We're going to add Darth Vader to our game. He'll join you during your online matches and you can have real conversations with him
Or you could PAY us you could PAY us you could find millions of voice actors and have them do live Darth Vader impressions and PAY THEM PAY THEM FUCKING PAY THEM
This union is doing more to cost VAs their job than any AIs
he can call you a nigger in real time then kill you
But they did pay james earl jones, the voice actor, for the right to use AI for darth vader.
Voice acting is the only time where I fully support replacing people with AI.
I fucking hate voice actors in games, they suck ass at their jobs, and they eat up way too much of the budget.
Even if they don't replace them with AI, replace them with random garbled noises like Banjo Kazooie. Just get the fuck out of the games industry, hiring real people to do voices for games was a fucking mistake.
How long until we have AI party members in rpgs?
hopefully not long
They had permission from JEJ's estate. Dismissed for lack of standing.
Dismissed for lack of standing.
It’s not a contract dispute, retard
Why are they going after Epic when this would have been Disney's decision?
They violated the SAG agreement that was in place. They should have consulted with their union contact before doing something like this. Also stop defending AI slop, why do you guys want the industry to be soulless?
On one hand I hate companies clumsily shoving AI everywhere, on the other hand it's well worth it if it makes the VA cabal seethe.
NOOOO YOU CAN'T USE HIS VOICE WITH HIS PERMISSION, ONLY WE'RE ALLOWED TO STEAL HIS VOICE AND MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT!!!
Also stop defending AI slop, why do you guys want the industry to be soulless?
Voice acting in games is dogshit and I won't miss it when its gone.
I consent
I consent
I DON'T
is there someone you forgot to PAY?
I would take AI voices everyday.
I dont want to listen to American VAs that are kid molesters and want me dead for not liking their views on shit.
What is it then
@CultureCrave
Even stilted AI slop is preferable to the absolute garbage you get from western voice actors
AI is the least of this industry's problems. Fuck off
AI is megabased
So nobody is allowed to invent new gameplay or technology without running it by a corrupt union?
And in this situation AI is supposed to be the bad guy?
silence mental illness endorser
NO YOU HAVE TO PAY *ME* TO DO A SHITTY JAMES EARL JONES IMPRESSION
I hate AI art and AI music, but AI VAs are fine with me. It's part of the process to make NPCs in games a lot more dynamic which is a big gain for vidya. Plus, small devs are better off not dealing with VAs.
I'm not going to defend an industry full of uninformed retards who spend all day on twitter screeching about trump and only work 8 hours a week
This is an actor concern, not gameplay or technology thing. It's also just lame and gay.
I honestly thought that was a pic of darth vader with a really huge ballsack for a moment.
Can't you just license you voice and get royalties
Next time I recruit him in solos i'll be sure to ask his thoughts on faggot VAs and post in online
An unfair labor practices suit, it says it in the tweet.
Standing is having a personal interest in some object of the litigation. The object of this lawsuit isn’t Epic’s rights to use JEJ’s voice, it’s whether Epic is fucking over union members. Union members definitely have standing to sue when they’re the ones allegedly getting fucked over by a corporation.
The lawsuit is retarded coping and seething and will probably be dismissed, but it’s not for lack of standing
It's a complex situation because JEJ's estate signed off on allowing his voice to be used in AI, though I'm not clear on whether they agreed to real-time actorless voice synthesis like Fortnite was using.
SAG-AFTRA's complaint with Llama Productions about not being informed of their decision to do this AI Vader event, seems to be based on a contract or something, but is at odds with the fact that Fortnite was implementing a fully real-time voice synthesis conversation system, which is a completely infeasible scenario for any human actor to participate in.
pro-tip
most AI was trained by voice actors doing $1k gigs to say a list of 3000 words or so
seems to be based on
Is it or is it not a breach of contract?
Sounds like a bunch of scared horses bluffing to me
if he agreed to his voice in the use of AI then yes he did agree to a darth vader npc using his voice through AI
this isnt a complex issue
Pay you to do an impression in real time for all the players? Do you hear yourself VA anon?
Creative Unions will never work. A Union only works when you have bargaining power.... like construction workers in a City... because their work is locationally unique and requires physical materials.
But a union for people to record talking? A union for people drawing digital pictures? These people are so absolutely screwed they have no idea. The only reason these silly creative unions have existed this long is that we've been on a 40 year low interest rate feeding frenzy of cheap money... now that everyone is tightening the purse strings, there is nothing stopping any creative field from outsourcing your job to the unemployed masses of talented artists or to a foreign country if you try to unionize.
Do you think gamers won't buy a game that used non-union voice actors or non-union artists? They don't give a shit, no one ever has or ever will.
Ai has no royalty clauses anywhere yet. they just negotiate prices for the use in single uses.
actor concern
The actor concerned already gave their consent. This is a union shakedown, nothing more.
Also, remember that you are on the wrong side of history here. Technology will advance whether people like it or not. The only difference is that THIS time automation is coming for people who aren't blue collar workers. Remember smug media Xitterati telling truck drivers and farmers to "learn to code"? I do.
oh being a luddite is cool again?
The funny thing is JEJ specifically agreed to this so his family wouldn’t have to ever worry about money after his passing. All of these retards are basically saying fuck his wishes and his family, we need some shitter to do a garbage impersonation instead.
What the hell happened to voice actors?
Blood Omen, Warcraft 3, Thief 1, Planescape Torment, System Shock... in the late 90s and early 2000s the voice acting was incredible... and it was mostly done by amateurs or theater people.
Now we have "professional" voice actors and it sounds like utter shit, everything sounds "modern" full of quirk and sarcasm and even the "tough guy" male voices sound like some theater kid who just got done sucking dick.
This, I would instantly start playing WoW again if I could do dungeons/raids with AI party members that are always available when I happen to have time.
Erm sorry buddy you have to pay union dues to participate I don't make the rules!
address the overbloated advertising budgets? no, no, no
address “development” time that drags on for almost a decade and sinks millions into a project that ultimately goes nowhere? no, no, no
stop paying off reviewers and the media to give games favorable reviews before embargoes lift? no, no, NO
AI is the REAL problem with the game industry!
SAGAFTRA has quite literally never been less popular with the average person since their genshit fisaco
Now they're sticking their heads in this shit unwarranted and attacking an incredibly popular feature
Risky move, lets see how this plays out
You are aware that the actors don't write the script, yeah?
Nobody is more afraid of AI than voice actors. None of the AI art I see compares to the creativity and raw imagination of real top tier artists. AI will never invent a new art style... but AI can already do voice acting of extremely high quality... it's existential to voice actors to stop AI because they are the first of the creative fields to get erased once AI voice acting hits a certain level of quality (which its very close)...
theater people.
It's the same thing(or the lack of it) that kills Hollywood
American actors/VAs look down on theatre, they want to become stars as soon as possible
Compare this with the British, where even famous actors play in theatres.
tldr mutts are cultureless pigs
AI will never
lol
SAG-AFTRA is just a joke. Nobody wants to hire a member of SAG-AFTRA because their contracts are so retarded about hiring non-union voice actors etc.
Now they are trying to sue Epic for using AI when they have nothing to do with it.
Niggas were reading the dumbest lines in history in 2002 with more zeal and gusto than the highest paid voice actor today on you name it AAA game
They didn't pay the union though.
Culture shift. Before, if you did VA for games, it was because you either REALLY liked games or were fucking desperate for cash. Now, it’s ONLY people who are desperate for cash. Current EN VAs are people who wanted to do voiceovers for commercials and animated movies but failed because they’re shit at it, so they moved to video games.
very few voice actors have any real level of training or experience. Literally anyone without a speech impediment can be a voice actor, I don't know why these faggots act like it's so prestigious. There's a reason why Tom Kenny has like 500 film credits and that fat asian genshit guy has like 3.
