So Altmer want to destroy reality to become spirits again?

So Altmer want to destroy reality to become spirits again?

I like how everyone implicitly thinks that Lorkhan did the right thing by subjecting beings to material existence.
What if he didn't fuckos, and all of this suffering really is just pointless?

Lorkhan is the Spirit of Nirn, the god of all mortals. This does not mean all mortals necessarily like him or even know him. Most elves hate him, thinking creation as that act which sundered them from the spirit realm. Most Humans revere him, or aspects of him, as the herald of existence. The creation of the Mortal Plane, the Mundus, Nirn, is a source of mental anguish to all living things; all souls know deep down they came originally from somewhere else, and that Nirn is a cruel and crucial step to what comes next. What is this next? Some wish to return to the original state, the spirit realm, and think that Lorkhan is the Demon that hinders their way; to them Nirn is a prison, an illusion to escape. Others think that Lorkhan created the world as the testing ground for transcendence; to them the spirit realm was already a prison, and that true escape is now finally possible.

CHIMs you out of existence my fucking mind

Shut the fuck up BITCH *dragon shouts u*

dovahkhin was altmer

ayleids lost

How many eyes have you poked out with those ears of yours?

Wouldn't the Aelves not even exist if not for Lorkhan? It's not like spirits were fucking each other and giving birth in Oblivion.

So Cuckbride was reading Gnostics texts as well?

aetherius is fucking BORING. So what if you suffer and die? You still get an afterlife.

Spirits can create lesser spirits. From the monomyth:

So the Daedra Lords created the Daedric Realms, and all the ranks of Lesser Daedra, great and small.

Altmer see themselves as descended from also from the monomyth

Some had to marry and make children just to last. Each generation was weaker than the last, and soon there were Aldmer.

The key point being "just to last". Procreation is just a form of survival for the lesser spirits (in the Altmer view of course) that took part in creation, so Altmer don't see themselves as really as mortals who wouldn't exist without creation but as sundered spirits.

CoC was actually Pelinal from the past who was actually a robot from the future, brought into the past but he's mantled the demiurge of the universe, while also mantling the schizo Sheogorath, who plotted to have his past self come to the isles to be mantled as himself

TES ''lore'' is schizo nonsense.

all of this suffering really is just pointless

The suffering IS the point.

You have to suffer because...because...you just have to okay!

Smartest Lorkhanite

all of this suffering really is just pointless

just like real life

You sound like the loser that just blew up the fertility clinic.
Waaa I didn't consent to being born.

Collectively we do not hate the mer in TES enough.

Can any knife ear niggers even speak on why the spirit relm was better

ooohhh I wanna infinitely exist in a state of stasis in a formless magical void of nothing in particular

No rent.

why is it a problem ? the Empire is just going to rape them in the next game anyway

the empire is dead. tes6 is going be like the pre-tiber septim days.

aren't dumbners on lorkhan's side?

tes6 main villian is obviously going to be the leader of the thalmor

No, they’re just not whiny self pitying faggots like the Altmer.

Less limitations, Mundus is entirely a world of limits whereas Aetherius is not

At first the Aurbis was turbulent and confusing, as Anuiel's ruminations went on without design. Aspects of the Aurbis then asked for a schedule to follow or procedures whereby they might enjoy themselves a little longer outside of perfect knowledge. So that he might know himself this way, too, Anu created Auriel, the soul of his soul. Auriel bled through the Aurbis as a new force, called time. With time, various aspects of the Aurbis began to understand their natures and limitations. They took names, like Magnus or Mara or Xen. One of these, Lorkhan, was more of a limit than a nature, so he could never last long anywhere. As he entered every aspect of Anuiel, Lorkhan would plant an idea that was almost wholly based on limitation.

itll be set a couple hundred years after 5 and the thalmor and civil war will be footnotes in history

Except the Dunmer, of course, who have implicitly made Lorkhan the center of their philosophy and religion.

"We pledge ourselves to you, the Frame-maker, the Scarab: a world for us to love you in, a cloak of dirt to cherish."

It's going to be a prequel

Given how fickle they are probably. They worship whoever is put in front of them.
They are not a people with many strongly held beliefs.

