Gen 1, psychic type is broken as hell, no real counters except bugs with meme attacks

Gen 1, psychic type is broken as hell, no real counters except bugs with meme attacks

Gen 2, splits special into sp. atk and sp. def, introduce dark and steel just to nerf psychic, EVs, held items, and breeding mechanics added

Gen 3, abilities introduced to buff or counter specific strats, natures, and proper IV mechanics, some mon are now viable only because of the change

Gen 4, physical/special split literally saves entire species, suddenly gengar can throw shadow ball like michael jordan

Gen 5, 150 entirely new mons, tm/hm system reworked to make competitive building easier, dream abilities shoots blaziken to fucking rayquaza tier

Gen 6, fairy type to kill dragons, mega evolutions added for pvp power spikes

Gen 7–9, easy iv hyper training, exp share is now mandatory, designed so players can skip the extended tutorial and go straight to pvp

Pokemonfags refuse to touch pvp yet complains the game is braindead easy, instead they resort to romhacks and self-imposed "challenges" like nuzlockes and randomizers

Why are they like this?

Same with fighting games - as a casual player, your enjoyment of PvP gameplay is dependent on who is on the other side of the cable. Look at it like a newbie who finished the arcade modes of fighting games or singleplayer pokemon.
You can get paired with a sperglord who built a satanic rgb altar of a PC, sacrificed years of life and personal hygiene to learn what "+1 on block" means and will use that forbidden knowledge to stomp you with a press of a button and you will be able to do nothing.
In pokemon it will be niche items/abilities and decades of inbreeding for natures, max ev/ivs to "no u" anything you can do.
There is a mental canyon between normal progression gameplay where you level up to get by and LV100 fight club where you need to git gud.

Do you enjoy any singleplayer games that have fixed challenges that get progressively harder like action or puzzle games? That's what casual pokemon fans want.
Why would you play pokemon if you're a PVP extreme challenge type gamer?

the thing is regular online battles in Pokemon aren't like playing fightan online. the overwhelming majority of players you meet in battles are little kids with garbage teams you can roflstomp with basic type chart knowledge. fighting games by contrast are almost exclusively played by sweatlords, by design. the likelihood of meeting a scrub in a random match is a lot smaller

RPG fans want an RPG

woah

I want this PVE campaign to be a bit more involved

WELL WHY DON'T YOU PLAY PVP THEN HUH

tourneyfags truly aren't people

People STILL think that Game Freak is competent/cares enough to balance the game.

That's cute.

Pokemon PVP is simply not fun.

Because its fucking busywork at the end of the day, no matter how easy you make it. There's no skill to be expressed in just getting your mons together in the first place. And people also want to use pokemon other than the designated 20 or so that are viable at high level comp play without getting completely blown out.

They are straight up making a battling only pvp game to remedy this. It's even on mobile which will attract all the normies who otherwise would never touch pvp.

That's against other players. Against an AI, pretty much every Pokemon is viable. Just look at Rom Hacks like Radical Red.

Current meta is pretty shitty, and it's going to have lasting effects even in the next gens because of the powercreep.
I play PvP from time to time in older gens though, and with that said

no real counters except bugs

Bugs aren't a counter to anything in gen1, you use Normal types to deal with Psychic. The only thing they can't stop is Mewtwo, but that's because it's a huge statwall.

who in their right mind made most gen 1 part poison even the types whose sole existence was to counter psychic types?

I haven't played since gen 6 because I didn't like how the demo for S/M set the games up and it's appeared low quality since then but these were my issues at the time and why I didn't do pvp outside of friends.
Playing against people becomes boring because my opponent is likely to be some meta cunt that ensures the battle is as unfun as possible whilst using 6 of the 30 "viable" monsters out of the 800 that are available.
I'd rather they put more time into the ai of trainers to use more strats than [random move] and sometimes healing at >50% health.
Random trainers having more than 2 pokemon on average would be fantastic.
There's very few curveball fights, nothing surprising happens that makes you take a different tactic. At best its the case you haven't seen something before but can easily work its typing out because its covered in leaves or the trainer is a called "Psychic wanker Dave"

gen 1 typing is just weird all over

poison tacked onto everything. nearly every grass is part poison, including the starter

bug and ghost have no real attacking moves

no pure flying, ghost, ice, or rock types

normal type attacks fucking everywhere

gen 6 is when we finally got easy 6ivs and easy EV training

gen 6 is the start of never getting a battle frontier again

dream abilities shoots blaziken to [FANFIC META]

lol

psychic are weak to bugs but don't have strong offensive moves

weak to ghost but are part poison

lmao Dragon Rage

complaining about game freak in current year should be considered too late to do so when the writing was already on the wall with their first release of pokemon

Scyther and Pinsir exist

Normal/Fighring-type moves

Gen1 Psychic are immune to ghost.
Not that it matters, your only relevant move is Lick

still baffles me they don't so pure flying types except for maybe 2 out of 1000 also making all rocks be ground type like for what reason?