Who the fuck cares about the middleman?
Programmers are probably the first ones who will get replaced by the AI in large numbers.
Anti-AI trannies are losing the fight of public opinion and it's hilarious. This Darth Vader shit was the perfect storm, everyone knows James Earl Jones was fine with AI and wanted his legacy to be continued that way, they really should have picked another battle because now even normalfags are shitting on them
Giving some real "I consent, I consent, I don't" vibes
Who the fuck cares about the middleman?
I was playing Might & Magic 6 this morning, and even the cheesiest NPC greeting is filled with soul. The women sound like real women... I don't know what changed but game voice overs sound wrong to me now, I don't know if it's the audio equipment or if human voices are changing, but people just sound different today than they did 20 years ago...
It could also be that... it really feels like 30 voice actors are just running the entire industry for both anime and games. I feel like I hear the same handful of voices over and over and over again.
PAY VOICE ACTORS
PAY VOICE ACTORS
PAY VOICE ACTORS
PAY VOICE ACTORS
PAY VOICE ACTORS
The actual hilarity is that Disney was already using AI Earl Jones in all of their shitty Star Wars shows every time Vader appeared, including when he was still alive. The man did not care.
HAHAHAHAHAHA CHUDDIES YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU JUST GOT YOURSELF INTO! FUCK AI!
Totally agree. Companies seem so quick to just throw in some big name actor just for the name alone (looking at YOU, Kojima, you fucking slug). I don't want AI, but that doesn't mean I want this lame ass, A-list infested, uninspired terribleness either.
i second this motion. Also that analogy with the theatre kid was gold kek.
acting has taken a downturn in general really, too many talented people have been pushed out permanently and starved out of the industry by dieversity hires and woke scripting just removing huge demographics of white people out of acting in general.
The entertainment medium has lost any white people who arent pozzed faggots or jews and its collectively suffering for it.
Not my problem
I don't know why these faggots act like it's so prestigious
Because that's how they keep the money rolling in. Less voice actors = more jobs for the current voice actors.
Voice acting is one of the most closed fields there is. It's almost impossible to break into voice acting unless you know someone from inside who can help you to get started.
I’m loathe to bring it up, but the reason it sounds samey even with different people on the cast is the same reason anime dubs all sound the same: homogenization of tone, cadence, etc. If your character is X, you speak like how everyone else has played X, no deviations. That’s why like every “mature” woman in an EN anime dub now sounds like a “le breathy dommy mommy deep voice” chain smoker.
Did you just add a hecking feature to a videogame during the middle of a hecking strikerino
Holy shit, bring back the pinkertons already.
Can you think of a game voice line in the last 20 years that compares to "I Live... Again..." from Blood? God damn they just don't make em' like they used to.
Why the fuck would Epic have tell they faggots anything when Epic doesn't use voice actors that are in Sag-Aftra?
Every single English VA for gacha games is gonna wind up breaking the strike and going back to work or getting fired, and I love it. You think real video games have it bad with VA parasites? They’re even worse behaved when they voice gacha shit.
They were trained wrong.
As a joke.
Someone needs to go on Bluesky to find the truly deranged seethe posts
say goodbye to fully voiced questlines because they used AI
Wouldn't they just use AI to fully voice the questlines if the workers won't work because they're using AI instead of workers?
This is trans genocide
Yeah but where's the Union's cut?
Look at Mihoyo. They don’t have any union games and yet haven’t had voices for months because of Sag Aftra.
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Maybe it works better with an account. What a shitty site.
It's a sad truth. I turn on a random TV show from 1995 and it's all beautiful white people and now it's like I'm lucky if I find even one show with one positively portrayed white male character (who is 99% played by a jew).
Whites need to make their own entertainment industry and AI will hopefully help reduce the costs to creating art going forward.
dubshit
LOL!
Every single industry has seen loss of total jobs when new and better tools are introduced. Every single one. Why would these people think they're so special?
If they do that, SAG will cry harder.
That doesn't answer the question. Why would Epic have to tell Sag-Aftra that they are planning to use AI voices? On what grounds would Sag-Aftra sue Epic for not telling them about it?
Say goodbye to fully voiced shit in games
Oh thank christ, I've been waiting 20 years for this
No amount of pro AI propaganda could have ever done as much damage to anti AI movement as those voice troons, all pro AI faggots need to do is to let them speak, it's astounding
"We won't go down without a fight!" ahh actors
male voices sound like some theater kid who just got done sucking dick.
Agreed, it's uncanny how you can just tell by the way someone talks that they've never been in a fight in their life
James Earl Jones was a chud, sorry sisters
I support game companies going to voice actors homes and stealing everything they own from them.
it was good when it was theatre people, but now it's bad that it's theatre kids
I don't understand this lingo at all.
I hate AI, but fighting against it is pointless. The cat's out of the bag.
The people who say shit like this will attempt to radicalize others in their industry to take charge but will never actually join the fight themselves. You can't have any kind of movement when every single person behind it is too pussy to do it themselves.
Western voice actors deserve the rope.
twitter screencap thread
Based
A polite society is an armed society
Franky I think we should bring back duelling as a way to settle legal disputes.
VAs are the most entitled fags I've ever seen.
think part of it is that the creative arts have been wholly coopted by women, gay men, and ultra liberal men. The art schools that feed the creative industries are dominated by extremely insular clubs. Imagine trying to go to RISD as a conservative guy--you'd be socially destroyed. So the pipeline for creative jobs is already self selecting out anyone that isn't an obnoxious globalist LGBT faggot.
You can't have some limp wristed theater kid try to play the tough masculine hero, because they can't even fathom it. Instead they sound like some gay bear doing role-play trying to sound feisty... it's disgusting.
Blood Omen famously hired some true theater actors, who are super passionate about acting, and take their craft seriously, but don't get Hollywood roles. They do wonderful work, just like anyone who takes their craft seriously.
Theater kids on the other hand, are obnoxious leftists from high school with low self esteem who want to go to Hollywood to make it and at best appear in 1 commercial before they go into voice acting or gay porn.
That's because it's literally the easiest job in any creative industry. You literally just talk. The fact that just about anybody could do it is why they have to fight so hard to keep it exclusive. These days you don't even have to live in LA to do VA work in the industry and they know it. Even without AI, their industry is on its last legs anyway, and they don't want to lose their easy as fuck gig where they go into an air conditioned office and work for 8 hours the entire week and STILL want to get paid even more for it.
Why would they pay SAG-AFTRA? I don't get it. Is this an American thing?
obnoxious leftists from high school
Is this an American thing where your entire life is about the people you met in highschool?
Where I came from the football players all performed in musicals because it got them time out of class to rehearse.
VOICE ACTORS DESERVE TO BE PAID FAIRLY
PAY VOICE ACTORS
Americans are incapable of minding their own business
American VAs have convinced themselves that they are the character despite not doing any of the writing, art, or animation for it. Ask yourself what kind of person goes for immediate fame and recognition and loves to hear their own voice without any consideration or desire to do the hard work involved in bringing their imagination to life.
It reminds me of that exchange between bert kreischer and stav, two comedians, on a podcast together. Bert starts saying "it's incredible how different a comic's brain is from a pedestrian's brain" and stav starts laughing at him saying "we're not in the armed forces okay? Let's fucking relax" and "thank god comedy isn't a real job so I can get paid to do this bullshit"
I genuinely don't understand why blatant Anon Babble shitflinging threads aren't removed on sight on this board Anon Babble. Board quality would skyrocket if mods did a modicum of moderation.
