Act 3 makes the entire journey you've had with the characters pointless. Why would they do this? I am currently feeling serious regret putting almost 50 hours into this game only for it to end the way it did. It almost feels wrong to even like the prologue and multiple events throughout the game because they don't matter. What is the point of even talking about what you liked in Gustave, Lune and Maelle as characters? Nothing fucking matters.
Act 3 makes the entire journey you've had with the characters pointless. Why would they do this...
FOTM coomer slop
That's what i would say if I was brown and didn't understand the story.
That doesn't matter either. Nothing in this game matters.
You shills are fucking pathetic
It does put Lune and Sciel in the backburner but it doesn't make it pointless. The game isn't going for a "it was just a dream" type of story, like Renoir say at the end, everything they said is right but it his duty as a father to take Alicia out of there.
I feel silly for liking Lune. They made everyone feel so unimportant.
White knighting coomer porn slop
What in your life led you to this pathetic state
getting attached to literal paint
bro
Why play, read, or watch anything?
retard
actual retard
yeah you could always say
getting attached to pixels
but in a game that's so heavy with the whole paint theme it was kinda clear that the world is artificial. I hate to use the term but it really is a case of "media literacy"
the people in the painting are real human beings
just like the dessendres are despite the fact that the writers have control over them
pointless
Nope. You're in the middle of understanding
first step: they are fake, they don't matter lol, they're Sims NPCs
second step: why did the game rip out all meaning, it was all worthless, I was tricked to care
third step: those people, their struggle and pain are all real, and this story perfectly follows Greek tragedy
waaaah my drawn cartoon pipo on the screen were not real all along! i thought they were completely real but they were not!!!
Mind blowing, dude!
Stop samefagging
I sincerely hope you're being paid.
Those two posts are nothing alike, don't quote me with that second retard.
You seething autistic brown contrariancels are fucking pathetic.
neck yourself phonefaggot
muh greek tragedy
End yourself
The damage this game is going to do to indie games can't be understated.
Renoir won. Cope.
It literally is a tragedy though. Complete with petty squabbles of gods over the fates of the people, and catharsis.
it's not an indie game
Why are you browns so hard on yourselves?
You're trying to hand wave bad writing. That's the issue.
Yeah, no shit. Except he acknowledges the weight of the decisions he has to take and apologizes to Lumierians for their pain.
The whole "painted people are philosophical zombie NPCs without value" doesn't come from anywhere in the game, except second hand accounts of Clea from child Verso, everyone else disagrees.
Gustave, Lune and Sophie were real. Fuck you.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. They got screwed over by powers beyond their reach, and Verso's treachery and lies.
What is the point of even talking about what you liked in Tidus, Rikku and Yuna as characters? Nothing fucking matters.
Why so nihilist?
you're a fucking moron
doesn't come from anywhere in the game
A painter can literally paint or unpaint them in any form and way he wishes, this is what's in game.
They are as real as you are a woman.
Coomers get MAD when you point out this is just porno slop for waifufags and not a real game lmao
A painter can literally paint or unpaint them in any form and way he wishes, this is what's in game.
And if god can do the same in our world. Does that mean we have no value and nothing matters?
What do you even think you're saying? Why should it matter what the painters can do?
Enjoying game for over 50 hours
Get told it was all a dream
Fun and enjoyment from those 50 hours is now meaningless
I hate when games waste your time
christ even the dreamtard is here
don't you get sick of recycling the same bait day in and day out?
It's not a dream, that's the point, retard
god
Doesn't exist.
Does that mean we have no value and nothing matters?
Exactly you idiot, google how "Islam" translates and what are its tenants.
Why should it matter what the painters can do?
Because it's not real. The difference between their painting and a painting of a layperson is that of immersion.
I haven't hated a character as much as Verso since Jimmy from mouthwashing. Fuck that cunt
don't reply to him
he posts this bait in every thread
NIGGA did you even play the game? Renoir's entire argument is that everyone is slowly killing themselves for something that will never be real. A literal dream world.
It matters, because you want to see her smile again.
low IQ I refuse to believe you are white if you are
Her family said fuck her smile.
>god
Doesn't exist.
Are you so unable to tackle hypotheticals that you just default to this?
Daily reminder that most of Anons are male, right leaning and atheists/nihilists, so of course the majority of people here are going to side with Verso.
Coomer retard
fair enough
NOOOO YOU HAVE TO LIVE TO YOUR SHITTY LIFE FULL OF DISABILITIES FOREVER. STOP HAVING FUN ALICIA.
Kill yourself faggot.
ignores the rest of the post
I noted it because unlike gods in this world, the painters are totally real in the game's setting.
Most of 'cucks are brown and live in third world countries like America where religion epidemics is rampant though.
They lied to their audience the same way FF16 did by showing a high quality prologue that ended being nothing like the actual game.
NIGGA did you even play the game?
Renoir's entire argument is that everyone is slowly killing themselves for something that will never be real. A literal dream world.
Not that anon. But did you even listen to Renoir's words?
Renoir isn't Clea. He constantly describes his actions as cruel. The situation regrettable. And he apologies for his actions. He just deems it necessary.
Clea might consider painted worlds wholly fake and artificial. But Renoir clearly does not.
It's less that Renoir considers the world fake or a dream world or anything, and it's just more that Renoir doesn't consider it their world. That's different.
You must be 18 to post here
Oh, it's one of you fags. Maybe actually stop seething for a few minutes and actually listen to what Verso tells her in his ending, unfortunately it won't stop you from being retarded.
nothing matters
Well the game leaves it up to the player to decide if it mattered or not. If you think it doesn't, well I'm with you on that, but argueing for the contrary is also vaiable and that's more fun than a cleancut happy end.
putting 50 hours into some mediocre turn based trash
You damage numbers autists never fail to surprise me.
What other game that pull the same stunt? I remember MGS 2, Star Ocean 3, Danganronpa V3, DQ XI
I noted it because unlike gods in this world, the painters are totally real in the game's setting.
But in the hypothetical, god in this world is also totally real. So it was an entirely pointless comment.
Because it's not real.
Based on what? The painted people think, act, and feel autonomously. And the world operates on its own rules with its own laws of physics, or paint or whatever.
And you still insist it isn't real?
You do realize that Verso's solution won't solve anything, because she's just exchanging one addiction for another?
I know your life sucks and you want to escape, but heroin isn't an answer. Have you tried drinking instead?
the guitar solos in this game are out of control
Nah the turn based combat is fantastic. Don't talk about games you haven't played faggot.
Not that anon, but Alicia got a literal reality check in Verso's ending. And with the family forced to reunite, they're helping and assisting each other again.
Alicia saying goodbye and jumping into another canvas forever in Verso's ending is very unlikely I'd say.
Her addiction to Verso's canvas is because it is specifically Verso's. You either weren't paying attention or skipped all the cut scenes because after Act 2 Alicia's argument for not destroying the canvas is basically just "it's the last thing of Verso we have".
Last of Us 2
Music and combat is fantastic. I can still praise the game despite hating it's story
It's a post-modern shit trope, called subversion of expectations, and it belong to the dead tropes like the deus ex machina and "it was all a dream"
I still liked the game and the story they told at the expense of acts 1-2
tranny has a meltdown because character design caters to normal people
kek, good riddance
AHHHH ALICIA STOP ENJOYING LIFE
What the fuck is this game's problem?
