Expedition 33

I don't disagree with anything other anons said though? I am only calling out versofags who refuse to admit they murdered living breathing world with real people in it for their own goals.

Imagine you were involved in a terrible accident that left you in a coma. Not only physically but also mentally scarred.
I have the power to wake you up so you can keep living your REAL life, learn to cope with the new circumstances, and let you grow out of it stronger and better.
But I (you), because I'm a stupid fucking idiot, think to myself "Hmmm you know what? what if while he's in a coma he's having really nice dreams? I'm not gonna wake him up, I'm gonna let him stay in a coma forever, coma that is literally killing him btw"

This is you. This isn't someone you want to watch over you, this isn't a friend, this is a fucking irresponsible idiot. The "people" she wants to stay with aren't real. They aren't human. they don't exist, it's the ultimate escapism to avoid facing reality. Facing reality is always better than killing yourself by trying to avoid it.

Grow up

The "people" she wants to stay with aren't real.

The catch is that we don't really know one way or the other.

Imagine a completely different unrelated scenario which conveniently sounds like it makes me right

Idiot.

It's not painted Verso's fault.
It's Aline's for painting people in the canvas, especially the one's that are copies of real world people.
Painting humans should be off limits, she deserves the guillotine for that.

The "people" she wants to stay with aren't real

Called it LMAO

but that's not entirely for his own goals? Yes he wants oblivion because he hates what he is, but he is also selfless about it, because he knows a real living breathing family is falling apart and killing themselves little by little. His ending is heroic as fuck.

What she's thinking in that moment

so what if they are humans made of flesh and bone

Huh?

The only people that pretend to have moral high ground are Maellefags. Yet they're all mentally ill hypocrites and wouldn't hesitate to genocide a group of people they don't like.

Verso is such a colossal lying manipulative cunt that his own father's interpretation of his essence is masked axon Visages.
In Maelle's ending he spends his last shred of free will to beg Alicia to unpaint him. Not to beg her to leave Canvas.
Verso did it ONLY for himself.

obviously dumb, they are literally inside a painting and they don't exist in the real world. they aren't real people. it's not complicated

yes I am okay with genocide, but people who aren't? actually it's THEM who are pro genocide, you see

This is beyond olimpic level mental gemnastics. There are no words how one must twist common sense and logic to so confidently call white black

This is what people who struggle to answer the hypothetical breakfast question sound like.

uuhhh but they are inside Canvas? so obviously they are not real? I don't understand

You're mad and you can't even deny my position, you would kill a bunch of people from the real world if it was for your hecking painterino people. I swear every time you argue with Maellefag it's like arguing with a retarded leftist.

There's nothing wrong with prioritizing your loved ones over other people, even if you believe that all people are equal.
Hell, I'd sacrifice your life to save my dog.

You're mad and you can't even deny my position

I just denied it you retard.

you would kill a bunch of people from the real world i

No I wouldn't. What is this insane dellusional fanfiction? You just claim shit about me you invented. You know, it can go both ways.
You would kill a bunch of people from the real world if it was for your hecking computer people.

I swear every time you argue with Maellefag it's like arguing with a retarded leftist.

Oh you actually are fucking insane, fuck off shizo.

My beloved sister. I'm sorry, I must allow you to die because saving you would require me to sacrifice a village of talking sticks that are pretty much just dogs. That I created.

i mean he knew she had won and wouldn't be able to convince her to leave the canvas, so what was he supposed to beg for except being erased?

if it was for your hecking computer people

That's literally you though. You show it by by going crazy over painted people in the game lol. You're so disconnected from reality that you can't even see it.

yeah don't care Toby Fox still doing the genocide ending

What you guys gotta understand by having discussions about the 2 endings is that you are in 4chin, with people that live and breath escapism. So obviously here you are gonna have turbo escapists. Half of the maelle fags think their VR waifu is real and would kill you to keep files intact in their hard drive

You are writing fanfiction about me again, you goddamn schizoid. All I am advocating for is versofags should recognise the weight and the truth of their choice. Something they are incapable of doing judging by this thread

proves me right

a village of talking sticks that are pretty much just dogs. That I created.

Gestrals are no different than the humans in the painting.
Not to put down the gestrals, humans in that world are just more intelligent fighting sticks.

Well why did he beg about anything in the first place if it was so hopeless? It just that this moment shows his true character that's all

I have a more of a life and sane mind than you retard. Maellefags will keep lying that their ending is the only good and right choice because it's morally right, when it's all about escapism. Stay mad.

the weight and the truth of their choice.

The gestrals largely don't mind the whole death thing.
Every single painted human except for Sciel, Lune and Verso is already dead.
Their creator is already tired of it all and wants it to end.
Either they die or they spend the remainder of their life under Alicia until renoir burns the fucking painting for real this time.

Because he knew she would never leave the canvas as long as he was there and would basically force him to keep existing for her own amusement/grieving.
And he was absolutely right because she's just another Aline.
Just because you can't interpret extremely basic writing doesn't mean it's not right in your face.