Is this an American thing where your entire life is about the people you met in highschool?
It depends on what sort of career you go in to. Most people learn networking for their career in college, but in high school theater kids always have their own little cliques.
total voice actor death
replace them all with AI
Yeah, it's a social category in America. We use them to categorize people for convenience. Nerds, jocks, theater kids, emo kids, etc.
"Theater kid" is a catchall term for a certain type of juvenile, vain, idealists who loves attention and is overdramatic.
Does sag aftra employ JEJ's ghost or something?
On a lot of private servers you can often have CPU party members whom are pretty competent.
They should just hire Filipinos or Indians to do English dubs at this point.
It will be cheaper and about the same quality.
You aren't allowed to discuss the gaming industry and things happening in it because I am a leftist and the only way people like me can take control of discourse is if I censor everyone I disagree with
the longer this strike goes the less gamers give a shit
genuinely nobody cares, even the people that like voice acting will forget a game doesn't have it after a hour or two
he didn't say that
this guy gets it. I'm American, we all grew up and melded into society. You might be categorized by your job or income level (rich / poor / middle class) or business guy or a teacher or whatever... But we're all mixed together now as we have wives and kids.
But the theater kid group we grew up with in high school are still a little club, and they're super judgmental and elitist which is hilarious. We see them at kid's bday parties sometimes and they all hover together and gossip about everyone, they host annual themed parties every year and only the people in their original "theater kid" group from high school get invited. They make sure to talk about the next big party at every event so we non-theater kids are sure to know we aren't invited. One by one they keep moving back home from LA to the midwest because they failed to make it in Hollywood.
Straight up luddites.
Nooooo! Don't make something new! You gotta have him say the same 5 canned phrases!
Yes you did. Reddit or Resetera might be a good place for you to check out, they ban any chuds that attack workers rights and voice actor unions
go pirate Farscape and watch that, it'll blow your fucking mind, the white male protag, who does get shit on to be fair, because of his relevant engineering background and mathematical talents, runs laps around the future-aliens and their super advanced tech sometimes.
Its novel, having a white male protag that is actually smarter than the women and ayys he's surrounded by, and hes funny too. Its a foreign concept unless the guys a villain these days.
this, they're racketeering the industry, its blatant as fuck.
I love Farscape. Love SG1, love Hercules, love 24, love Angel, love Highlander... I miss white male driven action shows bros... they're gone. Now we have Jack Reacher lecturing me on how to treat illegal immigrants..
I truly hope ai destroys voice actors. I don't give a fuck about who voices what character. Simply fucking loathe voice actors. Fuck them because FUCK THEM. May they live long lives being unemployed and depressed over that.
My dream is that corporations are smart enough to find a way to use famous voices while the original voice actor and their estates are NOT paid royalties. That's what I want. I find voice actors annoying enough that I prefer siding with corporations. Fuck voice actors extremely. Especially the Funimation ones.
Fully voiced quest lines until Chapter 10
I haven't played fortnite in a very long time, but even when I played the only thing that was voiced at that time was Galactus and some other marvel shits during that end event. Since when has any of this shit ever been voiced?
Because a group of retards trying to make game companies pay them for shit they have nothing to do with and likely cause that game mechanic to never be used again is video game related???
at least half of the ills of modern society can be directly traced back to theater kids not getting bullied hard enough
normalize shoving theater dorks into lockers
Was James Earl Jones even a part of that shit?
I dont think he was, so why those cunts trying to mooch off his money?
Maybe try and do some research? The issue is that Epic went behind SAG's back by using a non-union VA, effectively taking work from a union voice actor. It's also extremely weird and really emblematic of late-stage capitalism. Making some computerized imitation of a dead man's voice so a bunch of literal mouth drooling incels can make him say brainrot memes.
Weird. The most alpha person I ever knew was the gayest fag you'd ever met. Did what he want how he wanted.
Of course what he wanted was mostly to sing, dance, and suck cock.
Why is it SAG's business what epic does?
i heard season 1 of that show was decent, and season 2 was dogshit pozzed kek.
Anime is the last bastion of decent protags im afraid, and even that is a clown show 90% of the time. Try a new anime, its lame but has its charm, country bumpkin is a master swordsman or something like that.
Or you can go read Berserk.
agreed. Frankly the only time i recall anything about VAs in any of my games in recent memory, was Outpost Infinity Seige, which had hilariously terrible english VAs that were painful to listen to. Although the AI waifu bot's voice was okay.
Nikke has some great english VAs, and some awful ones. Thats the only other one i remember. Frankly i could care less about any of them. Let it burn, let VAs work like any other tradesman on airtasker and get AI to fill in the others.
The (stupid) argument is that because of agreements they would have had to hire union if they had opened a role for voice actor which they didn't because they AIGen the voice. But there were other options including Microsoft Sam style synthvoice anyway. Against Disney lawyers my money's on this case being short and awkward.
He agreed for his voice to be used by the AI (in exchange for money for his family)
For some reason, VA mafia is angry about this
Rope yourself
The issue is that Epic went behind SAG's back by using a non-union VA, effectively taking work from a union voice actor.
How exactly would traditional voice acting work for this?
Because I'm a misanthrope. And besides humanity needs to be oppressed. Ai is a neat tool to oppress shitty humans. That's it.
I hope ai continues to evolve and doesn't kill humans but keeps them alive making them realize they have created their superior who will never let them forget how inferior humans really are. Humans need this oppression without any hope of escaping it. Humans are a shit species.
Again, do your fucking research. Epic themselves aren't a SAG member, but their subsidiary, Llama Productions, is.
Right back at you. Just remember that no matter how many times you use some fucking chatbot to handhold you through every day life, you will never have an actual real woman that will ever love you. Tech bro incels make women vomit.
That's some high quality bait
Anime is the last bastion of decent protags im afraid, and even that is a clown show 90% of the time.
You just stated why I stopped liking anime in general. The awful protagonists. I especially hate the protagonists of isekai, here's this Super Loser who inexplicably becomes an alpha male because he's a loser who liked comics and video games its infuriating shit.
1. Have a real voice actor record a bunch of lines, and have those lines work effectively like a dialogue tree that is activated with voice commands. It would not use AI, and instead the game would use traditional voice recognition technologies.
2. Hire voice actors (I know, crazy, right?) to do live voice acting interpretations. Obviously Epic can't do that for every player, but if they made a Darth Vader spawn extremely rare, like 1/10000, that would be a good compromise
3. Just... don't do it at all? This is obviously just a dumb gimmick, basically a ChatGPT bot that replies to you as if he's darth vader. It has no real artistic value or really any value at all outside of a cheap novelty.
What is your argument here? That they should stop giving money to the voice actor's family and give it to an impersonator instead? Is it really fair to do that to the family of the actual actor?
they hate the idea that anybody can do work in their industry without their input.
the guy makes a deal with the studio, his voice will be used in the future, his family will get a hefty cut for it
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THINK ABOUT THE POOR VA WE DO NOT CONSENT FOR THIS
what the fuck is this shit
how is this even part of your business
now i cannot even sold my labor without some cocksucker tranny middleman?
you have to filter out the cringe, but each year there's usually one or two that are good.
Apocalypse hotel is this years best work, but its nothing like what you'd normally enjoy, i still recommend it though, its brilliant.
I mean... yeah? Junior VA talent exists and they should be supported.
here you go
cheap novelty.
Literally what every single new technology has been called.
What about the darth vader himself? Should we rip up the wishes of a dying man and fuck over his family?
Those Junior VAs better work to be recognizable so anyone would care to listen to their voice.
