Deltarune Thread. Discuss your schizo theories which will be disproven in 20 days.
Deltarune Thread
I need the full pic
I pretty much love most anything about these games but does anyone else think Sweet Cap'n Cakes are really fucking boring? I can't explain it but I just think they're goddamn shit.
they also have way too many shitty songs
No thanks.
No point in discussing the same shit over and over and over again.
I'll just wait 3 weeks unless we get something new.
Lick
Lick 2.0
People still think that the Chapter 2 fountain was made during the day despite it being made by The Knight
As far as I'm aware I was the first to come up with the It's a Wonderful Life theory back in 2021
The thing that started it in the first place - the fact that the "goner" concept , and how you see a world without Kris through the shadow glass in the light world, is similar to what happens when George Bailey wishes he was never born at the end of the movie and the ANGEL sends him back so he realizes how important he was to the town.
But then it gets crazier the more you look
christmas movie
Flower petals (Zuzu's Petals) are an important plot device
angels, which are depicted as stars in the intro , and a famous line from the movie's ending is "Every time a bell rings an angel gets its wings" (wingdings)
the main character's brother falls into the ice (parallel with one of the theories about what happened to Dess)
They were also the mascots of the anniversary 2023 status update which had literally nothing except merch and collabs. They are the harbingers of mid.
And their dialogue sucks to read
What happens when Kris Undertale meets Frisk Deltarune?
Bros... that Touhou collab suddenly makes sense.
Lick 3.0
What if FRIEND looks like Klonoa?
files.catbox.moe
No idea who made it
Then it's a shame Benny won't be alive to see it.
Deltarune Thread. Discuss your schizo theories which will be disproven in 20 days.
Mrs.Hollyday is actually the knight, she's trying to bring Dess back.
I will not elaborate further.
KILL YOUR TV
youtube.com
"FRIEND INSIDE ME"
despite this everyone depicts Friend as female and therefore the one who makes others be inside them
Illiterate fandom.
Forgot my image (which I need to update some more.)
No one wants cat dick inside them
speak for yourself
i'd bottom for my cat if i could
you should include a connection between the purple sea and IMAGES_DEPTHS
if only deltarune had an owl character.
I can only imagine animal characters with the matching correct animal genitalia
This is a (You) problem.
Don't be weird
GAAAARFRIEND
I don't wanna wait 21 ore days and 7 hours.
Yeah, I was going to add that since I just started watching The Return for the first time since 2017
we're already two-thirds of the way there, what's a little more WAITing?
KEINE AMNESTIE FÜR (you)r TV
Can't... wait... much... longer...........
Potential evidence AGAINST Kris Knight:
Berdley and Noelle's books were open and arranged on the table, suggesting they were already present when the Fountain was opened, and it's unlikely they'd have opened the door and jumped into the darkness unless it happened to them like Kris and Susie. Queen also states the Fountain was opened "today." Main issue is that this means the Fountain would have been opened while they were there, which is dubious (unless they put to sleep? But that's a massive leap).
It being opened at night is also weird, as Kris can barely move much without the Soul. Him dragging himself across town, breaking in, opening it, and not being noticed is a stretch. The narrative of Card Kingdom also implies the Knight locked away the other Kings.
Neither King nor Queen recognize Kris as the Knight, although Queen does say she didn't really get that good of a glance.
The Knight is referred to as the Roaring Knight. As in, that their agenda is to cause the Roaring. Kris closes the Fountains without our input, however. Moreover, why would Kris install King as the ruler of the Card Kingdom?
It's somewhat unlikely that a major mystery would have a reveal at what's basically the start of the game still (end of Chapter 2), so it's not unreasonable to assume a red herring.
Kris is only shown opening a Fountain after learning how to do so from Queen, though this might just be a coincidence.
Ralsei, who can sense Fountains, doesn't sense the Cyber World Fountain until after school ends. Either it wasn't open or he's in on it.
Kris is shown being afraid of the Grand Fountain, as if he was scared of it and didn't know what it was.
Evidence FOR:
Kris wears knightly attire, has associations with hands in the lore, wields a blade, and the idea of the player character being a potential antagonist is a reasonable enough trope to use for the story.
I love that pic, i demand more from the other characters.
Also artist?
Addition: Getting a game over states the world was covered in darkness, as if the "Roaring Knight" wins and starts the Roaring, so take that as you will.
As for other theories:
Dess: Pretty solid, however, we have seen her calling out in the code and in Spamton's dialogue. She's unlikely to be calling out for help if she's currently active as the Knight unless her cries were old.
Alvin: Also pretty interesting, though so far he likely feels too minor.
Goner Vessel: Also pretty compelling as they have the benefits of Kris without being Kris. Pretty good even if the Oblivion theory is shit.
Papyrus: Would be interesting given it seems Papyrus was underutilized in Undertale compared to Sans and his currently place in the Deltarune story is a complete mystery.
New Character?
I don't know if Kris is Knight, but I'm 100% sure he opened the fountain in computer lab and he did it during night and anyone who thinks otherwise has mental deficiencies.
now i'm not gonna talk about mike. in fact, we're not gonna talk about mike at all, we're gonna keep him out of it
Berdley and Noelle's books were open and arranged on the table
They aren't open, but they are on the table. Then again it's not super strange considering Kris and Susie ended up in the unused classroom from the Grans Fountain.
Guys, you don't get it. There is scene transition between Kris closing the fountain and them getting back to the lab. Kris and Susie just strangled Noelle and Berdly a little to make them pass out, and arranged things like if they fell asleep during studying.
You could remove them entirely from the game qnd nothing would change. Which os bad for how much screentime and even a song they got.
They are filler but very mid filler that overstays its welcome.
Ralsei, who can sense Fountains, doesn't sense the Cyber World Fountain until after school ends. Either it wasn't open or he's in on it.
If you think Ralsei not sensing the dark fountain before you leave the closet after school means that it wasn't open yet it would mean that the fountain would have to have been opened between you leaving the closet and walking to the library.
However we know that the fountain was created before that because the huge traffic jam in town started by the annoying dog who then drove into the dark world. The timings don't match up unless the fountain was created sometime earlier.
I don't know if Kris is Knight
They carry a knife on them at all times and are known to be mischievous, perfect knight stuff there.
THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM?
Deltarune fans are the only ones who could have a neon sign above a character's head saying "THIS CHARACTER IS THE KNIGHT" and still they would make theories about who the knight is.
What do you think the cutscene of kris stabbing himself then being shrouded in dark smoke and "light" represented if it's not opening a dark "something" (doesn't look like a fountain but maybe it's because it was in light world)?
Or you know they were put to sleep by Ralsei with his sleep magic when they were left alone with him while you go to close the fountain.
Kris is the Knight collaborator. Alvin sneaks in at night after Kris tears xer heart out, and then they have bedbreaking sex. Afterwards, Kris sends Alvin on his mission to open the fountains while xhe enjoys a nice pie all to xerself.
3 and 4 are Homestuck references to songs and characters he's associated with such as davepeta and other things
Why is there almost no King fanart?
fanart requires fans
1. fat fuck.
2. boring.
He's only liked by bara fatfags and they have Asgore
But they still had to be tired first, plus my version is cooler. Ralsei had spent time alone with both Kris and Susie away from player, so he had time to give them instructions in advance.
Kris closes the fountain
Ralsei gives Kris and Susie the sign
they both nod knowingly
as darkness stars engulfing them, they pounce on Noelle and Berdly and press on their windpipes
"There, there, don't be scared, it's just sleep apnea"
He's literally made for ugly bastard rape doujins
Finally thank you so much [Friend]
rebuttal: chapter 2 already showed what happens when a puppet's(kris) strings are cut(the soul). You expect me to believe kris managed to hobble his way all the way from toriel's house, to the library, and back? He was struggling just to cut the tires on the car.
Was he struggling? He leaps through the window pretty athletically after doing it.
youtu.be
Has anyone sent fanmail to the undertale or deltarune @fangamer.com addresses?
