SMT

the story is among the best SMT has to offer.

Not at all. If you read Kaneko's original proposal you can see how ridiculous the scope of the narrative he made was and the final games makes tbe dumb decision to try to keep as much of it as possible. Several plot threads go nowhere, like the ashura-kai brain harvesting one, or literally end minutes within starting, like the gaean woman who dies five min after you meet her. It's made worse by them trying to shoehorn references to SMT1/2 on top of all of this.

I've played many and you amhave no arguments. Cry more bitch boy.

And here come the fanboys taking criticism of their first game personally.

What are you talking about? We know what the deal with the pills are.

you lived long enough to see Nocturne retire as baby's first megaten

Not a fanboy, don't speak in absolute. Never reply to me retarded faggot zoomer, unfun fuck.

ashura-kai brain harvesting one

Do you understand how a setting works or no?

Persona has a monopoly on good stories, "mainline" ones are all shit.

Medusa and Minotaur are gatekeepers to make sure you're not retarded. The game chills the fuck out after that.

The revisionism only really started after 5 came out. We need a new name for the "zelda cycle" because it applies to pretty much ever game series now.

Always did, always will. Most people are fuckwits.

smtvv doesn't even feel like a SMT, at least nocturne did.

good to know 4A has better difficulty, i'm not even crazy about needing a really hard game, it's just crazy that i can one shot literally every trash pack right now (shortly after getting to blasted tokyo)

3DS has no jrpgs so lets rush one to make bank.

i just got my 3ds a few weeks ago, i bought it because of the jrpg library actually. was SMT4 one of the first ones on it or something?

harder than VV

VV is the only one i've played so far and honestly when only taking post-medusa into consideration, 4 is much easier

SMT IV Minoraur and Medusa

SMT V Hydra

liking this trend of greek mythos demons as first gatekeepers, wonder which one they'll use in SMT VI

VV has difficult optional bosses, and even the fiend fights like Matador are much harder than anything in IV

Hopefully it's the bankruptcy demon

or actually making a good game like they promised with EO next.

you need to stop typing gibberish if you want anyone to argue with you

Minotaur being the first boss is literally a series tradition that goes back to MT1.

I honestly liked portable SMT or at least less running around.

is Devil Survivor a good option to play after 4A or should i play EO?

they're all incredibly different so pick one

have you played DDS?

this

EO

Fuck off we are full, DS is great

I'm a newfag, only played VV and now working on 4[/spoiler]. I got a 3ds a few weeks ago so I'm sticking to that for now, I'll play nocturne and some emulated games once I get through a decent amount of the handheld library

Every Fatlus game (except Nocturne) is dogshit.
SMT4 will keep on getting worse the longer you play it

you're a fucking faggot and deserve to be killed

Do people think VV is too easy? Second boss was a huge pushivee but aside from that I thought it was decently balanced combat wise, valkyries on the third map kept fucking me up. The fuckup imo comes from being able to fast travel, kills all the tension. SMT is a dungeon crawler at heart but I think Atlus has forgotten a out that.

I cant think of a single atlus rpg I played which I didnt enjoy a lot.

this is why no one takes you people seriously

Do people think VV is too easy?

Dogshit gameplay, open world design, shitty progress, you spam 1 ability trough the entire game, horrendous music that doesn't fit the theme, no dungeons, mediocre story, mediocre characters, HORRENDOUS writting

It has a lot of problems

wut? the writing is really good. what issue do you have with it?

they probably bitched out and played on normal, if they even played it at all and aren't just blindly shitflinging like ITT

He's talking about VV, not V.

Well, no dungeons still applies to VV, but the dungeons suck anyway, it's good there aren't many of them. The overworld progression with the multiple layers and pathways in the later areas is much better than traditional Atlus corridors.

horrendous music that doesn't fit the theme

What.

