Explain to me how this is a good ending

BACK TO THE PIANO FIELDS, NIGGER

Holy fuck WHO CARES

They should have made the ending more Christlike in imagery, but French are grim atheist cunts so of course the god figure is le bad.

It's a good ending for people that prefer to stay in the cave.

How are people making these shots if the game doesn't have a photo mode?

She is just a drug addict hooked to a VR world to evade from her real life

If you get out of the cave in this situation you also kill all the people with you in the cave and you lose 1 eye and you can't speak and all your body is burnt.

They have souls but the painters are higher beings and so have a greater right to exist.

It's an emotional performance. They looked happy before it and they'll be happy after it.

If she only had a husband to come back to, this would not have happened.

Do you think Renoir ever uses Maelle's holes while she's zoned out in the painting?

Still worth getting out of the cave if you value your own humanity.

real life

december 33

painting of year 33 monolith in year 49 in the IRL manor

t.

They can paint themselves any fuckdoll they want with any personality and any behavior and fuck them there forever.
That will not be necessary in this setting.

They're both tragedies anon

Her supposed real life fucking sucks. Her face is toast, her throat hurts 24/7 and she can't talk, her sister is a bitter cunt (understandably so but still) and her mother hates her so fucking much she painted a version of her that has all her scars + no colors to give her maximum suffering for decades on purpose.
Staying in a world where her life is bettter even if it will cost her real life is understandable. Painted Verso suffers in this ending but he can suck it up. You have a life of fucking Lune in front of you, stop bitching, fag.

True, he probably already has an incest painting. They probably had to burn so really fucked up paintings when Verso died.

Umm... Versobros... Our response??

the painters are higher beings and so have a greater right to exist.

Them being "higher beings" just comes down to their power, but the truth is that that the Dessendre family is a useless, whiny and destructive bunch that doesn't serve anyone but themselves.

Reddit ending

piano cuck

and they say video games can't be art

one must imagine verso happy

The only painted people who were copies where the Dessendre family. Everyone else was homegrown within the Canvas and are just as genuine as Esquie, the gestrals or grandis.

Clea is helping the writers to kill the painters
She killed Verso and crippled Alice.
She kept her parents fighting inside the paint (playing both sides) until both became weak
She manipulated Alice to enter the paint and by "mistake" she got reborn inside so of course she became attached to her new life inside.
Clea effectively destroyed her whole family just to suck the upper gods dicks(the writers)

So the story of the game actually starts in the last 2 hours of the game?

No, it just gets recontextualized

Kill yourself, good sir.

they didn't really explain how painting magic works enough to know if it's good or bad. Tune in for the sequel.

Why is one not black with only a bit being white, when the other one is white with only a bit of black? It's triggering me

This.
It's made for NG+, you can catch so many details and hints in the first act with the new context.

You don't really have to explain magic

It's striking and kino while the other one is pretty cheesy. It's a clear choice

How is it not? The pathological liar who tried to fuck the world over multiple times is stuck doing something he "hates" (his villainy was such that even those he was hypocritically calling his best friends serve as bouncers to let people in rather than help him out) and the other characters are alive and happy.

I still think that this shot should've been replaced by a back shot of Alicia sitting in front of the Canvas not showing her face with the last frame making it seem like she's about to get up from her chair to fuel dozens of debate on if she left the Canvas or not.
In their current state the Verso ending is very obviously the "canon" one for the devs if only because it introduces a new plot twist at the very end with this december 33rd on Verso's tombstone.

who was even the bad guy?

The Wriggers

Nobody. Everyone is ready to sacrifice others for those they hold dear.

who tried to fuck the world over multiple times

Just once. His retarded sister is to blame for the second when he was fully on board with her quest.

The Writers who we will kill in the sequel.

piano chad

Dunno. The Dessendres are pretty evil, they could easily be the good guys in that conflict.

Aline? If she hadn't gone fullretard and left the canvas on time Renoir wouldn't have needed to chimp out.

next game will actually feature a writer as a protagonist after Clea kills their whole family

Arguably the Dessendres.
They created the canvas, but refused to take responsibility for it

Dessendres are pretty evil

For what? Creating fake worlds like every other painter? The writers almost murdered their 16 yo daughter.

why didnt fake renoir just explain to everyone who the real bad guy is so they would stop trying to kill the paintress

it feels like this entire story never would have happened if any of the characters just talked to each other

Aline painted him extremely overbearing and uncompromising.

They did talk in the end. Renoir gave in to his daughter request. And what did he get in return?

Don't you think it's kinda wrong for them to create worlds in the first place?
You're playing god even though you shouldn't be one

she is giving the stupid little boy what he wanted, by force

Wait a minute what the fuck

Clea is said to be the only one powerful enough to paint over things

at first tells Alicia that she's useless and should do nothing, then changes her mind and guilts her into entering the painting to "help Renoir"

claims it's "Aline's chroma" painting over Alicia when she enters the painting

when Painted Renoir blasts Maelle into the Painter dimension on the cliffs, Aline clearly had no idea Alicia had entered the Canvas

Clea calls Alicia being painted over an "auspicious start"

Clea also painted over Painted Clea--now producing much more dangerous Nevrons--and Simon, an immortal and impossibly strong warrior led into Renoir's domain to kill him

It really is all her, isn't it

Because he is Aline's puppet and he wants to preserve the idea that the painted world is real.
It was Clea who spilled the beans to painted Verso

It's a good ending cause people talk about it. People only talk about Lune's angry face in Verso's ending.

That would be boring and cliche, every hack already apes christian imagery for their 2deep4u story

They are gods in the setting.
If there is actual God it is on him to stop them.

It's said somewhere that him and Verso tried to explain things to early Expeditions but they didn't believe it

Nope, she is indifferent. Clea is mad that her family is falling apart, her brother is dead and he was basically the glue that kept the family together. She doesn't hate Alicia and even encourages her to do what makes her happy. She wants revenge against the writers for tricking Alicia and getting Verso killed and she thinks her parents are dumb to be fighting over the canvas.

ok but who the fuck is Francoise supposed to be based on? the turtle is the best character in the game. thats also why the Maelle ending is the good ending since Francoise gets to live on.

No, people discuss it at large no matter how much you hate it.

painted renoir is not renoir.

A tortoise or a tortoise plushie Clea had.

I don't know man, something isn't adding up. Clea is a lot more involved than someone who's too busy fighting the Writers ought to be

Renoir enter the canvas to talk sense into his wife

Clea creates a supersoldier who defeats Renoir's axxon monster (the giant Chronos like in old Lumiere) and ensures Aline traps Renoir for over 60 years so both become old and weak

Yeah, Clea did nothing wrong

That one Renoir is the real Renoir. Painted Renoir was wiped by the Curator in the Monolith fight.
The same Curator that the final fight Renoir transformed into.

She hasn't visited the canvas for hundreds of years, Esquie and Francois both mention this. The voice Simon hears could just be a memory, since most players will probably do the floating mansion before taking on Simon.
She says she supported her mother at first and then she later realized it made more sense to support her father to come to a quicker resolution.

is maelle ending the bad ending?

That ending is KINO!

No.
Of the two even lees so.

Maelle's ending is technically good, but foreboding.
Verso's ending is just bittersweet.

There are no good endings in this game.
It's a misery porn cuck game where all your efforts over the playthrough amount to nothing, and you end up eating shit no matter what you choose.

She hasn't visited the canvas for hundreds of years, Esquie and Francois both mention this.

She hasn't visited Esquie and Francois*
They aren't omnipotent.

I don't think the voice Simon hears during his fight is Clea in real time, but she still created Simon who exists specifically to fight Renoir.

support her father to come to a quicker solution

And that happened after Aline and Renoir had become stalemated in the Monolith.
Her dialogue in the Endless Tower is also dismissive of both her parents. In general it doesn't seem that she has much love for anyone in her family.

Alicia moves on and verso's soul can rest

Alicia recreates her make believe world and enslaves her fake brother and his real soul until she does or her dad comes back to raze the canvas

There is no good ending
In one ending verso gets what he wants which is to kill himself.
In the other ending Maelle gets what she wants and plays god while huffing paint.
Everything else that happens is fallout from these two selfish choices

were the Curator and the Paintress the real Renoir and Aline?

Low IQ people cannot fathom that there is no "good" ending.

Yes.
It is pretty obvious.

Both are bad.

Positive sides of the Maelle ending:

People of Lumiere get to live

Maelle gets to live out a lifetime without being a cripple

Verso suffers

Negative sides of the Maelle ending:

Maelle eventually dies (painters can create hundreds of Canvases, potential loss of life is much higher than the gain of keeping Lumiere alive)

Renoir is sad

Wriggers win even harder

Verso doesn't suffer

Leave Clea to me

which is to kill himself.

His mind was filled with saving her from her copium at that point.

i didnt get that from the maelle cutscene, everyone look happy, escept maelle looked like the disease was starting to affect her

They are too used to games that actually have at least one winning condition. Little did they know that this one game is a piece of modern art where a writer flings a load of shit into their face and they're supposed to be impressed and grateful for that.

There is no disease, that is just how Painters paint.
Actual disease is being a burn victim IRL unable to speak and in constant pain.

So you missed the part where

they change to the nightmare black and white framing

verso doesn't want to play and looks fucking miserable

the sound of chroma into Maelle's eyes

only then he starts playing

She's probably fed up with the struggle for dominance over the canvas. It's likely though that she would support painted verso, just so they could focus on the present and getting rid of the writers.

potential loss of life

Not a thing.

Renoir is sad

Wriggers win even harder

Painters are not good people. They play gods for no reason except as a hobby and torture entities they've brought into existence for no reason other than their own personal bullshit. Writers do nothing wrong by setting them ablaze, other than failing to finally solve the painter question of course.