And if so, didja get anything cool?
It's, like, couple of blocks away and he had all night to him. He cut the tires fast enough for Susie and Toriel to not get too suspicious. They did noticed he was taking too long, but it was "is he jerking off in there?" too long, not "did he fell down and broke his neck over the sink edge?" too long.
Why in the fuckdamn does Toby have to draw from some of the most esoteric nonsense?
Next he'll start quoting the old X-files.
He's fat
He's ugly
And he tried to hurt the Lancer and Susie
King is a shit. A shit!
I finally watched that movie recently. I was surprised the whole "I wish I had never been born" part was so short and at the very end.
Does it really come out in just 20 days
Aw man I'm really gonna have to replay this entire thing in just 20 days it's over
Relive the funi
Delete your snowgrave saves
It just takes a couple days, maybe 3 or 4 if you want to complete 3 save files.
Really REALLY hope I don't have to wait until the very last second to get Chapters 3 and 4 on my Switch. The only version on the Eshop currently is the Switch 2 version, and I would prefer to be able to preload it in some fashion before Switch 2 launch day hits and the servers go down for a week.
What's the best way to occupy those slots anyway?
I'm leaving slot 1 completely empty to continue my nosave "Kris" run, slot 2 is pure pacifist.
Slot 3 is the super canon hug route.
I'd imagine that if you're a real jerk you could have a snowgrave, nosave and pacifist/bully save going.
Honestly you only need multiple saves of chapter 2. Its not like there's any permanent routes in chapter 1 yet.
does the game even save if you did pacifist in ch1 or not?
Sort of. There's likely some unexplored flag that saves if you took down the King by having all his subjects insurrect, but otherwise the difference is just Jevil's equipment.
pic unrelated
part of me wonders if the chapters we get to play are even chronologically linear. Like if timeloop theory is correct, who knows how many 'loops' there are between 1 and 2, or if our 1 actually happened before our 2.
I still swear I remember getting the "Susie talking about meaty candy" dialog in chapter 1 at some point.
that's what i meant
if sparing every enemy sets a flag somewhere in the file, it's possible that'll matter eventually
My saves are:
Pacifist with all recruits and the eggs.
Violent chapter 1/Snowgrave (Sans ignored in chapter 1)
Violent chapter 1/aborted Snowgrave (Sans ignored both times)
Yeah, but only those where he's the one getting raped.
Sans will be extremely suspicious of you, I'd imagine.
I have one imperfect blind playthrough (didnt fight Jevil, Berdly broke his arm) where i act like i think Kris would act over 3 safefiles. I will play on with that one as God intended
do any of you guys have that one savefile checklist?
Friend edit of this
How will Toriel react to seeing Ralsei? Shocked? Happy? Angry? Will she act like he is even barely there like everyone else thus far?
Or will this all be a psyche out and she ends up just sleeping through the whole adventure
He'll dress up as Ralsei negro so she won't recognize him.
Probably sleeping through everything. I imagine the main UT cast will be Town-only. A sort of reward for making it through each Dark World.
Ralsei will put on the hood and just "Act natural". There will be a scene near the end where his hat comes flying off and Toriel sees her son's doppelganger as her other son's idealistic version of her own son.
Quoth the goat lady,
"Kris... I apologize, I did not know just how alone you truly were until now."
Asriel is actually also a human, so no reaction
She'll have some sort of reaction. Ralsei is a near identical doppleganger of a younger asriel visually.
Or will this all be a psyche out and she ends up just sleeping through the whole adventure
this would be ass. she's right there with kris and susie.
How about you boot up paint.net and do it yourself
It's hard to use on a phone
Apparently the last time I played Deltarune was on November 27, 2022. Definitely due for a replay I think.
Thread is too slow and boring, let's inject some politics and shipping into it.
Krusiechads and Kriselle Connoisseurs, I've recently noticed trend of people here acting like we're some kind of Anon Babble chuds who hate Suselle just because it's lesbian (even though it's technically less progressive because Kris is enby while Noelle and Susie are both cis), so just for the clarity let's see - are there any homosex ships in the game that you WOULD accept? Personally, I wouldn't mind Catelle, though it does sounds like a boring cop-out, and I'll accept Aldyne on one condition only - if Undyne ends up as Susie's mother (either through "Alphys is Susie's mom" theory or they just take the custody away from her evil bike-eating dad).
I would rather have the thread die than this garbage
Kris is a he.
Kris is a dude.
The game is set up to track all kinds of things, like spared enemies, pacified enemies, enemies that the gang tries to kill, enemies that the gang ACTUALLY kills, shit like that. Rather than setting a specific flag, it might just check to see what you did in regards to enemies in chapter 1 and use that to decide in chapter 2.
The number of times these things done to enemies, rather.
I tried on the phone
God, I wish some autist would dissect save files already, I want to know what's being tracked in there.
Practically every dialogue choice is tracked.
Weird fucking FRIEND
That they're tracked doesn't mean they will matter. Toby is just fucking with us.
i fucking knew it. damn it all why force me to choose between giving susie and ralsei the present
Oh boy, now I wonder if it will be fine to hug Ralsei in my repeat playthrough.
I wish I had a real-life temmie
While Ralsei's option is by far the funniest, Susie is the one who actually keeps it, so I guess there's no contest.
it's not him keeping it. it's his reaction to receiving it for me. For all i know ralsei will make his own room with stuff up stairs.
No wonder each chapter of Deltarune is taking an average of 2 years of development, if there are flags in the code for LITERALLY EVERYTHING
["kills", "Total number of enemies you killed for realsies. Includes SnowGrave and killing Pipis."]
The Pipis COUNT???
Hmm
Hmmmmm
HMMMMMMMMMM
Definitely an important read before the repeat walkthrough.
Nah, I think it's normal. The game needs to save the status of each chest - whether you opened it already or not, and stuff like that.
Imagine if Deltarune Asriel is just Flowey
You guys don't give it to Burghley?
It's a meme option for streamers to pogchamp at.
I did it, that's one of the reasons why I want to replay the game.
Reminder that this is the shit people are talking about when they say that
Deltarune is way too expansive in scope for a Gamemaker game
They're good for world building desu.
From Noelle's blog Pipis are made to be extreme trash enemies with the lowest stats possible
Killing them specifically counts as a real kill
Aren't they basically the ultimate trash mob for grinding then. There's even an entire room just full of them to a comical degree. Huh...
Friend inside me is just Fandom brainrot that has nothing to do with Deltarune.
Most of the evidence against is just blatantly false or based on "feels" rather than objective evidence.
Kris Knight truthers will win so hard in 20 days.
The problem is they explode on turn one, it's practically impossible to kill them all.
I have a strong feeling that the massive amount of flags in the save files has more to do with Toby's programming style than being an indicator that they're being tracked for some far future use.
He COULD build a super-detailed profile of every player with all the choices and actions that are saved, but he most likely won't.
451: ["talked_about_pap", "Whether you talked to Sans about Papyrus in both chapters 1 and 2; talking in Chapter 2 only isn't saved.", basicBool],
all this shit being tracked
gaster is going to say something like "DO YOU REMEMBER THAT ONE TIME YOU SAID SOMETHING MEAN TO RALSEI? WELL I DO, user1" and i'm going to not know what he's talking about
["spamton_no_room", "Whether you had no room after defeating Spamton NEO. Spawns the chest.", [
>"Default state",
>"No room Pacifist",
>"No room Snowgrave"
But he doesn't drop an item in Snowgrave? And the chapter ends immediately, what's the point of spawning a chest?
YOU LITTLE FURRY PIECE OF SHIT I SWEAR TO GOD
Yeah Toby's programming is shit.
Did you know that in Undertale every single piece of dialogue is a fucking switch statement that checks if you are in every single state that exists in the entire game before spitting out the dialogue for the specific scene you're in?
