him

she was mad about what her mom painted of her, and she doesn't consider them real I guess

makes twisted fucked up creations for fun

it's family business bro, the dad made a horse made of corpses and aberrations

constant blank BPD stare even at her brother's grave

considering some times have passed since his death because of her mom's breakdown, I mean it's not that surprising

Maelle staying in the canvas will doom the canvas in the long run. If she stays her real body will get fucked. Renoir will go back in the painting and force her out, if he isn't able to beat her, her real body will die soon after and the painting gets destroyed either way.
The only way to keep the painted world alive was for Maelle to willingly leave after seeing Versos soul suffering. She promises him there will be no more fighting in the canvas, and the Soul will be happy to draw again. She then has to convince Renoir that she won't get obsessed with the canvas again. Alicia and Aline have to never sperg out inside the painting again
That is the only scenario were the painted world can survive

she's a twisted evil psycopath
she's perfect

she was mad about what her mom painted of her, and she doesn't consider them real I guess

If she doesn't consider them real, why go to such extreme extent to humiliate and punish them?

Shame Aline literally proved in the final fight that she can't be trusted

A robot can be programmed to tell you it has sentience. But does it merely because its told to?

The only way to keep the painted world alive was for Maelle to willingly leave after seeing Versos soul suffering.

Aline is a retard so Renoir gommages everyone the second Alicia is out.

Yep. It's why she acts so differently from actual Maelle in Act 3

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Real life Alicia is reborn as Maelle, a girl that lives 16 years without any Alicia memories. She's her own person. At the end of Act 2 the 'Maelle' part of her gets Gommaged like the others, which is why only then do the Alicia memories awaken. She says she'd like to keep calling herself Maelle, but in theory the Maelle from Acts 1 and 2 ceases existing and is not the same character. The new one is Alicia, with the memories of the Gommaged girl called Maelle inside of her head.

Nah Maelle started the fire. All of her skills are fire based. She's secretly a writer.

Yeah but I think the Kaiju fight between both of her paintsonas was completely worth almost dying and proving Renoir right.

So, it turns out this game's story is just a misery porn with no payoff in the vein of Enderal disguised as a FFXIII copy?

She is a complete bitch, paints fucked up things just to see what happens and only cares about her parents being gone from the Canvas because she wants them to help her with her revenge scheme. Other family members do bad things out of grief or desperation, Clea strikes me as the only one who enjoys being malicious, like being a total cunt to Alicia

Congratulations you understood the story

misery porn

One of the endings is melancolic but hopeful for the future. The other is pure misery porn though yes

makes them strong enough to actually harm the painters

No it doesn't

twisted Dessendre

That's an idea, but the family is not twisted, they are dealing with grief.
Also, creating a world, painting people, seems like a regular tuesday for painters.
Ultimately, if the people of lumiere WERE smart with the information, they'd just ask Maelle to GTFO and have some therapy, begging Renoir not to paint the canvas (even though her mom could sneak in).
Also, even if they beat him, it doesn't change anything as the painters don't die from that, they just get out. As soon as Maelle is dead, he can burn the canvas and bye bye lumière and people.

Your idea is interesting but it wouldn't work with the context. Changing the game to fit your ending would ultimately ask to rework several (and probably too many) parts of the scenario to try to make it coherent.

It's to get back at her mother.

You consider the end of FF7 misery porn? and I mean the original ending

Both ending lead to the same place.Painters will always lose to the writer chads.

The ending is the beginning of healing, not the final result.

Thanks for replying Guillame!

I just think it kind of sucks how powerless the people of Lumiére ended up being after all.

"hey wait a minute, am I killing thousands of sentient people"

Well you're not, Renoir already killed all of them. You're getting rid of the two people that Alicia repainted and the Gestrals.

