Game finally has a strong father figure and a male role model

game finally has a strong father figure and a male role model

this cause many anons to seething and shit in pant in anger

What happen, isn't this what you wanted?

Anon Babble is full of escapism fags that have family issues.
Theyre literally Maelle

70% of Anon Babble user base is brown. Traditional western values are just unappealing to them. Especially ones that are about the importance of grief and family.
You need to recall that in the third world, they let their own family corpses rot on the roads and nobody cares to even burry them.

brainlets, mostly. that description fits me to a tee but i still chose verso because it's the right decision and i'm not maelle. if i was in her shoes myself IRL i'd 100% choose to live in a fake reality too. but i'm not, so it's easy to make the correct choice that was the most healthy for real living people.

He literally did everything he could wrong.

This is just Giupetto from Lies of P

Lies of P DLC out this year
And Nightreign

”indie” game

on ps5

hundreds of names in the credits

massive shill campaign

shill campaign centered around trying to change the definition of jrpg

sony

the game is an industry plant by Sony to undermine the Japanese market they abandoned years ago.

regardless of your take on his actions, he did nothing wrong with his Anon Babbleshion. the man is a living balenciaga AI meme right down to having a random exotic cat spirit animal.

The majority of the people side with Renoir, the ones that side with Maelle are the same anime tranny faggots that latch onto manchild tendencies, so it's no wonder they would rather remain on a dream. It shows their lack of masculinity.

Your stance on Renoir is simply a test on your relationship with your family and also your age and emotional development.
Simple as.

Spam / Bot threads. You are not discussing the game with other posters. sage

hundred of pooland QA monkeys

wife is od'ing

struggle with her and finally take her stash

daughter is trying to do the same

get rid of it permanently and help her rehabilitate

So awful.

What happen, isn't this what you wanted?

The only people mad about him are trannies who's father have disowned them.

t. Brown person

Both Renoir were based. I wish we could save them both.

Nah, brown people actually have some strong family values.
Maelleposting and hating on Renoir goes up during American hours, because they just hate their families.

Soo the entirety of Anon Babble?

He was literally right. He's the most correct character in the game.

i don't see anyone seething about this man

the world outside the painting is fake too bro

This is a bot post.
You can tell because it has no relevance to the topic and could be posted in any thread.

Schizo.

Because he's quoting no one, it's a spambot thread. sage

"Escapism" did not factor into my final decision. This nonsensical view is only sustainable if you distill the entirety of the story into Act 2's climax and what little left of the game remains in Act 3. At the expense of everything else. Which most of you have a proclivity towards due to lack of object permanence.

japslop invented old white men

You haven't seen Maelle apologist calling him toxic and how he doesn't understand his daughter and how he shouldn't have "wasted his time trying to get Aline out if the canvas"

Nigger youre giving yourself schizophrenia because people are talking about a game.
You're an NPC breaking down, practically repeating the exact same pattern of mental degradation as the other schizos here while thinking your clever when your actually a retard that fails at actually gauging patterns.

tfw I chose Maelle's ending because I thought if I chose Verso there legitimately wouldnt be a post-game

How can they expect me to think about the story and right and wrong when there are still bosses I haven't beat

I'm not horribly disfigured so it's easy for me to tell her how to life

You faggots ever listen what you are saying?

Or you can just see both his and Verso's point, realize Alicia (who is not actually Maelle anymore) is being a selfish cunt and put an end to everything.
The story throws you a huge curveball and asks you to work with new information, and said information simply tells you Alicia is the wrong choice.
Then you have her ending which is as much of a downer as it gets.

I dressed like him on the left for my lecture and people started making fun of me. Fuck this shit, how is that outfit not cool as fuck

horribly disfigured

Shame it was never about that and only about her crushing guilt for being responsible for Verso's death so she'd rather stay in a world she can gaslight herself into thinking he's alive.

I JUST WANTED TO LIVE OUR LIFETIMES TOGETHER

sums up her whole ending philosophy.

After 100%ing the postgame content it's clear that the Maelle ending is the good one, the "bad ending" vibe in Maelle's epliogue cinematic is a red herring to make you believe you made the wrong choice.

These posts are not organic.

it's all about the fit and how the person wears it. you probably just looked like a dork wearing your dad's old suit or something. not just anyone has the gravitas to pull off the pierce brosnan look.

Renoir is fine. It's Painted Verso who is the gigafaggot.

reeee everything I don't agree with is AI

You have to be 18+ to post here

These threads wouldn't exist without pantshitting posts about how one ending is "more good" than the other or nonnies making thinly veiled complaints about their own parents

After 100%ing the postgame

dungeon that tells you she can try if she actually bothered

dungeons that show verso's whole fake family just what's to die

What part of it told you so?

it is not selfish to genocide an entire world for your own desire

it is not selfish to force a cripple to live a life she don't want

Nigger kys, it will help you to wake up from your own escapist fantasy

You are organic and semi-old, you should know better.

perill

who gives as hit how many people made the game as long as it's good?

midwit unironically think he's fighting the good fight

there

completly

perill

trough

Breathe, everything is gonna be okay

Owlbro you might be right about the others, but my post is legit.

a warning is a fight

Shame it was never about that

Sure thing, tard

It's been mentioned many times, but the ending is a litmus test. If you choose the bad endings, chances are overwhelmingly likely that you're a zoomer still rebelling against parents or an adult whose dad left and never came back (aka brown).

it is not selfish to torture the fake brother you supposedly love

it is not selfish to enslave his soul for the same of your fantasy life

it is not selfish to play god

it is not selfish to slowly kill yourself while destroying your family in the process

Yep, a paragon of virtue I tell you.

I'm a weeb and I side with Renoir though, I might have sided with Maelle if the painted people were anime. Western paintings are Soulless so it was an easy decision to kill them

genocide

two humans

Come on, show a single part of BOTH ending versions where she talks about her body.
She mentions it once as an excuse for her verso obsession, never else.
Even as she "dies" she never says she doesn't want to go back to her body.

I dressed like him on the left for my lecture and people started making fun of me.

Painted Verso used to believe that despite everything, all the Lumerians deserved to live until he got mindbroken by his girlfriend and other expeditioners torturing him because they thought he was a traitor
Verso's soul also believes that everything inside the canvas is "just as alive" as the outside world, so either he believes that just his soul is enough to make the world real, or the outside world is just as "fake" (painting inside a painting)

I hate both of my parents and have called them by their first names like Clea does since I was a young child and I picked the Verso ending and Renoir was right.

used to believe

And he stopped because it's killing his family.

that everything inside the canvas is "just as alive" as the outside world,

He's a kid, the same kid that painted his plushie as the strongest being in the world and who also wants to stop because he's miserable.

tells you Alicia is the wrong choice.

It told me no such thing. It told me that Maelle is capable of making her own decisions and her will is her own. And that there are consequences for remaining in the canvas, as there are also consequences for leaving it. It is at my individual discretion what I choose to prioritize and sacrifice.

My decision factored in the illogical nature of invalidating my entire journey to save the denizens of Lumiere merely to resolve family drama. The patriarch of which being the progenitor of the Gommage and the reason for my journey from the start. It simply was never going to happen: muh grief vs muh escapism notwithstanding.

You talk like a retarded redditor

I accept your concession, midwit.

I'm not the guy you were talking to

Both endings suck and are only changing things for Verso and Maellicia. The end result was decided at the end of act 2. Maelle can't restore Lumiere in any meaningful way, she doesn't have the skill and the chroma will be too impure to return anyone else, also she cant restore people she didn't know as far as we can tell. Lumiere is already dead, so you're not deciding whether or not to save the Lumiere, you're deciding whether Maelle lives a life as a god with human shaped play things in a canvas or lives a life as a miserable disfigured burn victim outside of the canvas. For the final destruction of the canvas, Maelle's ending just kicks the can down the road. Verso doomed the whole canvas by being a suicidal lying piece of shit.

I-I know it's time for my performance, j-just let me finish this post, Alicia - I mean M-Maelle...

let Maelle paint the lumierien back and spend a bit of time with them.

kill painted Verso since he is asking for it

eventually tell Maelle to leave, and hand over the canvas to some other painter familly or something like that

only allow Maelle and Alicia to occasionally come back to it, like a few hours a week.

In the canvas it's still equivalent to Maelle visiting Gustave & co once a year or so

Easy way to solve everyone's problem.

Maelle and aline* goddamn I HATE THESE NAMES

girl named Alicia

goes into a land full of wonders

Oh, I see...

NIGGA HEIL HITLER

Woah, we got about 30 more years in the Clair Obscur universe before that.

implying this idealized outcome is in any way possible

Not playing your parry slop bro

brown "people"

values

Jesus christ I didn't realize v was the childless and fatherless board

every board is the childless and fatherless board

It's Final Fantasy Tactics Advance all over again on this board

Marche was right tho

If E33 had brown rabbit waifus I'd side with Maelle.

Cringe

NOOOO, the women in Dessendre's family are too retarded and can't have self-control. You HAVE to destroy the Canvas because it's the only right way-

they let their own family corpses rot on the roads and nobody cares to even burry them.

very dramatic retard-kun

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It's going to be broken and completely unplayable at the release, isn't it?

Have you guys ever seen someone dressed like this in the streets or at work?

you certainly would 110 years ago

It's not part of the culture war, you retard. It's just a FotM game that's overrated in every way.