I'd rather play something like PokeMMO where I get the whole sandbox of catching, training, breeding, trading, and the main game isn't 100% braindead before I get my team established

G1 pokemon was an RPG first and foremost. PvP battles weren't even added until late in development. Red and Blue were structured very much like a traditional JRPG with boss characters and party checks, with the ability to catch and use monsters as your party being an extension of the monster collecting minigame in DQ5, the expansive party character selection options in the SNES Fire Emblem and FF games, and less directly the monster class in SaGa.

Dragon Quest Monsters is a better PvP monster catching game than Pokemon which says a fucking lot.

random japanese dev casually takes all the mechanics in pokemon and shows how to design a proper rpg around them

no one has heard of it

feels awful man

This fucking game will be the next slop that makes 50 million a month like Pocket does.

What did he mean by this

Well, technically 5 but BW2 had a metric fuck ton of battle facilities and content

Why do you keep on shilling this shovelware?

Maybe if people knew about it, there'd be a slim chance of someone aping its design for a monster collecting game and redefining the genre.

If only I had some sort of single player content I could use my EV trained pokemon on...

At least put the game's name in the filename.
I know it's enchant farm, but not everyone will be able to discover a RPG maker game easily.

If I only wanted to play PVP, I'd just go on Showdown. Why the fuck would I pay $60 + DLC + NSO tip just to play multiplayer, except it still takes more effort than just going to a simulator?

there'd be a slim chance of someone aping its design for a monster collecting game and redefining the genre.

Why would anyone want to? It's just your average barebones turn based RPG.

Pokemonfags refuse to touch pvp

What is Showdown?

What is VGC?

PWT was better than Battle Frontier

Subhuman autist takes a doofy creature collecting game for 10 year olds way too seriously for the express purpose of making any multiplayer encounter as miserable as fucking possible

Hey how come nobody wants to play with me? :(

We introduced Bug type Fire Blast

and made it exclusive to one pokemon

and the pokemon is weak to Psychic

enjoy your shitty ass Fury Cutter, losers

WHY IS PSYCHIC SO OVERPOWERED QUICK INVENT TWO WHOLE NEW TYPES JUST TO NERF IT

The Psychic type counter was supposed to be ghost but not only it's glitched to make them immune instead, your ghost moves in gen 1 are also shit.

I have no idea what the point of the history lesson was or how it relates to you whining about people who want the games to be more difficult but I have very little interest in the competitive scene because I do not want to deal with stall.

hurr durr stall doesn't work in the off-

I do not care about 2vs2 battles. The gimmick battle types are okay as an occasional thing but I will not play it as the main format.

All GF had to do is add challenge mode from BW2 to the 3D generations and everybody would've been happy.

shovelware

You're retarded.

Also this is like, a cancer that's in EVERY multiplayer game right now, but still you faggots know what you're doing.

You can have more than one counter to a Type.

It's shovelware anon.

PVP isn't fun and the game IS braindead easy when all you do is complete the campaign (which is what 99% of players do). Instead of adding all this insane behind-the-scenes complexity they should've improved the part of the game that fucking matters.

Damn you're retarded.

exp share is now mandatory, designed so players can skip the extended tutorial

Then why are the games full of RAILROADED UNSKIPPABLE TUTORIALS?!

They aren’t, gen 8 actually gives you balls right away and skips the catching tutorial if you use them before the tutorial is set to occur

Shovelware is cheap, low quality vidya churned out to make a quick profit.
Shilling is pretending to be an enthusiastic customer to encourage others to buy something.
Enchant Farm is a free game. By definition, it can neither be shovelware nor shilled.

They aren’t

Are you retarded? The last several generations have been plagued by unskippable cutscenes stalking you around every corner. The main purpose of most of these is to hold your hand. That's a tutorial.

tutorials

cutscenes

Not the same thing words have meanings

PvP faggots should rope

designed so players can skip the extended tutorial and go straight to pvp

Gen 7

Lol
Lmao even

That's exactly why pvp on the main games are dead as fuck. They expect way too much effort from a player just to BEGIN to play pvp. Everyone is praying that Champions ends up an official version of Showdown.