But true actual Maellefags chose Verso's ending. The ending in which she is alone, undesirable, without any man she has connection to, except for her dad. Ripe for the picking in their fantasy.

maelle a cute

The gestrals largely don't mind the whole death thing.

That's because they can reincarnate.

Every single painted human except for Sciel, Lune and Verso is already dead.

Their chroma is still around and fresh and they can be returned back as they were.
Also you forgot about grandis.

Their creator is already tired of it all and wants it to end.

Their creator is dead. It's just a tiny piece of his soul. And despite being tired he still believes his creations have souls.

Either they die or they spend the remainder of their life under Alicia until renoir burns the fucking painting for real this time.

Decades may pass in Cavas years until that happens. If you are going to die decades in the future it doesn't mean you should end it all now, does it?

more unrelated fanfiction

Yawn

That's because they can reincarnate.

And they don't care anyway.

Their chroma is still around and fresh and they can be returned back as they were.

Most of the actual chroma has been gommage'd for years. It's not fresh if the expeditioner chroma isn't either.

And despite being tired he still believes his creations have souls.

And he still wants to end it all.

you are going to die decades in the future it doesn't mean you should end it all now, does it?

So why doesn't Alicia tell them? It shouldn't matter knowing that as long she's in the painting her dad will come back to murder them all right? They really won't care right?

t-they are not real

Missing the point award.

Either they die or they spend the remainder of their life under Alicia until renoir burns the fucking painting for real this time.

You forgot the part where Alicia inevitably goes crazy and becomes another Aline. That's why it's merciful to destroy the canvas ASAP

Imaging hating real life Monoco and Noco puppies so much that you prefer to stay with their OCs in fantasy land.

I agree they are real.
They also died.
So that's it for them, people's lives shouldn't be toyed with by gods, that includes bringing them back to life.

Because he knew she would never leave the canvas as long as he was there and would basically force him to keep existing for her own amusement/grieving.

Do you even read what you type? You are contradicting yourself. He doesn't ask her to leave Canvas because he know she would never leave. Yet he asks her to unpain him because... he know she would force him to keep existing? You are making no sense.

Just because you can't interpret extremely basic writing

How fucking ironic to read this from someone who actually struggles to comprehend an incredibly simple character moment and can't even string a sentence together to prove his interpretation without tripping over his own argumentation.

Everything he wrote made sense though, dunno why you're being dishonest and try to gaslight everyone that has a different opinion.

Stop fighting for vidya characters, anon. None of them are real.

brother gave his life to save her

"Should I honor his memory by living a life he'd proud of?"

"nah, I'll kill myself to live in a fantasy world"

enslaves a copy of him that has his memories and personality so they can play house together

forces the last vestige of his soul to keep painting to maintain the fantasy world

I didn't pick Verso's ending because I agreed with him 100%.
I picked it because Alicia is a selfish cunt like her mother and she destroyed Maelle's character.

What's 'life', what's 'death', what's 'being real'? Contemplate the physological process of death. You become unconscious and your heart stops beating, yet the engine of your mind, your brain, stays functional and you may enter a dream state.
Within your dreams, time itself becomes a tool of your mind -- you can spend days, weeks, months, years, centuries and millenia in a dream, while in what you believe to be the "real world" a fraction of that time passes. Now, when parts of your brain start to die off as a consequence of oxygen deprivation, the faculties of your mind dissolve and the dream with it.
It may intermittently turn into a nightmare, but ultimately becomes abstract and incomprehensible. If you narrated the change you're perceiving, you'd not just struggle to find words to describe it, you would gradually lose your ability to speak and think entirely. Eventually you'd become silent, oblivious to what is happening and to what you are, have been and will be -- you'd lose your cognition and then eventually your sentience.
Nothing stops this process from turning into a comvolution, from playing out over and over again within your dream-realities. Between your the "start of your death" to the "end of your death", you may live infinite lives.

If you had choose a dream, which one would you cling to? What's your personal metric, based on what would you choose the dream? Potential for or actuality of experience?

Alicia only cares about what Alicia thinks.
Alicia agrees.

And they don't care anyway.

They are childlike and can't grasp the concept of mortality. It doesn't follow that it's okay to murder children since they don't comprehend what death is.

Most of the actual chroma has been gommage'd for years

From previous generations, yes. Those who were gommaged a day ago in the end of Act 2 are a different story.

And he still wants to end it all.

Maybe, but the demiurge doesn't take precedence over thousands of sentient beings in his world.

So why doesn't Alicia tell them?

Why should she? If you know the world is going to end on march 21, 2056 what good would it make?

and she destroyed Maelle's character.

Maelle was grieving in a more or less healthy way.
She took Gustave's sacrifice to heart and strived to make a better world.
Alicia then took over and basically saw it and said

MY PAIN MATTERS AND I WANT TO GRIEVE MORE

She pretends she's Maelle, but she's not.

It's telling how you didn't even attempt to explain how it makes sense though.
The statement says that Verso knows Maelle a) never going to leave b) never going to unpaint him
Therefore by his logic Verso shouldn't have asked for either. Yet he did ask for one of those things and that characterises him in a certain way. It's that simple.

fuck both girls

tell them they’re not real and then kill them and their entire world

What the fuck was Versos problem?