I still see enough rich boomers dressed like that when it's not hot out when they're going out to dinner or church. It's just a tailored well-made suit with an overcoat.

but my post is legit.

Legit bullshit.

how does time flow in the real world compared to the canvas?
renoir said he spent 67 years below the monolith, maelle grew up there 16 years.

Painted Renoir mogs real Renoir

mogs his outfit

cool scar

doesn't say anything, just casually murders your entire team and your main character

is only saving his family so he did literally nothing wrong

paint fills her fake eye

She will never outrun reality.

Literally, Alicia wouldn't even kill verso

It was a thing before the WW2. Boomers think it's lame while dressing up as hippies and getting high and hate their parents

It's diluted enough that the manor hasn't finished rebuilding from the fire by the time Alicia hops in, which would be 50/51 years after the fracture in the canvas. But not too diluted because Clea is obviously frustrated at her parents' lack of progress and has to intervene herself in order to tip the balance.
It's not stated directly in game, but I'm personally going to assume a ratio close to one day in the real world equalling one year in the canvas. The issue is that when you're in the canvas you still experience the flow of time from the canvas' frame of reference, so Renoir experiences those 67 years even if it's just a couple months in the real world.

I'LL SAVE YOU MY IMMORTAL FAMILY

wife goes into fantasy land

fucks a perfect copy of you for 67 years

what a cuck

this reminds me of a really old Anon Babble infographic about how you're not an anime character

do the painters have to intricately design tits and vags and cocks and balls of everyone they make

like a few hours a week

if time in the painting moves a million times faster than time outside then very quickly her little playthings are either going to die or she makes them immortal and they go insane
also an hour could translated into like a year for all we know- 67 years was like what, a week?

he doesn't real /par/

There's no canon time dillatation ratio so it's up to interpretation.

her little playthings are either going to die

That's the point yes.

You forgot the movie adaptation announced before the game even launched, and I'm not sure why you keep tying it to Snoy, it's multiplat. If anything Microsoft have more to do with the game than sony due to it being day one game pass and it being featured last year during an xbox showcase.

anime moeblob is soulless escapist slop aping old disney, badly.

Anon american whites have some of the worst family dynamics out there, browns actually care about family

Prove it

Alicia and Aline. Maelle is, for all intents and purposes, dead from the end of act 2. What you have moving forward is Alicia with a fixed face and throat (which was foreshadowed in the real world segment at the start of act 3) who carries with her Maelle's memories.

I think it was kind of a dick move to make an elaborate painted monstrosity inspired by his dead son that characterizes him as a liar and then make his artificial painted son with all of his dead son's memories see it so he realized just how poorly Renoir saw him.

Yeah but she decides to call herself Maelle, and as long as she's in the canvas she's a god so who am I to contradict her.

her little playthings are either going to die

To be fair, we don't know this to be a fact. Every death we know has never been of natural causes. Even Sciel's husband, who didn't die from being gommaged, died in an accident.

This doesn't solve that Verso's soul doesn't wanna paint anymore.

And what is that boy going to do? He will paint.

And what is that boy going to do

Nothing, which would probably lead to the destruction of the painting and itself. Honestly that's a good end. It's an affront to the afterlife that painters can squirrel away fragments of their souls in paintings like a fucking lich without the benefits.

sasuga rajeesh patel, 200 rupee bonas for yu saar

american Whites evict their children when they turn 18 or whenever there's an inconvenience. Only Whites that actually love their family are meds.

Verso ending only sucks if you think it's fine to cope in a fake reality instead of the family coming together and dealing with the trauma of a son and brother's death in a human way.

I know you're mainly shitposting but the whole retirement home thing was a huge culture shock to me.

is only saving his family so he did literally nothing wrong

Saving everyone in lumiere too unlike the expedition mogs.

Redheaded fencer who wants to stay in a fake reality to avoid her real life ostracizing

Hmmm

She's ostracized in the fake reality too.

Maellefags are children OP

He murdered millions

Then again being bullied for white hair isn't quite as bad as having half your face melted off

Nah more like a few hundred
Like 10 thousand if you count all the previous gommages

She was still a redhead when she told Verso she fucked off to the expeditions because outside of Gustave and Emma she felt ostracized though.

There's a few hundred expeditioner corpses at the fallen batllefield alone. High thousands at minimum left.

Fast and Furious

I'm obviously calling her a Ritz ripoff nigga

Every Lumierian that died on an expedition can be counted in his death count because he caused the fracture and the gommage they wanted to stop.. And we see literal mountains of corpses on the continent.
It's also 67 years of gommaging.

It's probably like 5 years = 1 day

He murdered millions

of illegals. I'm pretty sure in America that's a good thing.

How can they be illegals when the owner of the canvas created them.

Aline isn't the owner of the canvas.

Verso didn't create the humans, Aline did

A dead man has no ownership.
His ownership transferred when he died.

Reminds them of their actual dads who said turn off the computer and get a job.

That's not how that shit works though. That's why you have wills and testaments.

real verso likes the lumerians btw
they have his soul despite being painted by aline

Stop, invincible son.

strong father figure

inferior to his wife

needed to be saved by her

married into her family

wealth was built off her abilities

will destroy his son's painting because he can't control his wife

LOL

Even if you don't have a will you still lose ownership after you die. It just usually goes to the nearest living relative.
Considering the canvas is in her house, one has to assume she and Renoir has ownership over it.

If I jerked off your dead corpse and put the semen into an aboriginal woman and the kid born from it went on to kill all white people would you love that kid?

real verso likes the lumerians btw

It's both ways, actually. Verso's soul likes the people of Lumiere and likes all creatures and it, being a fraction of Verso's soul, is close enough to the real thing. Likewise painted Verso is, as Renoir called it, Aline's finest work, which means he functions every bit as the real Verso would, right down to sacrificing himself (and unfortunately condemning the painting) to save his family.

they have his soul despite being painted by aline

There is nothing in the game to back this up.

Not enough to keep painting the second someone offers him an out.

Considering the canvas is in her house

It's in Renoir's house. The manor belongs to the Dessendre family not the Dessendre-[insert Aline's maiden name] family.

There is nothing in the game to back this up.

Destroying Verso's soul destroys the canvas. meaning everything in it was linked to his soul.

Nobody gives a fuck about Nightrein and Geppetto was a polar opposite of Renoir in terms of personality, he willfully deluded himself into thinking he can bring his son back, raped an entire town because of it, turned Carlo's best friend into a mecha and nearly killed a being that's literally his son without his memories.
Although the parallels between LoP and E33 are amusing.

How do you know that Renoir was the Dessendre before marriage? How do you know the house didn't change name after the marriage.

But in any case that is irrelevant. Since they are married they share assets.

That does not mean they have his soul. That just means they die because the supporting foundations on the house they were squatting in got demolished.

Neither argument (that lumierens possess Verso's soul or that they don't) are supported by the game, the only thing known for sure is that the fragment of his soul is what's keeping the canvas functional.

E33 is a mediocre jrpg hyped to hell because jrpgs are dead.

There is nothing in the game to back this up.

I think kid Verso says it in the Flying Manor
Pretty sure everything made with the chroma inside the painting has a piece of his soul

How do you know that Renoir was the Dessendre before marriage?

Because Clea calls Alicia to go to Renoir's atelier. Not Aline's atelier, nor the family atelier either, and it's the only one in the entire mansion.

I wish people like you wouldn't make posts like this without a screenshot of it being said. I'm not even saying you're wrong, it's just annoying because it adds nothing. People that don't wanna believe you won't, people that do wanna believe you will, and people on the fence won't be moved. What's the point?

Considering that Renoir himself says that it was Aline that taught him to paint. It is very unlikely she doesn't have a place where she paints.

Because it's not true. He's misremembering the kid verso in the flying manor having a personal opinion that everything in the painting is just as alive as the people outside of it, not that they all have his soul.

It could encourage someone less lazy to go through the kids dialogue.

Considering that Renoir himself says that it was Aline that taught him to paint

He taught him how to paint without being a potrait junkie. He flat out tells you she taught him "how to fly without soaring too close to the sun". Renoir could already paint before her, but would get lost in the escapism.

The point stands that Aline was more experienced. She would obviously have her space to paint.

Yes, but not an aterlier in the manor. We know this because you eventually get access to every room. That it's called his while the others (going by places where you actually have easels where something is being painted) have to do their painting in the garden upstairs or in their rooms shows that ownership of the manor is Renoirs.

As I said before. They are married. So they share assets.

The point anon is trying to make is not about quality but rather authenticity. It's not an "indie" game in the literal sense. It's a game clearly backed by several big-money organizations.

Then Clea would have called it "our parents atelier".

Well they can have individual rooms. And still own the manor together.
The children also have their rooms yet they don't own them.

Was it ever pushed as an indie game by anyone? It's a small company with good funding, I haven't seen people disputing it being called AA.

at the expense of your brothers tortured soul

fag

Not me.
I choose the dude.

Clea and Renoir will pull her out and spank her eventually. She'll move on someday, anon.

>they have his soul despite being painted by aline

There is nothing in the game to back this up.

I think Anon was referring to Kid Verso saying everything within the canvas is as real as outside, "even [Aline's] creations"

It's less they "have his soul", more "they have his soul's blessing to exist"

I'm not calling any of the things you're saying into question. I'm saying the mere fact that the big grand painting workshop in the house is Renoir's means that he is the master of the manor.