I wonder if this becoming the official pvp platform will prompt them to do more involved stuff in the mainline games. I wouldn't be mad if htey were all more like Legends instead of what they are now.

Champions is a side thing to test impossible scenarios like megas vs Dynamax it’s not replacing VGC

he thinks these things are mutually exclusive

Yep, you're retarded.

official natdex AG simulator

Damn that would be cool actually.

Month of May is going kinda fast, it’s already the 13th sheesh

They could easily have different modes where one is VGC (same mons, gimmicks, and rules as the current gen game). It's compatible with Home so anything is possible.

Why’d you say tutorials if you meant cutscenes…?

See

Because competitive battling is TOO HARD!!!!

This will die so quickly when smogonfags abandon it because singles without clauses and bans are utterly unfun cancer and normalfags realize they hate PvP

combines the drawn out matches solved at minute 1 from LoL

with the 1v1 ego sweating of fightan

and the character buildup and attachment of Souls

all with the easily mathematically solveable meta from deckbuilders

and as a cherry on top, puts dicerolls on functionally fucking everything

There's a reason there's only a couple thousand hyper artists who play pvp despite the games selling 10s of millions of copies.

Competitive Pokémon is retarded and the complete opposite of what people like about Pokémon.

a couple thousand hyper artists

Could be bigger

Can't wait for smogonfags to get btfo when people would rather play with overpowered singles mons than their shitty ban heavy fanfic format.

There's zero chance this survives with the hardcore crowd if they don't basically copy Smogon's bans. Baton Pass alone would break it.

Natdex AG was popular enough on showdown before revive cats happened.

Shovelware isn't defined by making money, it's defined by the low quality. Most shovelware back in the day for instance used to be on free discs or were shsreware.
Also being free doesn't mean it can't be shilled since once again it's not defined by money but by the act of forced promotion.

Nobody cares about a handful of fat fucks who do nothing but play stall teams on a fanfic meta 24/7. The main competitive modes will obviously be doubles.

It’s not going to be 6v6 singles, Gamefreak does not give an iota of a fuck about that

Wrong on both accounts.

Fortnite can't be shilled because it's free

Bros... Tim can't keep getting away with it

The main competitive modes will obviously be doubles.

There is no way you won't have singles be a main mode next to doubles, and even then it's not like Doubles doesn't have its own team comp issues that everyone will run if they don't put bans in place.

I have a gut feeling Showdown will finally get the proverbial axe because of this piece of shit.

if they don't put bans in place.

They will likely have rotating batches of legal pokemon. Champions won't be forced into being stuck with whatever dex the current gen has.

There will be 3v3 singles with a time limit just like the games but that isn’t like Smogon

can't grasp anything between braindead handholding and competitive sweats

exp share is now mandatory

There's quite literally no way to defend this.

Lists a bunch of mechanical refinements to the game

These make a game better and more complex overall, but have nothing to do with whether or not someone touches PvP. The draw for PvP vs PvE is totally different. PvP also additionally involves an entirely different skillset and psychological profile. Some of the fiercest PvP games are also either completely unbalanced or broken mechanically.

And if we are mad at PvE players for not engaging with complexity and difficulty, there already exists post game battle facilities that serve that function in a PvE sense.and benefit from all the mechanics you mentioned.

Play Xenoblade X remake

they changed it so characters not in your party get xp

absolutely nobody complains

It’s literally ONLY Pokemon fags who think the game would be better if you were only encouraged to use (max active battle party size) characters

Except for the fact that almost every rpg works like that.

levels and party members

mattering in XCX

Also yes, Pokemon isn't balanced around EXP share, that's the issue.

The funny thing is, who exactly was clamoring for the game designed as a 6 niggas in a row, with you only having the singular nigga to a row because it was a gameboy game, still, after all these years making you grind out each cunt individually?

Pokemon is balanced to be easy, they’re not designing a game around a feature they no longer allow you to toggle off as being off

It went from easy enough to genuinely braindead though

Xenoblade X doesn't have PvP and adding exp does not speed up game progression.

It's a crime that you can't level down like in 1DE, though.

Literally why wouldn't it be 6v6 singles
This company doesn't even remember making 2v2 battles

It will absolutely have ways to get pokemon without using the main games. Champions is on mobile so there has to be some way for mobile kiddies to play without owning a Switch.

This company doesn't even remember making 2v2 battles

Anon, not only was the last dlc for SV almost exclusively doubles, VGC uses doubles.

