give players what they want
they still refuse to buy it
Give players what they want
Inquiry
I won't be satisfied until there's a court martial headed by the Chief Admiral
Players don't know what they want. They'll cry if you don't "keep the original formula" and if you do they'll cry if you don't innovate
How do you fuck up doom when doom fans literally just want to click on demons in hallways?
inquirey
What does this even mean?
people can't run shit modern games
keep making shit modern bloatware games
surprise pikachu.jpeg because no ones wasting time buying overpriced shit they can't play outside of retards, content creators, & die hard retards
Seems unnecessary but im not even sure what they mean and im not reading this article either to find out. Far as im concerned it's just jews mad cause number didn't go up
Players wanted a story centered around some woman?
slow boring combat
modern audience shit in the writing
not buying it
The gameplay looks janky in every video and the red green attack markets look way too video gamey compared to the tone of the game.
Oh and lol get the fuck out of here with your 80€ pricetag.
It underperforms because it is $80, and despite the claims and analysts and wishful thinking of executives, gamers are not actually ready and willing to pay $80 for video games.
Only GTA 6 is going to get away with this kind of a price hike, it is delusional to think higher video game prices can become the new normal in general without sales numbers tanking.
There was no need for such drastic course correction after Eternal, though. People got used to that game with time.
Literally who wanted this?
the only thing that would make me change my mind would be
1. public execution by firing squad of every single developer
2. complete groveling and supplication apology from all the people responsible
3. the entire company scrapped and all assets given for free to anyone who requests it
if and only if these are met, I will consider buying the game
I am not mentally ill btw
require rtx
It's a fun game but it ain't Doom
Which is a problem when Eternal was almost as Doom as Doom, probably as Doom as a modern game can be
Gamers don't want shitnuvo and shit perfomance
dont think theres ever been a shooter from way back that didnt turn to complete shit trying to adapt to current generations of players, they worked back then for a reason and to suddenly remake/remaster/reimagine them now is just stupid
Just look at the video of the mech fight against a huge demon. It looks like a super Sentai fight. No impact or strength in any of the movement.
give players what they want
I don't recall seeing a single huge tiddy in the trailer or the in-game footage since release
Nobody asked for a third Doom game. Eternal already gave everyone what they could ask for and Dork Ages does nothing interesting
But Monster Hunter Wilds did fine. If they didn't want to pay the $100 2-day early access, they could've waited with the $70 one.
Which is a problem when Eternal was almost as Doom as Doom, probably as Doom as a modern game can be
easy there, buddy
Lack of multiplayer is the reason, but they won't acknowledge that fact. People want a basic competitive multiplayer mode to go with any given FPS and they skipped over that entire this time for no good reason.
Just watch it, this will end up being considered the best Doom in 10 years out of the new trilogy.
The price is the other reason.
retards buying shit for retards is fine
Good work anon you figured out why the industry is fucked. Tune in next time when we figure out why it'll never be fixed
$80 DOOM: The Blandening edition.
base your entire gameplay around boring shield mechanics
DOOM dragon segments are lazy developer tier content
require rtx when most of the planet probably still doesn't have a card that can operate it
put it on gamepass after people watch early access streams about how shit the game is
Literally the ONLY thing keeping bethesda alive right now is the oblivion remake. That's two fucking stinkers in a row. If they manage to make the next elder scrolls flop we might see another ubisoft tier collapse.
Fuck em.
MH is one of the most popular franchises in the world and especially in Asia where the market for shit like that is huge.
You fags spent 5 years complaining that Eternal "wasn't a real Doom game" and then instantly did a 180 when this was shown off. Now you're going to spend the next 5 years complaining that this "isn't a real Doom game" and then do a 180 as soon as the next game comes out.
MH has a live service angle going for them so they can afford to do that shit. Doom was never that type of game. It came first and has a ton of goodwill but it never actually had the pull to demand $80 for a singleplayer centered game. And most of the competition there is now FREE with skins/lootbox/VIP pass business models so it's way behind on all metrics.
Just a complete shit show all around. Fun to watch every now and then.
Eternal should have been considered a magnum opus. But covid hurt it.
reddoom
do nyot reddoom saar
I don't think anyone was hoping for a Doom version of redlight greenlight. The obnoxious colored parry slo-mo shit is retarded. And you're paying a silly amount for a short single player game.
I'm pretty sure Microsoft is driving up the purchase prices mostly because they wish it is going to drive more people into becoming renters instead of buyers through the Game Pass.
require rtx when most of the planet probably still doesn't have a card that can operate it
Yeah the entire point of pc gaming is to look and perform better than a console, and they shit all over that by halving everyone's performance cause they were too lazy to light the game. High end cards should easily be hitting 200 frames with a game like this and they're struggling to hit 150 without upscaling and framegen
Monster hunter is not a huge franchise. It's had 2 huge games and that is it retard. The only reason world blew up is because streamers & it was under 25 bucks within a year. The only reason wilds is doing well is because they paid asmongold & a literal tranny to shill their shit
It's true. AAA studios always try to put a hat on a hat
also, the slippery slope is a fallacy, chuds
require rtx when most of the planet probably still doesn't have a card that can operate it
It's this one by far.
It's by no means a great game, but a major franchise like this with little to no controversies that's vaguely positively regarded should've sold like hotcakes, particularly given that worse games have easily sold better.
But the outright inability to play the game due to requiring what's essentially (in the grand scheme of Graphics card ownership) a niche feature present on only a few owned cards is a death sentence on PC, despite it being a feature on most Consoles.
80$ saar
PC players are only interested in playing flavor of the month meme indie garbage like Palword and Cookie Clicker
what they want
Clearly no one wanted any of this
It's not about the gameplay
It's not about the cinematics
It's about the fact that it's a prequel. That's literally the only reason. People instinctively hate prequels. They know they are unimportant because otherwise the story would've started with them. To make a successful prequel you need to promise them that they will witness a great change, like Anakin turning into Darth Vader. TDA doesn't have that at all, Doomguy doesn't change, he is a killing machine from start to finish.
Thus, everyone knows that TDA is simply less than Eternal
reddit trannies cried about Eternal being "too fast and too weapon focused"
iD instead of just ignoring them slows the game down and dumbs down the guns
proceeds to add scripted bullshit turret sequences and other gimmicks too
and a fucking story which no one asked for when Eternal was already panned for its somewhat minimal story too
80 European credits
Yeah fuck that, I didn't like Eternal's gameplay and having a shield gimmick sure doesn't sound worth the price
It's not Doom. It's not Quake. It's not Hexen. It's a little weird and a little bland.
I just got done playing it for 10 hours, what the fuck is this story?
I think Capcom and From are the only ones that could milk me for 70$ or more, since I know almost for sure that I'll spend at least a hundred hours on a monhun or souls title, probably a few hundred hours in fact over a long enough time. So it isn't the worst bang for buck. Something like Doom I'd play once and be done with, not opening my wallet for that.
who asked for a giant robot?
we want the marvel audience
When did I say I wanted slow, shield focused combat with an emphasis on parries?
I don't think either game was a real doom, faglord.
If it didn't have doomguy or doom in the title no one would even fucking know it's a doom game, just be some random fucking fantasy faggotry 7/10 blip that's forgotten about immediately.
To be fair, half the casual audience was complaining Eternal had a giant robot in the base that never got used.
wilds isnt 80.
Give players what they want
kick out composer that made the soul of your reboot
keep gamifying your game with color-coded parries
make guns kinda poop
remove swapping entirely instead of making it not mandatory for microscopic damage phases
They did a lot of things wrong with this one but outside of that the game is pretty good. Genuinely just burned a lot of goodwill with eternal and the drama. Also
can't run game
Optimization is a myth to modern devs
the entire point of pc gaming is to look and perform better than a console
The entire point of PC gaming is flexibility. You can run it on your $5000 beast to make it look better than consoles at higher FPS, or you can run it on your old budget PC at low settings and 30 FPS if you want. Or even an 'eck.
I didn't even know about it being a prequel, the moment I heard it had forced raytracing I did a 360 and walked away, stopped looking into the game and basically wrote it off.
10 hour long game
2 of those hours are in cutscenes
Turret Segments and weird flight segments
Removes one of the most renown video game composers of all time.
Story is only loosely tied to the actual Doomslayer
Slowed down gameplay
People complained actively about the one faggy enemy that forced players to react and parry. Dude what if we designed a sequel with that mechanic as the main gimmick.
Gee I wonder why there might be a couple complaints.
this brown cringe gabage shit is not doom
but THIS cringe garbage shit that's also colorful and represents all colors from my favorite rainbow fag flag is DA REEL DOOOOM I SAY RIP AND TEAR RIP AND TEARINGLY HAHA LE EPIC ZOOM SLAYA SLAYS DEMONZZZ FUCK YEAH
Fuck off, nigger
no controversies
The Mick Gordon thing was huge even if it was everyone's fault
80 EU bucks for the same copypasted American school simulator
No thanks
I wanted mandatory ray tracing, always online drm and cringe ah ah lore at a 70 dollar price tag?
