Is Starfield the most mid, boring, uninspired and mile-wide-inch-deep game of the generation...

Is Starfield the most mid, boring, uninspired and mile-wide-inch-deep game of the generation? Or does it span out to "of all time"?

thanks i'll try it out

Good morning saars

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Tell me how Elden Ring isn't even more mid? More boring? More shallow..?

If I had a week I couldn't explain all the ways Elden Ring is a better realized game concept than Star Field.

ER was unironically the game that came to my mind first when entering this thread.

will obshitian fags ever stop seething about bethesda?

It was played and sold more than BG3 if you discount all the Tencent Chinese botting of BG3.

obsidian unprompted

BG3 unprompted

What causes this?

Elden Ring, Bg3, capcom games, rockstar games

they're all the same kind of slop garbage

Same. Probably only beaten by Baldur's Shit 3.

The opposite could apparently be said about Bethesda fans judging from your post

Bethesda fans have a inferiority complex. They feel the need to randomly bring up games that have mogged their games in the past even when it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand

obsidiots are easily identifiable because they repeat themselves a lot like this here

He thinks starting a sentence with a lower case makes him look like he's not samefagging

lmao

you know exactly who made this thread and why, faggot. go play avowed or something.

It's not obisidiots, it's literally just contaritranny newfags who are trying to fit in with the perceived "old good, new bad" culture that ahs been going on on Anon Babble since maybe even before 2013.

For example when Oblivion came out and was leagues better than Morrowind, while they were a very small minority of people, they were ABSOLUTELY SEETHING at the pretty much universal praise Oblivion was getting by the general public, and even core gamer userbase throughout the internet, same thing happened with Fallout 3, and of course with Skyrim at an even grander level.

So as a result of Bethesda making basically as close to a masterpiece as any studio could make, basically 3 times in a row, they were viewed as a perceived villain for being objectively good and making objectively good games nobody sane disliked, so anytime they slipped up at all (Fallout 4 being slightly worse than Skyrim but having a lot more content for example), or Fallout 76 (even though it was made by a completely different studio in Texas) or Starfield (Even though Todd is a known micromanager and now he has to micromanage an upscaled Bethesda team that had forced Indian/trannies filling it to the brim) these are all views as "LE EPIC WINS" against a perceived bogeyman, especially considering their past was basically spotless.

And yet it won more awards and utterly destroy Todd Howard at the gaming awards.

who cares a million flies attracted to shit doesn't make it good

Now you finally stop caring what others think? Rare for the typical bethesdrone when you guys cry out all the time about how their games are great because of their number sales and player counts on steam

I forgot this game released. I haven't heard anyone speak about it for months. Not even negatively.

Bit odd you'd think the guy who is saying bethesda fans have an inferiority complex and the ones saying obsidion is bad are samefagging.

Why would anyone take the game awards seriously when it was already proven that Sony paid for GOTY last year? If Tencent Botted BG3 to success you really think they couldn't pay for GOTY too? Clown.

You're not here very often then. There is a thread every other time I'm here.

Oblivion came out and was leagues better than Morrowind

What did anon mean by this?

Oh I remember this guy. Ignore this anon. He's a huge retard if you haven't clearly noticed. He thinks everyone who disagrees with him is an "Obsidian fan" despite them only ever making 1 and 1/2 good games (New Vegas & Alpha Protocol). The rest of their games aren't really great.

There's an entire pocket dimension full of incredibly formulaic JRPGs that are, by any reasonable measure, more boring and uninspired than anything that Bethesda has ever produced, but nevertheless have a dedicated fanbase of people who just really love the combination of turn-based combat and anime titties.

The last thing I heard about this game was that Microsoft was going to release it on PS5 this year.

Ah yes, the one game Tencent decided to flood the airwaves with was the one game they had with no cashshop or microtransactions.