Why would anyone use anything other than their favorites?

To see what they do and how they perform
Who the fuck plays a game with hundreds of party members and doesn’t experiment honestly

muh fire+water+grass+bird+pseudo legendary+ghost team

Human fighter tier shit

Play against braindead AI that barely ever swaps and just clicks moves based on what deals the most damage

Or play against people who are looking up usage statistics and formulating VGC teams based on the latest national tournament results using only the same small pool of absolutely broken pokemon with the same moves and perfect IVs/EVs they probably got from hacking in the mons anyways

How about Gamefreak just adds a hard mode? They literally make different levels of trainer AI, so bump up the level for most of the trainers/gym leaders, bump up their levels, reduce experience gain from wild pokemon, and preferably add one or two pokemon to each gym leader so you're actually facing teams of 6 before the fucking Champion.
Pokemon is primarily enjoyed as a single player RPG and the competitive aspect is a single digit percentage of players. The actual state of the RPG is horrible and has gotten worse over time.

Sometimes you might want to catch mons designed to counter certain boss trainers. But that only happened in older games when they were still difficult enough to warrant that.

They can't do a hard mode because "hard" to the beggars is basically "unfair" where the only way to succeed is to cheese it.
At that point, it defeats the purpose.

Because metagaming in Pokémon is autistic and unfun as hell. Fuck that.

95% of the game is played in single battles with only a few double battle trainers and maybe one double battle gym leader

Every online mode, tournament, format and game is played in doubles

This never made any sense to me. Pokemon should just make doubles the primary game mode. The game is obviously built around it.

Don't listen to the retards who want romhack kaizo nuzlock tier difficulty. I think having a normal and hard more would honestly solve a lot of complaints about the game that people have. Pokemon is, hilariously, a game that relies HEAVILY on nostalgia for marketing and sales yet just makes itself easier with each entry. Do they want to attract old fans with Gen 1 pokemon or not? Because people who who are old enough to have played gen 1 are gonna find the modern games boring as shit in terms of difficulty.

Pokemon is for casuals. People do Nuzlockes not because it's challenging rng shit but because you can lose one of your favorite pokemon in a bad call. Not because his defense wasn't high enough. But because that pokemon was important to them one way or another.
Pokemon fans are casuals. Is that simple. The same logic applies to the TCG. Pokemon fans don't play TCG they like their favorite characters and pokemon in cardboard. I don't understand why this is hard to grasp.

Why is Azumarill so strong in emerald? I'm just playing it now.

Not enough powercreep yet, having 100 effective attack unless your ability is suppressed and enough bulk just werks.

It's because if they make the games too good then the genwunners will be alienated.

Gen one is a buggy mess but it actually feels like a game for all ages. The new games feel aimed at little kids. I can see a Japanese salaryman and his son playing Gen one together. An adult playing the new games is kind of embarrassing because they treat you like a retard. Maybe they toned it down, but I remember in Sun & Moon the game stopped every 30 seconds to have a character talk to you like it was a kid's show.

Introduce a legendary pokemon that is literally God

Continue to introduce new pokemon as if anything could measure up to that

People begged for a pokemon game with story
They gave them the pokemon game with story
They proceeded to complain

They can't do a hard mode because "hard" to the beggars is basically "unfair" where the only way to succeed is to cheese it.

They already did a Hard mode in BW2. You don't need to go to the full retard levels these awful romhacks go to that are designed around one viable strategy and RNG, just make gyms use 6 Pokemon, IV train Pokemon somewhat for the E4 and last four gyms, and give everyone held items. That's all you have to do. People were completely fine with PLA's ending fights and actively praise it because it's been the first time in years the series has been difficult.

Dialogue is not a story
Characters giving you extended tutorials is not a story
Pokemon DOES need a story. The problem is that the company doesn't know how to make one. The modern games are a series of tutorials between gym battles and introductions of the box legendaries + gen gimmick. The older games were mostly nothing. Emerald might be the most complete story? Even then the whole Magma vs Aqua thing is very much in the background compared to the gym badge stuff.

dialogue is a story

IV train Pokemon somewhat for the E4 and last four gyms

The "IV train" part aside, don't they already give mons with high IV to those? I remember it was a thing in gen4 E4 at least.

We're having a dialogue right now. Put that shit on a cart and charge $80 for it.

Actual Pokemon games:

Easy as shit since they are made for 3 year olds

Pokemon fangames

Made for mega nerds who played this shit for 25 years straight

How about something in the middle?