325: ["ralsei_photo_choice", "The purty picture you took with Ralsei. Affects his title and whether he hugs Kris after Spamton NEO.", [
"Default state",
"Hugged",
"Peace sign",
"Rude gesture",
"No pose"
I will continue to hug goat at every possible convenience
FIM is tertiary shit and I can't wait for the people who keep spouting it to fuck off in 20 days.
He does give you the crystal and the puppet scarf.
If you don't have inventory it spawns a chest in castletown
missed 1 yellow name in undertale credits
And still it works
This. When people complain about YandereDev's programming, they don't understand that it isn't slow because of if/else statements, it's slow because he uses assets with insane polygon counts and stuff like that.
Toby is keeping track of every little thing
but its not for anything in the actual game
after the credits there will be a very concise ranking screen in which it gives you a C rank no matter what and tells you to try again
Holy shit, Toby tracks EVERYTHING.
no flag for keeping track of you beating up sus/lanc in their ch. 1 fight
LAME!
This is actually a bug and was fixed in the same update that referenced a Ralsei bimboification meme that was on Anon Babble at the time of chapter 2's release.
Or maybe it wasn't, I don't remember.
This sounds like some random Yanderedev cope. Are YOU Yanderedev?
Did we ever figure out what the FUCK this is
I fucking knew it. I don't want to play favorites :(
he doesn't know
I'm not saying that YandereSim isn't shit and YandereDev isn't an insane retard, I'm just saying that people obsess too much over if/else statements even though real problem is that he uses hyperrealistic toothbrush models he downloaded off the internet that weren't designed to be used in video games.
abstract goatse
443: ["told_save_town", "Whether Ralsei told you to feel free to SAVE and take a break in Castl- RALSEI KNOWS ABOUT SAVING??", basicBool],
I remember hearing it was some kinda baseball thing
That’s a big deer
4u
Reindeer are fucking big. Plus she's way taller than Kris in the game as well.
Nah, I think it's normal. The game needs to save the status of each chest - whether you opened it already or not, and stuff like that.
brother you do not need individual flags for every single chest there are ways of handling it in gamemaker without having flags for each individual one
928: ["creepy_steps", "The number of steps you take toward Noelle (0-3) after the hospital scene on Snowgrave. Yeah, that's a thing."],
Is the the flag actually called creepy_steps, or did the save editor person just name it that?
never. crashing this game with no survivors to stop suselle from happening
b-but noelle gets bolder in snowgrave
accelerationism
iirc variable names are preserved when games are compiled for gamemaker.
gamebanana.com
You DID play the definitive Undertale mod, right?
He does. He's also a filthy Suselle shipper
319: ["ferris_scene_plot", "Tracks how Suselle becomes canon. Returns to 2 after the whole scene.", [
> "Default state",
> "On Ferris wheel",
> "Off Ferris wheel",
> "WHAT? WHAT? WHAT?"
they fuck on snowgrave
what the fuck is this?
What was your favorite delta AU?
Doesn't seem likely he named them
>396: ["opened_sideb_painting", "Not a reference to Side B (alt route). Seems a painting opens a passageway.", basicBool],
code variable names are preserved, not flags or enums. Those get converted to numbers on compilation
Oh yeah, I'm retarded, he just left comments.
That name honestly sounds exactly like something Toby would write himself. Wouldn’t surprise me if it’s legit—he loves making the world mildly uncomfortable in the most subtle and specific ways possible.
I really hope we end up having a boss fight vs Asgore where he doesn't hold back, like when (we) get our vessel and he goes after (us) for possessing his son maybe even for causing Toriel or Rudy's death
got to examine the shadow crystals
damn i got to keep track of a lot of stuff when i replay
950: ["shadow_failed", "Whether you used the Shadow Crystal in Chapter 2 and saw nothing. 952 is more interesting.", basicBool],
951: ["glass_failed", "Whether you used the Glass in Chapter 2 and saw nothing. 953 and 281 are more interesting.", basicBool],
952: ["shadow_lab", "Whether you saw the computer lab using the Shadow Crystal.", basicBool],
953: ["glass_susie_glare", "Whether you saw Susie glare at you using the Glass.", basicBool],
954: ["gave_JEVIL_crystal", "Whether you gave Seam JEVIL's Shadow Crystal.", basicBool],
My biggest schizo theory is that Ralsei is actually completely cool and 100% on your side.
The REAL problem is high polygon models
You realize the stance you're taking here, right? And don't give me some, "You're putting words in my mouth." bullshit. You're saying that fucking YANDEREDEV'S coding is 100% fine by comparing it to Undertale and going, "It worked for Toby Fox, but Yandev's problem is using 3D models."
This is such an insane cope statement that I cannot imagine anyone making it unless they were personally involved.
How the fuck else is some random NPC supposed to reference an action you didn't even realize you took 3 chapters ago in a completely ridiculous attention to detail?
speaking of twin peaks, deltarune kind of reminds me of mizzurna falls. in that game when you miss an event or go out of sequence the game pretty much just softlocks, npcs become static, no more events happen, and you're forced to wait for the 7 days to elapse and the bad ending to occur. wonder if deltarune will be similar even though at this point, 3 years from chapter 2, the glitch/softlock/easter-egg speculation has probably been done to death
it wasn't
Couldn't you get the susie plushie in her room because of the update?
Yes, you can get the plushie now.
Oh well then.
There's still a reference to Ralsei Bimboification, which will likely never go utilized in secondary media because of the very particular circumstances required
Have to actually play the game
Have to play the game specifically after the patch
Have to play pacifist but SPECIFICALLY choose to attack Roulx
It's a lot to ask your typical non-gamer parasite artist to be aware of.
Jesus, calm down, schizo. I'm not saying it's fine, I'm just saying that it's not its biggest problem. It's like I'm saying that house is on fire and you're going "Why are you denying that he used wrong grout for kitchen tiles?"
What are you talking about? I thought Ralsei Bimboification refers to Ralsei looking like he has eyeliner after he takes off glasses? I never even knew that Rouxls calls him bimbo in one very specific instance.
Kris plugged in the TV between Chapters 1 and 2
Kris creates a dark fountain in both normal and weird routes
Ergo the only reason Kris plugged the TV in is to create a dark fountain
This means Kris knew before Chapter 2 how to create dark fountains
Kris is determined enough to create a dark world whether in normal or weird route. That in itself suggests Kris has a plan from the very start. (You) are just another part of his plan. Kris wasn't supposed to be the protagonist. (You) were. But Kris took the matter into his own hands, because he needs to accomplish something only a protagonist can - even if it means using your SOVL. Nobody can choose who they are in this world, after all.
Kris wasn't supposed to be the protagonist. (You) were.
Technically (You) are the player, the protagonist was gonna be the vessel
Kris is obviously going to be a schizoboss
And instead of trying to win the fight, we're going to have to figure out how to LOSE it instead
What's the objective evidence for Kris Knight that isn't feels?
Well well well
what do we have here?
kys pedo
I can't wait for Chapters 3 and 4
Roulx calls Ralsei a bimbo in reference to a meme from here where some retard was really mad about Deltarune and tried to make Ralsei look like a tranny but people turned it into a bimboification sequence.
Originally the line where Roulx calls Ralsei a Bimbo didn't exist.
toby would never, you pedo
Really all this amounts to is further confirmation that Toby or at least one of his friends probably lurks these threads when there's quality posts and he sees or is shown funny stuff, or dubious rumors like that it may actually be a thing that Toby is aware of some dead kid as the rumors go.
Small goat pp
copying the OFF gimmick would be so lame.
I didn't realize that Toby was actually here during that saga. Amazing.
But that wasn't how it went, originally some guy found the glasses-less sprite fuckable and then a sequence of edits unfolded over about two threads with increasingly horny anons. THEN the guy started reposting the edits with ragebait OPs.
Looks like the shotacord has arrived, RIP thread
gote
I still need to play this pure kino.