Sciel understood, that's why she's the superior bang.
Lune only fucked Verso to vent out her own frustrations with her family and then she died. She's a good warning against not living your life until it's too late.

Forgive her, she's been through a lot. Just defeat her and prevent her from destroying her family and subjecting an entire world to be her puppets. She will thank you later.
Verso's soul is not the demiurge, it's the supreme essence of the world. The demiurge is the painters. And they should not be trusted with taking care of an entire existence, as seen with Aline.

Paint people will never be real people.

Add.: The real tragedy is that people always opt for dichotomy and will never bother to contemplate a third option. Is it really necessary for either side to indupge the extreme? Can't Alicia learn moderation and can't Verso ask her to leave without LARPing as martyr or simply as for freedom and/or oblivion? Why can't the family visit the canvas together some time later?

It's all learned helplessness, fatalism and defeatism.

You are a simulation in some higher beings world. You are not real. Now what?

Can't Alicia learn moderation

No.

and can't Verso ask her to leave without LARPing as martyr

her dad already asked.
The issue is that both Aline and Alicia use the canvas as their own cope world and they refuse to move on from it.

I am real. That being said, I exist thanks to the creator, and I am not entitled to my existence. If my existence is a strain on the creator's well-being, they are objectively correct in erasing me.

Damn the poster above me is an actual cuck. Tragic.

never going to unpaint him

That wasn't written. You're so desperate to win this meaningless argument that you keep lying.

You have no argument. You lost.

Quote me next, fag. If there's nothing that will make you submit, including god himself, then you're just mentally a teenager.

He probably played too much jrpgs where the only option is to use chuuni powers and kill the god.

You do use chuuni powers and kill the god.
As verso at least, you just beat the shit out of Alicia.

Are you trolling me?

she would never leave the canvas as long as he was there and would basically force him to keep existing

Change "never going to unpaint him" to "would force him to keep existing" if you are that autismal for real. Those phrases are equivalent to each other.

meaningless argument

That bit of characterisation shows that painted verso is selfish as opposed to heroic selfless figure. If you don't care about the game and it's writing and think that it's meaningless then why are you even here? Go discuss something you care about.

I'm talking about this post lol

Are you all conveniently ignoring alicia is mute, disfigured, and missing an eye in the real world?
It's not like she wants to stay in the painting just to have fake friends and see his fake brother... She wants to have a functioning body

No.

That's contrived drama.

her dad already asked.

So, Verso (and friends) can ask again, unless Maelle turns them into meatpuppets.

The issue is that both Aline and Alicia use the canvas as their own cope world and they refuse to move on from it.

Are they completely and utterly incapable of change, forever and ever? Is Renoir really supppsed to be the only character capable of change (i.e.: giving up his daughter/trusting her)? That's again quite contrived.

They're just stealing the philosophical ideas thag FO4 already came up with with the synths

see

Are you supposed to just let your family member succumb to addiction because they're hypothetically capable of change?

That's contrived drama.

That's the main point of the game, all consuming grief.

So, Verso (and friends) can ask again, unless Maelle turns them into meatpuppets.

She'd just lie to their faces and repaint them if they asked.

Are they completely and utterly incapable of change, forever and ever?

Ask Aline, she spent over 100 years in the fucking painting and all she did was grow more deranged, didn't get over Verso's death a single inch.
If you could make a perfect world where the worst day of your life never happened, you'd do it and in return you'd never be able to move on from it.

Can't Alicia learn moderation and can't Verso ask her to leave without LARPing as martyr or simply as for freedom and/or oblivion?

Painters are children who toy with godlike powers.
Writers did nothing wrong.
Writers, as connoisseurs of superior and more intellectual art, probably recognise morality of their powers and work on saving countless lives by riding world of p**ters

She wants to have a functioning body

If that was the case, then she could have picked (or painted) any other canvas.

I never viewed Verso as heroic and I still prefer his ending, they're all selfish characters anyway. I enjoy the game mainly because of the gameplay, art and music. Story is ok, hate the stupid dichotomy discussion the endings caused because it brings dimwits pretending that to be morally superior.

It was understood, are you genuinely retarded? He knew she wouldn't unmake him just like he knew she wouldn't let him die. In his final moments he did not beg for her to leave the painting, he begged her to kill him. Because at the end of the day he was just suicidal and looking for an acceptable way to die. He is a massive hypocrite that banged on about Alicia being a bitch for gommaging his sister but then had the audacity to try dooming EVERYONE because he was sad and wanted to die. He deserved what he fucking got.

No, she wants a lifetime with her brother, everything else, including her own brother, be damned.
Her body is secondary and the people in lumiere a distant third to the guilt she feels towards her brother's death.

They're both retards though and you have to be mentally ill to get so heated about this.

She can make her own canvas where she can have a healthy body. She could even recreate a Lumiere of her own.
But she doesn't want that. She wants to pretend Verso is still alive and ease her guilt.

I never viewed Verso as heroic

Autist-sama... the conversation wasn't about you, it started with anon claiming that Verso was in fact selfless.