Poorfag detected

Yeah there is one in your house

resort to romhacks

You mean just play the game but with the shit you always wanted to begin with, like rebalanced pokemon, availability of pokemon from both versions and generations after your favorite region, and extra post-game content?

the overwhelming majority of players you meet in battles are little kids

This is only a plus for you.

There are plenty of romhacks that are in the middle, most are.

The last games were three separate stories that all came together for one stupid finale though?

There are plenty of romhacks that are in the middle, most are.

Such as?

inclement emerald on normal mode

a couple thousand hyper artists

How big do they draw Lucario's cock?

having 100 effective attack

Technically higher since your IVs and EVs are also doubled

pvp is for gay retards

Read what its ability does.

Psychic was broken

ok, and? Fairy is even more fucking broken and that type's fully legit

It's not broken, but is also makes Psychic very redudant.

exp share is now mandatory

Glad i jumped ship after the shitshow that was X/Y. Seems it was only downhill from there

It's a modern pokemon entry so its chances to be good are somewhere between "nil' and "fucking lmao" but it'd be nice if it actually WAS solidly built and DID take off because smogayfags are abject losers and deserve their L

Yellow Advanced
Crystal Clear
Blazing Emerald
Platinum Refined
Heartgold Rebalanced

I haven't fucked with much past gen 4 but I've got a bunch downloaded from gen 5 and after that I'll try out eventually. I just play a romhack of an old game every year or so when I feel the urge to play a pokemon game.

Imagine how fat mays already big chest gets when she’s pregnant

play pokemon pvp

have a miserable time

Why would anyone do this?

because back in Pokemania kids didn't care about getting their mons to perfect stats with perfect movesets and "da best team evaaarrrr" was your starter, whatever legendaries you could catch, and some pile of dogshit you found on the side of the road cause you thought it was good

Competitive pokemon is all about abusing metashit. Nothing is fun about that.

I've just been playing Pokerogue lately. It is pretty fun and addicting, but they need to actually get all of the moves/abilities working and I wish they could truncate runs a bit so they don't take forever.

It's minmaxed to hell and back and you can't punch the person who is being a shithead. Online PvP always breaks down when someone can be a shithead for a couple matches and disappear into the ether.

I played that for like half an hour and I just couldn't get into it, and I'm a big rogueslop enjoyer.

competitive pokefags are forever chasing the high of sweeping the gameshark kid at Toys-R-Us with your actually trained Nidoking

Kek sounds about right

It is a lot of fun but you really need to grind a bit to get the candies to make interesting team comps/builds. They did a decent job of taking some of the weaker pokemon and making it so if you get their egg moves and passive they can actually be really strong. Like Mega Beedrill is an actual threat in the game because it has fantastic egg moves and a good passive.
You also definitely need to get some eggs so you can actually hatch fun pokemon instead of it just being the usual trio starters + pidgey and shit.

person who wants Pokemon to be harder has no idea what they’re talking about

And water types are weak to grass types

I have no idea how you're getting that from my response to his question of why anyone would have ever wanted to do pokemon pvp, but ok

I'm pretty sure it was only Cynthia who had perfect IV Pokemon but with neutral natures and no EV investment in the originals. BDSP went overboard though, giving the entire Elite 4 perfect IV spreads, perfect EV spreads, competitive movesets and appropriate held items, so the game went from relatively manageable to downright retarded hard in an instant because you were now competing against perfect Pokemon with your team of shitters.

I had to spam full restores like a child in BDSP because I was fucking around with shitmons my entire playthrough and then suddenly the game whips out baton pass minimize Drifblim and slaps me in the face with its child nabbing cock

Uncalled for combative post, I was just asking whether they already did it because I have heard things like

Cynthia who had perfect IV Pokemon

This one in the past

If back in Pokemania whrn everyone was clueless was the only time it was good, than people playing after are chasing that nostalgia.
THINK NIGGA. THINK

Pokemonfags refuse to touch pvp yet complains the game is braindead easy

i dont like pvp in basically any game
i'd rather gaymefreak make the game actually hard with smart AIs and insane builds

designed so players can skip the extended tutorial and go straight to pvp

i literally just got into an argument with retards yesterday claiming that they still don't accommodate competitive battlers enough. Nevermind the fact that the only thing you have to do to make a full ass competitive team is:

play through the game normally to accumulate resources

catch the specific species you want

maybe catch more if you're autismal and want your special attackers to have a 0 Atk IV and/or you want to make a trick room team with 0 Spd IVs

that's literally it

They removed literally every other roadblock that used to be there.

Egg moves?