This is not a goat. This is a mimiga.
nuh uh
But that was
Don't attempt to lecture me about it. I was there.
You are right that people thought Ralsei had pretty eyes.
tcrf.net
The flag tracking who you gave the gift to in Cyber City is no longer forcibly set to "given to Ralsei" in the boat ride cutscene's code, so Susie's present correctly appears in her room if you gave her the gift. However, the dialogue that is supposed to appear if you didn't give the present to Ralsei has also been made deliberately unreachable - the developers' intent likely was to simply make the dialogue unreachable. Save files made with older versions that are past the boat ride are not affected by this fix.
I was also there and my memory may be shoddy but I don't remember it unfolding like that.
Kris plugging the TV between Chapter 1 and 2, and making a fountain on screen.
Gooners will win.
Coomers*
Enough with the zoomerspeak
Do not give these two boobs
*coombrains
enough with the zoomerspeak
Why, does that make them look too old for you
No, they simply are not supposed to have boobs
Similar to Wild Arms
Game that literally has a protagonist that is secretly also the villain called KnightBlazer
Also the fact that for anyone else, the logic of the game has to bend itself over backwards to justify another person being the knight. "Who is the Knight" is not an overarching mystery of Deltarune, anyways
the developers' intent likely was to simply make the dialogue unreachable
So, it will be reachable in NG+ or what?
Preorder soon?
Lots of these choices immediately cause dialogue changes. The game needs to know what text boxes to play next even if its only a couple.
I'm not really sure if Deltarune would HAVE preorders.
Why wouldn't he just use internal variables like any other game
what did he mean by this
update that referenced a Ralsei bimboification meme
You can't just say this without elaborating.
if you mean the reference, iirc it's just rouxls calling ralsei a bimbo if you beat the shit out of rouxls during the town minigame fight
Rouxls has a joke dialogue where he calls Ralsei a bimbo if you do full peaceful but beat him to death instead of playing monopoly in chapter 2. That was not present until AFTER the meme here.
You do know that other sites also joked about Raslei putting on more makeup and taking off more clothing, right
You're trying too hard.
If you're going to make a reply, at least try to have it make sense
there are ways of handling it in gamemaker without having flags for each individual one
like what?
Friend how related is to gaster?
Referred to as DEVICE_FRIEND, typical naming scheme for Gaster-y things in Deltarune, like the gonermaker sequence and the pre-skin interface
DEVICE_ things are mostly UI shit and the vessel creator thing
What? You feel intimidated by it?
almost finish genocide
"please don't kill me"
ok
kill the task and reset the game
flowey complains about me resetting genocide
Fucking bitch
Yes, boobs are scary
his sprite's file naming convention is similar to the Gaster-related elements like the goner maker
assaults you in the sweepstakes page that has the text "darker than dark"
That's about it.
He's mentally ill.
Cats hatch from eggs in Cat Petterz
The mystery man hands you eggs.
Do you have this art without the stupid fucking watermarking?
can't believe Toby dropped the ball on that one honestly
i have a feeling she'll dote him and treat him like he's her child
NTA but you don't get it, hating AI slop is xir's entire personality so i doubt a watermarkless version exists
No, but I have this I guess.
usually these artists have a fantia/pixiv fanbox/patreon/whatever and stick the watermarkless versions behind a 20 buck paywall with two layers of stupid passwords that can be cracked in five seconds because they used google docs like morons
Boobs too big
not big enough nano desu
Why do consolecucks get screen borders?
funny since I'm sure killing him hard locks you to the fucked up save.
6666
Because console users are always in fullscreen and iirc it's part of the publishing agreement that you have to fill out the space.
you only get fucked if you sell your soul to chara after they destroy the world, don't you? i did a genocide run a little while ago and alt+f4'd just before chara attacked for the funnies and could reset the save just fine.
308: ["seen_eggs_husband", "Whether you've seen Asgore make a fool of himself in public.", basicBool]
lmao
you didn't steal your brother's money. Right?
430: ["took_azzy_money", "Whether you took five bucks from Asriel's drawer.", basicBool],
I got my friend into UTDR but now he's acting like he completely understands Toby's vision even though he couldn't beat undyne the undying and thus doesn't know and later genocide content and I had to spoonfeed him optional Undertale content with videos. He has no idea what snowgrave or the egg trees are
i'm afraid the secondaryism is terminal
Yes, I also sold the chocolates to Sans. I'm on the grindset.
Honestly, having flags for everything is a really smart move, because it means ANY of them could have an impact on later chapters and you can never guess which, because all of them generally exist solely to prevent certain events from repeating themselves on the short-term.
This thread has mixed signals. Is the blue text in that flag GitHub written by Toby? Are any of the comments? Are neither? Are the variable names genuine? Or is all the text written by a fan for ease of reading who happened to insert memes or speculative commentary?
missing the opportunity to sink two dyke ships with a single torpedo
Imagine if Kris beats Lancer to death
The only thing potentially written by Toby are the flag names themselves, but I can't confirm. The rest is very obviously not.
Is the blue text in that flag GitHub written by Toby?
No.
Are any of the comments?
No.
Are neither?
Yes.
Are the variable names genuine?
No.
Or is all the text written by a fan for ease of reading who happened to insert memes or speculative commentary?
Yes.
The variable names aren't genuine either? Could you show an example?
It's going to be so funny when they end up being canon anyway
I got 5 dollars
You got a tummyache
Tracks the state of the first Berdly battle. Used to determine if he breaks his arm.
wait, so berdly breaking his arm depends on his previous battles also?
Yes. His arm gets broken if you defeat him with violence in either battle.
90% of these flags will probably go unused and are just there to fuck with dataminers proably
all of this autism just because Susie is a basic bitch manic pixie dream girl archetype
Most players will never find an egg, so they're probably not important to getting a satisfying ending.
I can't decide if schizo bosses will be necessary for a "satisfying" ending.
just go and use undertalemodtool and see for yourself
Susie
Pixie
She's a tomboy lizard you illiterate clod, learn words before using them and I am taking your Broly privileges.
using terms created by the devil himself nathan rabin
I can't right now which is why I asked you
just name a variable with a different name than the one shown in the list
see
Wasn’t there an old incident where Toby would ask/beg for porn to be made of his characters? I can’t remember specifics but just that it was a bit of controversy from back in the day
So the variable names ARE official, then?
No.
Pretty sure it's the edit of the one tweet where toby was saying he'd hope discussion about the game would fade away instead of being the target of autism forever.
Which was unfortunately followed by the industry mostly being plagued by entirely astroturfed garbage with people starving for something organic to latch onto sucking on Undertale for 10 years making up progressively dumber and dumber fanfiction about it.
Sounds very uncharacteristic of him, how did that go exactly?
None of those variable names are official. The game doesn't label savedata like that.
If you want more definitive information, UndertaleModTool or Altar.net are your friend.
NIGHT MARE
KNIGHT MAYOR
It's staring you right in the face
see >He hoped discussion would fade away
This is what actually what he desired, yes. The edit was funny.
no no
KNIGHT MARE
the Knight is a female horse monster
Long haired krisp
He will grow up to be a nice femboy twink
SNOWGRAVE
DESS NO GRAVE
FAGGOT
FAMILY HAS GOT PROBLEMS
Nothing is important. Only one ending, remember? There's something more important than reaching the end.
would unironically rule
shipping the humans in a game about anthros
BOW TIE
FRENCH FRIES
Anon...
doesn't matter if the fallout is bad enough
The pain of not being a furry.
Anon they're a secondary from Anon Babble they don't even know there is a game
Undertale fan
Not a furry
Please no, horses are disgusting I'd rather not see one in the game
Anon Babble only cares about Chara, Berdly and nazi Flowey, you retard. The shippers were always in this thread.
Hi Tem.