And they don't care anyway.

He explained why they don't care, they are able to reincarnate. They still treat death as tragic, Monoco was devastated at Noko's death. Even if they were fine with being unmade it remains genocide.

Most of the actual chroma has been gommage'd for years. It's not fresh if the expeditioner chroma isn't either.

It's fresh to the extent that everyone recently dead can be brought back to life. That is still a shitton of people.

And he still wants to end it all.

He only wants to because of the fighting. He says repeatedly throughout the game that he wants to continue painting.

So why doesn't Alicia tell them? It shouldn't matter knowing that as long she's in the painting her dad will come back to murder them all right? They really won't care right?

This is all an irrelevant aside, just because Renoir will likely return to try destroying everything again in the future doesn't mean Alicia should simply let it happen.

No shit, the entire discussion is about Verso stop moving the goalposts dipshit

You can't fault her for not just fucking off from the world she spent 16 years in as a native. Especially when it was just couple hours ago that he remembered there exist anything outside painted Lumiere.

He knew what had to be done

More like, he saw his opportunity to get what HE wanted with no regard for anyone else and went for it, making up some high horse excuse as he did.

for not just fucking off from the world she spent 16 years in as a native.

You can fault her for the fact she doesn't actually care about that.
It's just an excuse for the part where her brother's soul is there. You need to understand it's all Alicia after act 2, her memories of Maelle don't weigh as much as she leads you to believe and it shows at certain points.
Especially against renoir it's a whole fight just because she won't leave Verso's canvas because it's Verso's and no other reason is given from her.

You can for sure argue that he is because the other painted people also have multiple motivations

making up some high horse excuse as he did.

He never excuses himself

I did this because I love my mother and she needs to get out

is what drives him until the beat the paintress in act 2.
Then he actually agrees with Alicia until her Aline side comes to light right at the very end.

I hate bad analogies and they're fucking everywhere these days.

Have fun with arguing. I'm gonna go play a video game.

The Dessendres are a family of genocidal maniacs. You’re a complete fucking retard if you think any ending that benefits them in the slightest is good.

Kill all paintniggers by slow drawn-out torture. Write a bullet into their skulls.

The flashback to alicia waking up and talking to clea indicates renoir went in the night before, meaning time dilation is around 12 hours for the 51years in canvas time, maelle can live a life worth loving in lumiere and pop out a day later as alicia. Versofags choose wrong.

It's not Maelle anymore. Maelle processed her grief, honored Gustave's sacrifice and kept moving forward Alicia is the one that wants to ignore reality and pretend everything is fine. She needs to be kicked out of the canvas so she can finally heal.

TPD brother.

there's nothing out there for me

She will never ever leave that canvas on her own volition, choosing Verso's ending is saving her.

He never excuses himself

I’m doing this for you, Alicia, can’t you see? Me getting erased is just an happy accident :) sorry, your friends don’t matter either, I’ve decided this is the best course for everyone, especially me.

Are you supposed to just let your family member succumb to addiction because they're hypothetically capable of change?

Are you supposed to force help upon them and create circumstances in which they'll never be able to change -- only obey? You're only helping others, if they ask for it -- if they don't ask for it, then you're helping yourself. Hence why drug addicts have a much higher risk of relapse when they don't start the withdrawel out of their own volition.

Ask Aline, she spent over 100 years in the fucking painting and all she did was grow more deranged, didn't get over Verso's death a single inch.

If you could make a perfect world where the worst day of your life never happened, you'd do it and in return you'd never be able to move on from it.

Anon, the issue is that absolutely nothing stops Alicia and Aline to paint a new worlds to OD on -- the soul fragment of Verso has been quintessentially irrelevant for 99% of the set up, the 1% being more contrived drama at the end. Aline frankly doesn't care and would abuse it indefinitely, and Alicia primarly cares about "escaping her shell of a body".
I am pretty sure that, if there's a DLC, it'll feature writers and present more contrived drama.

They did the same thing in ffxiv with the endless and I bet you I know who they voted for in the last election too.

Aline frankly doesn't care and would abuse it indefinitely, and Alicia primarly cares about "escaping her shell of a body".

It's THE ONLY REASON they are obsessed with this certain canvas. They are coping so hard in it because Verso's soul is in it.
It actually gives proper context to their obsession.

if I ignore the actual writing and motivations of the character I'm right

Sure. Reminder he was behind Alicia's actions through act 3 until she decided to behave like a fucking junkie.
Everything he does, even his death in her ending, is so she moves on from his real death.

Enough with the faggotry
post best music

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Hence why drug addicts have a much higher risk of relapse when they don't start the withdrawel out of their own volition.

This is not an excuse to do nothing.

Writers were too obsessed with a tragic ending. So they forced one.

They made Renoir and Aline both at fault and then said 'okay, which shithead do you side with?' Only, the player doesn't want to side with either shithead. You just don't have a choice. Cut off your hands or your dick, faggot.

renoir commits the genocide, not the player. stop being so fucking stupid. it hurts to think i breathe the same air as you.

Only, the player doesn't want to side with either shithead.