I just remembered VV has those dampener items. Kinda cringe when you think about it ngl

hamao spam

muh cars

Blocks your path

kind of balanced by the fact that enemy physical moves can easily oneshot multiple demons in a single turn with a crit (at least on hard) and phys dampeners are in limited supply

dude, I asked about the difficulty yet you decided to go on a rant about everything but the damn difficulty. Go take your Medicine.
yeah kinda cringe but at least you can hold 3 max at any time. DDS has skills that kinda do the same but the game was balanced around that.

hahah yeah kinda cringy wingy zoinkies!!! damps are cringe omfg holy CRINGE BRUH cringe

Play 4A on 'War' difficulty

Escape rate is in the gutter even against demons half my level

Compendium costs tripled

For what fucking purpose man

VV was harder than III, DDS, IV, IV:a, vanilla V. Stop saying that shit was easy. Qadistu gangbang fight was cancer

you dont like suffering?

enemy is charging up their super move!

use <element> block to not die!

Peak Fatlus game design, so great that they brought it back in SMT5

that's cringe bro cringy cringe zoinks

this anon needs to takena dis-retard right now

obviously limit your toolset. game is way too easy once you have access to party buffs

Oh yeah faggots not use a guide for everything don't they? No wonder it's not difficult when you know what to use and when to use lmao

bruh cringe

you can just guard most of the time. dampeners are more of a bonus to give you the initative if you predict correctly, they're not required

every single jrpg is easy. atlus games being hard became a meme with nocturne and even nocturne is a walk once you learn it. thing is it has a ridiculously learning curve specifically if one is going blind and playing on hard.

I smoke tons of weed and still was able to beat SMT VV on hard with not much of a problem (barring a few bosses). If you niggers can't do the same then you must be absolute retards lol kek

I get that but it's not like compendium costs are cheap to begin with also the escape rate being lowered is just plain annoying (I understand it being lowered against demons that are higher/same level but just straight up lowering it no matter what is gay)

puzzle games are easy when you look up all the answers

I smoke tons of weed

we can tell, retard. nobody in the thread said anything other than VV is easy

Yes 4A is much better in gameplay in general. 4A might just be the easiest mainline SMT.

Man, that Kaneko thread the other day made me sad.
On the Atlus side of things, it's fine. With long-running franchises you have to accept they'll change hands at some point, and Kaneko had already made the intention of letting the newer staff handle things clear years before he left. I can make the decision myself on whether I enjoy what the new guys do with the series or not, whether it's worth it to 'continue being a fan' or let go. It's fine, it's fine.
But on the other hand, for Kaneko to have left and spend the twilight years of his working life... on some fucking mobile trash with AI bullshit where the only real selling point is just riding on the fame of his art? What the fuck happened?

thats because it limits your demon fodder and you really have to know what you want and how to fuse. thus making the game harder.

This, they’re turn based RPGs with no depth beyond putting the square peg in the square hole (hitting weaknesses), using buffs/debuffs to cheese enemy AI, and avoiding bad RNG.
Even something like Nocturne Hardtype is just applied basic knowledge and grinding

VV is easy when i use the interactive map to find out were the 330 minman are

VV is easy when i farm with AOE abilities cause no random battles

Top SMT experience, unique, timeless.

The only way to make the game hard is self imposed challenges which is.... gay.

Just pay the fox for the miman, why would you even waste your time trying to find them manually?

But on the other hand, for Kaneko to have left and spend the twilight years of his working life... on some fucking mobile trash with AI bullshit where the only real selling point is just riding on the fame of his art? What the fuck happened?

Oh shit, I saw that game a few weeks ago but my brain had blocked the memory. What a sad way to go indeed.

no random battles

They're never coming back, the zoomers won. dungeon crawling is dead

i agree sister why play the game

didn't know the fox wasn't part of the game my bad

you dont even know what is being said, youre such a nigger.
go play e33, that faggot game written by woman and faggots might be more up your faggot alley, faggot.

30 minutes into Amala dungeon

random battle!

sneak attack from behind, 4 crits then 4 more attacks

lose 30 minutes of progress

Fuck random battles and having random battles every 5 steps

cringe bro cringe

>sneak attack from behind, 4 crits then 4 more attacks

>lose 30 minutes of progress

absolute peak nocturne k*no...

mandem said woman and faggots while defending VV

lmao

smtvv is based as fuck, course a dumb nigger like you will fail to see it.

only niggers dislike VV

There's been an updated version of this joke for a while. Actually I don't know if it needs another update after VV. Throw Yoko or Namaah's ass in there maybe?