I don't think there could be any gaming award show on Earth (sony or tencent not) that wouldn't have BG 3 mogging Starfield.

bro you are so cool

Yeah it was, easily, in fact the only time Morrowind will ever be better than Oblivion is probably with Skywind because it fundamentally will have better gameplay, handcrafted dungeons that aren't shallower than a puddle even compared to Oblivions, actual good combat (most important thing), and most beautifully of all the entire library of Skyrim mods to customize the game to be whatever you want unlike all of Morrowinds slop mods, that even the ones that add content, will never ever fix the fundamental issue which is trash gameplay and movement.

I still have yet to see anyone posting BG3 gameplay.

Spotted the graphic faggot zoomer

I've been found out I'd better pretend I don't love obsidian

but I can't shit talk nu vegas!

It's probably is considering the hype. I think Diablo 4 comes close but there were many expecting it to be trash (they were right).

Like in this thread or on the board? Wut? Why would that matter? Explain yourself retard

Seek help man this obsession isn't healthy

I literally only talked about gameplay you retarded nigger faggot, are morrowtroons as blind to good gameplay as niggers are deaf to the fire alarm chirp?

you're the one claiming to recognize an anonymous poster, schizo

we need more long repetitive linear corridor dungeons

I agree Morrowind's dungeons aren't great except for a few but going for Skyrim's style is a mistake. They honestly should aim for more like Daggerfall except not as massive or as bloated

On this board, ever since the initial BG3 shill operation (even though it's long since been stopped and the only shills who remain are people who got brainwashed by the chinese) posting or talking about gameplay was LITERALLY almost never brought up at all. I wonder why that is? It's almost like pretty much almost nobody played the game and those who did were tricked into, played it for a few hours, prob said something like "haha this game isn't for me but I can tell it's good, i'm going to keep supporting a developer like this!" and then moved on the CLOWN that they are falling for an entire chinese shill operation.

The shit Morrowind dungeons are just one issue, but not the core one. Believe me I have even heavily modded morrowind and even played it Ironman to try and gaslight myself into liking it.

The fact that even on OpenMW there are no good mods to fundamentally fix the shit combat is insane to me. Like nobody has even ported over something as mediocre as vanilla Oblivion's combat on an open source port? Like holy fuck....

You seem to care a lot about a "mid" game that came out nearly 2 years ago. If I thought a game was mid and boring, I'd have forgotten about it within the week and played something else. Surely you can do more than constantly be upset about years old games you didn't like, right?

morrowind gameplay bad

Ah sorry anon you might want to try CoD, this is a discussion about RPG's.

Is Starfield the most mid, boring, uninspired and mile-wide-inch-deep game of the generation?

no

Or does it span out to "of all time"?

also no

or talking about gameplay was LITERALLY almost never brought up at all

What's there to talk about, the gameplay is just D&D 5e but vidya.

The fact that even on OpenMW there are no good mods to fundamentally fix the shit combat is insane to me.

Well the people who mod it actually understand the mechanics and are usually rpg fans this have no issue with the combat.

Ah does CoD have the amount of content or exploration that even fucking Starfield has? If Fallout 4 or Starfield had gameplay like MW2019 it would be pretty fucking cool true, but it's about the whole package, and guess what combat is the core of gameplay so it matters the most, and if it's not even somewhat bearable (Oblivion is the bearable cut), then the game is worthless no matter what content the game has.
It's more like most people who mod any game are are autist tranny meat prompts who have no good ideas and will be replaced by AI in 3 years.

You'd be surprised how many people think games like Fallout and Starfield need to be like Call of Duty, Doom Eternal and Battlefield for them to be considered "good".

combat is the core of gameplay

morrowind

Huh?

every studio does some things much better than bethesda and those strong suits enable them to produce a coherent games that feel worthwhile and innovative

bethesda meanwhile focuses on wrong things, like having trash items that are stored in your save files and lagging behind on key content features like combat, writing, immersion, characters, technical competency even

starfield could be a result of reluctance to hire new people, or just general issues like economy being such that all good employees rather land at tech firms instead of gaming firms and only studios that have branches outside usa will do competent products

Yes actually, and that goes for 99% of all games with win/loss scenarios for that matter. Why do you think Morrowind is shit on the most by normal non-contrarians who aren't "old = good" retards who will pretend dialogue options are a substitute for good gameplay?

win/loss scenarios

morrowind

Huh?