But I did, I sided with renoir and verso because Alicia was being an idiot (expected since she's just a teenager).

Did I miss Verso/Alicia scenes? I only got the one where she hands him the letter.

youtube.com/watch?v=f1y_fUVMOHQ
Best and most french thing they could come up for an ending song. It hits just right.

to the tomorrows not written yet

Only, the player doesn't want to side with either

I wanted to side with both though?

finish the game

Both force the soul fragment to continue drawing against its (= Verso's) will. Alicia even threatens it when painted-Verso tries to reach out and stop it. Both know where it resides: Aline flees to that domain and Alicia tells painted-Verso that he's not supposed to be there.
If it was just a matter of grieve, both would spend their time with the soul fragment itself, no?

Renoir speaks a lot of sense. He's not faultless of course, looks like he didn't handle Verso's loss very well himself and didn't communicate with his wife to help their family heal, which resulted in her retreating into the canvas. Also I believe his claim that "you can just paint other canvases" is a cop-out. He fails to understand that the only reason they managed to paint many canvases without incident until that point is because their life has gone smoothly. Then the fire happened and they went crazy. But that's to be expected, as life never goes smoothly, in other words the events of the game were inevitable from the beginning.
The bottom line is that the power of paint is inherently wrong.

Words words words

Only who's wrong tries to justify itself so badly lmao

excuse

Good intentions don't automatically translate to good deeds or good outcomes.

I did. I also did the reacher and all the camp scenes before finishing it. I know Verso was super attached to her but it's hard for me as the player to feel anything since I didn't actually get to see any other scenes.

It is factual that whoever choose Maelle's ending is an immature zoomer

So, you wanted to destroy the painting because it was a reminder of grief while also wallowing in grief and escapism at the same time? Have you considered that makes no sense?

Renoir was also being a terrible parent and husband and not giving his family the emotional support it needed to not be destroyed. His idea of destroying the painting and making war on Aline was very obviously not the way to help someone with their grief. More trauma doesn't help trauma.

Exactly, which is why utilitarian attitudes "I should do nothing because statistically if they manage to change it will be better on their own" are a mistake. You simply assume that they will manage to change instead of lending them a hand.

Make the ending of your videogame be about how escapism is bad

It's a videogame. It's escapism.

Writing a book about how reading is stupid.

Hmmmmmmmm.

uhh so what if they are humans made of flesh and bone

Already wrong at the very beginning. They're made of paint.

Get Maelle's bond level up then go to that wooden tower area

You're right, Renoir should have just let his wife and daughter die and live alone with Clea.
Wait, thats retarded

Verso's soul was bound to that canvas. It was neccessary to destroy it to let him finally rest in peace, and only then they could move on.

I wish our god was a cute redhead

That's headcanon.

That wasn't said. You made up something to get mad at.

I'm more curious about the axon killed by Simon in old lumiere. Is it Clea's representation from the Atlassian burden on it's back represent the burden placed on Clea to run the family household since parents are fucking off, and does that mean she tasked Simon to kill it as an allegory that she doesnt Want the burden and prob wants to just go back to simpler days like singing with Francois?

im a puppet for she

who says she isn't? she just doesnt want to talk to a rando like you

liking books is the same as locking in your room 24/7 doing nothing else

MODERATION

Clea probably had Simon kill that Axon because she's a cunt and didn't like daddy's painting of her.

this is a hard concept to grasp after a decade of corporate propoganda but escapism =/= enjoying any piece of art/media at all. you play the game, you enjoy and think about the experience, then you move on to something else.

it's more like an indictment against the people who cosplay or write fanfics about a game they played when they were 12, people who make indie games that are just unofficial sequels and otherwise cant move on

what if they're real

can you prove it anon or are you just a faggot

verso = reddit
maelle = Anon Babble

It's explicitly said that what keeps the canvas's existence is last silver of Verso's soul painting it.

Her axion is older than the game, it's painted on Renoir's atelier.
It's his ironic way of saying she's carrying to much and that's why it's called the hauler and attacks by throwing her buildings.
And she killed it because she can't stand what her parents painted her as.

just go back to reality you fucking tranny

Yep, issa truke

So? That doesn't mean it has to be freed.

It was 'tired' because of all the bullshit Aline was putting it through. There's no reason to believe it couldn't just be left be and 'had to be set free'.

game2deep4me. Neurons=Nevrons, Chroma=Soma, Axons, renoirs gold tree looking like neurons and dendrites.

It was all a simulation

And then they all died and nothing matters

I did that you fuckwad Maelle erased her and Verso was really pissed off about it. What I meant was how the fuck was I supposed to know what this guy was feeling for painted Alicia when we barely saw them together unlike Gustave/Maelle?

