LOST WHERE THE FOREST WOULD GROW
Deltarune
Go back to your tranny general this thread is unnecessary
gotta love when hacks like toby start taking "inspiration" from a genuine works of art. at least lynch doesnt have to witness this blatant theft anymore
Pizzapants is the key to all of this
I feel like people would just assume it is fetish content or something along those lines.
We got any updates on the Thankyou emails yet?
Toby removes Weird Route altogether in new release
"Secret route? Rape allusions? What are you talking about? You're a sick, sick person, you know!"
Imagine everyone's fucking faces.
They mindlinked through dreams in 2014 to share ideas. Pic related is talking about The Return months before its reveal and years before its release. You know nothing.
if you still care about toby's slop you're autistic and trans
He's talking about Vangers.
b-b-but he is talking about an upcoming game!
In-universe, the game was created in the future and sent back to 1997 through time rift, similar to how Gaster had sent SURVEY_PROGRAM to our universe to connect us with Deltarune universe, so it still checks out on meta level. Omori is just red herring.
used to follow Undertale artists/musicians years ago and enjoyed their work a lot
try to check them now
they trooned out
It's like finding someone who you liked became a drug addict
Good morning sir!
Toby was more than likely referring to Omori, but you're in the right direction nonetheless.
Understanding the story of Deltarune requires experience with the fictions that inspired it, ranging from Final Crisis/The Spongebob Squarepants Movie, to Twin Peaks (and all the Japanese games and anime it inspired), to Theosophy (and Thelema), the Wizard of Oz, The Neverending Story, Gnostic Christianity, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, OFF, etc.
And obviously Homestuck but that goes without saying.
who cares nothing will be answered in the next 2 chapters
Please don't shit up Twin Peaks *anything* with this trash
Chapter 4 will become the low point for all the gang. and Kris will end up separated from everyone at the end, alone in the dark.
Chapter 5 will come out in 2035.
Vangers
tell me more about it
at the risk of being off topic
One of my friends from high school was a fellow raider back in the glory days of Anon Babble
Find out they stream and check in on them
Not only has he trooned out, he's become a paranoid schizo furry who thinks the FBI is secretly conspiring against him. Exactly the kind of retard we would have fucked with back in the day.
It's not easy to make me any more depressed than I already am but that hurt.
Realistically is it possible for tobs to top spamton with his next character lore, theme, vibe and personality wise
fixating on Lynch as an influence for Twin Peaks
when they're forgetting how equally big of an influence Grant Morrison and Stephen Hillenburg were on Toby Fox
see you in the endgame goofy goobers when Susie and Kris are captured by the Titan/Cyclops and "die" only to be revived through the Player's input, starting a domino effect that ends with Kris and his friends defeating the Angel with the power of music
Maybe the "there's two friends" theory isnt that farfetched
possibly, remember that toby was worried that people wouldn't like spamton before ch2 came out
who knows what he's cooking for ch3 and 4
One of the early successful attempts at making proper schizokino in video games. It's a vehicular combat sort-of open world sandbox game where three factions of fucked-up alien-human hybrids and two mysterious otherwordly powers are trying to gaslight you into helping them ruin their own lives. But there are lots of parallels between its ending and the beginning of Deltarune so I keep bringing it up in these threads.
i don't want nor need him to one up everything. keep the quality consistent.
In Deltarune Peaks theory is the Vessel Kris's doppleganger?
Why is Asriel such a thieving nigger?
Kris and his friends defeating the Angel with the power of music
Just look at the lyrics of "Don't forget". If this isn't a song that entire town sings together to the end boss to snap her out of it and make her go back to being Dess or Noelle or whatever, then I don't know what else it is.
What if it'll become like that old movie Chronicle, they all get their powers in the light world and one of them will crack and use their powers selfishly because they're hormonal teens
Asriel got it as a reward by fucking them btw
old movie
2012
What the fuck are you talking abo... Oh.
Chapter 4 is the halfway point. Good things NEVER happen to characters at the halfway point.
Maybe, but I think it's more likely that if there's a Doppelganger and Tulpa duo concerning Kris, then it would be Chara and Frisk respectively. Deltarune and Undertale both place a great emphasis on two things being brought together, or one being split into two.
Frisk = Dougie
Chara = Doppel-Coop
Kris = Cooper
It will be Kris btw
You play as Asriel fused with Ralsei and have to kill them in the final chapter
He never specified if that something was a video game.
see .
Goofiness isn't mutually exclusive to Lynch.
honestly i think noelle's more likely to do it on the 'normal' route
on the weird route she realizes something is wrong with kris and that the dark world wasn't just a dream, which could make her more cautious if trying to use magic in the light world
on the normal route she still thinks it's a dream at the end of ch2
By the time the full game's out you'll be able to unironically use that new-school/old-school/paleolithic gamer meme just for Deltarune
Will Berdly being dead be carried over you wonder?
KRIS!!! TAKE THE DEAL!!! TAKE IT!!!
DO YOU WANNA BE A [Heart] ON A [Chain] YOUR WHOLE LIFE!?
OR… DID YOU WANT TO BE…
Did you wanna be…
KRIS… I WON’T FORCE YOU. I CAN’T. I CAN’T FORCE YOU.
BUT JUST LOOK, KRIS. LOOK AT THE [Power of NEO] AND ASK YOURSELF…
WELL, DON’T YOU?
DON’T YOU WANNA BE A [Big Shot]!?
Forget the next characters, this is the peak of the entire game as far as I'm concerned.
hard to say, ch3 & 4 take place on the weekend right? it's plausible there would be no reason to deal with the maybe dead birdly
ch5 on the other hand will need to address that he was immobile for two and a half days in the library if he did actually die
Noelle is absolutely going grimdark on us. It seems like every dark power is trying to manipulate her - Queen, Friend, Spamton, genocidefags. Whoever is trying to open those Dark Fountains has so much to offer her, she is bound to fall to corruption at one point.
Will Berdly being dead be carried over you wonder?
The frozen chicken is the biggest consequence of the route(so far). Noelle still needs to finish her group project so she will have to try to reach out to berdly sometime soon...
is this real?
Spamton's dialogue were all diamonds
The characterization and jabs at Kris being a puppet parallel are insane and probably(literally did) terrify him to his core
Been thinking
What if the transition between chapter 3 and 4 is Kris and Susie entering an already-darkened Church when we finally get out of the house?
What if the reason we're seeing a darker than dark world is because we're seeing a dark world that had enough people in it that one person was swayed by the Darkner-in-chief to create another fountain?
Is it?
And yet both items he gives you benefit Ralsei the most. He's becoming a [Real Boy], I'm sure of it now.
queen
she was misguided and became chill after ralsei corrected her
friend
Too soon to say but friend doesn't seem to have malicious intent against her or kris on the normal routes.
spamton
wasn't noelle the only one to click on his ads. Not genuine manipulation in that instance.
Turns out berdly's fine the next day, just a little.. off.
Later turns out he's actually possessed by a SOUL just like Kris, and everyone else who dies in the dark worlds will be taken in a similar fashion until there's one possessed townsperson for every soul color. Under your command they PROCEED to destroy the world.