Horses are homestuck tradition
the Anon Babble thread is just shota asriel ERP chatroom now
Sounds like a nice place
There will be more Toriel porn
ERP is never nice. It only leads to pretend-friend discord bullshit, attention whoring and drama. There's a huge valley between regular lusting over characters and ERP.
kris knight
"uhhmmm welll... queen told him how to make a fountain and toriel decided to watch a game show the night before. that means he's the knight!"
kris not knight
"ok but here's why thats retarded" [whole ass essay]
Sounds like you've had some not so good personal experiences in the past, huh?
You're too weak
youtube.com
I'll do you one better, Oersted from Live a Live.
Kris plugged the TV in between chapters 1 and 2, anon. It was premeditated. He clearly was already planning to make a fountain there. Whether he's the knight is up in the air but Kris 100% has knowledge the others don't.
I've just seen how they infest threads and start constantly blogposting at each other like they're on private messages. Avatarfagging, calling each other by username, talking about unrelated life bullshit, just all around obnoxious and unnecessary.
talking about unrelated
Well of course, that's the point of these threads
I know, right. Furry women genuinely can't make me hard.
if anything thats just proof for timeloop kris.
anyways cant wait for the cope when its impossible for kris to make the church fountain.
Kris isn't THE knight he is A knight, there are 2 knight on each side of the board after all
Gee Frisky, two hot dogs?
Not everyone is your boogeyman, anon.
Shut the fuck up chess theorist, I reject your existence
kris isn't the knight
kris is the angel
But what if Susie is a horse?
If you don't want people to notice you're a gay retard that doesn't play videogames and to tell you to fuck off.
Don't be a gay retard that doesn't play videogames.
Hi.
My name's Kyle.
I'm the Roaring Knight.
The vessel is human-ish.
Or just human and ripping your soul out of your body is something humans can do in this game, idk.
I wonder what your cope will be when Tenna says the fountain was made by the Knight.
it's actually kind of funny how you can play all those old ass JRPGs that Toby says he likes and you'd figure out a ton of where his writing style and quirks came from but because the entire UTDR fanbase is a bunch of retarded fucking children, they all think it came from fucking nothing and they make insane fucking theories for everything
Deltarune is basically Live A Live mixed with SMT
I 100% played the game more than you, schizophrenic anon.
No you're not
Do you think Kris will ever get text boxes?
Toby LITERALLY said Kris was inspired by this guy btw.
tenna says the fountain was made by the knight (unreliable narration)
impossible for kris to make the church fountain (hard evidence)
hm yeah i wonder...
I'm...really not seeing any SMT here, and I've played all of those. Definitely see some Live-a-live, though.
Wrong and right, there are 7 Knights in total Knight is just the title of whoever makes a Fountain
We will only get this confirmed after Asgore makes one and everyone thinks there was only one and he was the one that made most of the previous ones
Why the fuck would it even be impossible for Kris to make the church fountain? The game isn't even out yet.
He already talks in the prologue.
You can talk to enemies in SMT with battles being different by context because of it. Also you can recruit them (which he added in chapter 2)
I haven't dive too deep into the new arg stuff but why is this spamton face being paired with a cat? is it just because the face appears in the cat minigame?
ACTing was inspired by SMT.
why the fuck would tenna say the fountain was made by the knight? the game isnt even out yet
Kris Knight
Simply pointing out the factual clues so far and the way story is set up
Kris is not Knight
Jaru levels of fanfiction tier hoops to prove it's random noname npc #63
The face file is called cat009 there and it is the entity Noelle refers to in the ARG that causes your score to go down and potentially also causing you to immediately lose the game afterwards. It appears after clicking on a cat that looks like the default cat.
he likes Susie
DONT LET SUSIE END UP WITH ANYONE ELSE, SPECIALLY A WIZARD
Noelle is a wizard btw.
yeah, toby wears his influences on his sleeve, and having your protagonist be also the antagonist slots in perfectly to the theme of dissonance between player and player character
The face (device_friend) is in the game and appears for a split second in the castle basement near the teacup ride down. It has a similar eye color scheme to spamton. In the ARG, it appears in the cat clicking thing, and Noelle's blog calls it a cat. It's also labelled as cat-009.
Ergo, it's very clearly a cheshire-type cat.
Can I get a QRD on device theory?
Nah, but I do recall him coming up with the ideas of those porn tags for undertale and deltarune (undertail and deltaruined)
Deltarune is a game about control
I haven't really played SMT games, just watched a bit of Persona 5 on streams and played a bit of Strange Journey, but isn't premise of Deltarune similar? You know, the whole going into Dark World things?
Hope you'll get to drive a giant fucking tank into Dark World at one point.
Oh... OH...
I hope this kitty becomes real
-Their books were on the table, but not opened, it looks like they were in messy piles. The books were transformed in the Dark World, possibly as items, so they would have stuck with Noelle and Berdly and became books again when the Fountain closed.
the Fountain was opened "today."
If the Fountain was made any time after midnight the previous night, that would still be "today," especially considering Queen is a computer and would look at the date objectively. The Fountain was opened the previous night, and Noelle and Berdly wandered in and fell, exactly like Kris and Susie in Chapter 1.
-Kris had all fucking night to do it, even at that slow pace they could make it to the library and back in that time frame. And "not being noticed?" It was the middle of the night, where the vast majority of people are asleep. Kris also slept through the entirety of school the next day, implying they didn't get any sleep the previous night.
The narrative of Card Kingdom also implies the Knight locked away the other Kings.
That could be done in the Light World. Simply put the other King playing cards in the animal cage.
-It's exceedingly obvious neither King nor Queen actually met the Knight, and I doubt the Knight ever actually entered the Dark World. Also, I don't believe that Darkners have a 100% clear perception of the Light World when a Dark Fountain is not present.
-The Knight's goal is not to cause the Roaring, because they could do that at literally any time. Why bother making Dark Worlds at specific locations and waiting for someone to close them up before making another, when you could go out in the middle of the street, stab a bunch of holes in the ground, and start the Roaring instantly?
I mean it's actually more similar to Persona 3-5 with a bit of Live-a-Live for the different themes
but yeah Toby has a billion different games he takes inspiration from which is why fan stuff feels so derivative, they tend to be inspired solely by Undertale/Deltarune when Toby simply makes stuff based on the shit he experienced in his life which makes it feel way more original due to having way more thought and variety
-The reveal of the identity of the Knight raises far more questions than answers. It's not like the mystery of the Knight evaporated just because we know who it is now.
red herring
This is so funny to me. It's so obvious the goal of the Chapter 2 ending scene is to make the audience think Kris is the Knight. So what narrative purpose would be served by making us think this only for it not to be true?
-Toby put in the scene of Queen explaining how to make a Dark Fountain for the audience's benefit. He was literally spelling out that 1.) you need to stab the ground with a sharp object and 2.) a knife was used in the computer lab so that when we get to the end of the Chapter, we're not confused about what's happening when Kris does their thing.
-Ralsei hides and obscures information all the fucking time. It's not a leap to think he would do it again here.
or he's in on it.
Ralsei talks to Kris when the player isn't looking. The two of them are clearly in on something together without the player's input.
-Kris could be doing this little thing called acting. In fact, ACTing is their special power!
Every single point that anti-Kris-Knight dumbasses make is so flimsy and weak. They want to believe they're outsmarting Toby by overthinking this extremely obvious reveal by pointing out all these tiny little inconsistencies that can easily be explained away with even the slightest bit of brain power.
Mike?
My cat
beans
Kris took all of the chalks in chapter 1.
Streibough
Stray doe
Mike OK
Mike Hunt.
There are two knights. Problem solved
The cyber fountain LOGICALLY could only have been opened when Noelle and Berdley were already in the room, otherwise they would be standing in the same spot as Kris and Susie when it closed.
The TV being plugged in between chapters is not evidence of anything. What about the pie? How does the pie factor into Krisknight faggotry?
kys
What about the pie? How does the pie factor into Krisknight faggotry?
Are Knights not allowed to eat pie or something?
so we are almost 100% sure Chapter 4 will be Catti and Jockinton, but is Chapter 3 going to be just Toriel? Maybe Undyne?