You have to suffer because your suffering is amusing.

no its fucking not

dudes let's create some LIFE

okay let's do it Lorkhan

rest say fuck no

"man actually your plan fucking sucks FUCK Lorkhan, let's rip his heart out as punishment boys"

all the guys that were on board actually really fucking enjoy the world they created and even the faggots that didn't want to participate are enjoying the fuck out of it

So what did they screw him over like that for? He got the fucking Jyggalag treatment but he ACTUALLY did nothing wrong.

mostly just the Thalmor want to unmake reality

isn't Boethia and Azura in love with Lorkhan? Which is why they led some elves away

Anon they've worshipped the same three Daedra+Lorkhan since the Merethic Era. Even during the Tribunate period part of the deal was that the Tribunes were identified with the Daedric Princes who preceded them. After the Tribunal were killed, they went right back to worshiping the same three Daedra. You can say a lot of shit about the Dunmer but fickleness is not among them.

What if he didn't fuckos, and all of this suffering really is just pointless?

Because then it would be just like real life, and that's boring as fuck writing.

If they believe this why don't they unironically just kill themselves instead of trying to unmake reality? If it is indeed a crucial step surely you'd be better off leaving the step intact

I bet you say that to all the gods.

No baby it is all you. It was always just you.

What about the Aedra?

Just a fling

What about the Ancestors?

Baby, they mean nothing

The Good Daedra?

I was drunk.

The false tribunal?

You know those bitches tricked me.

Going back to the good daedra?

I was hurting. There is only you.

No wonder every divine being in TES hates the Dunmer.

They do, Boethiah especially, but not enough to take part increation rather they want to finish what Lorkhan started and so meddled to create the dunmer. Dunmer wish to complete Lorkhan's test by achieving the Psijic Endeavor and becoming a god (and maybe Amaranth later) but they don't really worship Lorkhan in the same way men do. Men also don't want to leave the mortal plane, they love creation and worship Lorkhan for making it.

and that's a good thing

Because weren’t some the gods who where making the world starting to die or some shit while making it?

The book Invocation of Azura is about this exact thing, and it's a pretty popular book

Even she knows them bitches can't be trusted.

So did the Dwemer find a way to the spiritual realm or did they all cease to exist because they realised they were in a dream but could not become CHIM?

Don't think it will ever actually matter in game. The point of that mystery is that it is a mystery. It is background fluff.

Because they see themselves as the heroes freeing everyone from the prison. Also not sure what the punishment is for suicide in the Elder Scrolls universe otherwise you'd be seeing a lot of people just killing themselves to become an undying spirit.

Well it could be a cool plot for ES7 (lol) imagine if they all just reappear out of nowhere but to them it feels like they never left. Could be a cool story. How they react to a completely new world. Some just getting installs spawn killed by suffocation because the place they originally disappeared from now has a wall there or something.

it'd be cool if it was found out Dwemer failed chim and are trapped in a false reality

They've been reduced to atoms screaming in agony as the living skin of a giant robot.

Emil is creatively bankrupt so I wouldn't put an asspull like that past him.

The answer is there is no answer; it's whatever you want it to be.

Yes because being a spirit is objectively better.

The dwemer didn't really want to ascend rather hated the world in it's entirety because TES world is an idealist world and not material.

It was unfashionable among the Dwemer to view their spirits as synthetic constructs three, four, or forty creational gradients below the divine. -Baladas Demnevanni

They were obsessed with finding what's real, becuase of this they built a giant NO robot that would deny the world and what it couldn't deny would the truth. From MK:

In Tamriel, and specifically the Dwarves, that aspect is what I can only call Heroic Abrogation of Everything, a complete and utter refusal to accept what everyone else experiences as the real.

In the process they nope'd out of reality whether on purpose or accident, we don't know.

Good to see that you don't have an argument, flatearther. Why don't you go eat more mud, retard.

No they didn't. Trainwiz isn't some loremaster, he's just an autist.

If you are mad at being born you do have options.
Just saying.

I still kinda respect the dwarves for never feeling they were below the so called “gods”. That one dwarf who used slight of hand to prove the daedra for example where not omnipotent that they could be tricked like any other person.

It's as good a theory as any.

every single TES protag has and always will be a lizard

Dwemer will never be a proper player race will they?

all this amazing lore

not a single good game

what a waste

Good to see that you don't have an argument, flatearther

Don't mock Flat Earthers! We have members around the globe!

Come Nerevar Friend or Foe come…

There's so much lore to Elder Scrolls. After playing ESO for 5 years it's still hard to wrap my head around.

No TES has been, or ever will be a lizard, or cat.