Just give the mon you want to teach the egg moves a Mirror Herb and have another Pokemon with the egg moves in your party.

EV training

The game showers you in vitamins and stat feathers, and they removed the cap on how many vitamins you could use on a single stat back in Gen 6. The stat reducing berries are also widely available and easily farmable.

IVs and Natures

Bottlecaps are stupid cheap and are available to buy at the Chansey supply store, as are Mints, and there are TONS of mints just littered throughout the overworld as well. They also lowered the level you have to be at in order to use Bottlecaps from Max to only 50

TMs

Just by playing the game you get LOADS of materials to craft multiple of any TM you want

leveling

There's rare candies and five different varieties of EXP crystal, and there are tons of them just on the ground and you get showered in them by doing raids.

Abilities

Ability Capsules let you switch between the two standard abilities, and Ability Patches let you switch to a hidden ability. Patches are a bit too rare IMO, but they do exist.

You can literally just catch a random wild Pokemon now, and craft it into the optimal build for that Pokemon. But it's still not enough for some of these people because they can't just select everything they want out of a drop down window like in Showdown.

Oh I wasn’t making fun of your post, I was making fun of the tripfag talking about IV training gomen gomen

All pokemon has to do is add a hardmode to their games again.

Gen 4 don't care

Gen 5 don't care

Gen 6 don't care

Gen 7–9 don't care

people who play this shit past the 20"s have some kind of mental illness and go to psychologist

designed so players can skip the extended tutorial and go straight to pvp

lmao, not the case

That's all still slow as shit compared to just fucking with a spreadsheet on a sim. And if you need to adjust a set or try a different mon you have to start from scratch on a new mon.

you have to catch a new monster in a game about catching new monsters

Oh no!

No you don’t there are items to subtract EVs in increments of 10 and other items to subtract 1 at a time.
Is it really reasonable to think a creature raising game is going to let you generate mons in a spreadsheet?

But it's still not enough for some of these people because they can't just select everything they want out of a drop down window like in Showdown.

Some people only want to battle the pokemon, not grind shit out to battle the pokemon, even if the grinding is not as dogshit as it used to be. The same way brewers in digital card games wouldn't want to grind out extra copies of cards if they unlock a full playset, people don't want be faced with the choice of having to grind out 3 or 4 different versions of the same pokemon for slightly different situations or feel like they have a suboptimal pokemon for their team if they settle for one they have. Some people like being able to tweak and try very small changes of things and in this series making a very small change can mean grinding out a separate iteration of that pokemon.

It's not a sim, it's an actual game.

And if you need to adjust a set or try a different mon you have to start from scratch on a new mon.

Unless you need to switch to 0IV mons, no you don't. You can do everything I listed to completely change everything about a mon from Nature, EVs, Abilities, moves, etc. Hell, they even made the move reminder free, AND it remembers egg moves and TM moves now too.

Too bad, so sad. You can do literally all of that if you want to, or you can just catch another mon of the same species and then do that to it instead. The game isn't a fucking spreadsheet and never will be, nor should it be. You have to PLAY THE GAME in order to PLAY THE GAME.

Pokemonfags refuse to touch pvp yet complains the game is braindead easy,

They aren't "pokemonfags". They are casual hoodweeb wengunners who still replay Fire Red over and over in emulator.

always wanted Showdown HD, but the rules won't be creative like having underused pokemon or baby cup

PvP is ass in SwSh and Scat & Vomit

Too bad, so sad.

I'm not the one arguing with people about why pokemon showdown is a bad thing, I just have the level of critical thinking needed to understand why they want the things they want. Go taunt the retards you hang out with if you want to laud how the game is the perfect amount of clunky for PvP battles and how they should mash A X times instead of Y times if they want two gengars at the ready to hotswap in between battles with their friends. Those people are probably just playing showdown anyway so it's a non-issue.

The thing is. Pokemon is a solved game, we know how it works to such a degree that there are damage calcs for every possible scenario. That is pokemon's largest flaw.

I just have the level of critical thinking needed to understand why they want the things they want

Because they're retarded zoomer faggots who want instant gratification and don't understand that a GAME IS A GAME

Mewtwo and Mew were broken but the best type was normal

That's literally every digital game, pseud.

the game is a game

Battling is part of the game, the same way loading screens are. These people just want to play the battling part. That doesn't make them zoomers or gloomers or sloomers, they just know what they want from pokemon and it's that one particular thing. And you're angry at them for it when the changes that you listed are only because the people you call zoomers have been clamoring for such things for years because as you pointed out, there used to be a great many roadblocks. I don't know why you're so angry at these people for demanding the changes that you list as good.