Kris will be the knight because it is the coolest outcome for Kris both narratively and thematically
otherwise they would be standing in the same spot as Kris and Susie when it closed.
Kris and Susie moved from the closet to the classroom via dark world. Your entry position is not your exit position.
He literally says here that the knight is a seperate entity to the party. Are you stupid?
To add to this:
DEVICE_FRIEND is the same picture as cat-009. So whoever FRIEND is is a cat.
Both have the same eye colours as Spamton's shades
Spamton had a friend called "Mike"
Mike (or "Mi-ke") is a term for a tricolour Japanese bobtail cat
Such cats were often shown in maneki neko statues, which shops and shopkeepers used to attract customers and luck
Finding hints of DEVICE_FRIEND/cat-009 is all about hitting low probabilities (ie. luck)
Spamton got a lucky break when the right person called him
Possibility is, it wasn't Gaster. It was Mike who helped Spamton out with luck, but then got Gastered, leading to garbage noise over the phone
It also explains why DEVICE_FRIEND exists now in the same layer as rest of Gaster-related in-game elements
Mike being behind the meta-esque valentine's letter would also fit, he's talking about having forgotten Spamton
As an extra: Cyber city has a bunch of ads that show the face of a cat on a yellow/purple background, same color as cat-009's updated eyes
Spamton is puppet/cat element. Most schizo bosses seem to come in pairs that represent both elements. Mike is the cat to Spamton's puppet
Pic very-much-fucking related description in the computer lab
A cat poster that used to be in the computer lab, and an allusion to the most marketable comic character whose made gorillions on merch sales
We don't know anything about chapter 4, half the town might be there if it's church. However it is agreed here that Chapter 3 will feature either Undyne, Napstablook or Eggs-husband. However, Undyne is the one least likely to appear among all three.
Well said, anon. Kris Knight truthers will be victorious in 20 days.
This is what Krisknightsissies actualy believe
You never watched an anime opening, haven't you, anon?
youtu.be
I don't think any original UT character will play major roles in the dark world
Literally talks about an intro sequence where you see Ashley and KnightBlazer as two different characters (when they're secretly the same)
this will enver not be the funniest and saddest "proof" against kris knight
There are two Knights.
Kris Knight
Goner Vessel Knight
Kris is the White Knight and the Goner Vessel is the Dark Knight
In the Weird Route, Kris and Susie are not together when the Fountain closes, Susie goes off to see Noelle. And Berdly is off being frozen chicken in the City. So by your logic, Kris should be standing alone, Susie and Noelle should be together, and Berdly should be laying dead in the corner. Your position in the Dark World is not 1:1 with your position in the Light World.
What about the pie?
A nice little treat after walking such a long distance at such a slow pace.
The ending to CH1 is supposed to give the gut feeling of "Is Kris controlled by Chara?"
The ending to CH2 is supposed to give the gut reaction of "Is kris the Knight?"
But putting further thought into it, Kris cannot logically be the knight.
This would be kino since it would mirror Frisk and Chara in Undertale, with Kris being the Chara and the Goner Vessel being Frisk.
As I thought, Anti-Kris Knighers are still mindbroken because of Chapter 1 ending.
And the answer is always "kind of".
"Is Kris controlled by Chara?"
Kris is Chara Deltarune
"Is kris the Knight?"
He's a Knight, but not the only one.
The knight is the red pixel aka mainchara
In the Weird Route, Kris and Susie are not together when the Fountain closes, Susie goes off to see Noelle. And Berdly is off being frozen chicken in the City. So by your logic, Kris should be standing alone, Susie and Noelle should be together, and Berdly should be laying dead in the corner. Your position in the Dark World is not 1:1 with your position in the Light World.
Wrong.
Already in the room when the dark fountain opens=you will awaken in the same spot as you were
Entering a dark world from a door=you will awaken as if you just entered
The playroom fountain was travelled to from the main fountain.
Does anyone else dread Toby wasting like a third of a chapter on trying to make Jockington narratively relevant? He feels like a one-note inside joke that's only funny to him and someone else.
uhh sports
Yeah, funny shit. At least Berdley looked like an actual person, same with Noelle. Jockington is a weird looking snake with like, one animation frame.
in toby's cutscene idea, he had the fun gang run up some stairs to see the knight in the doorframe
Susie is Knight, check her title on the start of chapter 2
Krisknighters are the definition of midwits. Genuine double digit IQ "people"
Read, nigga, READ.
Slot 1 is the "pacifist, recruit everyone, do as Ralsei says" playthrough that my girlfriend and I are doing together.
Slot 2 is the "attack everything, only talk to people when you need to, do the weird route."
Slot 3 is going for the twisted sword and making all the decisions that can be implied that Kris would make. Since the twisted sword gives trance down, I think once you equip the sword to Kris, Kris will begin playing on his own, and you'll have no control.
All the routes will attempt to gather the eggs and shadow crystals.
my girlfriend
How big is her cock?
Okay, Berdly.
Why do you think the theory is so popular among Redditors?
Kris is the knight because Kris is a time traveler. There's Another Kris. And this one talks.
as big as susie's
literally the theory everyone on reddit argues cannot be true because le heckin' wholesome kris
"Kris and Ralsei are working together! Kris is the Knight!"
"Um, just ignore that Ralsei wants to prevent the roaring"
fucking retards. GB2Reddit.
Forget about Kris Knight bullshit, I just realized something important. We always assumed there are three possible candidates for the first responder - Undyne, Blook and Asgore. However, I just realized there's another person we overlooked. You know, the one person that lives next door and deals with the crime somehow.
I did misunderstand your initial point. However:
Noelle and Berdly enter the dark computer lab (like Kris and Susie in chapter 1)
they're confused but keep going in deeper (like chapter 1)
the floor falls out from under them (like chapter 1)
they have now entered the Dark World from deeper within the computer lab than Kris and Susie
I still don't agree with your initial idea that you exit at the same place that you entered because there's not enough evidence for it, but it can be explained with some thinking.
... is what I would say if I lived on opposite world. Redditors hate Kris Knight.
Never seen anyone on any platform ever say that ever. The only thing r*dditors do is tell you to they/them Kris or get banned.
Susie doesn't have cock. She does have an absolutely giant clitoris.
ms. holiday enters the dark world with a double barrel shotgun
Who says the Knight wants to cause the Roaring? Also, Ralsei canonically doesn't give a shit about the Knight.
Kris opened the door to lure ICE-E into the house so he can kill it.
ICE-E is the thing they saw near the graveyard.
Based anon, may your ban be quick and your evasion unnoticed.
Holy secondary
First page of Jewgle for the subreddit if you google "Kris knight deltarune reddit" is all pro posts
Cope
Saving this before it gets deleted
Kris is clearly A knight. Whether he's THE knight is up for debate.
He's so chicken-shaped
Ralsei wants to prevent the roaring at all costs. The opening of ANY fountains would endanger everything.
Because he's called The Roaring Knight you speedreader
Can it be possible that people on Reddit have different opinions too?
THE KNIGHT IS THE MOST UNINTERESTING PART OF THE GAME
I don't think Kris is thr Knight, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's trying to become the Knight. He apparently has ulterior motives, but we don't know if it's limited to "I want fo have adventures with my friends" or extends to "I want to use the Knight's power to change my destiny.".
Reminder the "Hell's Roaring" isn't the apocalypse. It's the "Angel's Heaven".
I don't buy that whole narrative since Ralsei's fountain isn't getting any smaller.
Also, the eyes area up the cliff from castle town is genuinely creepy as shit.
By Queen, who didn't know about the Roaring, and didn't meet the Knight in person to the point she admits she was just "inferring" the Knight's motivations
so where did she get "Roaring Knight" from?
I dread Toby not doing that.
Most of those are literally people saying they dislike Kris Knight and asking why.