She says to Verso during the ending that she can live inside the canvas, while outside she can merely exist. This, to me, is a clear reference to her broken body.

retards really think that the worst african shithole is equal to a random town in sout america or SEA just because both fall under the definition of third world

You're missing the point.

Renoir is an obsessive man, shown time and time again between his Painted avatar and his actions in Act 3.

It makes sense for his more talented wife to paint wherever while he toils away in a dedicated workshop.

She has the grace to give him space to do his thing, something he refused to give her when she was grieving and trying to work through her feelings by creating a "what if" scenario through her work.

That's literally the conclusion I came to and pointed out in . That said, outright says "they have his soul"

but most browns from latin america are catholic, hence they embrace western conservative values.

Has she ever considered praying to sigmar?

just let them grieve bro

most browns from latin america are catholic

how can they be catholic if only White people have souls

This game was just Ashes if Ariandel but a full game.

The logic is simple
Then after WW2 a shit ton of suburbs were erected that are great for having a nuclear family but are shit for having extended family in one place (Americans have a culture of 1 person or couple to a room, 2 if they are both kids).
The lack of space leads to a culture of pushing kids moving out and getting their own places because there is no room.
The kids go and live their own separate lives in homes that again can only contain a nuclear family which becomes a problem when the parents get to old to take care of themselves and the kids don't have the money to upkeep both their properties and their parent's nor to they have the resources for a caretaker.
And so they sell off their parents houses and use the funds plus the parents retirement funds to get them in retirement homes of varying quality.

However this all went to shit after the 08 collapse because a bunch of big companies bought up all the houses and so Americans are learning how to navigate having more people to a smaller space again.

Brb I'm dipping into my VR world where I get to process my emotions, see you for dinner in 12 hours

NOOOOO YOUR EYES ARE BLEEDING PAIIIINT

I'm being facetious, but the main conflict is Renoir not trusting his family to handle their emotions, leading to these standoffs. The 67 year war between him and Aline is rooted in him not trusting her to come up for air before she drowns - and there's enough in the narrative to justify that fear, and also paint him as overly protective. Especially when it then comes to Maelle v Verso repeating the same argument, and Maelle saying in no uncertain terms that she intends to stay in the painting until she dies.

Painted Renoir is a tragic figure
Real Renoir is just an asshole. I don't care what his motivation is, his threat to burn the cavas is on par with literally every jrpg villain who threatens to destroy the world because of their own bullshit.

a reasonable post acknowledging that the game is nuanced and intentionally left up to your interpretation

What are you some kind of faggot? You're not even gonna say one ending is the good one?

The Conquistadores bred the Catholicism into them along with a fraction of a soul.

That's mormonism. You're talking about mormonism.

because of their own bullshit.

Because of the safety of his family. People doing terrible things for the wellbeing of their family can be compelling.

The game stops caring about the canvas as a world and you should also.

It's not necessarily Verso's soul, it could also be Aline's, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter.
Their reality is not just the canvas itself, they have their own meaningful existence, understanding and experience, they relate to each other and have an understanding of their own world. From a philosophical standpoint they are real, no matter if their world was painted or "natural".

It doesn’t.
Maelle keeps bringing up the other people in the canvas even in her final duel with Verso.

And THAT SAME BOY still chose to end it because he was essentially Atlas holding up the sky.
Only Atlas wasn't an innocent child

She brings up the party once, that's not an appeal to the people of the painting, its an appeal to the party as traveling companions and friends.

I read the logic, but it doesn't really make sense to me.
Where I grew up it also follows the logic of "1 person or couple to a room, 2 if they are both kids" and yet we don't go "you're 18 now here's the door" nor did we establish a culture of that being the norm.
If the kid wants to leave, the parents let them but let them know they can always call on family if things get rough. Then as the years go by, it's just our culture to go "you two raised me up when I was young and week, now it's my turn to take care of you now that you're old and feeble".

The kids go and live their own separate lives in homes that again can only contain a nuclear family which becomes a problem when the parents get to old to take care of themselves

See, this is the part where you lose me.
If we're going with your logic of "family has kid. kid grows old. kid leaves nest. grown up kid starts family of his own" then the logic of that would dictate that when the parents are too old to take care of themselves their children's children will have already moved out to start families of their own. The elderly can move in after renovating the room of the kids who moved out.

Dress for the job you want not the one you have.

Because they don’t really talk for that long.
She also brings them up to her father.
And every relationship quest is about the emotions and feelings of people in the canvas.

If literally a single Dessendre wasn't a shithead none of this shit would've happened.

If Aline didn't decide to fuck off and die in the painting Verso's painting would've just been left alone. If she didn't blame Alicia then Alicia wouldn't've been mindbroken.

If Renoir had supported his family through their grief instead of destructively projecting his own then Aline would've wanted to live in a painting. Alicia wouldn't've been mindbroken. Clea wouldn't've closed herself off. He could've entered the painting and convinced Aline to come back to her family without waging war and destroying everything.

If Alicia had realised that she wasn't really responsible for Verso's death and that her family still cared about her despite being fucking terrible at expressing it then maybe she would've been able to handle real life. She could've just repaired the painting and then rejoined and repaired the relationships with her family.

If Clea wasn't such a bitch she could've decided not to pour fuel on the fire. Could've decided not to bully and retraumatize her sister. Could've given half a shit and helped even a modicum. The intention is to show Clea's way of handling grief was to close herself off and become a cunt, but that isn't an excuse for being a cunt.

And also it looked like Verso was just chilling in that fire waiting to die in that one cutscene. I choose to believe that wasn't just Alicia's nightmare and Verso was just a dumbass who thought he could eat fire or some shit.

Not to be that guy who responds to a (You), but this made me laugh way too hard not to give a response.

But seriously, I love these threads because after a while people ignore the hyperbole about good v bad endings, and then give have really fucking cool discussions. Like when someone pointed out Alicia's letter was begging for Maelle to find a third route, down to it being signed off as "a life to dream" - it recontextualised the whole Reacher scene for me. And someone else noticed Verso eyeing a grave during the Gustave funeral scene that can be taken as that being Julie's grave.

I'll keep posting balanced takes until these threads die out - other people's interpretations and observations are like crack to me, and I refuse to devolve to the usual Anon Babble bluster of "I'm right and if you disagree you're a cuck"

If Renoir had supported his family through their grief instead of destructively projecting his own then Aline would've wanted to live in a painting.

For all we know Aline dove in as soon as she found out Verso died. The timeline isn't that specific anon.

If Alicia had realised that she wasn't really responsible for Verso's death

But she was. Whatever her actions were they were the thing that writers needed to set their house on fire.

I know what you mean, I got a lot out of my playthrough and every additional little detail makes me smile. Great game. Now get back to bad faith arguments. Verso committed genocide and everyone in Lumiere is mindcontrolled by Alicia.

This. I would've sided with Maelle if she calls Verso her onii-chan even once.

Palicia only wanted to die after Verso fumbles the letter and Aline gets kicked out because at that point there's no third option from her POV

Verso killed his sister

renoir's journal suggests that aline was basically mindbroken and stopped talking to anyone

she walks her path and i walk mine. i don't exist to her. none of us do.

That's not how responsibility works. She was tricked into doing something that lead to Verso's death. It very obviously wasn't her intent and likely didn't involve anything willfully dangerous. According to what is presented in the narrative the responsibility for Verso's death is on the 'Writers', not on Alicia.

That’s because Rowling is a retarded writer that doesn’t think about what she writes.

writer of the only single movie franchise that's actually watchable

shes retawded because bio women are the only women

cope sweetie

It's the exact opposite. No one doubts that the paintings in Harry Potter aren't alive because Rowling thought enough about it to add it in the lore that the paintings aren't alive. She took a hard stance rather than e33's "well, this npc says they are and this npc says they aren't" leave it up to your interpretation nonsense.

Verso was right because I uninstalled dwarf fortress and that's basically the same thing

But he GASLIT his own soul.

You would know this if you played the game.

Well this isn't harry potter. But anyways anon, as a thought exercise, what quality do real people have that, let's say Lune, lacks? Which qualities disqualify her from being a person?

She didn’t write the movies.
And when she did they were a huge flop.

what quality do real people have that, let's say Lune, lacks? Which qualities disqualify her from being a person?

Death permanence.

Here's this completely unrelated work that also has living paintings

Harry Potter a children's book written by a woman who currently spends her *entire* time posting about trannies. Your point is couldn't be more divorced from the discussion if it had a podcast seething about stepdads.

Truth

Hogwarts didn't always have bathrooms. Before adopting Muggle plumbing methods in the eighteenth century, witches and wizards simply relieved themselves wherever they stood, and vanished the evidence.

Is on the same level as

Sunset found her...

true literary genius

alicia/maelle can literally paint an infinite number of canvases where she isn't disfigured at any time she wants. she's a painter. verso's last words to her in the correct ending are:

"you have this incredible gift to paint. you'll never have to endure a life you don't want."

even clea casually reminds her to paint a new throat on as she goes into the verso-canvas and alicia is the worst painter in the family, so it's trivial to do. this anon is correct in saying it was never about the disfigurement at all because that's the easiest of alicia's problems to fix in the painted world(s).

To be clear, your argument is that Lune is not a person because if her physical body expires, it can be revived?

He's not wrong tho. White Americans hate their families more than they hate their worst enemies

"Alicia, I'm so happy you found a way out of your grief, but come on. You know this isn't real. How about we go home and you come and visit your friends once we've sorted things out?"