Couldn't know. Only played FFVII for like 1h before dropping it. Not planning to play a game with NTR anyway tho

When did you realize Clea was the best girl?
For me it was when I finished the Endless Tower

The game needed to sell the concept of loss directly to the player. Real life Verso was lost by the characters in-universe, but Gustave was lost to us all

Then finish Renoir's drafts and you'll hate the bitch

The ending scene literally needs to say "And then Alicia became an evil tyrant" text box for dumbasses like this to understand

I don't think the plan has high odds of succeeding but it's the only way for the painted world to survive in the longrun.
Gustave and friends might live to old age and die naturally before Renoir returns but their children or grandchildren will get wiped out by Renoir. I doubt the "For those who come after" squad would want Maelle to stay in the painting and doom their descendants

i kneel

Verso had her gagging for BWC after a day

her introduction

ywn get to go on a psychotic writers killing spree with clea

Aline's ideal husband for Clea

Yeah definitely being from Lumière sucks.
Imagine if you discover your world is weird because it's painted by a 9 years old boy. No wonder the eiffel tower is bent.

But I do agree that they could have shown more despair about this situation, about the people doomed to die, so that the final choice would be more impactful.
In a way, I feel like it's intended: maelle is like "I" "me" "my" at the end, because she's mentally sick. It's more about HER world, HER life with HER brother, and the people are kind of an afterthought? (except close ones)

Except if painters can see them in chroma form and bring them back as the same people, and there's one willing to do that, they aren't really dead.

Maelle also waves goodbye along everyone else from the Canvas to Alicia in "A Life to Love" ending, why is that if Maelle was just Alicia?

Chroma is a metaphor for paint

It's kind of frustrating how Renoir says the painting must be destroyed cause Aline will find it again. They seem rich enough to live in a mansion. Surely he has the means to just hire someone to just whisk it away to some random spot on the other side of the Earth where she'll never find it?

He'll even if she had some sort of magic sense to find it just encase it in concrete and dump it into the ocean and she wouldn't have the tech to retrieve it

The eiffel tower is made by Aline. She made Lumiere, not Verso.

Yes I definitely felt Maelle was fighting more for herself than for the canvas. This is why I chose the ending that let her suffer.

torture a sapient being for half a century because uhmmm... fuck you mom!

Yeah, I'm thinking insane. If she was a modern woman, she'd be covered in tattoos and brain fucked on anti depressants.

no shit anon, if you found out that you were a God from another universe that can will things in or out of existence your personality would probably change too

Its irresponsible to not use helpful special powers you were born with, regardless of not wanting to do it. Imagine if you were born akin to Superman, but said "Nah I just wanna be a journalist and not actually my powers." That would make you a bad person.

Chroma is a metaphor for the paint of life, life essence used to create life.

who is more screwed by the art form they find themselves trapped in, Alan or Maelle

Get out of Anon Babble, Renoir. We already killed you like three times. Get the hint.

gets the first MC (Gustave) killed because he's a jealous petty cunt, offers some nonsense explanation about how Gustave wouldn't have allowed Maelle to kick the paintress out of the canvas...which was his entire raison d'etre

kills the other party members TWICE

kills his only true friends, Monoco and Esquie, knowing they were created to be loyal to him

never warns the other expeditions about not going after the paintress and that she's their benevolent goddess, not malefactor, is personally responsible for thousands of deaths

is the whole reason Alicia is addicted to Canvas crack to begin with and identifies as her paintsona Maelle, because he didn't just help her recover her memories (he was stalking her in Lumiere for her entire life)

Commendable of the devs to make a straight up villain their MC

I think stuff like the bent Eifel tower happened when Renoir entered the painting and caused the fracture

How the fuck is Alicia not insane from having two distinctive sets of memories? What if she likes a certain food in one memory, and hates it in the other?

You don't know what the fuck the painters can do in real life anon. There are floating paintings in their IRL manor, they are wizards.

headcannon

Oh so you just want to drown everyone in the canvas?

Imagine if you were born akin to Superman, but said "Nah I just wanna be a journalist and not actually my powers"

As opposed to what, gangster? Save the world from invading aliens? There aren't any. If I woke up with superpowers tomorrow the first and only thing I would do would be to wipe out Israel and India off of the face of the Earth.