Knowing how much damage you deal doesn't ruin anything.
It's never hidden in board/card games yet people played them long before vidya was a thing.

The games are now worse because of all of those changes, you ignorant retard, I never said the changes were fucking good. It's way too easy to make overpowered shit now and has been since Gen 6. The games are too easy because of the insane level of casualization.

Still slow as shit
Subtract EVs one at a time? Sounds slow as shit. Can you even see how many EVs you have or is it still a crapshoot unless it's 252?

You can do everything I listed to completely change everything about a mon from Nature, EVs, Abilities, moves, etc

if you grinded up the items of course!

Slow. As. Shit.

who want instant gratification and don't understand that a GAME IS A GAME

Argument works for a singleplayer game because there's no competition.
We're talking about PvP though. All that time spent faffing about on the cart you could be spent learning the meta. But you just want justification for wasting your time the "correct" way.

Pokémon PvP effectively has no gameplay
When you get in a match,you can already tell who'll win before any attack is chosen
It's literally just drafting

Can you even see how many EVs you have

Yes, just try to use more of the EV increasing items on the mon than they have EVs left to gain.

slow as shit

clearly hasn’t even played it

Just go back to your precious randbats fucking casual

The games are now worse because of all of those changes

Oh, so you're just a retard then. Next time make sure to tell those people you argued with from the outset that you don't want any of those changes and you want the process to take as long as possible so they can just laugh at you and not bother wasting their time like you did mine.

Still slow as shit

You fucking idiot. Don't ever reply to me again

More accessibility does not make the game better you stupid fucking nigger.

Why are unovafags so terrible at games designed for toddlers?

zoomers have no patience, the thread

Nobody said the old games were hard. They were of reasonable difficulty. Now they're all piss easy and the only excuse for using any of this shit for a real fan is to make it easier. Smogoniggers can have their retarded spreadsheet simulator, let actual Pokemon fans enjoy the actual games.

I did play PvP during 4th gen, but honestly it's too complicated and too much of a time investment, I don't have the patience or the autism anymore. Nowadays I play Pokémon to scratch that itch I get once a year then move on. Maybe I'm getting older and too jadded but competitive games are less and less appealing to me, winning feels meaningless and losing doesn't energize me as it used to. I just don't care.

yes

but actually no

what did he mean by this?

cartshitter calling anyone casual

Don't you have more actual children to battle? Oh wait you're probably still EV training

Not in every case, no. In this case your position is fucking stupid though. A game doesn't get better by having many hourse-long mindless grinds that doesn't engage you in any meaningful way just to get a slightly better stat, but you'll pretend otherwise.
You've had enough (You)s though, retard. Have a nice day and again please remember to say from the outset next time that you want zero convenience features whatsoever so people know now to waste their time with you the way you want to waste your time grinding.

Cha-cha-cha-charizard

Because the "fun" aspect of pokemon was never the battling, which is just the most barebones JPRG combat ever. If you couldn't just speedrun every other encounter by spamming A to actually get to the fun part (meeting and raising fantasy creatures), they would lose half their casual playerbase overnight.
There's still no reason to not simply have a hard mode (that's not locked to NG+), or just more post-game content for autists tho.

>yes

>but actually no

what did he mean by this?

No, it's actually yes you retarded bitch. If I can use 100 of the stat increasing item on a Pokemon, then that means it has 152 IVs in that stat. I can see the amount of IVs needed to max the stat. Literally all you faggots are complaining about is having to play the game.

They were of reasonable difficulty

Why are Unovafags so terrible at games designed for toddlers?

Why are you actually retarded?

>Pokemonfags refuse to touch pvp yet complains the game is braindead easy, instead they resort to romhacks and self-imposed "challenges" like nuzlockes and randomizers

Well putting aside that some like PvE and don't like PvP-
Despite the illusion of making building a team being "easy," you still have to have older Pokemon games and be able to transfer them up to the latest which costs hundreds of dollars if you don't own them already.
It's been a long ask for Gamefreak/Nintendo to provide tooling to be able to build a team from something like PokePaste or just to be able to borrow Pokemon which you can setup ivs, evs, moves, abilities, items, all in a testing environment thats checked for legality and approved by them.
Instead GameFreak/Nintendo, despite having literally made Pokemon Showdown in the past, still think that they'll somehow boost their sales by letting older titles have jacked up prices that the average player can't afford while spending money fighting emulation.
Watch I'm a blissey's videos, he replicates teams of other players and it still takes him several hours just to catch one Pokemon using technically legal RNG Manipulation. And he's fortunate to own the games.
youtu.be/Q6uw0qaubkg

I can see the amount of IVs needed to max the stat

Where, in game, do you see exactly how many EVs you have?

