WoW is Banning Addons

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What does Anon Babble think about this major changes?

I think that LoLTyler1 on twitch.tv made a great point that needing addons is gay
I don't really know, I just know for a fact that this is in direct response to him and that gay little challenge thing a few months ago

instead of making the game playable, we will just not allow third parties to make it easier--we will do this ourselves to increase accessibility

the game is gone. rotations are fucking retarded and insanely complicated. the game totally revolves around Liquid guild hardcore raids and trannies who just want pet battles

Too little too late, they should have done this several years ago

Remove flying too

What does Anon Babble think

I can't believe people still play WoW

why'd they start copying ff14 AFTER that game killed itself

kys e-celeb dickriding subhuman FREAK

I do not play modern WoW and honestly I do not have time to waste to play playable old WoW. My opinion is that I would cheat using Autohotkey for macros and other semi-bot activities if I was 15 years younger and gave a fuck. But... I just am not young enough to play WoW. I would have probably not liked these news 15 years ago and probably would have just cheated anyway.... but 15 years ago was a long time. I was much happier. I had time to lose and I did play WoW... actually 15 years ago I played LoL, WoW I played 17 years ago. But anyway... why do they even keep making WoW shit?
I give you a bait picture because I have nothing more to add and I am just getting old.

no, I don't think I will

Actually sounds good, I always fucking hated how you needed like 5 addons or more just to do PvP.

Once the major changes hit sometime after 11.2, it will no longer be possible for addons to track group abilities. So no more seeing other players’ cooldowns.

Addons can communicate with each other. What's stopping everyone from just running some MRT like equivalent addon where anytime you use your cooldown it shares "he used it" and then marks it as "on CD" on everyone's client? And no, they can't just stop addons from sharing information, because the next step would be all of the addons just posting and subscribing to custom chat channels used to share information that way through text parsing. Unless their plan is to also remove the ability of addons to work with the chat pane, but that would break effectively every addon.

Damage meters and parsing has done unbelievable damage to these games. Schizos will intentionally cause wipes all the time to try to keep their damage numbers high and see nothing wrong if they instead top the damage taken or deaths chart.

You know what this will lead to? People will use hidden combat addons that is hard to track and outperform the non-addon users massively, just like bots Blizzard won't be able to do shit about it

Addons can communicate with each other.

They can very easily disable this like it was pre-WotLK. The way Addons work now is due to Ghostcrawler being a massive min-maxxing faggot. The game didn't used to allow inter-addon API or most of this shit back in the day.

This is only a problem in bad guilds with bad players.

this tbqh. Too little too late. The only way to unfuck it would be to start over with wow 2 and a completely different design philosophy

And I'm saying it'd be easy to circumvent that. When you join an instance you and your raid members all would /join NameOfDungeon+DungeonId. Now the addon will just post "I used spellId" in that channel and listen to the channel for other players posting "I used spellId." It would know the cooldowns of each ability, and mark the ability as on CD for the other players when it read it. At most there might have to be some manual setup after you join the channel where you press a button after everyone has joined and it posts initial information to it for the other clients to parse (so the others would know your class and spec, etc.). The only way to block this would be to prevent addons from interacting with public chat channels, which would be a very heavy handed step, and break all addons.

Addonsissies are done for

addons are just another word for modification of a online service game which usually makes the game easier.

this is why most other online service titles do not support addon usage as its just cheating which is not tolerated by most ToS agreements

Have you seen WoW players? They are looking at the new 1 button rotation and still think it's too complicated.

took way too long for this change

which would be a very heavy handed step, and break all addons.

There's pretty much zero reason not to do this.

I said it wrong: I assume that Blizzard is limiting addons more and more because they no longer care about making a big ass world and being innovative. I just said it in a very retarded way.

just go to ffxiv you can mod the shit out of it and cheat at everything in the game and the devs don't give one flying fuck

It's bad because the game is balanced around the use of addons you fucking moron.

I mean tards are gonna tard no matter how good the guild is, the difference is those tards in top guilds will eventually reign themselves in if it's starting to interfere with actually killing bosses.
Tards in bad guilds will continue to do retarded things because nobody calls them on their retardation or they're too stupid to learn from their mistakes.

insanely complicated

for you

When you join an instance you and your raid members all would /join NameOfDungeon+DungeonId. Now the addon will just post "I used spellId" in that channel and listen to the channel for other players posting "I used spellId." It would know the cooldowns of each ability, and mark the ability as on CD for the other players when it read it.

This wouldn't work because players have a message rate limit, especially in private channels. It'd make the addons so inaccurate they wouldn't even be useful.

I quit wow waaaay back because I couldn't be arsed to deal with addons. They got more and more complicated and made the game less fun.

retail will be even more infested with shitters

glad i quit this garbage back in shitolands

how the fuck did WoW crack down on this before XIV did? Wild.

Exactly, perfect example why this shit won't work and Blizzdrones are (as per usual) retarded when they know perfectly well to what extent wow players go to make shit easier and clear raids faster

If this goes as well as their attempt to replace UI addons then it will probably kill the game

There it is doooood. There it is!

Max beat Gallywix all by himself. He said that it was mechanically an easy boss but strategically really hard.

because 90% of HIV players are just having pretend text with each-other with their inflated sexdolls instead of playing what little game there is

its maybe 20 years too late. at this point this will just keep away 99% of raiders lol. not that I care, I unsubbed ages ago

Have you considered getting gud bitch boy. They should ban every addon to make faggots like you cry.

one way or another players that play the real game on private servers have had a one button rotation build on ahk for 20 years already. There were other stuff too: i remember in pvp literally auto targeting for low hp players, auto interrupts, auto debuffs and so on.... all on scripts outside the game.

i think glow puppet X makes a great point that…

good try blizzard

thats a big girl

What does addons playing the game for you and solving every raid mechanic for you have to do with the world being big?
And it is pretty hard to be innovative when every mechanic you make just gets solved by an addon.

It's the most popular game mode by far.

nooo I can't play it because time limits give me an anxiety attack

Because the UI designers cannot make a default UI that is as good as a current modded UI. I don't want to settle for dumbed-down gameplay and a lower skill ceiling because they decided to cater to the "addons bad" droolers.

Hell I had that happen in just normal non endgame content in ffxiv, these parsefags are fucking freaks

how can you design fights to not be about DPS race?

dumbed-down gameplay and a lower skill ceiling

Have to use 10 addons to solve the mechanics and play the game for you

doesn't affect classic, so i dont care

just have easy but fun action combat. with tab targeting cooldown based combat? probably not possible.

they should make it for every version including classic so the parse fags collectively die out

Honestly, this is not for me to answer. They made the game gay long ago so now I go for private servers and there you have to be good ( or have a good automation ) just so you can do raids and dungeons and not fail. Also at some point... its just comfier to just press one button and do max dmg and not have to spend a 15 minutes raid boss doing piano on your keyboard. Its not like you will do more dmg than key presses automatically presses in the right order with a delay of 10 ms anyway.

Based. Finally. 20 years too late though.

Ironically she's the only character that isn't a miserable fucking brain-rape whenever she opens her mouth. Her real problem is that she's just pointless.

about time cheat mods were banned
gitgud zoomer kiddies

why not just bot then

this is very close to it. You are just not going full because you still want to.... play the game... if i can say it that way.

It's going to depend on the specifics. I like removing boss timers, but I would rather them fix the problem that allows boss timers to work in the first place. Removing automatic marking would be great. Removing alerts (visual, audio, and in-chat) when a cast is happening would be great. Removing the ability for player X's addon to talk to player Y's addon would be great. Removing tracking of player abilities, buffs, and debuffs would be stupid. Implementing things addons already do then breaking those addons would be stupid.

I suspect the end result will be an increase in happiness for me.

You can't because of stupid shit like enrage meaning all fights are a dps race by design. They problem just mean more mini games like avoid standing in glowing aoe or using flying mounts / turrets and stupid gimmick shit like that.

good

this will kill the last remaining pvp lol

This is good. They're SAYING they will design fights around the changes. We'll have to see. The reason of needing some add-ons is to cut through the bullshit.

Oh, i need to fun out with this debuff? How can i tell I have it when I have heals nutting on me, rainbow clouds under me/on me, im already spell effected from buffs, etc. Check for a tiny debuff icon amongs 1293819023 other icons?

Addons don't solve mechanics or play the game. You have no idea what you're talking about. Now go watch some more asmongold stream highlights you zoomer retard.

Their entire game is balanced around addons
You have classes that have to manage 5 different procs and 3 resources
And raid bosses with a shitload of gotchas
So how exactly are they planning this?

alienating the 3 people who still play your game... what a great idea to keep your game going

so i can't play it on the steamdeck anymore?

Interested to see how they intend to make WA tracking classes playable without addons (Assassination, Cat, etc.)

Nice, still not giving blizzard any money.

They can stop addons from reading chat that isn't the combat log without breaking anything worthwhile.

I wonder why addons that solve mechanics and tell you what to do is the most popular and most downloaded ones then.

less chance of a lawsuit
sasuga, Ion

is WoW even that playable on the deck? You needed a lot of keybinds... lke a lot.

1 button rotation is also being added.

Good. Vanilla was the best part of WoW.

In game encounters are balanced around m+/raid parse trannies with piss jugs and poop socks. 50+ WA2 scripts and 5 different addons for boss encounters. It's not fun, it clutters the UI and hides the beauty of the game while also filtering players who are too illiterate/impatient to set all of this bullshit up just to participate in high end endgame. The game would unironically benefit from gutting addons to bare minimum and toning down difficulty balance to vanilla UI and raid encounters from Cata/Wotlk days.

lmao
Their plan is to 90% of the playerbase to press one button

Only thing that kind of sucks will be losing deadlyboss mods. Keeping track of the phases and mechanics in the mage tower are kind of hard when Blizzard sucks absolute ass at making things easy to spot.