I don't think he needs to "top" any previous schizo or character in the way that you're thinking
I just think he needs to make them each stand on their own
Jevil and Spamton are uniquely different, Spamton just had more time to embed himself in the story
It makes me wonder what the rest of the schizos will be like. I think Jevil and Spamton have covered the idea of freedom and whatnot pretty well already. I mean, Friend Inside Me's not bad, but that still leaves four more schizos.
Gaster is Pete, but with eggs instead of fish.
Fucking confirmed.
Toby wasn't trying to top Jevil, he just didn't know if fans would like Spamton, too.
Jevil keeps making me think of
Your choices don't matter
He just locks himself away and avoids the inevitable making himself more free than anyone else by not even bothering, the world revolves around him all locked away
Not too far fetched. Berdly's soul died in the dark world but now his light world body is an empty vessil if toby goes that route
Yeah, but we have entity that wants Dark Fountains opened, and said entity has so much to offer Noelle.
the world where she can be with Susie
the world where Kris can become her friend again
the world where she no longer has to be afraid of her mother
the world where she can cure her father
the world where she can find Dess
Berdly gets possessed by Yellow SOVL
he brings gun to the school
I think the schizos might represent various responses to finding out their world is a lie.
Jevil - Hedonism, decides to simply pursue having fun regardless of the cost to anyone else. After all, what does it matter?
Spamton - Desperately tries to break his own chains and become something more than what he was destined to be.
He is BOB, eager for fun. He wears a smile, everybody run.
Every schizo boss will be relate to the theme of "Freedom" in some way, don't get ahead of yourselves now
Why don't we just go with seven deadly sins then? Jevil is pride, Spamton is greed, IMMODEST PURPLE DRAGON is lust
the world where she can cure her father
the way the weird route is going I wouldn't be surprised if she unintentionally killed rudy and just fucking snaps
tries to cure father
accidently kills him
meltie happens
gaster
friend
mike
tree man
So do you guys think any of these ~mysterious characters~ are the same guy, or are they four distinct entities?
Suppose you could also through Dess, the knight, and mayor holiday onto the list too
friend is some sort of cat
spamton talks about mike and would know the difference between him and gaster
well, we see the man here doesn't talk in hands
He hasn't spoken at all since him writing the letter is just a theory
I was always saying that Rudy really is just having some tests done, he's fine, but he will die because of a misguided attempt to save him.
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More like
goes grimdark
tries to heal him
turns him into a dangerous abomination instead
Shit Gang manages to fight him and bring him back to normal
but this had weakened him so much that his condition is now lethal
The schizo bosses reflect Kris' feelings of suicide. Collecting all the Crystals will help the Player prevent Kris from suicide by showing a world without Kris and how awful it is without him.
Kris can't see himself through the glass
Oh wait, forgot the most important part
his last words are him forgiving Noelle
oh that would completely break noelle, lol
funny you mention that
Good points, added to the image.
Spamton didn't even top Jevil.
turns him into a dangerous abomination instead
it'd never happen but its fun to imagine
Cringe
Even if the theory were true, Gaster hasn't always spoken in wingdings either. So it was just a bad point
why would susie be glaring at him if he's dead/never existed
Nah, that guy is pretty tame by monster standards. I'm talking about something serious - Cyberdemon, some kind of Lovecraftian monster, maybe something more abstract like those titans from Roaring cutscene or savepoint with wings from the last trailer.
Thanks. Don't neglect the Gaster is Two People theory, or the further TP parallels considering Cellydawn's "Sans is Gaster" theory (Sans is a piece of Gaster: Sans is The Man From Another Place/The Arm
short funny man
beware the man who came from another world
remove monster kid from the game
neutral frisk would be caught by undyne
genocide frisk would have no way to make undyne get enough determination to be a real boss fight
wtf that explains the different dialogue
wow didn't know rudy was based like that
this image makes me uncomfortable.
Ok seems like Snowgrave only starts when Noelle joins so I can spare people up till then, then I'll make a separate save so I can freeze everyone
DONT YOU WANNA BE A BIG SHOT
HAHAHAHAHA
it is homosuck all the way down
you would if you could
centaur or horse executor
the knight piece is the horse
priest
alvin is the knight because homosuck parallels
desu since she is a quadruplet it means you can hit it from behind
tfw you are going to town and when you are about to nut she snaps her head back at you like an owl
If Dess is Laura Palmer, does that mean Mayor Holiday molested her while being possessed?
Who is the dreamer: Dess? Toby? Gaster? And who is having the dream?
I now find it pretty likely the black half is a cat with ears sticking up
Speaking of Monster kid - what's the deal with him?
really hates Susie in this game
worshipped Undyne in the last game
what was his sister saying to him all the time in UT and is it relevant?
she has her antler hands on your belly while sucking your dick with her sideways mouth and looking straight at you with both sets of eyes
>really hates Susie in this game
she molests him
>worshipped Undyne in the last game
he wants her to molest him
>what was his sister saying to him all the time in UT and is it relevant?
"jerk off"
no
If she's a quadruplet then I'll just hit one of her sisters instead of cucking my man Rudy.
she molests him
Knowing both Susie AND Toby Fox, it's "she doesn't molests him".
True, that makes the theory make more sense actually
If gaster was two guys, then why does this image point out the "what do you two think" line? If anything that line makes it less likely. Unless you think he's three people?
Ralsei says something a little strange when he explains why some darkners belong in a world when others don't.
Darkners reflect the will of their fountain
And after this, he says that they might not "belong" in another.
But these are two separate thoughts. The "will" of the fountain doesn't have anything to do with the theme, right? You can't say it's the "will" of a room to be a computer room or a living room or something.
And the Queen explains later about the Knight, that when it created the cyber world:
It Coursed Its Will Into Its Blade
Meaning that this "Will" infused into the dark worlds is based on whoever creates it.
Though, that's a little questionable right? We don't see any darkners who reflect any sort of "will".
Except the King and Queen. They directly state what they believe is the Knight's will. Very clearly. King believes that the Knight brought him to life solely to oppose lightners. Queen clearly believes that she exists to convince lightners to create more fountains.
Queen's goal is pretty clear-cut. Create more fountains.
But what about the King?
From the Cyber World we can see that darkners aren't naturally opposed to lightners. Hell, from everything we're told, this is literally the opposite of any darkner.
But why would it matter that the King and the King alone was imbued with the will to fight lightners?
Well, it establishes one thing. For the player and the characters. It sets the completely arbitrary expectation that you'll need to fight darkners from now on, because they want to fight you to stop you from closing their fountain.
Now, it's not like this isn't true. Even Queen, believing opening fountains was a totally positive thing, fought you to do so.
But it's a little strange that King literally only existed to establish himself as some "villain" for the party, isn't it? To establish ALL darkners as "villains" even though it's literally just the King.
ahem
The fourth piece in the Kris Susie Noelle triangle. Really wants Kris's dick but Kris spends a lot of time with Susie while she rants about how much she's going to kick his ass.
why does noelle have so much item flavor text in the game? Even for the unused stuff and when she's gone from the party?
Wow this really looks like shit. Sorry everyone, I've failed you.