I just unlocked the way to the paintress after fighting the giant dancing chick, am I at the end of the game and should I go back and do all the optional areas now, or is there still more?

Keep her, she's too old.
Me? I'm going to Alicia.

No, you are near the end of act 2, but act 3 has a ton of side areas that unlock.

You should first go to the Monolith.
You can do everything else later.

You should kill her and then immediately alt+f4, this way you spare yourself completely atrocious meta-twists and even worse endings, and leave with an overall good impressions and good memories about the game.
I've warned you.

Women are evil

Painted Alice: I dont want to live, help me die

Maelle: OK

Painted Verso: I dont want to live, help me die

Maelle: Oh nonono onii-chan, you will pla y the piano and be happy for me FOREVER

The guy literally fucked everyone over in the story a few times, turnabout is fair play.

Painted Alice did not try to force Maelle out of the canvas against her will.
Painted Verso tried and lost so now he gets to play piano in the piano mines until Maelle is satisfied for being weak bitch.

Thanks Anon Babbleroes

Maelle took away Verso's immortality. She wanted him to rediscover the joy of life.

If you want to try to do everything before the monolith, you can fight gross titty, the guy with the face on his stomach and if you are feeling especially zesty you can take on sprong, the metal titan in the water. Both of them have really good rewards. I managed to take them out and do the frozen heart and darkshore, before heading into the monolith, but I thought it was the end, so I probably could've saved those for later.

A setting that respects itself has a plausible explanation for anything that happens in it.

Just like in vampire the masquerade bloodlines.

ok george lucas

So the real life isn't one such setting?
Because there was never any ultimate explanation for everything in it. When you think about it, maybe such an explanation isn't even possible.

Kill yourself.

A setting that respects itself

Are you drunk?

That's true of plot events, character motivations, etc., but something fundamental to the rules of the universe like magic are not typically something that needs explaining.
It's outside the scope of the narrative to explain the Painters' power as the mechanics and "science" of it really don't matter to the events of the story or the characters.

We know that in the Canvas there exists a material called chroma, and the Painters have the ability to manipulate chroma to create, modify or destroy. That's all we really need to know about it.

And he didn't so she forced his hand with her powers.

Everyone dying is the good ending because the cutscene presented it that way

Fake people can't die.

Right, that's what she cares about, one single canvas within thousands if not millions, wouldn't it technically be more efficient if she went to the real world and became an advocate for painted beings lives?
But no, she specifically cares about this canvas, because her dead brother painted it, sliver of his soul is still in it

It's insane how stupid some people are

became an advocate for painted beings lives?

Maybe if the story was about someone trying to burn every Canvas that ever existed
But that's not what's happening, dumbass

No, it's the bad end because they are all dying anyway except now they have to submit to their teenage goddess until it happens.

Painter 'people' can't be murdered.

now they have to submit to their teenage goddess

giwtwm

She cares about this canvas because she was born in it and lived he whole life in it before her "memories" returned to her.
Aside from this little incident this canvas was her whole world.

If you're an American or Brit you're inherently more atheistic than the French

Alicia cared only about Verso.
But she is Maelle as well. She grew up with these people, of course she wants to save them

No you braindead fucking fag, they obviously already erased some canvases since they know how it works, and they will obviously continue, for painters like Clea it's no big deal
Just Renoir and Aline painted thousands, painters generally have millions of canvases most probably, and all sorts of abuse and death is going on in a lot of them, which also would make perfect sense. Alicia doesn't give a shit, in fact she was already in some other canvases clearly, she doesn't give a shit.
She only cares about this one, because Verso painted it, because sliver of his soul is still in it

Act 3 is not Maelle anymore, she's Alicia abd she admits, to her father, she cars about the canvas be abuse it's Verso's and not a single additional reason is ever given.

Alicia wanted to get out of lumiere her entire "life" prior to expedition 33, and literally told Gustav that it's not her home like it is his.
And again, she didn't spend that much time in it, Clea spend more time in it, and she rightly calls out Maelle to spare her the emotional bs of how much time she spent in the canvas.
Time itself obviously doesn't work the same within the canvas.
If Alicia's primary motivation was about lumiere beings she would ask her mother to repaint them in some other canvas, as all of them are her creation and not Verso's. There would be no dilemma, there's only dilemma because of Verso's soul.

>Painted Verso: I dont want to live, help me die

More like Verso wanted to kill himself and everyone else in this world. And since he was a lying backstabbing cunt all the way through, his wishes worth less than the wishes of others.

Verso is the entire reason that anyone else exists, and i mean painted Verso. Each and every lumiere being exists because of him.

It isn't.

painters generally have millions of canvases most probably

Where in the fuck are you getting that from

all sorts of abuse and death is going on in a lot of them

You are conjuring up all these details and rationales out of thin fucking air
"This conflict is happening here, which means something similar must be happening elsewhere"
Like what the fuck

The gestrals are more human than them.

The gestrals are dogs

why renoir had to be such a massive cunt to painted verso, like nigga this guy looks and acts exactly like your lost son, not even in the end he acknowledges him a little

I've failed at talking to my family

Better commit omnicide instead gitguding

All painters are evil and fire is the only cure.

How is he a cunt towards Verso?

Each and every lumiere being exists because of him.

Not directly but they suffered for more than 60 years because of his direct actions.

You must not have a brain
Renoir says that he and Aline ALONE painted thousands of canvases. Now use your brain and remember that there was a painters council and all that, meaning this family is not the only people who can paint. If two people made thousands of canvases, all of them all throughout their history most definitely made more than a million.

I am not complicating things, things are not complicated for me, the painted beings are shadows of their creators, they come from their minds. A more sophisticated minds in our would be able to create the canvas world within their mind, Gustave before he existed in the game he existed in someone's brain, are you going to police what people do inside their brains?

Normal human beings when they play this game just call the painted world VR and choose Verso's ending thinking that Alicia is an addict. That is the uncomplicated take.
It's your side then intellectualizes things with a lot of other bs trying to find a way to justify your retarded way of thinking. Well i can do that even better.
Clown.

oh wow, one of Arlene best creations

accept my family apologies

in the end he pretends he's not even there

he's treating verso like a "thing"

Wrong. When pressed by Renoir at the end she admits the only reason she wants to save the canvas is because she is whole and not disfigured in the canvas, and she doesn't want to go back and face reality. When she confronts Verso at the end she again admits that is her reason; she never once mentions the people of Lumiere or real Verso to either Renoir or painted Verso during the end sequences.

Her reason has nothing to do with Verso, it has everything to do with her not wanting to face reality. Given that Aline is the one who created the non-disfigured Maelle that Alicia is now using, it is pretty clear she is afraid that if she were to leave the canvas she would not be able to create one of her own where she could be whole. This would make sense, since we know that part of the painting relies on what the other painter perceives and feels, so if she were to have to make her own from scratch she would have to first have to come to terms with her disfigurement before she could hope not to paint herself as disfigured. Alicia's afraid of confronting reality, she's afraid of really confronting Verso's sacrifice and her part she played in the entire tragedy occurring, and so she is hoping to escape into the painting. Alicia is only different from Aline in that Aline actually did care for the people of the canvas, even if it was only to preserve the last little bit of Verso. Alicia abandons all pretense by the end, and outright states her motivations are purely selfish.

And? They literally exist because of him

accept my family apologies

treating verso like a "thing"

?

Elle a peint?
Enclenchez le gommage.

They exist because of the soul of a real Verso and the world held together by kid Verso. pVerso just a part of that world.

No, you braindead fucking fag. What she truly admits is at the very end, in both endings when her fight with Verso is over, in one on them she says:
"Please don't leave me again"
In the other she says:
"I just wanted to live a lifetime with you, brother, a lifetime that was stolen from us"

Her motivation IS Verso, she cares about this canvas because is soul is in it. Which makes sense given that lumiere beings generally are painted by Aline and can be painted again

No, that is not true. Aline went into the canvas to paint Verso from her memories of him and live with him, that's the only reason she went into the canvas and created Lumiere, to paint Verso.

Aline is the one who created the non-disfigured Maelle that Alicia is now using

Well that's a lie.

he was made from a part of his own son soul, like how the fuck is he acting like he don't know the guy and doesn't even seen to be a little sad about deleting the last part of him

She only cares about this one, because Verso painted it, because sliver of his soul is still in it

No, she cares about this canvas because she is whole in it. Do the ending again. She stopped caring about Verso in Act 3 when she regained her memories and came to the realization, "Wow, I am not scarred, missing an eye, and unable to talk in here. This is pretty nice."

We know that is true because, what everyone always fucking ignores, is that Renoir already Gommaged all of Lumiere at the end of Act 2. Those people were already dead, already erased. For Alicia it was no longer about saving them, they were gone. It was about saving something she could be whole in, and damn every potential life, they are only good for making her happy.

And reminder: Verso was on her side until he saw her lie to Renoir at the end. All Alicia had to do was leave the fucking canvas, and dip in occasionally after helping Aline grieve and confronting her own actions with the Writers and Verso's death. But no, that was too much of a fucking ask. The canvas that was going nowhere, that Renoir was now going to let survive, had to be used by her now, and not a second later. And as said, while she was in Lumiere she couldn't give 2 shits about them, she just wanted to leave the entire time, and the one person who she did ostensibly care about, Gustave, she stops giving a shit about once she becomes Alicia again.

Alicia is basically already dead in the real world
Nobody wants a crippled ugly woman
She will literally instant mega suicide after the verso ending

he was made from a part of his own son soul

What? No. Where did you get this from? The canvas has a part of his son's soul, which he acknowledges.

like how the fuck is he acting like he don't know the guy

Because he really doesn't know the guy. It's his wife's interpretation of their son brought to life by the canvas and has been living for over hundred years in a fantasy world. He has no relation to the real Renoir.