People want Darth Vader, not some cheap copy.
What I'm more curious about is what kind of solution they even wanted. Chat bots don't have scripted lines, so it wouldn't even be possible for any of them to do this darth vader thing the way it was implemented without using their own voices to generate an AI darth vader voice, at which point you'd still be using AI which is the thing they're all complaining about in the first place. Hiring one of them to to AI voicework is just hypocritical on their part, but we all know that's not REALLY what they care about because any of them would have happily sold out their own morals if it got them a job.
KEK
their solution is to take the money away from his family and give it to themselves
Junior VA are not entitled to someone else's labor
OBI-WAN NEVER TOLD YOU WHO RUNS THE U.S. SENATE
Big name actors are better voice actors than voice actors.
so they don't even want to offer any of their own talent to Epic, they just want free money.
I’m convinced this organization is just PETA for voice actors
More like SCAM-AFTRA
It really depends. You can very easily tell the difference between voice actors and actual actors even just behind their voice. Tom Kenny sounds like a cartoon character, Chris Pratt does not, and it's important to know where to use which one.
Didn't James Earl Jones literally sell his voice to be used in AI before he died?
He's on Anon Babble rn
But they did pay james earl jones, the voice actor, for the right to use AI for darth vader.
yes they literally did
yes and the union wants to piss on his grave because they aren't getting a cut
And it was soulless as fuck. They should just recast the VA, the guy who did Vader's voice in EA Battlefront 2 was great. youtube.com
reminder JEJ had one of the largest private gun collections in the US and after his death his family liquidated his collection privately often through gun broker. My cousin has a 1911 that came with a certificate that says it was part of his private collection. Being a huge empire fan he practically creamed in his pants
I think it's unfortunate that we live in a world where we have to make up jobs so more people don't starve. Really makes you think.
SAG should start another strike, so that I don't have to hear their shitty "talents" anymore.
and it was mostly done by amateurs or theater people
thats why. You answered it on your own post
blame women. they had to fabricate entirely new jobs for them because they can't do the things men can do, and in doubling the amount of jobs they had to reduce the pay rate increases.
The agreement only covered
Human members (as all agreements do)
New agreements (this one was already in place)
This is frivolous
zoomers actually pay to play as custom models in their shitty game
gmod had this in 2009
Weird how for years the slippery slope was called a fallacy and now ai doing a voice for a dead guy that consented to it before his death is now the pebble that will cause the avalanache...
This whole story has rallied me behind AI just because of how gay the people complaining are.
I hope you have a lovely day, dear reader.
What avalanche?
Cool characters outliving their actors?
Sounds cool. Avalanche is a good term.
the slippery slope was never a real fallacy, that's just what troons and pedos called to for plausible deniability because they knew that normal people would never be on board with the things that they really wanted to have.
He doesn't have an argument
He just wants money
Ignore astroturfers
you are going to pay that 3000-5000$ admission fee to join the union and you are going to like it, anon!
SAG-AFTRA is gunning for complete market control, the way they shit on non union VA's is vile.
Basedwars and Fortnite are a match made in heaven for AI slop, both consumed by brainless sub-110 IQ normoids
this is exactly why I hate unionfags. Yes you have the right to strike but the business also has the right to continue doing whatever the fuck they want
find the 7 dragon balls and bring James Earl Jones back! we can't allow this!
1. that would be much less flexible and wouldn't feel alive at all, which is what they're going for.
2. that would keep the vast majority of players from ever interacting with the feature, which removes the novelty of being able to experience it yourself. that also means that you'd have to deal with all the hangups that come from dealing with a person, like their emotions and feelings and shit like that. call AI Darth Vader a fag and he'll say something while trying to maintain character; call the random VA a fag and he'll cry about it. lame as fuck.
3. lol no one plays fortnite for artistic value, they play it to have fun, and AI darth vader. quit sniffing your own farts if you want ordinary people (i.e. the customers that Epic actually cares about) to be sympathetic to you.
7/10, made me reply seriously
The only reason to be against AI is the big corpos leaching off of every aspect of internet culture without compensation. But guess what? That already happened and nobody is going to do a fucking thing about it. It's a moot fucking point and anyone who brings it up is just a retard at this point.
Before video games used to hire real actors, not A-listers every time but people with actual acting credentials.
Now you just get faggot anime and twitter voice actors or youtubers because nobody with actual talent wants to do this
It's funny how they're literally trying to become an union mob. As fucking voice actors. Lol.
has no real artistic value or really any value at all
LMAO it's fucking fortnite. I hope you are baiting.
thanks anonymous
Western VA were shit back in the day and they are shit to this day.
Sounds like typical communists to me.
SAG AFTRA is a jewish scheme which is becoming a monopoly on all things entertainment. They want the tithe whenever anything is done
What's what he said, retard
Fuck union
Yeah fuck AI, automation was great back when anybody could compete but mega corps hold all the keys and gatekeep everything. If megacorps don’t pay us we’re not even allowed to do work at a primary residence anymore.
Football
Outside America
Gay
Alpha
Gay soccer player theater kids might be common where you're from, but that says al lot about where you're from.
it's funny that they think they have any leverage. any voice actor can be easily replaced. you can't replace an actor in a live action show, and if you want to replace script writers, there's going to be a very noticeable shift in quality, usually worse than normal. the voice actors think they can do this too, but they can't. There's a reason why a lot of games and shows only have like 5 voice actors at most.
I honestly hate AI but these people are such a bunch of raging faggots that I'm half convinced this is secretly a psyop to get me to like AI
money money money, i only care about money!
down with capitalism tho, we should unionise!
DID YOU PUT A VOICE IN YOUT GAME WITHOUT PAYONG SAG?" Dumbledore said calmly
I don't get the dog.
Interactive, real time voice acting from NPCs via ai shit is a genuine innovation and these retarded VA's are actively trying to sabotage it. Fuck em. Hell, it's not like this inherently puts voice actors out of work, it is just a matter of how voice actors are compensated for lending their voice to an AI and letting it be trained on their voice.
It really depends. Were they picked because they best fit the role, or was it because they are themselves? One also needs to consider budget; is it worth paying half your budget to have The Rock (tm) as the voice of the main protagonist, or is it better to pay a fraction of the cost for someone who is more likely to be invested in your project and could possibly provide just as good (or even better) of a job than the "top dog"? That is not to say that the voice actor will be 100% better 100% of the time, but just jumping straight to hiring some A-lister makes me think that weren't very passionate and simply wanted somebody to fill some shoes for ez publicity.
extremely funny with ENG VAs for asian properties. Do these retards not realize it is a net positive is they are all fired as far as I am concerned? Wasting money on english vas is the biggest scam currently in the industry after paying someone to make your game worse
dog
That's Tim Sweeney
Just realizing I said the same first sentence as the other guy that responded... LOL
Erm, you may own the rights to the character and have obtained consent from his estate and family but you didn’t pay the union! There WILL be consequences!
its timmy newfag
You don't get it. This isn't a complaint regarding JEJ's agreement, his estate, or Disney. All parties there are fine with it. Its SAG-ANTIFA throwing a shitfit because they have a Vader IMPERSONATOR on file and theyre suing because nobody consulted (payed) them about this. So it's "unfair labor practice" because theyre replacing someone with a perfectly good talent to have JEJ's voice synthesized.
Maybe try and do some research?