Troon general
Oh great, we found another contender for Susiebowl by accident.
undyne is captain of the royal guard and a heroic figure to monsters
susie is the local high school bully
they're not really comparable
i can't believe berdly is a goner now
I can't believe berdly is a gooner now
I bet he's an orphan who was taken in by Alvin, explaining why he wears the cross
I was going to include that as a hypothetical but I wasn't sure in how to do it without it seeming like a shitpost. We do know Mayor Holiday isn't the nicest mother, but what could possess her? Was Dess's disappearance set up to protect her?I'll look into those further, thanks.
Will it though? Supposedly Seam can craft the Purified crystal that will let you make the Twisted Sword if you have the Thorn ring.
You know this looks a lot like davepeta from Homestuck
i can
can probably goon a lot more with that cloaca of his
I have no problem believing Berdly is a gooner.
Oh god, what if Susie is his long-lost sister then?
time to say the question again.
how would you react if we get more shit in chapter 3 that proves kris is either frisk or chara.
o boy
I believe in Human x Gote supremacy
Frisk is not Kris, and we already have confirmation of Chara being present because hes attached to the player's soul forever.
I believe chapter 3 will be a blatant Homestuck reference
Before I log off, look at TheQueen0fNowhere and her posts she's made on R-ddit concerning the ending of DR. And Codiekitty's posts about Morrison as an influence.
One last observation towards TP and UT/DR for tonight
chakra colors in TP (see: Find Laura theory) and SOULs in Undertale
susie's unused dialogue and kris' save file might imply a time loop
parallels with Lawrence Jacoby and Spamton (scammers, colorful glasses)
cringe ass fake gamers
Berdly's clean and nice-smelling cloaca
haunted by berdly for the rest of the game
would be cliché and yet......
Please no, time loops are time poops.
Please use the time travel in your writing responsibly
In fact, maybe don't do it at all
you will get the timeloop and you will enjoy it. I hope you enjoy the angel reseting time over and over again. it will be one constant time loop and the real ending is breaking from it.
I can't wait to see which scrimblo is going to get more porn than the designated goonbait character
I LOOK FORWARD, TO CREATING A NEW FUTURE, WITH YOU.
I feel like timeshit is almost a certainty since the beginning so buckle up
Even Undertale did it through contextualized saving and loading
Time travel is integral to Twin Peaks, Doctor Who, Chrono Trigger, and other media that directly or indirectly influenced Toby.
related: check out nasptamuse's goner theory
And Unleash A Bright Future
I wasn't expecting time travel but the fact even in chapter 1 kris(you) is abrasive with noelle compared to everyone else raises an eyebrow.
but they're all fairy tales too
To be fair, TM still won R34 battle in chapter 2 by a large margin and even got her personal fetish tag on E621, but Queen somehow finished third after Spamton.
A future that shines for US!
Who would've known that Berdly was bald eagle all along.
Forgot how good Chapter 2 is
okay but how would the unused pink soul come into play with this?
this filters the zoomer
GATO
Spamton and Roux?
FELOINES HAVE NINE LOIVES
A FELOINE CAN DIE NOINE TIMES
Remember, kids - I am writing down every good plot theory I am seeing here. Once the actual game debunks 99% of them, I will just use them in my own project.
HTR has been to the autist community what Crack has been to niggers.
I saw it in Horsefucker circles before, ruined many great artists, writers etc.
Fuck you, I liked groundhog day and groundhog day in space
since chapter 2 lets you kill Berdly, does this mean he wont show up at all in future chapters? please tell me this is true
if FRIEND is friend then why does FRIEND jumpscare you everytime
Terminator 1 and 2 , Dragonball Z and Groundhog day are the only media with good timetravel. Fight me
He's not dead.
snowgrave is fucking pointless if thats the case
He's hungry and you didn't fill his bowl
snowgrave
fatal
He's fucking lost one'd and we don't have a bracelet, anon. Berdly being in a fucking coma won't matter until chapter 5 based on the timeline though
Good.
if he's not important for later chapters, then him dying in snowgrave is pointless.
Not applicable But
Your choices don't matter.
For Darkners. They do die when you use it on them. Only Berdly gets frozen.
Which part of FATAL was too difficult for you to parse?
It is done.
The apocalypse is going to happen in chapter 5 or the nature of the world is going to shatter. Berdly will be the least of our problems.
There's only going to be two endings: the end, and setting up a rube-goldberg machine across the timeline to stop it.
Back to the Future
Going to play devil's advocate here: if he was dead, he should have been dispersed into dust and entirely missing when we returned from the dark world.
susie's nuclear shitsd
Brain dead or vegatable state. Pick your poison.
berdly will return but theres going to be something off about him. A missing pixel here, a strange design there, weird coloring over there. Its going to be creepypasta level
My money is on this. Berdly is now a goner.
(you) stuffed berdly's non responsive body into the closet. no one's gonna find him.
berdly is gonna have a change of heart and Kris will realize he can enter the people's palace through the dark world and will use that to fix the world
it was a Persona ripoff all along
spoiler
this
ceroba is da knight
Do you think there will be a weird route in chapter 3?
isnt the 3rd chapter supposed to be huge? im sure there is.
Chapter 5
Enter darker dark world
Game starts to glitch out
Berdly appears
His sprite is colorless and unsettling
He's not looking at Kris
He's looking at You
"You..."
"I remember your..."
"...Snowgraves"
go to deltarune.com
click around on links and draw conclusions from context clues
highlight the page
Damn I kinda didnt expect Snowgrave to be so much shorter than just playing normally
dess theme
Pic related is talking about The Return months before its reveal
before its reveal
If it had been a game I'd believe you but I doubt Toby had the inside connections to know Twin Peaks was coming back before the rest of the public
Roll for anal circumference was a bit cryptic.
Toby warned you that ARG is non-canon because he removed Snowgrave completely as it was Nintendo's condition for getting his game to Switch 2
nintendo allows creepy shit though
Yes, and just as weird as in 2
But it's going to be a weird route in the light world and not in the dark world
why's that surprising? You miss out on exposition and (you) stop ralsei from seeing what susie and noelle are doing unlike the normal route
anon you can bait far better than this.
The real point of Snowgrave is avoiding interacting with the Annoying Dog in the alley and mansion.
Idk even the castle trip felt much shorter, unusual relative to genocide
You people really need to get out of the habit of calling it snowgrave before chapter 3 comes out. The game itself internally refers to it as the weird route, and there's no evidence to suggest that it's a murder spree route despite that being what we effectively did in chapter 2.
also worth mentoning lancer sleeps through the murder spree.
Innocent boys are fast asleep.
Shut up nerd.
I'm calling it snowgrave even as Toriel's torching everything in sight.
Sorry to hear that, anon, but you know what they say about those who look into the abyss.
guess we should also not call genocide that because it's not the official name?
faggot
Idk even the castle trip felt much shorter, unusual relative to genocide
most of the traps are gone
area is much more linear
no acid boat ride with ralsei
rooms in general are closed off
no shop access
no basement access
it makes sense once spamton fucks the place up.
No, of course it's going to be True Canon World-Saving Golden Ending Route. Better not talk about it at all or else normies and secondaries will get into our secret club.
genocide is fine since undertale is a completed product and "no mercy" doesn't have the same ring
here though, the weird route is fairly obviously going to be more about horribly derailing the plot than murder
The Original
Starwalker saw it all though. Weirdly enough, like Ralsei, he doesn't turn to stone when you get close to the fountain.