My friend was going to buy it but didn't because it costs fucking 90€ for standard edition
As a rule, man is a fool.
When it's hot, he wants it cool.
When it's cool, he wants it hot.
Always wanting what is not.
gameplay>colours
Removes one of the most renown video game composers of all time.
This shit's huge. Music's important, it's like half the reason E33 is selling so well.
It's the reason I got into nu-Doom, Nier Gestalt, Umineko... Just blasting the soundtrack on youtube until I eventually bought the games.
>give players what they want
who asked for a shield, slowmo melee, turret sections, giant robot sections, etc.?
Who wanted this?
You whiny fucks complained about eternal despite it being the peak of gameplay and difficulty out of any of the doom games, and now you want to complain it isn't like eternal
No one asked for this.
It's better than eternal.
It's still shit.
Suffah Painkiller the Bulletstorm ages.
eternal should have had a giant robot section because they kept showing off giant robots and never put you in one
unfortunately in this one the giant robot sections just suck
Monster hunter is not a huge franchise
Anon, they released a freaking hollywood movie for it. It's a bigger franchise than you realize.
It's better than eternal.
it's not
Nier Gestalt
crazy how the story & music makes that dogshit combat worth it
Only bit of Eternal I ever complained about was the DLC, because some of the design choices they made there were retarded. Worst one being that Spirits could only be damaged by the worst weapon mod because they wanted to make a stupid ghost busters reference
It genuinely looks like shit, both in presentation and in gameplay. It reminds me of a mobile game.
I didn't wanted that game
make an entire new fanbase of nu-doom fans
We've returned to the classic projectile based gameplay of the classic dooms!
Also here's your shield (????)
The game is just fucking confused
Anon Babble lost
Eternal Chads won bigly
Doom and Eternal were THE templates for modern PC optimization
lets take about 20 steps back with forced Meme Tracing
How? How do you royally fuck up the one good thing you were known for?
Anon Babbleedditors are so focused on the surface appearance of eternal they can't see the gameplay, which makes sense since most have never played it because they hate video games
It is but that doesn't mean much for anyone that isn't an eternalfag hoping an even bigger trainwreck will absolve them with the star wars prequeleffect
neutered game at full price when I have hundreds of games to play instead
Accessibility is a cancer. If you water down and make everything shitty to not offend or exclude anyone, you get something that nobody gives a shit about.
Nearly every show for kids had that stupid fucking
what if everyone was a grey blob and nothing stood out
and we literally have AAA gaming forgetting that basic lesson.
I'm glad games are dying its been a long time coming
So how many dollars better than doom 2016 does it look?
QRD/Summary of the story? Sounds like a shitshow.
Doomguy gets caught under a fridge so you play as a black disabled trans person (female identifying)
10 hour long game that gets boring halfway in
I run it at the ultra nigger preset. And I think microshit should me refund gapeass for the month. Maybe the first ID game that brings no gfx improvement.
the story is eternal's story
Eternal wasn't on gamepass at launch, and was launched during covid.
Hold to skip
Only if you are a triple a fag who doesn't play any other games. So basically 90% of those cock gobbling homosexuals here, including you.
One of the tragicomic aspects of Dark Ages is that they clearly tried to copy the old school Heavy Metal Magazine aesthetic and vibe, but did it without any of the edge and sexiness that were staples of the Heavy Metal Magazine aesthetic.
I want Doom 2016 v2, not zoom eternal not dark ages.
Good, they will bake their lighting to get more sales.
I watched the digital foundry video, that part where he is in a big room with a huge statue and nothing going on
"all the lighting in this scene is dynamic"
Why?
inqueery
The fact its "queer" at all is the problem.
Wokeslop is over.
Nobody wanted a game gated past a ray tracing video card
give players what they want
Who in the fuck asked for more casual parryslop downgrade sequels?
We are seeing quality indie studios popping up coming out of the wreckage of the AAA studio dumpster fire.
$80 standard AAA pricing is going to be the death of mediocre studios that churn out mediocre trash and expect the masses to just eat it up.
anon san! girls with dicks
Its really the hardware limitations.
The gameplay is fine, but it also requires way too fucking much to run, while looking not much better than 2016 did.
MH wilds was really the nail in the coffin for normies when it comes to slopping ip unoptimized dogshit.
It just comes off as inauthentic. Like the designers never actually cracked one of these opened or took one look at one of the girls in thongs holding big ass swords and went "yikes sweaty, that's a lil too male gaze-y ya'll." It all reeks of the kind of guy that would get uncomfortable if a girl hit on him.
The gameplay is fine
Oh yeah, who doesn't love the constant slowdown every time you block, or that the blocking angles are all over the place. Or were you talking about the gameplay from the dragon and mech parts? Get real, champ.
The novelty of boomer shooters has worn off and people are certainly not willing to pay $70 for one
I'm not paying 80€ for a videogame.
I hope the AAA industry crashes and burns so they get their heads out of their asses.
I didn't want Dark Ages, I wanted a brand new DOOM interpretation. Even if it was something crazy, I'm just tired of Doom Slayer shit. Don't get me wrong I loved 2016 and Eternal and I'll probably get Dark Ages eventually but I'm tired of this portrayal of Doom now. It needs to move on.
Especially when better games are selling $50 or less.
I want horror DOOM again, sue me.
I'm not A$ 119.95 for a FPS game with no multiplayer
What the players want is to shoot at the cyberdemon till it dies. And it seems id Software is hellbent on ensuring there's as little of that as possible.
They're running into the exact same problem as 3D platformers in the late 90's where every developer thought just making a good 3D platformer wasn't good enough and so you got games with endless gimmicks like vehicle levels, additional non-platforming characters and literally thousands of collectibles.
I look forward to seeing the next Doom reboot in about fifteen years that'll go back the basics of shooting at the cyberdemon till it dies.
I was cruising through TikTok, and happened to catch one of the dragon riding scenes.
And that fucking gameplay looked like one of those fake Chinese mobile game ads. Shit looked stiff, rigid, hard, solid. Like you're playing an on-rails shooter.
Fucking dogshit if you ask me.
game went up $10 since release
Has this ever happened before? A company releasing for $70 then immediately doing a price hike to $80? Why isn’t there more outrage?
I think this is a great example of what happens when an alpha version of game gets greenlit into full production. I don't mind the shield and melee, but it bogs the game down. Everyone universally hates the mechs and turrets. You should have been able to pick a unique playstyle, but the shield is objectively the only way to play the game. It's already been repeated to death, but the music is probably the sole reason everyone is dogpiling this game. Generic AI created music in a Doom game is unacceptable. That's one of the major things that hurt Eternal and 2016
I literally bought this because everyone on Anon Babble was complaining about it. And I don’t see why people hate it so much. It’s expensive but it’s not a bad game at all. It’s also hard to find other places where this is getting as much negative feedback as Anon Babble, so it’s possible that most people actually like it, much to your chagrin. Maybe not everyone is obsessing over Exposition 33 like you are?
they actually used AI for the soundtrack
Wow, no wonder it’s been so critically panned. Maybe companies shouldn’t use AI after all. Is there a possibility that Mick Gordon could sue since Bethesda probably trained the AI on him?
Game looks so fucking reddit and I have no intention on buying it.
Make it dark and edgy, and now you have my interest. I want ACTUAL Doom Medieval with a dark atmosphere, not this cringe looking shit. Give me the 90s back, YES THE 90s AND EARLY 2000s WERE SUPERIOR IN ART AND SETTING ACROSS ALL ENTERTAINMENT MEDIUMS.
Are there really that many people bitching they can't run a new game with a 7+ year old graphics card? The game has many problems that make it an objective downgrade from previous entries, but it runs fucking fantastic and looks great. Any crying about needing a card from this decade is either a child or brown.
Objective fact: the vast majority agree that Eternal is the best Doom. Nobody was looking forward to the "stand your ground" gameplay or the shitty gimmick dragon segments when they were revealed.
Is it actually AI made? I saw people saying it was whoever Microsoft already had on retainer.
Their attempt to appease console plebs failed. You can't aim fast and accurately on console. Double so when you traverse the world at the same time in the air. But you can press a buttons with reliably timing. Hence parryslop.
I didnt know I asked for boring dogshit
give players what they want
What I wanted was a game that runs on my 3060, they didn't give me that because they didn't want my money
When will companies realize that:
1) Bigger scope is not always better. Open world is not always good. The narrow scope of Doom 2016 suit that franchise the best.
2) This Denuvo/DRM garbage won't get them more sales it will just piss people off.
Medieval DOOM leaks
oh cool
Trailler comes
Its basically the same but with a shield Eternal and 2016
Nigger, you could call Eternal "medieval DOOM" because there is a level of a fucking castle
Worse in every aspect than
It runs fine on a 3060 though?
Its the same stupid bullshit there was in 2016 and Eternal with completely random cool shit
They forgot the cool part and added 10 times the cinematics tho
...