Yes? Morrowind's loss scenario is death just like in most games. How do you think you typically die in Morrowind?

Maybe for you. I like Starfield.

if you point out that BG3 is slop you're trying to get attention

Have you played the game?

It wasn't a difficult concept to grasp.
Outside of the main quest Oblivion did everything better than Morrowind.
It was a huge leap forward the same way Morrowind was a huge leap forward from Daggerfall.

The problem with bethesda is that they keep morphing their games into fps while still using the fucking gamebryo engine that just wasn't suited for that role. With the exception of FNV where obsidian did their best to do honest to god rpg, reintroducing morrowind-like rolls and etc to combat mechanics, and it was an instant classic.

Starfaild is the most soulless game ever produced by the game industry. It's built on a bug-filled, severely limited, and archaic game engine which requires that the world is constructed in interior and exterior cells. Cells need to be loaded and unloaded, ie - all of those loading screens everywhere for everything, which is why Starfaild is really just a loading screen simulator. Combat is childishly simplistic, with mechanics that are not any more complex than Minecraft combat. There are no interesting or useful companions. There are no bosses. There are no builds. There are no epic weapons or armor. There is no sense of travel as all travel is done via fast travel (ie - click on a location, loading screen, magically appear at location). Every big modder abandoned Starfaild within the first two months of its release citing extreme boredom and a fundamentally broken framework that cannot be fixed with mods.

tl;dr - Starfaild is a genuinely bad game in all directions.

starfield was probably one of the most polished AAA games released in the last 7 years

easily in the top 3

Unfortunately they won't be able to fix the games underlying issues since those are built into the games design. And now that modders are abandoning it the longevity of the game is fucked compared to Morrowind and Skyrim.

Starfield is pure NASApunk exploration kino. Low IQ retards got filtered.

The diversity of the team really shows up in the writing. Every conversation has been run through enough committees to insure they are as bland and uninteresting as possible.

i like it, but 'mid' is a pretty apt way to describe it. they made exploration the focus of the game, then forgot to make the exploration fun

That's really the big thing about it. It just feels so corporate. Neon is a good example, they set up this seedy cyberpunk styled city and it's just fucking bland. Especially coming off of Cyberpunk 2077 which didn't shy away from showing the dark parts of humanity.

You're saying this doesn't look like an establishment of sin and pleasure?

they made exploration the focus of the game, then forgot to make the exploration fun

It's very amazing because the exploration in their games is built on those handcrafted worlds, and then they just got rid of that with the excuse that 99% of the game is empty because it's realistic.

Really the writing was on the wall with Fallout 4 which does a good job of sanitizing the Fallout setting. My favorite will aways be Cait's backstory of getting sold by her parents into sex slavery, but specifically making sure to mention she was 18 when they did that because they have standards.

And then they will find something else to call the big root issue. It literally does not and will not matter to anyone but the Starfield community what Bethesda does with Starfield since it will always been either bad or not enough. Even a PS5 port, while it'll help, won't do much of anything for public, general sentiment for Starfield. It's why there are two avenues they can take after they release the Starborn DLC and everything they are working on for this upcoming update (or maybe they'll start with this update). Either give up trying to appeal to these people who will always hate Starfield no matter what they do (where some may just take it as an opportunity to shit on Starfield for views and clicks) or continue the updates but nearly all of them being "for the fans" updates.

how is x better than literal *.io quality combat

gee I dunno

weapon arts in souls games are cool?

no I only played dark souls 2 and thought it was shit game, still better combat than any beth game, which I've played for hundreds of hours. Shit I even put significantly more time in shitfest that is F4 than in ds2

Okay but have you considered the fact that Starfield was a passion project, made by a wonderfully diverse group of individuals who put their heart and soul into it?