Rotations in WoW have always been fucking retarded. Even more so for the last 10 years where every ability is just a DD effect with some condition that increases damage and the variance in spenders and builders' damage is about 15%.

Incorrect. The 1 button rotation has a built in GCD which equates to 30 less button presses per 100 and it's unlikely it can predict situational need so you won't be clearly beyond normal raid (at best) with it unless you get carried.

If they revert the game speed to TBC levels, then sure
But you cant get a post legion wow (mythic +) and gut addons without crashing the game hard

This shit has gotten so bad, especially as melee, since they removed nameplate stacking addons that I literally had to swap to a mid range retri pala in Dragonflight, because I had no fucking idea what's happening on my screen. You can't manually click on individual nameplates to interrupt a party wiping spell in higher level M+ when you do big pulls and the nameplates start flying all over your screen, but the TAB targeting "smart" feature doesn't work half the fucking time.

The funniest thing is that combat addons only exist because vanilla UI tells you jackshit about the game

IF they can do it without smoothbraining the fuck out of general class design, I'm all in favor
half the reason people use addons in the first place is because there are so many instances of "spell A grants you Fagonosis, spell B consumes Fagonosis to tickle your nuts and do 1% extra damage" which all stack on top of each other 15 times until you just download an addon that lights buttons up when you're supposed to press them because they're just boring damage boosts, who cares?
but alternatively I really REALLY don't want wow to turn into ffxiv's "vomit burst and then 123 until next burst" because that shit's boring as all hell

On one hand i am glad they are finally doing this
On the other i stopped playing, so to little too late
On the third - What stops some tracker addon to just spam a private chat channel with statuses and use that to communicate like ?

Tanking without stacking nameplates is also infurating at m+ because from time to time, your aggro doesnt stick on pulling and good luck clicking/tabbing to the mob hitting your healer before hes dead

man I wish Dark Irons weren’t locked to retail

And more garbage.

I'm definitely down for slower, more impactful rotations that don't require 60+ APM, giving you carpal tunnel syndrome while feeling shit to perform (bunch of small noodle dots and spells feel worse than big dick numbers, but you have use them to gain 5 stacks of a gay buff that buffs your main 30 sec burst ability by 10%)

The builder/spender loop we have right now is shit, thats true
But going back to cata rotations is also not the answer

I watched my friend play WoW one time and a war bugle went off every 10 seconds during a fight.
Is that how people play the game?

every 10 seconds

Thats childs play
I have a *honk honk* going off every 2 seconds

So the devs watched that "It's Rude to be Bad at WoW" video, and scrambled to fix the mistake they were supposed to do 15 years ago

have a burger because I got no reaction images on this new hard drive

It still kind of doesn't, FFXIV kind of spoiled me with it's easy to understand mechanic identifiers. I spent too many tries trying to find that totem that stuns in the feltotem mage tower mission if I even catch the moment when he plants it.

1 button dps rotation

banning mods

they're really just setting this up for a console release aren't they

it made playing affli insufferable used to be able to download certain addon in legion that stacked all nameplates on screen into one neat column and you could click on every nameplate individually to apply dots, now you either have to play a fucking Whac-A-Mole with your mouse pointer to target the right plate or spam TAB till you get to the crucial target which impacts your performance.
this led to massive imbalance in m+ where single target/2-4 cleave classes like warlock and warrior became persona non grata to braindead aoe stun/burst classes like mage, dh, bala druid and right now retri paladins.
blizzard in their retardation tried to fix this by nerfing and caping AOE damage but they made game unfun af to play for everyone so they mostly reverted the changes while leaving warriors and locks in shit state.

prevent addons from interacting with public chat

break all addons

I can't even tell if you're serious anymore.

XIV cracked down on this multiple times when it became visible enough
They just don't give a shit if it's not visible because the scene is nowhere near as competitive

This is a big nothingburger. Ion is talking about specific functionality during combat like tracking boss buffs/debuffs, abilities, etc. Basically stopping things that solve mechanics for you. Not about customizing your UI with weakauras or whatever other addons.

t. actively plays retail

DPS rotations are literal burden busywork.

Actually good. Let's see how these "raiders" going to beat bosses without a giant fucking timer telling them when to cast their spells.

i don't play mmos anymore and never played wow
but is there a reason you can't just call out that you popped something in vent or ask someone about it

whatever retoilet

yet here you are, posting in a thread about retail wow, a game you apparently don't care about

You don't want up to 25 players shouting regularly in chat, that's chaotic. You want chat cleared until important announcements are needed.

I'm having a blast as an enhancement shaman

This, it's big fat nothing. The game will continue to be a 1 step forward "let's add this QoL change players were asking for a decade", 2 steps backwards "let's fuck paypigs with mtx" treadmill, where 70% of your screen is covered in shit while you're getting audio and visual cues like some fucking sperg, "HONK HONK RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL" style.

MMORPGs are a zoomie and loser overload. A lot people are terrified to speak up. Also, say, if it's a mechanic 3-5 people get at once multiple chirping up can drown out the actual facts. But really it's ultimately just pussies being terrified to communicate. my guild routinely AOTCs and half the guild are terrified to vocalize.

Who cares this shits for 40 year old burn outs with a habit forming problem and low self esteem.

If you can't beat a fight or mechanic without addons, it's not well designed.

the duality of man

yea i guess needing clear comms sometimes makes sense
even on a vent for shooting the shit with a few friends things can get drowned out
thanks homies

I don't even know how you could make the fight designs more clear without the FFXIV arrow shit.

that's it I'm resubbing to WOW

Then why did they specifically mention not being able to track your party's CDs and not being able to make nameplates change colour? This is basic QOL shit that every player uses and they're gutting it to appeal to retards who don't even play the game.

Death to combat addons. Make WoW a fucking actual game again instead of a bullet hell.

He literally says they're targeting addons tracking player CDs
And nothing solves mechanics for you, they have repeatedly explained how they go out of their way to make mechanics addons DONT solve because they are aware that addons will do basic sorting or prioritization mechanics

youtu.be/8VEAC1bxQP8?si=j8tKYW9AWD99b4UH&t=168

Ae we playing World of Addon?... DBM... Why even play? The weakaura addon is playing the game for you.

Anon Babble and /wowg/ still can't refute this.

Understandable. The problem in older versions is that bosses don't telegraph anything and keeping track of stuff like Professor Putricides plague is impossible weight addons.

Wow always had to decide what the addons are allowed to do or not
it was an issue with pvp what kinda stuff addons can track
it was issue with pve races where guilds had individual addon makes where the addons drew shit on screen which helped killing bosses which was banned decade ago

retail will be even more infested with shitters

You want your games to be filled with shitters. You get to dunk on them, while they suck your dick and keep the game alive.

Either adjust the way information is shown to the player, or integrate parts or whole addons into their system. I think they admitted designing fights with addons in mind at some point, so might as well commit and level the playing field.
That said, many mechanics and fights have become more visually clear over time, but the arguably bigger problem for clearer indicators are the bajillion effects and animations plastering bosses if you're with a bigger group.

The goal is to build up the native functionality of our UI to increasingly narrow the gap between players who are using add-ons that assist with competitive functions and those who are not. Once we are most of the way there, there's going to be that last mile that consists of things that honestly we don't think are super healthy for the game.

Incoming heals will no longer be trackable, nor will specialized buffs or debuffs. But if they needed to be, that should be built into the base game

They're adding the

WoW is Banning Addons

They do that so everyone has to use their new built-in rotation tool. It's like communism, pulling everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

one button rotation

removing add-ons

They keep this up and it'll only be farming bots left.

The rotation tool already exists as and add-on and isn't being banned.

it would ruin the game for competitive players

lmao, shitters, no more bots to play the game for you.

Hit submit by accident. They're adding the functionality to the base UI.
Here's another quote from Ion:

"It should be part of the default UI," he said. "Same is true for tank swaps. If we're building an encounter where once your co-tank reaches four stacks of some negative effect, you need to taunt immediately, we should be giving you much better information to make that apparent. That's on us."

They can't even get the bots under control lmao.

And nothing solves mechanics for you, they have repeatedly explained how they go out of their way to make mechanics addons DONT solve because they are aware that addons will do basic sorting or prioritization mechanics

Lol, what about mythic sprocketmonger in the current raid? Weakauras is used to assign who pops the bombs and when to do it because it's insanely hectic.

They put the addons in themselves, this changes nothing the game is still a UI simulator

classic has no mechanics to begin with you retarded shitskin
the biggest addon offender in classic is a threat meter because that shit literally isnt visible otherwise.

t. actively plays retail

Why would you out yourself as having severe mental retardation?

if you had said only

addons are gay

you would've gotten a dozen (You)s

Have fun pressing 1 button

I agree. Btw, make sure to follow him on twitch.tv and possibly subscribe for only $4.99 a month, or for FREE with an Amazon Prime account.

I mean it's just showing people are too stupid to play and need handicaps.

based

Not interested in what some mutt youtuber has to say. Addons do not play the game for you, they let you choose how information is displayed. I don't want to go looking for the 1 relevant buff in a constantly shifting field of 30 bullshit buffs tucked away in the corner of the screen, I'd rather make a WeakAura and put it front and center so I'm not wasting time. If that's "playing the game for you" then I guess the speedometer in your car is driving the car for you.

level the playing field

The playing field is already level, because addons are free. If installing an addon manager and clicking "update" once per day is too much work then you were never gonna make it anyway.

i hope you one day have frends to play games with. c:

Scripe & Echo called it years ago. Cosmetic addons only
twitch.tv/scripe/clip/SuccessfulSnappyChoughKlappa-iihxZksXbbOyQ9Y7

League of Legends manages to do it properly. Then again they only have 10 players in a lobby.

kys

you can already press 1 button before

I CANT PLAY WITHOUT MY ADDONS FUUUUUUUCKKKKKKK

underrated post

refer to

the real game

private servers

Not funding "people" that live in a terrorist state. Sorry, not sorry.

blizzard has killed off their few remaining customers

it's over

I don't want to go looking for the 1 relevant buff in a constantly shifting field of 30 bullshit buffs tucked away in the corner of the screen

that's exactly the problem that's only getting solved by tackling the addons first. it only came to this because of how advanced they are

Nobody wants add-ons. Normies barely use them, casuals don't use them, vets don't want them.

