Atlyss dev finally communicates outside of their paywall about what the fuck they're doing with their game

Too late now this happening at all was a massive red flag

ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS BE HONEST AND OPEN

This is the worst way to intake knowledge

Sounds perfect for me

If you read between the lines all of that was intentional and he will do it again. But later.

Then why continue engaging with it? This guy is clearly melting down right now
The update has changed to two paragraphs, now. He's edited it a dozen times
You're not helping the game or the guy making it
This isn't even a tightknit group of friends, who can share the guilt, this guy is alone

He edited them out completely.

He's developed a Anon Babble hate following that will never go away for literally no reason

Well he also made 5 million fucking dollars from a Anon Babble love following for literally no reason, so fuck him. I wouldn't have known about the game if people weren't so aggressively shilling it from Day 1 here. "omg look at the ass you can make on this character GOAT"

openly admits to not giving a shit about the game, just here for the drama

I hate Anon Babble sometimes

It's a good thing we had screenshots. It looks like he's edited his statements to significantly trim them down.

Idk bro maybe because they made the announcement like 4 hours ago and finally engaged with the community that bought their game?

private beta branch for a while

He will form qa testing group *wink-wink*, you just have to buy the biggest patreon sub to be considered

Also what is he apologizing for? I never trust people that say sorry, but not say the reason they are sorry for. He does know what the problem was right?

Who cares? He hates engaging with the community, we already knew that. He deleted all the discussion on his discord months ago. If people cared about that, why didn't they babble about it then? Because this is all just meaningless ill will generated from an initial (false) outrage.
What do you think is in the patreon branches that you're missing out on? The narrative is that he's got discord paypiggies playing 4 updates in advance, but what's ACTUALLY in that thing? Is it worth playing for the average person, you think? You tell me, since you're mad about not having it.

the private beta testers are gonna be trannies who inevitably ruin the game

If people cared about that, why didn't they babble about it then?

Because we're only finding out about his super secret paywall yes-man club now you troglodyte.

Keep reading you nigger, I already addressed that

Furries sure become some extremist chud-like bullies when their porn gets as little as prodded at
Reminds me of that one little e621 incident where they removed porn depicting underaged humans and the website turned into a civil war

I saw this game on a stream it looked fun.

it's an alright little game but still a long way from completion, and the dev will not conduct himself professionally.

Who cares?

apparently people do, when you have a bunch of threads hitting the bump limit.

hurr durr everyone is a shitposter

mhm

The narrative is that he's got discord paypiggies playing 4 updates in advance

Not that anon, but as far as I knew we just learned about the existence of the patreon branch last night because someone on bluesky said the sliders were already fixed on it compared to the public branch. Your post is literally the first time I've seen someone bring up the idea that it's a specific number of updates ahead, let alone that specific figure being 4. Where did YOU get that idea?

Epic, scathing reply to the first two words of a much larger post that explains why I think that

Why I think that

I don't care what you think though.

From my understanding people are mad about character customization changes and the dev fucked it up with the response.

It was hyperbole, anon. How could it even be "4 updates ahead" when an update is defined by being released? It was meant to make you think about how "advanced" the update is. He's been posting about stuff in it for awhile, I'm pretty sure. The patreon people are just bug testing the shit in his progress updates.

who fucking cares? god, you losers will have meltdowns about anything. none of you even play that furfag garbage; you're just rubbernecking at a potential controversy like a bunch of gossiping women.

right, you'd rather engage with the 12 word green text that tells you that you should be angry about it

What happened?

That's good to hear though I feel like the controversy was blown out of proportion. Given how far away a full release is I'm still going to wait until it's out to play it again, and I am still waiting for Kiseff to add a spell or skill that makes your shortstack furry avatar pump up and swell with magic until they explode (non lethally).

Then why have a public version if not for bug testing? Or why not give the public version a last dev build, so it can be tested more thoroughly?

Furries infighting about a big butt fetishbait game getting nerfed

Boy I know nothing about this game other than some furfaggot constanly spamming its shitty banner for weeks on here for now as its OP, but my interest is now piqued

That and Kiseff had a "private" beta but it was actually for patreons only that's why he took both down and enclosed himself on his discord again. The issue now is that he is going to do it again

The public version is for people to play, anon
It's all functional. Your save won't get corrupted by something the developer fucked up last week
I think that's fairly reasonable, considering how many people were melting down over their characters appearance changing slightly
Imagine these same people if their save files got corrupted

It was hyperbole

I'm pretty sure

It was meant to make you think

So you made something up about something you don't actually know about to get a reaction from people? You realize that kind of behavior is exactly what led to this mess. The lack of communication and discrepancy between available information is literally the issue people had, be it about the sliders or the beta branches.

People find out that in public beta test max sliders were nerfed by ~20% and reshaped for worse. Shitstorm ensues, on top of that very bad communication from Kiseff, screenshots out of context, and finally, apparently patreons have version where sliders are fixed, but no one except patreons on discord didn't know about it. I assume "unstable" in mp4rel is patreon version.