And with the family forced to reunite, they're helping and assisting each other again.
The game seems to be banking on it, but I don't see it. The family is too dysfunctional for it. You expect Clea to go from "yeah, you probably should've died you disfigured whore" to suddenly being nice and helpful towards Alicia?
Alicia in fact has at least four different reason to preserve the canvas:
because she wants to preserve the memory of Verso
because she wants to save this version of Verso
because she doesn't want her friends that she grew up with to die
because IRL she's a cripple and she hates her existance
All of them are legit reasons, but the game only bothers to address one of them.
What is the point of even talking about what you liked in Gustave, Lune and Maelle as characters?
OH my heckin goderino are you telling me that they aren't real people? I only care about real videogame humans.
Yes, using heroin is so good, enjoy it to its fullest
he skipped last phase Simon
missed on experiencing cinéma absolu
youtu.be
Did NOT beat the game.
Brown coomer obsessing over their waifu porn thread #24123
Yes very normal
thank fuck even my backup was decently levelled and kitted out
Do you guys think the ending would have hit harder if the choice to side with Maelle or Verso was made by Lune, Sciel and Monoco? Obviously you the player are still choosing but it's giving the rest of the party at least a shred of importance.
FFX doens't tell you in the middle of the game that the first half was fake
Why did everyone die after they defeted the paintress? Renoir killed them?
storytelling wise it's the exact same thing
Don't invest in anything. Got it.
you aren't having fun. you are junkie
he skipped last phase Simon
I got to last phase Simon one time only to then discover that he deleted my main team. Next attempt i deleted him with Lune. I refuse to have a second team.
Where are you faggots getting this heroin analogy from? Which youtuber was it?
Keep seethign at normality and saying up is actually down, bro
what's the point of watching isekai if it's not the real world and nothing there really matters because a god created it?
Alicia literally does not give a shit about the Lumerians in Act 3. Sciel and Lune basically become non-characters at this point for a reason, they are no longer why Alicia/Maelle wants to save the canvas. She's only thinking about herself. If she actually respected them she wouldn't have brought Sophie, Verso and Gustave back as her puppets. She doesn't even really want to preserve Verso's memory or save Painted Verso like you said, that's just a convenient excuse so that she can keep and stay in the painting.
You're being overly generous and assuming that the addicts reasons for being addicted go beyond themselves. People who think Alicia is acting out of altruism towards the canvas and the Lumierians have clearly never been anyone with a real addiction.
Is it explained why Renoir couldn't just omelette du gommage Simon? Why banish him to roleplay Artorias in the Abyss?
They couldn't make the choice. hey have no free will in the dollhouse
what's the point of watching isekai
Let me just stop you there.
disagreeing with me is fake
lol
How the fuck did Metaphor and Danganronpa v3 end up handling this topic so much better?
I think the writers made only one flaw in the story. They should have made a scene where the people of Lumiere interacted with the real world somehow, that would give them a bigger purpose, and the feeling that they are really alive. Someting like in the lego movie where the main lego figurine was moving in the real world.
They were actual games and not porno waifubait
They have no free will in the dollhouse
They do, until a demiurge starts messing with them. Aline's humans at least had that capacity.
Kinda like real life huh
this. very well said
This is the gayest shit I've ever read in my entire life
danganronpa v3: i fucking hate my fans, stop asking for sequels pleasu
They should have made a scene where the people of Lumiere interacted with the real world somehow, that would give them a bigger purpose, and the feeling that they are really alive. Someting like in the lego movie where the main lego figurine was moving in the real world.
Don't we see Renoir's axons in the real manor, outside a painting?
expedition 33 wishes it could be half the game FFX is.
Painted people can't exist outside the cavas. Presumably the sub-space where Verso's soul lives is the "entrance" to the painting and Alicia is shocked when Verso isn't instantly gommaged when he enters it the way Sciel is.
Clea clearly values her family. But Alicia also helped her get her father and mother back. I bet Clea appreciates that. It was objectively useful after all. A good foundation for the familial bonds to be strengthened again.
Alicia literally does not give a shit about the Lumerians in Act 3
How the fuck did people miss this?
They had more than a bit of experience fucking it up over and over again.
tfw he nutted inside you raw an hour before and now he is erasing your world
She's not being unreasonable at first. It's only after Renoir starts pushing more and more, she's starting to get more desperate. She was absolutely willing to talk it out and then Renoir decided she's unreasonable and to chimped out.
puppets
That's just your headcanon. Nothing in the ending shows that they are being puppeteered, or being miserable to begin with. Outside of Verso.
fuckin chad
She doesn't even really want to preserve Verso's memory or save Painted Verso like you said, that's just a convenient excuse so that she can keep and stay in the painting.
You're being overly generous and assuming that the addicts reasons for being addicted go beyond themselves. People who think Alicia is acting out of altruism towards the canvas and the Lumierians have clearly never been anyone with a real addiction.
I genuinely agree with this, but also applying to Painted Verso and his desire to die, his selfish motivation goes far and beyond any altruistic platitude about doing it all for his family.
cuckshit garbage with the worst cast of characters in any jrpg?
at no point in the story the demiurge didn't mess with them, And Aline's human had no free will. They don't even question their nature once they discover they are painted people. And in Alicia's ending they are just doll in her dollhouse
Anon Babble is filled with brainlets
wow i'm shocked
Yeah, she values them so much, she tells Alicia to stop giving a fuck about them and leave.
She's not being unreasonable at first
She sits there smiling like a fucking lunatic after everyone in Lumiere has been gommaged
What do you think the retarded twist would be if the sandfall devs made FFX?
FF games actually have a world to explore and interact with with good well thought out battles and diverse combat classes. This game is void of all those things.
the story was interesting, but the dogshit gameplay killed the game for me.
its 99% standing in place pressing F F F F F F F and 0,1% story.
said a faggot posting balloonfaced frierenshit
And Aline's human had no free will.
Did they come up with their post-Fracture culture and the Lumina converter by themselves, or did someone prime them? You tell me.
But the first half of Expedition 33 isn't fake.
Lune truly deserved better. Her last reaction to verso's ending is the only saving grace.
She sits there smiling like a fucking lunatic after everyone in Lumiere has been gommaged
What?
No, that's Verso.
It kind of does though.
That's literally what she does? Are you fucking retarded?
It is kinda like FFX, except the people of Dream Zanarkand don't have souls dreamed by the fayth who are then released and returned to rest, they just fucking vanish into oblivion.
Simon was boosted twice by Clea and Aline.
The fact that all of the exemplars of this narrative mistake are also heralded as masterpieces is a great shame.
When exactly?
Anyone else genuinely surprised by the 92 metacritic score? I say this as someone who loves the game. There is no way this game should be scoring THAT high.
Sorry I was thinking about Alicia lol
Until the they are all gommaged they have definitely a modicum of free will, probably becasue Aline didn't bother to put restrictions on them like Alicia did. They were still stuck in the truman show
It was 93 before the Eternal Jap gave it a worse score than Starfield, Shenmue 3 and Apex Legends Mobile
i think it deserves at least an 8, so a 9 isn't that surprising. i can't give it a solid 9 because the combat turns into one-turn wins in act 3 for all the late-game bosses and side content if you know what you're doing.
it tells you the guy is "fake", but it doesn't subvert your expectations because the story is about that
At the start of act 3 she sits down next to Verso that's hunched over and she smiles like a psychotic retard the whole time.