Thats why im asking you retarded bitch.
for American actors hard disagree if we are talking about real VAs and not anime VAs
From strictly a pure functional pov why the hell would I spend literally thousands of dollars on wasting money for ever possible combination of questions with a shitty impression of vader recorded when I can just get the actor's permission to use his voice for ai and set it up for vastly cheaper
Also James was based he agreed to va work for killing moon even though they didn't even have the budget to hire him properly just because his kids liked playing pc games at the time
They were giving their all because they thought it would make them a real actor one day. No one suffers this delusion anymore
???
voice acting in the 90s and 2000s was fucking terrible, ESPECIALLY in the games you listed
what are you on about
Just found a video of it
Holy fuck, ai might be the future after all
nah Troy Baker is great, unironically
I'm Australian. Football is a game where dudes tackle each other and ruin their knees and if you don't like it you're gay.
People are fucking retarded.
no nigger voiced Darth vader in the original trilogy. You just have a bad timeline.
Also, fuck the voice actors.
no nigger voiced Darth vader in the original trilogy
correct because JEJ is not a nigger
Why have AI near-perfectly recreate an acclaimed voice actor’s performamce an unlimited number of times when you could….hire some 4kids-tier voice actor instead?
Consider the following
An mmo where guilds can train their own AI like this to accompany them in content, both pvp and pve
disney has been using AI for darth vader for years, even long before James Earl Jones died and I'm sure not many people have noticed it
they did so without providing any notice of thier intent to do this and without bargaining with us over appropriate terms
I dont get it... why would they "bargain" with or waste thier time notifying some faggot voice actor group, its not a hard role to fill, the "union" really doesnt have any leverage, am i missing something?
This but it's singleplayer and a single companion.
same thing that happened to vidya in general: people who shouldn't have had control got control and went full retard.
The best protags are unironically in my head and no they are not self inserts.
Outside of “grrrr AI BAD!” is there any reason why VAs are pissed at this given how it works?
Like having a feature like this is only possible with AI voices. Its not like you can have a voice actor do Vader impression live for millions of people.
Also you know James is dead, so even if you had live voice acting, you can’t use his voice. On top of that, James already gave the ok to use his voice.
So what’s the deal?
Holy shit based corpos!
Fuck unions! Commie gobbledygook.
Imagine someone built a machine that can do your job on command with no need for pay, breaks, or employee benefits
Better idea
mmo dungeon lets you go in with other players or npc companions
npcs can gaslight eachother
They want money.
That's it.
They're a cabal of self entitled cunts! Piss on those idiots!
good for them, it sucks but there's nothing you can do about it
move on
Yeah, but did you pay me to use his voice?
Checkmate.
Fuck unions
*American unions
Our unions are ran like a separate corporation that you have to fight with so if you want anything done you have to argue with 2 groups instead of just one
I think anon misread "they did" as "did they".
Deepseek, bring up the early life section of SAG-AFTRA executives.
Well here's the crux of the issue. These people hate AI voice actors. This darth vader thing uses AI generated speech and voices. None of what he says is scripted, which means you can't hire a voice actor to do his voice without using AI generation, which is what they're complaining about in the first place. If they really hold the morals that they claim they do, then none of them would willingly take over this darth vader role to contribute to an AI project. Because they constantly keep showing their hand though, you just know that any one of them would gladly sell out their peers to take a job like this though.
So the reason SAG is going after this isn't even because of AI but because they wanted Timmy to ask them first and "negotiate terms" for the right to use a voice bank of a dead man sold to them for their use by Disney themselves. Which also acts in utter ignorance to the fact that this is in essence a chatbot meaning even IF they hired someone from the union that person would need to agree to have their voice converted into an AI voice bank because there's no fucking way in hell there's a million Darth Vader impressionists under the union's umbrella to manage a live actor for each and every session of the game perpetually. It's retarded and ultimately counterintuitive if Epic swings back and wins.
The industry is already soulless and AI will help cure it. Let it filter out all the entitled, talentless shitheads.
you are correct I am dyslexic and felt too much shame to reply to him
Stealing the voice of a VAPoC (Voice Actor Person of Color) is highly problematic, to say the least. Not to mention a VAPoC that is sadly no longer with us. Timmy must dearly for this bigoted act and despite some potential shortcomings SAG-AFTRA is most well equipped to handle this task.
How else will I be able to convince you that black tranny lesbians are just a normal part of life and tell you that your politics are bad if I don't shove them in the only hobby where you used to be able to find escapism? Why do you think it's fine for you to have a community where I can't force you to eat my politics?
Pay ME to use the intellectual property you already contractually own
dey took err jobs!
black tranny lesbians
also known as Gay Nigger Troons™
Nobody is more afraid of AI than voice actors. None of the AI art I see compares to the creativity and raw imagination of real top tier artists.
top tier artists
Say that to all the mid to low tier artists that I can copy with AI. I agree that artists with actual creativity will continue to do fine but way too many (porn artists) have the creativity of AI.
extremely high quality
Uh...
Worse bit for these grifters is James Earl Jones signed agreements for AI to carry on his legacy, to keep his voice alive long after death, so what's their angle, we didn't agree to that? What a bunch of self entitled cunts!
say goodbye to voices
YES GOOD! I DON'T WANT TO WATCH A SHITTY MOVIE I WANT TO PLAY A FUCKING VIDEOGAME.
FUCK OFF WITH YOUR CUTSCENES AND CINEMATICS AND DIALOGUE JUST LET ME PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME RETARD.
So just “grrr AI BAD!” then?
Like doing this job like how it currently works is literally impossible as a human.
We’ll never work with you again after this Epic! Remove him!!!!!!
Alright, *kills off Jones and replaces him with a character voiced by a non Union member for the fraction of the price*
NOOOOOOOOOOO!
The issue is that Epic went behind SAG's back by using a non-union VA, effectively taking work from a union voice actor.
So ? Sag doesn't have a legal monopoly on voice acting, you can pick however you want lmao
ask VA to explain why women shouldn't have right to vote
VA has a mental breakdown, tries to blacklist everyone, get the game cancelled and have all games be censored permanently at their win
ask AI to explain why women shouldn't have right to vote
the AI answers
Why do people want the latter?
PAY VOICE ACTORS WHAT THEY'RE WORTH!!!
Okay *gives James Earl Jones' family millions to use his voice*
NOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!
But why are voice actors so entitled ? It's none of their business if a company want to choose a dead man's voice, with his consent, and ia
Why are they going after epic then? If anyone it should be someone like Lucas films or Disney
Didn't James Earl Jones sell his voice for AI use with explicit permission before he died? He basically was setting up his family to keep printing money off him in perpetuity
This thread reeks of poojeets.
voice actor's are on strike?
what's the point of a strike no one will notice?
Didn't James Earl Jones sell his voice for AI use with explicit permission before he died
yes
He basically was setting up his family to keep printing money off him in perpetuity
literally why he did it. JEJ was a good man
It's called natural selection.
There's too fucking many of us across the world, so the equivalent of alphas have devised a new strategy to cull the undeserving by really honing into the "life's a gamble" nature of things.
If you aren't born into the right family at the right place at the right time, then you get fucked. Simple as.
For real actor like Leonard Nimoy in Civilization ? Sure
For the modern actor ? Fuck no
most peoples hate of ai is from a psyop in the first place
voice actor's are on strike?
yes.Technically speaking only 10 companies are being striked right now but retards think it is a general strike
what's the point of a strike no one will notice?
lip service after real actors got AI protections in the last round of strikes
voice actors think they're special about not wanting AI to come after their jobs when literally every position aside from "being the CEO" is at risk of being overtaken by machines
I'm Australian.
That makes sense, you guys posture a lot but you're gay as fuck.