Its snowgrave until we get a better name for it. "weird" route is a dogshit name.
Correct, it's dog shit.
Because it's what Toby shat out when naming it.
don't care snowgrave is a rad name
When it first came out, almost nobody had cracked open the game and figured out it was internally called the weird route. With no other given name, what would you rather it called other than the very important spell?
you do murder throughout it
it culminates in murder
But of course, genocide route wasn't about murder either, it was about discovering how peopel really act in extreme circumstances
Like I said, Lynch and Toby mindlinked through dreams and that is how he found out.
Title changed
Your choices don't matter.
He's fallen down.
wonder who's going to be the next victim. Bouncing between toriel and undyne.
Definitely dedicating an entire playthrough to ruining Kris' life.
implying that's not the main file of every Anon Babble poster
I wanna do it normal first, just doing Weird route alongside it
no i'm not doing weird route stuff at all. I like happy endings.
If I wanted edgyslop, I would've played LISA or Omori instead.
I want to watch Susie and Noelle make out while I jerk off
Why are you like this?
joel still hasnt played Snowgrave
YOU HAD 5 YEARS YOU LAZY SWEDE
You do realize what happened in Noelle's room on weird route right
snowcucks really believe that they're going to prevent Suselle instead of pushing Noelle into Susie's hands even harder
He didn't even like playing Genocide, from what I recall, why do you think he's doing Snowgrave at all?
I wonder if he'll do UTY at some point.
Fair enough. I am still mad he never played a proper neutral run becauae of backseating fags
OP is literally picrel
Absolutely nothing according to Susie.
Omori
Edgy
What
She raped susie
Eh, did anyone actually managed a proper neutral run anyway, aside from Jerma? Not killing anyone is usually one of the first thing that gets spoiled, and the only people doing Neutral runs are those who don't care about the game but were forced to play it for some reason so they want to get through it as fast as possible.
Green.
Did you really just made a schizo corkboard themed around color green and left this guy out?
This. She probably just kept asking about Kris. That's why Susie is all "hehe wouldn't you wanna know, Kris? Don't worry I'll tell you in private". She thinks Noelle likes him.
Nuclear arsenal grade cope
Just realized Spamton's wires are CAT 6 cables.
Copium aside, you do realize that Snowgrave is evil route and any outcome on it is considered bad thing? If Suselle is confined to this route, it's the absolutely best outcome you could wish for, it means Toby acknowledges it as unhealthy.
It's weird that people still try to assert some sort of arbitrary "correct order" that you're intended to play the game in.
Like there's supposed to be at some point you cock it up and have to do a second run through of the game.
Especially since Toby pruned the Vegetoids only having the spare condition of attacking them.
Which, you know, still exists in game for common enemies, and still qualifies under pacifism.
It's kind of really loud about being the game where you win by not killing "enemies".
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Alternia got their own version of Queen
Copium aside, I think you're incorrect. Tobiasbert isn't going to do the exact same thing twice.
Toby is going to make ultra murder route good and spare everyone route bad one just for the sake of contrarianism
Are you really this retarded?
Where the hell is this from
Are you?
There is only one ending.
Unless we break the game, which will require us to behave like a psychopath for the sake of gathering information.
Didn't someone pissy about Undertale already make a shitty knockoff where the premise was that the genocide route was morally correct?
IIRC the playable character was a geno knockoff
Everhood.
And honestly, it was pretty good.
No, but thanks for remembering what it was called for me.
everhood, yeah. dunno if it was actually meant to be "in response" to undertale or if it was just trying to ride off its coattails, but i never played it.
did I Beat The Game if I used a controller instead of a KB?
no those guys just liked undertale, they weren't pissy
just way too high off the mushrooms
Sex with Queen. Becoming Lancer's new Dad.
I can't think of anything in either Undertale or Deltarune where controller makes things significantly easier in any way, so sure, you beat the game but you also just lost the game
Yes, I did have that image in mind when I made mine lol.
Also don't forget that you can't really expect a streamer to play the same game twice in the row. So if someone actually does blind neutral walkthrough, at best you'd end up with "Oh well, that was nice, I guess I'll do pacifist in my spare time just for myself". Undertale was designed in a smart way anyway, you only need one little spoiler ("Don't kill anyone") to do True Pacifist almost completely blind on first try, and you'll still see most of the game highlights including the Neutral ending. Which is another thing where UTY team fucked up royally.
you only need one little spoiler ("Don't kill anyone")
I wouldn't really call that a spoiler even.
Literally no difference. I don't think it uses analog controls anywhere outside of Switch-exclusive tranny fight
Copium aside, you do realize that Snowgrave is evil route and any outcome on it is considered bad thing?
Noelle hears exclusively my orders and no one else's. There is no future in which Noelle partakes with Susie here, not that it ever mattered since Kris was always gonna stick to Susie, this is just to mentally scar Noelle for good.
Vessel is the Goner version of Frisk. Believe in the two stripes on sweater theory.
Need to play over the entire game again once Chapter 3 drops
Have to consider doing a normal Pacifist playthrough, and nothing else, or also doing a second Noelle Corruption Route and potentially ruining the first one too if the files intertwine in some way
Noelle and Kris will learn to love their new power.
Kris is already a soulless husk running around with someone else's soul inside him though
Personally, looking forward to get my hands on the Twisted Sword.
Tree Man=Gaster.
Mike could be friend, but also could be a different dude.
Mindbreak the doe anon, what's the worst that could happen?
Like honestly I think it's a way bigger spoiler that
Hey there's a bunch of stuff the game will change if you kill some people
Since that'd actively fuck up your save file and you'd have to restart, since Undertale doesn't have any sort of rollback for the "chapters" in the game.
Eh, it was still a spoiler back in the day when most streamers were playing the game. Undertale was deliberately presented as one of those "cute thing is actually a horror" rugpull games, even the "Friendly RPG where nobody has to die" was supposed to be taken as deliberately misleading phrase, even Steam trailer has Flowey winking right after it, and you remember what is pretty much the first thing that meets the player in actual game. Of course, now the cat is long out of the bag Get it? Cat
Why does Gaster not give u an egg if you get into snowgrave, that seems rude
Gaster didn't write the letter.
Snowgrave will corrupt not just one, but all three SAVE files
Imagine everyone's fucking faces.
Kris wants to be a commander and Noelle wants to be a strong magician.
The "player" is just a cope for their corruptible nature.
i figured rarecat was green because it's like a healing projectile in a fight. makes a similar noise, too
Gaster is Sans and Papyrus. Matpat will be vindicated.
Yes, but in one of the recent threads someone made a theory that you are playing role of parent in this game, and Kris is your kid. So it's my duty as a parent to make sure he does not commits any school shootings, treats good girls nicely and makes me lots of freaky human/monster grandchildren.
Undertale heavily used time travel already, dude. Toby loooooves this shit.
Right. He's Fallen Down.
Undertale was deliberately presented as one of those "cute thing is actually a horror" rugpull games
I mean maybe I'm "spoiled" since I actually got to play the demo back in 2013, but that was not at all the impression I got. It was a little quirky, at least, that it was an RPG where you win by sparing enemies BUT it was accounted for if you went and were playing it as wrong as possible.