I am going to tell you a secret
50% of Eternal and 2016 is the OST
maybe you should try getting a job instead
(me)
What the FUCK has 4chins done here lmao
would love to buy it when they sell it at a reasonable price
I wouldn't go that far but the OST has done wonders to sell people on the game(s). I wonder how many people ended up buying 2016 just because they saw some funny video where BFG Division suddenly starts playing.
It's not AI. People need to stop throwing that around as another word for bad, as it's just misinformation. Arguably what they did was worse, and they hired a corporate audio team whose catalog of music is Microsoft Flight Simulator, and various television ads.
You could tell Marty was fucking SEETHING over the Mick situation, so they hired the most corporate people possible who would never stand out, and never get in his way.
everything you wanted
Does this one still have you playing as the super god clone fabled doomslayer and not a random marine.
This is pretty important
2 weeks ago you had fucking Expedition 33 sold for 50 bucks
And then this, with a 15h mid story and "green good red bad" gameplay comes in and costs 70$ +tax +tip +tariffs
Make Captain America gamae
Put DOOM skin on it
"Why aren't people playing Captain America simulator?"
dont buy game immediately cause it costs some money
do the zoom zoom thing and watch e celebs play it instead
e celebs hate it
no longer want to buy it
okay schizo
ai slop article
ai slop artwork
Because its a fake game. It was obviously a quake reboot that csuite veto'd halfway through development.
Anon, they released a freaking hollywood movie for it. It's a bigger franchise than you realize.
increase price to push goypass subscriptions
forced ray tracing making it so most people can't play it at a decent framerate
add a bunch of mechanics that may turn off the players who would look past the previous two points
be surprised when people pass on it
I think most people's gripe is that it does not ultimately even look much better than Doom Eternal.
you are the dumbest, blackest shade of nigger skin I have ever seen it has nothing to do with multiplayer
Market analyses are useless in the current world of social media where a handful of retards can gaslight entire corporations with their own beliefs and interests by virtue of being very, very loud.
it was announced for gamepass the day the game was revealed you stupid fuck
The game would be better if it was actual medieval DOOM with melee combat and ripping demons apart with an axe, and the parries would make sense then as well
This is colossal cope from poors
I would have been pretty mad if this is what they tried to pass off as Quake. As far as doomslop goes though it’s pretty fun
is that a shield? why does doomslayer have a shield?
Can someone explain why Doom the dark ages is le bad?
Why is everybody saying this game is $80? Everywhere I see it it's selling for $70
DEI game innit?
STAND.
How? Because it has a female character in it?
I immediately refunded it after the part with the giant mech. It was the most uninspired, unfun shit. Nothing about it feels like Doom, either.
Maybe it gets good later on, I'll never know, I don't care anymore.
It's woke
>give players what they want
i don't want to pay $119.95 for le heckin doomerino, and especially not $169.95 for le premium version
UT was doing okay until they started pandering to consolefags and sabotaging their pc fanbase
Because they wanted to make a melee doom and then they shat themselves and added the weapons back in, that is why they are all bland as fuck
Its boring
There's your mistake, they didn't give players what they want. They tried to pander to the kind of crowd that never wanted to buy the game they just want to watch Korone play it
It's simple with the amount of mediocre games now released most gamers now have had it beaten in to them to wait and see rather than assume it'll be a good game it doesn't help with the price increases.
Gamers also typically don't have alot of disposable income because they spend there time on this self destructive hobby and everything else is getting expensive
And also from me who runs it on max settings. Really coping hard here running a new id game on expensive hardware and getting nothing special out of it.
It's very expensive. Even the grey market key I bought was 60€
looks barely better than Eternal
cuts your framerate by 75% for no reason
The ray tracing meme needs to be stopped.
>Removes one of the most renown video game composers of all time.
let's not get ahead of ourselves there
80€ for a 10 hour bang bang wahoo game
Sorry Bethesda but I'm just not gonna buy it is all
Oh, it was 80 burgerbux? Yeah, that explains it.
every 60$+ game that releases on gamepass flops on every other store
Truly a mistery for the ages...
Didnt say it was something special
DOOM games are always going to look like plastic apparently, but this plastic is much higher quality than Eternal
$80
Stupid niggers can't even check the price on steam
doom 2016 was the best out of the nu doom games
”It’s also possible, of course, that the game may be selling better on consoles, and it’s currently third on the PS Store’s best-sellers list”
OOOOOFFFFFF!!!! that article doesn’t paint a pretty picture of the Personal Computer sisters, why are PC only fats so cheap, can’t they afford games after spending $5000 Flumpft adjusted dollarydoos on a Chinese GPU?!?? do they want iD to die? cheap ass broke ass PC niggas
Monster hunter is not a huge franchise.
Its had multiple millions sellers before world, which itself almost broke 30 million copies sold.
Monster Hunter is pretty big and has the numbers to prove it. Its not some niche bullshit that likes to flaunt itself like Fire Emblem or Persona, its actually pretty well known.
its 80 bucks over here
bruh. they attempted that with quake and failed. what made them think they could do it this time?
Only the game that has a 90% Brazillian playerbase will get away with this
anon... Like 75% of the sales from GTAV have been from when it was at 10$ or lower...
funny games at 49,99 are being bought like crazy
aaa devs are out of their mind
People are mad that this isn't just Eternal again, just like when people were mad that Eternal wasn't 2016 again.
!!!
???
GTFO
Block
Block
Block
Shoot the coloured part
Block
AND they are largely to play on RP servers lmao
I really think people might be severely overestimating how much is GTA going to sell
what if we took a franchise about shooting things... AND GAVE HIM A SWORD AND SHIELD? REDDIT WILL LOVE IT!
I’m enjoying it and almost finished it but jesus christ it feels barebones compared to the other two nu-Dooms, I thought the lack of multiplayer was going to free up more dev time for more Master Levels, Horde mode at launch or just something that offers replayability but its just…campaign
not even a fucking roadmap or announced plans outside of a DLC at some point within the next year
were they even confident in this title at all?
Yeah but why did they only give you the shield
boring dragon and mech levels and other lame shit like that
still less freedom than 2016 but in the other direction, instead of being punished for stubbornly using one gun, they punish you for stubbornly trying to swap
the only meaningful mechanic in this game is parrying
the story is dumber and feels less like DOOM than ever
i don't like nu-doom i liked 3 but nu-doom was off, the whole execution animation got reused in the first tutorial room.
woke parryslop FPS for a premium price
press q to watch another prebaked kill animation
give players what they want
I didn’t upgrade my PC when I had the chance before the great Tariff Wars of 2025 and I refuse to fund the genocide by subscribing to Game Pass, I will wait for a deep sale when I can finally afford a new GPU in 10 years time
The price they are asking for doesn't match the quality of their game, simple as.
A month ago I bought a awesome innovative game with a unique style, world and gameplay for $20 and spent a wonderful 30 hours in it. It was worth it, despite some technical and balance problems.
And now after that you're asking me to pay 4 times more for a 10-hour game in the most boring, trivial and oversaturated genre with marvel tier cutscenes and story. Sorry but no, your game is not worth that much. $10 and I might consider buying it. I don't give a fuck how many pajeets you hired and how much you spent on advertising and voice actors, if you want $80 you have to give me a game worth it.
give players what they want
What players want is different than what players say they want. Don't listen to what people say, look at what they do.
give players what they want
which is an interesting paradox since PC players don’t know what the fuck they want, evil nihilistic Godless platform
Why is everybody saying this game is $80?
Canadians and Aussies, most likely.
UT and Quake already have a shield and melee weapons respectively and they were fun
Dark Age is just trash gameplay
aussies
nope its much more for us
All that sperging
In all honesty anon, go get some help before you end up shooting kids in a school.
This genshin weeb shit makes gorillions... just because of boobs?
Should we...? Nah
Not saying it would be good but to me it's bizarre to think they haven't even tried, just like how the industry keeps trying to push GaaS garbage and get their own fortnight.
I didn't want THAT, I wanted The Ancient Gods Part 1 but bigger.
Eternal considered the best
I've played through Eternal twice. The second time around was to get the secrets I missed. I fucked around with the cheats for a bit and got bored. I've had no desire to go back and play it again.
How did any of u expect anything from these devs when they already fucked up 2016 doom.
pretty sure i never asked for any of this shit
also
80
they better get used to these sales if they want to push that price
this is the new norm
game isn't on the disc even though it would fit
PC requires RTX and won't play without it
80 dollars
single player game that requires ALWAYS ONLINE or it won't work
you tell me
Start watching preview for the game
Hear dev say the words "gameplay loop"
Interest lost
Its a product, not a game.