In this thread: Citizen of the United States of America is too illiterate to comprehend characters motivations in a fucking videogame, because it lacks basic human empathy (which apparently isn't built around his black and white/left or right directional brain and is far more complex)

dont destroy the canvas

aline and/or alicia need their fix

verso is tired again

Let him rest, anon. Destroy the canvas.

have fun, you're still wrong goodbye

Anons live in endless escapism

Sounds accurate

Aliciafags can't admit that everyone is already dead in Act 3 and she is resurrecting zombies. Noco's revival, Maelle's parents, and confronting painted Alicia should have all been part of the main quest leading up to Renoir. The Lumerians are dead. Lune and Sciel are dead. The Maelle we knew up until Act 2 is dead. The faceless zombie horde of expeditionars are dead. Alicia is completely fucked in the head and whoever sides with her is retarded.

imagine not supporting genocide of the je..
i mean painted people

verso is a liar

yes

verso ending means maelle will suffer in the real world

yes

deleting the canvas is genocide

yes

maelle is a selfish hypocrite

yes
verso's ending is bad and makes alicia suffer in the real world, but suicide by OD on fantasy fentanyl while enslaving your dead brother's soul because you can't face your own mistakes and grief is even worse

Apparently maellefags want him to live forever, diabolical fucking bastards

what this guy was feeling for painted Alicia

They have scenes together and she's his little sister.
It's not hard to understand what he feels for her, especially considering their shitty life after learning what happened to the original Alicia.

They were already dead in act 2.
The real genocide happens to the Gestrals and Grandis, but they would probably be OK with Verso's choice if it meant letting the soul of their creator who loved them finally rest.
Esquie and Monoco supported Verso, I trust them more than any painter or Lumerian.

you don't get it I need MORE more pverso/palicia scenes

utilitarian attitudes

If your intervention exceeds an offer to help, you're just replacing addiction with dependance.

You simply assume that they will manage to change instead of lending them a hand.

Lending them a hand is offering them help, not forcing your will upon them for your own sake. You may not like their descision (to destroy themselves), but as long as they are agentic (i.e.: in the possession of the faculties necessary to start the process of withdraweo if they wanted), it's ultimately none of your buisness.

Agency is non-negotiable. If you don't want others to issue unsolicited interventions in your life in matters they disagree with, neither should you -- no matter how their (bad) descision may worry and pain you.

Honestly, the dlc should be about the painted family.
Just so we can see the sheer cope of Aline when she made them and how they lived before the fracture.

in the possession of the faculties necessary to start the process of withdraweo if they wanted

Psychology babble.
Aline created painted Alicia with the specific intention to make her suffer. It's probably the most diabolical thing in the entire game.

if you knew he WAS having really nice dreams and the option would be to wake up and be a quadriplegic, would you wake him up?

Erm no mass genocide is worse than trapping one soul, retard

Playing a sequel as writers going into Painter worlds and fucking them up then killing them would be such a cool game lol

They are bound to go through under another Aline situation if you entrust Maelle with the canvas. Genocide is merciful.

genocide of fake people

wonder if they cared abot the hundreds of other paintings like that

They’re real people with a real physical form

One objectively real soul > any number of theoretical souls

MOOOOM ANON SAID HIS IMAGINARY FRIENDS GOT *checks note* MASS GENOCIDED AGAIN

they're npcs, they're not real, maelle
you have to go back

No? But they are paintings, they just get stored somewhere they don't go destroying it.
They destroyed this specific painting for plot reasons, but gestrals had been happily living there for ages.

now you're just assuming
then I'm going to assume some of these paintings were created specifically so rich people could make their westworld dreams come true

people aren't made of flesh and bone, they're made of atoms

I am very smart!

I mean the fact is if you read through the expediton journals you see they:

bleed

require food and water to survive

run out of water next to the ocean, which implies that the osmotic properties of salt in the intestines prevents them from drinking saltwater

get infections

get poisoned from eating bad shrooms

vomit

train their muscles

break bones

Painters are the ones who go inside canvases, looks like, it's their power.

Verso would be in the right IF

A) The conditions of the real world were not UTTERLY fucked, both personally for Alicia as well as the state of the world

B) Alicia's life was actually on the line with this decision, but it isn't. It just affects what KIND of life she will live, and it can be argued that the life in the "real" world would be much worse than her life in the painted world, based on her health and the war.

is there anything more cowardly than the Versocuck absolving himself of all responsibility by claiming they aren't people? I chose Verso but you niggers make me sick.

Painted Verso is absolutely a real person

Thats why he has to suffer for decades so he can enable his sisters suicide.

I am very smart and ethical

Only because the Dessandres' life went smoothly before the fire. But life never goes smoothly forever, so the events of the game and the family conflict was bound to happen, and it's better if they forgo their painting power for their sake and prevent the suffering of any future creation of theirs.

They can't procreate unless Aline wills it so, since she needs to use chroma to create new life (see Maelle)

Calm down escapismo, your painted people will not come to life by taking it on me

why is existence suffering for Verso exactly? What exactly is so awful about living in a newly whole Lumiere with all the Gestrals and Grandis?

both personally for Alicia as well as the state of the world

Alicia's body is kind of fucked but she can still live.
And the real world is mostly fine, there's a secret war but that's about it.

B) Alicia's life was actually on the line with this decision, but it isn't.

It is, if she stays, she dies in the real world.

the life in the "real" world would be much worse than her life in the painted world

She's just coping and basically keeping a fake perfect world she's not even happy in because she needs to manipulate verso for her fantasy to work.