But in the past 12 years, I have literally never been under the impression that Undertale is some sort of insincere game where the core premise is a like a little winky woo you're not REALLY supposed to win the game by doing that ;)))
There was a little bit of it, but I don't think this sort of perspective was really a thing until DDLC dropped in 2017, and people retroactively started asserting a lot of "metacommentary" elements to Undertale that weren't really there.
Usually under the basis of asserting that the two are related in some way, specifically.
Deltarune steam saves aren't stored locally right? I don't want to replay everything since I changed computers
Oh, and that Pony Island game that came out in January of 2016 that nobody probably remembers
Anon...
save data is stored at %LOCALAPPDATA%DELTARUNE
Fug, at least I have time to replay everything until then
I don't want to do the teacups again
He's never doing Smellow, he doesn't play fangames.
Hey if you got a link to someone entertaining playibg it blind id love to see it
You forgot Ralsei, the green guy of the party.
Entirely understandable.
Maybe teacups will get nerfed for the final release.
Or maybe they won't, who knows.
Yes, this Fandom really is this retarded.
I dunno, I was mostly an outsider to community back in the day and only made a cursory research, but it felt to me that the game was way darker than it turned out to be once I actually played it. Plus rugpull games don't need to be heavy on meta stuff, and the concept is quite old - I think Eversion is what really started this trend in indie scene, but I'm pretty sure you can find even earlier examples. Anyway, between cute simplistic graphics, barebones Steam page and all the background buzz about Genocide route, you could definitely have an impression that there is something darker hiding beneath all that sugar. Technically, there was actually a darker layer, but it hid another light layer underneath.
Exactly. Kris is Chara, a soulless husk, while the Vessel and the SOUL are Goner!Frisk.
Ralsei is Goner Asriel
Daniel Mullins is probably better known for Inscryption at this point. But I remember.
As I said, Jerma. It seems like a huge clusterfuck at first, considering how he played Ruins off-stream and killed Toriel, but it turns out to be surprisingly great. And for clarity - I don't watch Jerma and I consider his Deltarune playthrough to be mediocre.
See like, you CAN go and murder everyone in the Undertale Demo and oooh the music gets lower in pitch.
But I think there's something fundamentally wrong if you're asserting it and Eversion are anything alike, OR that Undertale is some kind of "rug pull" game.
It's exactly what it says on the tin. An RPG game where you win by not killing the enemies.
It'll LET you kill all the enemies, but that's not remotely the point.
Post-pacifist Undertale Flowey is just Azathoth.
No I refuse to elaborate on my schizo theory.
Actually, he's Flowey or at least a Flowey parallel.
As I said - it's double rugpull. It pretends to be insincere and turns out to be sincere. At least, that's the impression that I got about it from the outside back in the day.
People forget that the most meta shit in Undertale happened in the neutral/pacifist route where it straight up tells you SAVEing is diagetic and photoshop Flowey uses multiple SAVE files against you.
Reminder that the kiwis can play the new chapters 3 hours before everyone else.
What do they eat?
the black void surrounding everything
Tree bark
you won't have to replay it
just upload your save data to catbox and then transfer it to your new pc
I can't wait to pretend to be a kiwi and schizo post to mess with you guys
I've been replaying Chapters 1 and 2 the proper way angelapuzzle.wixsite.com
Thaks for the tip but I don't have my old PC anymore that is the main problem here
does anybody have that shizo image were someone claimed that undertale/DELTARUNE was a Genesis concept album? I would like to see it again. Thanks.
I can't wait for the gaming journalism thinkpieces about how Weird route is too problematic
Got a light?
COMPLETE CHAPTER 3 WITHOUT ISSUE
The LIGHT...
COMPLETE CHAPTER 3 WITHOUT SUSIE
Just learned you can skip the light world sections at the start of the chapter if you go to sleep. I hope this isn't diagetic in the future.
Allowing real Kris to do whatever he wants without our input? Absolutely going to be used.
It'd be kino if Deltarune had an ending like FAITH chapter 3 where we try to do as little as physically possible and some disastrous consequence results of our cowardice/inaction
My mom let me watch Twin when I was like 10 years old, Bob still scares me to this day. But also Bob is just a nickname for Robert.
Deltarune ignoramus route WHEN?
Haven't been paying attention since the release of Ch. 2
Why is everyone talking about a friend now?
Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me
Due to current youth slang, Weird route is unfortunately going to be known as "Diddy route". Not my call, not my choice. Just want you to be prepared for what's coming.
I can't be the only one who thinks a chapter will take place in Noelle's dad's hospital room, am I?
The angel doll there bugs the shit out of me, and also replaying chapter one, Noelle's dad tells her to bring the vidya to the room to play there.
rudy is going to fall down and noelle will try to open a fountain in his room to magically heal him
That game was...something. Never before have I played a undertale fangame that was actually a touhou fangame that was actually a homestuck fangame that was actually an original work with surprising depth.
I don't think the release is gonna be as big as some people here think it will.
In Queen's basement you can briefly see a creepy face that looks like a cheshire cat labeled IMAGE_FRIEND in the files. The face also appears in some deltarune.com pages as a jumpscare that randomly triggers when you interact with stuff. There's a lot of theories about what or who exactly it is but very little has been confirmed.
Threads will reach bump limit in <30 minutes for weeks
Toby autism has a lot of reach
It's honestly pretty funny with Toby seemingly laying it on extremely thick that
There are achievements for clearing a chapter
There are things that will make it so you can't clear a chapter
People IMMEDIATELY assumed there's gonna be the dead Susie route and this is the usual way to clear chapter 3.
There's actually a popular fanfic where Kris makes a Dark Fountain in his room in an effort to heal him. It's entirely with done with pixel heart and seems well done and the Dark World is weird, fleshy place. It's a cool idea for a chapter, but I struggle to see how it might fit the theme concerning escapism.
I think it's gonna be huge on Anon Babble but I don't think it's gonna be the number 1 thing streamed on twitch or whatever the modern popularity metric is.
It'll definitely be pretty big, with possibly 2 new super bosses people will go nuts with art and remixes. But I think the meta stuff will definitely be less than what people are expecting. I wouldn't be surprised if as we keep going, the meta stuff is just completely separated from normal gameplay.
It will all be FILLER, I bet we won’t even see the knight ONCE
Why would it be a weird fleshy place...? Lightners ENTER the dark world, not get a dark world made out of their body. If you have a dark world made out of a hospital room with a bunch of roses in a jar, video games and a weird angel doll, you'd get some potentially interesting shit.
Like, video game places, then a bunch of empty dead space where the angel antagonizes you (and the schizo boss is hidden) and then the endpoint being in "eden" in the flower case.
to be specific it jumps you in deltarune.com/rarecats, and it's called 'cat-009' in the files, hence why people draw friend as a cat
Every streamer that was around years ago for Undertale and Deltarune will definitely be playing it.
No... I can't wait 22 days and 2 hours. it just feels so long...
Time isn't slipping away as it used to. Everything feels so slow. I can't wait that long. I can't wait at all...