That makes things even worse though. Wtf are critics doing scoring this game that high? There are way too many flaws in the game design to ignore.
I finally one-shot Simon. Now it's time for collectables.
Narratively speaking it is, to the player.
The game asks you to get invested in a setting, a story, characters and motivations and then it says: nah, I'm not going to tell a story about that at all.
I gave it an 8.5, still think a 92 average is ridiculous.
So what's the best weapon for Lune in the end game?
probably becasue Aline didn't bother to put restrictions on them like Alicia did. They were still stuck in the truman show
I think it's an issue of skill, really. Aline is described as a master painter, she could create life with sapience and an inner mind, by comparison young Verso was limited to simpler beings like Gestrals and Esquie. Alicia isn't a good painter, in her ending she could barely make fascimiles of a few people, and the rest are identical puppets, she couldn't give them an identity or free will.
and then it says: nah, I'm not going to tell a story about that at all.
But it does tell the story. So I wonder why you call it fake.
8 seems legit.
ony ones who disagree are people who thinks that anything below 8.5 is unplayable
8 is good game
Because she just got her memories back and realized "oh, yeah, I can fix this". She only stops smiling once she realizes she was wrong about Renoir.
That makes things even worse though. Wtf are critics doing scoring this game that high? There are way too many flaws in the game design to ignore.
Edge found it appropriate to include a prelude to their review to answer your question, so hear it from them.
The story just ended with "and everyone died anyway" and some players just don't want to accept that like loli twoface doesn't want to.
Not only she isnt' a good painter, she's also out of her mind and only cares about getting her escapism fix. She wasn't interested at all into giving them those nuances
young Verso was limited to simpler beings like Gestrals and Esquie
Did he have to draw Golgra with the largest tits, ass and thighs in the game?
She's not being unreasonable at first.
Like an addict, then when you threaten to remove her fix she starts getting more and more desperate to keep it and eventually resorts to violence. Like an addict.
That's just your headcanon.
Maelle/Alicia states that she can't bring people back the same way they were if they weren't gommaged because the chroma is no longer pure. Meaning Gustave in the ending isn't Gustave, but a painted version from her memories and influenced by Alicia's perception of him, like Painted Verso. Incidentally, we know the Verso in the Maelle ending isn't "our" Verso because he no longer has his scar, which we know he specifically didn't heal through a conversation with Sciel that Alicia wans't party to. Additionally, Alicia is shown grabbing Lune and Sciel's chroma immediately after they were gommaged when they flee from Renoir. Presumably since she doesn't bring Gustave back at the start of Act 3 she's not able to separate his chroma specifically from the rest of the chroma in the world as too much time has passed.
Why is videogames the only medium where people autistically tell themselves a top score has to mean a perfect product?
A 5/5 movie doesn't need to be perfect.
A 3/3 book doesn't need to be perfect.
Why does a 10/10 videogame have to be perfect?
I agree, which is why Verso tells Alicia "we're all hypocrites".
i stopped playing the game after beating the final boss "The Paintress" since that was the mission of my expedition
closed the game right after they planted the flag and came back to lumiere where everybody lived happily ever after
But it doesn't mean she puppeters them.
Side with piano-cuck
Why is the world being deleted??
Interesting they feel the need to do this all of the sudden for E33. This was absolutely not the case for their other reviews.
The story of act 1 and 2 is irrelevant to the actual story. Literally could be anything and it wouldn't matter. Could have been a centuries old war between Lumiere East and West where they kill the Paintress because they think she is a superweapon used by the other side and act 3 would be exactly the same
She couldn't fix shit she only started caring once Renoir said that he was going to destroy Versos canvas. That all she talks about all she cares about Verso Verso Verso. Are you really this dense?
be Verso as a kid
play around while your family paints, make toys by attaching paintbrushes on their wooden pose manequinns
draw your toys in your first canvas, along with your Esquie plushie and your dog, to play around with
turn 10ish, start noticing that women and their boobs and thighs make you feel fuzzy
draw the first female gestral and give her a huge ass
It makes sense really
Scaverim because it's the one with highest damage, nothing else matters
Extremely based and i should've done the same thing.
Well, Alicia forcing Verso to a life he doesn't want to life hoping he'll get over it is wrong.
But, Verso forcing Alicia to a life she doesn't want to life hoping she'll get over it is fine?
A 5/5 movie doesn't need to be perfect.
yes it does
A 3/3 book doesn't need to be perfect.
yes it does
Why does a 10/10 videogame have to be perfect?
yes it does
He helped design Clea's outfit which shows off the most cleavage for her and Maelle as well.
It's very funny that people brag about having Alicia's terrible coping mechanisms about dealing with the story not panning out as they wanted it to.
booblover is the only decent person in the family
only natural.
Because as far as she's concerned their problems are over. She just needs to go talk to her dad and ask him to fix everything up pretty please and she'll continue her vacation for a little bit longer (crossed fingers).
Alicia has a life she's just being a retarded 16 year old.
Verso has been wanting to die for the past 50 years and has experienced everything he could have.
that last paragraph basically repeating Vincke's speech from BG3's GOTY award
They're definitely preparing it for GOTY, it would make for a great story.
Thank you for better explaining the big issue. The plot is essentially interchangeable, having no impact on the last hour of the game. It really could have been anything.
Yes, because there is a thing called context
Alicia has a life she's just being a retarded 16 year old.
Do you really want to live a life in constsnt pain as a crippled, half-blind mute with a face that only a mother could love and her mother hates her guts?
be Verso
lust over your big sister
be Maelle
lust over your big brother
nice fucking family
Also when her mother leaves the canvas isn't her chroma going to leave with her?
The fact they were making her chroma unable to return to her must mean it's limited
Sciel was right. Grief blinds us. All you see are walls.
You have this incredible power to paint.
You'll never have to suffer a life you don't want.
Verso is literally telling her that the only thing holding her back is herself and to go live other lives in her own paintings. The problem is that guilt and grief has given her an unhealthy attachment to Verso's painting and she's using her physical issues as a way to excuse herself from moving on.
The context remains the same. They both think they know what's best for the other person.
gives 1 to >insert your favorite thing here<
well, your >insert your favorite thing here< is shit now because of my rating, sorry bro, you can't enjoy it anymore
I still liked the game. I just wish the story they wanted to tell (which I liked) didn't come at the expense of the story they asked us to get invested in the first place
I WROTE all that btw.
Can you explain why we should care about some retard cuck who shows up randomly halfway into game? You have no reason to be attached to Verso.
In their defence, if I was any one of their family members I would be lusting after all of them.
In actual English, doc
Because he's right. He also bangs both Sciel and Lune and they're cool with it.
This goes beyond the story retard. We're complaining on a meta level that the game itself is huge waste of time.
Am I alive?
Can I create thousands of magical worlds?
Then yes.
No it doesn't.