the woman on the left

kek

pros

ship to ship boarding is great

dialogue system is great

ship builder is ambitious, if a little half baked

dogfighting is smooth and satisfying (if a little simplistic)

space stations and smaller outposts like Gagarin and Hopetown and 1-Of-A-Kind Salvage are cool and fun to explore

zero G situations are great

terrormorphs kick ass

best looking bethesda game to date

least buggy/most stable bethesda game to date

best gunplay and movement in a bethesda game to date

best cities in a bethesda game to date

cons

writing generally ranges from dull to terrible

dialogue is almost all bad, cringy quips everywhere

procedural generation is lazily implemented

like five generic outpost layouts that constantly repeat

identical corpse and loot locations that constantly repeat

typical bad bethesda voice acting

weapon tiers

lack of spacesuit variety

guns feel same-y

i could list more in both categories, but for every cool thing in the game it seems like there is a dumb decision to offset it.

You're right but there's no winning with people like them, you're wasting time and energy.

People always meme the night club, but it was a highlight of the game. It was very on-point, like a 50s satire of the future.
Yes, the game is mediocre. Yes, it's VERY out of place compared to the rest of the game. But goddamn if it didn't make me chuckle when I entered for the first time. They fucking nailed it.
The amount of npcs in there is ok as well, not every club is a rave.

nah, it was kino. still playing to this day. can't say the same about bg3 or even e33.

genuine question, how does starfield compare to something like that space rpg about corporations with colorful planets. It was an alright game in my opinion, I almost even finished it.

Why are Bethesda shills like this? They reek of insecurity

Elden Ring, Bg3, capcom games, rockstar games

they're all the same kind of slop garbage

play without a companion except for my nigga rosco

go to the nightclub

save game and open fire on the public for lols

mowing down crowds of innocents as they flee in terror

stop shooting and survey the carnage

bodies everywhere

hear a minigun behind me

turn around to see rosco unloading on several downed NPCs that are crawling along the floor

they go down screaming in a hail of gunfire

mfw

and that's why Rosco is my nigga

It's been 2 years and there's still trannies like you asshurt about it so it must have done something right.

Both are pretty mid.

those are horrible things to exclude from the base game

Starfield is by far the best space exploration game out there right now compared to stuff like elite dangerous, no mans sky, star citizen and etc because I get to actually walk around and explore planets and talk to people instead of being isolate and alone compared to those other games.
Either way, I dont pretend that scifi filters people so I'll just be happy I got the game I wanted and I get to mod it and buy whatever DLC they're making to make my playthrough even more fun.

outer worlds? i beat that one too, it was serviceable but not great and i think starfield shits all over it. if the writing in starfield is too dull, the writing in outer worlds is too cutesy. the game has one message ("big corporation bad") and it beats you over the head with every variation of it. i'd pick starfield over outer worlds every time.

starfield has a unique quality of being really big game that millions of people played through thats fundamentally flawed

its like the primary example of what not to do in modern game development

There are two kinds of gamers in the world.
The ones who realize Elden Ring was slop and Starfield was the beginning of a come back for Bethesda
And retards

Starfield is up there with Expedition 33 as the most soulful games i've played in the past 5 years. I support developers that take risks and do something new no matter what instead of making slop.

Starfield was the beginning of a come back for Bethesda

i agree, i think it bodes well for fallout and elder scrolls. i think people's complaints about starfield boil down to not liking the setting. extrapolating what the next Fo/ES games will look like based on starfield actually has me very excited for both series

Starfield improved in a ton of things people complained about with previous bethesda games like a focus on role playing, more unique perks, some of the best dungeon designs seen in their games and more. However due to the width of the setting and how they implemented the POI system, it turned many people off who were expecting more of the same skyrim/fallout style open maps. However everything else is top notch and I doubt they'll repeat the same mistakes since there's no reason to make their next games as large.

I like starfield, but pls stop baiting lol

I actually tried to play elden ring the other day but I couldn't get past the horrible AI start menu music

what are they gonna discuss? starfield characters? quests? world? the legendary and iconic bethesda characters in their other games?