ESL AND retarded

Shocking nobody.

How the fuck is Alicia not insane

I wish the game dived deeper into her conflicting personalities.

Is Maelle being miserable and not fitting in Lumiere at the start of the game her subconscious telling her to return to her world

I just took it as a painted representation of Paris, like Starry Night or something, giving a hint that this world is painted

Gustave should have stayed as protagonist

This. The best part of the story was seeing Gustave, Maelle, and party bonding through all the trauma of the journey together thus far, the mysteries of the world and shit happening felt entirely second to that in a good way, but as soon as they killed him I essentially lost all connection to the characters to force the focus on the rest of the plot and it became a lot less compelling playing as someone who suddenly knows everything but won't say anything. Not even as a self-insertfag the story was just better through Gustave's lense, and Verso being pushed on you immediately, literally next scene felt forced as fuck.

retard I meant I was going to shoot you with my headcannon

A good person would use it to help people. Destroy evil. Stop catastrophes when possible. Stop criminals, etc. Superman can do the work of Batman all the same.

I meant drooling blabbering mouth insane. Not woman insane.

How the fuck is Alicia not insane

She is

That's because her time as Maelle was the reason why she didn't want to leave the Canvas. She has to say goodbye to Maelle if she wants to move on because she preferred being Maelle in Verso's Canvas than actual Alicia. The first thing she says after regaining her memories is "I prefer Maelle" and "You are not Verso, you are you. But I am still Maelle". This shows she recognizes Real and Painted Versos as two distinct entities, but sees no difference between Alicia and Maelle and her actions going forward are informed by the shit she went through as Maelle

How is Verso not literally catatonic after-

Being split in half feeling the entire pain of it for a joke

Being shot through the chest and exploding in a cloud of gore then slowly piecing himself back together

Systematically killing other human beings that trusted him and saw him as a friend just because his dad told him

Being eaten alive by the floating snake in the sky and melting to death multiple times, only managing to get out partially digested the fifth time around

Bad storytelling.

Got a chuckle out of me there I'll give you.

yeah your theory makes sense too. We do learn that stuff like the floating islands are caused by the fracture so I just assumed a lot of the wacky looking stuff is fracture related. But your idea also makes sense

Why do you think Verso attempts suicide 3 times and finally succeeds the 4th time in his ending?

The first protagonist since adam jenson himself who has every right to say “I never asked for this”

Based. There can only be one.

Because he's immortal. After a point grevious bodily harm would just be a fairly mundane occurance. Also as you can see from being cut in half its not really very gory if he gets dismembered.

John in accounting can manage that out of being born with bad genetics.
We are talking about how is he even capable to hold two words together let alone have the mental state to be charismatic or a good fighter.
If his brain gets fixed when he recovers, then he should not be depressed either and just revert back to normal.
If it doesn't, then he should be a litetal brain vegetable from trauma at this point.

Either is possible I suppose, not sure that's something they ever really confirm anywhere

Lune and Sciel deserve a say, or at least being heard of what they think. They represent all people of Lumiere and I'd argue all expedition before them. Both Maelle and Verso are assholes for ignoring them.

don't like pineapple as a child but started to enjoy it later in life

MY MEMORIES TELL ME I DON'T LIKE IT BUT IT TASTES GOOD NOW I'M GOING INSANE

Enderal

misery porn with no payoff

That's entirely you projecting your outlook onto the story

His ultimate goal is to get the whole family out. You have to start with the mother. Renoir will leave of his own volition once thats dealt with. The only part I dont get is why he doesn't immediately turn on the team the moment the paintress is dealt with and help Renior.

How the fuck is Alicia not insane

Did you see that fucking look of contempt she gave Verso after he was grieving for painted Alicia? Bitch be fucking insane and the Maelle part of her is probably doing her best to reign it in.

If his brain gets fixed when he recovers, then he should not be depressed either and just revert back to normal.