feels like all my favorite schizos are here

IV thread

find in page VV 1/18

rent free

based

playing as a tranny/femboy

yeah…

jak face ruins it, not saving and not reposting

sometimes less is more. I prefer the other one

How else to make Abdiel seethe?

oohhhhhhhh my SCIENCE i love 1580591 quests and useless objectives and open

OMFGBELZEBU is that..........NO ITS IMPOSSIBLE it's le fucking easiest game since II? Ah im fuckign CUMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING

and the MC is a woman just like btw but i'm not sure if it's relevant to the gameplay

detox your brain and put actual effort into your shitposts instead of relying on modern ragefaces for everything

what a hee-ho retard

okay retard

I didn't make it I saved it 3 years ago.

What an awful thread, everyone here should be ashamed

SMT 4A brought A LOT of welcome improvements over 4 but holy shit did they fuck over the story and characters.

Asahi alone makes that shit feels like a spin-off Persona game

even worse, shit feels like Pokemon

woah Nanashi! You made a pack with a Jack Frost?! So cool!!

shit sucked but at least they put a teenager cumming on screen so that's cool I guess

Why do their sleeves go past their wrists to halfway on the palm and are white? Why do their pants reach halfway to the shin and their mummy wrapping belt socks are also that exact same color? Every inch of surface area not protected by that ugly ass coat is quickly going to catch dust and turn a filthy grey color, a dirty imiter une tanline. This artist is a retard.

If you read Kaneko's original proposal you can see how ridiculous the scope of the narrative he made was

Source?

Demifiend and Satan are really hard(on hard). I don't know how to beat them without strategize cheese or an excessive stat grind. I want to fuck the protagonist btw

rule of cool, go be a faggot somewhere else

muh clothes are getting dirt! ugh why has the apocalypse to be so dirty? I wanna go home and suck on some luxor little cock...

faggot

I liked it

Your pic describes why people have JRPG fatigue.

Better than I,II and VV. so who cares

This is every fucking Megaten game across the board but especially any that has press turn. The difficulty is basically that you don't have the catalog of moves to deal with every potential threat so getting a demon up to spec to deal with specific problems is the main challenge for the first few hours.

Once you have a whole catalog of demons to summon and a bunch of generalists and specialists in your pocket, the games' difficulty mostly comes from being able to sustain endurance slugfests of buffing/debuffing/healing with superbosses.

With SMT4 it's just more noticeable because of the way damage is handled that it makes every fight like the turn-based equivalent of Quake deathmatch.

I don't really hate it, but playing it immediately after SMT IV makes the tone shift REALLY apparent.
It's like a different writer took over.

Awful thread. You all should kill yourselves immediately.

yeah, between that and all the reused areas it's really not a good idea to play 4A right after 4.
That dude who just got a 3DS should play Souls Hackers or Devil Summoner instead.

not yet. gotta play that Raidou game coming out in june.

Don't be mean

mind posting some hee-hos please? my mom deleted my hee-ho folder

For some reason there seems to be an anon that deleted their frost folder in every one of these threads....

you are imagining things

deadsite luhmeowmeow

their frost folder

frost

I still don't get what the point of the alternative dimensions part was, the idea is solid but neither Jonathan nor Walter really adress it after it happens even though the whole point was to challenge their worldview.

SMT 4 was so FUCKING SOVLFUL

I miss him bros

IV was such a rip off of smt II lmao

Imagine how kino 4 would have been if it were made for the PS3/360 at the time.
It could have used an upgraded version of the same engine Nocturne and DDS used.

Would have been legendary.

yo. Heard you needed early game buffs.

No I'm not.

retard

Only a IV fag who's first game is IV is in denial about this.

Cool opinion, mind showing me which youtuber you got it from?

it was actually a ripoff of smt 1. nukes and all

The game was famously rushed out and didn't get balanced. Not in a hyperbolic way, it literally wasn't balanced. You'll notice if you look at the fusion menu all the demons actually use like 8 place holder stat pools instead of unique stats for every demon like most game. It's the same thing, they just shipped it out in a functional state.