One is a junkie, the other wants the other to stop being a junkie. They both want to impose their will to the other, but they are not the same
Verso is literally telling her that the only thing holding her back is herself and to go live other lives in her own paintings.
This does not solve the problem. He just tells her to move on from one form of toxic escapism to another.
In the same way you can say Alicia had a good argument when she told him "get over your grief and start living among people again".
game is huge waste of time.
Comedy gold
The way you people talk about this game is so manufactured and fake.
Aiee the consequences of my own actions
Except as I said, both in the post and earlier in the thread, the addiction is to Verso's canvas specifically because her addiction stems from the guilt and grief she feels over her death.
I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just noticing something. It's narrative construction.
verso doesn't care what alicia does afterward or what new form of escapism she creates. she just wants to fucking die and have peace. his mom and dad were torturing his soul for years.
I was any one of their family members I would be lusting after all of them.
Only Renoir for me.
he*
Yes the game is hilariously bad
The story of act 1 and 2 is irrelevant to the actual story. Literally could be anything and it wouldn't matter.
But that's not true. Act1 directly ties into Act2. And Act2 directly ties into Act3.
And I'm not just speaking chronologically. Act1 introduces the cast and the setting. Gustave might die but that has a huge impact on the remainder of the cast. You can't call Act1 irrelevant when all the Act2 characters would be significantly different people without Act1.
And while you might be able to make a strong case for Maelle genuinely dying at the end of Act2, it doesn't change how Act3's Alicia is still significantly affected by Maelle. Alicia adopting Maelle's name isn't just for show even if she might not be the same person as Maelle.
And let's not pretend like all the Verso fuckery in Act2 isn't important to put all the Act3 Verso fuckery into perspective. It totally is.
And though it maybe couldn't be said for Maelle, Lune and Sciel genuinely appear to be the same people even after being repainted. And they are significantly affected by the the turns of the story. You couldn't have just started in Act3 and pretend like their characters wouldn't falter without the prior acts.
To laser focus on a specific aspect to serve as an example. What the fuck would Maelle's ending even be without the act1 and act2 context of what the fuck lumiere and the life she was even fighting for even was?
And the gravity of the demise that Lune and Sciel faces in Verso's ending is also leaning on the context of the prior acts. Like you can't just say the acts didn't matter just because the characters died. By that logic most tragedies don't matter since that entire type of storytelling more commonly than not ends with death.
In what way is Act3 the only act that matters? That's ridiculous.
The game conflates two different kinds of coping.
verso doesn't care what alicia does afterward or what new form of escapism she creates. He just wants to fucking die and have peace.
When did Verso lose his spark?
Did he have to draw Golgra with the largest tits, ass and thighs in the game?
I wish to hotglue her so bad.
How do you feel about the thousands of user review 10s given out for this game on its release date? Totally not weird right?
saw his real life mother nearly dying from side effects and know his sister will be the same
saw maelle erase his entire painted family like it was nothing
saw hundreds of expeditioners dying at his hands
And I disagree with it, because that's the game cucking out in order to have their clear-cut good/bad ending.
Why would they keep bringing up this point over and over again then? Why would make her a cripple in the first place if you decide literally at the very last second that this doesn't matter? Literally seconds AFTER she makes a desperate plight how she doesn't want to live this way.
It should be 95.
It's definitely better than Elden Shit and Baldur's Gay 3 that scored 96
Buddy, the plot could have been anything since the world ends up being fake regardless. You're twisting and turning trying to make sense of it when you don't need to. Nothing matters.
/thread
Paint yourself an eyepatch, bitch
this but unironically
baldur's gate 3 is what haters think 33 is, westoid slop through and through.
I wasn't being ironic. I believe E33 is 2 or 3 times better.
To be fair, he was absolutely willing to sacrifice everybody in the canvas, his father and sister included for his own piece of mind.
Alicia even calls him out on how he was eager to wipe out everyone no problem, her friends included, but once someone HE cares about dies, he's upset.
Motherfucker, you can't have a cake and eat it too.
I finally figured out why Clea is so weirdly attractive despite looking plain.
She looks like a chudette, like mossa's one.
That way of thinking is very nihilist.
You're gonna be dead in the end, why not kill yourself now?
The game going out of its way to paint the Maelle ending as bad as possible is why I can't respect this game. Nothing more than the illusion of choice.
trillions of subhuman p*inted must die
She acts like a chud too.
It's funny how you can gauge a person's skin color by wether they liked the story or not.
Release a game that looks better sounds better and plays better than all AAA games at a lower price when they're trying to raise game prices for a fraction of the budget
The seething is nice keep it up
Illusion of choice means both choices have the same outcome.
Just because one choice is worse than the other it's still a choice
yes it does
No it doesn't. It would be the score something perfect would get. But that doesn't mean only something perfect could get the score.
And the size of the scale matters. A 5/5, a 10/10, a 50/50, and a 100/100, aren't actually equivalent. It's easier to score a 5/5 than it is to score a 100/100. The latter is a much more detailed scale.
We could go as low as a two-point scale. 1/2s and 2/2s.
Are all 2/2s perfect and the 1/2s trash? In a three-point scale are the 3/3s perfect, the 1/3s trash, and the 2/3s right down the middle average? So in a 3 point scale you're either average, perfect, or trash? That doesn't make sense and it's not how things are scored either.
Just like a thumbs up on a two-point scale doesn't equal perfection.
So why should a 10/10 game have to be perfect?
And no a 5/5 move doesn't need to be perfect. That is not how they have been historically score and it's not how they're being scored today.
Why are you so tied to the idea of a top score equalling perfection?
I repeat. A top score would simply be the score something perfect would get. But it doesn't mean that only perfection can get the top score.
They went a bit too heavy handed with the themes but I get where they're coming from. Sacrificed a bit of the plot for pushing the THEMES
also saw hundreds of expeditioners dying not at his hands, people he was likely just as close to as our expedition
The anti-turnbased bias is the only reason it isn't even higher. I mean look at the games that actually get higher scores.
He was leading them to their deaths
I didn't make this fucking game. I definitely would never use such lazy storytelling methods to "subvert expectations". Don't call me a nihilist for calling out the game for what it is.
You can't think why a disfigured teenage girl who is responsible for the death of her brother wouldn't have great emotional intelligence?
subvert expectations of what? the game gave clues since act 1. the act 3 prologue was a jrpg infodump for people who turned off their brains and wanted the answers explicitly told to them about what was happening. also, you still kill 'god' in the end, so nothing really changed.
Lune and Sciel were throwaway characters anyway though, they barely had a personality
Again, Verso is fully aware that he is being a hypocrite. Its just that his goals align with the best way for his family to heal.
That was only expedition 00. The others he tagged along with he was actively helping because he wanted to die.
Not in Expedition Zero, he had to betray and kill them because they wouldn't believe the truth.
Somehow it flew over everyone's heads that the original title of the game was We Lost. The theme for Simon, the last Expedition Zero survivor, is also called this. Lumiere had already lost years ago, everything was put into motion at Expedition Zero, and above all painted Verso losing all his hope.
Not when the developers are trying to act like there is no right choice. They have literally said this. Which is complete bullshit when you look at the presentation of these endings.
There is nothing subverting, Ranjeet.
There isn't even a single plot twist in the story.
