Was Ellie right or wrong to forgive Abby?

I would have been perfectly okay with Ellie "letting her go" if she didn't come to that conclusion while drowning her.
I do not understand why they needed an epic CQC button prompt fight at the end. The first game didn't make you fight Marlene 1v1 for Ellie's body. There is nothing mechanically interesting about it. Was this some insecure attempt to not be a "walkable movie?"
Narratively it would have been so much better to show just how completely deflated Ellie's thirst for revenge became when she saw Abby's skeletor of a body, unwilling and unable to even fight back.

it's right, because at the end of the day he was a wh*te male and that's ok sweety and if you disagree you're an incel nazy grifter

The ending would've had far more impact if Ellie kills Abby, goes home, and realizes she has nothing, realizing that revenge destroyed her life. That would've portrayed and executed Cuckmann's message far better than whatever he was trying to do.

The cycle of revenge does not stop with Ellie sparing Abby. Okay so Abby is spared. And the other 100 random unnamed grunts that she spared? The doctor Joel killed was also some unnamed grunt, and then Abby comes out of nowhere. It's funny how in the retarded message Cuckmann was trying to pull off about stopping the cycle of revenge, he doesn't realize the irony that there is a non zero chance that some random kid might just kill Ellie in the future because his dad died, on the quest of revenge towards Abby.

It is gay as fuck that there is no option to spare Abby. A traditional game would have given you the option to spare her, and kill her. The decision to spare Abby doesn't feel natural, it was executed so poorly that it doesn't even feel like it is Ellie's choice, and neither is it the player's choice. It is Cuckmann inserting his retarded ideas into the medium.

All the hollywood tier scenes, dialogue, acting and music made me feel repulsed. They tried so hard to make a movie game and that shit does not belong in gaming at all. Then the retard got humbled at the infamous incident.

If you support this game then you're a massive retard. End of discussion.

abby is an ogre and I hated her, Ellie is me, I experience all the same things as ellie and even got manipulated by playing as abby. Still wanna mutilate her like I did all the mooks in that hotline miami max payne 3 ass game. I enjoyed killing. I would've like to shotgun dismember abbys leg

100 random unnamed grunts that she spared

that she killed* whoops

Exactly, that's what the ugliness of revenge is
She tried to do it and suffered for it. No happy ending for her mistakes

You clearly haven't played the game so I won't entertain this anymore

Yeah well she started the cycle of revenge with a bunch of other people and who is to say Abby wouldn't try some shit? Not like Ellie is magic.
It is dumb. It is a bad ending. If you defend it you just wanna feel smart but you're actually a midwit.

It sounds like you're actually a midwit who's mad that the hero didn't win in the end. Typical low IQ behavior.
Sad to say but the world isn't fair.

The hero didn't win in the end

1. Ellie isn't a hero
2. Her decision only proves she is as dumb as you
I already said, this "cycle of revenge" nonsense doesn't work when you go out and kill 100 people on your way to forgiving the one person who actually harmed your life and killed the person you love.

MUH LUDO NARRATIVE DISSONANCE

It's almost as if a story like this doesn't work for a fucking video game because the only way this story works is if she walks across the country and then forgives Abby, but you have to have action set pieces in your action game so it just ruins whatever message you wanna have because you can't pretend like the action set pieces didn't happen.

I can tell by your leftist approach of "writing the other guy in caps to make yourself sound reasonable" has you very upset

She tried to do it and suffered for it

So wouldn't it be better exemplified if she actually killed her and gained nothing but two missing fingers and an empty house? "Le cycle of revenge," where any triumph turns to ash supposed to actually have the act of revenge fulfilled.
Like you niggers are pretending that Ellie not finishing off Abby was some divine intervention and not a conscious choice made by her. This isn't "heh life ain't all revenge and pretzels, kid" This is the writer choosing to make Ellie let go of her obsession at the moment in time where it would look the most demented, explicitly to manufacture additional woes and I'm assuming save Abby for potential sequel because ND of course knew she would fan's favorite.

I don't think it's OOC for Ellie at all, considering the state Abby was in and she was looking after a kid. Yes she's a fictional character and the writer's ultimately decide what she'll do but that doesn't make it unrealistic. And I don't think the game wants you to think she forgave Abby she never even learned the real reason she killed Joel, it was more like a moment of acceptance and letting go..?