"Okay fiiiiiine"

Its heavily emphasized Alicia would never agree to that. Shes already too addicted to the canvas to ever leave willingly, just like Aline. Putting the blame on Renior's ultimatum is a ridiculous misinterpretation.

Anon, the argument was "the paintings are alive because magic". Harry Potter is relevant because it too is magic and yet paintings are not alive at all.

it's kind of a plot hole, honestly. painting-people seem to be an amalgamation of their painter's memories/feelings about a person or inspiration. i can't think of a good reason why alicia couldn't just pop open a new canvas the day after the ending and repaint lune/sciel/gustav/whoever from memory, the way aline made close fascimiles of the whole family from memory. nothing we're shown says that painting people requires a piece of a real person to reproduce.

The church has ruled that american browns have souls 500 years ago anon

family issues

the dad literally loves her the most and will pamper her and somehow she still think she is unloved.
literally all of her issues were made by her.

lmao imagine calling Rowling a genius while citing the movies she didn’t even write. The only thing she contributed to Fantastic Beasts was making sure it tanked harder than her Twitter career. You can try to cape for the wizard toilet lady all you want, but even she couldn’t figure out if her paintings were sentient or just farts with a face.

Maelletards say dumb shit like "you need the chroma to make them" even though Aline made painted Verso to be very much like the real deal that Renoir calls him her finest work, and she managed to do that without "the same chroma" on account of the real Verso not being made of chroma in the first place.

Because alicia is a dogshit painter.

But why does it matter? The way things are in Harry Potter has zero impact on how things are in Clair Obscur.
It’s not like Harry Potter establish objective rules about magic that every writer has to follow from now on.

LITERALLY the entire point of the game is dealing with death.
the end of the game is literally do you get stuck in a circle of resentment and escapism or grown up and learn to move on

A UK children's book that included living paintings as a background detail is relevant to this French video game

Why didn't Alicia simply so super saiyan level 4 to defeat Renoir? It's within the wider canon of nerdcore.

The game tells you multiple times that Painted Verso is not the same Verso.
He is not simply Verso resurrected in a canvas. He is a new person.

Why didn't Alicia simply so super saiyan level 4 to defeat Renoir

she didnt have the master wand.

But why does it matter?

Because it establishes that "it's magic" is not a reason that the things in the painting are real people, which means someone would need to reason out their argument beyond just two words.
The anons that talk about the Lumierans having hopes, dreams and ambitions make a more compelling argument to believe that they're alive than just going "it's magic, ain't gotta explain shit".

No no no you see its not escapism because the painted people are real and its all real so its not escaping ok I'm not coping you are!!!
-maellefags

The only argument that is needed is that the game clearly treats the painted people as alive so they are.

he anons that talk about the Lumierans having hopes,

the argument the maelle enders pick never makes sense because all the humans are dead anyway. its just gestrals who the story makes clear are not the same when rezz'd. there are no lumerians anyway at the end.

Going by the story

But here's the thing: The story was written, not painted

growing up means to become a mass murderer

If they made use of storyboards during development, it's both.

game clearly treats the painted people as alive so they are.

You mean the opposite right? That they arent alive? The game makes it clear the painted are just pictures. an imaginary world as real to a child as it is to us but ultimately isnt.

The humans gets brought back in Maelle’s ending.
And Verso is responsible for their deaths in the first place.
His actions doesn’t become morale because he killed everyone that would object to it.

The game makes it clear that you are mentally retarded.

t. man currently living in an illusion

The only argument that is needed is that the game clearly treats the painted people as alive so they are.

The game treats them as both.
That's why we have Verso's soul going "well I believe the things in the painting are as real as the things outside the canvas" while going "even if she thinks otherwise" one sentence later.

That's like, Clea's opinion and she is a massive cunt

nothing in your screenshot contradicts them being real people retard

reminder that the Lumierans came when Aline decided to use Verso's Minecraft server to grief.

Putting the blame on Renior's ultimatum is a ridiculous misinterpretation.

Did we play the same game?

Whole party expresses how they deserve to exist

"You speak truth and it changes nothing"

There was always room for compromise, Renoir's refusal to entertain any scenario where Aline and Alicia could exist alongside the canvas was is why the whole game happened in the first place, let alone the endings.

That being said, there's enough within the narrative to justify his stance. Maelle could have offered compromise first, if she was willing to do so - but she didn't, and then lied to him about coming home.

The humans gets brought back in Maelle’s ending.

bro theyre real, they just casually get rezzed like nothing with no trauma, or reaction.

that definitely means theyre alive like humans outside the canvas

Renoir says the same too.

its not real verso, its a memory

its not a real human, its a memory

Anon: uhhhh that doesnt mean they arent people!

ESL retard plz.

Clea

It is well known that she is an establish cunt.

Clea is the only one that doesn’t think they are people.
Literally everyone else in the game does.
And the story simply doesn’t work if you don’t think they are. Why should anyone care at all about what happens in the story if the characters in it doesn’t matter.
Why should anyone care about Verso and what he wants?

Calling someone not the real verso is not the same as calling them not a real human.

yes it is anon.

its not a real human, its a memory

its a memory

its a memory

ahhh that means its a real human

Like idk how you cant grasp that?

Why should anyone care about Verso and what he wants?

His canvas his rules. And I ain't talking about the painted Verso, I'm talking about the soul one. Long before you retards grabbed onto Verso's act of reaching out to him as "gaslighting" soul Verso acknowledged that the painted one is doing what needs to be done.
Landlord says all you squatters get evicted.

bro theyre real, they just casually get rezzed like nothing with no trauma, or reaction.

that definitely means theyre alive like humans outside the canvas

No argument, nice concession.

Verso is dead. His wants doesn’t matter anymore.

Renoir's refusal to entertain any scenario where Aline and Alicia could exist alongside the canvas was is why the whole game happened in the first place

No, Aline's refusal to ever leave is what started it. And Alicia has already taken the same path by the start of Act 3. She is NEVER going to leave the game makes this very clear. So Renoir's options are abandon his family or make a tough decision for them. The Canvas is like being a fentanyl drip for Alicia and Aline. They are consumed entirely by it and it clouds their judgement exactly like a drug addict.

You have father issues or something if you think Renoir is the one being unreasonable.

Verso is dead. His wants doesn’t matter anymore.

kek Maelle enders will turn around and say that we need to respect the dead lumerians though.

Why should anyone care at all about what happens in the story if the characters in it doesn’t matter.

There's your problem. You need something to matter for you to care when human history points to caring for those that the world deems insignificant to be one of the more noble aspirations.

She is NEVER going to leave the game makes this very clear

That’s what Verso thinks.
Doesn’t make it true.

The people of Lumiere were all killed by Renoir after the party beats the paintress.
What they want doesn't matter anymore either.

Renoir just taught his racism to his daughter

The painted people? They aren't real 'people', they don't even pay taxes!

Lune and Sciel are alive.

clea is a psycho
there's not a single philosopher in history who would argue that the lumerians aren't real beings

SeeAlso the people of Lumiere can be brought back. Verso can’t.

wearing a jacket but not putting your arms through the sleeves is a mad powerful move

fpbp

Imagine letting painted people the right to vote in french elections. I dont think so!

not a single philosopher in history who would argue that the lumerians aren't real beings

kek what? No philosopher in history would say a human can create life with a magic paint brush either.
Sciel accepts her fate while lune doesnt really but yeah its only the two of them. Who died a few scenes earlier anyway.

It's for those days where the weather is indecisively retarded on whether it wants to be a hot or a cold day. Though given that in this case it's a coat and a jacket, it's more that the weather can't decide if it wants to be cool or cold I guess.

Sciel accepts her fate

No she doesn’t. She can’t do anything about it. You can’t extrapolate that to that she is ok being murdered.

Do you ever think Renoir gets insecure that Aline made a cool version of himself to live with?

Everyone argues about if they are real or not but I don't see how it matters. Their "lives" have zero value if they can just be repainted forever, doesn't even have to be the same Canvas.

in the THIRD WORLD

Nigger I live in the third world and most families still bury their dead with their family members instead of cremating, despite how expensive it is.

You have no idea what the fuck you're even talking about.

Do you ever think Renoir gets insecure that Aline made a cool version of himself to live with?

I entertain the idea gustave is a nicer version of a young renoir or an actual copy of what aline thought of renoir when he was younger.

doesn't even have to be the same Canvas.

They wouldn’t be the same people. Just like Painted Verso isn’t the same as Real Verso.

You can’t extrapolate that to that she is ok being murdered.

She jumped into the nullspace where painted creations get gommaged without making any attempt to go back.

No, Aline's refusal to ever leave is what started it

That's the whole point of the narrative, anon.

You need to leave

No I'm fine actually

I don't believe you

Fuck you

Literally everything happened because of their inability to resolve this appropriately, leading to 67 years of seething.

So Renoir's options are abandon his family or make a tough decision for them

He always had the option to convince them. Instead he'd rather do the macho dad knows best routine, just like how Painted Renoir would rather kill expeditioners than go to Lumiere as say "bee tee dubs your equivalent of satan is under the monolith, try killing him instead of the paintress"

You have father issues or something if you think Renoir is the one being unreasonable.