He still has the memories

That's Verso's soul.

Anon Babble's Official expedition 33 best girl ranking
1. Clea
2. Golgra
3. Sophie
4. Sciel
5. Lune
6. Emma
7. Sirene
8. Danseuse Teacher
9. Painted Alicia
10. Aline
99999. Maelle

Gee, I wonder why would you showcase disdain for the asshole that killed your brother, and Painted Alicia's dad, AND kept the letter she sent you to keep you from recovering your memories.
Who the fuck would seriously feel bad for Verso while he whines about wanting to have convinced her to stay only so she can die anyway?

Sciel "we can keep having sex until my dead husband comes back to life" is too high but otherwise good list

Versos opinion doesn't really matter though. Clea thinks painted people aren't real no? and she's a better painter than Verso. It's just a philosophical question that even the Painters themselves don't know the answer to

The family members have souls. The child Verso is not a creation, but he doesn't actually know that these things are truly sentient. He just says "for me" which is just the perspective of a child. Of course a child, like Maelle too, would cling to a fake world thinking it was real.

The ending with all the colors, the uplifting music, the family finally smiling, hugging, and accepting Verso's death at his grave? With the illusory painted people waving farewell to Maelle cheerfully?
That le BAD ENDING.

The ending in black and white, with the horror movie dissonant piano slams, the uncanny valley horror faces of your friends, Maelle crying, and an angry and aggrieved looking Verso missing his scar that he himself chose to keep, and a literal jumpscare showing you Maelle's face melting into the damaged faces her parents had when they were in the painting for too long?
That's actually le GOOD ENDING. I am a Anon and very smart btw

"You should have allowed me to say goodbye! I deserved it!"

A quote by the guy that decided to let Gustave die in front of you so it would be convenient for him.

lol yes totally crazy to look at him with disdain.

We're going to be talking in circles about this for years, just like that Telltale zombie fiasco a million years ago.

Endless headcanon, borderline fanfiction, rampant moralizing and rationalization. Fierce debates between people with perspectives so different that after the thread no one can convince the other.

Isn't it great?

Super special awesome 1. real Alicia

You're right, it's extremely hypocritical of that asshole Verso to basically try and kill EVERYONE and then whine that Maelle mercy killed her own doppleganger....which Verso also tried to mercy kill like 20 minutes ago.
Oh and Verso let Gustave die. If I was Maelle I'd have gommaged the asshole on the spot and repurposed his Chroma to make a Verso 3.0, that one's fucking broken.

I think the painted family is incapable of going insane, but that doesn't mean they don't think their existence is shit
If you knew you would live a century of torture but your brain couldn't snap, wouldn't you be depressed and desperate to find a way out too? It's like I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream except the god-being isn't as malicious

At least the cast of SO3 had enough agency and power to become real human beans themselves
Painted people in E33 are just cucks who explode into flowers at the will and whim of PainterGODS

falseflagging faggot comes to drop inflammatory comments

ignores completely what the developers state themselves

"nuh-uh I know better, my interpretation matters more than what they say"

You are a funny clown.

oh hey it's the stupid fucking retard who got assmad last thread and kept chanting

NO NOT REAL DIDN'T HAPPEN STOP IT REEEE

all last thread because he couldn't understand a video game ending
LOL

Oh come on anon, don't you want to go on a little adventure with her?

looks like a Good Ending™ with lots of happy definitely not controlled beings being toyed with by a petulant child-god to me yessir

B-b-but the heckin wholesome sentient best friendarinos!

I have no clue what you are talking about but what this does tell me is that I was right to assume you are a shitposting faggot lurking these threads then, not just an average retard. Thanks for the heads up so you can be ignored.

Verso is wthe white haired man just older right?