EXCUSE ME MA'AM, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS TIME WHILE WE WERE RUNNING AWAY FROM A HORDE OF ZOMBIES TO LET YOU KNOW, MY NAME IS TOMMY "MY BROTHER KILLED THE FIREFLIES" MILLER, AND THIS IS MY BROTHER JOEL "THE MAN WHO MURDERED THE ENTIRE FIREFLY CULT" MILLER. I ALSO SOMETIMES CALL HIM JOEL "THE GUY WHO KILLED EVERYONE IN THAT FIREFLY CAMP" MILLER BUT THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME MISS STRANGER?

AND DON'T FORGET YOUR BIGOT SANDWICHES

forgive

She didn't

The whole encounter was retarded. She should have just left Abby hanging.

1. Ellie isn't a hero

And neither is fucking Abby. What the fuck is this slop made for? For sadists? For cucks?

It is made for the "video games are art" crowd and it really doesn't want to be a video game because it goes of its way to act as a deconstruction of video games but because they're a corporate product they still have to operate as a video game which completely undermines the entire story.

TLOU also had a complete bullshit ending that made no sense, but in that case Neil Druckmann was smart enough to use smart sounding science words to trick dumb fucks in Plebbit and Anon Babble who can’t realize how absolutely fucking stupid the Fireflies’ plan was
He got cocky in TLOU2 and thought he could write backwards from the premise again, only this time he couldn’t rely on the burgers' lack of basic science education to cover up his plot holes

And I once again point out that the ideal way to show this would be to not have any fight at all.
This isn't about it being out of character. The sequence of events is just an asinine "long-awaited rematch" moment that didn't need to exist. You are a narrative experience first and foremost; shut the fuck up and direct a cutscene with your fancy-ass motion capture. Literally just have a human freak out, where Ellie sees this roided nightmare that lived in her head reduced to a dazed and dehydrated girl unable to even get up to fight her, crawling towards Lev. There wouldn't be any anger, just despair over throwing everything away for this cadaver that destroyed itself on her own. This is clearly what they were going for to begin with. But this doesn't fucking work when Abby can immediately pounce and fight back. If the Abby, who didn't kill Dina simply because the tranny kid intervened is still there, why wouldn't Ellie go through with this? Why would it matter what she thought about Joel? It's undeniably written as an obsession over being put into a powerless situation to begin with. Ellie's revenge is clearly irrational. It's a giant chip on her shoulder. Shaking it off WHILE strangling Abby after she beat her in a fight is just nonsense, not out of character, just written so fucking badly, that at least for it fumbled the entire game. Which is in itself impressive to this day. What a shit ending can do to a mf.

Abby is a man-looking dyke, which means she should be left unscathed while Ellie is left miserable. Ellie trying to play the guitar before realizing she can't with her missing fingers is the telling part. These freaks get off on that shit, seeing injustices go unpunished and their kind getting away with it.

Ellie should've just finished it.

I remember when the game came out, some anon here posted a comic-like drawing of how it should have ended. It showed Ellie executing Lev the same way Abby did to Joel. Unironically, the perfect ending for this game, shame I didn't get to download that image to post it here.

ENOUGH
NEXT GUY

Back in the good ol’ days people actually liked moral ambiguity and nuance, there not being a “right” side just two sides. People really liked Joel for this, they liked how the game ended. But now instead of praising Joel and his compelling character motivations for saving Ellie, they headcanon the fireflies into being totally evil terrorists that would have killed Ellie for nothing—and that’s kind of a microcosm of some people’s viewpoints, they don’t want the “other side” to be sympathetic

And this game is refreshingly video game-y, not because of the storytelling but for the actual gameplay. I went from TLOU2 to RDR2 and it WAS painful jumping from a game with high energy gameplay to a game like RDR2 where even in gameplay moments, if I don’t exactly follow what the game wants me to do I’ll get a Game Over screen.

Standing there, she realized that she was just like her

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tranny game

Hello I am infested and I am deathly afraid of aquariums

which means she should be left unscathed

can't believe "people" have played and seriously talk about this goddamn abomination.

They are making three seasons of TV out of this abomination on HBO. 8 Emmys so far. I think we are justified.

Cleared for active duty because Ellie needs some more guilt in a couple of days

If the message is that revenge is bad and destroys everything, shouldn't Ellie have died? Why didn't Neil commit to the message?

The time to forgive Abby was before abandoning her family to hunt the bitch down. Now she's lost everyone and doesn't even get vengeance.

Ugh, I HATE this game!

I hate it so much I'm gonna enter a thread about it that I hate and let people know how much I hate it!!!!!