My theory is that quitting the game at a exact frame right before the chapter ends will bug the game in a way that you've "finished" the chapter but haven't moved onto the next. Kind of like an "out of bounds" glitch where you will probably get some clues about Dess if the theory that she's stuck in the edges of the game's code is real.
collect the eggs
took off vacation for June 5th plus
jk the game will unlock when i still have six hours before i get off my last work day
Maybe there is no Knight. Ralsei could be full of shit. Just like how Kris going Chara mode at the end of Ch 1 turned out to be him wanting pie. And how Ch 2 will just be him wanting to have another adventure with Susie.
Or, and hear me out here.
Weird route has intentional soft locks like has been pretty heavily implied since chapter 2 came out.
Strange white goo...
Fatal as in fate. Deltarune's world is supposed to prevent murder, but freezing someone forever doesn't count.
I forgot the details, but in the fanfic has Kris making a Dark World with Rudy's body. Not sure if that could work in the game, but it's a fun idea.
Not sure if I should just start a new game or not
Not even sure which of my Switch/PS5/PC saves is a more complete one
PC save is probably lost anyway since my SSD died a few years ago and it was before the steam version
There probably is a knight because Toby flat out said she was the main antagonist in that scrapped intro song he reused for the chappy 3/4 trailer
don't give up so close to the finish line
Reminder
youtube.com
Beating the game unlocks Chapter Select+
You can use all the features of later chapters in every chapter
Susie can be fully controlled and ACT in Chapter 1
This is how we will "time travel".
imagine keep all the aborted weird routes spells and then pulling them out to defeat a impossible boss.
that sounds like it would be kino as fuck if the chapters were linear and picking any chapter wouldn't need like 500 different chapter choice combinations
Chapter 1 ending really mindbroke this many people, eh?
wait from chapter 1 to chapter 2 was 2018 to 2021
wait from chapter 2 to chapter 3-4 was 2021 to 2025
3+4 years = 7
7 is a holy number
Oh neat I remember the speculation around this guy when it came out, didn't know there were connections being made on the website too
wait if you name your character gaster it immediately sends you back to the main menu, is there any other name that does that? kinda too lazy to check
Are you perhaps silly?
An absolute goober?
name the vessel gaster: the game restarts
name the creator gaster: the game crashes
The only name with this effect is Gaster.
People are just now realizing that Deltarune is inspired by Twin Peaks?
That gum you like is going to come back in style
I think an often overlooked mystery about Snowgrave is why it requires you to backtrack all the way to the trash zone, a location with no enemies in the normal route (thus a place you wouldn't think there's anything to freeze there). Pic rel.
Spamton's trash heap vaguely resembles the bunker.
Lost where the forest would grow.
Toby is going to LYNCH us and the ending will be unsatisfying
INSIDE
friend
*plap*
Haha okay I got it, after you get the one ending, you’ll have to replay the chapters in reverse, bringing items back with you in order to do even more shit. There might be only one ending, but what if there’s more than one beginning?
Damn didn't knew she was freaky like that
Just saw chapter 2's ending for the first time in a while and was reminded how meticulous Kris is with planning everything out.
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This is my first playing deltarune this is probably well-known but whatever
Ok ty
It did this in undertale as well that why people are actually like its no big deal.
It's pretty cool doe
You've had SEVEN YEARS to play Deltarune you absolute dork. We figured that out pretty much immediately upon release of survey_program.
Have you noticed how you can't enter Toriel's bedroom? Kris made sure you won't make him pilfer her underwear.
why would I rush to play a game that's not going to be finished before the end of the decade?
Because you snooze you lose (and get spoiled)
Do yourself a favor and get the fuck out of this thread until you're done with chapter 2
Would you clap?
youtu.be
Kris vs Frisk is like Batman vs Superman. The question is if Kris gets time to plan
in my opinion the more kino route would be for megalovania to start playing, then an in universe speaker playing the music is destroyed and an original song starts playing
Reminder Noelle doesn't get rid of her weakness to mice in Snowgrave. This means if there's a mouse boss in the future she won't be able to beat it.
Susie would blast a heroic remix of her own theme over it
Fuck I NEED the Susie bossfight, the levels of kino would be unparalleled.
Adding onto I just though of something even more insane. In Ch 1 Noelle wanted to go to the Supply Closet with Susie, what if you can have her come along with you? That means she would join you for the Susie and Lancer fight. Where you would tell her to Snowgrave them.
holy based
The game itself internally refers to it as the weird route
WRONG FAGGOT
IT'S CALLED "sideb" JUST AS MUCH IF NOT MORE SO THAN "weird"
Kris and Susie get wasted on moss
According to Toby Fox, you are a 100% True UNDERTALE fan, congratulations.
if there are intentional soft locks you haven't completed the chapter and therefore cannot expect an achievement, retard
obviously not what toby is referring to
Side B has no actual connotation to it whatsoever while weird does have connotations.
what the fuck are you on about
Stupid
yes i will believe a random tweet from a programmer over the holy word of robert j fox
what the fuck do you think "completing a chapter" means
FRIEND turns out to be female
This place would fall apart
If the normal route is about using a simpler meta plane (the dark world) to solve complex issues in the light work, is snowgrave about "flattening" the complex characters into generic RPG archetypes and turning the higher plane (light world) into a game?
The thing could look like a normal cat, but if it's referred in female pronouns, we'll see something, that's for sure.
kris tries to save the holiday spirit
no but really no way in hell we do that. Susie's reaction is perfect though
Huh?
What are you talking about?
Barely any good porn of Queen
This fandom is fucking gay
Sorry anon, you must instead take mountains of gay faggot goat porn and you must like it. Toby made the rules, not us.
probably baked and rebaked by someone else before and part of a theory called something stupid like ''the poopbubble theory'' but:
ever since spat thong showed up i always had the idea that every schizoboss would represent a stage of dealing with grief, kinda nullified given spamton breaks the order in wich they should appear tough
denial: jevil pretends he is still free
anger: schizoboss makes a giant tantrum about not being free, or has gone pure apeshit irrational, trying to bring everything down with hime (?)
bargain: spamton, kind of a given for the dealmaking puppet, tries to find a way to still gain his freedom
depression: schizoboss understands the hopelessnes of the situation, spreads the feeling, maybe tries to make others aware of it?
acceptance: schizoboss knows it will never be free so he lets itself be used as a vessel without fighting back in any way, maybe turning into an avatar for whatever made all of them go schizoid on the first place, husk of a former self
Shadow Crystals are at least partially created by the process of a lightner placing their HOPES and DREAMS into an object/darkner.
Jevil's crystal originally belonged to Seam. It doesn't make much sense for somebody to have been that attached to a single playing card, but it would make sense for a child to be attached to a stuffed animal.
every schizoboss would represent a stage of dealing with grief
The 5 linear stages of grief is a very outdated model so following it strictly would only be formal adherence to convention. Your theory still has a chance
If you were a humanGOD you wouldn't need to worry about this.
The "story is an allegory for the five stages of grief" theory (for literally any story) is just as cliched as the "it was all a dream"
Actually, the stages of grief are widely confused as if they exist and proceed in a linear order. Indeed, grief can go to any stage at any time, so your theory might still have validity yet.