Kill Mer
Stab Mer
Chop Mer heads
Curb Stomp Mer
Circumcise Mer ears
Skin Mer
Torch Mer
Shred Mer

Aren't they all either zero-summed or bloated with Corprus?

Why does Todd hate morrowind so much?

probably, doesn't mean they can't be asspulled back into existence, or have a game take place before they became angry ghosts

Do you recommend eso anon?

It is around 25 years old. He doesn't hate it. He just doesn't remember much about it.

That's not his theory, retard.

eso lore

If an Altmer and an Imperial have a kid is it a men or mer?

It's a good game, lots of questing to do fully voice acted. End game has PVP, Raids, Trading with a ton of shit to collect. Housing, too. I bought tons of crowns with in game gold because I was really good at making gold. It's a good game, if you just have the base game and a subscription that unlocks 90% of everything.
I'd recommend it, for me personally, I've played it so much that it's nothing new to me.

I mean the Dwemer returning is a really easy next plot to do after the Thalmor on ES6 which seems almost guaranteed. They could let you play as a Dwemer chosen one or something in ES7.

The children always takes after the mother's race, with some characteristics of the father's.

He's a nexus refugee, give him a break. Probably thinks CHIM means you're in a videogame.

Isn't that fake news?

I mean, if the Ayleid can come back in the future, maybe zerosumming isn't the complete erasure of existence we think it is? The factorial of 0 is 1, so just because a concept was erased by zero-summing, who's to say the Godhead couldn't just dream the same concept again at a later date?

Will we ever get some Akavir kino?

That's unironically a Reddit theory. Nothing in-game supports the "THALMOR WANTS TO DESTROY THE TOWERS" idea, they are just your average elf supremacist faction.

If you buy the game and then pay them each month to play it it is good.

They saw you coming.

In Oblivion there is a device called the Orrery in the mage guild and one of the npcs says there’s another in Hammerfell. Could this device have relevance in ES6? I’m not sure what an Orrery actually does.

they have the setting for 6 all laid out for them already, if its really in Hammerfell. there will be a lot more Thalmor and you will like it.

Not if they keep going back to Hammerfell every other game.

Yes and (((mer))) are just practicing the kballah. Full Tikkun olam invert the world worship demons (daedra) and somehow this reverses creation.

Orrery are just maps of the celestial bodies. In this case, it'd be a 3D map of Mundus, no?

Boethiah is occasionally referred to as Lorkhan’s daughter and it’s possible she was made from scraps of the divines that weren’t used in creation.
There’s some evidence Hermaeus Mora was made out of unused bits of Akatosh.

Mora was made from the unused plans of Nirn, not Akatosh. He's basically a reject Earth.

I could see the Thalmor or Hero using this in the main quest to find some secret macguffin or some shit.

It’s probably just a reference to the observatory/orrery in the shitty Redguard game

I'm glad it's set in the period that "no one talks about" so they can do stupid things have the Aldmeri Dominion also exist in the exact same way it is in the 4th Era and at the exact same time there's an alliance between Nords, Dunmer and Argonian who have no common culture and historically hate each other.

Because killing yourself doesn't turn you back into an Ed'Ada, your soul just gets recycled through Aetherius and you're reborn

Any TES game you'll play in the future will have huge parts of its lore defined by ESO. This is something you will have to deal with.

It seems like a lot of Daedric lords were made at or post convention. Is Nocturnal the only one we know for certain predates convention?

Well in Oblivion it's powerful enough to give you different powers depending on phases of the moons.

Ah you are probably right. O forgot that shit existed.

align the celestial bodies in accordance to a specific day of the year to open a secret door revealing the Elder Scroll that you need to gather for lore reasons

Knowing Bethesda, they'd write out the answer in some book or on a wall in the same room as the puzzle orrery or some shit.

give you different powers depending on phases of the moons.

You already get different powers depending on the star sign you're born under, that's not really notable.

Molag Bal, Azura, Hircine, Namira is also stated to be an Ur-Dra, Sanguine, Peryite is supposedly super old, Vile, Vaermina

Alliance between Nords, Dunmer and Argonian

They really put the all the best races in the same faction? Never played eso but I can already tell that’s the most popular faction.

Those are divine powers. These are brought about through tonal architecture brought about by the Dwemer that you can change out. Now in this case you boost one attribute while draining another so it's basically for buffing stats you're focusing on.
Never said they were bad races, just not ones that would be working together because culture and ideology. It'd be like Germany and Russia rather than attack Poland, asked to join them in their non-aggression pact.