Mikado vs real Tokyo along with the demon meat thing, Lucifer vs YHVH, and Masakado wank is all SMTII. There is much more of II than I. In fact the game has a lot of references to previous games that are purely fan service.

retard

all these retards critical of 4A's writing

It has THE best moment in the entire series.

the demons were well written, it's only the humans who act like they got pulled out of a different story and willfully ignore all the exposition in the game
it's a shame because they had some good ideas with reincarnated Akira(protag) trying to save his sister(Asahi) from fated death

I will be critical of IVA because it was bad than and it is still bad now. I will be forever annoyed at the retards that claim VV has bad writing as well. No one has taste anymore.

The edgy answers are cool sure, but implying there's no problem with the writing in SMTIVA is disingenuous to say the least.
The game tries to build off of SMT IV's more serious story with lightheartedness and persona-tier companions. Not super bad on its own sure but when you compare it to the game it's following up on, it becomes extremely noticeable.

Opinions are not facts.

Here's that SMT game I was telling you about

They're about equal when it comes to being lighthearted.

You literally brought up your own opinion as an argument against the people disparaging the writing you stupid mongrel

Persona 3 best persona
SMT 3 best SMT
sorry that's just how it is.

Kino
I love Persona's beach scenes

SMT IVa has way more lighthearted moments solely since Asahi and Navarre are constantly around you.

Navarre is a goofball in both games.

Navarre is a miniscule part of IV. He is present at start of the game during the early Naraku stages and then fucks off for the other 99% of the game. He's then present at the tail-end of the game IF you choose to do an optional sidequest that involves him.
Navarre in IVa on the other hand joins you very early on and stays with you all the way up to end-game, even late end-game if you chose to go the 'Bonds' route.

The lightheartedness of the games is worlds apart. Have you even played the games?

dijehtranslations.wordpress.com/2018/11/03/smt-iv-draft-scenario/

TL;DR: Mikado was suppose like the entire half of the story, Flynn would die somehow, and then he would be reincarnatted in Tokyo where the second half would take place. They basically cut Mikado from the story after the first few hours and tried to just tell a watered down version of the Tokyo narrative.

Flynn would die somehow, and then he would be reincarnatted in Tokyo where the second half would take place

so....IVA

*first half

no?

Take a hsower.

All SMTs have lighthearted moments... i don't remember any from Nocturne but it probably has them too.

Nocturne has an entire joke side quest relating to Mara.

Every smt is a joke when you know how to exploit the options it gives you

i have a soft spot towards IV since it was my first SMT game, but yeah it's more or less a joke difficulty wise once you're past medusa
he also serves a different purpose in both games; IV navarre is openly hostile towards flynn and walter due to them coming from a lower class and even organizes a mob against them, showing off the rift between casualries and luxorors which eventually ties in nicely to isaachar's motivations. there are a few comedic moments involving him, but he's not really portrayed as a goofball in that game

yeah I always heard about how difficult these games are and played this one as my first SMT on hard. After Minotaur and Medusa the game is a joke the hardest part is not knowing where to go. Mastema and Beelzebub were hard but optional. SMT 1 and 3 were the same.

We're not arguing whether or not the games have lighthearted moments you moron.
You said IV and IVa were 'about equal' when it came to lightheartedness.
I replied saying they weren't because Asahi and Navarre are a big part of it.

Anyway, you're arguments were enough to convince me that you're too retarded to discuss this topic, so I'll just give up and I'll admit you're actually right.

I feel like a crazy person every time I talk about how I dislike SMT4. After playing all the numbered titles it's still my least favorite, smirk and no defensive stat makes the entire game a weird snowball-y mess that is first completely skewed against you until you scale to the point where the game becomes a joke. doesn't help that lots of the new demon designs and art are some of the worst of the franchise

NTA but i agree with him you are being incredibly disingenuous and ironic for no reason. It's actually off-putting, have a nice life dude.

SMT4's style was so linked to the 3ds's limits.
Nocturne had 185 demons and SMT 4 had 426.
Some limits allow other things to improve.

you are being incredibly disingenuous and ironic

how so?

in other words, 2d master race

this except the 5 re-releases

Yeah, so many more demons. Amazing. Fusing more often and never really making the best use of them and demons becoming skill sheets and leaving no impression or lasting memory.
SMT4 is the poster child for quantity over quality.

play soul hackers 1 or Strange Journey if you want something more like mainline SMT, both being first person dungeon crawlers. Devil Survivor 1 and 2 are both SRPGs and are fun in their own right, but are pretty big departures gameplaywise from regular SMT.