If you think there's supposed to be a "right" ending, you're experiencing the game in the wrong way.

No, that is not true. Aline went into the canvas to paint Verso from her memories of him and live with him, that's the only reason she went into the canvas and created Lumiere, to paint Verso.

Aline only choose this canvas because it was imbedded with real Verso soul. She built her world upon the child's fantasy world.

No, this take makes no sense. She's a paintress she never has to suffer a life she doesn't want to, just like Verso said.
So follow your own advice, and do the ending again.

If it was about her being a cripple, that's an issue she can fix in any canvas.

offers an apology on behalf of his family for getting caught in the middle

also offers for verso and the canvas to be eradicated, which is want verso wanted from the jump

confused as to what you were expecting? renoir is cordial, albeit brief with verso, just like he is when he speaks to lune and sciel, maelle / alicia is clearly his main focus here, so his attention is on her.

to my understanding painted Verso had the original Verso's voice, likeness and (some of?) his memories, but Alicia comments that resemblances aside, they're completely different personality wise. the only part of verso's soul in the canvas is the young version of him stuck painting, i believe.

Weak shit
World actually does have singular truth to it

Do the ending again. She stopped caring about Verso in Act 3

Dude stop.

Yes, that doesn't in any way contradict what i said and also has nothing to do with the basic point:
That lumiere beings only exist because of Painted Verso.
Unless you're trying to argue that painting the fake family and the fake Verso wasn't essential for her, which it absolutely was.

Nobody wants a crippled ugly woman

She's cute

this is a great dark ending
maellefags gets to cope as much as her, versofags gets to laugh

Nobody wants a crippled ugly woman

its a reference to the Matrix

i was just expecting something else in the end, like having some last words with him or something, but i get it, renoir is the embodiment of "moving on"

EXPEDITION 3

Ooga booga we kil da panters

tomorow kams

OPs is the best when you think about it

Time passes differently in paintings

There can be paintings within paintings, possibly making time progress even slower

Not not just do paintception to have even more time to spend in paintings

Not that anon, but he's not her bro, she gommaged his sis.

I want

my life

mememeememememe

that's ALICIA (masquerading as Maelle) in act 3

but he's not her bro

She's too delusional to see that. Claiming that she does not care about Verso is retarded.

while i can understand the sentiment, i don't think last words between them is something either of them desire desu.

renoir knows he isn't his son, and painted verso knows he isn't the real verso, any attempt at heartfelt exchanging of words would essentially just be a LARP for the sake of it, imo.

its muh amnesia / conveniently forgor shit writing

You're just coping.
She doesn't care about painted verso, seeing as how she still painted him again (despite him begging multiples time not to) AND she fixed his scar (literal proof he's not verso).

That lumiere beings only exist because of Painted Verso.

The world was created to satisfy Aline's desires and in that perspective you can say that without ability to create Verso the rest of the world wouldn't be created. But again pVerso wasn't the one who created it, he just a part of that world as anything else. And this world's existance for a long time and especially by the end of the game does not depend of the existence of pVerso.

She cares about him being alive and staying her brother stand-in.

The world was created to satisfy Aline's desires and in that perspective you can say that without ability to create Verso the rest of the world wouldn't be created.

Lumiere specifically yes with its inhabitants.
That is indeed the truth.
As for the 2nd part of your post that has nothing do with what i ever said.

It's just when people say Verso is that Verso is this, Verso hurt other lumierians. Let's not forget, all of them literally exist because of him.

AND she fixed his scar (literal proof he's not verso).

That's a proof that she is trying to sanitize everything, erase all that happened. And live in her little magic world.

picked the Verso ending because it was clearly the right thing to do

in reality i'll probably do something like Maelle

addicts recognize addicts, i guess, it's was a bit jarring watching her following some of the same patterns i do, at least i would deleted painted verso, that was extremely selfish and evil for no real reason

No you wouldn't. If you were Alicia you wouldn't.
Alicia has a paintress context, she's been in other canvases. She sees it differently from what you understand.
If you didn't care about Verso, you would leave this canvas to stop the bickering with your family and enter another canvas, which you have endless options of.

neither ending is good cause the game is mediocre af

the game itself isn't good

fucking poetry
glad I pirated this pretentious UE5 goyslop

Verso hurt other lumierians

Yes, that is his direct action, he lied to people for half a century which caused death and suffering. Friendly reminder that expedition 60 literally won and realised that Paintress is not the problem. That's why you can blame pVerso for suffering of people but you can't attribute their existence to him. He done nothing for their existence.

I would abandon real life in a heart beat for a believable fake world. Don't pretend half of us lonely fucks wouldn't.

They LITERALLY EXIST because of him

I think you're having a stupid moment

Where do people come up with this headcanon that Alicia just created copies? Stop watching snippets from streamers for the love of god.
The story was presented to you pretty openly and clearly. Your headcanon fucking sucks.

No. Admit your inferiority and bow down.

The story was presented to you pretty openly and clearly.

Yes, and the story says that just reusing the same chroma doesn't give you the same person (noco).
Some times, I even doubt Sciel and Lune are 100% themselves

couldn't even create different clothes for anyone in lumiere except for Gustave and sophie

be me

painter

also a Clea fan

made a canvas full of Clea who are all sex starved and want baby making sex

insert myself as the only male

I wipe away my memories of being a painter and I'm essentially born into this world as the last remaining male

tfw the real Clea finds my canvas after 50 years inside

Painted verso was created along with lumiere

And lumiere was created because of him.

No, it was created because of the real verso. He is not the real verso

It isn't.

Maelle is the greedy publisher that will force a once passionate and beloved dev to make FOTM slop and shit out microtransactions to satisfy their selfish greed

Verso is the talented, passionate dev who wants to go indie because they know that their publisher will milk the shit out of them and destroy the studio and themselves by forcing them to things they aren't interested in making

It's really quite on the nose, and I'm surprised that so many people didn't pick up on this.

No it was created for the painted Verso, because Aline went into the canvas to create and live with her fake family. She could have just went into the canvas and lived there with gestrals and co, wanting to live in her son's dream world, that would be different. That's not what happened however, she wanted to live with her son.

Just once.

Every time he "joined" an expedition post Julie, which is far from only once since she was something like 58 or 48.

They were created by Aline on the canvas of young real Verso. Their world was created by kid Verso, people in this world were created by Aline. People of Lumiere live alongside pVerso, not because of him.

People of Lumiere live alongside pVerso, not because of him.

People of Lumiere live alongside pVerso and they exist because of him.

The one scene that broke versocucks

she wanted to live with her son.

To live with her son, there's no need for creation of the rest of Lumiere. She created it for better immersion for herself, pVerso played no part in it.

>tfw the real Clea finds my canvas after 50 years inside

Still worth it.
And she probably would understand, since it is the 500th one this month.

There was no need for them yes. But she wanted to live her fantasy that nothing happened, that the fire only took Alicia, so she needed the proper background

Verso is not happy. So its good.

can't even romance the hottest girl

Shit game

But she wanted to live her fantasy that nothing happened

Therefore people of Lumiere own their existence (primarily before the Fracture) to Aline's desire

We'll get to romance Clea in the sequel, trust.

He's talking about Golgra

Verso is literally objectively the most evil character in the game. Lets summarize:

keeps lying to his companions at every fucking step, literally never says the whole truth

let Gustave die JUST for plot reasons and because he knew if he lived he wouldn't be able to manipulate Maelle

hid floating rock from Esquie just so that 33 couldn't return to Lumiere

at this point you have to question his motives and actions at every step, who knows if he didn't fuck over other expeditions as well and they died because of him

literally killed his gf Julia and her expedition to prevent them from reaching the Paintress

lied to every expedition he was with and didn't tell them that killing the Painterss would mean killing themselves

Versofag defenders go "omg evil Maelle traps him into a suffering/torture piano playing" but Verso literally wants to force Maelle to live as a fucking cripple in a shitty family (because the ending also shows that Clea leaves to fight on her own and Alicia is left alone), so why is Maelle bad for wanting to live in the canvas and have verso live there even tho he wanted to die BUT Verso is good for wanting to force Maelle into shitty life?

he hypes up and promises the team to save their loved ones, has to end his romance with Sciel because she hopes she'll get to see her husband again only to BACKSTAB them again

This nigga is literally worse than the Writers. He is so fucking bad in fact that i wonder how the real Verso was and if the fire and some of that shit wasn't his fault as well if he was that much of a lying cunt.

Yes, Aline's desire to reproduce the world she was living in just with her son alive, to live pretending nothing happened in this fantasy world with her son, aka pVerso
If she didn't create him she would not create anything else, including the rest of the fake family and lumiere at large. Therefore they exist because of him.

who knows if he didn't fuck over other expeditions as well and they died because of him

He was murdering them alomgside Renoir

You forgot

betrays his real father and sister for decades that his sister refuses to even see him as family anymore after ignoring her final plead to just tell the truth for once.

Everyone close to him gave up on him.

Why didn't Verso just ask Aline to unpaint him? Then rape her when ahe refuses. She would have to unpaint him then

This is the worst post in the entire thread even when this exists Be ashamed.

Go shit on a street

yeah he's a piece of shit
he's still right about maelle
and is objectively the least bad ending

Basically everyone is a compelling character but also an asshole
How is this type of writing called?

It's genuinely impressive just how much of a manipulative cunt Verso is. Guillaume and Jennifer did a fantastic job writing him.

Verso is great, achieving correct goals is what matters at the end of the day.

He's not right. The midwits pick his ending because they believe he sacrifices himself for Maelle or some shit. He literally just selfishly wants to die.

Basically everyone is a compelling character but also an asshole

How is this type of writing called?