Makes sense. Spamton also found his shadow crystal inside the Mettaton NEO body.
sideb
bedis
bap!s
s!pab
ebdis
isdeb
isbed
debis
bised
Hmm~
Funnily enough Kris gets enough quality porn that I enjoy, but most Frisk and Chara porn is mediocre.
Anger: Hyperdeath Schizo
Depression: Chapter 4 schizo
Acceptance: Chapter 5 schizo or Ralsei.
It doesn't make much sense for somebody to have been that attached to a single playing card, but it would make sense for a child to be attached to a stuffed animal.
Not so long ago, there was a little girl and her name was Toriel...
i do hope to be subverted by the quirkanator 3000, but i wouldn't be surprised if that's the case, chess theory has solid ground to stand on, lord knows what else will once we have at the very least 50% of the total game to work with
turns out ralsei was a giant sentient shadow crystal all this time
This also lines up with the assumption that the chapter 3 schizo is Asriel's unfinished video game.
Deltarune is about "proshipping".
I never see any female Kris porn so I have to assume you're gay.
can't wait to play chapter 3 and 4 and miss 90% of the cool secret stuff because it's fucking impossible to find without backtracking for 10 hours and doing a perfect assfuck trick!
this but unironically
SEX with this specific Chara!
YOU ACCEPT EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS FROM NOW ON
There are three things you should keep in mind IMO
experimenting with new mechanics such as a new spell (IceShock)
Movement during any weird cutscene dialogue (cornering Noelle in the hospital)
Music track resets or anything else "rough"/odd during screen transitions (Egg man)
can't wait for coordinated teams of australian tendies who make it their life mission to spread as many spoilers as they can before the rest of the world gets the game
you're not meant to find everything by yourself in one playthrough
I will just rely on my gamer intellect and anything I miss I will just say it's non canon instead.
CH1 gives you starwalker, CH2 gives you the car npc in your castle town, wonder if the rest will be the same
yeah i know, but replaying a whole chapter (and more) to see 1 different thing feels like diminishing returns...guess that's why it's 3 savefiles, le good route, le bad route, and experiments/backups
One of the craziest things about Deltarune is that a significant part of the fanbase has 0 interest in doing Snowgrave stuff. The base game is so good that the schizo boundary breaking secret route that recontextualizes major elements of the game is optional icing on the cake
I wouldn't say zero interest. I won't do it myself but i'll watch someone else do it out of morbid curiosity
When should I start replaying Chapters 1 and 2? I think I already have a save set up, especially since we know teas don’t carry over, but it’s been a while.
wonder if we're gonna get another callout to stream/playtrough viewers like flowey does in the genocide route new home
i'm gonna try to speedrun CH1 and 2 the moment 3 and 4 come out because i can't trust toby with making the save system actually work
I got bored at work
Mondays don’t exist where you’re going
damn everyone is skilled. drawing eludes my small brain and uncoordinated hand.
I must be a genuine contrarian here for thinking fucking an actual cat-shaped cat is worse than fucking an anthro cat
you VILL make ze absolutely bogshiten doodlez and we VILL love them
no that's correct
I want Gothfield-Friend
You're not, but its funny and I'll take zoophiles OCs anyday over boring zoomer wojack garbage.
5/6/7 writing is going to lib out in reaction to Trump. But 3/4 will be relatively conservative because it was written during Biden admin
JoJo’s
Nice to know I’m not the only person who can see we’re getting Stone Ocean’d
I don't care either way. got plenty of biped cat monsters so another quadruped one isn't going to hurt.
the doodles. they hurt to look at.
Where is Grillby? Is he safe? Is he alright?
The most I can see is maybe SOME vague parallels with the mayor and Trump, but it'll probably be in jest mostly. Like imagine Carol being really into hair spray or committing a lot of adultry.
getting milked in san's basement's
'Sans
sounds hot
Walked outside on a rainy day.
Poor bastard.
Sans killed him and took his bar.
hey guys its SANESSSSS!!! bad tom!!! DONT TOUCHA DA CHILD!!!! XDDD
so delta rune is a prequel
gaster is the end game
what if the machine in the garage is just an automatic milker
Deltarune is a prequel
W.D. Gaster started in Undertale working before Alphys was hired.
2016 SOVL.
it was, and still IS, funny.
Stable time loop. Gaster has always been in deltarune and in undertale simultaneously
Does Gaster approve of weird route or no?
Doesn't want weird route to happen
Okay with killing Berdly for power to achieve some greater goal but doesn't care about sexually harassing Noelle
Actively wants Kris to sexually harass Noelle
I think he's just curious. I believe Deltarune's world is either subject to his experiment or is his experiment.
Yes but only because it's interesting.
He put it (and the other secrets) in the game to keep the player engaged and Determined(tm) to see all the game has to offer. Deltarune is a DT extraction machine.
gaster existed in toberto's head before deltarune (gaster shaped tumor)
Deltarune is a DT extraction machine.
All DT will be used in the sequel UNALTERED to save the world
KINO KKKIIIINNNNOOOOOO
You can't get the Egg in the Weird Route. He dislikes it.
i doubt it
in undertale, doing a genocide run sets your FUN value to 0
in deltarune, you can't find the man behind the tree during weird route
talking about gaster is like trying to trap a fart in a basket, but i don't think he's in on the killing people boat
Door
Maybe he's being cautious? Interested, but keeping his distance from the player as to avoid possible harm.
They're different gasters anon; it's not HIM, it's ANOTHER HIM.
I completely trust WD Gaster more than any character and i will follow any clear instruction from him to the letter.
WELL THAT MEANS I WON ALREADY
I get that is image is mostly a joke, but people who think that everything in Deltarune is inspired by or deliberatley paralell to Homestuck, or that it is/will be filled with Homestuck references are reaching hard.
Toby's been disancing himslef from Homestuck hard since Undertale's success. As far as I'm aware the last time he acknowledged the comic or his relationship to it was in this 6-year-old tweet for the 10th anniversary, which seemed deliberatley neutral on his feelings towards the comic besides that it was formative for him.
imagine him like a scientist, and the player as an an wild animal/entity trapped inside a box he built/oversees
if you gave it a kitten and whatever is inside that box you wouldn't mind cuddling and petting it you may lower your guard to check it as whatever that thing in the box is seems to be friendly and willing to play along
if that thing inside the box rips the kitten in half and eats its organs while using the pelt as a hat and the head as a football you're not gonna try to stop it, but it's not like you're enjoying it, would rather have it pet the kitty instead
red herring
The only way to resolve this without proshipping is Krusie + Ralelle.
Ralsei alluded to killing berdly in chapter 2
He just shat his pants
Imagine some guy just walks into the store and asks to hang out with your brother
is papyrus supposed to be some kind of old school retard hidden away in an attic by his family
see brother now
''hey, kiddo, fuck off''
Thats assuming he's a nice guy. Nice people don't mindbreak other people for "research"
The reason it takes ten years to make a Deltarune chapter is that Toby is passing over the script ten thousand times trying to make sure he thinks of everything
Beta Papyrus was a NEET, DR Papyrus is probably a depressed NEET
Most likely he is shaken after he had to leave Undertale universe behind and the only friend he brought over with himself went missing. Namely, he was snooping around in school closet and fell under influence of a Dark Fountain.