Wrong from the start.
You could tell her heart was not in it when Tommy came to her place, but she went anyway because she felt she had to. At one point she should've realised she hasn't got what it takes to juggle all these obligations. She tried to put a finger in everything but was half-arsed doing it - so in the end she couldn't kill the one she's supposed to kill, she went back to an empty home, and lost a finger. She got what she deserved.

I'll kill many people including a pregnant woman
I'll get my friend killed
I'll put my wants ahead of my pregnant girlfriend
I'll let my uncle figure lose his eye
I'll leave my girlfriend and stepchild behind
I'll kill even more people
I'll get my fucking fingers bitten off
But actually finishing what I started mere seconds away from doing it after all that is where I draw the fucking line because I'm not like that.

She got what she deserved.

She deserved to be brutally murdered

Why was Tommy such a faggot?
He should be wanting revenge above all else but he just becomes a limp dick after Joel dies and doesn't wanna go

Don't get married ammirite fellas

It's wild that they thought anyone would care about Abby whatsoever after she killed the most popular character. Not only that but then she can just gun down people she's known her entire life.

When it's not cramming the story down your throat it's actually a pretty enjoyable TPS.

It made no sense for her to realize the futility of her revenge only after killing a billion unrelated people and dogs.

didn't abby let her and dina go after she beats them? i feel like half the retards in this thread didn't play the game

Tommy rode with Joel for twenty years after the end of the world, and they both did horrible things. He probably knew it was only a matter of when, not if. Still, when he nutted up he basically destroyed the WLF all on his own.

Yeah, after Lev said "don't," a millisecond before she would have sliced Dina's neck open after hearing she was pregnant. This wasn't Abby's mercy, but Lev's.
Maybe replay the game?

This, it was obvious before she left that she wasn't doing it purely out of revenge anymore, or at least not entirely, she was doing it more out of desperation to finally get some kind of "closure" to her traumas and finally be able to move on

doesn't matter since she didn't do it anyway

she was doing it more out of desperation to finally get some kind of "closure" to her traumas and finally be able to move on

also known as revenge

Yeah, that's called revenge.

Yeah and Ellie had her Joel porch flashback which served the same purpose as Lev's ""don't"

This wasn't Abby's mercy

also remember she let them go based on a "don't" right after she found out 2 of her friends one of them was her lover were dead after coming back from 2 other friends dying and almost dying herself, get a grip retard

Think the game would have been more impactful if players were given the choice like in so many other games.

game ellie when she gets told that dina will have a baby

literal meltie

show ellie when she gets told that dina will have a baby

ohhhh... I'm gonna be a dad!

You can't make this shit up, how do you manage to be worse than fucking tlou2

See The roided-up dyke *must* live, and you *must* eat your heart out in misery.

actually, nah. that's enough murdering rampage for me. i don't think it's worth it anymore. i can handle the guilt of all those other murders but this last one is too much. oh well.

She wouldn't sound so tired and hopeless about it if it were the case, that fire in her died in Seattle, in all of Santa Barbara's section she makes killing Abby sound more like a chore she feels like she NEEDS to do because she thinks it will make her make the pain stop, rather than something she actually wants

It absolutely matters. This wasn't live and let live. This was Abby not wanting to look like a complete bloodthirsty psychopath in front of Lev. Replay the game. She was fucking giddy when she heard Dina was pregnant, since that would have been a double whammy for Mel.

Seriously replay the game before calling anyone a retard, autsimo. Tommy throws himself on her before could fire, which what should clearly wanted to do. There was no 'dont' it was clear scramble. Lev shot Tommy right after.

shit writting, that's what happens when the guy that makes the designs of monsters and and enviroments tries to write the plot of the characters.
NEXT GUY!

she thinks balancing the scales will free her from her bullshit and balancing the scales means enacting revenge. you can put whatever pretty poetic bow you want on it but it's still putting a bow on revenge

This wasn't Abby's mercy, but Lev's.

Lev didn't forced her to let her go, she could have just sliced Dina's throat anyways, the choice was ultimately still hers to take

Revenge doesn't have to be something you enjoy and take glee in.

people who talk like you fail to see the picture from abby's pov, her intention don't mean shit if she didn't follow through, she didn't kill dina nor ellie her friend killers after she went through shit for 3 straight days, at that point she only had lev. and no this doesn't mean ellie didn't go through shit either, i m just saying i understand why ellie let her go at the end and if you fail to see it maybe play the game huh ?