So you don't trust Verso's own opinion?

they're not though, they're all just literal magic paint woven into homonculi by a crazy hag

so the events of the game and the family conflict was bound to happen

Not really, if Verso's canvas had never existed it wouldn't have happened.
Aline would have grieved properly and the family would have moved on, it was a specific combination of a horrific event and the existence of a single canvas that fucked it all up.

and prevent the suffering of any future creation of theirs

You think they actually care about the people they can erase on a whim? Not even Alicia cares by the end of the game.

Alicia's life was actually on the line with this decision, but it isn't.

Renoir literally showed us Aline puking blood as a result of her addiction to the canvas

It's how you get out of paying child support.

Dude, being based on a dead kid is totally dark. Not even eternal youth could cheer you up then.

We don't know if Maelle is a one-off thing or not though.

They can't procreate unless Aline wills it

100% headcannon.
Aline painted first generation of Lumiere and the rest multiplied naturally.
She only needed chroma to paint over Alicia.

Nothing is stopping Alicia from making her own canvas where she is whole and healthy, Verso even encourages her to keep painting.
In the end all she wants is Verso. She could've let Verso die when he wanted to, like she did with Painted Alicia. But no, she doesn't give a damn about Lumiere or the canvas if Verso isn't there to live out her fantasy.

Anon, her lungs are burned. That means her oxygenation is fucked and will only get worse as time goes by. Add to that the state of medical science in the early 1900's and she has a few decades if that.

And if you are going to suggest that she extend her lifespan via paintings, I hope you see the irony in such a suggestion after telling her that no, she cannot stay in the painting to live a better life.

He knows that his canvas is destroying his family.
He doesn't mind the lumerians and stuff, but the end result is his whole family being torn apart and he's just tired of painting.

Thing that gets me maybe even more than killing all the canvas people is that Verso has just been lying and scheming the whole time, can't trust that guy.

he knows his existence means the people he loves are suffering

This is all headcanon and cope

All of the lumerians are Aline's creations, ALL OF THEM.
They don't multiply naturally because it requires Aline's chroma to happen. She shapes the people in Lumiere and makes the next generations because people can't magically produce chroma.

My point is the moment the family came upon a rough time, which again was bound to happen, someone would find themselves addicted to a canvas to cope. The specific details don't matter, their power is addictive escapism on steroids.

After years and years in the painting. Alicia will die if she stays in the painting, but she will do so outside of the painting as well, perhaps even faster than she would inside.

Bro, she's mentally 16. She'll gain some wisdom in the canvas and eventually leave of her own volition. Have faith in Gustave, Lune, and Sciel.

has just been lying and scheming the whole time,

Just act 2, for his mom.
He's 100% being honest in act 3 until Alicia lies to Renoir, then he's honest with her again about what he wants to do.
If you can't get over him lying to the party to off his mom, that's on you, but otherwise he's been honest.

Rent free lol

She'll gain some wisdom in the canvas and eventually leave of her own volition

Zoom Zoom has no reading comprehension.

She'll gain some wisdom

in a world she can shape to her every whim

and her mom didn't leave in over 100 years

bro she's a literal deranged child with godlike powers

They live in a fantasy setting of Paris, that's why Verso's tombstone says he died on the 33rd of December. So your argument about medical science is irrelevant. If painters and writers have magical powers maybe doctors have too.

he's been honest except for the time that he wasn't, which is 99% of the time you've known him.

Okay I guess.

The fuck? Do you think that inhaling burning hot smoke and fumes leaves your lungs just fine and dandy?

HAVE FAITH

tfw sister HATES Verso and prefers Gustave

I already know she's gonna pick the tard ending

All of the lumerians are Aline's creations, ALL OF THEM.

She created the OGs yes

They don't multiply naturally because it requires Aline's chroma to happen.

We don't actually know if this is the case. We're shown that painted creations can use chroma themselves to varying degrees. Painted Renoir is able to basically do painter stuff.
Also keep in mind that we know painted people eat food and grow up. How is that so different from cell growth that turns into a different person?

He never really liked painting and probably went through a lot of shit from his parents before being allowed to become a musician. Now he's trapped in a world where a piece of his soul is doomed to paint forever, and playing the piano has gone from his life's passion to something he's being forced to do like a trained monkey.

Not even her dad has faith on her.
And she's his favorite and he had placed a ton of hope on her "reaching out".

They live in a fantasy setting of Paris, that's why Verso's tombstone says he died on the 33rd of December.

They also live inside a painting/book, which makes the "not real" argument completely hollow.

HATES Verso and prefers Gustave

That's literally everyone with a pulse.
Verso is interesting but he isn't likable at all

We see her run with that damage without getting winded.
You're just pretending its lethal to justify torturing Verso and the other Canvas residents enabling Maelles insanity.
There's nothing in game to indicate Maelle can't live until 100 in the real world without problems.

It means she's loyal. The game is kinda fucked up for having Verso suddenly pop up in the same fucking cutscene as Gustave's death

Are you seriously suggesting that Verso would magically be okay with Alicia permanently retreating into a painting just as long as it was hers? This is about Verso controlling Alicia, thinking he has the right to make decisions for her.