No I agree with you, I’ve just never payed attention to eso so was surprised they put them 3 races together seeing as they are very popular. I assume Khajits and Orcs are carrying there respective factions.

Khajits are Aldmeri and Orcs are with the Bretons and Redguard which is weird because for TES5 they joined the Aldmeri because they brought back the moons when they had disappeared, so I don't know what their reasonings are this time and for the Orcs everyone is constantly sacking Orsinium so I don't get why they would be allies ever. With the Empire in turmoil Imperials can join any faction. I hope TES6 doesn't try to mimic ESO in seeing newer forms of these alliances re-emerge.

Altmer don't want to do the psijic endeavor though
That is going forward with Lorkhan's plan
They want to go BACK

en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Words_of_Clan_Mother_Ahnissi
Khajiits aren't Aldmeri, Khajiit and Bosmer are the Wild Hunt which is something else entirely. Bosmer and some types of Khajiit resemble Aldmeri, but it's more of an example of "intelligent" convergent evolution.

Y-you j-just liek want to escape da matrix?!?!? Jumping willacks agent smith stop that man!!!

This is you.

It's not escaping the matrix though
They are not achieving chim, they are just becoming immortal
The gods have not achieved CHIM (except talos and MAYBE Lorkhan sort of did)

Is there a full list of all the lore that people find objectionable in ESO?
I always see people rag on it but no one ever seems to actually know what they're talking about and can never actually point out egregious flaws; just one or two nitpicks and then it's back to

ESO LORE IS TERRIBLE

ESPECIALLY THE PART WHERE... UH...

YEAH TERRIBLE, JUST AWFUL LORE

AM I COOL YET?

The new secret daedra mary sue is so fucking retarded I don't even know where to begin
It breaks the whole cosmology of the setting for a very mediocre plotline and is generally lame as fuck.

create life

lorkhan

everyone that particpated was onboard with it

magnus just like decided to escape at the last moment be-because... uh because he totally all the details before hand.

Of course there couldn't be a list, it's everywhere. That's the main problem with ESO lore, it's a tidal wave of slop that flows into every nook and cranny. It'd be faster to just compile all pre-ESO lore than to list all the lame shit ESO has thrown at the wall. Just research literally any topic. You'll immediately come across something and think

huh that feels off, what's the source for that

ESO

every time

Go to the Argonian page on UESP, ctrl-F "ESO" and highlight all matches, then scroll to the sources section. Yeah.

The Thalmor just want to subjugate men/khajit/argonians, they're not wholesome 100 gnostics

He plagiarized from many sources, yes

i wanna know something.
in skyrim right, you go into a dungeon and you get attacked by some ghosts.
when you kill those ghosts, where do they go. and how can you kill a ghost in the first place. theyre already dead.

muh achieving chim

Can you point to one example for this mythical carrot at the end of the proverbial goyim stick?

inb4 vivek

Was less then a daedric prince and even then the altmer have their own gods achieved with out buying into the suffering hobo pyramid scheme.

if the altmer want to escape reality why don't they just fucking kill themselves

can someone explain to me what the hell is a tower

meanwhile:

flesh eating bacteria eating the muscles out of a deer

intestinal parasite grows so long it extends multiple meters out of a bear's anus

flies hollow out a cow's eye while it's alive to lay eggs in it

a hippie is seeing a bloodred sky and piles of corpses everywhere because he ate a datura flower

birds are cannibalizing each other and fucking the corpses

you're right to say that we shouldn't escape this physical reality, because we can't. but we must rectify it, put order to the chaos, minimize suffering and maximize well-being. once the physical reality's flaws and letdowns are fixed, no one will want to escape it. make a world that the spirits would beg to return to.

I meant that they were in the Aldmeri Dominion in ESO, not that they were elves themselves. Khajiit are their own thing like Argonians.

based trips/answer, but it doesn't address his question

if the altmer want to escape reality why don't they just fucking kill themselves

Would it hurt you retards to try and understand what you're talking about BEFORE chiming in?
Death is not an escape from the samsara lorkhan created

Their souls just get recycled into new beings if they did that

would it hurt you to get a whiff of this? *farts in your face*

there's a quick solution to their problem, just neck yourself(or get some help from friendly nords) and become ethereal

They keep reality together from what I remember. The Thalmor wanna destroy them to unmake Mundus.