Blizzard designs their content around addons.

A lot of extremely stupid people with crippled physical dexterity have been relying on addons to play the game for them. It's the same reason you see gibsmedats get angry when their government handouts get cut.

Reminder that these retards gutted most of the advanced menu options so that you'd either need to use console commands or an addon to configure or enable them. Why? Because it was "too confusing" for most players. All they had to do was make a decent game with semi regular content updates, instead they chose to chase some non-existent mobile / facebook mom market.

Twitch subs are now $7.99 a month and have been for a while. Twitch is pushing turbo for people who don't want ads more than actual subscriptions now.

WoW is banning Addons.

WOW

hen I guess the speedometer in your car is driving the car for you.

The car itself is designed with the speedometer in mind. WoW should NOT be designed with the addons in mind. They should be banned, and the game should play the way it's designed.

few remaining

wow won btw

Banning addons is retarded. Addons were allowed when the game was at its height and no one gave a shit, and honestly they were even more busted with AVR. Just design the game so you don't need addons. People are just going to make memory reading overlays if there is no addon API like what happens in every other MMO.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Blizzard designs their content around addons.

And they already said they won't be anymore and even so this is flat out false outside Mythic raid and very high keys which only a small % of the playerbase even does. I routinely get AOTC in the first month or so and never use add-ons.

inb4 a XIVilian shows up to post their 500x500 headcanon infopic that "debunks" this

Not even dbm/bigwigs?

AAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WEAKAURA SAVE MEEEEEEEE

Tyler is unironically correct. Holy shit WoW players are actually retarded and the fact that they need addons to even play this piss shit game is sad as fuck. Getting mogged by League of Legends players has to be the most pathetic thing I have ever seen.

No. There's really no need. WoW mechanics like all MMORPGs are simple as fuck. Literally stand here/don't stand here.

what are missing on a private eastern european server?

I forgot to mention that I use triggerbots and macros instead of addons. IDK if that matters.

$7.99

They are holocausting addons because WoW is being prepped for a console launch.

Yes WoWtrannies, you WILL have to play with consolebabs and your game WILL be dumbed down further to accommodate them. Also your classes WILL be gutted to allow for controller play.

an example:
mythic anduin fight randomly places a shadow debuff and a light debuff on all raid members. You have to touch someone with the opposite debuff within 5s or you die. If you touch someone with the same debuff, you die. This is just one mechanic that's going on at the same time as dozens of other things. It's rarely practical to coordinate the optimal partners for cancelling the debuff by talking as it's simply way too slow. The addon basically factored every single debuff and paired them off in an optimal manner, then presented and arrow showing you who to run to. With an addon, it's essentially non-gameplay because it's just simon says. Without the addon, finding a way to coordinate the removal for every single person is a nightmare.

mods are useless guys, I can say so because I don't use them while the 19 other people roided to the gills with LUA supplements carry me

literally anti-vaccine mentality

If 14 is functional on console with his skill bloat WoW will be fine.

that's exactly the problem that's only getting solved by tackling the addons first

How is that being solved? Blizzard's official cooldown tracker is shit, and WeakAuras is good. The community already solved the problem and Blizzard are threatening to un-solve it by un-doing the community's work.

but they might make the cooldown tracker better in the future

I'd rather not wait for a developer that takes 6 months to do anything when I can make the WA myself in 15 seconds.

they already said they won't be anymore

And I don't believe them, so I'd rather have the option of using addons like I have for the last 20 years.

14 was built from the ground up with consoles in mind. WoW wasn't.

b-blizzard will figure it out!!

:)

League of Legends is moving toward addons as well. Ever heard of OP(dot)GG? They have overlays that explain every aspect of the game to you.

purp and oj parse, top dps mage.
try again sweetie. not everyone is a retard like you. some of us grasp pressing buttons and acknowledging that giant flaming orb on your head suddenly does things.

you ... pay ???? to watch Twich?

WoW raids would run at like 10 FPS on current consoles... Shit would be unplayable

the mines are a joke mechanic, they arent there to be something you had to think about they are there to force movement the same way the tank bomb is there to force movement
sprocketmonger as a whole is built on the challenge of 5 things going off at once to dodge, which WAs don't solve
the hardest mechanic in the fight is the void rockets/balls, which is not something addons can help with and also is massively trivialized by gear and dps creep this patch

Based

muh parse

oh god, it's terminally retarded as well

You can literally already map to control. Our enhancement shaman and main warrior tank both play on control now.

I have made Autohotkey overlays in the past that also explain and automate a lot of things in the past and never been banned even though I was cheating basically. Just because someone can cheat, it does not mean it is ok. lol. But I do cheat.

I remember having lag on that boss so many times, there had to be some kind of bug in the coding

use skill as a gauge of quality

suddenly change tune when wrong

intredastign

Tyler is literally retarded

Getting mogged by League of Legends players

hes playing fucking classic raids lmao, theres no mechanics

I'll resub to the game if it's real.

Ok are they going to make their simon says bullshit fights intuitive and not cause wipes the instant someone deviates, or are people just going to have to watch someone else play the dungeon on youtube first

Holy fuck Asmongold posted this

doing the mechanic wrong shouldnt be a problem

retard

I am not Asmondkike, I just do not think that people over 20 should waste time with WoW.

you're indian

saying top dps mage

not the spec

the mask drops

giant flaming orb

???

no, it didn't.
they not only have spread themselves out but they also stopped reporting MAUs which last reported was back in 2015 numbers

put simply; Blizzard is basically dying

I unironically think a console port will save the game. Do many new normies is exactly what the game needs right now; a loud and excited player base making the game simpler to play.

he doesn't adjust spec on fight

he doesn't grasp the that "giant flaming orb" is just a generic signifier for all the numerous "you must do a thing now" mechanics of every fight

shitter detected, confirmed, and terminated.

i wouldn't call yoshi p waging his finger at you while giving you a disappointed look cracking down

normies are a blight, kys
the game has way too many normies as is

Blizzard has some damaged games under their control, but 2026 Blizzcon will save the company. They are cooking genre changing content, you'll see.

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The game is infact unplayable in certain modes in retail wow, and even in classic raids (naxx). Tyler was doing baby shit.

When this is first implemented it will be terrible for a while, because there is no way Blizzard will perfectly implement built in addons that will address the shit weak auras can already do. Secondly, content like M plus requires timer addons so people can track the 5 different party wiping casts on mobs, and to see which mobs are casting a one shot nuke on who.

changing mage specs per fight

when each spec has a different stat priority

when every boss in the raid has the same damage profile

Like I said, the mask dropped.

It's bad because the game is balanced around the use of addons you fucking moron.

the cope of retards. the only addon i ever used was auctioneer and a bag addon. Blizz fixed the bags themselves. Only retards need auras or CD trackers.

I haven't played in years, I don't care what they do at this point. It's probably for the best, but I don't care. I never played a high level.

oh no i can't rely on my addons that tell me literally what to do and what will happen

Good riddance
I hope all the shitters get filtered forcing them to actually learn raid mechanics

WoW has more integrity than XIV in 2025 now

Wild

LFR players are somehow going to get even worse

lol
LMAO

no addon does this though

The one button rotation should save them

-2/10 troll attempt
See me after class

I think it's incredible that Ion still hasn't been let go.

Ion "BGC" Hazzikostas
The G is for Greek

I've never played WoW but I do play XIV. Can someone explain to me in XIV-friendly terms why third party add-ons are necessary to play the game? It's confusing to hear that you need to install additional software just to play the game.

kek.

aura screams and lights up "move"

dbm screams and lights up "aoe dodge"

come on anon. how is it even fun to play with a handicapped ai telling you what to do?

This entire UI must be purged.

99% of Anon Babble is too young to remember Augmented Virtual Reality in WotLK and it literally painting circles in the world telling you exactly where to stand and when

next expansion will save the game!

I think that mentally and phyiscally deformed mutt made monkey sounds and that the trannies from the dead game team cares about his opinion

Haven't played WoW since Cata, and I would say it's great. Addons streamlined the game by telling you exactly what to do, thus negating the entire point of the fucking game.

10 years too late

also who needs combat addons when you get a 1 button rotation soon

move

this doesnt tell you where youre doing

aoe dodge

the giant colorful swirl under you already indicates this

AVR was wild, that shit was deserved instant killed and caused lots of API lockdowns

literally cheat

wtf why are they banning it....

My guild drew dicks on the ground, I remember that addon being banned really fast.

goalposts: moved

1 button rotation soon

I don't see a problem with it, it's not optimal.

I would love to see this faggot die in a wreckt thread by some meat sweat

this dude ducks cock. he drinks more cum than any porn actress

Now WoW players will actually have to play their game like XIV and GW2 players.

How will they ever cope?

your mom is my orc's bitch

Too much nonsense in the thread, qhy is this a big deal? What are the retail addons like if they decide to ban them? Have addons evolved from classic ones or something

well sounds like you dont need the addon then and this changes nothing!

how the fuck does this inept faggot still have a job?

XIV players

play game

lmao, the only people left are grown-ass men textfucking other grown-ass men with 50 gigs of futa mods each

remove combat addons

add a button that plays the game for you

roflmao
Make up your fucking minds Blizzturds

implying GW2 has any real raids

lol

Guild Wars doesn't even have an addon API and still has this shit and it's not even against TOS

Now everyone is forced to push the auto-combat button.

blizzard died a long long time ago before the blizzard and before the snow RIP BLIZZARD north

Basically, Blizzard fucked up and made some classes way too fucking easy with their rotations compared to the other classes. Having a bullshit rotation shouldn't be the challenge, the boss mechanics should always be the real challenge because your rotation is always the same.