It's completely under your nose since the very prologue. Only a 62iq third worlder like you call this a subverting.
What do you think will happen when they kill the paintress? He was literally leading them to not just kill themselves, but everyone they love.
It’s funny how the twist explains why lune and sciel were acting retarded the entire 2nd act, Aline literally designed all of her creations positively towards Verso, he literally can do anything he wants
Yeah. I wish both endings were more neutral.
Like, don't make the Maelle ending a horror central. Just show her living her happy life with her friends in Lumiere. Only to pan on her RL grave at the very last shot.
And with Verso ending, show the family standing over his grave like in the original... but you then pan on Alicia and see that's she utterly miserable.
That IMO would be a better balance, with both cons and pros for either ending.
Act 3 makes the entire journey you've had with the characters pointless. Why would they do this?
the reason is that those characters aren't real, they are just painted people out of someone's headcanon and you need to focus on real people like Maelle/Alicia and her family drama. Maellodrama is in this story's theme
the european experience
game is called Clair Obsucr
I wish things were more grey
Are you stupid?
Specifically what are the clues in Act 1? When are we supposed to realize that everything is a farce?
Stop responding to yourself
he just wants to fucking die and have peace
I don't really get why so many appear to have come to the conclusion that this was ultimately all Verso was after in the end. Instead of just being one of the things he was after.
Just as an example to point to. At the very beginning of act 3. What would the point of Verso even escaping with Maelle be? Renoir was already in the process of erasing him before Maelle protected him and then tried to pull him towards Esquie. Had Verso stayed Renoir would have most definitely given him the oblivion he desired. But he didn't. Because Verso doesn't actually just want oblivion.
Why do people even think that? Because of He Who Guards Truth With Lies thing? Even that thing can be read in different ways. A bit presumptuous to assume his "truth" would be nothing but a desire for oblivion and nothing else.
Are you serious Ranjeet?
Let's spill some ink!
We are made of chroma!
The Paintress
Those who know not that they are not
Renoir calling Maelle Alicia
If I had Clea as an older sister I'd be stealing her panties too.
By the time you hit the manor for the first time.
We get it. Nothing matters.
nyoooooo maelle! i don't want you to paint five different clea onaholes or a loli version of lune for me! can't you see i'm suffering here?
clues in Act 1?
Alicia just flat out tells you?
niggas out there getting attached to streamers and vtubers thinking they are their friends and you are suprised by this?
This is also the reason why he can easily fuck both probably
Some people actually think she's still maelle.
I do appreciate that the one person that actively wants to explain everything to Mealle from the start is a mute.
But it isn't a farce? The story has stakes because what is happening in that canvas is horrific, because the suffering of its people is viscerally real.
Even Clea, the most cutthroat of the bunch, seethes about how this situation is breaking all sorts of painters guild regulations.
Love it or hate it, the game has 2 stories. The Disaster Expedition and The adventures of Verso.
The former ends in Act2 as the Expedition succeeds in their mission and came back as heroes, only to reveal that they got tricked by Verso into starting the final Gommage.
Act2 and 3 is all about why Verso did it.
The conclusion is these 2 goals coming head to head.
he can easily fuck both probably
Except not really, Sciel was dtf with Gustave as well, he just didn't care, and she wants her husband above anyone. Even if she can have a genuine connection with Verso later since they share a lot of trauma.
Lune has genuinely negative chemistry with Verso and they don't give a shit about either, she can only fuck him once out of spite for parents.
retards don't know what hindsight is
You don't have any context for that stuff until act 2.
act1 and act2 didn't matter! it was all fake!
The prolonged existence or not of the canvas is one of the most contentious points of act3's drama.
And how the fuck could that drama have any weight at all if you hadn't first established what the world at stake was?
Modern audiences seem to struggle with the idea that characters may hold conflicting beliefs.
Verso is such a scummy piece of shit
If you didn't have alarm bells in your head with
the painting references
mining chroma
the manor and paintings everywhere
Maelle's nightmare scenes
having a preacher in Lumiere ranting about how the Paintress is actually their Messiah
you didn't pay attention.
What build did you use?
You don't have any context for that stuff until act 2.
How is saying "Those who know not that they are not" two times not a clue? Do you have brain damage?
Nope you're just employing hindsight once again. You didn't know shit.
preacher in Lumiere ranting about how the Paintress is actually their Messiah
Reminder that your local homeless schizo is correct and you should give him a box of wine and some cigs.
struggle with the idea that characters may hold conflicting beliefs.
Theory of mind, anon.
X is said by a character in the game, which means the devs wrote it, which means it's canon/it's the personal opinion of the writers
I see it too often.
She's both actually. The game keeps saying that. But it's noticable that Alicia's more shy and reserved personality countered Maelle's more firey one.
It's funny that personality-wise, they are almost total opposites of one anogher.
Its really creepy you wrote that out anon.
Those are vague platitudes that mean nothing without proper context.
Bro, you play as verso and can easily fuck both by just pressing X, don’t even need to read anything
That’s how i did it
You didn't know shit.
I didn't know exactly what was happening, but I instantly thought that
something is afoot here, the story is more than it seems, it's not about the Paintress being evil, I should pay attention
I knew that the Paintress wasn't going to be an antagonist before stepping on the boat even, it doesn't mean that I had guessed everything.
If you didn't get it by the time of the Act 1 finale cutscene and Maelle being shot out of the painting, you are genuinely dumb.
fpbp
even bg3troons didn't make these many threads.
this game is so shit.
shit unreal slop engine
shit brown n bloom art direction
shit characters
shit woman n faggot dialogue
shit story
shit broken unbalanced combat
its just shit.
vague platitudes
Fucking end me i hate you all
No shit there was more to the paintress than initially anticipated. Are you being serious right now? This is basic storytelling.
exactly this:
youtube.com
remember important pictos like: tainted, inverted something, glass canon, augmented first strike, painted power, and the other he mentions.
Video is well explained, but basically you use scielle to buff, monoko to apply defenceless+mark, maelle oneshot everything
Well, there's a reason Maelle has red hair and Alicia has white hair.
No she's not both she had the memories of both but clearly is basically Alicia from the get go and the maelle influence jist gets weaker as the last act comes to a wrap.
it's contentious because it bad writing.
it's a well known and overused trope that is infamous for removing any stakes from a plot and ultimately making the story pointless.
Intelligent members of an audience feel insulted by the absurdity of this trope and that it's wasted their time.
You’re talking nonsense because we don’t know how Alicia was like before Verso’s death
She probably was like Maelle since she was active enough to cause Verso’s death
It’s also interesting that she says twice in the game that she’s not a child, once to Clea once to her Father already after living as Maelle
Still a teenager who doesn’t really deserve respect but demands it nonetheless
Can you use proper english grammar before calling anything bad writing?
How were the stakes removed? Seems like the stakes were pretty high.
Jeeez those numbers!
Thanks m8 will be giving that a go.