Wuthering Heights

who cares about his intent
the results are what matters

bring back dead people IMPERFECTLY

when will this meme die? It's the only straw you versofags have to grasp at and it's demonstrably wrong

No, normal healthy people agree with him because he's right on what he wants to do, it's not about why it's about what

There's no reason why Verso couldn't have just spent time with Aline to ease her grief then talk her into going back. Instead what? He leaves her for 67 years and plots to fight her?

Just fucking talk to you Mom. What a stupid story. Forced conflict.

Basically everyone is a compelling character but also an asshole

Whole expedition party apart from Verso is pure and innocent.

Non retarded people who don't hate him for letting other characters die see why he suddenly decided to go against Alicia.

Retard, he does live her for 33 years before the fracture happens, after that Renoir traps her on the monolith. Doesn't seem like him living with her makes her grief go away, she just gets more engrossed in the fantasy

She's not his mom

People conveniently keep forgetting Alicia is a SHIT painter and not capable of painting worlds on Aline's level.
Are you fucking blind or something or purposefully ignoring the fact that only people in the Opera are Maelle and her closest friends, while rest of Lumiere are barely in the picture. And also everyone looks the same, wears the same thing, has same hairstyle and in general is just a carbon-copy NPC. Because Alicia can't paint anything new. Which means no new creations, no new stories. Nothing. The world is stagnant and frozen in place.

If the argument for Maelle's ending is "fuck demiurges, save the painted people" then it's a shit argument because it fucks over painted people the most.

Just because they exist doesn't mean they get to exist forever.

Retard, you don't know how many years Aline was in the painting before the Fracture.
Retard, Verso has been to the Monolith before. Literally says when we are near the top and the 00 flags.

3+3=6
What could they possibly mean by this?

Because anything that results in thar faggot Verso suffering is obviously good.

The amount of headcanon you people come up with is retarded.

holy cope

I wish Alicia/Maelle actually was malicious and purposely making Verso miserable. The cunt deserves it.

Explain expedition 32 then. Alicia clearly states that Renoir repurposed them and obviously they aren't the same people we see in the beginning. People like Sciels husband also come into question since he died of "natual" causes and has been dead for much longer.

We do know that for a long time because Clea specifically says that Maman spend inside the canvas a long time as opposed to Renoir

its a reference to the matrix

And also everyone looks the same, wears the same thing, has same hairstyle and in general is just a carbon-copy NPC

Well, you can argue that devs are just lazy because even in prologue many of the models are the same. But even if we admit that Maelle was unable to recreate their appearance, their essense is still the same because when Maelle resurrected Lune and Sciel they were the same individuals and not just a copy of a memory.

Verso nigger trying to argue something irrelevant to the fact Verso could just talk to his Mom

The story is stupid. Verso could have just been a good son and spent time with his Mother and talked her into going back. He does not because he's a shitty person who just wants to die.

genociding an entire population inside the canvas is okay because meemaw and papa are fighting and I want it to stop :(

Fuck off Verso. You're not erasing my Lunewife

genociding an entire population inside the canvas is okay because I want to die :(

FTFY

genociding an entire population

THEY
AREN'T
REAL
HOLY SHIT YOU STUPID NIGGER

It is sad how many faggots on this board support genocide for the sake of a petty family squabble

No, you braindead fag, Verso lives for a long time with her before the fracture, it doesn't help. At the time he doesn't even know he's painted, he only find that out from Clea after the fracture.
You're stupid, a dumbfuck in fact, longer Aline stays and communicates normally with her son worse it becomes.

when Maelle resurrected Lune and Sciel they were the same individuals and not just a copy of a memory.

No but that's the point I'm making. Her friends are painted properly because she knew them and has memory to paint them from. This is equivalent of tracing lmao. Meanwhile everyone else is just a backdrop, not even allowed to enter the Opera house. Think about it this way, it's easier to make a fanfic of existing franchise than actually making new, original characters.

Alicia being shit painter is a fact stated multiple times in the game.

I once raped my imaginary girlfriend, she was well developed, sue me.

They are real but they are not equal to any Painter.

Look at the angry Versofag denying the reality that Verso could have gone to the Monolith at anytime to speak to his mother. His mother was also at the manor.

Trannies believe that any threat to the make-believe that they're woman is bad, so obviously an ending where you dive into your own delusions will be go. Consequences don't factor.

Why is it bad and selfish of Alicia to want to live in the Canvas free of daily suffering through her damages and scars and shitty family, but it's not selfish and bad from Renoir to want to prevent that and bring her back and force her out just so that he can selfishly "have his family back".

THEY

AREN'T

REAL

Cogito ergo sum

If you get out of the cave in this situation you also kill all the people with you in the cave and you lose 1 eye and you can't speak and all your body is burnt.

Just get back in your chair cripple.

Imagine you're Maelle (or Alicia, since Maelle doesn't exist anymore in act 3).

She (allegedly) really likes the people and she wants to live her life. She knows about that the slow exposure would kill her, yet she doesn't try to go out, because she probably thinks going outside is a huge risk to the painting, as anyone could destroy it.

She IS aware that the canvas is in danger, or else she wouldn't have any reason to get out for a week or two, then come back. But she stays and she's beginning to shows signs of sickness.

So do you really think Alicia think of the people of the painting first and foremost? No, she doesn't, she cares about HER pretend life, that's it.
Once she dies, anything could happen, but I think it's most likely that the canvas will be erased, especially since child Verso hated painting, so it wouldn't make sense to have it paint forever. AND Renoir knows how is wife can easily get back into the copium, imagine what he'd think if his youngest daughter would die in it.

HE WILL destroy it.

Alicia killed Maelle

Alicia doesn't care about the people in the painting or she wouldn't risk their lives

The painting is most likely getting shafted, especially if Maelle dies inside

But Athrun, Verso is crying!

Didn't like either ending. I only enjoy happy/mostly happy endings these days.

You're going to criticize a father who's trying to prevent his daughter from killing herself on drugs?

they aren't real

honestly this is a really stupid argument. They've had their entire lives inside the canvas. They've felt real emotions, pain, love, etc. They've had children, they've had to deal with the gommage every year. Just because they don't live in the so-called "real world" doesn't invalidate their lives inside the canvas. They're honestly just as real as anyone else. So yes, it is in fact a genocide to just kill them all for selfish family drama

Verso wants to kill himself and genocide an entire world in the process

:)

Maella wants to live a long life in the canvas but eventually die like anyone else would

:(

I'm not angry, just disappointed. It's unfortunate people as dumb as you exist. Talking with her is counterproductive, being humane with her is counterproductive, for obvious reasons.
Just because the game depicts the ending you like as obviously the wrong one that doesn't mean the game is stupid. Maybe the issue is you.

He wants his daughter to not live a life where she can be happy and instead live a life where she's a scarred mute.

A fool you are.

It's not a life, it's a fantasy. The meaning is very clear.

but it's not selfish and bad from Renoir to want to prevent that and bring her back and force her out just so that he can selfishly "have his family back".

And in the end even Renoir consides, but Verso still went full retard

Thats like saying [anime character in an anime show] is living breathing real human being. You are absolutely fucking retarded dude.

"You've got this incredible power to paint, you'll never have to suffer a life you don't want..."

So he forced her out of not having to suffer a life she doesn't want. Even in his dying fucking breath Verso cannot help but be a lying manipulative faggot holy shit.

i've come to accept and even like the verso ending for what it is, but i'd be lying if i said i wouldn't be beyond pleased if they added a 3rd ending akin to FFX-2's 100% ending

i just want them all to be happy :(

I'd just get mad and start killing Wriggers with my big sister Clea and my dad.

go back to the piano Verso... im not asking again

consides

concedes*

I think you can tell Verso ending is the midwit ending by seeing all the retards in YouTube comments and reddit agree with it.

except it isn't, at all, even a little bit, and you're dumb for typing it and even dumber for thinking it somehow contributes anything to this conversation. get out of this canvas.

Aline is a retarded cunt who caused nothing but issues because of refusing her dead son go.
It's not about selfishness or anything like that

Alicia is a retarded cunt who caused the death of her own brother and then tried to escape and live in her mother's fantasy world(lumiere).

Alicia* wants to live a long life in the canvas

Her death will doom the people and their world inevitably

She doesn't care, or she'd do something healthy against it

She just repaints Verso (minus the scar) and repaint people that died of natural causes because why not

There is a non null possibility that she could even wipe the events from everyone, so that they don't know the truth about their world, the family drama, and how her death might lead to everyone's death

FTFY

Talking with her is counterproductive, being humane with her is counterproductive,

Easy to say that when Verso literally never tried. He bailed on his family. The story is stupid and forces a conflict when basic conversation would resolve the situation

bothered me a lot when i saw it in the game too

dead aristocrat son

malformed burned aristocrat daughter

hysterical aristocrat mother

useless incompetent aristocrat father

Easy to say that when Verso literally never tried

Verso didn't even know he was painted before the fracture and was normally living with her before. It changed nothing

The story is stupid

No, you are stupid

100% this, everyone is focused on Verso dooming the world, but nobody is thinking long enough about how Maelle doesn't truly care about the people, or she'd do something.

You don't even know what writers do. Maybe the stories they write are a huge torture too. With Canvas, they just paint it, and the rest at least have a semblance of free will.

nobody would side with the eldritch demiurge if she werent a cute teenage redhead

And now the dumb Versofag has to be reminded Verso could go to the Monolith at any time

Maelle doesn’t care enough

Still better than erasure

I wonder if the game forgot to establish that the canvas continues to move because Verso (or a painter) continues painting. The game makes a point of stopping young Verso from painting at Verso's end, and in Alicia's we can guess she's the one painting now because everything is weird.

Renoir wins in both endings anyways. Verso ending he gets his family back. Maelle ending he gets a living sex doll.