Did you not read my spoiler tags? EVERYONE here is being unreasonable. At no point does anyone ever consider de-escalating the situation, the closest we get is Maelle lying about how she totally 100% means to leave the canvas before she dies, and Renoir pretending to believe her as a way of saying goodbye.

Renoir's an ass, but so are Alicia and Aline. The tragedy is how broken and dysfunctional this pantheon of gods are, and how the painted world is stuck in their crossfire.

but the CANVAS is DRUGS, like fentanyl or some shit

Alright, I'm out. If your takeaway from "I spent as much time growing up inside this fake world as I did outside" is "but drugs tho", you don't have the capacity to discuss the emotional drivers behind these characters.

She was going to die anyway why does it matter?

Painted Verso is, probably because of the fragment of Verso's soul inside the canvas, almost exactly like Real Verso. He only has one changed memory: surviving the flames.

She thought Renoir was a socially awkward one armed bandit?

if i die, so be it

that's her low hp quote
she's given up on life a long time ago

When Pierre died, she swam out into an ocean to die.

How do you not get this parallel of her walking into the borders of the canvas?

She was going to die anyway why does it matter?

It matters because trying to do something self preserving like that would be a very clear indicator of her not ok with being murdered.

No shit but painted Verso is the same as repainted Verso, same for Sciel/Lune all of Lumiere. That's the whole point, the "real" people are DIFFERENT.

there's not a single philosopher in history who would argue that the lumerians aren't real beings

jumping into this argument late but i disagree. we only see lumierans on-screen the same as any video game. almost every video game character thinks they're alive and real and has emotions displayed during their game. we don't know the limits of their sapience and have no way to test it. i find it more than passing strange just how oblivious they all were to living in a world with surreal/impossible geography and paranormal events. there are whole personal-sailcraft and continent-sized chunks of rock suspended in air above lumier and it's as if nobody seems to even notice. even sailing to 'the continent' from lumiere should be impossible as it's blocked by a mountain range and a massive waterfall, but they effortlessly sail in just the same because they don't follow cause/effect or object permanence rules like real people and just never notice the incongruences.

Yet she is obviously happy about being saved from her own suicide.
She doesn’t want to die.

He always had the option to convince them. Instead he'd rather do the macho dad knows best routine, just like how Painted Renoir would rather kill expeditioners than go to Lumiere as say "bee tee dubs your equivalent of satan is under the monolith, try killing him instead of the paintress"

They tried that. Instead, the expeditioners turned on them and tortured Verso, forcing him to kill his love interest.

socially awkward

more like kind but obsessed with duty towards others

struggles to talk with women and express his own emotions

dashingly charming and handsome though

talented at engineering and such

protects others at his own expense

i mean to me it was a pretty easy younger and less cynical renoir in alines eyes.

havent played the game, dont especially care to, just here to say that this dude has an oddly large head.

"I spent as much time growing up inside this fake world as I did outside"

They have that sensation of spending that time. 67 years for Renoir, 16 years for Maelle. But they clearly have not spent that time in the canvas. It's all their perception of time, which is clearly warped because there is another world where time is running differently. 16 and 67 years were both illusions. Drug-induced delusions, almost.

She is dead anyway.

When did Renoir regrow the arm?

That applies to the character model in general in this game.

And she never tried milling herself again. And she is very clearly happy about surviving the attempt as you can see during her conversation with Esquie.

He tried like *once*, and gave up after that. Julie was expedition 00 like him, when the Verso betrayal happened it was still in the midst of "the FUCK is happening, also why is this different version of Clea trying to kill us"

Instead he spent 67 years of "nah living in this mansion is fine, Painted Alicia is totally cool with this whole deal"

speaking of this, painters should basically be global illuminati in the in-game real-world. they have the ability to dilate time whenever they want. you could go into a painting for a month and come out with 100 years of experience in whatever skills or principles you wanted. they're like elves. how would normal people even compete with that kind of experience and technical expertise?

You lack literacy if you don't see the parallels between drug addiction and the canvas.

why would it be a 1:1? Gustave could have gotten into a fight with a nevron or something idk.

Doubt it. Gustave exhibits no addictive personality traits, and we know from Renoir himself that he was a canvas junkie.

Look the time she was gommage at the end of Act 2. She accepted death. This is no different here.

I meant a renoir when aline first met him and before she taught him to paint. Thats what i was aiming for.

Who says the writers written worlds dont dilate time even more, maybe the painters are n00bs

To add to this, we know that Aline is the one that saved him from his portrait addiction, so it doesn't make sense that "Gustave is young Renoir" wouldn't have that addiction with the need to be saved.

After her first suicide attempt, she found meaning in life through her students and the rest of Lumiere.

When faced with the end of her world, with no hope of bringing anyone back and watching as the lights are about to go off, she chooses to swim out to face Verso and die on her own terms.

It's very obviously a parallel.

Julie wasn't in 00. Julie in fact mentions the demise of Expedition Zero in her journal, a previous expedition whose only survivors were Renoir and Verso.
And by the time he kills Julie it doesn't take long for Verso to be tired of the family and that life.

You lack literacy if you don't see the parallels between utilitarianism and the canvas vs Dessendres

She says it herself.

we only see lumierans on-screen the same as any video game

That's a bad faith argument. By that logic, the painters aren't any more alive than their creations because >gaym

they don't follow cause/effect or object permanence rules like real people

Yeah, not like they remember all the guys that get gommaged every year, or their dead husbands...

People actually chose the Maelle ending? Holy shit you fucks need to grow up.

Once again. She can do nothing about it.

She taught him how to paint without getting lost in the escapism. He even describes it as not flying too close to the sun.
He already knew how to paint but was an addict like Aline is in this game.

How come painters and paintresses have empty, black voids where their faces should be?

the painters aren't any more alive than their creations because >gaym

Why do you think december 33rd is on the tombstone?

drug addiction is the same as escaping reality to live a life you enjoy with people you love

Tell you what anon, go try heroin for a few months and come back here to tell me how it's totally the same.

the second i leave papa will erase the canvas

It was already over for her

I genuinely don’t see the parallel.
There was no imminent death when she tried her suicide.
In the ending it wouldn’t matter whether she was inside the death zone or not she was still going to die.

seems the most likely.

writer sits down at magic typewriter

"I am perpetually better than the painters at everything they do."

it simply becomes true instantly and updates in perpetuity.

Really? Damn, I'm totally mixed up on where Julie was in the timeline.

I'd previously thought she was Expedition 58 given the other journals in Old Lumiere, but others in a previous thread were gung-ho about her being an OG expeditioner.

Do we know for certain when she and Verso were a thing? Because he was still with Renoir at the time, as well as pro-"everyone needs to live" instead of "fuck everything save maman"

Sounds like Renoir is the problem here.

They are there in the painting for too long, and their form become fractured.

The language used by the game to describe using canvas worlds is the language for drug addiction. Are you trying to say it's just a coincidence, and not a deliberate choice of terminology?

drug addiction is the same as escaping reality to live a life you enjoy with people you love

Only from Maelle's perspective. Just like a drug addict she is only deluding herself while her family watches her slowly die.

Obviously its not like a real world heroin addiction you autistic faggot its magic heroin but the result is the same.

Not really. Renoir turned normal when he wanted.

Imo its their form if they dont actually paint themselves to look a certain way

Or a drug addict is coping and blaming their Dad. Totally never happens!

this old man who's apparently immune to the gommage comes out and starts murdering everyone

kino scene

I don’t think that the things Renoir says about how they learnt to control their powers applies that well to the drug metaphor.

I don't know which Expedition she's from because I haven't collected all the journals and put it all together, but she's not from Zero 100%.
This is from her journal.

Sure it does, tons of drugs are fine in moderation and will kill you in excess

In fairness it is subjective / adding interpretation to a wordless scene, but given the depth of actions and non-actions the writers gave here, it's hard to ignore it as the culmination of her arc.

Empathises with Gustave about his suicide attempt

Learns Esquie is the one who saved her from her suicide attempt

Verso helps her overcome her fear of swimming

Seeing her world about to end, as Verso stands at the centre of a cosmic ocean, she swims out to see him one last time and dies

At least to me, it's a more fulfilling end than just "and Sciel waddled out into the expanse just to get gommaged too"

Are you sure you're not pathetic looking like ? Or it could bee Zoomers and Alphas having shit taste.

Sure but you still shouldn’t do heroine on the regular just because you think you can “handle it”.
If someone said that about drugs you’d assume they were an addict, but obviously no one sees Renoir that way.

I'm an idiot. Thanks for the correction, back to the lore pits to figure out where she fits into the chronology of this whole shebang

Quote 5 posts of anons saying they want father figures in games

Because they're painters, not calenderologists.

Saying that the culmination of her arc is simply her accepting death feels to me just like saying that she might as well have died during her suicide attempt. That she simply didn’t accept death enough the first time.

Her expedition has to be kinda early because of the formating ("search and rescue" after her name, no expedition number) but I'm not sure which is it. I think it's 60 something or 50 something.

Would be closer to alcohol then

Between the title being "Search and Rescue" and the line you highlighted I'd say its likely she was around the same time as expedition 0 but wasn't part it and rather was tasked with SAR shortly after it had failed.

I disagree. It's a good counter to the parallel with Lune, whose stubbornness suits her sitting and pouting as the world ends.