I would have been fine with ur scenario, but to me it was good they fought. Ellie seems to “forget” what she was there for, spun around by Abby’s appearance and her child companion. Ellie gets ready to board the boat, but then she looks at her blood and has an intrusive memory of Joel’s face. The background track starts turning dark. Ellie turns to face Abby “I can’t let you leave.” I liked it. I would have felt something was missing if they didn’t fight. Does Abby’s appearance and how it, probably, impacted Ellie undercut by how she still had the strength to “pounce”? Not to me, she is still weakened but Abby is a fighter and she’s not fighting just for herself it makes sense she would desperately fight back. but Ellie still overpowers her.

That line about Abby not killing Dina was written as a way to justify Ellie wanting revenge, but Abby still showed mercy despite all her friend’s deaths and that boy that stopped her was there. Ellie’s revenge was irrational but I don’t know…I can just see this situation happening. Ellie wasn’t deranged she has complex emotions and this is a year after the trauma of Seattle. Ellie has Abby completely at her mercy but her rage breaks, she isn’t thinking about what Abby did to Joel she starts thinking about that moment on the porch and how she wanted to forgive him. To me it’s like Ellie remembered what was truly important to her, and that was she didn’t want vengeance for him she wanted peace with him or something like that?

But I think the game should have given the player the choice to kill Abby, and then release the statistics of how much did it. Although my brain can kind of see sparing her in a compelling light, it would have also been compelling to kill her. And it would be very interesting to see how many people would have.

Lev didn't forced her to let her go

He absolutely did. What you think it doens't count because he didn't physically stopped Abby from slashing Dina's throat?

fail to see the picture from abby's pov

Why should I care about the villain's point of view?

just a chill guy no flaws no nothin'

I really don't hate the ending that much. My beautiful daughterwife Ellie being portrayed as a lesbian (she's not, we have sex all the time) is much more angering.

I think its less about right and wrong and more about what Ellie could live with. She lost pretty much everyone important to her, except Tommy (and its implied Maria is fucking furious at her which is why she and Dina left). I think she realized that if she killed Abby she wouldn't "deserve" to be able to go home or try to find a new one. Do I think it was stupid? Yes. Always a change Abby or Lev could come after her

There was no reason for this guy to even be in the game. Just there to get shot in the head and be immediately forgotten.

How? by just calling out her name and doing some puppy eyes? if Abby was really that much of a remorseless bitch she wouldn't have cared at all and still would have killed both Dina and Ellie

Only right answer. I would have loved killing Abby.

Why should I care about the villain's point of view?

explain how abby is the villain without resorting to Anon Babblefaggotry

I felt so bad for that guy, yeah he was rude but he was drunk, appeared to give a sincere apology and gave her fucking steak sandwiches I dont know much about their HQ but I'm sure steak is a luxury.

Just make it a choice. Ellie can be sad at home because she lost everyone either way.

To me it’s like Ellie remembered what was truly important to her, and that was she didn’t want vengeance for him she wanted peace with him or something like that?

That's nice by itself but she went on a psychotic murder spree to reach this conclusion

balancing the scales

She already pretty much killed everyone Abby ever cared about with the expection of just Lev, at least Ellie still had Dina, JJ and Tommy

She killed the hero of the first game. Explain to me how she ISN'T the villain without resorting to moral relativism.

i didn't think someone would bite on something so obvious but someone did. nice job.

What the fuck does it matter what was in Abby's POV, you autismo? The entire point is that nothing in Ellie's decision-making about letting Abby go at the end of her genocide run would include Abby letting them go back there simply because it was Lev's doing. If Ellie believed that she owed Abby and they were square, she wouldn't go after her to begin with. You already forgot what was the argument even about, you nigger?

TLOU also had a complete bullshit ending that made no sense

Part 1's ending made perfect sense. There was zero proof that the operation, even if it was successful, would have led to a cure. It wasn't even a SOMA-coin-flip, it was a "maybe we can do something with this." It also was build up to for the entire game, with Joel going from "don't you ever say her name" to "I think you two would have been friends." The only thing they should have changed was Joels answer at the end

Swear to me everything you said is true

No

...okay.

She killed the hero of the first game.

who killed her father, joel is no hero thats the whole fucking point of the first game no one is

joel is no hero thats the whole fucking point of the first game no one is

No, that's your revisionist history Cuckmann.