None of that matters, caring about anyone. The issue is simple:

Aline is a retarded cunt who caused nothing but issues because of refusing to let her dead son go.

Alicia is a retarded cunt who caused the death of her own brother and then tried to escape and live in her mother's fantasy world(lumiere).

Virtually all of the issues exist because of these. Alicia and Aline are the root cause.

and repaint people that died of natural causes

Apart from gommaged people she only ressurected Gustave and Pierre, which is fair for her and Sciel

Renoir to want to prevent that and bring her back and force her out just so that he can selfishly "have his family back

Every day you post this retarded argument and you can never convince people a father trying to save his wife and daughter from addiction is bad.

This thread is filled with people who just watched streamers, rather than playing it. What the fuck is wrong with you?

No, she just makes Verso's soul keep on painting, because he's a kid and he needs someone to tell him he can stop.

It's all a metaphor for depression.

Its implied painters put a part of their souls in the canvas.
Maybe they can claim back that part of them if they erase the canvas but since real Verso died the part of him that lived on as the painter kid got stuck there forever. The kid was hoping for Renoir to erase everything

Sohpie and Gustave reunited

Sciel and her Husband

Lune and a shota (me)

It's the greatest ending. Play the piano.

Maelle TRULY caring about them would allow them to live (or at least give them a real chance) without necessarily making her unable to go in the painting... She could have a win/win situation, but she purposefully choose the win/loose one, where the loosers will ultimately be the people.
If you accept her escapism, you can't deny it's also at the price of the people inside. She's no better than Verso, she's probably even worse.

Some plot holes

Painted Renoir doesn’t tell the truth to the Lumierans to get their assistance in preserving the canvas

The paintress is a god in the setting yet can’t speak to the Lumierans about how she isn’t the enemy (Very convenient mute god, yet she communicates via painting a single number? How about a letter?)

Esquie doesn’t fight for Verso despite supposedly very powerful and shown to fight from time to time

It's completely irrelevant you stupid fuck. You keep talking completely irrelevant things. Going to monolith does nothing(which btw you're wrong he could not go anytime because a barrier gets placed at some point), Aline won't let go.
Your headcanon that if he talked to her properly he would let go is nothing but that - your headcanon.

We don't know that for sure, but yeah only G&P is a possibility since she probably doesn't care about other people at all, since they aren't close.

She gives them their entire lives to live. That’s better than erasure now. Why this has to be explained to a grown adult, I do not know

He did try and they didn't believe him.
She's imprisoned at the top of the Monolith.
He's lazy.

and then tried to escape and live in her mother's fantasy world

She was sent there because Clea ordered her, dumb dumb

Why doesn't Maelle/Alicia just... go back into the real world and paint a NEW canvas, but with Lune, Sciel, Esquie, Verso, etc.

Isn't that what she's LITERALLY capable of doing?

But we see Verso with her.

Yes, and it'd make sense if Renoir also wanted to put his son's soul to rest, but he never says that. It's only implied in Verso's ending, that all of Verso can finally rest.

Painted Renoir doesn’t tell the truth to the Lumierans

They tried that with early expeditions, didn't work out and the paintress was pretty out of it/paranoid by the end.

The paintress is locked on top of the monolith

While Renoir is at the bottom.

Esquie

Weeeeeeee.

Aline cant move from the monolith because she is the one stopping Renoir.
She is also gone cuckoo with grief and too much diazepaint

Yes but the entire point of Verso's specific canvas is that it has the last remaining piece of Verso's soul. That's why Maelle wants so badly to stay. Yes, she could just paint a new canvas, but it won't be the same. It won't really have Verso in it.

Look at this Verso dick sucker go. Did you even play the game? Verso can't die. The barrier would not kill him just like it wouldn't kill painted Alicia or Renoir. The 00 flags prove he has been there before.

Talk to your mother. That's it. The story is stupid.

Are you trolling?

Painted Renoir doesn’t tell the truth to the Lumierans to get their assistance in preserving the canvas

The nevrons are killing them preventing Aline's chroma from returning to her, when pRenoir kills them the Chroma does go back. It's just more productive. Each any every expeditioner killed by Nevron is bad news

She sucks at painting, she's only shown to be able to copy what her mom already painted. She's attached to this specific canvas because it has Verso's soul and his creations, sentimental value.

entire life

entire

You're coping anon. She's worse than the gommage. She's already starting to show signs of overcopium while she's 17. What does it give her? 20-30 years at most?

YEAH BUT SHE'S GIVING THEM THEIR LIFE

What about their children?
You don't care, you're literally Alicia. You want YOUR life to be perfect but YOU don't care about what will happen after your death, even though YOU can EASILY prevent that. No, you're just busy playing god and thinking you're one of them.

I don't know why a grown adult like you can't think about that.

Isn't that what she's LITERALLY capable of doing?

The game repeatedly hammers in that Alicia kinda sucks at painting and is why she went to the Writers in the first place. I doubt she can even paint a canvas like Lumeire

go back into the real world and paint a NEW canvas, but with Lune, Sciel, Esquie, Verso, etc.

They won't be the same people, just a copy since that canvas contains their true essence aka soul.

She can't and even if she could the chroma would be different their memories and life experiences won't be there. They would be completely different people.

If P.Renoir knew about Gustave’s lumina converter they would’ve teamed up

What could have been

The barrier was raised after too many expeditions became a bother. It wasnt there at first

Goys help, I maxed out all the relationships but there are still things I need to do ingame. Can I go to lumiere and end the game and still come back to those things? I'm level 80 and I want to see the ending

Renoir genuinely doesn't want to erase his canvas, but he has to, be abuse of his stupid wife and retarded daughter.

they all obsess over this specific canvas because it holds a part of verso's soul since he first painted it with clea
a new painting would feel too fake for alicia

Can I go to lumiere and end the game and still come back to those things?

yes.

Another:
Clea could have ended everything if she truly partnered with Renoir instead of doing weird shit "because she was busy." She's the strongest painter, she could have taken 5 mins of real world time to slap the shit out of her mother.

The way you talk, it's just so apparent how much of an utterly miserable human being you are. Verso doesn't need to die, the barrier won't let him enter regardless. The barrier is put there after 00 obviously, since they enter without needing to kill any hearts or kill any axons.
I would tell you to take your own advice and play the game, but i don't think it would do any good, just like talking with Aline would never do any good.

The story is stupid.

The issue is you.

... They still die because Renoir is winning?

Thank youuuu, time for kino

Why are women like this
Seriously.

Essence is what YOU put into a painting. It does not exist inside the canvas on its own.

Remove the painted power picto

Its almost as if she wanted her whole family to die in that canvas
Curious

that's not possible, she says

she who control the chroma control the canvas

she doesn't have it, but she did everything she could try (and doesn't take too much time) before going back
she knows she can't afford to have everybody stuck inside the painting, they killed verso, don't you think they'd kill the whole family stuck?

Verso cannot die you fucking dumb cunt. If the barrier could kill him he would just walk into it to end himself. You'd think you at least know this one thing about the guy you are sucking off.

They could have done a better job to establish that Verso's time in the world was over and he wants to go. That's why so many people think of Verso as a psycho, because they don't give a real reason except "I'm not real!" It'd get a bit spiritual and mystical but whatever.

P.Renoir wants to keep the canvas going

Aline could repaint lumiere with everything in it again in another canvas
That doesn't matter.
The issue is that this is Verso's canvas with the last sliver of his soul in it

She made Simon the strongest being in the canvas. She 100% had the power to fuck Alicia up.

use gommage in endless tower

it does 15k instead of the usual 2-20 million randomly

so there is a bug with roulette right

Aline*

Nta but holy fuck you’re stupid lmao

I want to do maelle ending but the outfit from verso ending is so fucking cool

overcopium

Using the painter eyes is not a big deal. Everybody does it.

What about their children?

Their children will also have a much better chance of survival when compared to destroying the canvas. What are you talking about, you retard? How is "we should kill them all right now, so they might not be killed in the future" a reasonable thing to say to you?

barrier won't let him enter regardless.

Funny, Renoir and Alicia can go to the monolith. Two other immortal beings painted by Aline. But no, you have to pretend the same logic does noy apply to Verso because the story is stupid and you need to defend it.

The conflict is idiotic shit. The story sucked the moment it became about a stupid french family having a squabble.

what does it look like?

Try going to monolith before killing the axons, a cutscene triggers which shows them trying to enter but the barrier preventing, it's not about the barrier killing anyone, it physically won't let entry.

Golden ending DLC now!

Renoir and Alicia can go to the monolith. Two other immortal beings painted by Aline

Yes, because they defend her so that's fine.

She's a shit Painter.

I saw it dickhead. The barrier literally erases shit. Petals and all. Aline would not make something that can erase Verso and Renoir can't erase Verso.

If the people in the canvas don't matter then Verso in the canvas doesn't matter either.

but the soul

There is a piece of your soul in everything you make. Nobody is running around and demanding that every painting ever created gets shredded together with its creator.

Simon couldn't beat Renoir, who couldn't beat Aline.

She's the strongest painter

Aline is.

LOL he wants to argue Aline doesn't want Verso to come to her

this one, it's renoir outfit and hair for both gustave and verso

Very simple, since the barrier is erected they get to have a control over it, if Painted Renoir erected it he just gets in for free but prevents anyone else from doing so, anyone he doesn't want
This is not the plothole you think it is

because the story is stupid and you need to defend it.

The conflict is idiotic shit.

Yet again, just because the story call you retarded that doesn't mean it's stupid. The issue is you.

Simon couldn't even go past the barrier, Clea made him explicitely kill the Axon so that'd he get the Chroma. I think it's likely than Simon himself is under rules than painter aren't.
Clea knows the way to win is the slow one, making the chroma not return to Aline.