Renoir, get my fucking daughter out of here, this doesn't involve her
Nah it'll be fine, now leave before I fuck her up and trick her as a child soldier against you
Too many Renoir apologists here, that man was also at fault.
it was an interesting choice to only introduce the family in like the last couple hours of the game whereas they had spent the entire thing building up this alternative reality so the audience gets attached to it
one way or another I don't really care about the problems of a little girl with a burned face and I'm not sure why anyone else should either
I feel like they could've slow-stepped the reveal by having us play as Alicia in the real world manor at various intervals, kind of like Altair in the first asscreed game, instead of just exposition dumping at the END of the game
She probably was like Maelle since she was active enough to cause Verso’s death
You can read in the journals that she was pretty much a quiet bookworm and this only intesified after the accident.
The whole point of the Reacher is that she's a girl that can achieve great heights, but she's too unsure of herself to try.
Phantom Stars
*shwing shwing shwing*
She probably was like Maelle since she was active enough to cause Verso’s death
No, she was always a reclusive bookworm who refused to play with verso and clea in that specific canvas.
Paint yourself an eyepatch, bitch
having your own daughter used as a child soldier against you isn't enough of a wakeup call
As usual, Aline is at fault and her boss fight is her being absolutely deranged.
You're trying to act like a villain saying "everything is not as it seems" is supposed to be anything more than generic nothingness. It's super overdone at this point and is not evidence for Act 3.
Alicia wasn't to blame for the fire, it was the Writers
You guys are arguing against people who, whether they realize it or not, think that there's nothing fundamentally wrong with Persona 4/5's story, so I think it's a lost cause.
Let them continue to wallow in escapism by championing a story which, they believe, encourages the player to confront it in a decent-to-competent way.
She’s not exactly heart of the party as Maelle too, she’s an introvert who doesn’t really have any friends, and her only genuine connection is with Gustave prior to the expedition. Which Alicia also hang around Verso a lot since she comments about that when you interact with the piano in the fake out epilogue
Probably because they were like 10 to 15 years older than her.
It's unfortunate how rushed Act 3 feels.
Aline: Alicia you can't be here! It's not safe! Renoir say something!!
Renoir: how about let's all leave together? That sounds like the best option for everyone.
The man saw his shot and took it. I can't be mad at a king for being a king.
Clea didn't do anything wrong
your older siblings invite you to a magical world
no, I'd rather read alone in my room
My sister is 8 years older than me and I still went along with the fun stuff she did, especially since verso painted that canvas when he was a kid and was perfect for children.
Because the writer can't plot. That's why it's a melodrama. That's why the initial mystery has no satisfying resolution, and instead becomes a totally different plot after a twist. That's what hacks do.
There is not a single twist in the story.
To be fair, Clea was a bitch, so I wouldn't want to play with her as well.
it was perfect for children before clea and renoir created all those monsters with numerous sadistic ways to kill and torture the expeditioners.
Clea is the best girl, no contest.
Also HOT sex with IRL Alicia, she grows on me every day.
Verso and Alicia were close
gustave dying is an obvious twist and completely unexpected twist, and exists to parallel the shock of verso's death in the real world
I can't think of any other game that willingly does that to the main character
Same, dropped it in Act 3. Don't care about the """feelings""" of painted chat bots, not sorry.
The fate of Lumiere is more important than any one's individual life. Maelle swore that same oath - Lune to Gustave
It's like you guys don't even try to pay attention
When Painted Renoir/Alicia are watching over Maelle and we hear Painted Alicia (presumably as an internal monologue) recite her poem regarding "those who know not that they are not".
full metal daemon muramasa did it first
character whose entire personality is "for those who come after"
ohhh his death so unexpected! hack writers!
holy kek
Has a story ever filtered so many readlets before?
practically nier automata but french
Why are they making kids swear oaths? Maybe Lumiere does deserve to be annihilated
don't be retarded, the entire thing is set up for you to think that this is your MC for the game, hence the entire focus is on him and in your skills screen there are unlockables that you think you're going to get as him in the future that you physically can't get before his demise
Lol retard
The entire culture of post fracture Lumière is desperately fighting for survival and holding back their destruction. Even if they don't actually expect to win, it is done to keep up hope.
youtu.be
Maelle was too young to participate, she volunteered.
Nah, it was pretty obvious it was going to be Maelle. You don't introduce Frodo-like kid sidekick in your jRPG inspired game, without them taking over as an NPC.
Also, in terms of marketing, she was probably the most promoted character.
What is the point of even talking about what you liked in Gustave, Lune and Maelle as characters?
you know all the other characters in games arent real either right?
Child soldiers, yikes.
Not him. But combine it with the manor. The world being established to be made out of paint. And the world at large just not making a lot of sense. And it's not exactly a surprise when it's revealed that the world is a painting.
When you get to explore the overworld and get to see the effects of the fracture first-hand. Including the axons and shit. You pretty naturally come to conclusion that gods have been fighting here. And then you start asking yourself what kind of world it really is and who the gods in question would be.
And these questions are asked in context of all the paint and the giant paintress at the monolith.
That the world was a painting is honestly that not big of a twist. The unexpected stuff lies in the execution and details of the characters and actions involved. Not so much that the world was a painting. That you really could have guessed and should have at the very least had a hunch about.
FF8.
Literal brown skin filter.
that expedition failed music sting on the title drop
oof
yikes
sheesh
hm... yeah seifer your cock is so big
b-but... my name is squeall
o-oh... sorry..
more like anti-cuck filter
You can literally look into the character model sinve act1 and see they are made of paint
Idiots
Is the painted world a parallel to Palestine?
Also, this connection between Maelle and Alicia is laid so thick, you have to be an idiot not to figure it out.
But to fair, I did fail to guess the exact context. I was going more for the Silent Hill take, with Alicia being like Alessia Gillespie, being a catalyst of the events, but at this point being long gone and painted Alicia being her literal ghost. Eith Maelle being her reincarnation, like Heather Mason.
To be fair, I wasn't THAT far away.
So is crispy Alicia in her epilogue section, because she's literally using Maelle's model.
Act 3 makes the entire journey you've had with the characters pointless. Why would they do this? I am currently feeling serious regret putting almost 50 hours into this game only for it to end the way it did. It almost feels wrong to even like the prologue and multiple events throughout the game because they don't matter. What is the point of even talking about what you liked in
Up until this point I thought OP was talking about Baldur's Gate 3
The sequel will fix it.
been lumina farming here for 2 hours now
fps gets gradually worse and worse as I kill the clones because their vfx doesn't disappear
You need to get laid to set this porn addled brain right anon
Kek
>fps gets gradually worse and worse as I kill the clones because their vfx doesn't disappear
lol for real?
bro
But when Muramasa did it, it was fucking garbage. Because the entire fucking opening act cast got fucked. Not just the supposed protagonist.
Even though Gustave dies, we still get to follow Lune, Maelle, and Sciel who we got to experience alongside Gustave. But when the Muramasa cast dies to be replaced by the real protagonist, there is no connection. Because he didn't even know or interact with the original cast.
This is good and all but can we all agree that default Maelle hairstyle is the worst one?
Alright I'm done, should be enough for Verso and Maelle.
French Bob Maelle or bust
Until you get Clea's hair.
But honestly. The white version of her default-hair is kind of cool.
Why is "nothing is real lmao" used at all anyway? Yeah, I know it's not real, I'm sitting my ass, hinched over my pc, wasting my time pretending I'm some sort of great fantasy hero. No shit sherlock, you figured it out. That's what I play video games for, a fantasy.