TLoU1

Ellie outright asks Joel if he's telling the truth

Joel has no poker face and says "Uhhh yeah, I promise..."

Ellie looks dead-eyed for a few seconds

It's obviously to literally everyone in the audience that she knows he's lying or at least hiding something

...Ok

She copes

TLoU2

JOEL YOU STOLE MY PURPOSE FROM ME I HAD NO IDEA FUCK YOOOOOOU

I'm not crazy, right? My impression of the original ending is she 100% knew, but accepted it.

and she still had nightmares and whatnot for over a year because she felt the job wasn't finished

if Ellie believed that she owed Abby and they were square, she wouldn't go after her to begin with

holy fuck, play the game you Anon Babbletard faggot

after the countless of people each of these cunts killed this scene has no relevance.

No, I think the entire point of her hesitating before saying "okay" was that she knew he was full of shit. Thats also why she turned around to face the seat when he was driving them away from the hospital and he said something like "theres a whole lot more out there and it hasnt done any good." The changes made in Part 2 were just stupid.

Well most of her kills was self defense right? And the times that it wasn’t ie Nora weighed especially heavily on her. Owen has this long speel about how he was killed dozens of Scars, but then seeing a defeated elderly Scar unable to fight back is what disillusioned him on the war. So there is this backdrop theme of like…self defense kills vs cruelty? Ellie could have shanked Abby while her back was turned but she forces her to fight back by threatening Lev, why does she do that?

And Seattle still traumatized her greatly. In her journal she talks about how she thinks about Seattle on a daily basis, she doesn’t say she thinks about Nora or Mel or anything specific she says Seattle in general so yeah all that bloodshed did weigh on her

She's been gay since the dlc for the original in 2014.

i doubt she imagined the extent of what joel did at the hospital. she just thought he isn't telling her all the details and that the fireflies were still working away at the hospital

That was a lot of people's interpretation. That her going along with the lie because she loved Joel so much.
And then of course Neil ruined it

Well most of her kills was self defense right?

Nah she's the one pushing forward into hostile territory

Game should have 2 endings depending if you stealth or not.

go on a killing spree

Abby gets killed

be stealth

Abby is spared

Forgiveness is never the answer. Spite for people who have wronged you should be your driving force.

What a load of bullshit, the game makes great effort to make the ending morally ambiguous. Marlene had every right to shoot Joel at the parking lot, but she still spares him and it costs her her life. “I’m not about to kill the only man who could possibly understand the weight of this choice.” They even have the doctor’s death be this like canon event that always happens, clearly as a plot device for the second game. What is revisionist is the gamers trying to make Joel 100% in the right which absolutely ruins this character they seem to love, his choosing Ellie over the vaccine is beautiful and compelling.

no this is retarded, this is the dishonored way the worst thing about that game

I suggest you go and watch the scene right now. Come back and tell me with a straight face that Lev didn't prevent her from slicing Dina's throat right then and there.

if Abby was really that much of a remorseless bitch

Who said anything about Abby being a remorseless bitch? I am not arguing in any instance that Abby is a psychopath only that Lev cockblocked her from revenge and she relented, explicitly to not create a giant fucking rift between them two.

I see you ran out of arguments. No wonder since you have clearly forgotten what you were even answering to begin with.

To get at Abby, they’re shooting her on sight they don’t know if she’s a Scar or a scavenger or anything which is why she isn’t having some moral quandary over every gunfight

you get to choose whether abby lives or dies

ending is the exact same because empty

woah dude cinema moment and less bitching

I have never played this game and don't get why everyone hates/loves it. Based on the picture I don't think she should have forgiven him because he looks like a faggot.

they're forcefully defending their territory. ellie is the aggressor

Shit, you are right. A small indie studio under a small Eastern European publisher wouldn't be able to create two separate endings based on that decision. It's never been done before.

I see you ran out of arguments. No wonder since you have clearly forgotten what you were even answering to begin with.

classic Anon Babblefaggotry, why would i argue with someone who didn't play the game, you spew shit that make it obvious. guess you win this one. here's a (you) for your effort.

Well from Ellie’s perspective it should be pretty obvious why there is a distinction between these armed soldiers hunting her down to kill her with dogs that will maul her if they sniff her, and like torturing a defenseless Nora. Owen killed a bunch of Scars, even though they’re just defending their home and people too, but he couldn’t bring himself to kill the old man Scar

why would i argue

Exactly what I said, you are clearly not even arguing anymore. Just buttfucking a strawman.