How can you look at that reply chain and think he's being 'ironic'?
Do you know what those words even mean

You are right about those points, SMT4 feels a bit half-baked and sloppy. Story feels like it loses severe focus around the time of Ichigaya Namek. Most people started with SMT4 as their first mainline game and hold it in high regards for that alone.

If you've ever read through the development it was basically hell since half of the game's team was new to Atlus, most having to kind of prior interest or understanding of the series. I think they really believed that persona was big enough of a cashcow that mainline could coexist alongside it but barely anyone imvolved with it was even left at Atlus by the early 2010s.

Absolutely

That's the typical Persona and SMT curve desu. SMT 3 and Persona 3-5 are all the same way.

You're not alone. I like the setting a lot, but other than that, there's very few things in SMT4 I do enjoy. I'm big on doing NG+ runs in jrpgs but in smt4 I just completed the game once and that was it.

SMT3 is very explicitly nothing like the other SMTs and only 5 is similar to it in a handful of ways, and made its opposite to retroactively turn 3+5 into a duology.

Dagda is literally the only good character in SMT IV Apocalypse.
What the fuck were they thinking

4 oozes soul.
Incredible OST that loves on 4ever and Flynn is pretty cool, too.

What build do I give Satan in SMT5? His unique attack is fucking dogshit.

Yawn.
The difficulty curve of it being hard at the start and then fairly easy in the back half due to more options and your build being strong is undeniably true though, retard. Which is what I'm talking about. I don't care if you fanboy over it or hate it.

That's most SMT games. The hardest part is always the early game where you don't have many resources or abilities to fuse. Pretty much every game ends up that way.

Wow he really was supposed to be Samurai Jesus.

IV's writing was not good

slapdashed social commentary on class consciousness that's as thin and 2 dimensional as piss and also develops nothing and goes nowhere because Walter is a retard that gets tumored

get roped into random shit that begins and ends in a snap of the finger, its resolutions almost always inconsequential and muddy the main story until it has no focus, until at the end the only thing you can recall was that it was a collection of filler. The exception is the infernal and blasted arcs. Comes with braindead commentary from peanut gallery "Omg the children are the soilent red pills. Guys this is so sad and bad." When these make up the majority of your interactions with the game's representatives of a given ideological standpoint, said points turn out very flimsy and poor.

Isabeau can't think so she meekly toddles toward any choice you pick until what you pick becomes obviously ethically abhorrent so she kills herself lmao

worst oc megami tensei in the entire series. yes I'm including Marie, because at least there was an intended thematic purpose with her, as poorly executed as it was. Can you say that about the goddess of tokyo no

do aaaaaall the fucking sidequests and we will let youuuu run around and put everyone's hope in the cup and we can save tokyo and mikado this is the true ending

Jesus is a samurai Satan is a jew

Jesus was a jew

IV was kinda shitty. They recycled a ton of demon icons from previous games for instance, really kills the impact of a boss when… it’s the same from the last fucking demon summoners game, what the fuck. As you said, easier than usual too but that’s not a big problem, where was the classic RPG grind though I need random drop equips with special elements dammit

The real message of SMT 4 is that law and chaos are both gay so just find a cute shorty and blast her with your megidolaon load.

I agree. Thankfully Dagda was there to unfuck the situation in IV:A.
Unfortunately Asahi and everyone else was there to make the situation gayer at times

legitimately cool design

everything else sucked afterwards especially ayyyyyyyyyy lucifer

man... they blew their load so early

Her presence is worth it solely for her family's death.

Literally just Shin Megami Tensei 2.

SMT6 we'll finally get a 3D Minotaur
bet on it

Thats every Persona and SMT game

Guest artists were such a blight on SMT IV its insane

SMT 4 has plenty of good designs, people act like all of them are lucifer or something.

Out of like 30 guest designs only 3 of them were acceptable (in my eyes anyway)

Minotaur

Koga Saburo

Napaea

This entire debate is subjective but everything else besides that was bad.

I liked the archangels and most of the national defense divinities
the biggest problem was the style difference since they just dumped them in the game as is

Some of them were good though. The problem is that it was only some of them.