Alright so the whole "Jockington grows the beard" thing is an old reference to star trek the next generation when the writers apparently figured out what they were doing with the show, and at the same time one of the main characters (the second in command of a starship) grew a beard.
Where am I going with this? I don't know. Maybe he exists only to be Catti's foil, only really functional as a character whenever she's around. Maybe he'll have so much tragic backstory which nobody sees coming that it becomes comedic.
It is funny and sad that he has no capacity to actually participate in sports, being a limbless snake and all. Does he just wrap around the sports ball and pretend to be useful?
To be fair, it does lines up with my theory that Ralsei will become a real boy and will be adopted by Toriel.
Then why were they already sitting down and sleeping on their desks?
same for me, they were easily the lowest point of chapter 2 if not all of deltarune so far, just total nothing characters. I can't even pinpoint what about them makes them so boring that well
that area is natural darkness, completely uninfluenced by a fountain
Why doesn't he try to stop the Roaring Knight or even mention them at all?
Would it though? Having two Fountains open at once seems safe enough.
I am called the "Fucking Your Mother Bandit." I guess I'm fucking your mom now.
Please refer to >-The Knight's goal is not to cause the Roaring, because they could do that at literally any time. Why bother making Dark Worlds at specific locations and waiting for someone to close them up before making another, when you could go out in the middle of the street, stab a bunch of holes in the ground, and start the Roaring instantly?
It doesn't matters whether you buy it or not. That's what Ralsei actually believes, and that's what determines his own actions.
alphys is the knight
she's the one who sent kris and susie to the supply closet, she also has easy access to it due to being a teacher
kris was asleep the entire class in ch2, alphys could've easily gone over to the library at some point during this time with kris/ (you) none the wiser
Because toby wants to have an excuse for them to think it was all a dream. That's literally it
What the fuck is a darknigga going to do to stop a lightener?
Susie is called the Dark Knight, but she isn’t a darkner. There are many reasons the Knight could be called "Roaring" Knight.
Weird route split in chapter 1 results in Susie killing Lancer in the battle instead of backing off
It is funny and sad that he has no capacity to actually participate in sports, being a limbless snake and all. Does he just wrap around the sports ball and pretend to be useful?
Monsters participating in sports with unsuitable anatomy seems to be a running gag.
* Like, one time me [Monster Kid], Snowy, and Jockington were playing handball,
He could tell Susie or Kris to stop them if it was thar urgent.
Not confirmed, but Ralsei could have put them to sleep with Pacify. And then in the Weird Route, Noelle is implied to already be asleep and of course Berdly is dead.
Alphys the retard fucked things up again and tries to sweep everything under the rug instead of informing authorities
Figures.
If this is true I hope we can kill her this time
him being put in a literal hamster cage ruined any positive outlook
cool mantle bro
but Ralsei could have put them to sleep with Pacify
These are the mental gymnastics that Krisknighters need to do for their """theory"""
This desu who the fuck cares I’m more curious about the relationship between Noelle’s sister and Gaster; the relationship between them is a narrative parallel in that they’re both people who went missing in some kind of accident, it’s possible they’re just outright the same nonperson
undynne has a suit of armor in Undertale. She is the boss!
Guy who named his vessel STEVEN here, my name is also GEORGE so that's what I put.
I hate the jaru style of theory so much because it's literally just throwing darts at a board to try to cobble a vaguely interesting asspull together then retroactively trying to find evidence, it's basically just fanfic
related to gaster since she was his successor in undertale and thus with dark worlds because entry 17th
she's seen in the alley, which has a lot of sus imagery (EVERYMAN and ICE-E graffiti, flowers)
thinks she has a cat (it's actually susie)
generally has a strange relationship with susie, who also happens to be the most "free" character so far
Wild arms 2 is the one with knightblazer
Wild Arms 1 has the protagonist finding out he's a robot (and is named Rudy)
I've realized the only reason I dislike ralsei is because of how much of a downgrade his ch2 design is
this just made me think that deltarune gaster could've been a former teacher and that is kinda funny
no because they're flags
we know gerson was the teacher before alphys, but we don't know who was the one before toriel
easily could've been gaster
Is Live a Live worth trying if I'm not a huge fan of a game like Chrono Trigger?
LaL is fucking $50 on steam.
how are flags actually represented in GM code then?
Krisknightfags think flavor text implying Kris plugged in the TV in his own house is evidence of him having an elaborate premeditated keikaku in motion
this flavor text is here just for fun and doesn't mean anything though
$50
fucking no
$15 at most
We do know who it was. Gerson.
steam
playing a demake
emulate the original, nigger
It's for Berdly post Weird Routem
I fucking hate Snowgrave route and think it's overrated as fuck and is given too much attention here AND EVEN I KNOW IT'S FORESHADOWING FOR BERDLY'S BODY BEING STASHED IN THERE YOU RETARD
It's gonna be so cool when Toby Fox dies and the Toby Fox estate cashes the fuck in like the Tolkien estate finally did
I can't wait for the Deltarune gacha game, I want to pull for the super rare swimsuit Tasque Manager
alphys is gerson's replacement, alvin says this
we don't know who toriel replaced when she became a teacher
keep posting this schizo theory you coomer
ok but is anyone going to acknowledge the possibility of two gasters
undertale gaster got CORE'd but that wouldn't affect deltarune gaster now would it
It's obviously gonna be a movie.
You're making an assumption that Kris hid the body. Why would Kris put their fingerprints on Berdly when people are going to go looking for him the night he doesn't come home?
Even ignoring people looking for him, the server closet is a bad hiding spot because someone is gonna go in there to try to repair the internet.
I don't discount the possibility because "ANOTHER_HIM", but in this scenario who is doing the whole goner maker sequene, UT Gaster or DR Gaster?
gaster's relevance to deltarune is based almost entirely around him existing on some metatextual level which is explained by what we know of him in undertale, plus stuff like "darker yet darker" in undertale too
What the fuck is Giga Queen for $200, Alex
Isn't that supposed to be the basement of the mansion?
A large person
Would you say a [Big Shot]?
Wing Gaster works in the kitchen at QC's and specializes in brunch.
I think it's cooler if being Core'd means your destruction across space and time so badly he's in a fragmented state in every reality
Ralsei is alone with Noelle and Berdly when Kris and Susie close the Fountain. I could easily see him thinking "It might be a problem if these two know about Dark Worlds. If I put them to sleep, they'll think it was a dream when they wake up."
Als, do you think that if you enter the Dark World asleep, then you exit it asleep? Seems like a weird, strangely specific rule.
Because you're overthinking a preschooler cartoon about dumb animals. There's a closet that says it can fit a body, and there you have a body, apply one to another. It's not a fucking police procedural.
But what if it'll be shit?
There are at least three gasters because it's a family name. Comic "sans" is gaster, papyrus is gaster, and yes even wing is gaster.
then we kill the dog for making us WAIT for shit
Then it will be a $25 shit
i'll kill myself
I trust the dog more than I believe my taste in anthro women
He didn't get core'd, he fell jumped into the dark.
basement of the mansion
It's a really weird location. It's implied that some light world creation is linked to the NEO body there, which made Spamton hope they he could directly upload himself into the light world. The basement might not be directly connected to the library but rather they went somewhere else through the internet perhaps?
Or maybe the NEO body turned out to be something like a vtuber persona lol.
If the basement is in the library, I think it's literally that area under the computer desks that's dark, not the server room. Dark Worlds don't seem to like crossing doors if there's not another fountain.
Dark worlds are dream worlds anon, it becomes apparent the more research you do on the game. You can literally skip straight to cyber world by going to bed.
someone else will fix it
then someone else will fix that guy's fix
then the second guy gets outed as a sex pest and a third guy has to "fix" his fix but it sucks but people aren't allowed to prefer the second guy's fix because its made by a bad person or something
then three entirely separate fixes come out, two of them get cancelled and the third one is mediocre
I don't get plantigrade anthros. Digitigrade is waaaaaay hotter personally.