Though that raises a question: okay Clea wouldn't unleash Simon at Year 49- (when Alicia went it), but why didn't she unleash him at Lumiere in light 00-49? Maybe it wouldn't have helped her at all since Simon isn't a Nevron, so maybe he doesn't get the anti returning chroma (or not, seems a bit silly)

Those characters we baited you into liking?

They were a simulation

The theme is grief, we made the writing shit so you would feel grief, it’s intended

No the barrier prevents entry you retarded clown. Go play the game again

ew

This story would have turned out better if they kept him alive. They could have brought the relevancy of the life in the canvas to the fore front (it's what most people are concerned with anyway), and made you feel like choosing to save Alicia really counted as a great sacrifice and realization (like with Tidus from FFX), Verso wouldn't appear as a psycho since you'd have the chance to lay him to rest yourself. Plus Gustave vs Maelle as the last fight in the game is poetry (it rhymes).

Charlie Cox was not free

Get someone else.

Yeah because making it a big deal of killing a character and then bringing him back is respectable/good narrative.

No. Charlie Cox was perfect.

I didn't understand the plot at all!

Yea. It shows.

kept

Read slower.

Andy Serkis is a bigger name and he stayed all the way through

He needed to die, so Maelle had a whole journey where she grieved and started to move on.
Just to contrast with Alicia.

Nah, Verso was right letting him die
Gustave was too much of a nice guy and he would always have leverage over Maelle
Had Renoir not killed him Verso would probably had to do it afterwards (business as usual for him)

I'm not a VA fag (I didn't even recognize Shadowheart at first), and I ended up liking Verso'a voice better.

Andy Serkis is old and doesn't have an agent negotiating higher prices because he's a marvel star

She rapes Verso and births their child as seen in the ending.

Charlie Cox was busy filming Daredevil.
Apparently fans went to the Daredevil sets and he's now signing autographs as Gustave lol

Okay i admit it, i misunderstood, i thought you're one of those idiots who say Gustave should have been brought back.
Well okay, his killing is one of the biggest moment of the entire game, the game would suffer not having it. Would the benefits outweigh the cost?

He's a blank enough canvas (heh) that both choices could work. He cared about Maelle a lot, I feel he could have chosen to save her real life even if it meant erasing himself. It adds a lot more weight to that choice too.

Exactly. Gustave dying to save Maelle is the exact allegory for Verso dying to save Alicia

It had to happen.

Depends entirely on how they do the hypothetical game. If know I'd like Gustave vs Maelle a lot more and I think the choice is a lot harder if Gustave was the one to make it. But again, depends on how they'd do it.

The entire discourse around this game’s story consists of retards trying to gaslight you into thinking the writing is masterful because they really want it to be that way.

Gustave would had convinced Maelle to stay and repaint everyone which is what Verso wanted to avoid

What does it really add though? Maelle dies eventually and Alicia doesn't care as much about Gustave. An allegory for the sake of allegory is not good.

Any Serkis was in black panther and age of ultron, which are far bigger than the tv series

In one choice.

was

vs

is currently

Maybe you just want it to be shit because you are an asseater

Unlikely considering that he put Maelle over the people of Lumiere.

Well you would have to let go of Verso saving his sister twice narrative too, which is poetic. And also the fact that Aline's creation ultimately put an end to it.

good one

I want it to be good too, I love the game. I’m just not an emotionally stunted toxic positivity midwit

It shows that Alicia is in the wrong and not properly grieving.

Yes those are movies as opposed to on-going tv shows.

[extremely sad news] world's most popular youtuber asmongold can't stop playing Expedition 33

youtube.com/watch?v=SdsUex-Z7R8

no.... it was supposed to be a bad game...

You couldn't even explain why it's bad because you are quite literally an asseater

Gustave is also Aline's creation. You're right, that's a con of that path.

hes playing it because it's popular. that roach has no real emotions

watch someone else

toxic positivity

Holy reddit

No you're just a shithead who didn't like being called out by the story

I WANT IT TO BE GOOD

Yeah you want it to be the way your delusional ass would like

I watched his first video where he dies to like the game's first enemy. Never again.

he put Maelle over the people of Lumiere.

He was in shock after seeing the whole expedition being wiped in a minute. At that moment he just wanted to find Maelle and bring her back to Lumiere.
But thats not the same as letting everyone die to send her away to her world

But Gustave is also her brother, which also makes it poetic that both her brothers die to save her.

It's amazing how emotionally dead he is, nothing the game does works for him.

I don't think Gustave would let all of Lumiere die. Sure in the moment during the expedition he is blinded by his attachment to Maelle specifically, but that's also when he was already quite willing to shoot himself moments before.

If the choice comes down to it Gustave wouldn't try to push Maelle out of the canvas because doing so would mean damning all he cared about for a person who was never really Maelle. Alicia only served as a canvas for who she was in the painted world, and Alicia is strictly speaking not Maelle. The only issue remains that everyone in Lumiere is already dead regardless, Maelle would only be making new copies which is why her ending just sucks by default no matter what.

N-no she brings them back literally as they were

Everything in the narrative contradicts this. From Renoir using their chroma to paint new Nevrons to the fact that Maelle couldn't properly repaint people she never truly knew (like Pierre)

The dichotomy of the existing endings is that one is carrying on the same issue that Aline created, living a comforting lie in a painted world instead of grieving the loss and moving on, not just for Maelle but for the player themselves who refuses to accept that despite their best efforts, Lumiere is gone and the Lumiere they spent 2 acts fighting for will never be able to come back. But the lie, the facade, the idea and belief that Maelle can just revert everything, that's comforting, so they believe the lie.

Verso's ending is (ironically given his penchant for lying) the truth. Accepting it. Dealing with the fact that Lumiere is simply lost, that the painted world's doom was inevitable, that the boy did not want to keep painting in the first place. Verso (the real one) is not a painter. He is a musician, and unlike paintings his art ceases when the music stops.

Okay

Aline's Verso ultimately put an end to it

You get the point

I have several times you stupid nigger

Redditsoys are peak toxic positivity yeah

No, Aline creations are only her family members. Everything else is Verso's people/gestrals and Clea's monsters

And the game had him die to save her.
It doesn't work as well as the fake version of her brother doing what the real did saying the exact same words.

Clea is actually working with the Writers and tries to kill off her family.

No, entire lumiere is Aline's. Play the game

i watched him when he was at the end of act 1 and instead of being shocked or surprised or even sad, he just has this disgusting smile during gustave's death and keeps darting his eyes to chat

someone needs to check his pc

Tidus did it, so I think Gustave could have done that too. It'd be a nice contrast to the start of the game where he almost gave in to despair. It'd show growth as character too.

All humans are alines creations. When Alicia enters the canvas Clea says that she's being reborn as one of Aline's

Maelle wasn't really going to die then, she'd come back as Alicia. It doesn't exactly carry the same weight when we find out.

Clea is a lying bitch

Play the game

Yeah, you should. Lumiere is not Aline's creation. She is barely managing to preserve it as Renoir is deleting it (as opposed to her painted family, which Renoir cannot delete and they are basically immortal)

Lumiere is the result of the fracturing of what was originally Verso's painting, because of Aline and Renoir's fighting.

I liked Maelle so much more than Alicia
Fuck man, the trauma of losing her brother really makes that character so much worse. But it wasn't so with losing Gustave...

...you watched a stream didn't you

it's because maelle is more pure, Alicia is more mysterious and difficult to read

Tidus gave his life for the world, that's not really comparable at all. Especially since in the world of E33 the painted people are no less real people that those outside. The entirety of act 1 is all about proving just how real the people there are.

Oh yeah you're right, Verso was actually still alive and the one who painted over Alicia in that moment.

I don't know the basics of the plot but I will project my own behavior onto others to try and seem legitimate

I also cannot refute any of the factually correct things you said but I desperately want to pretend I'm still right even though I was completely and utterly wrong

Gross.

retard

Am I supposed to click on your profile to find your other posts? Again, this isn't reddit or resetera. You are getting your tabs confused. Just stop posting.

Jesus Christ, people really come out to discuss games they didn't play.

embarrassing

Why claim that I didn’t explain why the story is bad? Like you knew that I hadn’t, moron.

And Tidus' world was not real? Gustave wasn't going to save the world, but he was going to save Alicia.

So what happened to all the people Verso painted then? He created the entire canvas, remember? And also why would Aline create all of Lumiere at all? What's the point of them when all she's interested in is her fake family? She doesn't even acknowledge Lune and Sciel when they reach her.

You're not disputing my claim. He also continues to put her over Lumiere until it costs him his life and almost dooms the party.

Renoir only erases Aline's creations. It's the reason why the nevrons, gestrals etc are never touched in the gommage. Stop watching movie recaps dumbass.

I have no argument but I must keep pretending

It shows, niggy. Why can't you explain your position at all? What's the reason? We know the answer but feel free to try and invent a better sounding one than the truth if you can.

To retards: speak with Verso's ghost at Lumiere. You probably don't even have the game though.

And Tidus' world was not real

Correct, yes. That is absolutely the case. How on earth would anyone even think otherwise?

Normal human beings when they play this game just call the painted world VR and choose Verso's ending thinking that Alicia is an addict. That is the uncomplicated take.

The average person (You) is mentally retarded and is utterly bereft of abstract or critical thought and does not ruminate on what constitutes as "real." Your pea brain immediately shut off once you heard the word "canvas" and created a hierarchy of importance based on your arbitrary belief systems.