In the fucking bag menu you illiterate retard.

is terrible at games designed for toddlers

”y-you’re the retard not me!”

can't make an actual argument

thinks he has a leg to stand on to call someone else a child

I checked but it's the same chart they used in gen 8 that doesnt actually show a number. Where are you finding exact numbers?

Stadium not Showdown, fuck

why do smogonfags completely forget that nintendo added clauses before they even existed

Nta but you are being retarded, this isn’t a real problem that would stop somebody from playing comp this is just you being an annoying faggot

I need to micro adjust my EVs but I don’t know how many I have

Isn’t something that happens and even if it did you can figure it out relatively easy by saving the game and using berries+feathers to 0

When was that? And how are they doing with pokemon in present day?

bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Rule_variants

Nta

Sure

this isn’t a real problem that would stop somebody from playing comp

Sounds pretty fucking annoying to me

Isn’t something that happens

Tell me you're a braindead 252/252/4 fag without telling me

if it did you can figure it out relatively easy by saving the game and using berries+feathers to 0

Holy fucking tedious, and EVs are the most customizable part of a Pokemon.

can't make an actual argument

I'm not making an argument. I'm laughing at you being terrible at the games.

That certainly answers the question of "how are they doing now", just not in the way you probably wanted lmao

victoryroad.pro/sv-rules-regulations/

Why do they always look like that?

I’m confused what you think the logic and process behind somebody changing their EV spreads is, people don’t just generically go “I need a little more defense” they play a bunch of games and realize they’re losing to one specific move from one Pokemon and have to make a small adjustment. It’s not something that is happening constantly

nerds who autistically get into a hobby look autistic

idk anon, weird to judge since we're both on Anon Babble

You missed my point there but it's fine, my question earlier wasn't information-seeking, it was to lampoon you.

and realize they’re losing to one specific move from one Pokemon and have to make a small adjustment

And the first step is busting open the Showdown Calculator to figure out exactly how many EVs you need to live a nigger punch from coongambo.

Yeah
And then you adjust your EVs and there’s the very slightly annoyance of it not showing you the exact amounts, but it’s relatively easy to figure out. It’s annoying but not worth harping on about like it’s a serious issue, anyone who is that deep into it is already keeping track

Actually anon the first step is to EV train your pokemon to a guesswork value and then see if that particular EV is enough to live that move, and then if you don't live that move then that pokemon is just not useful to you and you start from scratch with a new pokemon. Showdown is for spreadsheet losers please waste more of your time grinding and spend less time practicing and battling. That's what you wanted to do for PVP right? Waste time grinding instead of battling?

Gets the answers they were asking for

Ummm actually it was to own you xD

ok

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're not a complete retard because this is text-only but you really should concede that you're at least half-retarded for thinking I was actually asking for information there and not shitting on Nintendo and you by proxy.

Because 3v3 singles and 4v4 doubles has been the "standard" for official events or online play since 4th gen. Even the proto tournaments from gens 1-3 usually were 3v3 singles. Team preview has been a concept since Pokemon Stadium. It's also better design anyways. In a 6v6 all of your Pokemon need to be generally good in all matchups or they're dead weight. In 3v3 and 4v4 you can have a niche Pokemon that sits on the bench 90% of the time buy is a key counter for certain matchups; by not needing to be viable all the time, it allows for lesser used Pokemon to occasionally shine.

If you're already glued to showdown for calcs might as well save yourself the NSO subscription and just play on there. You can set up pokemon quickly and seemlessly instead of being stuck in an engagement farm where you have to store numbers in your head because QoL is too hard for a billion dollar company to develop.
Exactly anon. Play Pokemon. Stay playing Pokemon. Keep playing Pokemon and buying Pokemon and DLC and online subscription to play Pokemon.

except bugs with meme attacks

Twineedle is pretty good but it's only learned by pic related which is half poison and quite slow, so it's going to get fucked up if it can't KO with one hit

You spent all that time pretending and in the end are just an assmad poorfag my god

Soulsborne isnt the peak of gaming, Jabul

If showdown was paid and cartshit was free I'd still pick showdown because it's the superior way to play pokemon pvp. Feel free to cry more itt about how the literal hours you've wasted training pokemon was totally fun and not tedious at all though.