Calm down Sotha Sil

The Dragonborn has been helping them with that

be altmer

hate life

kill self

reincarnated into white imperial

life becomes great

Just a small reminder here. Like akatosh is the soul of anus soul. Lorkhan is the soul of Padmays soul (Sithis). Yep, you got that right, these retards are prisoners cheering on their prison in the analogy. A prison created by a literal god of limitation who was derived from the god of death and endings.

would it hurt you to get a whiff of this? *farts in your face*

Yep, the smartest nord has entered the chat.

no, fuck you. i was the only one of the three that had any constructive thought, i'd have proven all of you wrong if it wasn't for that bitch almalexia
fuck you too vivec, have fun floating around in your temple or in your meaningless plane of existence or whatever

ANUS?

reincarnated into white imperial

finally altmer girls start fawning over you

Weird because my dragon born has never harmed a single thalmor agent. All I see is endless piles of stormfolks and imperial corpses.

well that's weird because MY dragon born raped your dragon born's mom to death

The goyim ITT aren’t ready to hear about Tikkum Olan. I doubt they could even handle metzitzah b’peh

The Last Dragonborn™ canonically rapes every Thalmor patrol on sight

Weird because my dragonborn was a modded in sload.

modding Skyrim is basically me the player becoming CHIM and making the world how I want

Kino.

Did you remember to thank Lorkhan for making the world today?

weird because my dragonborn was a buxom clown girl that I took a ton of screenshots of (and blew perhaps as many loads to) but I lost them all

CHIM is just autism

Todd has the biggest CHIM because he can impose fundamental aspects of his vision on other Sleepers.

Deep lore.

He is the Toddhead

Knife eared cunt detected

You literally have to kill thalmor as part of the main story

it's not altmer either, retard. it's the thalmor. the psijics which compose primarily of altmer are vehemently against the thalmor's emo faggotry

Thalnor seem to be intentionally or unintentionally following the path of the Dwarfs. Wouldn’t be surprised they all end up proofing from existence aswell. Maybe this can be limited to the Altemeri Dominion specifically so not all High Elves are removed from Tamriel.

Half the Daedric Princes share like, the same sphere with different names.

There's "Darkness" but also "Shadow"
"Treachery, Plotting" but "Corruption, plans", "Deception", "Change".

It's all literally the same word, explain this.

Main story? Never heard of it.

my dragon born

daedra are autistic

Just like real life religion.

Spirits/ghosts are real in the ES universe. Normally when you die in the ES, your spirit will go to whatever constitutes heaven for your race. Usually these are the domains of the various Gods. If a Daedra has a claim on your soul (for example, Hircine gets your soul if you are a werewolf, Molag Bal gets Vampires, Malacath gets Orcs, etc), you go to their realm.

Ghosts are souls that, because of trauma or magic or whatever, are trapped in Mundus instead of going to whatever realm they are supposed to go to. When you "kill" a ghost, or any other kind of undead for that matter, you are effectively severing their soul from the mortal coil and sending them on their way.

If I make reality fake and gay enough, they will become stronger beings in order to transcend it.

plagiarized

Yeah he absorbed the soul of a dragon before wandering the world emptying skyrim of its disease currently making itself at home. Just as Auri-El would've wanted of him.

oh yeah well guess what's about to compose most of the air in your lungs *farts down your throat*

Also if you die and are hit with a soul trap spell before death you are sent to the soul cairn instead.

There isn't some order to their spheres where the Daedra need to watch over the aspect of the thing they preside over. The Daedra are just assholes who wanted to take part in the creation of the World because they thought it was neat because shit actually "Mattered" when you fuck with mortals.

For example Mephala, Boethiah, and Molag Bal are all Daedra of "Treachery" because they're all assholes who think it's funny to watch mortal betray each other. Not because "Treachery" as a concept needs a God. They just enjoy it because of their natures.

Life without death is meaningless. It'd be nicer it we lived way, way longer than we do but the existence of an endpoint serves as motivation to do things. Immortality leads to passivity.

Is it possible to escape the soul cairn? Like if you offered your soul to a daedra but some asshole trapped your ass in a black soul gem wouldn’t the daedra be kinda pissed?

Technically speaking your soul is actually trapped in the soul gem until it's used, THEN your soul gets reformed in the soul cairn.

That's why that one dude tries to hide inside Azura's Star in Skyrim treating it like a pocket dimension.

It's less major changes (Like making Mannimarco a fujobait demigod half a millennium before he actually attains semi-godhood or [She who will not be named]) and more a vast simplification and borification of each culture and land. Plus the hell of filler articles and addendums added to UESP to the point where you actually have to sift through the sources to see if it is real lore or not.