Even now, after all apologies and acknowledgement he keeps editing his posts, which just makes me distrustful. Apologies and acknowledgement were very vague too

There is nothing to play in the public beta test version, are you confusing it with the live version?

Anon
This isn't worth engaging with
I literally called it a "narrative", meaning in think it's not true
Please just fucking read man. I'm not gonna debate this

ZAM.
Still this seems retarded I thought this guy was a furry to begin with, did steam threaten to take him down if he didn't tone down the shortstacks?

He probably thinks he can reach a wider audience if he can pass off the playable characters as scrimblos instead of fetish fuel

Nothing to do with steam, that's where miscommunication and vagueness on his part, he says he is sorry and he will fix it, but he never said whether it was an accident, or on purpose and he changed his mind because of outrage, or even if he is properly acknowledging his mistakes.
It's literally "sorry teehee", he said he will make them like they were before, but then edited it out completely, to say he is playing with models and shapes, and then he edited that post again completely deleting any info other than "I'm sorry"

don't care about gay fag sliders

don't care about gay fetish shit

just wanna kill stuff, explore, new skills and gear

people like me are the ones truly suffering

His own words are that it's an artistic choice
I still do not believe the prude narrative, because he also removed the slider limiters in that update, meaning you can't hide the upper percentile of curves

The gunts crack me up.

People like (You) are infinitesimal, akin to (((critical consumers)))

artistic choice

I think that one was the post out of context, where he supposedly was sarcastic towards a shitposter

I like the gameplay but. if the characters worth anthropomorphic shortstacks I wouldn't have made my purchase.

Artistic choice

you don't even have to see what the player does to their character

imagine a paint company deciding to no longer make the color blue because it's their "artistic choice"

He reduced SOME of the sizes by like 15%
That's more like changing your formula for blue paint to be slightly lighter
And you can't hide what characters people have made
You used to be able to, but he removed that option alongside the slightly nerfed sliders

artistic choice, more like autistic choice, he should just let me be as goofy as I want with character creation he's not going for some super serious plot anyway, it's not like my goofy OC is going to break kayfabe.

slightly

We get it dude, you are his discord groupie

Link the post and look me in the eye and say "slightly" isn't applicable
He reworked all of the models. It's not like they've all gone down across the board.

Any censorship nerf to a sexy shortstack is a personal attack against me and the dev deserves to die for this

what is the point
of having sliders
if you're going to fucking REDUCE THE MAXIMUM OR MINIMUM
IT'S VISUALS, IF THE PLAYER WANTS THEIR SHIT TO CLIP THEN LET THEM

censorship nerf

stupid culture war faggot
play the game or fuck off

Literally censorship

just to point out this sort of change would make him conservative.

He didn't just go into the code and reduce a couple numbers
The shape and size change is due to a rework of the models themselves
Kiseff is an artist
I'm not defending his choices, I'm putting them into context
He wants his game to look good by his standards. He's too artbrained and autistic to leave in clipping and ugly shit that players might be okay with

unstable

I could agree with that, but what most saw is publictest, me included, and he didn't even bother fix it if it was a problem.
That's just poon, he fucking murdered imps. I understand that he might fix that in the future, and I have hopes, but so far he fucked up, and then made vague shitty statements that didn't gain my support at all, well they did, but it's like roller coaster, he says something, then edits it, how should I trust such a person to not completely change models when he can't even keep his 10 sentences for an hour without meddling with them?

and I want to be proven wrong, hence I haven't left a bad review yet and haven't tried refunding the game by mentioning all that patreon shady shit, but so far he didn't give us much from this.

boobs slightly smaller

belly barely smaller arguably just better distributed

thighs just better distributed.

ass deleted

wtf he went overboard

if you don't like how kiseff is operating, you should leave a negative review.

All those who use the term "culture war" are already part of it

culture war

stupid culture war faggot
play the game or fuck off

Honestly if I even had 5 minutes of texting personally with him, I'm sure all my doubts would dissipate or they would become way worse, depending on his answers, but he won't give a community those 5 minutes.

shape and size change

and do you have proof of that? I keep seeing people mentioning it, that it wasn't on purpose, but I have yet to see the proof, like posts of him saying that.

Just look at the shapes of the models side by side
In the OP post he talks about it, too

It was all bullshit deliberately being spread by somebody who knew the actual context

So what info was incorrect and what was the "actual context"?

He made other races taller so no it wasnt "sliders are smaller because of a bug" but actual changes made by him

The bug was real, but exclusive to public test and mainly affected the belly
Not the same thing as the other complaints

Hi Kiseff lying again I see

Anon this doesn't make any fucking sense
Why were they bigger in the NEWER patreon test?

I spoke to him personally.