$70 for a 17 to 20-hour game isn't gonna find a big audience at the present moment. It's probably that simple. Consumer sentiment is in the shitter -- basically the worst ever recorded.
genuinely insane to me that anyone could play 2016 and come away thinking "the best part of this game is that you can walk forward with nothing but the super shotgun and just blast demons!"
all of the shooters before 2016 already let you do that. it's not special.
the gameplay itself is the exact reason I didn't like Eternal
when I use both barrels of my super shotgun to blow a mancubus's asshole inside out and spread chunks of meat and bone all over the place, the only thought on my mind is reloading and doing it again
I don't want to quickswap to the railgun and shoot once, then swap to something else and shoot once, then to something else and shoot once, then be allowed to switch back to the super shotgun and shoot
the constant rapid weapon swapping was atrocious gameplay design, there's no way to defend it, it was a fucking mistake, full stop
single player game that requires ALWAYS ONLINE or it won't work
Costs far too much for what it is.
They should not be selling these games for anything more than $25.
The only time to buy them is when they go on sale for >75%.
the problem with "what players want" is, what player can say they want isnt what they actually want, because people cannot express honest opinions nowadays
its why reddit is the absolute worst place to figure out opinions, the honest one is probably downvoted and deleted
people just arent honest when theyre inthe spotlight
1. Too many games coming out this month
2. Had to justify a $80 price tag on a 10 hour linear first person shooter. Especially one I can rent on gamepass and enjoy in a single sitting for $10.
Dark Ages will have long legs because it is a good game but most of the sales are going to be at the $30-40 price point.
I'm You don't really need to do all that shit, to be honest. I mostly wailed on enemies with whatever weapon I felt was best in the moment.
game is 85GB in size
disc can hold 100GB
actual data on disc is 85MB
WEE NINTENDO NAO
The good:
The game isn't slow at all despite the marketing making it look so
The different mechanics work well together unless you absolutely hate parrying in any game
The bad:
The dragon, mech, and turret sections that just lack depth
Just make a fucking mech-only game already, Hugo, stop shoving it into Doom
The ugly:
80€
Raytracing card required
Eternal had a then 6-year old GTX 970 as a RECOMMENDED card, not even a minimum.
I am less interested in TDA than I was for 2016 or Eternal, and I do plan to play it at some point, but £70 ($92) is too much so I'm going to wait for a sale
Also I find it fucking hilarious that all the publishers were saying "gamers are ready to pay more for games" to satisfy their own greed and shitty project and budget management, but this has resulted in game sales being lower than ever overall and several developers and publishers are now in SERIOUS trouble
desperately waiting for the video game industry to crash so we can go back to indies being the primary source of games, and all the retarded normies playing madden or fifa go shit up another hobby
what they want
inflated price tag and high system requirements
no one asked for this, they simply made the game inaccessible cutting out ~80% of playerbase
it just struck me that physical media doesnt need to be limited to discs
why cant they sell a usb with the game in it? its no diffrent than a cartridge and any pc can use it
yea but I'm not paying $60+inflation tax+federal tax+state tax+country tax
short answer? greed
they literally do want you to own nothing, no reselling, no borrowing/trading with friends, no tangible value
I can get BG3 for 60$ with its hundreds of hours of gameplay and singleplayer content but this 10h parry slop gamepass bait nobody wanted costs 80$, fuck microsoft i really hope those kikes decide to greed with windows 12 subscription model which will lead to their death finally.
UT
shield
the shieldbelt and I guess the impact hammer being able to deflect projectiles were the only thing that could be similar to that and they were niche
and Quake 1 only had the axe
Microsoft are fucking awful, they are woke as shit and they ruin literally everything they touch. Doom DA has girl boss, diversity and reddit shit in it.
game isn't on the disc even though it would fit
Nobody cares about this shit because every game on the disc is broken as fuck without the day 1 patch anyway.
PC requires RTX and won't play without it
This is a legit factor but anyone serious about PC gaming has an RT capable card. A 2070 is a 7 year old card at this point.
80 dollars
This is likely the major factor.
single player game that requires ALWAYS ONLINE or it won't work
This just isn't true.
I'm not spending 70-80+ bucks on any game
I legitimately think eternal's retarded story and setting burnt a lot of goodwill. Eternal sold well because of how well received 2016 was. dark ages sold poorly because of all of the questionable decisions in eternal.
Why, oh why, could people possibly be not buying this game
Eternal has a retarded story (and so does TDA) but I legitimately don't think most people care. I just press the skip button and start blasting.
Nobody cares about this shit because every game on the disc is broken as fuck without the day 1 patch anyway.
This simply isn't true and you know it. Some games are buggy on release yes but every one? no. Don't run defense for this literal scam practice. They are SWINDLING people.
players dont even know what they want ie constant demand for instant gratification which makes the games boring, thats why everything designed on focus groups is shallow and oversimplified
Well I can tell you with 100% confidence it doesn't affect the steam numbers (which is what OP's article is referencing) because it never had a physical release on PC.
I think it looks decently fun, but every game feels less and less like doom
story
Nobody cares. It's like Diablo or Path of Exile, you just skip all that shit.
Too expensive
it's more than that. the story affects the setting and levels. 2016 has an interesting setting and when the game does interrupt you with a cutscene it can be folowed and the characters (hayden are popular). half of eternal's levels are that reatarded sentinal maykr world and the other half is the generic City in Chaos setting that we've seen a thousand times in a thousand games, and when eternal interrupts you with a cutscene it's some bullshit you don't understand involving a bunch of characters you don't care about. there's also alot more cutscenes in eternal.
2016 starts with a 3 second cutscene, then you have a gun and you're shooting.
eternal starts with a 10 minute cutscene.
dark ages starts with a 10 minute cutscene.
on the other hand literally all of the advertising was "THIS WON'T BE LIKE ETERNAL"
The first level is a blast
Second level in the sand canyon is kind of boring
Third level is the giant mech level and it sucks
Fourth level is solid but feels like the first level again but without the rain
Fifth level is the giant dragon level and it sucks
That's where I'm at so far.
No one is a real fan of DOOM. It's a situational reddit game, and everyone got their fill of DOOM from Eternal. The DOOM trend is over, right as they're making the DOOM cinematic universe.
2016 also has 2-3 unskippable Narrative Rooms ala kleiner's lab which eternal doesn't have, to be fair. the worst thing eternal does is not let you skip novik's monologue at the start of every eternal run.
when its so bland people think its just AI
The Hell, Hell on Earth and Cultist Base levels are some of my favorite in the franchise.
But yes you're right about the Makyr stuff feeling out of place. Like an Unreal Tournament map.
Quake 3 had the gauntlet
eternal's settings are largely great, it's just the sentinel lore stuff that's annoying and that's what's in dark ages
hell looks spectacular in eternal, the cities look great, the arctic base looks great. it's just the viking myth stuff that doesn't feel like doom and is overstaying its welcome hard in tda
And that's exactly what got my alarms ringing
"So many got filtered by Eternal's speed we made the new game a red light - green light game for toddlers"
Doom stops at 2
Fuck id
Fuck Bethesda
Fuck John Carmack
Fuck nu-metal fans
Hulshult and Levy did solid work on Eternal. Would've liked to see them come back especially with the dark fantasy setting so they could find their own style.
throws mick gordon under the bus
get fucked by the guy
pretends nothing happened
shit music
i don't think it's fair to throw the dev team under the bus for what is largely the fault of c-suite (as usual) but man the music sucks and the game is mid
gem of a game, had an absolute blast after grabbing this for free via Game Paas, played on giga-nightmare difficulty with a slight adjustment to 50% dmg to slayer and 2000% dmg to demons, 35 hours to beat and loved every minute of it, PARRY, RIP AND TEAR!
True, it was pretty good as an alternative to the peashooter machine gun you start with.
Mick has the opportunity to do some funny shit here and rescore the entire game in a mod just to dunk on Marty.
shut up kike
thread dismissed
the guy put him so much effort into the score for eternal. why did Marty decide to fuck with him?
Ok, where?
Majestic 12.
Seeing the new Doom fail after they fucked over Mick makes me giddy. Especially after the whole Lorien Testard thing. Fuck suits and fuck corporate meddling.
I killed homeboy out by the tracks.
The cutscenes on 2016 are also just on a different level. The intro when Slayer has Hayden pretty much monologuing into his ear stating the worth of Ardent energy while Slayer is looking at the corpse of a human showcasing the cost of that energy and then breaking the elevator button because Slayer is just incredibly pissed off that humanity would go and use hell as a power source. It was all you needed in the context of 2016. Slayer is a pissed off dude because humanity invited hell in just to try and harvest them as a power source.
We're never going to get a great Quake game again are we?
good game
lol
It is.
You had Quake Champions
give players what they want
When did they do that?
The thing that made me know the game would be underwhelming was in the first interview after the TDA reveal Hugo and Marty both were acting really nervous and literally said in regards to the trailer, "Man, I really hope people like this." Their attitude and the marketing for it in general always came across as really desperate. Eternal's reveal in comparison felt like a grand event and was insanely hype. I still go back and rewatch the quakecon reveal.