ESO is not canon

Mephala, Boethiah

Another thing worth bringing up. Two daedra highly known for their love of treachery. Also two daedra firmly in lorkhans camp. Something tells me lorkhan worshippers are the same demographic as the the people who are targeted by scammers are.

I don't respect ESO nor do I recognize it as a real TES game, so everything it says is fanfiction. The quality of its writing is irrelevant, it's an MMO. It's the same deal with F76: not real lore because it's not a real Fallout game, it's MMO dogshit.

But ES6 will be and it will include that stuff. A writer for ES6 has already mentioned an Ithelia questline on Twitter.

There is suffering, but there is joy.

life with out death is meaningless

Slave morality at its finest. Have you ever lived a life without death btw mr wise one?

gnosticism is not only fake and gay, it's also boring which is the real crime

I don't think there's a concrete answer, but I'd assume the Daedric princes could interfere. Probably a pain though

Can you give me their name and address? I, uh, want to talk them out of it. Yeah.

Oy gevalt! Won't somebody think of the copyright holders!? The royalties were promised to us 3000 years ago!

There is suffering, but there is joy.

There was joy before.

All deities, hell all creatures arguably fall on a scale of whether they're Anuic (Order and Stasis) or Padomayic (Chaos and Change). Most Daedra lean towards being Padomay while most Aedra lean towards Anu. Humans on a cultural scale are slightly Padomayic (Except Redguards) while Elves are broadly Anuic (Except Dark Elves).

Your assertion is backwards because It's mostly the Anuic deities who got scammed hard by Lorkhan to serve as the pillars of his world.

All those things are only terrible because you are trying to set your notion of order over things. Like trying to sing the song you want to sing despite the band playing a different tune. Creation is perfect if you're content to be sovereign wherever you sit.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'd prefer to live for around 100k years or so, but forever is probably bad for humans as a whole. But who knows, I certainly don't have an answer for how that'd affect us. Maybe it'd be the complete opposite, and knowing that they could live forever, people would value themselves more, and put effort into taking care of their bodies and minds.
Or we'd go insane and slip into total apathy as a species, losing all motivation to move forward in a few centuries. With no pressing concern of death, humans just kind of sit around entertaining themselves. Farming is more than enough to keep the (then dwindled) global population alive and it'll probably be totally automated. It'd be nice but we would go extinct on this rock.
My real worry is immortal leaders. Having a plutocratic upper class who never die and are all content to fuck over the other several billion humans who will obviously not be allowed immortality. There a possibility they'd care more about the planet since they'd actually be around to live through whatever horrors they create but let's be honest, that's not happening. They'll just find a way to insulate themselves until it becomes impossible.

Getting your eyes eaten out by a parasite is only terrible because you're a control freak.

O-okay. Lorkhan and his fucking masochist freaks I swear to Auri-El

Todd and Kirkbride said otherwise.

This is completely baseless, but I imagine it's like all the other "afterlife" situations in ES where you eventually reincarnate back into Mundus after a certain amount of time.

As for the Daedra, it's speculated that "loosing" souls is just part of the game for them. For example the characters in every ES game technically should have multiple Daedric claims to their souls, which shouldn't even be fucking possible. My guess is that the Soul Cairn gets a higher priority than the Daedra.

akatosh is the soul of anus

he sure is lololololololololol

I mean Jygallag is another forgotten daedric prince who is also a Gary Stu aswell and no one complains about him.

The Endeavor isn't about escaping but continuing the dream.

How powerful is the Night Mother and can the Aedra or Daedra destroy her

to them the spirit realm was already a prison,

Funny because the two beings that escaped moved back to the spirit realm thus proving Nirn is indeed a cage.

Thats why both Nords and Dunmer are my favorite races

The night mother is literally a rogue Morag Tong agent(in reality she's doing Mephala's will to expand her reach beyond Morrowind)

night mother

she's 100 an aspect of another Daedra already

salesman
no longer relevant
jyggalag had to shed his own realm of oblivion

You kill the original canonical Night Mother in Morrowind. Everything after that are dead puppets of Mephala.

Adding on to this who’s stronger her or the dread father?

Pretty sure Night Mother is Just Mephala after she got bored of the Dunmer or foresaw that the Morag Tong was going to get mostly wiped out after the Year of Red Mountain.