Seethe

he's doing it again, he's about to meltdown for another hour over the fact that's he's autistic and can't tell that the spooky horror music jumpscare ending meant to unsettle you was actually not LE GOOD

I'm going to shit post about this for so long. I already have a plan mapped out for the next couple of months.

wouldn't have it any other way

actually that ending was le good but I can't prove it or argue against it at all so I'll just appeal to authority and shitpost

lol

I loved when Maelle yelled "PLAY THE PIANO DANCING MONKEY" right at the end it really solidified her ending as the good ending to me

Link where the developers state what you say they do.

You jinxed it and invoked the Maelle Endingfag.

abandon thread and just play it anon

Sciel accepts Verso's choice because she would sacrifice the world for her husband too.

Actually really based

This is actually Le Bad™, okay? Maelle dying in the painting with the fate of the canvas in severe uncertainty is actually Le Good™. I took media literacy in community college and think I know what I am talking about , okay?

five trannies itt samefagging

It was even worse than that. She just had a completely dead stare. No emotion, nothing but a pure psychopathic listlessness as she nods as if to say "you better fucking do it and you better enjoy it too"

Didn't know Raimi and Guillaume were pals

If you mean the white-haired man from the beach then Jesus Christ leave this thread

unrealengine.com/en-US/developer-interviews/inside-the-development-journey-of-clair-obscur-expedition-33?utm_source=chatgpt.com

I may be trans but im not a fag

they look the same, they even have a scar on their eye

Yeah, he's having a great time with his friends and those are actually sighs and groans of pure happiness and joy and he changed his mind about wanting to die and free his soul fragment and the little boy saying he wanted to stop painting in the game itself? Fake news and lies.

her face is wet with tears as she has that dopey ass blank smile. They could not make it any clearer, but 4chinners can be that retarded.

I mean, is a game where you do a lot of things for alot of people. And have good/bad/whatever endings in the sidequests just for everything not matter at all at the end because of how the ending goes with everyone in Enderal dying in the cleansing. Then the 3 endings are
1- you die and save the rest of the continents (at least for a while) and send your romance to spread the world about what happened
2- you survive and get to fuck off to the moon with your romance, knowing you will live forever and she/him will not. The worlds ends and you have to wait millions of years for another circle to try to break it
3- you end up in some kind of wierd coma/purgatory where you and your romance survive and can both go to spread the world and try some other thing. It would actually be a kinda good ending if it was real and not just a dream
youtube.com/watch?v=LS5toMM6At4

Guess we'll keep on the actual discussions once the wave of circlejerkers passes.

you got BTFO and it's obvious you have autism. Invoking trannies won't save you now.

She's based.

Wait a second there's nothing about endings here you just linked a random interview.

Fine fuck you, that's his dad, and they're both painted versions of real people. Verso is actually dead and his painted self wants to die. Aline is Verso's mother and the paintress. Aline is not causing anyone to die but instead warning them. The real white haired man is killing everyone to help them escape from a painting (they're in a painting by the way).
Now go enjoy the game

circlejerk means things that make me angry and people who don't agree with my headcanon

lol

Shit game
There is nothing wrong with escapism
Also making it all be le family drama is gay

Read the interview.

source=chatGPT

source=chatgpt.com

Saar....

The first time we see her, at the end of Act 2. She has that psycho bitch look, it's so fucking hot. And her cleavage...

Post the part, then.

Nah, she's happy about fulfilling her and Verso's dream (they have a campfire conversation about Verso being a musician and wanting to perform at Lumiere Opera after they fix the world) so from her perspective she's doing everything right, but from Verso's perspective even if he's allowed to age now this is just a continuation of his nightmare. And who knows that due to corruption Maelle doesn't just decide at some point "You know I don't want to lose my brother again so how about I'll make you immortal until I leave, which will definitely happen smiley face"

source=chatgpt.com

doesn't talk about the endings

Don't trust AI, Anon. It's not there yet.

Look discussion on endings and themes is infinitely preferred to sour-grapes tendies falseflagging about whether the game is an affront to japan and woke or not

I mean we don't really know how suicidal he is at this point. Maelle clearly changes him so he ages, hoping he will find meaning in a normal life instead of being immortal and watching everyone around him die.