It would actually mind break me. I'm two strikes down. MGSV and Jojolion. I can't survive getting hyped for something like this again to underwhelm me
IMO dark worlds work like south park's imagination land. He was trying to become real and thought that hijacking a dream could turn the dream (and thus him) into reality.
I will be proven right in 2035 when Chapter 6-7 releases. Believe in the two stripes on sweater theory.
Mgsv was fine
i feel like shipping is stupid when all these hormonal teens who go into consequence-free ruleless darkworlds are 100% fucking non-commitally all the time. every single combination of students at the high school has been a sexual experience at some point canonically
All the retarded zoomers calling the dog tank Toby drew Metal Max when it's just a Metal Max styled enemy with the Wanted boss theme
is it ok to cum inside my lovingly made vessel?
It could also be a reference to Giga Queen.
I have faith in toby as a writer to not fuck it up
NOBODY fucks Snowdrake
I will make my own fixed fanfic of it.
toby's writing style is basically just a blend between classic JRPGs and hussie's stuff
years of coping
remember guys, he dreamt of the ENDING first. just wait for the ending to recontextualize everything. it's a masterpiece
well maybe he'll make a chapter 0 or an afterstory
maybe there's a secret ending we haven't found yet
what if he updates the game with new lore later on?
UT Gaster makes the Goner sequence because he's the only one who really can given his position, plus it aligns with the twitter stuff where he commented on the fanbase having been looking for him, which doesn't make senes for DR Gaster and those twitter posts fit nicely into SURVEY_PROGRAM and the Goner Maker sequence.
DR Gaster, assuming here he actually does exist, is likely in the Bunker.
The song being ANOTHER_HIM is a pun.
It's like Hymn but it's another rendition of Gaster's Theme, which was mus_him.
So it's Another Hymn, ANOTHER_HIM.
The final boss is gonna be chara isn't it
Still thinking about PAIN and Sans = Therapist theory, how many connections in undertale and deltarune are there between Cold and Pain?
There's the Ice-Blocks being thrown into the Core with Gaster, who's the pain-itself-teaches memory-head pain gash guy, snowdrake's mother, is there anymore?
toby dies
next day fangamer announces marketable plushies of the lightners
It being a pun on hymn raises its own questions anon
Kris is based on Oersted.
THE UNDERGROUND IN UNDERTALE IS ALSO A DARK WORLD
GASTER'S PLAN IS TO CREATE A DARK WORLD WITHIN A DARK WORLD (DARKER YET DARKER (HE TRIED DOING THAT IN UNDERTALE AND THAT FUCKED UP THE TIMELINE) (IT'S WHY "THE KNIGHT" WANTS FOR LIGHTNERS TO CREATE ANOTHER DARK FOUNTAIN WITHIN A DARK WORLD))
Sans is just the janitor anon.
Deltarune is a faux Fox? JRPG
What do you do in a JRPG?
You kill God.
The final boss is The Angel and while Chara can be reasoned as an Angel for Undertale, she doesn't fit Deltarune's version.
it's gonna be the guy from brandish
KnightKrisKeks are fucking quaking rn
I AM KRIS
FROZEN CHICKEN NUGGETS
Höhöhö Im the spamman. [Weed] hö hö hö
tbf there's already a lot of religious theming with things like the angel (probably the player which ties into it being a hymn) and the prevelance of a church which wasn't really a thing in undertale
NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE
noelle is the angel thoughever
Yes yes but toby has already been teasing *something*. He referred to chara's one-stripe shirt as a mask. All the other characters like the goner and the mystery reflection child wear a two-stripe shirt. There's a line in the game that says
so you've come again to this wonderful place
now take off the mask beneath your face!
It's gonna mean SOMETHING
What is the biggest problem for md with anyone other than Kris being the Knight is the fact that the idea is RIGHT THERE. A perfect plot point that works with the grander themes of Deltarune. And for toby to not use it and just make Knight a random NPC feels like such a step down and lame
A perfect plot point that works with the grander themes of Deltarune.
elaborate.
she
Kill yourself.
Kris probably plugged the TV in overnight (the text doesn't actually definitely say it was unplugged before) but they didn't need to plug the TV in to open a fountain. I keep seeing people argue Kris is somehow conspiring with Tenna, a character that does not exist yet, and that the TV needed to be plugged in and turned on so Tenna could come to life, as if Darkners are powered by electricity and not magic.
If all Kris wanted to do was wake up Tenna and open a fountain he could have done that the night before Chapter 2 when he supposedly plugged the TV in.
That's idiotic and that text appears whether you did Snowgrave or not, unlike other Snowgrave-related text ("The blue bead is broken off")
The basement of the Mansion is the recycle bin, or other parts of memory waiting to be cleared/overwritten. Swatch says that "corrupted data" is stored there and the NEO body was dumped there after the Lightner who drew it deleted it.
I dunno man, I still get this weird vibe that people want Kris to be the Knight just because it sounds chuuni and epic and mysterious and self-inserters cream themselves over that kind of stuff
Kris has one stripe because they're AU!Chara. Goner Kid has two because they're a Goner version of Monster Kid (who has two). Vessel has two stripes like Frisk, too.
gooner kid
Spamton's eyes were stolen by IMAGE FRIEND and now he wears glasses
Jevil's Teeth were stolen by IMAGE FRIEND and now his mouth is empty
as we progress we'll assemble IMAGE FRIEND
and make a new vessel
I suppose the next schizo might be missing his ears. It fits with the triad.
and that the TV needed to be plugged in and turned on so Tenna could come to life, as if Darkners are powered by electricity and not magic.
Because Queen was turned on before the Dark World was opened, too.
people acting as if they've figured Toby out and smugly treating their speculation and headcanons as if it already happened
10 more years of this shit.
What's the opinion on KanaKris
unlike other Snowgrave-related text ("The blue bead is broken off")
Because the bead isn't broken unless you do the Weird Route. Noelle is already in the hospital when you get there, she probably played with the beads a bit and accidentally broke the blue one since she became stronger.
now his mouth is empty
no? he just has sharp yellow teeth
unless you wanna say these are his fucking loose gums or some shit
theorizing rests on the fact that any crazy asspull twist would ruin the story. there's only so much that could happen
I am Toby, Berdly raped Dess in the freezing winter of '97.
seems like a fun character
I hope the theory with the most annoying detractors ends up being true.
This will by why Jaru will be vindicated.
Asriel's light at the end of True Pacifist was avoided by nabstablook staying inside and closing the blinds (Darkness)
Darkness fully fills the inside of a room and is sealed in by the light of the outside.
Asriel had that angel he was making on his computer
Kris is trying to make the Angel, but for darkness, to do a dark version of Asriel's thingy. Spamton NEO was their first attempt at making an angel.
this nigga is gonna win and everyone is going to shit bricks
Piles of Asriel’s dust just WON.
>Asriel's light at the end of True Pacifist was avoided by nabstablook staying inside and closing the blinds (Darkness)
Holy SHIT. This is why we need the Shadow Mantle to beat the Chapter 3 schizo!
She wasn't "turned on," she was already on. It's not unusual for the computers in a public library to be left on, all of the other computers in the room are on too.
yup. and im not afraid to admit it.
Chapter 3 schizo-route is us following the Blue Blanket Shadow Mantle with Trashy so we can fight Not-Asriel (our former FRIEND)
Not-Asriel also comes from a game inside a game just like Image Friend
Image Friend is connected to those Angel Cats
NABSTABLOOK IS THE FUCKING POLICE OFFICER SENT TO OUR HOUSE AND TEACHES US HOW TO BLOCK OUT THE ANGEL'S ATTACKS
USING UNDYNE'S GREEN SOUL SHIELD THING
HE'S A SHERRIF IN THE "CUT" COWBOY SEGMENT AND ENDS UP POSSESSING A COWBOY
BECOMING THE FRIEND INSIDE ME
FUCK FUCK FUCK