In Skyrim she purposefully talked to you instead of Cicero or any of the longstanding members of the Brotherhood because she knew it would create drama and she thinks that's hilarious. Classic Mephala.

almalexia isnt the night mother

no he was an annoying obsessive compulsive dissorder just imagine sheogorath going full imperial guard STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM

Sithis is just another name or an embodiment of the Primordial force of Chaos. It doesn't really have a will it just embodies everything that leans towards that affinity. So from that aspect Padomay/Sithis is vastly more powerful than the Night Mother but it doesn't really "do things" the same way she does.

No I'm talking about the Morag Tong questline. One of the assassination targets is the founder of the Dark Brotherhood which is identified as a former agent of Morag Tong that betrayed them.

en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Severa_Magia
Dark Brotherhood were originally portrayed as Dagon worshippers

ESO lore is peak (I have never played it though)

I have never played it though

BASED

You completely misunderstand Jygallag. He isn't on the same level as Ithelia, in that he was 'forgotten' because he was transformed into Sheogorath whose influence was keenly felt, and all mentions of Jygallag faded from his inception. He was forgotten in a similar vein as to how Celtic pagan deities are largely forgotten. He's also not a Mary Sue because his ass got beat and condemned to repeat the same cycle that led to his transformation into Sheogorath in the first place. Both Jygallag and Sheogorath are the same entity, until they aren't.

Ithelia is 'forgotten' due to the machinisations of other Daedra who somehow erased all memory and knowledge of her from existance, and whose existance flies directly in the fact of well-established rules regarding the sacred number 16 in Elder Scrolls. Eight Divines, Sixteen Daedra; each spoke is flanked by two spaces. The Sixteen Accords of Madness. The Sixteen Kingdoms of the Khajiit. The Wheel symbol of the Elder Scrolls universe which is so deeply baked into aesthetics and cosmology of the setting cannot exist with a 17th Daedra. I can't even begin to convey how stupid it is to add in a secret Daedra, nevermind one so poorly written and hastily contrived.

It's amazing people still think Jygallag is real.

if the hero of my Krotch its sheogorath proven in skyrim of course it exist

Eight Divines + Two Moons.
8 x 2 = 16

Jyggalag escaped the shivering isles and left behind his power base and is essentially starting from scratch its not surprising that you dont hear about him

He isn't. You never got any powers. Everything you can do are powers given to you by Haskill. Not only that you have ask him for shit that the real Sheogorath can do at will. The hero got pranked into believing he's a god. Also Sheogorath talking about events from SI is no proof as he talks about different madmen like he was them in SI and Skyrim(entire quest is him talking about things only Pelagius can know).

they re good when they scrap fom older games not popular lore, their latest daedric princess sucks and copypaste jyggalag "crystalian aesthetic"

Jyggalags servants aren't daedra just madmen in costumes. It's can't be more obvious.

I bet you hate the Demiurge

There was nothing before.

Morrowind heavily insinuates they all just died, considering there are ghosts wandering the halls

watch he'll be a center piece of tes6, just wait

Arch-Mage Trebonius asked me to find out what happened to the Dwarves. Unfortunately, he didn't give me much information to go on. I'm not sure if he was serious.

Why don't we just build another numidium?
It almost worked for dagoth, right?

They removed themselves from the equation of existance.

Is it possible that the Dwemer were ultimately right?

about what?
the gods not being actual gods? yeah, they're right about that

Yeah but they went back more powerful.

Keep in mind ESO takes place a long time before the big Elder Scrolls games. It's got much more magic and might as well be a parallel universe.

Isn't it canon tech and magik is devolving on the mainland?

but if Lorkhan didnt create material existence, how would the Godhead find variant permutations of his best friend's betrayal that allow for forgiveness?

His name is Shor, not Lorkhan. The elves gave him a scary sounding name to trick you into thinking he's the bad guy. They call him a trickster god when really the elves are the deceivers.

Reminder that the statement

i would benefit by never have existed

is literally nonsense and no amount of word games or circular logic will change that.

Once the Altmer figure out that Talos did what they wanted to do and that they should replicate his actions, they will win

That's literally the opposite of what Tikkun Olam means

There'd be way more dwemer ghosts if they just all died, fairly sure all the dwemer ghosts are from dwemer that died before the battle of red mountain

Why are atheists and gnostics so alike? They hate everything.

It's the opposite of that, thoughbeit

Nope.