Do hacks really think it makes them seem smart?
I remember when enderal did this shit constantly, every second dialogue in the main quest was "idk, might be all a dream, le trollface"
the true reason why Verso killed Gustave is, given that he built a device that could harness the power of the fabric of their word itself, the fact that sooner or later Gustave could find a way for the Lumierians to get out of the painting
The demiurge fears the indomitable human spirit
The hypocrisy to fight for the persistence of the painted world. When you kill the entire world every time you shut off the game.
Ever considered that?
It's a deep technique used by writters not very often (like only 99% of the time) called "expectation subversion"
So who has the greater power? The Writers of the Painters. Can the writers write the script of your life and you can't change it unless you burn the paper it was written on?
This game is the newest lighting rod for all the Anon Babbletards to prove just how retarded and illiterate they are
The player because he can stop playing anytime and leave those fags seething
So who has the greater power? The Writers of the Painters.
They're probably equal. Except the latter are paint nerds while the former are book nerds.
The ending sucks. No good/fun options, no catharsis, no nothing. Nier authomata did the same exact thing way better and a long time ago
Also Nier Automata's OST is still GOAT
Nothing fucking matters.
Yes, that's the whole point of the game.
To make you feel empty and experience the grief of the characters.
A good piece of art makes either think or feel, great art makes you both think and feel.
The world stopped mattering, what matters is whether it contains Verso or not. That is what people refer to the stakes/importance focus shifting.
Nobody gives a fuck about the people except Lune and Sciel, and they get to say or do nothing, so nothing matters.
You either trust Maelle or don't, and it doesn't even matter because it is all "teehee up to interpretation :3c"
It's an understandable frustration.
If I wanted to experience defeat, futility and dissapointment I'd just go outside instead of playing a 100 hours/50 dollars video game
makes the entire journey you've had with the characters pointless
If that's your takeaway... you might just be American. This is a game for high IQ European chads, not for seed-oil-rotten amerifat brains.
Doesn't deserve respect
That bitch has fought an entire war basically on her own while her parents spent 70 years shitting and pissing at one another not bothering to help her. And she is still mature enough to understand all of them, even Verso, who genuinely doesn't deserve an ounce of understanding and should be gone by the first treason point.
Pretty sure she deserves a lot of respect. Definitely more than anyone in the game, sans the rest of the painted cast, obvious exclusions aside.
my lune's a literal glass cannon that can't be healed and yet my verso's still the squishier of the two wtf's going on here
You, the Player
The journey was not pointless. The point was just not what you thought it was.The point was to make you feel attached to the world the same way Maelle does and it succeeded just fine for me and I'd say most other people. It would have a been a no-brainer to choose the end of the painted world without you experiencing it first. The characters in that world aren't bots or something, they are feeling entities that deserve to live, which creates the whole dilemma
The "pointless" argument still holds fairly well because the endings are both retarded and rely entirely on nobody using a single braincell, external input, previous experiences or character development.
It's infuriating because you could spend an entire game building an attachment and figuring the characters are going to use the information acquired, specially the side content if you do it first, to make a decision.
Instead they make some formulaic poorly thought-out statements without any actual conversation and you are left with
did they kill themselves or not
you will never know!
someone probably did either way since god forbid they ever use their brains for anything though
hurdy durdy durrrrr
fuck you
credit roll, thanks for playing
Nice retort lol
Where exactly do you perceive this lack of braincells in the characters? To me it's pretty cut-and-dry.
Renoir and Verso want to destroy the painted world because it is destroying their real world family
Maelle regards the painted world as her real family and doesn't want it destroyed
What amount of talking it out or thinking about previous experiences would change this dynamic? They'll always arrive at this central conflict.
I don't really see a way for an ending 3, but I'd love to hear some other thoughts.
Yes, the moral of the story is that the Painters are malevolent false gods that all deserve the oven.
That happened after Verso's death when Aline entered the canvas and created her fake family and fake Lumière. Then Renoir came in with the Axons and Clea with the Nevrons.
If I wanted to experience defeat, futility and dissapointment
You were warned.
youtu.be
It is a definitely "a dream" type of story. Because even in them you see development for the dreamer. It's no coincidence that once the story decided to be about that, after act 1, all characters outside of Maelle stopped developing.
Not him. But Gustave would have absolutely convinced Maelle to leave the painting and to not stay indefinitely within the canvas.
Then the family would just need to help Aline and show that her family is in the real world so that she doesn't return to the canvas too. And then they could store Verso's precious canvas somewhere safe and tend it sensibly.
So well. It's a real shame that Gustave died.
Now that I think about it, this is strongly supports Maelle being up to something in her ending. There's no way Gustave would be resurrect, find out all we know, and be fine with Maelle staying in the painting indefinitely.
Where do we begin?
Renoir has spent the past 70 years forcing an issue without succcess
Nobody talks about the matter, Clea states it herself
Fine, they are thousands of years old for all we know, would make sense. But-
Then you beat the shit out of him
Maelle comes to an understanding with him... or does she?
Seems to lie about the matter
Then despite being literally 32 years old and perfectly capable of thoughts up until this point her answer to Verso saying "u lied" is
N-no I dident
Well akshually
spergout about wanting to die or something
Okay, so thankfully they are having this conversation in a place nobody else can come into so nobody can have an input!
That's nice, imagine if all other +5-6 people present (where even is Aline right now by the way? is she just kaiju punching Sirene ceaselessly? nobody knows!) could weigh in on this very pivotal moment.
Well since this convient filter is in place, what does Verso have to say?
Yea you lied once so obviously time to suicide and kill everyone because of my fake memories!
What? How is this even a conclusion to reach randomly?
it's because the painter kid is sad or some shit
Okay? Will anyone discuss that part? Talk to him? Talk at all on the matter?
No
Cool so what do we get instead,
Maelle screeches like Aline did
Verso screeches like Renoir did
They seemingly have learned nothing from the entirety of the game despite being first hand witnesses to all the bad shit that happened from this very situation
Death fight ensues...
... Now Verso IS! dying somehow if you go that route? For... dramatic effect I guess?
And still Maelle is not at ALL talking to anyone
And no one's inputs are being weighed in
Except angry Lune stare I guess
It's funny how even in the 'Maelle should leave the canvas' line of interpretation it still loops around to it all being Verso's fault kek.
That Gustave has absolutely either been kept in the dark, has been tampered with, or is otherwise being actively manipulated.
He would not approve.
people are waking up to the story being garbage
Thank god we still have thinking people around
You completely missed the primary conflict being discussed in that scene. Verso wants to die, but does not trust Maelle to let him die.
... Now Verso IS! dying somehow if you go that route? For... dramatic effect I guess?
They cover that when he enters that room. It's constantly attempting to erase his chroma. The effect is more pronounced once Maelle beats him up, but there's no way for him to die in there without Maelle gommaging him.
Or you know, they are just trying to work her through the grief with normal activites and having a pleasurable life together rather than do what Renoir or Aline did which is basically the complete opposite of what you should do, ever?
What do you think they would do? Fight her? Murder her when she is not looking? Avoid her?