I think that the reason for the uncomfortable ending though is that Maelle is dying like Aline was and no one in the canvas can do anything about it. They just have to watch her die and go schizo slowly, and can only try to make her happy as that happens.

Of course Renoir would obviously come back at some point later before she actually dies so it's not actually a real ending too.

I love it when Maellefags start seething about Versochad "headcannon".

NOOOO that isn't real you're making stuff up. Stop coping and accept reality

Of course Maelle did the right thing by staying in the painting why should she come to terms with her grief and accept her shit reality?

They are so fucking retarded it's insane kek

Would you?

look at the veins popping out on his hands as it looks like he is forcing his hands to play (or maybe trying to stop them?). Look at his facial expressions. They were not subtle at all in letting you know

he is not having a good time

I bet she would look so beautiful if she was 32

her sister, yes

I'm pretty sure we've had several games and the like where we've fucked all kinds of burned girls already.

You could even call it a Anon Babble staple to jizz on the burn scars.

Hug her? Yes.

Verso and Marche were right

give me the chocolate, Hisao

Im trans and I look like clea irl

This ending is great just for that part alone. It's obviously the worse of the two since it's stagnation.

damn tranny still mad kek

Yeah no shit.

I'm saying I think he's having a bad time because he can see Maelle's face is melting and knows she's dying (and desu he's probably still suicidal).

youtu.be/ow0wVS9S3a4?t=25

the fact that people even argue it is hilarious

hey can I not be trapped inside a painting hellworld forever?

look the trapped fragment of my real self's soul will tell you how shit it is all game long via 20 different NPCs versions of him throughout the entire game

he will literally tell you himself he wants to stop painting

"Yeah but he probably wants to keep painting"

It's why we are here for.

yes you are

Why is she missing her eye on the side that isn't burnt though?

I read Katawa Shojo so yes.

Yeah but she wouldn't me

No im straight, I have a boyfriend

why do you type in the third person, retard?

Remember this is the same asshole that let Gustave die and admits it.

Is that why she forced him to live?

that means your gay

no u

That will be the tenth time now

How did the sister know what she's saying when she can't speak?

that's not what 'no u' means, ESL troon bro.

your

SAAR please

It's bad for the person.
Do it if you want, but living in a delusion and denying reality is objectively not good for you.

Woman plus man is straight and not gay

He took the choice out of her hands repeatedly:
-didn't help her remember she was Alicia (also what caused her to develop the Maelle schizosona)
-didn't help Gustave despite admitting he could've
-didn't tell her the truth so she wouldn't help Aline
-tries to kick her out of the canvas despite her wishes
Then he has the audacity to be pissy about her deleting painted Alicia (at her request) or wanting to stay in the canvas.

It isn't perfect, but I think it's incredibly hopeful. The first ending you give someone what they've always really wanted while simultaneously giving the world the greatest gift you can give anyone. The second ending has that classic boyish spirit of adventure (yes I realize the implications from the other guy). The third ending is indeed just cope. While we're talking about it, it is the same thing as the Maelle ending kek.

ok it was three trannies samefagging

Don't forget what he does to Julia and her team. Now play the fucking piano Verso.

saar do the needful please mass reply not doing

You don't even remember her name, retard

Probably not, she's not as vindictive as Alina who made the painted family suffer for no good reason
Maelle is more misguided if anything, she wants Verso to finally live a good and theoretically finite life except it's slowly killing her and Verso is fucking done with this shit and also the rest of his painted family is gone so from his point of view he's still a slave

now the trannies doing his jeet impression love this part of the meltdown kek

if it was three people then it's not samefagging you ESL retard

Clea doesn't see them as real in a literal sense. She's not even emotionally attached to her own family. Boy Verso is clearly right, though. They have real thoughts, feelings, ambitions, etc

love this part of the meltdown

Maelle did nothing wrong
Play the piano Verso piggu

Waiter, this steak is burnt.

yeah it three trannies samefagging because no one cares about this tranny game fotm period has expired

seething broken English

why doesn't your shitty raid Discord do the needful and teach you proper fucking English?