Sciel has always been more of a cae sera girl, trying to find balance and keep cool heads even when Verso lies/betrays them for the umpteenth time. When it comes to the Verso ending, you can read it as either her continuing that cool head "I will greet death as a friend" vibe, or "this broke me, I'm returning to my old impulses". Both work within the writing of her character and backstory.

Expedition 0 was said to be "Search and Rescue" too. Verso says something like:

"The first expeditions weren't about the paintress. We were going back to find our lost loved ones"

So the numbered expeditions can be Search and Rescue (and were) as well.

Sciel seem like "I accept and agree what needs to be done, but I won't forgive you."

What could he have done different

"search and rescue" after her name, no expedition number

Good catch, that locks her in between 99 and 85.

The game confirmed that the early expeditions were search and rescue, and the devs recently posted about how nobody knew about the gommage and the paintress until year 85, where people noticed some famous elderly couple get gommaged on a park bench.

There's an ambiguous period where the expeditions were suspended, so we don't know for certain where they were in that in-between. But I'd hazard to guess at one of the earlier ones, like 99 or 97.

Read discussions online

Its all clearly women talking

They all picked the Maelle ending

Of course they want to play house and control people

Housing and controlling people is wrong.

That's why I'm going to control this disabled girl and force her to be housed with the family that hates her

Ah that makes more sense. Still not having an actual number kinda makes her seem like part of some auxiliary force to the expeditions.
Either way I think the line from her about expedition zero implies Verso has some explanation about what happened to them meaning he is still claiming to be a part of it so it must have been pretty shortly after.

she wasn't part of an expedition at all. she was part of "search and rescue" which was the period right after the fracture between expedition zero and expedition ~85(?) where the journals begin when lumierans were still branching out to figure out the state of their world. expedition zero was a separate group led by renoir/verso, featured simon (and potentially even original painted-clea) and they all got btfo by real-clea at the barrier. i would imagine zero left on their expedition almost immediately after the Fracture because renoir and verso knew the paintress was aline and they were trying to rescue/help her.

What if Gustave pretty much looks like a young Renoir

Same shit happened with that Wandavision show (she mind controls and entire town and creates fake children). Women found that empowering and not psychotic at all.

Journal 84 sounded to me like there had been no attempt to reach the continent since expedition 0.

Asmongold got a seizure while playing E33 lol
twitch.tv/videos/2464695570?t=5h11m33s

Yes, probably couldn't have been too long or him saying he was from that expedition but not old (if it was a while in their past) wouldn't make sense.

I don't know how exactly Verso and Renoir lost the plot so bad with Lumiere tho. They went back and helped construct the Dome against Nevrons (presumably this has the hand of Aline in it, since it helps her and it's a very supernatural thing), they left from Lumiere into other expeditions, they were telling people from Lumiere the paintress is not the enemy, but somehow, come present day, everyone is adamantly sure that the Paintress is off in the distance killing everyone.

kinda makes her seem like part of some auxiliary force to the expeditions

she was. there were other groups that travelled other than the expeditions, like the one pierre (sciel's husband) was part of when he died in an accident. in my mind, what demarcates expeditions from other crews is their explicit goal of reaching the paintress. zero was trying because it was renoir and verso and they knew aline. everyone else was trying because they became aware of the gommage and were trying to stop it by reaching the giant obvious pillar and giant woman on the horizon.

Wait what cause the paint people to think its all the painter fault?

Wait what cause the paint people to think its all the painter fault?

that everytime the giant horizon-sized woman stood up and changed the number people got gommaged. it's intuitive cause and effect because they don't know about renoir under the pillar and aline is retarded and arbitrarily decided to use a number instead of words, which we know is possible because maelle writes "Papa Va'Ten" on it later in the game.

its a memory

notice how you have to make things up that were never said in game to try to prove your point

veryone is adamantly sure that the Paintress is off in the distance killing everyone.

im assuming real renoir and verso tricked them eventually.

up that were never said in game to try to prove your point

see my picture retard.
Memories is quite literally the word they use in game retard.

something being based off of a memory is not the same thing as something being a memory. learn english before you call other people ESL

Well Verso gets depressed and kinda fucks off for a while though I don't understand the full timeline. After a decade or so it doesn't matter what they told people in the past (if those people are even still around) the Lumierians are still seeing the paintress change big number and people gommage.
And obviously after a certain monolith year Renoir can't go back cause hes too old and would raise suspicion but I'm not exactly sure why that matters.

i created something from a memory but its not real

said in game point blank

uhhh game never said that

Get help.

Oh so no journal entry, just everyone being retarded with how to handle this problem. Real Renoir is really lucky that everyone was retarded, and Painted Renoir seem more justified just killing everyone, too.

learn english

ignoring everything Verso said about her being able to fuck off to any canvas she can paint.

Closing time, you don't have to go home
But you can't stay here

Do you mean forgotten battlefield?
If so, how are that hundreds? The whole map is literally littered with corpses. There are MOUNTAINS of corpses. The trenches are corpses. Half the terrain are corpses.
That being said, I think the game poorly presented how many people were really sent out to expeditions. Sure there were 67 expeditions before, but man you could play the same "drop a pin in India and try to not find trash" game but with corpses in E33.

It is never said that it isn’t real.
Only that it isn’t the real verso.

the only thing left that's unclear about the timeline to me is how long aline was playing fantasy with her lumiere people before renoir crashed in and caused the Fracture. just based on the funeral for verso in the one ending, the mansion still being under repair, and the fact that she's degenerated so much between fracture-day and monolith year 33.. my thinking is that she was barely there for any time at all before renoir crashed in and fucked everything up.

be a regular thinking person

somehow this is autism

kys troon

People as either good or bad

Difficulty with unexpected change

No ability to understand nuance

Self righteousness right-vs-wrong

Punishing anyone who breaks rules

Jesus christ the internet has become autistic.

The West has the weakest family values in the entire world. The fuck. Do you not know a single thing about any culture anywhere.

I think the game poorly presented how many people were really sent out to expeditions

this is the truth lol. they leave on small singular frigates and 33 seemed to only have maybe one or two dozen members. they would need larger ships with crews of like ~200 to produce the mountains of corpses that they did.

A porn thread laced with trannies and third world shitters died for this…

The game talks about how few people volunteer for the expedition by the time of 33. It is very easy from that to then understand that there used to be a lot more people willing to go.

Its hard to judge with the arbitrary time-dilation between the canvas and real world. We know she was there long enough to create lumiere, its citizens, her painted family, the manor etc.. but we have no reference for how long that would have taken in real world time but presumably it couldn't have been long.
I think you are correct that he hoped in after her pretty quickly.

She doesn't say he's not a person, she just says he's not their Verso, because he's not, he's a different person.

did anyone else ever notice that gustav's friend christine(?) from the intro (the blonde woman with the mole) gets her body replaced with a generic statue-corpse expeditioner a short way into the game in the spring meadows? it maintains the spear through the heart that identifies it as her but it's a male statue. found it a short way into the game when i was backtracking to use the paint breaking ability from finding gestrals and thought i stumbled onto a secret.

Most retarded post I have ever seen. We throw our elders in retirement homes where they're often abused (by browns) and we never visit them. The very people who gave us everything.

Any culture with generational homes is instantly superior to ours when it comes to family.

I picked Maelle's ending because I know my boy Gustave is gonna figure something out. I have faith in my nigga.

Monoco and Noco were painted by real Verso, based on his dogs. The dogs and gestrals both have a parent-child relationship, and one of the dogs appears to be a puppy still. Considering they predate the whole family ordeal, presumably the entirety of the canvas world's 100+ year existence was a month tops from the outside perspective, with the game events taking a fraction of that.

You homos discussing this game have been alright. The only thing that drags these threads down outside of the easily ignorable shitposters are the people who quite obviously didn't really play the game and just watched a streamer play. The retarded questions and headcanon give it away.

Gustave is gonna figure something out

he's gonna figure out maelle is torturing this new verso guy he just met after coming back to life and use his lumina converter tech to defeat the new paintress because he's a moral guy.

It happens in wonderful places like India, Bagadlesh, indonesia and nearby overpopulated pooholes

Not unlikely since "beating" her is not actually gonna kill her for real so there's no reason for him to hold back. But I think he could figure out a way to save the painting anyway, or perhaps to make it inaccessible by painters so there wouldn't be a need to destroy it. Gustave showed he has the brains to use the powers of the canvas for the benefit of humans and gestrals alike and we don't know the limit of this tech.

The dog is Monoco the 3rd though which I took to mean they've had a dog named Monoco since Verso's childhood but it isn't the same dog.

The real plot twist is that Noco is the bigger dog and Monoco the 3rd is the puppy.

Verso f*ck sciel for 8th time

lune the next day:

make it inaccessible by painters so there wouldn't be a need to destroy it.

At that point the canvas would be trash even for Aline and Alicia and nobody would prevent it from being destroyed...

Not a single fat chick in Lumiere

Aline was painting a dream world for her son to smash in

I guess that muddies things if Noco's the bigger one. I assumed since Monoco considers himself the parent in the painting and Noco is tiny that Noco would be the puppy.

Damn, no wonder he doesn't want to live in the painted world. He IS the architect's son.

Monoco also says Noco was the one who raised him (originally?) It either goes back and forth or switched at some point with the Gestral resurrections

Yikes! Reads like you almost managed to come out of your closet, sweetie.

I'm going through NG+ and it's jarring how different Act 1 Maelle is from Alicia. She's a courageous and sweet street urchin kid. She becomes so cold later. What happened? White haired Maelle/Alicia completely loses that childlike quality Act 1 Maelle had.