Yes yes it was a bug that you magically found and fixed wow so quickly you undid that "bug" as soon as they pointed it

reminder that furfags are literally mentally ill and love to support censorship
also the screenshot the the dev literally mentions in the OP is fake and didn't happen, nothing to see here chuds!
Furries even ruin furry games, actually depressing

No, what I meant is whether it was intended or accident, whether he knew about it being a problem on public test or not, he didn't say anything at all about it, all of this are assumptions

He didn't revert the tits and ass changes though, did he?
So what's the point of changing one thing but leaving the others if they're all part of the same censorship effort?

"Censorship" aside, shouldn't the whole deal with his Patreon patrons getting updates vs those who bought the game on Steam getting no updates be the real matter to be discussed?

this has nothing to do with with furfags and everything to do with the sorts of virtue signalling yesmen that will leap to the defense of anything like this
fucking same song and dance as skullgirls

This is the real issue but anytime anyone brings it up, it gets washed out by the fake argument being pinned on anyone trying to talk about it.

Yes. That's why they want you to focus on the sliders. They need that overreacting gooner strawman to serve as a distraction.

Literally not happening
I would know, because I'm the dedicated shill for these threads now, apparently
I already said why I didn't think it was a big deal way back here

What do you think is in the patreon branches that you're missing out on? The narrative is that he's got discord paypiggies playing 4 updates in advance, but what's ACTUALLY in that thing? Is it worth playing for the average person, you think? You tell me, since you're mad about not having it.

What's the frequency of updates on Patreon vs Steam?

You are part of the problem.

To someone who just has the steam version, it appears that Kiseff is doing... nothing at all. No communication, no previews of upcoming features, nada.

Last (non-beta) update on Steam was in December 24, no idea about the Patreon but I suppose the updates there are happening regularly

Prior to this, steam had the opt in beta, and patreon had a more frequently updated unstable version code which usually leaked about fifteen seconds after being posted.
Now neither will have much beyond the base game for a bit due to him moving temporarily to a limited QA group unless that code leaks as well

If we had the same version as paypigs none of it would've happened lel

how many more days will we discuss this non story? nothing is changing

Is that legal?

What about contextual updates? Like I added this and that

days

It's only been a few hours since we got a response

That is a good question Steam support may have the answer to

You are free to not discuss it, anon.

He's much more active on his discord (not the patreon exclusive channels, either). He's been sharing what he's been working on all along there.

Until people stop making excuses and defending it.
The fastest way for a topic to die is to not have two opposing sides fighting over it.

He hates engaging with the community

He's much more active on his discord

so which is it?

Engaging meaning talking to people directly. He hates talking to them objectively, which is why his updates are in a channel you can't talk in. Which is every channel on his discord not behind a paywall

He doesn't engage in any meaningful way, he just posts updates, to which you can just respond thumbs up and that's it, because of trannies always posting their shitty flags.
He makes like 4-5 posts per month, I don't know how it compares to his private server in which he cries about meanies though.

His discord is for announcements. It's called Kissoft Underground, and NOT the Atlyss server. That's a community server and he's not even in it, let alone participating in it.

If you mean just "here's what I'm working on" posts those were made to his discord, not sure if those will be the same frequency with the QA group.
Hopefully he either stays with the old way or opens the QA group up more, because my biggest worry is that it gets filled entirely with yes-men when a dedicated QA group should ideally have more critical people in it

Yeah I meant those, what I mean is his private channel, does he give out more context on his updates or not, but judging by your answer, you don't know.

yes-men

It's bound to happen, even if someone isn't a complete yes-men, when you are surrounded by such people, it's very likely you will act like them too.
It's also harder to get critical people, because as critical as they are, they will assume that it's only for yes-men paypigs and safespacetrannies, and won't even try.

I assume "unstable" in mp4rel is patreon version.

Correct, unstable was unlocked via a code that wasn't publicly distributed. By now access to the branch has been removed.

It made e621 fairly useless, and wiped out entire archives of artists that didn't have any serious postings anywhere else.
It also sprung out of nowhere (fairly) so there was no time to make backups or save what you wanted.

What's the issue?

patreons get the beta/unpolished new stuff

Steam gets the new stuff when it's finished/polished

I only bought the game, I'm fine with patreons having months of new but unfinished stuff, I can wait

It has been half a year since the game launched on early access and the only updates it got were some hot fixes in December. It has gotten literally none of those updates since it went public, and with the removal of the beta branches you don't have access to the unfinished stuff even if you wanted/paid for it. It's gone.

Then I am not happy
If a new features takes this long to develop, then sure, but I have a hard time believing a single feature has been developed since December

At this point, I'm sure that itll be fine in his hands, however, I will proceed to shit and question until he makes an actual proper statement, saying what was wrong and what will be fixed, so I could grudgepost if he doesn't proceed with that statement later on.
Obviously I'm still upset about the whole secret beta thingy.

Did he update the stance on the skill nerf? Cause the sliders are back but your limited skills might not be.

As far as I know he is redoing them completely, along with armor defense so it isn't as apparent whether it's good or bad change. With sliders it's easy to see her fucked up hard.