You are correct. It is not a complicated take. It is a reductive and oversimplified take which deservingly should be scoffed at. Like that anon stated, you are pulling shit out of your ass. You are a mouthbreather wearing a philosopher coat which only serves to accentuate how much of a pseud you are. Anyone who correlates a magical world of sapient autonomous beings as "VR" outs themselves drooling midwit.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoPermanenceNoStakes
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No, none of this is true. Besides one thing, yes Renoir is indeed erasing Aline's creations, just like Clea says, notice how he isn't gommaging the gestral, and only people of lumiere.

Lumiere is Aline's creation, Verso's soul says so during the final mission
i.imgur.com/FMEBQgV.png

Verso never made humans nor any buildings, it's was a world where he fucked around in with gestrals, esquie and Clea fighting the nevrons she painted. When Aline started grieving she took over his canvas and made a made the painted family and city to rp in.

It's just as real as the canvas. They had the same logistics: the had lives, children, society, sports, they created art, etc. Even more real since they could come into the real world.

Verso only painted the world and Esquie, Monoco, the Gestrals, and the Grandis
Aline painted Lumiere and the people

Renoir only erases Aline's creations

Except Verso, Renoir, Alicia and Clea

Sounds like you paid as much attention to the game as you did the conversation you're participating in. Woefully insufficient. Why not talk about how he also doesn't erase the terrain? Oh right because that makes it painfully obvious how flawed and broken your attempt at logic is. He is erasing only the HUMANS, anon, THAT is the defining quality not "Aline's creation or not"

NTA, but did you turn your brain off while playing?

How did you know I had it on and also why?

Why not talk about how he also doesn't erase the terrain?

Clea's already on it.

Lumiere is Aline's creation

Renoir isn't gommaging Lumiere, just the people in it

Hmmmm Odd how that completely disproves your bullshit, isn't it?

I have no answer but I emotionally disagree with you so I will sperg out like a toddler

Reasons, anon, remember when you make a claim you at minimum add your rationale. You're supposed to be an adult, remember?

30 hour game so most finished it in a week

almost a month since launch

multiple threads to bump limit daily just discussing the story

Bless your autism.

So that's why most discussions here are shit. People don't play video games anymore, they just watch streamers.

I'd send a screenshot if I had a save during the Alicia epilogue, but Clea word for word explains that Renoir erases Aline's oldest creations as she loses power. Her family is the most important to her so she gives priority to them first in terms preservation. Renoir also cares about the canvas so he doesn't really want to destroy everything if he doesn't have to but Clea does so anyways with her world eating Nevrons seen in the landscape of the world map

I didn't make a claim, I was asking you a question. Care to answer?

Verso made Lumiere and the gestrals
Verso dies
Aline goes into the canvas and makes her family + the inhabitants of Lumiere
Renior comes in and destroys it because muh addiction grief etc etc people most move on reee

Their fight causes Lumiere to break in half (the fracture)

Renior and Clea begin wiping out the oldest Chroma and using it to create nevrons....that guard the Monolith because...they just do ok??

Aline did not create Lumiere and you'd have to have either not played the game or just briefly watched someone else play to make such a retarded statement

If you want a really discussion, go to 8/v/

You are exactly the type of person i was referring to, the one who tries to intellectualize everything enough to create confusion and chaos, trying to smuggle in your bs
It is not hard to tell that you are also fine accepting men who call themselves women as women, you think it's so sophisticated and nuanced? Don't make me laugh.
I can own you in every domain there is, not difficult for me. Not that it's worth the time. Would be much more productive if all likes of you killed themselves when Trump got reelected.
Oh did i trigger you again? My bad.

One thing I still don't understand even after beating the game, Who exactly are Sciel and Lune and where did they come from? They seem to be way too important of characters in Verso's/Maelle's life to just be randomly created by the paintress. Why was Sciel so attached to the Axom Visage, and Lune attached to the Axom Sirene? We know Monoco was the family dog, and Esquie was Verso's plush toy, but WHO the hell are Sciel and Lune and what is their relationship to the family?

They are random people painted by the paintress.

I literally presented you an image in which Verso's soul is confirming it, and Renoir did indeed start destroying the city itself btw.

You can't even read the image you posted LMAO. Funny how it looks like it's from a stream too LMAOOOOOO

They had a right to exist until they died. The dead have no right to return at the cost of the living.

Her family is most important to her

Except that's nonsense, we see that explicitly when you fight her. Things that are SAID by characters in a story are not as important as things that actually happened in the story. She utterly rejects Verso when they meet.

Renoir also cares about the canvas

No. He cares about his family and he knows destroying the Canvas would harm them, which is why he doesn't destroy the Canvas in Maelles ending to force her out. That's part of the whole premise and issue in the story, Renoir cannot remove Aline from the painting, and as long as she's in it the painting isn't to be destroyed. Maelle just takes her place in her ending.

Clea does so anyways with her world eating Nevrons

You're really making a huge leap here, there is absolutely nothing to support this headcanon.

....that guard the Monolith because...they just do ok??

You did see what happened the first time an expedition made it to the Monolith without Piano-cuck there to lie to them, right?

not everyone needs to be special

Random people painted by the paintress wouldn't have some connection/tie to the canvas's strongest bosses. There is seriously some connection here that was never explained and hopefully explored in a future game/dlc. They're too important to be "random people"

Anon doesn't know how questions work

Oh, I see, you're pretending to be retarded? (that wasn't a question, obviously, but you apparently don't understand that much)

BARE
NAKED
MUSCLES

There very clearly is. The game is even called Clair Obscur, as in a strong contrast between light and dark.

You can just say no instead of evading it.

No one. They're not really important outside of the game needing a party. Remove them and nothing changes after Act 1.

Yes i did in fact screenshot it from a walkthrough i found you obnoxious fuck, do you think i was gonna play the game again just so i can reach that moment and screenshot it for you?
And yes, it does in fact say that Aline painted lumiere.

lol nah, would've been true and based if everyone hadn't been gommaged at the end of act 2.
As it stands, everyone is just restored chroma, not fully sentient beings, as she isn't skilled enough as a painter to make them sentient, and even if she could, they wouldn't be the same people.
She is playing sims with everyone instead of facing reality.
Verso was right.
If you don't think I am right, then ask yourself why Lune and Sciel become literal non characters after being restored.

They got gommaged by Renoir.

Anon, there's an area called old lumeire that you might have missed when fast forwarding. And you're totally right, the whole area was not erased by renoir. In fact it's entirely pristine that all the humans living there are thriving.

This isn't some generic anime bullshit where every character is the chosen one. They are just random bitches that survived Renior's assault. They got lucky that Maelle was actually the main character though.

Do you know what happens when you mix black and white? Gray.

This is what I hated most about the shift to the family drama. No one really matters except the family. Not even Monoco adds much. The Sciel scene with the Axon had a lot of people scratching their heads because there is just nothing there for her character.

How, Verso created the canvas, Aline went in after his death and painted everyone in it including her family, then schizomaxxed into it, to the point of her husband having to slowly destroy it to get her out.
It's not the family who is wrong, it's Aline for having a retarded woman moment.

Monoco is a good boy

Sciel resists the Axiom of masks because she has already dealt with her grief. (Monoco is also entirely unaffected, though it's unclear if that is truly character driven or merely comedic since his "face" is already a mask) It had no hold over her.

Lune is a bit more complicated since unlike the Axiom of masks there isn't a whole dungeon outlining and defining what they're about. My personal take was that she was simply too driven to be distracted by anything, from the beginning she is quite obsessively pursuing the goal of taking down the paintres and following logical protocol, she is simply not impressed by glamours. On Lune I find it somewhat remarkable that she coincidentally has "obsessively driven parents" and a brother and sister that, while only briefly mentioned, have a resemblance to Verso and Clea.

I also want to jump in on this and ask why Renoir didn't delete the Axioms then, as they were quite literally Aline's first attempts at recreating her family. Verso says as much.

verso the manipulating and lying bitch got to suffer
best ending

can you blame her? she lost her favorite son, and her daughter is disabled and fucked up. it's like your family dying and you just stay home playing games and reading all day to escape it.

Y-you have to answer any random question people ask of you!?

Okay anon, why did you fuck your dad in the ass? Are you some kind of turbo faggot? What's up with that?

Aline created the Axons

You need to stop. Go purchase game pass for $1 and play the game.

Anon Old Lumiere is just the other parts of Lumiere that were lost in the fracture you dumb fuck. JFC the layers of absurd headcanon are just asinine. the only reason Lumiere in the start doesn't look exactly like that is because there are still survivors living in it.

The Sciel scene with the Axon had a lot of people scratching their heads because there is just nothing there for her character.

No, Sciel's is understandable, Lune's is the retarded one.

It's related to the game and your experience with it.

It is not hard to tell that you are also fine accepting men who call themselves women as women,

No, actually. And I voted for Trump. So your erroneous presumptions are doing little to corroborate your nonexistent point. But see how your pea brain can only deflect and pivot the discourse to your fetish and politics like the average Anon Babbleirgin? You have nothing of substance to add to the discussion. And no, shit out of your ass that your proceed to throw like a feral ape is not substance. You are simply a subhuman IQ retard and again, deserves to be mocked and ridiculed.

Yes we can blame her, and also she doesn't care that her daughter is damaged, she blames her for his death and even paints her painted version with same damages

How is Sciel understandable? What indication is there in the game that she wears a mask over her real self?

Answer the question instead of evading it.

not fully sentient beings

another headcannon from versofag
inbd

they are not real

maelle's puppet

ai

chat gpt

The Sciel scene with the Axon had a lot of people scratching their heads

It would have made a lot more sense if that was Verso.

Right after you answer mine.

It was his Axion and he wears many masks.
Sciel doesn't, that's why their chemistry is good.

No anon, the point is that she is the only one who DOESN'T wear a mask. God damn man how are you so far off on this? Even Lune is hiding her emotions behind a mask of rationale.

If you dream a city where people have families, create art, suffer, are happy, etc. Does that make them real?