Maelle during Gustave's funeral sealed the deal for me. Act 3 is just Alicia. She is LARPing as Maelle to keep her fantasy up.

You generally didn’t find fat people at the time.
Especially in France, which has and has always had by far the lowest obesity rate among western countries
Also it’s mostly older people who are overweight, people who are in their 10s/20s are rarely fat, here in France it has increased but even 20 years ago it was like 2% of young adults being obese, 100 years ago it was a rarity

Maelle you knew died when Act 2 is over and was gommage. Alicia only have her memories but not her manner.

One is maelle, the other is alicia realizing she had been living as maelle.

cuz she knows that she is a painter (a goddess basically)

Death of innocence and childhood, or character mishandling?

maelle

wanna not destroy the world

yeets her axon in the reacher

verso

wanna destroy the world

cries when maelle yeets her axon

this will never make sense. peak retardation

Because she regains all her memories of being a disfigured crippled that is shunned by her family. The truth is after act 2 she cares more about escaping that reality then the future of Lumiere which is very contradictory to act 1 Maelle.
This is further confirmed by her not even bothering to fix up the city in her epilogue.

I don't give a shit about the Dessendre family, so I picked the Maelle ending because it causes them the most suffering.

Why did they do that? What is the message here? Maelle wanted to leave Lumière at all costs because it didn't felt like home, but that completely changes later, though for selfish reasons.

why does he wear 2 coats?

I was more concerned with the rest of the lives of the Painted world because they seem like pretty real people and nuking them just for one person seemed fucked up.

It's fucking cold and Aline is too insane and spiteful to paint him a furnace

Simp.

Should we call her Malicia?

Aline stole real Renoir's coat and gave it to painted Renoir as a trophy

Microsoft has the marketing rights to this you retard lmao

Well he was just being honest.
Verso is a fucking liar.

Was gonna make this point.
Yeah retirement homes are pest infested,dirty death factors peak american "KINDNESS"

I like Maellicia.

Aux lendemains non écrits > Lumière so I pick verso

regrets her chance to fuck Gustave

Bro Maelle herself was a loner in Lumiére, she only cared about Emma and Gustave before embarking the expedition.

The only based way to choose maelle

Its open to interpretation whether Maelle's desire to leave Lumiere is foreshadowing or just one of few reasonable excuses for why a 16 year wants to join a suicide mission. Likely its both but either way the Maelle we know in Act 1 is gone and I think the biggest change is she no longer sees Gustave as a father figure or the Lumierians as her peers. They become her toys she doesn't want to stop playing with.

Your parents literally kick you out once you hit 18 lmao
In most latin america family is expected to stay together forever, same for SEA countries

I think it's foreshadowing. She does not fit in because she doesn't, she's someone else who had Maelle painted over herself.

The only way i side with Maelle is if Maelle overrides Alicia and actually fights for Lumiere instead of fighting for her selfish reasons.

In other words, I want the ACTUAL Maelle, not thd Dessandre bitch larping as her.

Great or Elder God?

His wife mogs him at painting and his daughter mogs him at combat. How is he strong?

she no longer sees Gustave as a father figure or the Lumierians as her peers

Yep. Act 3 is not Maelle despite her coping and lying to Verso about being 50/50.

Anyone knows where i can find HD versions of the credits' artworks?

I think its pretty clear that the message is she is lying and is no longer Maelle. There is no reason to believe her painted version's theory that living among them fundamentally changed her. The painters presumably spend decades in canvases all the time and don't come out entire different people, at least there is no indication of that from anyone else.
Everything about her being half Maelle is cope.

elder God

Elder God without hesitation.

Maybe she's lying to the audience as much she's lying to herself. She does that often.

Elder God tier, arguably for both. I am not going to bother with Real Renoir since everyone with a brain can easily understand him. Painted Renoir is more on the line that he did warn everyone, but everyone call him a faggot. So Painted Renoir just kill everyone just so his family doesn't die.

Traditional western values are just unappealing to them.

They're literally the biggest tradlarpers on the internet to the point that it became a stereotype

Act 1 Maelle wasn't even that interested in saving Lumiere in the first place. He whole reason for joining the expedition is because she feels like she does not fit in Lumiere and doesn't feel like it's her home

Latter. They have 10/10 OST to back it up, too
youtube.com/watch?v=_r2iKZ1NWTU
youtube.com/watch?v=V4OXt_Y2PwI

Wouldn't this be Elder God? All of Renoir, Maelle, and Verso (whichever you consider the villain) bring it their own compelling arguments for their causes

Renoir Act II boss fight sounds like a French take on J-rock, I love it.

I strongly believe in Verso's ending being the "canon" one but I like both because they're very good dramatic storytelling pieces. Even if the Maelle end was the only one I'd still think it's great.

My only wish is that Gustave made it to the end, not just because I like him but because it would callback to a lot of things

first fight in game is maelle vs gustave, the last too would be cool

maelle told him there was nothing in lumiere for her, doesn't want to stay

the entire campfire scene with gustave and Lune were he practically admits he would sacrifice lumiere for her

the fact that he does actually give his life for her

way better chemistry and more in common with sciel and lune

basically a second dad, alongside renoir

Imagine if gustave was painted by clea specifically to look after her, god I wish the final fight was him vs maelle instead

god i hope this OST wasn't a fluke and this dude is able to pump out shit like this for years to come

I really dislike the positive framing of Verso's ending vs Maelle's. Feels like a slap in the face for daring to be invested in this fictional world and its characters

storyfags btfo'd

Yeah the devs have a clear bias but I think the parallels to not wanting to put the game down and move on are part of that.

That would be cool, I just don't know if the final fight would fit. I like that it's against Verso, but I feel the rest of the game would be better if he was this extra character and less of a substitute protagonist in Gustave's abssence.

nowhere. theres no digital artbook yet.
best you can get is extract the mp4 credits from game files and then save the frames that you want.
ill make it easy for u: visit gofile.io/d/qnOv5b , open the embedded video in fullscreen, on a chromium browser: right click and save video frame when you find the artwork you want to save.

How the fuck did you minimize the hair pixelation so much?
looks like 4K downsampled from 8K or something which is unviable for a Deferred renderer at 60 fps.

is this a promo shot or pre-rendered?

lemme guess, AMD, stuck with FSR? kek

Dlc when

Core team of 33, hence the game's name
Outsourcing brings the number up to 220.
Most of those are QA and MoCap.
Budget ~$10M
First time publisher, first game from musician, first game from director, first published work by the writer.
While most of the devs were established experts in their fields, the team was indipendent. I find it difficult to believe that any established corpo would look at the plot or themes of this game and put their signature on it. You think a Sony exec signed off on Gustave's attempted suicide? His later death? The main theme of the story being the least palatable message of Buddhism and Christianity? That your grief is just an illusion that seduced you and you should get over it? The extremist pro-natalism message the story opens on?
So not only is this game Indie, it wouldn't be possible to make otherwise.

Regardless of one ending being good or bad, the devs have said there isn't a canon ending.
I think people end up focusing too much on the black and white and jumpscare from Maelle's ending. Someone posted in a thread yesterday comments from the lead writer about the ending and she indicated that she sees Maelle's ending in a much more positive light although still sad ending. She said she sees that ending as Maelle making a noble sacrifice to her own body so that Lumiere can keep existing.

So this is just DLSS?
never mind that means you get the jittery artefacts in motion.
the still looks pretty good for fake resolution tho.

You are the goat, thank you anon

comments from the lead writer

Post link

she sees that ending as Maelle making a noble sacrifice to her own body so that Lumiere can keep existing.

Women moment

Expedition 33 on the PS1/SNES

Anon Babble would claim it's the best game of all time and nothing even comes close to its kamige status.

it was all a dream, a metanarrative of how you shouldn't like the narrative too much

that is some crappy MS paint drawing you got there.

after suddenly killing all the paintggers, what sector of society did truly suffer?

How did Renoir / Curator help the party if he was trapped under the sea?

They all live in some 3rd world hellscape like Brazil or South East Asia. They NEED escapism

wouldn't all the corpses be clea's doing given that they died to nevrons because their chroma is still within them?
Only corpses that are Renoir's doing are Axon nevrons

Painters are retarded. You just need a simple in-and-out schedule so it won't kill your real body. There's no need to make a scene or destroy your dead son's last memory.
No wonder the Writers fuck them up so easily.

how different Act 1 Maelle is from Alicia. She's a courageous and sweet street urchin kid. She becomes so cold later. What happened?

This is another thing that baffled me that act 3 is optional when it's critical story content. If you go straight to the ending you never realize alicia is very different from maelle and her ending is unbelievable unless you know the difference.

Also alicia is disfigured, accidentally killed her brother, and her family resents her. Of course she's fucked up.

I'm a versofag living in a shithole, thank you very much
It's a REAL shithole tho

Also alicia is disfigured, accidentally killed her brother, and her family resents her. Of course she's fucked up.

Renoir doesn't resent her. Another thing in his favor.

Post favorite songs
youtube.com/watch?v=g96pzSbdNmg

and her family resents her

If her father love her, which is why is even bother trying to tell her to go home in the first place. He gave a speech about not wanting to see her suffer the same addiction as Aline and do as much as he can just to get her out of the painting.