Suits hate when non-suits get recognition, high school never ends
But players didn't get what they want
Real DOOM fans didn't want Doom Eternal or any evolved version of that
They prefer DOOM 2016, and that already went a bit too far with the melee kills, but it wasn't a huge part of the game
It's that Eternal fags were such loud and insufferable faggots that we're now in this mess
Also this site is garbage, full of bots and jews
I mean I would be nervous too. Eternal is either the best game in the world or the worst depending on who you ask. Combine that with the medieval setting (which looks more like Warhammer/Quake than Doom desu) and the Mick controversy and it's totally understandable.
$89 price tag in Europe
Denuvo malware
always online requirement for single player game
slow as shit combat with mobile game tier mechanics
I didn't want any of this.
>give players what they want
But they didn't. They turned Doom into the very opposite of what it once was.
I think you can also look at that opening on a more primal level too.
There's no intro cutscene. The game just starts with you shooting a pistol at demons. You walk into the next room and a cutscene starts, some character starts monologuing at you. You interrupt the cutscene before he can finish talking by breaking the monitor and go back to shooting demons. Doom isn't about cutscenes.
When I saw this I thought the devs were self aware and did that on purpose to drive home that point. Eternal showed me I was wrong.
I'm not sure why they doubled down on cutscenes for Dark Ages after people shat all over them in Eternal and especially The Ancient Gods.
I don't care why this is happening. All I need to know is there are demons that are invading and I need to kill them.
Bethesda has had generally difficult time keeping up good relations with composers. They also ghosted Jeremy Soule way before him getting #metoo'd due to disputes they had about live performances including his music. Bethesda also seems to have quietly ditched Andrew Hulshult despite him doing a good job in Quake Champions and Ancient Gods.
the reception feels exactly like ancient gods 2 to me albeit with a larger contingent of normies who just think it's badass because they're not critical and like easy games with good presentation.
it's not "for" anyone in a big way. it's not for eternal or 2016 fans, it's shooting some other third contingent that I think is probably smaller than both.
nobody was going to buy doom 2016 bis you faggot, They explicitly said this will not be Eternal and doubled on retarded lore so eternal players avoided the game and it flopped.
literally what we've heard is that so many people watched "doom eternal full movie all cutscenes" on youtube that they decided people wanted lore so they doubled down on lore
fucking indians man
BUY THE HECKIN GAME CHUD
CEO AND SENIOR MANAGMENT'S BONUSES ARE AT STEAK
It costs 300zł
I can't afford it
For comparison, Doom 2016 has been for years discounted at 30zł and Eternal at 90zł
so I have to wait a year or two to buy this
even the biggest Eternal dicksuckers said the best thing about the story was that it was skippable
they double down on story
Some real geniuses at work over at id.
People praise 2016 and Eternal for being fast-paced, able to run on relatively low specs, having tightly designed levels, and not shoving the story in the player’s face constantly
The Dark Ages proceeds to do the complete opposite of all of this, whilst doubling down on the parry and timing-based elements that people already hated
Huh, I wonder why people don’t want this.
Maybe you should join Majestic 12, in a body bag.
there will be no more nu-Dooms
I'm happy.
Compare it to E33. It used to be 197zł until people complained on the Steam forum that Poland is getting fucked by Valve's outdated currency exchange, so the frogs brought it down to 161zł.
I still remember the good old days where new games were 120zł...
If they wanted people to buy it, why put it on Game Pass? Are they retarded? Seems like a big gamble.
Who the fuck wanted fucking doom sekiro?
$110 Canadian dollars
._.
Real DOOM fans didn't want Doom Eternal
They prefer DOOM 2016
no
next game will be a commander keen jrpg, I can guarantee hugo is playing it right now
that expedition 30 game I mean
Same thing with Indiana Jones.
I would've bought both at launch. Microsoft saving me lots of money.
Did anyone actually like this Makyr shit? I thought after Eternal they would have realised nobody cares about their convoluted lore we just want to shoot demons.
I'm still upset they took out the DOOG Eternal easter egg right before I started TAG.
Troonternal was when all the stupid "lore" started
another game serie that became Marvel-ized
No. I feel like they went way overboard with even going into the past and adding their stupid lore shit.
2016 you walk away with the Night Sentinels found Slayer and saw that the guy killed Demons really good so they let him join up.
Now it's Slayer was essentially a slave and they didn't really give a shit about him in the first place.
It's a story that didn't need to be told.
I think it's lame they pussied out on having a real Heaven faction in Eternal by making them weird alien things. It was a fun idea that Doomguy killed everything in hell so now he was coming for Heaven and they botched it.
doom 2016 story was nice, just an angry guy relentlessly smashing shit (but with a plan of his own)
doom eternal was a big step back in a sense that they lost this "show, dont tell" vision and dumbed everything down so a five year old could understand it
i'm okay with the makyr artstyle in itself but the content of the lore is weak and "heaven is exploiting mankind so doomguy changes targets" is such an obvious slam dunk for a series that's channeling violent catharsis but they never do anything like that. doomguy is already opposed to the makyrs in eternal, they're just there
I thought you can't fuck up Doom, but they somehow managed to do that. Glad I didn't bought it. Dodged a bullet... or better said parried?
Inquiry?
Corporations nowadays don't want to do traditional focus group testing anymore, and think they can achieve same result cheaper by just studying Xitter posts and youtube viewcounts which lead into overvaluing secondary hobbyist opinions over actual product buyer opinions.
buy doom 2016 bis
did you have a stroke? what the fuck are you talking about?
doom 2016 brotherhood in steel? doom 2016 baha is subpar?
are you one of the bots the other guy mentioned?
But that wasn't great.
focus group testing has lead to many terrible decisions in game development so i don't completely blame them
focus testing was retarded and led to some of the worst decisions made in gaming
Spoiler alert, it's fucking too expensive and people refuse to buy games with Denuvo on Steam.
The industry has greatly underestimated Denuvo fatigue and has deluded itself into thinking their games are worth a week's groceries for one person.
The irony is, I bought two $40 games this week. I can afford it. I just refuse to pay for it.
Let it all burn.
both of them are dumb
you should instead have people who actually know about games running game companies
no you senile faggot, it was directed to you and other decrepit retards with motor skill disability asking to go back to doom 2016 gameplay after Eternal.
any examples? i think the best games ever had a very strong vision for a hardcore audience that then also captured people that previously had nothing to do with the original setting
I never asked for 10 hours games with a $80 pricetag
Have some of the most recognisable and loved songs in their OST
throw away the guy responsible for it2h
Guess I'll just keep playing 2016 forever.
Players wanted Eternal
Make "Gay Ages"
You get what you deserve.
it was directed to you and other decrepit retards with motor skill disability asking to go back to doom 2016 gameplay after Eternal.
I didn't say that, I entered the thread and lurked, then saw you made a retarded rage comment with a typo and wanted to call you a faggot who can't spell
sort it out, retard
in b4 "NO YOU WERE TOTALLY WHO I WAS ARGUING WITH AND ARE PRETENDING TO MAKE ME LOOK BAD! MY EGO WON'T ACCEPT THAT A STRANGER WHO ENTERED THE THREAD THOUGHT I WAS A DUMB CUNT!"
kick out composer that made the soul of your reboot
Mickfags are utterly delusional
keep gamifying your game
The horror
remove swapping entirely
watch Mayo's videos
$70 works for the big dick game everyone already wants, for the average summer blockbuster it is a bad idea
games already tend to be feast or famine in terms of success lately, $70 makes it even more pronounced
And your feedback was received loud and clear.
Look : No more Quake.
Dark Ages is one of the smoothest games released in recent years.
It mogs Indiana Jones, Stalker 2, Clair Obscur and Oblivion Remastered in terms of performance.
I don't understand this criticism in the fucking slightest. It's smooth as butter.
For example, removing all exploration from FPS games and making them linear. This is an example from Valve.
Not my fault. Shouldn't have been a shit game.
It's 80 dollars for a basic single player shooter. Most people play these games once.
They removed Mick Gordon from OST duty. That alone would've been a deal breaker.
Then, they changed the gameplay to "stand and parry" gay shit. Nope.
THEN, they asked for 350 bucks in my currency. LMAO
Eternal is king.
all that garbage schizo babble cause you have below 1st grade reading comprehension
finish your middle school you deranged faggot
They fixed a lot of the game's problems before abandoning it completely but by that time, people already moved elsewhere
any examples? i think the best games ever had a very strong vision for a hardcore audience
anon that is not what focus testing is
I liked Eternal, but even if I wouldn't I'd still see how it's closer to Doom than what Dark Ages is. Eternal was still a shooter, I don't even know wtf Dark Ages is
all time favorite example
they bring in focus testers
they're all normie american teenagers
They're tryhard as fuck and like games like cod so they say that cartoons are gay and this game looks like it's for their baby brother or something
oh shit oh fuck we need to rebrand
it's plausible that the game wouldn't have turned out great either way but stylized graphics weren't exactly the style at the time so them turning what looked like an incredibles shooter into something that looks like gears of war felt mind-bogglingly cowardly
thats just for maze like elements, not freedom in general
open world games are a huge hit...
i think the best games ever had a very strong vision for a hardcore audience that then also captured people that previously had nothing to do with the original setting
You've got absolutely no idea what focus testing means do you.