That dude is retarded. They've had BigWigs and DBM for YEARS yelling at people to get out of shit because they're too retarded to do it themselves. Can't forget about WeakAuras either which can do even MORE than DBM and BigWigs. Healbot and voodoo for healing scrubs.

Terra was better than guild wars

there's basically an arms race between encounter designers and addon developers.
designers make a mechanic, addon developers solve it with an addon. especially addons like weakaura are incredibly powerful. race to world first guilds even have their own dedicated code monkeys that write weakauras for them to solve certain bosses
combat addons have been a problem for a long time and this is probably blizzard saying enough cause it really got out of hand

Imagine there's a ton of mechanics like Ultima Ultimate's gaols that require an inhuman level of coordination in a retardedly small amount of time to avoid a wipe

>changing mage specs per fight

correct

>when each spec has a different stat priority

gear is suddenly hard to get now??? how bad are you?

>when every boss in the raid has the same damage profile

What does this even mean? You spec change on boss behavior. If I can cannon I am not playing frost for example.

You truly are a grey parsing esl.

I liked MRP when I still played. I didn't bother with anything else though.

blizzard fucked up by hiring activists

some classes way too easy

meanwhile

The hard mode boss they just released a few months ago was definitely harder than any of the bosses in the WoW raid. The DPS check is nearly impossible even when the whole raid is class stacking and has full BiS gear.

What? LFR players don't use addons to begin with

This. The entire thing is irritating and its definitely been a culture shift. Wow used to be called the casual mmo. Now we have these sweating retards yelling at you over nothing and willing to ignore mechanics just to parse better.

I would say to look at fflogs and warcraftlogs to see just how many are, but considering warcraftlogs soon won't function because addons can't access the combat log, lol. lmao.

No, even worse: they use them, but ignore it or royally fuck up mechanics while thinking they're doing it properly

I'm saying compare sub rogue to a ret pally. My main is a sub rogue.

Having to install addons because your UI is bullshit is not such a great thing

I played WoW from Vanilla to the end of Legion. I used to work for a pre-WoW MMORPG. This is a categorically stupid decision, if they don't massively overhaul other content. Some of it is fixes to their own problems like the

Okay we'll just make hidden auras and shit

Oh, the players now make an addon to reveal their effects etc Yes thiss was dumb of us to even try.

but other things like

Oh addons can't monitor raid buffs

is massively stupid. This will completely fucking undermine even things not related to raids or other bullshit. RP mods for instance, especially comprehensive ones like TotalRP have to do with both custom channel content, custom fields/tooltips, custom output/strings, rendering shit in the game world etc. ..and if they purge all that just to make it so that their shitty minmaxing raid faggotry is "fixed" (ie broken in another way), they can go right to hell.

For fuck's sake they're going to be adding RP shit like custom housing finally, and they shoot mods like TotalRP , MyRoleplay and others because of this shit? RP players who make their own fun (go look at totalRP or whatever its up to now . Used to be TotalRP3. Seems it still is) are a big demographic of people who actually stick around in the game outside of whatever raid chaser bullshit is being grindy this week. Look at - github.com/Total-RP/Total-RP-3 - click on the TotalRP3 Extended bit for even more in depth stuff. Custom languages, custom items / buffs / factions / rep that only exist to those who are using the mods etc. There's a geocaching system so you can be out in the world fucking around and find that some player left a quest-starting custom bauble on the ground that you see because you're flagged properly etc. If all this gets pissed away , one of their most devoted potential playerbases will fuck off and leave and they'll have nothing to blame but themselves

UI addons, RP addons are still fair game. they will restrict only combat addons like weakauras, DBM etc

I dont get it, why people would still play retail lmao

Didn't they just add a button that plays the game for you?

because its a different form of fun than classic? retail is faster and more intense. classic is way slower.

its a fun flawed game

Some people actually like it, on top of the sunk cost fallacy.

They built the UI with a baseline of functionality and told people straight up: mod the UI if there's parts of it that don't match what you want. Which is remaining, they're shutting down in-combat addons which is what people have issues with.

If people want to make Gundam UIs, go for it, but they want people to do the encounters as intended and want people who don't use addons to have a chance at completing them.

almost 20 years too late

playing wow without the auction addon

This is a categorically stupid decision, if they don't massively overhaul other content

Wow, guess I can stop reading your post here because it was said in the interview that they're doing just that.

It's ok, you can stop your little larp. It has been clear you do not play retail at even a decent level.

disabling in-combat addons

Unacceptable, we would lose too much SOVL

youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=HIGwkfFzwOc

COMBAT addons

Read ops pic anon. its combat addons.

Based bald manlet

They spent $600 on tokens for the Brutosaur mount. Do you expect them to just walk away?

FFXIV is kind enough to split things like debuff based mechanics in to support vs. dps, i.e. if supports get debuff A then DPS will get debuff B, etc, and you can solve mechanics from there once you know what you have. You can use this knowledge to determine positions in advance. This is why stuff like pre-assigning light parties is so common and almost always works as expected when debuffs start going out.

In WoW a lot of hard debuff based mechanics are completely random and you can't solve them in your head fast enough, especially not on all 20 players. So you have addons do it for you, telling you where to go, who to partner with, etc.

I can think of two simple ways off the top of my head to defeat that, and I'm not going to say them out loud because I'm going to implement them if need be. I'll not be helping Blizzard to make my life more miserable.

Oh I'm so glad you trust them to get it perfect. Not like they didn't do this literally more than a decade ago already fucking TWICE (possibly more times if you consider a smaller overhaul)

Classic raids notably Naxx where certain encounters were basically undoable without mods and back when Decursive was a one button

WoD where they stopped mods from drawing shit on the ground. They had to fix some of Gul'Dan / Archimonde fight

before that Cata overhaul, and WotlK overhaul

They've fucked with addons before and its alwys involved some degree of having to mess with the API and in some cases, previous encounters. Some of the things they're talking about now are far wider reaching and unless they totally overhaul the API and game encounters, it will have a lot of unintended effects.

this comes down to if they make encounters less cancerous. if they take out dbm and weakauras and actually design sane encounters where you can understand what's happening visually, then this is a huge win. if they continue to design visual clusterfucks, it's just cancer.

FFXIV WON AND WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG IN BANNING ADDONS

I'm waiting for WoW players to realize this means DPS meters won't work. That's when I think they're going to start flipping out and crying.

You didn't even read the interview, fuck off you boomer faggot

Have you been living under a rock? All the skill rotations now have an auto button so the game plays itself for you. Blizztrannies kept giving the excuse

"well ackhually no good player would use it because its 0.2 second slower than my addons. So autoplay button is a good design idea."

Well now everyone has to use the autoplay button. Blizzard now encourages everyone to put a tape on a keyboard button and take a nap when raiding.

d actually design sane encounters where you can understand what's happening visually

did you play this recent patch? They changed a ton of the visual signs on effects. Soaks vs avoids for instance.
good. parsers are cancer and wipe raids because they refuse to do mechanics.

holy i want to be an inflated sex doll

imagine that WoW had actual healing mechanics so you want to see your party member's CDs

NuBlizzard is building dps meters into base game itself so the cancerous players still will stand in the fire to parse

Should've happened a decade ago

that's the plan. change how they design encounters and then slowly phase out these addons

I’m still playing mop classic

troll trannies chop off their tusks

is this a parody?

i don't see how what i said has anything to do with that

no, if they improved visuals that's a big win in my book. i've been playing classic, retail just isn't fun for me atm.

then i think this is a positive step for the game

Where FF14 leads, WOW follows.

i don't see how what i said has anything to do with that

Point was they won't make encounters less cancerous. They just make the game play itself instead.

Sounds like badly designed mechanics more than anything. Is it meant to be that difficult by design, or do the devs just expect players to have an auto-solve addon by this point?

soaks have had a standardized visual for almost 9 years now RETARD. It was changed in early legion

If you're talking about WoW, then yes, designers make encounters with the idea that players will use addons. Which is what has lead to this arms race of mechanics getting more and more punishing and complex to natural players and them even designing some mechanics that couldn't be detected by addons (which eventually got detected)

Who cares? WoW is dead lol.

Albey Dungeon

I miss Mabinogi

and trannies who just want pet battles

hell yeah brother
i loved the pet battle system until i realized none of it matters if you don't have the $800 blizzcon murlocs that oneshot everything

I'm happy I never started/

Pic related directly from the article.

Not being able to track other people's cooldowns or group abilities, interact with frames (like nameplates) and other shit just listed here alone will completely fuck over unrelated addons like RP focused ones.

but but they'll only make it COMBAT related

The amount of addon things that have been fucked up over the years because of things like secure frames and changes to the API during combat have ruined or required fucked up workarounds. Oh if this is too TL;DR for the zoomer mind, then just fuck off and die in a fire.

Who cares? WoW is dead lol.

Sadly, WoW isn't going anywhere for a long fuckin time

making changes that only fftroons who don't play the game have been requesting in bad faith

That seems idiotic but ok

Yes, it is terrible design, but it also comes with the territory of 20 man raids and non-standard raid compositions.

And like this anon said, it's an arms race of developers vs. addon creators.

WoW has always had huge addon integration. FFXIV "addons" are a grey area and are more akin to hacking the client, whereas WoW has actual lua scripting available since day 1 and they WANT you to modify the UI (so they don't have to do anything themselves).

playing WoW

it'll do nothing
big guild will have codemonkey making special cheats that parse combat text and game states to display the same shit the weak auras and addons did before
only difference this time is its gonna be hidden from sight so the plebs will wipe 24/7 on new bosses while the top 5 guilds worldwides will progress ez pz

This. Holy shit, who the fuck still plays this game in 2025?