You know, I wanted to argue she's not a psycho... But she did create all these Nevrons (yeah I know the Painted the version is drawing them, but there are a bunch of Nevron paintings and sculptures in her room in the manor)

this is Le Good btw

jak

mad and lost
say sarr again tranny nigga say sarr again

your

jak

sarr

this ESL fuckwit can't even spell the buzzwords he spews correctly
LOL

She's happy

t. 100% rotting on fent IRL and thinks its okay

tranny snapped

and all it took was one simple trick
telling the truth

Is dying in the canvas surrounded by the friends you made along the way (plus salty Verso) that much worse than living your life as a burned cripple hated by most of her family?

I not make seething and cry you do seething and cry *long string of broken English*

lol

Gustave would've found a way to keep the canvas alive, free Lil Verso and keep Maelle from being pulled into canvas for years like her mom. That is the real reason he had to die.

damn still going huh almost like tranny seething because game shit

living your life as a burned cripple hated by most of her family?

how did you miss the incredibly long and obvious ending sequence? Did you just turn your monitor off?

n..no.. *arriba arriba burrito burrito taco enchilada*

LOL

Some girls play with dolls, others sculpt something out of the mind of H.R. Giger.

How long ago did Verso die exactly? Can't remember if they mention that, and if they've even attempted to move past it or immediately went with the painting cope

Her mother still hates her and her sister is indifferent.

seethed into another language

calling tranny games shit is powerful

She forces painted Clea to make nevrons. Nevrons keep chroma from returning to her mother. Yes it's cruel, but she's being pragmatic. She tried to get Simon to push Aline out of the painting too

cool made up stuff but try just paying attention to the game next time

All the anons lacking media literacy

The game world is an allegory and it's not supposed to strictly make material sense.

saar still crying

yawn

didn't help her remember she was Alicia (also what caused her to develop the Maelle schizosona)

He did though.

turned this guy into a jeettranny and mexicantranny lmao also you’re embarrassing the other to trannies

I'm guessing no more than a year or two, since the trauma still seems pretty raw for most of the family members, but enough time has passed for them to clean up some of the fire damage and for Alicia's burns to have healed into scars.

Play through the Endless Tower instead of watching a playthrough on YouTube

The sister clearly cares but she's just completely done with this shit. She wants to move on but everyone is being a retard about it.

also you’re embarrassing the other to trannies

you’re embarrassing the other

SAAR
what means this?

The mansion aisle where he died is still under repair in the fake Epilogue after Act 2 so it's been a couple months at most

tranny seethe

free so free

the mom's behavior toward alicia was just unacceptable tho. but yea you can tell clea cares a tiny bit

It would have to be a bit more then that considering her burns.
Also don't get why her eye on her burnt side is fine but not the other one.

ESL is going to keep repeating his broken English sentences ad nauseam, not that it knows what that means

moving on

Oh for sure, the mom is a cunt. Clea seems like the aloof older sister who does care, she's just not good at showing that and frustrated with the whole situation that you don't really see it much.

Clea cares, but she's busy trying to get her parents to stop being retarded while also fighting a war, so she doesn't have time to tiptoe around people's feelings.

she's fighting a war that should be her entire family's effort while her family is playing with VR headsets to the point they might die. I think she has a right to be pissed

another day another tranny buckbroken and actin a damn fool
SHIT GAME

name le evil true god Lucifer

fucking japs

Clea cares a lot actually, probably because she knows how hard it is to grow up with their parents, high expectations and all. She just doesn't show it because of the way she griefs for a Verso.

That facial expression was too good.

Aline made her simulacrum family they way she wanted them to be. She didn't mess up because she was working form faulty memory.
Those recreations will also be perfect, since it's based on the same chroma.

you forgot to add in the lines where she says the only life alicia owes her parents is one she enjoys living

It's a picture of "putting your soul" into something you create.