Wait, Undertale can't be after Deltarune. Undertale Papyrus doesn't know what a human looks like. If DR Papyrus ever meets Kris he'd know what a human looks like.
Sans just moved in right? So that's why Papyrus is not in school?
Also I'm surprised I've never seen anyone speculate that Papyrus will be a major weird route victim.
Papyrus is Undertale has an ambiguous age. If you told me he was a teen, I would probably believe you. It could be Papyrus is being homeschooled or has yet to be part of the local public school.
Think about it this way: the only reason sans was nice to you AT ALL in UT and didn't murderhobo your ass is because he agreed not to.
He has no such agreement in DR. He has no reason to be nice. He has no reason not to kill you. Why the fuck would he let you see his brother?
He also doesn't know what the sun is
I don't care for Ralsei being Flowey in specific, but it would be a truly psychotic twist if Ralsei was in effect a Lightner and the way he reached Susie and Kris in chapter 2 was that he simply left the school closet and walked over to the library. I don't think that's going to happen but it would be funny.
Anon he's being a good guardian, some fucking kid the town collectively agree's is a freak is asking about his brother that he hasn't even introduced anyone to yet, you don't let a guy that persistent hang out alone with him
Papyrus is a notorious liar. The only reason to trust him at all is because he is well-intentioned to a fault.
Ralsei is the knight.
And Sans can't be grieving for years over people he had spent a week with. And Sans' store has Grillby's sign scratched over, not the other way around. Basically, "Deltarune is prequel" is a wishful thinking by retards who were so poisoned by post-modernism that they actually want an ending where world is destroyed no matter what and all your efforts are meaningless.
This is true, but his lies are usually easy to detect. He's not a subtle person and the stuff he pulls in the pacifist route I'm was partly under the guidance of Flowery.
Sans would not let him lie to him about not knowing what a human looks like. I don't remember the context of this, maybe he was lying to Undyne in which case it's fine. But I'm pretty sure he brings it up multiple times that this whole human thing is new to him.
apply chara logic to it, (you)'re the one that actually did it
Are you guys forgetting that if you talk to Sans in chapter 1, he himself brings up setting you up to hang out with Papyrus?
Even if you're kinda weird in your response timing or you insinuate you already know Sans, he is willing to set you two up.
It's if you walk by him in ch1 and talk to him in the store for the first time and bring up his brother that he asks how you know.
Ch1 Kris is weird but still just a kid in Sans' eyes and not a threat. If they're good to hang out with his weird brother than Sans must be pretty alright with a Kris.
I didn't do shit to Jevil/Spamton
can be gay for Asriel AND Ralsei without having to cheat on one
You know how many UTfags would absolutely eat this up?
He has no such agreement in DR. He has no reason to be nice.
He is going to be Kris's stepdad if he wants to pick the Toriel route in the dating sim of life.
Add not talking to Sans until the last chapter to the "things to do in a new save file" checklist
I joked about the game having a subtextual incest angle between Asriel and Kris, but I think that might be an actual point of contention if Asriel is indeed Ralsei considering all the gay stuff you can do with Kris to him.
The Knight was more than likely hiding in the closet in Chapter 2 so it can't be anyone seen there (Kris, Berdly, Ralsei, Susie, Noelle)
Imagine the seethe if the knight is a lightner we've never met or heard of.
he's probably crazy as shit
i mean, having an outsider perspective to literal entire timelines and universes would probably do that to you, how can he honestly care about you fucking with some girl and making her kill a bird
Yeah, but you will cheat on Adult Asriel from this universe.
I’m almost certain that Berdly is going to have some big moment in a later chapter that just won’t happen in the weird route. So instead of just being genocide 2.0 the weird route might be more about intentionally trying to break the plot. Some of that might be bad, some
There's gonna be a point where you have to reload the save multiple times to prove to Sans Deltarune that you're a time traveller and that's how he'll finally give you the keys to Papyrus's room.
Ralsei could be the one hiding in the closet, he has no alibi if the fountain was made before Kris wakes up.
It's been theorized that Gaster fell into his own machine on purpose rather than as an accident, perhaps as an attempt at suicide.
Could the same be true of Dess falling into the depths?
Genuinely crazy people are usually not more of danger relative to other people. Often times, they're more vulnerable to harm than the other way around. Kris and the player in this case could be the manipulative and immoral parties in this equation while Gaster himself, while insane, means well
all the gay stuff you can do with Kris
Come on, you are just hugging him, what's wrong with hugging your bro?
They literally walk out of the school dark room at the start of ch2 and walk directly to the library after Ralsei waved them off at Castle Town. You need to replay to jog your memory anon
everyone knows good siblings cum inside eachother!
Domestic abuser repents at confession and goes right back to doing it
Pretty accurate to real life.
oniishota makes me uncomfortable
Ralsei goes to the librarby during class
hides in the closet
class ends, Berdly and Noelle go to the librarby
Ralsei makes the fountain
rushes back to the school dark world
Kris wakes up
It's technically doable
insane but actually helpfull & friendly gaster is something i want to see, schizoboss that actually tries to do things right instead of some shellfish reason
what's the current path of least resistance to the cyberworld fountain being created?
Chapter's Schizo boss is much easier than a random teacup ride
What did Tobias mean by this?
Even if take into account Ralsei is probably aware that the player is mostly responsible for all the affectionate actions Kris can do, it would be weird how he's not more heistant about it if he's actually Asriel. Asriel doesn't seem to be set up as some master class tier liar, so it would seem weird to me if he was somehow able to merely pretend all those reactions. An abusive Asriel could be an interesting route writing wise, but that seems way out of left field and would be highly controversial for reasons that should be obvious to everyone. At most, Ralsei might be a kind of clone of Asriel. It would make sense why whenever Ralsei does the "Do you wonder" thing, Kris seemingly can go along with it and I could see Kris pretending it's not Asriel for the sake of Asriel/Ralsei. Yet, if Kris somehow knew it was their bro, wouldn't their tea value towards Ralsei be much higher since they seem to have a high opinion of Asriel? I suppose you can say Kris is actually much more conflicted about his relationship with Asriel, but it doesn't seem to add up, unless Kris or some other can somehow manipulate the tea valu to make it seem like some other thing.
I dunno why, but this artist's entire body of work consists of adult Asriel molesting Chara or Kris.
That he actually hates tea.
i tried to tell them how the world actually works and they just went crazy! can you believe that?
but that seems way out of left field
Would it really? We have already seen Asriel at his worst. Hell, we spend a whole game with him.
A moral Gaster is probably trying to get help or to cultivate a non Goner agent, but he keeps failing. It must be something pretty important if a good Gaster is willing to risk innocent people over and over again to madness.
Asriel at his worst was literally deprived of a soul and the ability to feel love. DR Asriel very clearly loves his sibling.
The idea is that Darkner programming had overwritten Flowey's memories, but it didn't brought back Asriel's memories either (or wiped them too if they were shared), it merely made his old personality resurface, because he has soul now. He is still not entirely gotten hang of his newfound empathy either, he's just trying to be nice by the book.
And Flowey was still overly attached to Chara despite lacking a soul.
remember that one thing he does rarely if you choose to not think about what susie and noelle are doing