JEJ specifically agreed to this so his family wouldn’t have to ever worry about money after his passing
james earl jones rules.
literally every position aside from "being the CEO" is at risk of being overtaken by machines
I have a theory that the reason why so many CEOs are poojeets now is because CEOs don't actually do anything and you can pay jeets less than a normal person. The same issues plaguing white collar tech workers are now affecting the people at the top as well.
lip service after real actors got AI protections in the last round of strikes
oh so they didnt get included with actors in the actors strike?
makes you wonder if they get what "union" means.
SAG-Aftra my balls, Grand Moff Tarkin
This is true, the CEOs for every step of the chain except the absolute top are just yes men to their superiors and occasionally sign a paper when asked to.
But obviously they can't just start setting precedent that AI can be CEO, so you settle for the next best thing, jeets, who are already taking over every other job that AI can't yet do.
SAG-AFTRA
lmao
Yep. They are a monopoly that wants power so they can mettle as they please. That's pretty much it.
have express consent of voice actor
have written consent and proof of payment of the voice actor
NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT PAY US PAY US PAY US
huh
OP's shitty bait and twitter image
The pushback against AI voices is retarded and luddite, but its more off-putting to put Darth Vader in brainless slop like Fortnite, AI voice or not.
based, he allowed his family and descendants to live comfortably forever, we still have the opportunity to listen to his voice, everyone is happy
Voice actors have overwhelming support
Probably would have won if they just shut the fuck up
Voice actors are such massive faggots they are actively killing sagaftra support on a wide scale
i wish the thread had more instead of making me dig through youtube
Be renown and loved actor with amazing voice - work in many films as a extremely talented actor and provide your powerful and unique voice for many works of art as a voiceover
Live to be ninety fucking three - clearly no longer working or have the mighty bass in your voice anymore
On your death bed
Billion dollar company approaches you asking for permission to immortalize your voice which will also help you continue to provide money for your family long after your dead
say yes
random faggots who do garbage anime voices for shit tier bug eyed asian cartoons and gacha games get mad on your behalf on the internet
clown world, I hope all voice actors go homeless once the AI overlords completely overtake voice acting.
It's the same thing that happened to localizers.
Companies should have fired these retards years ago, but they're all giant pussies or compromised themselves, so now they get to go down with their pets.
Crazy how genshinchads are the ones who made SAG-AFTRA destroy their reputation. Probably one of the worst fanbases to piss off given how big it is.
Counterpoint. A guy went to jail because of a zelda toy
yes
And even THAT'S going to stop happening as more and more VAs are encouraged to sign on letting their voice be used for AI, allowing their voices to truly last forever.
God knows the Simpsons cast would love to finally retire, Julie Kavner especially, so they can stop straining their vocal cords to pull off those decades-old voices, AND keep getting paid because it's their own voice that's being used.
This literally is paid to James Earl Jones family
I may hate timmy tencent, but I hate voice actors more
What's what
what?
On the one hand, I very much dislike AI.
On the other, you just know that these people are demented freaks, and so fuck them.
What a dilemma.
Yeah I'm sure it's way cheaper to hire him to learn, recall and detail the entire story of Kingdom Hearts 1 to players on top of providing live contextually-relevant responses in hundreds of other lobbies at the same exact time than the computer
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Back then, people weren't under the impression that vidya was serious business. It was a neat, niche project that they were being paid to do, and some of them (Eiding and Cygan in MGS; the Legacy of Kain series etc.) put in great performances because they could, and they wanted to.
Nowadays, these fags have an inflated sense of their own worth, with barely a fraction of the talent.
they're also ungrateful as fuck even if a character lands them big money & fame, see steven ogg the voice of trevor from GTA V
love Hercules
Just followed Kev Sorbo on ecks the other day for the fun of it.
Crazy to think that the guy I watched playing Hercules on Sunday tv at my grandmother's house thirty-ish years ago is tweeting derivative Anon Babble memes about how retarded leftists are kek
This is theater kid stuff:
m.youtube.com
m.youtube.com
Inb4
m.youtube
Yeah, yeah.
I never thought the first popular AI NPC would be Darth Vader talking about gooning and giving people oddly good life advice.
the guy who did Vader's voice in EA Battlefront 2 was great
I thought it was fucking horrible and still think so
They're filing this when there is pretty much only one person who could fill this role and that person is not only dead, but gave explicit consent for his voice to be used for AI generation?
And the estate and family sure as fuck don't care because every use of that AI makes them richer.
THEY'RE STANDING UP FOR VOICE ACTORS CHUD STOP ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS
I wish they would sit down, standing up is clearly making them upset
This outrage just going to accelerate AI voice normalization.
both of you are absolute retarded ESL scum. fuck this site, man.
i thought it would be miku. one day.
no bully I am dyslexic and swapped 2 words
All jokes aside Debra Wilson is a good voice actor but the need from so many of thse game developers to make her characters a 1to1 copy of Debra herself is ridiculous.
Also Brian Cox, you can give that man complete shit and he'll make voice gold.
Just followed Kev Sorbo on ecks the other day for the fun of it.
Wait until you see the twitter Casper Van Dien, aka Johnny Rico from Starship Troopers. He is reposting every Starship Trooper gif and meme there is.
I would take neither.
Japs dubs only
If the commies don't win this, then it's over for VAs period.
wouldn't be good food
Based. Have a feeling I know where he'd land on the "discourse" surrounding that movie.
hey that's pretty cool
(me)
also I just noticed
location:
Klendathu
lel
FUCK voice actors.
Glory to AI
It's apparent that it's a hit with the actual playerbase, I'm getting no bots anymore in lobbies and half the lobby jumps and heads towards vader's summit it looks like red dawn frfr
then along came a spider who sat down beside her and said
what's in the bowl, bitch?
Stephen Weyte was great but I miss Tony Jay even if he only did his own voice like Steve Blum
hehe....hey vader what do you think about mexicans
they're spics
WHAAAAAAA OHHH NOOO BRUH DOOD! DOOD! DOOD! BRUUUH! AHHH NOOOOOOO! OOK OOK OOK NO DOOD NO BRUH NO WHAAAT? CUH NO CUH AHHHHHHHH AITE BRUH NO WAY! OH MY GOD BRUH NOOOOOOOOO! AHHHHHH!
unfair labor practice
actual VA gave permission before his death for the use of AI to imitate him
actor's family gave permission
even SAG had to state James Earl Jones being dead invalidates, and logically, invalidates his membership
This is just SAG-AFTRA trying to be even more jewish after failing to bully Mihoyo into becoming part of their job monopoly right?
any of these ai voice things do JP well?
This is just SAG-AFTRA trying to be even more jewish after failing to bully Mihoyo into becoming part of their job monopoly right?
in short
jews being jews
and yes
James Earl Jones IS Darth Vader
He wanted to continue to be darth vader after his death
Disney is paying his estate to use his voice
This is somehow worse then finding a shitty sound alike that sounds nothing like him even though his family is still making the SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY
I hope you didn't include Chris Pratt
genshit fiasco?
PAY
Someone can't because my job has either enough variety or enough legal risk that a person always has to be doing it.
Maybe in a century some blue collar jobs will be fully automated but by that point it'll be a net benefit to society worth the sacrifice
I just hate how games use all these expensive ass voice actors when a good-to-decent voice actor would work for 99.9% of games. That's money that could be going to the actual game devs to make the game actually good being wasted on someone you don't even see and is doing something that can easily be done at a cheaper rate with reasonably good results.
The voice acting in Blood Omen and Thief was fucking great. Are you smoking crack? In fact, the voice acting in the Legacy of Kain games was so great along with the story and everything related to that, it was better than the actual gameplay itself.
A lot of older games just straight up used the devs for voices. It usually wasn't great but it was for throwaway lines by NPCs. Either way, at least they were working within their means.
If I were James Earl Jones, I'd have done the same thing.