Abby and Ellie destroy each other for revenge

The WLF and Seraphites destroy each other for revenge

wowwwww....

Spoken like a true lefty

Yeah nice try

But I think the game should have given the player the choice to kill Abby, and then release the statistics of how much did it

What is this Telltale? That's cringe, and you know they wouldn't do it. In principle, there is nothing wrong with the ending, but the presentation and the choice of how elements slap together are atrocious. Like, you never find it strange how Lev doesn't say a single word in it? He is passed out, but why? Why is such an essential character to Abby's moral compass, and let's be frank, how the clashes between Abby and Ellie played out has nothing to contribute except to be a lever?
I'm more wondering what kind of QA they do if no one ever from the testers ever complained about the ending. Surely, fucking surely someone did. Or maybe they don't test the endings, that would run the risk to influence the 'auteur'

He is passed out, but why?

I mean, they had been starved and hung from that pole for days if not longer (I think one of the prisoners you rescue says its been a while) and he's like 13, so of course he's going to be barely responsive

Adulthood is realizng that what Abby did to Joel was kind of okay.

abby has cutscene asspull plot armor because cuckman fetish, which did not even bother with different endings

I wasn’t expecting it but it would have been a nice treat, and kind of a nod to the players that couldn’t sympathize with Abby. If they’re not doing a third part I kind of have a why not? opinion on their being a choice and I’m mostly interested in knowing how many would have killed her.

And I don’t know what Lev would have added to the scene “S-stop fighting… this isn’t who you are…” some shit ass shit and have that be the reason Ellie stopped, this was between Ellie and Abby Lev wasn’t even introduced when Abby killed Joel which is what this grudge was about

after killing a billion unrelated people [along the way]

I generally ignore the gameplay kills
Basically only named enemies count, so near the end when she kills those two guys after getting stuck in the trap, those kills count. Owen and Mel counted. I didn't see the end as Ellie forgiving Abby, I saw it as Ellie just giving up. She's more sad and burnt out than angry at that point, and she sees herself with a knife at some kid's throat and wonders if she should go through with it. I think she doubts that killing Abby will quiet her psyche. I don't think any of that means she forgave Abby, just that she gets to the end and then doesn't have the motivation to go through with it

why do people find Owen likable?

impregnated Mel cheating on her before baby is even out

stupid ass moralfag convinced the group to spare Ellie and Tommy and now they're all dead

They worked backwards from

We want our story to be progressive and have a Lesbian protagonist.

Lets have a plot line about how she and her wife have a baby on the way.

But wait Lesbians can't get each other pregnant, especially in the post-apocalypse with no artificial insemination.

Quick invent a sperm donor.

Attacking Ellie was really stupid too, he risked Mel and his baby just because he didn’t want to tell Ellie where Abby was (scar island) even though Abby can take care of herself

He's not likable, he's relatable
I think most people have loved someone that they couldn't be with for some reason, in Owen's case because Abby is garbage as a partner. She's not the same girl Owen knew before she lost her dad but he still wants that girl. Mel is just a pastime and birth control would be nearly non-existent so he ended up a father, not unlike many men of 100 years ago

I'm not asking for biological reasons why he is passed out. From a narrative standpoint, why does he do nothing but be a lever for Ellie to make Abby fight her?

And I don’t know what Lev would have added to the scene

Easy and tangible justification for Ellie to let Abby go beyond the lackluster porch flashback. Literally make Ellie be distinctly aware that Lev is the reason Abby didn't kill her and Dina, and have Lev freak out, drawing attention to himself, fucking screaming and wailing. Literally make a reverse of Dina's situation. Hammering it even more that what Ellie is doing is indeed "bicycle of violins." The ending is so shit that you practically write a dissertation on how to vitalize it without adding literally any new elements.

If they’re not doing a third part I kind of have a why not?

I don't think they knew it at the time.

opinion on their being a choice and I’m mostly interested in knowing how many would have killed her.

I think you can kind of gauge it by the reaction the game itself no. I mean, that's not loud minority case.

Three

Original stuff, then?

Spoilering in case anyone hasn't seen the movie.
100% should've gone the I Saw the Devil route. Main character becomes a monster to punish the person that did them wrong as revenge and then is just left with their grief and everything they've done in the pursuit of revenge. Way more interesting than "nooo i can't kill her i need to end the cycle"

Supposedly. Might even consult Neil on what his ideas were but I kind of doubt it. I think showrunners desperately want to write their own riff.