I don't have to act on YOUR beliefs, anon. You should, or are you merely suggesting others act on your beliefs while you're absolved, a hypocrite?

The point is that Sciel DOESN'T.
she's always honest and at most there's stuff She doesn't feel like talking about, but doesn't hide herself.

this may be hard to believe, but some people actually enjoy more complex endings that have a lot to discuss.

Never said it wasn't. Reading comprehension.

I didn't get the idea any of them were wearing masks except for Verso. That is what Lune is, only after you complete her quest she realizes maybe she doesn't need to be that, but it doesn't mean she's hiding herself.

Yep. As someone who played the game myself (Chose Sciel because she offer herself first and chose Verso because better to accept reality than cope in some fake illusion sniffing paint) I can tell you that a lot of people here definitely haven't played the game.

I guess the real expedition 33 was the 33 hours I wasted on this dogshit story

Are you real? Define what that means and we can start having this talk, but otherwise it will remain pseudo-philosophical sophistry.

I liked the genre shift, just wish there was more to it

Sure you did clown. You're a leftist and will die a leftist
You didn't address any of my points, you know you can't. You simply do not like the verdict and shrug off everything else.
The fact that among everything here it's my old post here you decided to respond to proves what truly triggered you among everything here, nothing of substance to add, yeah you wish, eh?

Yeah you don't have to, just telling you that if you want me to answer your question you should answer mine first.

Never said it wasn't

Then by all means instead of being a retard about it why not explain what you did mean then? You seemed to imply old Lumiere was an erased version and new Lumiere was a recreation by Aline. I have no idea what you were otherwise trying to suggest.

Especially since, if anything, it proves the premise that Renoir is just deleting anything he can and not just people completely wrong, because he actually hasn't deleted old Lumiere, it just sits there, destroyed and empty because it is overrun by Nevrons.

doesn't answer because he knows dreams are not real

Why? You think it normal to ask people random questions and demand they answer, but won't answer yourself while setting conditions you never allowed the other person?

Why don't you answer first, anon? A question for a question, an answer for an answer. It is absurd to demand both the first question and the first answer.

Of course the reason is obvious, you're a hypocrite retard who is desperately trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, and failing at every turn.

The ending where she stays is basically that one video where that guy's mom is screaming at him to stop playing the game because he's shitting himself lmao.

Renoir is just deleting anything he can and not just people completely wrong, because he actually hasn't deleted old Lumiere, it just sits there

You're now confusing Painted Renoir with Renoir? It's painted Renoir who was in the old lumiere

Gets an answer

"n-no that's not what I wanted to hear it doesn't count!"

Cool, knew you were just trying sophistry. Calling out you muppets is too easy.

To be honest, I didn't even do the romances. Felt like this suspicious dude was stealing Gustave's girls. It was something weird the game went with, they should have removed the romances.

Play.
The.
Piano.

Failing reading comprehension this badly

How the fuck did you get so lost in the conversation buddy? Painted Renoir has absolutely NOTHING to do with the point being discussed.

have this non-answer

"that's not an answer"

too bad buck lol I win I'm very smart :)

Anon, no one is demanding anything from you. I dunno why a simple question is triggering your autism.

Gustave's girls

Gustave only had one girl, and she's gone. What kind of absolutely insane headcanon is it to think Gustave would ever settle for Sciel or Lune?

I mean, did you look at Sciel's ass. Lune has a nice rack too.

It's the good ending because in Verso's ending she has to live in Fr*nce

It's because Sophie made a joking remark and most people here have autism.

the romances thing feel awkward and out of places, like verso just betray them again and lune decide to fuck her? thats really out of character and sciel know her husband could live again and she cuck him, wtf???

Painted Renoir was literally living in the old lumiere, they are opposing forces and real Renoir doesn't always have the the upper hand. You think he can just walk there and erase the city? And for that given erasing the beings is clearly a priority

Nahh yehhh nuuhhh...

Lumiere is just another name for Paris, look it up

Majority of lumeire has been erased, during the initial fracture. Renoir cannot erase what Aline holds onto and only erases what she lets go of as she loses power. Similar to her family as is the manor, lumeire is a higher priority on the preservation list than the other humans, which is why the rest does not get gommaged. It does start to happen to lumeire as well once Renoir takes over.

"n-n-no it's a non-answer because I don't like it!"

It's a non answer in the sense that you were asked to define the criteria within your question. Why are you refusing? You basically rolled in and asked "Hey what's x+7??" And when asked to define x you started sperging out over not getting an answer.

Why are you so adamant about acting like a complete retard when all you have to do is define what is real, which is a rather integral component to your question?

I know why, of course, and it's because you don't even have an inkling of an answer, because you're a complete and utter retard who couldn't possibly parse such concepts and that led you to assume you figured out some magic "gotcha" bereft of any semblance of actual reasoning. And now you're throwing a fit because your stupid gotcha is exposed for what it is. Grow the fuck up kid.

BG3 was really successful with the romances so I guess they wanted to replicate that? Except the game shifted hard from that type of game after Act 1 so it does feel really out of place.

You know dreams are not real, stop being dishonest, retard. That's why no one takes you seriously.

Answer my question!

I'm not demanding anything!

Lol. So dishonest.

You have no points to address. Your rhetoric (and delusions of my political leanings) exist solely in your head. That lovely walnut you retreat to whilst denying reality to reinforce the bullshit you tell yourself every day.

triggered

Oh yes. You caught me. I am literally shaking and frothing at the mouth, just like the person you when you gaze in the mirror.

Really, child. You do not have a leg to stand on about being "triggered" when you start rambling about troons and Trump out of nowhere on a video game board. It's clear you're writing these posts with tears clouding your vision and snot dripping while looking for some sort of "got'em", but it's not going to happen. You lost this little exchange and there is nothing a midwit like you can do to recover.

I wasn't planning the romances and shit. I just tend to answer any first playthrough of games like this as honestly as possible. IRL if a girl offers sex to me I tend to fold really quickly, unless she a hog. Same thing as to why I answer honestly to Alicia when she asked about if I could have saved Gustave. I was brutally honest because fuck it no need to hide something that's self evident. Lies are only good when the lie can't be found out but when a women obviously knows you lied to them, if you keep lying they tend to get even madder. It's best to just be honest but explain why you lied. Like in this example Gustave would have been in the way of doing what needed to be done and he sadly had to go.

Care to quote me demanding answers?

N-no you cannot just dismiss my gotcha! It totally works!

Except it doesn't. And I've demonstrated why. Move on kid, persisting in your folly like a deranged lunatic won't magically turn things around and make it work.

If you cannot even define the basic elements of your question, you do not have a question, you have some belief you mean to assert.

Care to answer the question?

Anyone reading this can see you refuse to acknowledge dreams as real.

You don't seem to know what a demand is.

felt like they rushing act 3, the quality falls short

And now you've retreated all the way into writing fiction about things you not only do not know, but cannot know, because you simply wish to believe it.

As I said, all you have is beliefs you intend to assert. Nothing with any actual thought to it. It's rather pitiful to see such a hollow, shallow shambles of person trying to act as though it knows how to think.

The question wasn't abstract or difficult anon, define what "real" means to you, and we can talk. Why is it that you cannot manage it?

>they are not real

correct, they are paintings inside a canvas, while her real family is outside knowing she is killing herself to keep the canvas going

>maelle's puppet

yes, all of them, when she want to, and by the look if the ending she has no problem puppeteering them, verso into playing the piano, and everyone else to enjoy it as if nothing bad happens

Oh we're making random shit up about each other now? I guess it's my turn?

You seem to have an obsession with acting retarded on purpose!

Yes that is what i am saying, you are not addressing any of the points
You are in fact projecting, as you are the one shitting out of your mouth from the very first post you made, there is absolutely nothing of substance in anything you say
You shrug of every point with no explanation whatsoever, screaming insults left and right, like a triggered leftist you are.
What am i supposed to tell you when that is your first response to me, of course i am gonna just call a deranged leftist lunatic and move on.
There is nothing else to respond to, you make no points, and you admit you make no points.

You can go now, you're free.

Yeah, because nobody knows what's real or not and need to jump into a philosophical discussion that will obviously lead nowhere. Next time you're dreaming, don't wake up, or you might genocide a world by accident.

Because nobody knows

If so, why is it so difficult for you to answer the question? Cease the pointless babble anon, you're making excuses a toddler could call you out on, it's utterly pitiful to see you try.

Do you feel better now, sweetie?

why are you not falling into my trap?

You're not as smart as you think you are.

Only fags say sweetie
And even this post of yours is a projection. You brought up an old post of mine out of nowhere, started screaming insults and now you're done.
So the question is to you, you feel better now, bro?

This mad

Seemingly not eh?
Sigh. It is what it is. Ain't my fault you're a deranged lunatic. I tried.

Mad as FUCK

Lmao

What trap? You're being asked to define the most basic elements of your question. The fact that you consider something so basic a "trap" exposes what you were trying to do. It's not even remotely difficult, but the issue is that you were once again just projecting a belief without any actual thought behind it. A more sensible question would be "if dreams aren't real then how can you suggest that the painted people in Verso's canvas are real" because you're using an abstract concept such as "real" you first have to anchor it to something and give it context. Of course, doing so immediately exposes the error in logic you're applying, as dreaming of a metal vehicle that drives might not be real, but as soon as you build a car it's real. The painted world is not a dream, it is a real, living creation. While the people inside it might not be the same as humans outside it, that does not change their existential nature in any capacity. This is further underlined by the fact that the painted world has to be destroyed by external forces.

You can fuck off now, by the way. Stop pretending you were ever interested in talking.

Alicia is a retard who got her brother killed, how can anyone support her?

what are you talking about? are you high?