WoW

based but I'm still not coming back
I want anyone reading this to know if they've ever downloaded DBM or BigWigs they are human garbage.

Nice, only about 18 years too late, but hey, surely better late than never right?

XIVvies ACTing like they're innocent and pure

lol
lmao

they said that. cosmetic addons, RP addons, AH addons, gathering addons, quest helpers won't be affected

because its 0.2 second slower than my addons

now everyone has to use the autoplay button

so you are just angry that its an official feature now instead of being part of an addon?

rotations are fucking retarded and insanely complicated

Luckily they're implementing a single button rotation so you don't even have to think about it anymore.

RP addons use addon messages, and if addon messages are allowed people can just make addons that send the relevant information to other players via addon messages (even if the receiving player's own client doesn't provide the information). Ion is a retard who has no idea what he is talking about. These changes they suggest will break basically every addon otherwise there will always be workarounds.

I mean if it really comes down to it, addons would just have an out of game master server host that passes information through that. Or even guilds would just host a private instance that shares info between their addons.

This whole thing is a losing battle without retooling the client and resorting to draconian kernel level anti-cheats. And even then it's still an arms race.

It's gay in the sense that the game should better communicate to the player what's happening at any given moment, but not gay for the players to use add-ons to facilitate said communication.

they already said that those will be unaffected anon
idk why you want to argue

He said they're building this stuff into the base UI and it will only affect shit while in combat. You haven't even played the game since an expansion that came out nearly a decade ago. So much has changed and improved since Dragonflight.

You're making up shit and saying "YEAH WELL IF *THIS THING* HAPPENS THEN IT'S GOING TO BE BROKEN" as if it's already happened.

Ok, but it's impossible for them to not be affected otherwise nothing they are doing matters due to workarounds. I've made addons with like 500k downloads I know how the addon API works

you know better than the ones controlling the APIs? lol

I've been playing the old Warcrafts cause Ive played wow on and off and I really love all the lore and stories, the legion, Draenor, elementals, void, everything and anything.
I finished Warcraft 1, and am on BtDP in 2, moving onto 3 after, going to do every campaign for that. What books should I get? I've heard that there are a few "essential" books but I'm not sure what they are.
as a bonus question, what would be the best way to play through every expansion. I want to legitimately do every side quest, explore every zone, so everything, vanilla to tbc to wotlk, all the way up through War Within. Could a retail character do that? Does the chromie stuff in retail let me fully experience an expansion? Or are even the old expansions Reduxed because of Cata?

Only matters if they ban WeakAuras. Look at this retarded shit. This is an unedited screenshot of a professional WoW PvP players UI, in what universe is this good for the game?

When was the last time you touched the API? A decade ago?

See the anon below
Thank you, an anon with some sense.

building it into the base UI

When all the functions of TotalRP3 are in the base UI, just to start, you can talk to me. Until then, you're defending this company for unknown reasons.

and claiming that Dragonflight fixed everything, when this is apparently not just an issue, but a bad enough one they feel the need to make yet another change of this type, I'd call that skeptical to say the least. They've done this kind of shit before, and it always had unintended consequences. The degree that things remained shitty or not had to do with how pigheaded Blizz was about realizing they were doing surgery with a hacksaw and then wondering why people were complaining.

killing PvP addons

like PvP isn't dead enough as it is

If encounters are designed 100% with add-ons in mind- and they were/are for years- and so weakauras and DBM etc literally telling you exactly where to stand/when to swap/etc was not just expected but REQUIRED by Blizzard to progress at the highest level of play, then there's not really anything wrong with removing the add-ons and then also removing the bullshit mechanics that literally require an add-on to solve.

Now, the actual question is whether or not Blizzard will actually follow through properly with the new paradigm of encounter design. There's plenty of games without add-ons who still manage to have fun boss fights with mechanics you can learn and coordinate without needing a dozen weakauras. My expectation for modern blizzard though is they'll remove both the necessary shit as well as just general QOL stuff, add in half the necessary shit and none of the QOL, and then if people whine will just nerf bosses until they're so easy you could play then with your HUD turned off or backtrack once some world first racer faggots yell about it

All addons should be banned in MMORPGs. Some add conveniences that were never intended, while others allow blatant cheating.
WoW and Runescape have been ruined because of addons and custom clients.

never played wow, but it seems retarded to suddenly ban something that's been an integral part of the game for over a decade

At this point it's a heroin addict getting clean. It's gonna be painful and messy, but the outcome if it survives will be worth it.

Kill yourself.

There are barely any WAs there though
most of this is just nameplates and unitframes with a bunch of buffs/debuffs on it

its not sudden. will take time

The QoL stuff like allowing you to alert your cotank after X amount of debuffs are applied or defensive cooldowns rotation planners seem so simple it's stupid they're not officially in the game yet
Shit like jailer bombs or dreadlord amogus are fucking retarded mechanics that never should have happened the way they did

this is the frist time where i agree modding should be banned, its insanely broken in world of warcraft i remember in retail there's was an addon that phess you into different servers so u can complete quests faster, how is that shit fair?

this is retarded because tank swaps SHOULDNT be taunt on X
They should be tanks taking as many as they can and taking as many stacks as they can
Raid tanking is insanely boring because theres nowhere to go once you can live the big hits

If you're saying it'll queue up logs that doesn't work either because discrepancy develops.

The retards really followed >pic to the rotten core.

This game died with Wrath, there is no way no one would continue playing outside watching it rot even more and cope that everything is fine like marcucks defending Marvel Comics and Post OMD Spider Man rn.

having someone invite you to a group is unfair

what level of retardation are you on

many original vanilla quests are gone because of cataclysm revamping or causing them to be deprecated but some new ones reference the originals or are a continuation of their story
however in recent years they fucked the leveling experience making it completely schizophrenic because

people whined they had to level through everything before getting to the relevant (current) content

all the lower level zones were dead and empty because they were not relevant

both of these things were the result of blizzards own design decisions so instead of trying to do anything to fix them, they created a timeline agnostic starting zone for new players and when they are done with that, they get dropped off during the current expac and they can explore old shit on their own time which is a huge mess of receiving urgent messages from characters youve never heard of
existing players could choose the old way but if this was your first time through, you HAD to do it the new way
even in the old way, there was fucked up timeline shit

start in cata-revamped vanilla zones so you technically started in cata era, went back in time for tbc-wotlk, then went forward to cata zones again

without playing vanilla you will miss some old important vanilla storylines like the stormwind masons guild plot
the biggest concern of exploring all the old zones is that you will quickly hit the level cap for those areas and spend a lot of time gaining trivial amounts of gold or xp and hit a weird speedbump where some quests require you to do dungeon or raid content that no one is doing anymore but that you cant do solo until you gain another 5-10 or so levels which would require you to move to the next expansions zones to level, then come back to do the raid stuff solo
if you still have your old account, you should be able to just do the old leveling and explore at your own pace, just keep wowhead open so you can troubleshoot broken quests or find obscure, hidden ones not marked with a ?

Well yeah ideally you'd be in perfect communication and be able to tell them swap now
Second best would be to have the option to alert them after you take a selectable amount of stacks

you're retarded none actually invites you, its automated, gives you advantage over non-addon users which quite literally cheating by definition

instead of trying to do anything to fix them, they created a timeline agnostic starting zone for new players

that is fixing it

you will miss some old important vanilla storylines like the stormwind masons guild plot

absolutely not important at all

When 11.1.5 came out... I made thousands of dollars from curseforge revenue it only takes changing a few lines a code every few months for free money

Ion doesn't have anything to do with the addon API. I don't think Ion knows how anything in the game works considering the retarded shit he says constantly.

he started as an encounter designer in wrath. his first work was fiddling with database entries and fixing bugs. he knows

Or you make them able to see the other tanks stacks and available CDs so they can judge themselves
in what fucking world is it better gameplay to have a plan to auto taunt at X stacks instead of responding dynamically

that is fixing it

you are insane if you think dropping players off ass deep in any of the recent expansions is remotely coherent

it does not give you an advantage, because you can just have a player invite you
its completely trivial to find someone to invite you automated or not, nothing changes

Might actually reinstall the game since XIV has no anti-cheat

no different than DKs going back to the old world and then outland instead of going after Arthas
or Blood Elves and Draenei running around in the old world doing events the draenei werent even on azeroth during

still playing WoW in 2025

You all deserve whatever perceived suffering you are getting.

its still by far the largest mmo on the market, honestly its still a probably top 10 overall game on PC in terms of playerbase, its huge.

this and the one button rotations are unironically the best thing to happen to this game in years. now that they're not firmly affixed to hardcore players' cocks they might actually be able to bring in new players.

I'm still fucking around in classic and taking my time on the road to 60. It's just a nice comfort game to play when I don't feel like focusing too hard on what I'm playing. Server's a little quieter now, which is sad. But it'll probably pick up again when it moves onto TBC.

or Blood Elves and Draenei running around in the old world doing events the draenei werent even on azeroth during

Cata revamped vanilla is post-TBC so this one checks out

10 years too fucking late
This game was a retarded addon arms race as early as MoP and probably earlier

I could spend like half an hour getting into this topic....