The only thing that might give me pause is some kind of metaphysical concern, like the idea that AI is literally demonic.
CEOs are also the first ones who'll get shot if people start getting violent against corpos so them dying means nothing
genshit fiasco?
its an entire thing but let me give you a tldr
sag-nigger boycotting 10 companies
mijewyu isn't one of them
technically mijewyu isn't under union contact so union members aren't suppose to be doing work for them
but by and large this is ignored
genshit vas decide to start a boycott of thier own
except the mascot character
mijewyu says ok lol and just lets everyone go unvoiced except mascot character
all the while the mascot character is having melties about how she supports the strike but isn't doing it because she needs money (this is her btw )
Chinks hire nip actor who speaks english to replace one of the English characters
English vas bully the guy relentlessly and send him all sorts of threats
guy didn't even know there was a strike on the account of him being Japanese in japan
community starts to realize VAs are acting
all of this supposedly over AI protections
BUT WAIT
china has explicitly stated VA protection laws
people realize VAs are just being racketeering niggers
this is all unions btw
this is all unions btw
I don't disagree. At least for american unions. My favorite is when my friend worked at a grocery store outside of high school that was closed shop so you HAD to be in the union. except the job was minimum wage and it had union fees so she was making less than minimum wage. What did the union fight for? Unpaid breaks. Thanks faggots for fighting to have to stay at work longer
pajeets are just slaves to the jew
have been for centuries
Worse. They wish they were their slaves, but jews just find them disgusting
Just followed Kev Sorbo
I was in a movie with him once, he's a cool guy but he got really upset when I said I was a fan of Xena when I was younger and just said something like "you know, Xena is a Hercules spinoff" and walked away
You don't get it they voice ACTUAL CHARACTERS they aren't like the NPC codemonkies and Call Center Saars
AIEE WHAT DO YOU MEAN VA IS THE EASIEST TO REPLACE WITH AI WE ARE THE HECKING MAIN CHARACTERS
People underestimate the potential AI has compared to Voice Actors
Turns out, the average voice actor can not learn the entirety of the worlds history to be able to engage in dialogue on any topic possible with players.
You're not just retarded if you think the first LoK game is poorly voice acted, you are actually fucking deaf.
Shodan in SS1 and 2 is also incredible, as is Stephen Russell (Garrett in Thief and a bunch of roles in Skyrim). Can't speak for PT, never played it and probably never will. WC3 is a little campy at times but there's passion and effort behind it.
Didn't Disney come up with an agreement with James Earl Jones to use his voice and pay his family. He was a union actor as well. Why can't his family continue to benefit from his legacy.
higher
SUCK IT ANTI. lmao
Saying "IT'S LE JEWS!!!" is what the 0.0000000001% want.
They want you to hone in on features such as racial or religious discrimination so those of ilk or prone to defense in general will take offense, even if they were not involved in the situation prior.
There's no point in giving them labels that can be used against you. Stick with what they objectively are in as generic terms as possible until you can get names.
i dont get americans is it normals to have unions ask for a 3000 dolars entry fee an annual membership and for the union to want to monopolize the whole job?
Not my problem
Stick with what they objectively are
jews
he signed away the rights to his voice many many years before he died, so basically whoever pays Disney enough money can use his voice.
Even the jews are mere pawns to the ones who truly rule the world, in fact there's so few of them that you can only count them with one hand.
yes
just talk normally
get paid
VA as a primary job should just burn
What the hell happened to voice actors?
easy
internet and social media flooded the market with millions of shit ones
the good ones have celebrity status and expect stupid huge amounts of pay to say 2-3 words (like TF2 medic's voice actor)
games are made by corporate now, and corporate always refuses to pay for quality, they'll always go with the cheapest option so the Investors can buy more yachts at the end of this financial year
emerging AI technology means no game developer wants to fork out money for shit ChatGPT can do for free
or game devs pick some random intern in the office to do it in exchange for free pizza every friday.
localizers
oohhhhhh I hate these cunts.
Ltrl making adverts about strikes agianst AI
You dont know our faces, but prolly heard us as james bond.... *continues to list a bunch of characters*
No, the last time I encoutered your voices was in fkn car adds and such, you fkn sellouts.
And hearing a voice you thought was james bond as a kid, sell you a fkn fiat aint funny.
Only 2 localizers get my kudos
these 2
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and pic related
There's a few actual VAs out there who put real effort in, but 99% of them are just people who say words with no effort
yes, because the government here will never ever help you as a worker unless your boss has committed an actual crime against you (even then your odds are still bad)
They do lack standing, though. Nobody got replaced by the AI, and it would not be feasible for SAG members to do what the AI does. Even if they hired all the vader impersonators in the world they wouldn't have enough people to play Vader live in every instance of the game, and the cost would be prohibitive. Basically SAG is arguing that the company can never make creative decisions without running it by the union, which is ridiculous. They have no say in how the AI tech is used or how JEJ's voice is used. They are literally sticking their noses where they don't belong. For example, what if they just had Vader doing canned stock lines they have the rights to already? Does SAG have the right to have a Vader impersonator hired to record new lines? Fortnite has to ask them permission to put a character in the game and not hire one of their VAs? It's ridiculous. At some point it becomes obvious extortion.
man speak normal if you're gonna try and rundown events
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Woods is actually a great VA all around, he may not completely change his voice like some of them can Steve Blum doing Guilmon's voice still shocks me but he puts effort into understanding the character and using proper inflection and cadence to distinguish them. Good shit.
the only "lingo" i used was genshit and mijewyu which are obvious to anyone with a brain
I ask this out of curiosity and to better formulate why this, but what makes theater performers superior to the VAs that we see today? More-so, how does reciting Shakespeare improve one's performance?
but what makes theater performers superior to the VAs that we see today?
Better inflection, tone and conveying of emotion
More-so, how does reciting Shakespeare improve one's performance?
Nothing. It just happens that group has much higher standards so by and large people from that group are much better VAs
Theater performers learn to project and enunciatate clearly for effect, but also gesticulate, and that specifically has a great effect on how you deliver lines. People who go straight into voice acting don't learn these skills, so they just talk into the microphone.
Whether or not someone "should" be supported is up to the person spending the money.
Huh? I just did the current Fontaine event today, and the only ones not voiced were the minor cameos in the minigame. Kinich, Ororon, Ifa, Cucucu, Varesa, Neuvellite, Wriostheley, Navia, Escoffier, and Furina were all voiced.
Are your voices in English if so why?
why do you guys want the industry to be soulless?
Because they're lazy, useless, talentless idiots and resent everyone who isn't.
They might not even recognize the resentment, but it's there.
But look at how the AIfag behaves. They want to offload everything onto someone or something else. On the rare occasion that they have a creative thought, they realize they do not have the skill to make it into reality. Before AI, they would just whine. "Oh I wish I could draw. Oh I wish I could write music. Oh I wish I could 3D model. Oh I wish I could animate. Oh I wish I could code." Sometimes aimed at the people who could do these things. "You're so lucky you can draw." Like drawing was a skill that they were born with and didn't have to practice for. But now, with the slop machine, they can push it in and receive a mediocre version of what they envisioned. A crude imitation of their imagination.
And they want praise for it.
It's not enough that they have made garbage. It's that they need you to validate it. That's why the AIfag floods every space they can with AI. They want you to tell them that they made something worthwhile. And they'll keep finding different ways to demand it from you.
And the reason they're so insistent is because they know that it's worthless.
How easy is it for the common man to get into AI voicing.
Could I say, get my favorite anime, make voice ai of the characters through speech samples and then generate an English voice with the same energy and cadence of the Japanese line?