I checked out of modern doom when I saw all the changes in Eternal. The new direction just wasn't for me.
This latest one makes me feel the same way as when I saw Eternal, but multiplied by 10.
the opening of dark ages feels very reminiscent of classic doom, you just have your long range shotgun and you're running around blasting enemies. the trouble is that classic doom is a game about exploration and finding guns so you can kill the stronger enemies, and tda like 2016 and eternal is an arena combat shooter, so running around with your shotgun blasting enemies feels boring as sin. there's nothing to it.
well in essence you tailor your game to the audience you want to entertain (in this case rts)
You can play the game like a mongoloid with no hands, just use the SSG.
I love that Eternal requires you to have DEXTERITY and know what you're doing, instead of playing with your brain turned off. It asks more of you to play the game (which, at the end of the day, is just that, a game) and if you can't rise to it's challenge, it says a lot more about you than the game.
Nigga gets overwhelmed by moving his fingers around and using his eyeballs in a completely safe environment with nothing to distract him. KILL yourself lmao
the previews looked like crap. I don't care if that was still in development, you should brag about "amazing executions animations" and then show your oponent ragdoll disapear and become a few floating bits of round meat like a SNES mortal Kombat fatality.
They removed Mick Gordon from OST duty.
Just rewatched his GDC talk from after 2016 released. Worth a watch if you like his stuff.
80$
Ray tracing required
d1 gamepass
Geez why isn't this game selling
Right? I started Doom: The Dark Age yesterday without paying anything. Truly a retarded move.
that's almost cute
but no, that is not what focus testing is
while it varies a lot from exact cases, what usually happens is something just gets thrown into the grinder like
I'm not paying this much for a short singleplayer game.
it's ten hours it's not THAT short
i guess relative to expedition 33 tho
give players what they want
There was no hype or marketing. 2016 and Eternal were huge events - this feels like they're going through the motions because there was so discussion or interest in the material shown. There was also confusion as to what this game even was because id Software insisted Eternal was the second and last in their reboot duology, then they changed their minds and did this. However it looks like a spin-off and the comments previously touted in headlines saying "We're not doing any more" created a muddled message.
Also, the general economic situation this year means there's less income going around to be spent on the huge AAA games.
There, no inquiry required.
10 hours for 90 dollars is a fucking lot
>give players what they want
Only Hugo Martin wanted this
Why even risk the doom brand? Could have brought it out as a reboot of hexen or heretic.
AYY LMAOOOOOOOOO
$100 dollars for a 6 hour game
They didn't see it as a risk. Eternal did well, the hype for it was there, they didn't expect it to flop despite making the conscious decision to force raytracing and thus lock out a good chunk of their consumer base.
Who the fuck wanted fucking doom sekiro?
Hugo Martin, he made TDA for him because he's a fromfag.
DOOM: The Dark Ages will feature a boss as challenging as the Marauder. Sekiro-like Elements.
The 'Agadon Hunter' will require you to parry a series of attacks in sequence.
He makes a memorable impression, a big, beefy demon dude with a fur cape, shield, and Darth Maul-but-analogue double-ended sword. He's Capra Demon-coded, looking like one of those non-plot-critical bosses who still manages to traumatize the player base.
Martin described the Agadon Hunter as having combo attacks that we'll have to parry in sequence with the Slayer's fancy new shield. Martin expressed a love and admiration for Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice in our conversation, and The Dark Ages' parry system sounds very similar to that game.
To continue the metaphor, the way Martin described the Hunter's moveset reminded me of late-game Sekiro bosses like the Long Arm Centipedes or Lone Shadows.
If I do I will just crumble.
Unironically, Eternal's OST saved my life. It kept me pushing in the gym and I lost 100lbs.
I will NEVER buy another id game again.
I am definitely on the price to hours train these days honestly. I used to not be. But 8-10 hour games can't be $70+. That's actually why Mario Kart being $70 wouldn't be a big deal to me because I'd probably spend a lot of hours on it, but it's fucking $80.
I can't wait until Resident Evil 9 hours sells like shit at $70+ and Capcom is like "who knew?"
That's the next big but short game I can think of off hand.
I didn’t want this. The premise is awful, the game file size is fucking massive, the system requirements are bloated out of control and its always online. No thank you, dumb fuck.
it's extremely funny to me that he said this and then put in three different hitscan enemies of which eternal and 2016 had none
Just feels like them splitting the fanbase further.
Not sure why they expected this to do well.
Also the whole
lmao just hit the green colored thingy and avoid the red thingies
is the antithesis of the identity doom built in the reboot (though, eternal started heading that way with its autism)
Next doom will be a DDR reboot or something.
okay then give me your definition
bec if it isnt asking rts pros and hardcore players for feedback and implementation (for a more hardcore rts experience or whatever genre youre testing) then its shit anyway
maybe you mean social "science" poll shit with asking 14-16yo, 18-24yo what they would want, but thats just selecting a different population for getting feedback
god dark souls wasn't the worst game and I personally hate it but HOLY SHIT the damage it has done to gaming as a whole
ten hours is like one afternoon sitting, maybe two if you like lazy week ends.
And it's not like there's much to do once you finished it unless you are a speedr*nner
I think we're at a point that the people steering the triple A industry have no fucking idea what people want. They try to pander to as many groups as possible, but they fail to hit any groups.
Hollywood also release snow white and the little mermaid remakes but here we are. Also Barbie made tons of money despite being just as bad as those two winners I mentioned. Hollywood has the sense of a retarded pig with the shit it will regurgitate out and the average shit eater will eat it up regardless.
bec if it isnt asking rts pros and hardcore players for feedback and implementation (for a more hardcore rts experience or whatever genre youre testing) then its shit anyway
that is not and has never been, even in the most ideal circumstances, what focus testing is
maybe you mean social "science" poll shit with asking 14-16yo, 18-24yo what they would want, but thats just selecting a different population for getting feedback
this is what focus testing is like 99% of the time
they literally go and ask the most normalfag groups possible what they want, in the vein hope that they will buy it
the most notable game this happened to (that wasn't 100% garbage at least) was jak 2
Did you not think it weird the game did a hard right turn into being GTA for kids?
Welp, you're missing out. Harden up and just watch it.
It's from after 2016, so he hasn't been fucked over at that point and isn't bitter about the franchise, so you can tell he is/was really having fun with it.
Also most of the technical stuff is explained well so even non-musically-inclined individuals like myself can understand what he did.
i was not aware of this, extremely funny if jak & daxter became a GTA clone because normies liked GTA 3
I'M GONNA KILL PRAXIS
is still top 5 funniest lines in videogames history
I'm honestly bit surprised. Thought this would sell millions easily, what with people jerking off nu-Doom and the heckin' DoomSlaya all the time in the normiesphere. Not that it matters to me really as I'll just buy this for 10 bucks in a few years like I did with 2016 and Eternal.
I love Dark Souls and some of its copycats (Hollow Knight, Black Souls), but hate games copying its mechanics without understanding what made them work in the first place.
Same shit with Milton's blank verse and Modernists' stream-of-consciousness. They're fantastic but hard to pull off, so the copycats are usually garbage.
Don't think there's ever been a shooter from way back that didn't turn to complete shit trying to adapt to current generations of players
There is one.
Its like they consulted microsoft Copilot AI on how to make target audience as wide as possible
kids love marvel shit
kids love dark souls parry/melee slop
kids love dragons and over the top retarded stuff
oh and its DARK and medieval but also pg13.
I did already watch it, two times even.
I exaggerated, obviously. Watching some nigga do a presentation wouldn't break my spirit lol
Studios never learn. Make games for your fans, not your critics. At least the fans will buy your game. Chasing a customer that will never be happy is the dumbest way to run a business.
This. I get a solid 60fps 1440p with DLSS performance mode on and I've got last gen hardware. (i9-14900K and 4090). Runs great.
well then these guys just had the wrong focus
all in all its just about getting feedback
Yep.
Many such cases (not just in games).
In many cases I blame the individuals who sell out more than the retarded suits that buy them and water down everything involved.
Something wrong with your system then. I have a 5900x and 3090 and at 4k DLSS Quality with all settings Ultra and at 65-75FPS.
all the dumb niggers who condoned Eternal led to this
Knew it would happen because it happens every fucking time.
Reap what you sow you dumb faggots. You will literally never fucking learn like the retarded sheep that you are.
Is this sarcasm? Please tell me it is.
DLSS at 1440p with a 4090 and getting 60 fps is acceptable to you?
which one
cause it sure as shit wasn't that one
Why would I need 65-75fps when monitors stop at 60?
that is the exact reason
they asked like 15 year olds what they thought of it, got told it was for babies and to make gta, and so they canned the game and did that
with DLSS
Halo 4 turned the whole franchise to shit. Infinite is fun to dick around in 4 player coop grappling each other and chucking fusion coils at each other.