All i am going to say is, this is a step in the right direction, generally speaking. If you are new to the game and all these guilds are demanding you get install all these addons and they are treated as essential.... just fuck it, get rid of it. It's so off-putting. Just learn to play the game as it is. Should have been decided upon a long time ago.

definitely not top 10 including F2P games
WoW is massive given that you have to pay for the game, and a sub, and then rebuy an expansion every 2 years.
but F2P games just reach so much further with 3rd worlders on the internet

what i mean is, there is no nice escalation of events or logical throughline for a story in the new method, its like walking into the latest capeshit halfway through the runtime during the penultimate movie in the saga having never seen a capeshit movie before
confusing at best

raiders will now have to actually play the game instead of waiting for their addon to scream at them

WEE U WEE U WEE U

GET OUT OF THE FIRE

HONK HONK HONK

INSTANT DEATH ATTACK INCOMING, INTERRUPT

10 years too fucking late

I think you mean 20

Those are all probably going to be in the game base now

they arent disabling that. theyre just disabling any addons that tracked what abilities other people were using. this is mostly going to fuck over PvPers but only cutting edge mythic raiders ever used these sort of addons for maximum dps

Which will have you doing about 60% of your regular damage output. Why do you shitpost about games you've never played?

only combat addons, like dbm, weakauras, etc.

rotations were already mindless even without those addons though. They have nothing to do with the encounters themselves.

I meant during TBC when people playing the new races were leveling in old zones, which have stories predating draenei

there is no nice escalation of events or logical throughline for a story in the new method

Yes there is, within the individual expansion
if anything moving between expansions constantly broke a logical throughline
you went from fighting demons at the sunwell and shadowmoon valley to fighting grizzly bears in northrend
Going from Cata to MoP was even more nonsensical.

its like walking into the latest capeshit halfway through the runtime during the penultimate movie in the saga having never seen a capeshit movie before

confusing at best
well the story started in the RTS games so this was always the case

too late to fix this garbage but it is a step in a right direction.

lowering skillcap is a good thing

when did Anon Babble get filled with shitters

Baby steps

lowering

This is raising the skill cap because now you have to actually communicate with your group instead of just letting an automated script tell you everything

Addons and obtuse external information is faggotry.

If I can't learn how to succeed from in-game experiences and need some cock snorting e-celeb to tell me how to beat something, it's a bad fucking game and I should be refunded my entire sub at gunpoint if I have to.

In enough time they'll change it to be 100% optimized damager output so you can play WoW on mobile. This old piece of shit game will weed out every fatso who played it for the last 50 years into committing mass suicide.

No, they won't. If anything they'll continue to nerf the easiest difficulties while keeping the rest of the game normal for the 10% of people who aren't retards.

I'll consider playing again if they remove vulpera, dracthyr and other undesirables from my horde

As long as they add some sort of content that people want, they'll eventually nerf something. Your entire experience will soon be bought out for cash shop microtransactions. I will paypig every mount and stupid cosmetic you fought for.

there is no scenario where you can have 20 people call out their cooldowns RETARD
now you wont be able to play around party resources at all

my thoughts exactly

gets rid of one of the few things that makes the game bearable

Why do you people even post in these threads. You have a higher chance of them referring animal dicks and knots in-canon than you have them removing anything.

The stupid faggots couldn't even get the bone colors right when they updated forsaken models. The faces that have exposed jaw bones don't match anything.

Been playing WoW for 20 years and never needed a gay addon.

Good thing most raids have a raid leader who calls out when people should use their cooldowns!

any nude Jainas trying tgoon

Hardcore players would rather gatekeep and burn their belovedly hated game into the ground before having "casuals" join their cesspool.

and that's a good thing

then maybe opening the game up to casuals will make them leave. even better.

This is good

and when any fight involves people managing cooldowns on the fly?
any fight where you cant set a scripted cooldown usage order you need to see peoples cooldowns to manage them retard
its important for tanks to see if there are externals available, or dps to see if things like rescue, bop, life grip, etc. are available

Maybe the DPS should actually you know
Play better? Instead of just staring at their bar on recount and expecting the healers to bail them out?
Maybe the tanks will have to make macros that will trigger raid warnings when they use their abilities or something? Maybe they'll have to have dedicated role leaders that will communicate on their behalf instead of 20 people screeching or a script telling them what to do?
Maybe they'll have to like...
work as a team or something? Like some kind of raid GROUP?

evaluating available externals is playing better you stupid nigger

having a giant spreadsheet on your screen that automatically tells you everything you need to do and everything your party has done is playing better

It's okay to admit you're bad at the game, anon

most likely a voodoo potion.
Loa magic.

Allowing addons is a slippery slope that leads to a playerbase reliant on them, like WoW
Love or hate it, FFXIV's stance on addons is the best.
Ultimately, if an add-on introduces a great QoL to the UI or something, it's nice when that QoL add-on is officially added to the game

What a fucking mess

Are you completely illiterate you subhuman nigger
in fights where there ISNT a script you need to see what cooldowns are available. If there is a script its predictable
And yes seeing whats available and planning around it is playing better
thats why good healers track their tanks resources

It'll pay off in 5 years, you'll see.

we love t1 here

Tyler1 is playing a version of the game that's so simple that everything can be easily done with zero addons. He is correct in the fact that it's pussy shit to need DBM to clear fucking Molten Core of all things.

Meanwhile just playing your class in retail requires some minor addon usage just to track certain buffs/debuffs in order to play them properly. The base UI is so garbage that players need 3rd party sources just to perform correctly at a basic level.

Well, a bit too late, a lot of good fights on WOTLK were ruined by addons and it took 15 years to try to fix? It was getting stupid, I just hope that this means that the game will get simpler, it's so annoying having to deal with horrible RNG on mythic fights (i.e mechanics falling in people that can't immune or just used a CD for a previous mechanic).

Kyle's character's cute bare feet...

havent played in few years rotations are complicated? kinda doubt

The game design is turning into an easy to get in but difficult to master.

Taken from us too soon

Love or hate it, FFXIV's stance on addons is the best.

Except every xivtroon uses plugins which are just addons but stronger.

Hate to spoil the fun, but the is no real horde anymore. Everyone is holding hands with the gay frogs.

He is correct in the fact that it's pussy shit to need DBM to clear fucking Molten Core of all things.

Rich coming from the guy who wiped half his group in that very raid.

If they listened to his calls they would have killed the boss before anyone died.

people used to make fun of TBC era bloated UI screenshots so nothing really changed since then. They need to start making wow 2 already
tab target is just abysmal for anything but 30 APM classic gameplay

How the fuck would making a sequel stop retards from downloading 20 addons to fuck their UI?

could've just said tyler1 you fucking shill faggot
but yes """needing""" mods/addons is fucking gay and a failure of game design

action oriented combat would help a lot. The reason why combat addons are so prevalent in the first place is because wows combat basically follows a flowchart

WoW cucking to the grifters during the SL drama sealed the deal. I fought for WoW before that but the minute they gave in to those FF14 coordinated attacks I stopped giving a shit. WoW can drown. Learn some fucking discipline next time and ban asmongold and bellular for their personal game dev civil war clickbait shit.

I just don't understand why they still haven't made interrupts aoe. I guess because of PvP subhumans? They can die in a fire for all I care

aoe interrupt is so overpowered for M+ that they had to gut the blood elf racial because of it.

Middle aged men who played it with their friends in the 00s and are still trying to chase that high while failing to realize why it's gone.

clearly the correct solution was giving everyone belf racial. When the main difficulty is fighting the UI you fucked up as a developer

all interrupts being aoe would suck ass in pvp. you would constantly be giving casters free procognetion

wowhead.com/spell=435321/cognitive-bloodstone

2025

playing wow

Good. Make the game easier also. The idea that WoW should be hard is retarded. It's a check-list collectathon, it should be piss-easy.

I agree that needing addons is gay (it's a pretty mundane opinion) but you are a tremendous faggot for bringing ecelebs into this and for making me give you a (You) because of it, fuck you

They straight up confirmed in an interview that fights will be designed easier with clearer to understand mechanics after removing combat addons.

So why are people complaining? Oh no! The game is going to be more fun! What a tragedy!

who cares about minigames lol

Because most don't know about that being the longterm plan. They see a youtube video or Anon Babble thread titled "WOW IS REMOVING ADDONS" and that's all they know about the subject.

game being braindead easy isnt fun
you are brown

I cant use a weakaura plugin to literally play my game for me up to and including automating CC and kicks

wahh pvp is finished

Good. Gonna see a lot of self declared "elite pvpers" vanish into the void once this is live.

This is true but WoW isn't fun anyway.

literally no addon can automate CC or kicks you retarded shitskin

"99% of our playerbase doesn't engage with the most difficult content we waste year creating"

t. every MMO publisher ever

You shit eating cringelords are dying out because people are waking up to the vocal minority scam. Nobody gives a fuck about impressing someone while playing a video game, just ugly asian boys in their early 20's and literally 50 world first raiders.

This is why Mythic Raiding exists, senpai.

oh nyooo, people will have to use their own reflexes to kick spells?! nyooooo!

and if theyre nerfing content which do you think is going to get nerfed?
Everything under mythic is already trivial and addons do nothing for it

Nobody gives a fuck about impressing someone while playing a video game

impressing people online is LITERALLY the sole reason mmos exist

everyone who actually plays the game is running hard content
casuals literally do not stay subbed and never will

I think Mythic Raiding has a lot of issues. Difficulty is one of them. Mythic Raiding should be FUN and difficult.

Tyler is a faggot

it is fun
you arent good at the game, so difficulty upsets you

What do the combat addons even do? I've played WoW on and off for several months and the closest "cheating" addon I've seen is the GTFO addon and the one that tells you what the boss will do just a little before they actually do it

Casuals do not actually exist in WoW, not anymore. There is literally nothing to do if you aren't running the hard content.

you arent good at the game, so difficulty upsets you

This. Back in Shadowlands I rememeber going after specific pet challenges only to find out the best way to complete them involved using con exclusive pets that are not possible to get anyway. Now add that to every other collection aspect of the game and the "is it too late to start WoW?" meme is not a meme anymore.

so difficulty upsets you

No, what upsets me more is the addon dependence. You shouldn't need an addon that tells you all the information during the fight. Raiding should be instinctive and possible to defeat without 3rd party addons.

he doesn't know

they never did
the churn of players in the early days was insane, millions were quitting every year, they were just replaced by millions trying it out

There isnt a single addon that can kick for you

ask yourself--WHY does the game need this button?

because rotations are now complex enough that bottom of the barrel players might actually be more efficient at 60% output. You aren't beating anything but LFR shit with this though.