He doesn't say it, but when she brought him up he instantly got angry with a sound effect

Pretty sure the implication is Maelle wants to die since she's tired of being charcoal chicken.

I think its genuine but that piece of evidence is no good. She could be grounded from the painting for life because she's not suffering enough like the rest of the family

How would you guys rate Andy Serkis’ peformance? I think he’s easily one of the best celebrity performances in a game ever

Does anyone have that webm clip of duelliste with the sekiro shit going on?

Real Renoir did nothing wrong

And earlier in act 3, she refers to her real self as an "empty shell" and when she enters the painting in the fake epilogue, she thinks how nice it would be to be able to speak and not feel pain again, before catching herself and saying it's not the main reason.

Gustave's a better father/brother figure than Renoir and especially Painted Verso, which subjected Maelle to what's basically a facsimile of real Verso's death, down to her being indirectly responsible for it. And he's shown he can tardwrangle her fairly well. He wouldn't need to come up with any tech, he'd probably just talk with her for five minutes and convince her to do what's right.

Painters are retarded. You just need a simple in-and-out schedule so it won't kill your real body.

Aline and Alicia refused this option. Alicia wins the right to keep the painting in her ending after promising to do exactly that, and then doesn't. In Verso's ending, he correctly states "You lied to him." And when Maelle tries to disagree, Verso interrupts, "He saw it, too."

Alicia is just as suicidal as painted Verso.

Gustave's a better father/brother figure than Renoir

He's a wimp and an enabler. No he's not.

And he's shown he can tardwrangle her fairly well.

He never controls Maelle over anything ever. She always does whatever she wants while Gustave is the one around to take care of her.

i mean its incredible and 10/10 but thats kinda his thing. hes a legend in the va/mocap space (i know he didnt do mocap here)
the standout for me was charlie cox honestly

I love this game, its a 10/10 for me, its on my 3x3, but why do we need 10 daily threads about this game with autists argueing about the best ending when most havent played or understand the game.

not really much argument anymore all the deluded maellefags fucked off back to whatever escapism of choice

I really love Aline's theme
youtu.be/vGVeDm4118Q?si=ry6ahiACX-beb4qn

He is the kind of actor that all actor stride for, unlike say, Debra Wilson. Debra Wilson is ugly and suffering from the same problem as Will Smith where they're not playing the character they're hire to act, they're playing themselves while hardly changing their look.

Good choice, I like the lyrics in it

wife goes into a fantasy land where she can create anyone she can dream of to be her enforcer

she decides on her real husband in a nicer suit

Cute

You can tell the moment she rests her head on verso's shoulder and starts acting like a know-it-all that the Maelle we knew is dead. Alicia wants to believe she's still the same person, but she's not and never will be.

it gets played alot ingame but i really love verso
youtube.com/watch?v=oOdJyVmfvXY
also every time theres a piano i play with verso for a while

Until you realize its the suit Verso wore before he died.

Oh this one's so good too. I love the melancholy it captures, fits the character so well.

The angry sound effect is when Alicia claims she won't get addicted to being in the canvas when he knows she will, after calling it her home.

SEA

not brown

south america

unironically white

They did a very good with body language in this game, it's impressive. Games usually have such alien body movements, but this one is peak.
Sciel also has a very warm body language in everything she does. Really sells her character.

LARPing faggot thinks he's a family man when in fact he hates his family

You are okay with a random old man you haven't seen in 16 years killing all you family as long as he says they aren't real.

youtube.com/watch?v=f1y_fUVMOHQ
An extremely fitting ending ost. Its beautiful.

youtube.com/watch?v=n1-DSn_6eRQ
A very haunting OST for a world map.

youtube.com/watch?v=Akplrzf5CkE

France.MP3

browns actually care about family

no they don't. they care about control.

"traditional values" is 100% just 'i am the father so everyone has to do what i say. why? well, because i said so!'. relying on traditional values is what happens when you cannot actually convince people that your shitty awful way of life is worth living. they are the psychological shackles of petty family tyrants.

women are just as bad in brown culture, actually. often worse. women are usually more conservative than men in a psychological/personality sense - they prioritise group harmony and 'go along to get along' bullshit.

caring about your family means wanting them to find their happiness, not forcing them into a job they hate and an arranged marriage to set up a potemkin village of a successful life that they didn't ask you for and don't want. but browns don't understand that. maybe they never will.

>The humans gets brought back in Maelle’s ending.

>bro theyre real, they just casually get rezzed like nothing with no trauma, or reaction

So we aren't real becaue Jesus brought Lazarus back to life? Wtf kind of logic is that?

Family carrying on the parent's legacy, or marrying into power is an european thing. You wouldn't get it.

if the only way you can convince your children to carry on your legacy is through coercion and force, your legacy deserves to die out.

this is the hurtful truth that familial autocrats want to deny. all of their coercive power is deployed to ensure nobody can ever point out the simple and self-explanatory fact that if they weren't shit they wouldn't need it.

I'm not Lazarus and I'm not shown his reaction. If his reaction is indifference, I'd think Jesus is a demon that reincarnated an evil spirit into the man.

its complicated i NEED my daddy but it makes me so nervous :3333333333333333

I honestly think they wasted him. he wasn't much of a character.
He was way better in Enslaved Odyssey.

He basically invented a new style of acting and perfected it at the same time.

When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” 44 The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.

Jesus said to them, “Take off the grave clothes and let him go.”

Lazarus didn't seem to give a shit. So are we not real then?

Are we not real?

No, Lazarus is a demon.

they seem like pretty real people

They aren't, and can be replaced with legions of more painted people at any time, or replicated seemingly

Did anyone else feel like the ending choice was a media literacy test?
whole game is telling you that although the painted world is not real, the effects on the people in the real world are very real. Verso says that Alicia is maelle in the real world too. The experiences she had will make her able to grow than if she had not entered the canvas at all. Verso had lived 100 years at that point and didn't want it anymore, maelle making that choice is akin to just restarting the cycle and dooming herself to die in the painting. Ultimately the beings in the painted world don't matter beyond their impact on those outside of it. To choose the maelle ending is to completely misunderstand the core themes of the game that it makes very obvious throughout.

didn't verso crying, the black and white, and sad music not give it away that was the bad ending?

Stop quoting Papa!

Cute angry retard
Alicia needs handholding

verso crying

Automatically good ending.

Are you implying having life experiences, whether real or not won't impact you in any way? Sure she wouldn't "be" maelle, but the memories and experience will shape the rest of her life outside the painting as she has memories of being someone completely different with a different personality, whether real or not

Apparently not to some people, low empathy normies probably

painted world is not real

Gustave being the MC of Act I is to show you that it is real you stupid fuck.

This world with artificial people that people with paint power can create from thin air (and erase just as easily) is just like the real world just because you played through the perspective of one of these painted people

No

didn't verso crying

Considering Painted Verso is the villain of the story, it sounds like the good end actually. The hero of the story was Gustave and it got hijacked mid-way by the villain.

See You aren't real either then, faggot.

Verso is the hero that liberates the creator of the world from torment.

I don't remember being erased and remade, nor any other humans, at the whim of some other human from a higher place of existance.

Not even a God or omnipotent being, just another human one step up.

I don't remember being erased and remade

Enoch.

Never happened.

Even Jesus references Enoch. Cope.

Didn't happen, and even if it did, wasn't at the whim of humans.

She effectively doubles in mental age - having the memories and experiences of both her lives. And one of those involved the trauma of the fire and being responsible for your saintlike brother's death to some degree.
If she was the same personality-wise before and after the end of act 2, the inverse complaint would be made about how there were no consequences of this change for the sake of keeping her as the Maelle we liked at the start.

Counterpoint : she doubles in immaturity by being a sixteen year old girl twice over.

You know that checks out. I concede your point.

‘Is not this the reason you are wrong, that you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God? For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."

By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.

The Painters are gods inside the paintings.

I might have glossed over this but what's the deal with the real world grey version of Alicia in the painting? I did the axon side quest, but what is her deal? Was she a version of Alicia painted by aline much like verso was?

Obviously they would but its hard to say how much it really affects and if those memories feel just as real as the ones she has of being Alicia or if its more like waking from a dream where the things that happened there are clearly distinguishable from reality. We don't really know but I'm inclined to think its not like she has 16 years as two beings and their memories or desires are equal in her mind. In my opinion everything in act 3 is Alicia dominating whatever split personality they have. Clea's personality and lines about Aline and Renior having spent even longer in other Canvases is a big part of why I feel that way. From what we see of Renior is isn't like he is haunted by split personalities of centuries spent painting other worlds he clearly values the real world above all else.

Was she a version of Alicia painted by aline much like verso was?

Yes and it's implied shes fucked up like real Alicia as some sort of punishment

Precisely - she's "Painted Alicia" as our party's version is "Painted Verso". Making them true siblings.

yeah scar renoir, black and white aline, the verso in the party and the big paintress are all paintings of the family, not themselves. actual renoir is the curator and actual paintress the one without a face on the monolith. real verso's soul is the kid in the ending.
her mom painted her uggo and with a mask on purpose even though she couldve just painted her normally

the real world grey version of Alicia in the painting

She is Painted Alicia, how Aline see Alicia.

but what is her deal?

She was utterly piss that her brother, Painted Verso that you're playing up to that point, didn't deliver the letter she entrusted him with. Her father is dead. Her mother is "dead". She is utterly alone. That is why she choose to die and deny Verso any closure.