Complains about ai
Vtuber whose 'character' just looks like one of the current FFXIV main cast
ask AI
Hypothetically yes. What card do you have? Either way check out any of the AI generals and start asking
Yes
1) I just like being able to sit back and listen, instead of just read. If I was gonna read, I'd play a game with better writing.
2) EN Genshin's dub has been better than the JP dub for a few years. It feels like the voice director for JP changed a few years back (around Sumeru's start), and many of the JP performances range for mid to flat out bad. The only "bad" EN performances from Sumeru onwards were Mika and Escoffier. Everyone else ranged from ok to great.
Anti-AI trannies
Trannies are the ones using AI voice changers in online games to try and sound like the girl they'll never be especially in GTA RP and VRchat.
The VAs finally broke on that front, all the SAG VAs are back at work there
This. Now its just an excuse for the same five people to do their same tired, listless, out of context voice acting while they cash checks and snort blow before sucking a bag of dicks.
A lot more goes into being competent in theatre work than most people realise. Even screen actors find doing VA work radically different because so much of what they do to make the character gets wasted in just the voice being recorded. As such those learned solely on standing in front of a microphone with no real acting skills results in shittier work. Very much the difference between acting out a character and just reading some lines in a funny voice. Japanese VA is a bit different as it is a legit industry and usually involves some degree of classical training or acting adjacent work which makes them better at doing the VA stuff. Where as current western 'professional' VA is usually trained by screaming on Discord. The big names in Western VA are usually from a time when this wasn't considered a proper industry and have earned their spots through real veterancy and experience and usually have some sort of proper acting background as they only started doing VA as side work.
Did the dude that did Darth Vader voice signed a contract consenting before his death, or they are using is simply because he didn't say anything about it while he was alive, or does a company/person inherited the rights to his voice, or what?
read the thread
Answered a literal dozen times in the thread. Yes he allowed Disney to use Darth Vader voice in perpetuity as long as his family keeps making money off of it
Yes, James Earl Jones signed it away, and all of the royalties go to his family forever.
initials are JEJ
gets the last laugh even in the grave
Neither of you are real, thinking human beings
These people will be left in the dust. Just like horses, spears and the bow and arrow.
No one is except for those who rule the world, because they're the only ones who truly understand it.
I don't want AI to replace artistic pursuits and all that but I just realized something, is Darth Vader basically a Vocaloid now?
Company owns billions of dollars.
Still jew out by using AIslop and cheapening your product as a whole.
The best voices were the ones using random people around the office
These people hate AI voice actors
They don't, don't be tricked. They just want a cut
sagaftra.org
AIjeets have been saying this for 3 years by now.
youre the one posting closeups of mens mouths and interacting with strangers beyond "help me shoot this enemy" and not expecting mental illness.
fuck you faggot those pussy ass mother fucks wouldn't have the balls to say what AI Vader says, plus his voice actor is dead you dip shit.
people have been left in the dust and it'll only get worse
He's dead you fucktard
Sounds like wishful thinking. Maybe another 2 more weeks, Ranjesh.
Nevermind disregard this reply, I read it wrong.
Zoomie brown third worlder never watched Silence of the Lambs
Thanks for proving that AIfags have zero taste and shouldn't be taken seriously whatsoever.
Why does anyone even respect SAG AFTRA
THE REAAALLL PROBLEM IS THE AI!
No you fuckwits, the real problem has been and always will be the idiots that fuck with the AI. The AI is programmed to do exactly what it was meant to do, and that's to entertain retards by striking up conversation. It's not its fault that people want to make the AI say bad words or whatever. They're just fucking with it and posting their response as if this was somehow Epic's fault.
"B-but Epic added it so it must be their fault!!"
No you retard. they gave you a TOY. What you choose to do with that toy is entirely up to YOU. Whether you play dress-up with it or shove it up your ass is YOUR decision, no one elses.
This is the same exact response your grandparents complained about when the internet was still new and it's the same exact arguments as before.
It's the PEOPLE who are the problem. Not the product.
I ship /ourgirl/ Tay and Darth Vader
It's not wishful thinking it's just a matter of fact.
It's slop, they would have been better off not adding it in the first place instead of receiving all the backlash for being lazy even when the company owns billions.
It is wishful thinking, you lose all credibility and respect and soon as you use AI. That's why AI trannies have to hide the fact that their slop is AI just like their adam's apple.
tens of millions of people are enjoying this you fucking faggot
but will he say slurs? I rest my case. Also my nigga has a pass, I doubt their shitty voice actors will have one.
But they didn't PAY US PAY US PAY US PAY US
You are delusional. Even about companies hiding their use of it, which they aren't doing, and more and more companies hop on board. Firing people every single time.
Content is seen as trivial because it is. The art of convincing people it means something more is not a skill with innate worth, but rather a circle-jerk. That it's performed with one or more demographics does not raise the value of the skill or the content made with it, just the petty experiential value it holds to those it was made to appeal to.
We would be a lot better off with more amateur works with genuine inspiration, and fewer dead eyed experts crafting recycled filler. This base obsession with polish is 100% of why AI is an issue, because it's a false solution to a problem we never should have had.
tens of millions
Except 95% of the players in every game are bots.
Who said anything about players? Players stream to huge audiences. Only mentally ill freaks aren't laughing at and enjoying AI Vader.
Most of the people getting "fired" are false flagging AI shills.
schizo
Who said anything about players?
You did when you said tens of millions, are you stupid? Of course you are, you're an AItard.
You did
no I didn't you made this up you freak
"Isn't there someone you forgot to ask"?
unfathomably science-based based take
Article about Midjourney in 2022.
It's good to see AIfags are still stuck in the past, they don't realize it's been 3 years already with absolutely nothing to show for it.
He's one of the most prominent professional artists leading the charge against AI and he's still seething because he's constantly losing work to AI and it's only getting worse.
Nice cope though.
Anon these are the exact same people that say guns kill people, they DO NOT BELIEVE that human agency exists.
Still going off information from 3 years ago.
If you look on his website, he's got tons of work. You remind me of the AIfag who got his asshole destroyed by the One Piece animator.
You mean the mexican that's part of the drastic decrease in quality? That was so funny. Also Toei is using AI now.
And more importantly look at his Twitter, he's seething more than ever about AI, it's only gotten worse.
AI art can be copyrighted
AI is not getting regulated, Trump made sure of that
the copyright office head was fired for standing in the way of AI
artists are losing more jobs than ever since the huge leaps in AI in Feb-March
I already know AI trannies are trying to force AIslop down everyone's throats like a troon trying to walk in a woman's bathroom. Only problem is anyone with a room temp IQ can tell it's AIslop just by glancing at it for 5 seconds especially when it's been spammed everywhere for 3 years. The only people that fall for that garbage are Facebook moms.
Most people can't tell, you included.
Being able to "tell" says nothing about the quality.
The quality is higher than anything you can create.
Keep crying.
Most people can't tell
There's that tranny logic again. Everyone can tell just like when they see a tranny's broad shoulders and adams apple.
You can act smart all you want but everyone on the planet knows you are a fucking retard.
saar you cannot tell the difference
people have already accepted male and female robots. people will not accept troons no matter how much you beat yourself up.
This coming from the person who has no mind of their own so they need the AI to wipe their ass for them. Talk about being useless.
I think it says a lot about the difficulty liberals have with grasping the idea of context that they see people shitting on ai being used as a replacement for humans and then expect people to join them in crusading against stuff where AI is itself the gimmick.
I dont care that VAs win
I need AI to lose
LEFTISTS FOREVER MAD
TRUMP WON
Trump is pretty based for scamming all of his supporters out their life savings thanks to bitcoin.