The best games out there have come from devs with a strong vision. Focus testing is at best a way to gauge what might or might not working and the devs have to decide whether to listen or not. Worst case scenario the vision gets butchered to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Like for example taking Doom, this fast paced shooter and turning it into CoD like we almost got because your focus group said CoD is what all the cool kids are into.
Nobody asked for a rhythm game
eternal was actually fucking stupid and widely disliked
it rode the coattails of 2016's glory which helped hide the response to it.
im playing dark ages on game pass and it honestly feels like it was made by a b-team. the mech and dragon sections are embarrassing diversions, the music (and sound in general) is all sorts of fucked like it wasn't mastered properly (how ironic after the gordon debacle) and the story is digging deep on the eminently cringey "oh the doom guy is this epic ancient hero - rip and tear am i right?!" bullshit
shit sucks
game is the way it is because of normies bitching endlessly about Eternal not encouraging them to mindlessly walk forward and shoot for 8 hours through a brown foundry
this is Eternal's fault
?????????
you are the reason gaming is dead
you could already see the limitations if this type of gameplay design in Eternal: you enforce it too much, it turns into a sequence of quick time events, which is not doom/quake gameplay.
I'm running 1440p native (Actually 3440x1440) at 60fps on a 4070.
I bought it
it's better than Doom 2016
fuck eternal
Should have stopped with 2016.
You can tell it was lightning in a bottle and Eternal and this shit are just suits desperate to make line keep going up.
Bethesda is shit in general, they way they mistreated Human Head says a lot
Eternal had vastly superior gameplay, outsold and has consistent higher player base than 2016 sicne release. I dont know where all those deranged retards like you come from.
You are a retarded nigger.
How is top of the line hardware from last gen only getting 60fps with fucking DLSS a good thing?
all that sperging
His posts seems completely fine
You on the other hand randomly blew a fuse over a literally nothingburger post
Meds before you shoot up a school
2016
literally a generic shooter with retarded gore kills. It sold purely because of OST and brand name.
the opposite, they want everyone to be on gaypass cause it makes them more money long-term
Bethesda is owned by MS
Yeah should have stopped at 2016, when Eternal literally x3 it in sales. Retard
It was a doom game.
Everything after is just zoomer bait and desperation for more money.
I wanted a Doom game not a halfbaked sekiro clone.
80 bucks is too much for a mere "decent" experience. Its that simple. I'll play the game when its price is cut in half.
Anon Babble is one person
Shalom! Money is everything, right bros!
Angels think Doomguy is too powerful so they control him like a pawn
Devilguy wants to get macguffin from Night Sentinels
Sentinels worship angels and request Doomguy for aid
Doomguy doesn't like being used as a pawn and tries to break free multiple times
Angels sell out Doomguy to the Devilguy
Devilguy gets macguffin that's actually some important Sentinel woman with the soul of some ancient god and becomes super powerful
Doomguy kills Devilguy after traveling through the realm of Lovecraft's Cat
Stays in hell on Angel's spacecraft to kill demons for Eternity
Sales
Youre fucking pathetic
When the tone, story telling, and themeing, and worst of all Doomguy all went to complete and utter shit.
Get bent you worthless fucktoys.
NOOOO YOU HAVE TO STAND STILL AND PARRY, YOU CANT JUST RUN AROUND AND HAVE FUN STOP! BIG GLOWING GREEN THING, SEE IT? PARRY IT! ITS FUN!
(you)
excellent bait
On-top of sales, it's literally more well received aswell compared to 2016. Again, retards
keeps eating bethesda turds
do you like redditification of your favorite game? I don't
t. Mount&Blade enjoyer
You still have have to move a lot or else you'll get surrounded and easily killed. This is dumb criticism. The parry shit just makes your movement more purposeful.
dumbest logic in the world, no one has ever fucking cared about doom lore.
wtf why aren't you buying our overpriced modding tool disguised as an itch.io game
Eternal shits on your generic garbage shooter 2016 you decrepit console retard
It's not only about giving the players something they ask for, it's how it's done, and they did it badly.
it's literally more well received aswell compared to 2016
You're a PC Aristocrat, not a console cuck.
What reason do you have to buy this day 1? That you just need to finish it ASAP?
Wait 6-12 months for a proper Steam sale, and get it at a reasonable price.
Launched the MONTH most of the western world began locking down for COVID
Road Animal Crossing's coattails for the meme
Consumer reviews don't lie, many people who played Eternal dropped it and/or left with a negative impression. Many didn't, of course. But air dashing, monkey bar swinging, highly specialized weapons, three hour long levels, not what everyone was looking for.
When the tone, story telling, and themeing, and worst of all Doomguy all went to complete and utter shit.
Oh yeah everyone played Doom for the robust story, for sure. Heres a fun fact American Mcgee streamed Doom 2 and told they didn't have any design documents whatsoever, everyone just threw whatever they thought was cool into the game. Thats why you get lava pools with "Toxic" signs above in some levels.
Eternal shits
Sad retarded lot you are
I've wanted a modern DOOM game that plays like the original.
Yes, it makes movement more purposeful when I have to stand still to engage with the big glowing green parry mechanic, because many attacks are designed to punish you for not engaging with the rhythm game. I love the fact that you aren't really allowed to swap weapons because you cant parry while swapping, I LOVE shields!
I dont like the nu-lore.
I dont care for this capeshit, doomguy is a demi-god garbage.
Doom 3 is stil a level above on the new games.
I love the fact that you aren't really allowed to swap weapons because you cant parry while swapping
This is actually legit criticism and I'd almost consider it a major design flaw.
The rest of your post is nonsense.
Isn't that what 2016 is?
Or do you mean like a 1:1 with updated graphics?
With "many" I assume you mean the minority since Doom Eternal is generally regarded as the more well-received title out of the two
fuck you guys im reinstalling doom 2016
and cheat myself all the upgrade mats cause i cba to fully run through all levels again
And 2016 had a great middle ground of "cool" and just enough story content to be compelling.
Then Eternal jumps the gun and now we're here
The moral? Don't let the money grubbers and faggots "throw whatever they thought was cool" because the people making it are not cool at all and have no fucking idea what cool is.
2016 is not like the original. It doesn't need to be 1:1 but I want it to play similiar.
game is dogshit. Its as if they took doom eternal, and had a big meeting on how can we make it different, without any consideration on how can we make it better. The shield should have been an option, not what the entire stupid fucking game was designed around.
But air dashing, monkey bar swinging, highly specialized weapons, three hour long levels,
Most people did NOT have an issue with any of this stuff.
Statistically most people dropped Eternal when this guy started showing up as a regular enemy.
I can respect that.
What would you change?
I wanted doom eternal 2, not that. So yes I am not buying a Simon says parry system with bright green colours on screen, if I want to play matching colours I'll replay fucking ikaruga.
Doom Eternal is generally regarded as the more well-received title out of the two
No it isn't. The fuck are you talking about?
The filterer
My only issue with 2016 is that there wasn't enough enemies at once. Old doom had rooms full of demons. Most you get in 2016 at the same time is like 10.
Good morning saar
what i would do to fix dark ages:
jack the swap speed up to at least 2016 level. you can leave out animation canceling- let people swap fast if they aren't recovering from a shot- or make it so that people still have to finish their reload when they go back to a weapon.
make horde battles more of a bullet hell. lower the range on shield bash. you never really get the sense that you're weaving through projectiles and fighting your way in against an advancing enemy force, it's a little too mindless to get in and enemy fire patterns are never threatening.
have a bit more variety in melee if you're going to do a melee combat game, just for fun variety's sake. all you do is three punches when you parry something, this is below beat em up levels of simplicity.
if you're aping sekiro, do it right. sharper, steeper difficulty curve and more offensive options from enemies to respond to than parry. give me an equivalent to sweeps and stabs.
Also, lean more on bosses. Sekiro recognized that their combat system was more suited to 1v1 duels, it's the same here. Too many hordes, not enough big guys.
pace the campaign over a larger period of time, and have doomguy start as mistrusted sentinel cannon fodder who's still using his OG doom shotgun. have him work up into someone who is feared. this is a much more interesting and satisfying arc than 'doomguy is already a demigod and then a bunch of other shit happens with cthulu and demons and sentinels'
cut the mech shit to ONE sequence towards the end of the game to satisfy people who wanted it in Eternal, and make it skippable on replay.
no dragon combat sequences as they are, they're just awful
what do u think
i think ghosts in the dlc are much worse
The arenas are designed around about 10 enemies at once though. I can't imagine shoving a lot more in there without it feeling super cramped and bad.
This 10000x.