You dont, all the information is there
Again, if you werent shit at the game you would know this
People use addons to optimize, and no amount of baseline information will ever remove the benefit of optimizing that information

he doesn't know

pretending to be retarded

every time

Some do, I do not. I just know the sub price. I do give my prime sub away but I also use ad block which is hit or miss lately.

You're trying to make it sound like the difference between addon and non-addon users is like haves and have-nots in real life. Addons are free of charge and publically avaiable. Anytime some ass tries to charge money for their addon the entire community comes toghether to jump them and put up his paid addon on elitepvpers to send the message.

Fun fact: it comes with a slider in the WA configuration that allows you to pick a random cast% between 30 and 80% to kick.

There's another for Rogues that auto-uses Blind on the nearest Polymorphed, Feared or Sapped target without taking you off your current target. Pairs great with the one for Mages that does the same for Blinded, Feared or Sapped targets. Also doesnt change you off your current target. You just hit the hotkey.

Well said. Very based

I know that Blizzard has recently made steps in the right direction regarding fights. The swirlies for example, they are obvious now which is great. But Mythic Raiding is still not accessible enough for most players. It shouldn't be this way. Mythic Raiding should exist, but it should not be such a hurdle.

None of that is doable in the addon API retard
You have no idea what youre talking about, stop speaking

More like over a decade ago.

Gearscore ruined the whole game back in Bitchking times. Haven't played since tho

addons are one of the best parts of WoW, glad I don't play this piece of faggot-infested shit anymore
couldn't have said it better myself. based.

WoW had addons since day 1.

most people are irredeemably dogshit at the game, any remotely challenging content wont be for most players

It shouldn't be this way

Yes it should, its for people who actually play the game, not those who eat glue as a hobby

Oh, and there's a UI overlay that goes with them that will put an Icon over the top of targets that are CC'd. It places the Icon completely over their character and it is so massive Stevie Wonder can see it. It also has a counrer showing remaining duration. It does more fun stuff too.

If you spin your camera, the CC Icon appears on the side of your screen - keeping the counter. It is lined in green if they are within range for the next CC in the chain or lined in red if they are not. It literally plays an airhorn any time a CC is trinketed.

I might have cared if they removed questie and other bot-tier addons back when classic first came out

If you say so.

3rd worlders arent human so they dont count
Then again neither are WoW or XIV players

Surely we can have difficulty that doesn't alienate 90% of the player base?

mythic raiding is an extreme endgame challenge for absolute nolifers, it literally shouldn't be for anyone

making a debuff big and obvious is the same as automatically CCing for you

just how retarded are you

Well maybe they will make a proper UI now.
Pfffttt hahahaha!

he cant read

No addon for that one, unfortunately.

It's very important that Mythic Raiding exists. Otherwise the players have nothing to strive for and quit the game. It happened to XIV.

it literally could be removed from the game and 99% of regular players wouldn't notice

youtube.com/watch?v=9MNFWhCw8dg

Yes it would because it offers the best gear in the game. Players care very much for their gear and strive to get better gear every season. Mythic Raiding offers the best but requires the most skill. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but in my opinion, it could be less difficult and more fun.

the game has become an amorphous mass of timelines and characters that no employee can keep track of, so their way of "fixing it" is simply ignoring it. you are retarded if you think thats actually a solution that gamers want. its a fucking MMO

sure

It's very important that Mythic Raiding exists. Otherwise the players have nothing to strive for and quit the game.

ahahaha
They all quit the game before raiding anyway

based, fuck parasocial sheep

none of those people stay with games to begin with
stop chasing a nonexistent audience. Casuals do not play video games long term, they buy them and play a few hours before moving on

Players care very much for their gear and strive to get better gear every season.

NO THEY DONT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GEAR ONLY FACILITATES MORE RAIDING
IT'S LITERALLY JUST THE GEAR YOU HAD BEFORE BUT WITH SLIGHTLY HIGHER NUMBERS
NOBODY GIVES A FUCK THAT'S WHY THE GAME IS DEAD
NOBODY CARES ABOUT RAIDING NOBODY CARES ABOUT SHITTY STAT STICK LOOT YOU MONGOLOID

those addons were the reason I stopped pvping like a decade ago

none of those people stay with games to begin with

No, they stay with the game until it becomes boring (raiding)

why are you linking someone completely dogshit at the game lmao
Kungen is literally incapable of handling normal raid modes in retail

are you fucking retarded? there is a difficulty that doesn't alienate 90% of the playerbase. it's called heroic.

What does Anon Babble think about this major changes?

The knife finally reached bone for them, meaning that they got cornered with no escape and had to start fighting.

MMORPGs were better back when they were actually social and promoted guild and friendship formation because it was more accessible to a vast majority of people. Molten Core and BWL, Onyxia were the standard and goldilocks zone for difficulty which created the success of TBC when the sweats and poopsocking began, only to end with Wrath overcompensating for that difficulty and turning character progression into a loot piñata which hurt the game in the long run.

Start making content that isn't as difficult anymore, drop the "muh skillz" crowd and make the game more accessible because it cannot work any other way, this is an arms race between developers and addon creators which is sustainable when you have competent devs with plenty of energy but becomes cumbersome when you lose brain power and all you're left with is multi colored thigh length sock enthusiasts.

ur just bad huhuhuh

lmao not an argument, the game is fucking dead, wake the fuck up

No they dont
The majority of people didnt even hit cap pre-cata, thats why blizzard revamped and sped up leveling. Casuals DO NOT PLAY GAMES

Raiding is not dead. Come on. Be serious.

This is why I only play old school RuneScape.
They'd never do something as retarded as remove runelite lmao

Yeah but see this
Players want the BEST gear. Players cannot handle Mythic. They just seethe and do the best they can, and then they call for Mythic Raiding to be removed entirely.

They used to play wow, but now they don't because all it is is raiding. Nobody gives a fuck about raiding, except you and a handful of other autists who don't have any real achievements in their lives. The WoW player base has shrunk by 90% because 90% of people who would play wow just do not give a fuck about raids.

they already do this and already have hekili and maxdps installed

MMO stops making the most difficulty it has

1% of the population quits (raidtrannies and parsetrannies)

devs no longer have no waste time making 10 difficulties of everything

the 99% of the population is happy

Name ONE downside of all the "muh hardcore difficulty" players quitting any MMO would have.

based

nothing
you could ban the top 1% players every month from online games and the world would be a massively improved place to live

They did not, they dabbled and then moved on to the next flavor of the month

because 90% of people who would play wow just do not give a fuck about raids.

Nobody who wants to play an MMO longterm is going to avoid the large group content

Raiding is not dead.

LOOOL
LMAO
WOW IS DEAD
RAIDING LIVES ON FOR A SMALL GROUP OF LOSERS WHO HAVE NOTHING ELSE IN THEIR LIVES
THE 10 MILLION PEOPLE WHO USED TO PLAY WOW DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT RAIDS AND HAVE QUIT
THE GAME SHOULD NOT CATER TO YOU
THE DEVS SHOULD NOT CATER TO YOU
THE SHAREHOLDERS SHOULD NOT CATER TO YOU
YOU ARE POISON FOR PROFITS
YOU ARE THE MARKET NOBODY WANTS

so what was up a few years back it seemed like every company had some kind of horrendous controversy going, especially MMO devs it was just a big deluge of drama

Filthy fucking WoWfag coming out of hiding for some Trvkes. The addon crackdown is actually because of the folowing three things:

You can slightly alter a reporting addon to mass report anyone on any realm regardless of your location or theirs and guarantee a two-week suspension at minimum because it only takes ten reports for the automated system to go off. Changs, BRs, and RMT niggers are specifically trigger happy with it as you'd expect and it's made PVP queuing a dice roll for your right to play the game

Also PVP related, aspies sharing home-grown addons amongst their guilds/communities to rig PVP queues, namely BGs, by scanning and calculating if the enemy faction they got queued against would be anything besides a roflstomp and mass-leacing the premade if so

DPS meter/cooldown trackers like Luxthos, Details, Hekili etc. are starting to crack in conjunction with the raw pressure of just how much fucking facerolling a typical retail rotation is, a lot of complaints about 11.1 were on the technical side and it was expressly because a lot of machines can't spare resources for both the newest content and the three ultra resource sink addons DBM/bigwigs, Details, and WA (bonus points for Blizzard being retards and fucking with how addons are processed in 11.1.5 which bottlenecks shit even harder)

The emphasis on boss timers/rotation helpers is a smokescreen because "these have made the game objectively shittier due to our own negligence and ineptitude" isn't PR-friendly. This is the way to go no matter how much redditors cry about having to actually put in focus to the game now.

the male feminists turned out to be bad people

Don't trolls regenerate body parts?

They did not, they dabbled and then moved on to the next flavor of the month

AHAHAHAHA
the number of players wow had increased from vanilla to over 10 million in wotlk
these people obviously did not move on (until the game became shit that is)

Nobody who wants to play an MMO longterm is going to avoid the large group content

The large group content is the outdoor rpg world where you interact with thousands of people at once, not the instanced raids full of antisocial autists on discord.