Why would not they be trying to work her through the motions while trying to find the means of fix the issues that might keep her from moving on, I.E time dilation or Versoul, through Gustave+Lune science (potentially with the help of Painted Renoir and Painted Clea at that, who made the protection domes)
The story is not garbage, it just takes an easy way out during the endings, which legitimately soured the endgame for me.
where even is Aline right now by the way?
Not in the Canvas, you kicked her ass, remember? She is said to be too sick to return anytime soon
Maybe use a spoiler tag next time champ
Not sure why this game has so many nigger threads without spoiler tags, are you all newfags?
Perhaps books also contain magical worlds of their own.
this fictional video game character isn't pointless
this fictional video game character in a painting is pointless
Damn, this game is a real IQ test and so many fail.
Nah, that is not the point at all by then. The point is that he doesn't want Maelle to kill herself in the painting, which is why he only changes his mind last second when Renoir guilt trips him with Aline doing the zombie dance.
Which again, makes the entirety of the game's development pointless because it all comes down to,
Nope there is no way we can potentially discuss any middle points!
Which is why all they do is sperg out like their parents and repeat their same mistakes.
Again, super - if only that didn't require the FILTER EVERY OTHER CHARACTER AND ANY POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT magic in place, which makes everything dumb and cheap.
Baldur's gay shoudln't even be considered a game. Fetish shit for a niche of fappers
baldur's gate 3 is what haters think 33 is,
this. E33 is actually good
The point is that he doesn't want Maelle to kill herself in the painting
That's why when he lost the fight the point he keeps repeating is for her to leave the canvas and save herself, oh wait that's not what he was saying at all.
you are retarded, plain and simple
first ting first, reducing the quality of a game/book/movie to a simple number is stupid and souldn't be taken literally. It's just a super-semplification. The yshould at the very least give two numbers, one for objective quality and one for subjective enjoyability, and that would still be a massive oversemplication.
also a number to low, let's say 2/2 is retarded becasue it reduces the judgement to a binary good/bad with no nuances. 4/4 and 5/5 are barely any better.
We usually use a 10/10 system because it gives you nuance but it doesn't go beyond our capability to give nuance to it. What even would be the difference between a 78/100 movie and a 79/100 one?
If you have something that cannot be made better, you give it 10/10. If it can be better than your 10/10 doesnt' make sense, because and higher rating cannot exist.
And why do you have to give somithing a perfect score? A 10/10 is usually that structurally impeccable piece of art that execture all it's elements in an excellent way, and it's universally defining in its own field. Or something like that
You are obsessed with perfect score because you are a shill and/or made the product your identity
Scores aren't that important
Cope. it's there even if you don't want to.
And subversio of expectations isn't a twist
Like, don't make the Maelle ending a horror central. Just show her living her happy life with her friends in Lumiere.
why? Maelle's ending goes against everything you see in the game.
If it was good it would be out of the left field
Then why make the second ending, if the game decides for you which option is good and which is bad?
Just make it like TLOU did it and have Neil Druckmann preach at you.
r basically on her own while her parents spent 70 years shitting and pissing at one another not bothering to help her.
so you didn't understand the story, got it
It doesn't matter because some of the characters aren't real
bro none of them are real
It's just like real life. Your life doesnt matter
I hate to use the term but it really is a case of "media literacy"
And you're just as stupid as the people who usually use it.
There is not a single twist in the story.
lmao, there is no media literacy in you
There was a decent possibility for Mealle to be the true protag, but protag of the story of acts 1 and 2, not of an unrelated story that started in act 3 and made antd 1-2 irrelevant
You are not smart.
The game sets its own rules, and according to those rules we are asket to consider people outside of the painting as real people
The Paintress apocalyps was clearly some reality altering event in a paint-themed game.
That stuff means nothing
Also the problem is not that the world is revealed to be a paint, but that the story told in act 3 makes the story of acts 1-2 irrelevant
Except Gay Porn 3 was all bad
Why is it irrelevant? It entertained you right, or you wouldnt still be here talking about it
subversion of expectations isn't a twist, and only postmodern hacks use it
Please dont shit the bed with hyperboles
If you had read some books you would know that subversion of expectation is bad writing
it's bad on purpose!
The problem is in thedisconnect between act 2 and 3, not in the ending.
The Verso ending is spot on with the story they tell in act 3
hey uh are saves transferrable between game pass and steam
God you are so stupid.
game tells you this game character is important
game tells you this game character is not important
Notice any difference?
Flavor. Perspective.
Nowhere is stated tha both need to be valid.
Anche characters acting according to what is established for them isn't preaching. It's called natural conclusion.
And TLOU is shit
It entertained you right, or you wouldnt still be here talking about it
Taht's retarded. I'm here to talka about it because I liked the game overaall, but that part of the writing is dogshit.
Storytelling has rules and grammar, and if you can't tell why bad writing would ruin a story that was good until that point I don't know what to say
subversion of expectations isn't a twist
it is when you go like:
Uhm actually, the journy isn't a "go kill god" like in most JRPGs but "see throught this family drama"
you expected an expedition to something rather unknown with the paintress but it's just soap opera
Not when there are plenty of hints beforehand that you chose to ignore because you were set on your boring ass standard expectation of go there, kill thing, happy end
If you have something that cannot be made better, you give it 10/10. If it can be better than your 10/10 doesnt' make sense, because and higher rating cannot exist.
You're essentially saying that all 10/10s are equal. Are all 5/10s perfectly equal too?
And why do you have to give somithing a perfect score?
This is it though. Why are you so fixated on this idea of a "perfect score"? It's not a perfect score for perfect things. It's the top score for things that are good enough for a top score.
Perfect things, were they to exist, might qualify for a top score. But that doesn't mean the top score is perfect.
There can be a difference in quality within one and the same score. Why do you think reviews started doing silly decimal scores and shit?
A 9.3 and a 9.5 are both 9/10 by the end of the day. You've just gotten pedantic and is effectively actually using a hundred point scale instead of a ten point scale at this point.
When a gymnast gets clean 10s from all the judges at the olympic games. Does that mean that they're "perfect" and that no gymnast in past, present, or future could ever possibly be better?
Top scores aren't perfect. They're just the scores something perfect would get. There is wiggle room within each point on the scale. And that includes the top scale. And the lower the scale is the more wiggle room you've got for each point. And the the scale the less room there is within each point. But there is still wiggle room.
But this is also why a 10/10 is more impressive than a 5/5. And why a 50/50 is more impressive than a 10/10. Etc.
Show me where exactly the game tells you a character is not important. With exact quotes.
The whole point of the game is accepting that the painted world and it's people are not real and learning to accept reality, just like Alicia did.
You can enjoy things but they're no substitute for reality.
That stuff means nothing
The fracture makes you think about the degrees of present and involved the presumed gods of this world had got to be. For something like the fracture and axon battles to happen.
And alongside all the paint themes. And the manor that literally has paintings of the world and miniatures of things and creatures that we find. It's not a great leap to make the guess that the world might have been painted by say, a paintress. Or some other painter.
As I said. The details are difficult to get right. But the idea that the world is a painting is not anywhere near as farfetched or sudden as you make it out to be. Lots of people were guessing the world was fake in some form or another, and a painting is like the most common guess of that kind.
It's really weird that you never were a teenager.
my only complaint about this game is that the OST peaked in Act 1