I just felt absolutely 0 hype for this game from all the trailers and videos. Nothing I am seeing makes me want to buy it or play it.
consistent higher player base
dawg the player base dropped by 90% one month post release, sure it might have stabilized at a couple thousand higher than 2016 but it was not a game that retained its player base in any impressive fashion
because it wasn't very good
doom eternal has vocal detractors who make it known whenever possible that they hated eternal because it filtered them, it was not true that that game was widely hated on launch
new game plays nothing like Eternal
this is the fault of fags who liked Eternal
???
he probably meant condemned
The arenas are designed around about 10 enemies at once though
Yeah, that's part of the issue...
If it was "fixed" as I would want it, the levels would probably look a lot different because of what you pointed out.
Mick Gordon singlehandedly carried this shit franchise.
the devs themselves must be detractors, obviously weren't happy with how eternal played because they totally overhauled it!
That's entirely different.
You said
Doom Eternal is generally regarded as the more well-received title out of the two
This just isn't true.
idgaf about all the other shit you're talking about.
fire mick gordon
because your CEO does not like how popular he is with the other staff
lol said the scorpion
LAMO
I think both 2016 and Eternal are super good but DA just doesn't cut it
Anyone who doesn't like this game is filtered!
Not conducive to further discussion so I disagree.
it was not true that that game was widely hated on launch
Wasn't said anywhere itt, I said people played eternal and dropped it because it was extremely different from 2016. I don't know or care when.
why do people suck Mick's dick so hard man
yeah BFG Division is a good song but most of his music for eternal wasn't even close to that good
3060 ti can't run this at native 1080p medium settings without dropping below 60 fps
Okay, here's the thing.
Eternal was too hard. Nobody liked it. I didn't play the DLC because the gameplay from the main game is so unrewardingly difficult that I just didn't want to go through the slog and fight those fucking Marauder pieces of shit again. This means that to play Dark Ages, I still need to go back to do my homework with Eternal, which I don't want to do. But wait, Dark Ages is a prequel? Well who gives a shit? Prequels never matter.
Not conducive to further discussion so I disagree.
considering those detractors have been exhaustively repeating criticisms that are just not true if you're vaguely competent at the game since the game came out I think it's fair
people WILL pay 80 dollars for game.. if they don't already know its a 10 hour single player game lol
if this was Legend of Zelda, Breath of the Wild 3, with a whole new world map and all sorts of shit to do, for well over one hundred hours, they'd slam down 80 dollars.
but not here, not for this, it doesn't even feel like a mainline game in its own series.
the posts are made by a shizoid who got filtered by Eternal he still seethes about it 5 years later, dont look for any logic
i didn't say that some other guy said that.
2016 and eternal are divisive, I don't think it would be true to say that 2016 is firmly considered the better game because that would instantly instigate a flame war over it.
2016 was bad, Eternal was mediocre, this is I don't even know, but the key thing that they all share is that they're not Doom.
Say what you will for his music but it's fair to say he was a big element in nuDoom getting traction. He found a good sound that both fits with Doom without it feeling like generic metal tracks and it was the kind of music people would still listen to after they finished playing the game. That's the winning formula.
Why do you keep arguing things that I'm not talking about?
I said this isn't true:
>Doom Eternal is generally regarded as the more well-received title out of the two
Then you start sperging out about everything except that.
but i just told you that I don't think that's exactly true because it's extremely contentious.
arenas were the only issue with 2016 which was fantastic otherwise. it should've been freeform, using the level design to force the player to fight.
or you can run it on your old budget PC at low settings and 30 FPS if you want. Or even an 'eck.
You can't
Players don't know what they want
It's not even a question of what players want, it's what they're able to fucking afford and run on their PCs. There's nothing about this new Doom game that warrants a hardware upgrade.
There's nothing about this new Doom game that warrants a hardware upgrade.
Except the best graphics of any game ever made?
2 + 2 = IV
I don't know what those other retards are on about, but MH Wilds does NOT cost 80 bucks. and despite the performance being trash, it also does NOT force ray tracing.
They're running into the exact same problem as 3D platformers in the late 90's where every developer thought just making a good 3D platformer wasn't good enough and so you got games with endless gimmicks like vehicle levels, additional non-platforming characters and literally thousands of collectibles.
You mean what Nintendo has been doing since the early 90's and still is? with decent to great success every time i might add.
nice doom eternal screenshot Rajesh, hope nvidia pays you well
Except the best graphics of any game ever made?
Look I like Dark Ages but fidelity wise it doesn't look that much better than Eternal. I was more impressed by Indiana Jones then TDA
'eck runs it at 30 FPS.
The few people who were assmad / got filtered by eternal convinced the dev that they were the majority.
Yeah, people hate prequels like MGS3 or Yakuza 0 or RDR2 or DMC3 so fucking hard huh?
what's happening with the doom series is less like shoving motorcycles and scuba levels into crash (crash 3 is fantastic by the way) and more like if they responded to every game after devil may cry with "wtf what's all this style shit? multiple weapons? i just want to jump attacks and hit a demon with my sword." it's people being weirdly reactionary about mechanics because shooters have a reputation for being stagnant and simple
but hate games copying its mechanics without understanding what made them work in the first place
you say this like YOU understand what made them work
shut the hell up
Simon says gameplay was already there in Eternal, example The criticism back then was dismissed as people whining "too hard", but it was correct criticism: Simon says is shit gameplay.
give players what they want
they buy it
At the very least can we all agree that the mech and dragon levels should've been cut out? They're boring. They add nothing to the game. Maybe if the Mech played like Doomguy in a massive environment it would've been fun but it sucks in its current design.
I didn't buy it cause I didn't want to parry and use a shield, I don't like games like that. The price was also a turn off cause I know how quickly I lose interest in FPS games and I figured it wasn't worth the investment based off of how much I enjoyed Doom 2016 and Eternal. Performance issues didn't seem like a big deal since I own both 30xx and 40xx setups. But I also don't play games above 1080p so the ray-tracing meme that they were marketing felt gimmicky to me and gimmicks are a turn off. Basically, I just got bad vibes.
Reminds me of an ign review for a dinosaur game where they claim something along the lines of
the game is fun but it lacks incentive to come back since there is no battlepass system.
Fun isn't enough, they really need to be victims of manipulation to "enjoy" anything
That's different. MGS3 was its own game.
The Mick Gordon thing was huge even if it was everyone's fault
but it wasn't they stole from him, lied to him, fucked with the agreement, mixed his music poorly because they didn't want him to know they had gotten free work out of him, slandered him all for one producers ego.
Then they put out another game that proves they're the problem with the sound design and music because it sucks fucking ass.
Exactly what did gordon do wrong?
Was it or was it not a known prequel?
Is the Eternalshizo still around? I honestly don't know how anyone can keep replaying it. Even when you git gud, it gets old fast.
No he didn’t, and saying this doesn’t make you right, it makes you look retarded. He made good soundtracks. But nobody bought the games because “le heckin epic rock music, le death metal, upvoted!”, they bought the game because of satisfying gameplay. Doom (2016) was great because of the gunplay. Doom: Eternal was a flawed game, but overall felt great in terms of gameplay. After a couple of hours on Dark Ages, it equally feels like it has satisfying gameplay. Stop whining. Mick Gordon absolutely did not carry this franchise, you mouthbreathing, bloated slob.
Nta but that was also one of reasons I'm not getting the game at full price. Fucking over musicians I consider decent, or at the very least not terrible is a huge no-no. Should reward studios for bad behavior.
It's worth replaying than most single player fps out there due to its depth and challenge. No game last forever though
I've played through it twice. The second time was to find missing secrets. After that, I piss farted around with cheats. It's interesting on the first go around, but it got old fast after that.
Nta but that was also one of reasons I'm not getting the game at full price. Fucking over musicians I consider decent, or at the very least not terrible is a huge no-no. Should reward studios for bad behavior.
I care mostly that they fucking lied about all of it and didn't even let him mix the album properly and let that nepobitch retard mossholder touch what should've been a far better album.
We'll never get an unfucked Eternal Ost either because of them, people seriously aren't angry enough.
Did we or did we not know how BB turned evil before MGS3?
Royal Commission As To Why Doom Eternal Was Not As Good As We Wanted It To Be
Chaired by Justice Buffington-Smythe KC
I was interested in this game and watched some streams:
combat is slow, like game journalist slow, even slower than the original DOS games
color coded shit looking like playing a pre schooler color match game
some of the most nonsensical lore I have ever seen-why this nigga have a dragon in a space demon game?
I got really turned off, and that's even before the things you guys have mentioned like online single player and $70.
Yakuza 0
shit sux
dark ages is slow
spoole was right
1 dollar 1 hour
Why isn't anyone buying new games despite the fact the industry has been pumping out consistent garbage for the past 15 years and that same industry talks down to their customer base when the customer base says they dont like it?
Gee, I wonder
He's clearly talking about counter strike.
The Marauder was 1 (one) miniboss, that showed up a few times in the game.
Not the entire fucking gameplay loop.
Gives them mandatory ray tracing and 30 fps performance.
This looks better than any other gameplay video I've seen.
I can't stand slowslop games.