Based and TRVTH NVKE

Also PVP related, aspies sharing home-grown addons amongst their guilds/communities to rig PVP queues, namely BGs, by scanning and calculating if the enemy faction they got queued against would be anything besides a roflstomp and mass-leacing the premade if so

The type of addons they are blocking sadly doesn't include this shit

sounds like the fundamental game design is cooked

honestly the biggest problem with MMO's isn't the endgame content being inaccessible
it's the entire rest of the game being braindead easy, literally chinese mobile game tier

compare classic to retail, you don't have to put ANY effort in retail until level 100+ whatever is the cap nowadays
meanwhile classic maintains a consistent balance throughout the entire game

this is honestly just another symptom of raiding, people need to be able to skip the early game content to re-roll characters easily for raiding, so it's made extremely easy, ruining it for regular players

I dont know how to explain this to your rotten little brain
The majority of people were not long term players at any point
When there were 10m monthly subs millions of them were new players that were going to quit after a month or two and get replaced by millions more
WoW went through over 100m accounts in its early days. 90%+ of them were never sticking around for even a few months and most played so little they didnt even hit cap

these people obviously did not move on (until the game became shit that is)

YES THEY DID YOU STUPID NIGGER
Probably 40-50 million had already quit WoW by the time Wrath rolled around. The retention was dogshit, utterly abysmal and prompted all the changes and accelerated leveling they rolled out in a desperate attempt to retain the casuals that picked up the game for a month or 2 then dropped

not the instanced raids full of antisocial autists on discord.

People in a chat talking to each other arent antisocial
zerging down some garbage in the world without saying a word is antisocial

consistently being braindead isnt a good thing

people need to be able to skip the early game content to re-roll characters easily for raiding

no you dont retard

most played so little they didnt even hit cap

hitting cap was easily hundreds of hours back then m8, especially if you had a few alts

I am saying WHY modern mmo's are made braindead easy, I am not saying it's a good thing
retard

None of this is true
If they were worried about mass reporting with addons they could instantly remove the API functions that let addons report at all, without it impacting anything else. They did this for addons sending mail before
pvp doesnt matter, and random BG pvp definitely doesnt matter.Queue sniping/doding for RBGs and Arena for that matter is done without addons
Addon memory is negligible on any modern PC.

I'm 100% convinced the raid/rotation ones are a first step so people will complain less once they go scorched earth. They already have a history of going after them to lesser extents over the years (AH automators and World Quest Group Finder off the top of my head) and the former categories are ALWAYS the ones people sweat over first when the whispers of a culling start.

he retention was dogshit, utterly abysmal and prompted all the changes and accelerated leveling they rolled out in a desperate attempt to retain the casuals that picked up the game for a month or 2 then dropped

THEY DID THIS AT THE END OF WOTLK WHEN THE GAME STARTED TO DIE YOU IDIOT

"CASUALS" WERE ALREADY FED UP FROM 2 EXPANSIONS OF NOTHING BUT RAIDING

zerging down some garbage in the world without saying a word is antisocial

HOLY SHIT YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED
NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT WORLD BOSSES
THEYRE TALKING ABOUT OPEN WORLD CONTENT, THE LEVELLING
PEOPLE STAY FOR THE LEVELLING PHASE, THEY QUIT FOR THE RAIDING PHASE BECAUSE NOBODY
CARES
ABOUT
RAIDING

THE PROOF IS IN THE CURRENT NUMBER OF PLAYERS
THE PROOF IS IN THE SUCCESS OF CLASSIC WOW AND VANILLA PRIVATE SERVERS
YOU TELL YOURSELF THESE LIES WHILE HIDING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND
NOBODY GIVES 2 FUCKS ABOUT YOUR SHITTY RAIDING MINIGAME THEY WOULD RATHER PLAY GACHA THAN RAID IN WOW

If they aren't playing long enough to hit cap they aren't playing long term period
Not hitting cap after 6 months just means you weren't logging in. Or more obviously blizzard wasn't retaining those people for more than a few months

If they were worried about mass reporting with addons they could instantly remove the API functions that let addons report at all,

They're pulling the "Nothing happened in Tiananmen Square" schtick with it because the alternative is having to hire actual GMs instead of call center jeets or AI. They've been vehemently denying it for as long as it's been a problem even when forum testimonies point to the contrary more and more over time.

pvp doesnt matter, and random BG pvp definitely doesnt matter

True but irrelevant, the point is its another avenue for fags to abuse the right to have nice things.

you have literally no proof that the majority of people arent hitting cap or any proof that you couldnt retain these people under any circumstancces

Why are you even arguing? The numbers speak for themselves. 95% of the original vanilla audience didn't even step foot in Naxx.

THEY DID THIS AT THE END OF WOTLK

They sped up leveling over and over before Cata. Retention was ass from day 1

THEYRE TALKING ABOUT OPEN WORLD CONTENT, THE LEVELLING

So stuff thats even more antisocial

PEOPLE STAY FOR THE LEVELLING PHASE

Except if this was true the majority of players would have hit cap
But that didn't happen, they quit while leveling

THE PROOF IS IN THE CURRENT NUMBER OF PLAYERS

Much higher than it would be if it was leveling garbage. See shit like GW2

THE PROOF IS IN THE SUCCESS OF CLASSIC WOW AND VANILLA PRIVATE SERVERS

Classic is dead as fuck. Cataclysm is the most popular version lmao
Much like in 2004 classic couldn't retain players

Blizzard said the reason they revamped the world was because most players were quitting early in leveling (due to it being dogshit)

The numbers speak for themselves.

Yes, 100m accounts in the first few expacs but peaking at 10m subs means 90% of people quit. Is 10% retention good by your standards?

95% of the original vanilla audience didn't even step foot in Naxx.

Again, the overwhelming majority of accounts were only around for 1-3 months.

Retention was ass from day 1

You literally have no idea what you're talking about, just making shit up.

So stuff thats even more antisocial

Except it's not. You didn't play vanilla though so you wouldn't know.

But that didn't happen, they quit while leveling

Prove it

Much higher than it would be if it was leveling garbage. See shit like GW2

WoW's success was based heavily on it being the Warcraft franchise. Other MMOs failed simply because they are not Warcraft.

Classic is dead as fuck. Cataclysm is the most popular version lmao

There's 5 versions of classic and several private servers. Nobody gives 2 fucks about retail. Nobody even talks about it. There aren't even any threads about it here. In 20 years who's going to ask "where are the WoD private servers"? Nobody, that's who

Much like in 2004 classic couldn't retain players

It retained and grew in playerbase until 2007, this is not up for debate you spastic retailcuck. Face it, your tranny game is dead and nobody gives a fuck about raiding.

Funny enough FFXIV mobile seems to be cutting on button bloat to make the game playable on mobile. I think the Meelee DPS all got their 1-2-3 just packed into a single button like PCT in the actual game
God I fucking hope they implement at least SOME of the shit from Mobile into the actual game

don't forget WOW actually made the game more forgiving and accessible than other mmo's at the time, most MMO's had some form of negative progression for dying, wow has repair costs and that's it, you can die as much as you want.

Blizzard said the reason they revamped the world was because most players were quitting early in leveling (due to it being dogshit)

Most players were quitting early in levelling because 2 expansions of nothing but raiding had made the game feel pointless and there were no new people coming in to make the open game world feel alive.

So your argument is that the game had only 10% retention therefore that was because of raiding, the thing that nobody did?

They've already said they won't be touching cosmetic addons. It's only combat addons so they can stop designing fights so insanely difficult.

Blizzards own statements prove it
They said the majority quit while leveling, thats a fact. Leveling cannot retain the majority of new players

5 versions of classic

Era is dead
Hardcore is dead
SoD is dead
Anni is dying
Cata is dying but still the most popular

pservers

ESLs who can't afford WoW, completely irrelevant
Retail is magnitudes more popular than all of classic combined

It retained and grew in playerbase until 2007

It did not, it lost millions of players every year. Replacing them with other transient new players is not retention

statements

why are the mentally ill so obsessed with "statements"? when they can't see what's in front of their own eyes?

remember this "statement"?
"statements" are worthless lies.

that alone would remove the sub 20 fps 1% lows and put the average way above 120 on even shitty hardware

come home white man

They said the majority quit while leveling, thats a fact. Leveling cannot retain the majority of new players

You know people who quit while levelling didn't even raid at all? This is not an argument in favor of raiding.

It did not, it lost millions of players every year.

Are you fucking retarded?
subs grew from vanilla to wotlk, this is not up for debate.

Replacing them with other transient new players is not retention

lmao you have no idea who is who, this is just retarded speculation on your part.

New players were quitting because of endgame they had never seen and the expansion before they started playing?
Are you retarded? Genuinely asking

and there were no new people coming in to make the open game world feel alive.

There were a ton of new players coming in never mind long term players leveling alts.
They quit because leveling is boring dogshit and because they never had real interest in MMOs, just wanted to see what all the hype was about

He was literally right, as proven by the fact that Cata classic is beating all other versions

New players were quitting because of endgame they had never seen and the expansion before they started playing?

I just told you why. They go out into the game world and they see it empty. Why is it empty? Because everyone is is a lvl 70 parked in Dalaran.

He was literally right, as proven by the fact that Cata classic is beating all other versions

LOL
LMAO
HOLY SHIT YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS

he was literally wrong
nu-wow is antisocial and classic made people make friends with randos again

subs grew from vanilla to wotlk

That doesnt mean people weren't quitting you retarded subhuman

this is just retarded speculation on your part.

Its not speculation. Millions had to be leaving and getting replaced to make the numbers work
Millions had to be joining to make 100m accounts
Millions also had to be leaving to make subs peak out at 1/10th of total accounts
How can you not do basic math

He was proven right
Classic died off

>subs grew from vanilla to wotlk

That doesnt mean people weren't quitting you retarded subhuman

Anon
If I put 15 apples in a basket, and you take 5
Does the basket have more apples in it than before I put any in there?

Millions had to be joining

when the game was good

Millions also had to be leaving

when they made the game bad

20 people with 100000 hours are more important than 100 million people with 100 hours

enjoy your dead game retard!

because they fucked it up

Classic population data is all readily available
And retail is crushing both

retail died off 15 years ago
classic was re-released by popular demand

Classic population data is all readily available

go on then
post it

If im taking your apples you aren't retaining them, it's that simple.

If the number if apples is going up, yes you are retaining them