NOOOO YOU CAN'T FORCE ME TO LIVE A PERFECT HAPPY LIFE AS A SINGLE FAVORITE PERSON OF THE LITERAL GOD AAAAAAHHHHHH I AM GOING INSANE SAVE ME PAINTERMAN

I've seen girls do a total 180 by the ending due to the writing.
Even if you hate him, you either get that he's trying to save Maelle or they get the jumpscare ending.

why is this ending so sinister bro i just want maelle to be happy why isn't it the happy ending

They also live inside a painting/book

Painting-inside-a-painting would be terrible world-building, fantasy Paris is far superior

How long will it take for the movie adaptation? 5-10 years?

what do you mean you're tired of dealing with painters and their bullshit?

what do you mean you don't want your loved ones to suffer anymore?

You'll play the piano and like it

Could knock it out in a couple of years if they get started right away.

They are indistinguishable from people and every painted character remarks that they are real. Your reasoning is simply that because Painters have the ability to create that their creations don't deserve life.

Anon Babble is gonna have this debate for years to come, isn't it?

make movie

written by american roasties with daddy issues

alicia the mary sue tells her dad to fuck off and makes everything happy and perfect and her ending is all sunshine and rainbows

Everyone hates Verso at first. "Who the fuck is this opportunistic prick and why didn't he save Gustave?"

We see her run with that damage without getting winded.

Outside the painting? At which point?

They also live inside a painting/book, which makes the "not real" argument completely hollow

headcanon and cope

Maelle ending is bad because the music sting is sinister

They are indistinguishable from people

They are human shaped gestrals, nothing more, nothing else.
Except they can't even reincarnate.

Painting-inside-a-painting would be terrible world-building

Sadly Maelle/Alicia implies that painting-in-painting is possible.
It's a hypothetical retardLORD, stop being so aggressive.

You can fucking sprint in the manor anon.

The good ending :)

So what's the deal with this one armed dude?

never said they deserved anything
it's the tard ending only because it means maelle slowly commits suicide instead of facing the real world and the consequences of her actions

fucking lel

sudden black and white like her nightmares

music stops

verso looks visibly angry

chroma pickup sound when he refuses to play

alicia uses her paintress powers

he starts playing

THIS IS THE GOOD END SOMEHOW

yeah no, everytime he starts to become likeable he goes back to backstabbing liar in an instant

i just bught it. am 6 hours in. holy... 10/10. godlike. for me personally kcd2 is still game of the year.. but man... maybe not when i am through with this. just kidding, i wont let hang you medieval bros

Your argument for her not being seriously ill is that the game allows you to move faster during gameplay for convenience?

multiple threads about this daily

This game really tickled Anon Babbles pickle didn't it? I don't remember a reaction like this in a long time.

Verso is a genocidal maniac. He should be flayed alive a million times, not forced to play the bibano

They behave and function just like regular people. They bleed, eat, sleep, etc. I don't even know why you make the distinction, since gestrals clearly would also be deserving as life when examined from a moral lens.

he goes back to backstabbing liar

This happened once, at the end of act 2.
The act 3 betrayal is ALL on Alicia.

Fuck Verso and fuck Alicia though?!?!?!?
GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE
NOW
NOW
GO PLAY AND DON'T READ SPOILERS

lmao

MUHH GENOCIDE FREE GAYLESTINE

reddit is that way

Anon, the entire reason everyone in their family is obsessed with that canvas is because it has a carbon copy of Verso thanks to the fragment of his soul.
Without that perfect copy of Verso then Aline and later Alicia would have no reason to be so enthralled by it.
So yes, I'm suggesting that Verso would be okay with Alicia smoking weed if she gives up heroin.
And if you want to talk about right to make decisions then tell me why it is okay for her to decide that painted Verso should keep living when he wants to stop existing.
Or why it is okay for her to force Verso's soul to keep painting when he's tired of it.

Good. I want my friend to watch it so we can discuss it but he refuses to play the videogame.

hey behave and function just like regular people.

I didn't know you could just delete people into petals with a weave of your hand.

finner

Both endings have their positives and negatives.
This angers autists.

V*rso suffers

Alicia gets to live at least couple decades of healthy life among people who love her

this is bad somehow

V*erso gets what he deserves

Alicia is forced to live as an abandoned cripple in constant pain among people who detest her at worst and see her as a worthless liability at best

this is good somehow

They're both real worlds. The only difference is in this one she can live for centuries as a healthy human, and in the real world she is stuck as a one-eyed disfigured mute. Nobody in the game responsible for what happens faces actual consequences for their actions in any ending at all. Not Maelle, not Aline, not Renoir, not Clea. None of them face any punishment for the things they have done.

You couldn't, but I bet ALLAH could. The Painters are just their gods.
Does that mean your life is meaningless and you'll rope?

People completely ignore how unsettling the last shot of Verso's ending with the family gone and Gustave beckoning Alicia towards him is.

V*erso gets what he wants

fix
I am retard