Yup

Even the Nords agree Lorkhan was a trickster, hence why he’s represented as fox in their pantheon

Lol, scientists hate when you attribute wonder to anything. If you use words like “magic” you are giving power to mystery, and that upsets them. Men are scared.

in the generic tolkien ripoff "age of decline" way yeah. Red mountain blows up, Septims get the spicy akatosh, empire fractures, piss elves watching the 2nd coming of pelenal holocoaster Ysgramor out of skyrim. Meanwhile psyjics fuck off and the most anyone can make out of automatons they've unga bunga'd to death in dwemer ruins is a crossbow. Forward progress still pales in comparison to the heights of the past and so forth

tech is because dwemer machines are still not understood properly. magic isnt, but the really crazy magic is becoming less well known and basic magic is becoming more common. like how everybody can make fire in their hands now, but battlespire, a literal magic-powered space station floating in a metaphysical plane, is basically forgotten.

and yeah, technically dwemer technology is still magic, just a different kind than anyone is familiar with.

scientists hate when you attribute wonder to anything

They don't at all. Wonder and enchantment are not exclusive to literal magic vis a vis supernatural powers.

exist

die

go to Aetherius anyways

You come from nothing, you go back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing.

shutting it down doesn't work like that

Tiber Septim actually destroys the world in the future by activating the Numidium

Not all Altmer are Thalmor just like how not all jews are Kabbalists

So, Mer want to ascend to Godhood so they can destroy reality and achieve Instrumentality. Now why the fuck, would I, a human, want that to happen?

Tonal technology, or architecture, IS tonal “magic”, like dragon shouts. The Dwemer see magic differently. It’s a description to them, not a definition for anything. They’ll call themselves mage-smiths and arcane philosophers, but things like Magicka are just resources and tools to use in greater infrastructure. Components. Magic does not really exist to them the same way the gods are just really powerful or advanced aliens to them. They’re worldly. They see the magic in the world. It’s built.

They’re unironically closest to Tolkien elves, who treat everything like art/tech, so beautiful and perfect it’s indistinguishable from magic, to those who aren’t elves. Similarly the black machines of Mordor are considered black magic, witchcraft, sorcery, etc. Everything is Song or Music to Eru and Ainur and the elves. Tones. Like the Dwemer.

THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO IN THE FUTURE

How come no one has posted this?

Because of what mer pussy does to a mf

They don't at all

Why are you lying? “It’s not magic. It goes by nature”. “Magic isn’t real, haha”. Good lord, anon.

If you don’t consider nature to be magical, or you don’t consider the world you’re living in to be an Atlantean one, then you sadly don’t appreciate science, do you? Sigh. Magic is just a word for wonder and appreciation for mystery, and it’s what led up to religion, hocus pocus, and accusations of superstition to begin with. The supernatural/unnatural is an oxymoron, or a false dichotomy.

Immortality leads to passivity.

it ain't, your claim is baseless

”It’s not magic. It goes by nature”

Only retards think magic goes against nature. They don’t see the nuance. There is a big difference between nature and our understanding of it.

Magic isn’t real, haha”.

This is also annoying. It’s about as useful as saying dark doesn’t exist, or cold doesn’t exist, or holes don’t exist, etc. It’s closer to an absence. “I know something you don’t know”, “I can do something you can’t do”, etc. All exposure logic.

Dunmers still think the world is shit like the Altmer do, but unlike the Altmer they think it was made shit on purpose

It's a meaningless statement, as is yours, since nothing is immortal and therefore we can never know what it would lead to or not.

Nirn used to be like Roblox/Minecraft all glitches no rules no bans.
Lorkhan turned it into a single player RPG and forced all the other players to turn into NPCs

They’re unironically closest to Tolkien elves, who treat everything like art/tech, so beautiful and perfect it’s indistinguishable from magic, to those who aren’t elves. Similarly the black machines of Mordor are considered black magic, witchcraft, sorcery, etc. Everything is Song or Music to Eru and Ainur and the elves. Tones. Like the Dwemer.

I didn’t know any of this. Cool.

Lots of people misunderstand CHIM and think it's the same thing as apotheosis, but really it's just one of many walking ways. I think the one most fitting for player characters is the sword the size of an ancient road. "Reach heaven through violence" could be a tagline on the back of the box for Morrowind.

The bigger question is why don't they build their own God-mecha. They captured the first Numidium, right? Given how many of the highest tier Mages of Tamriel are Altmer, I'm sure they could pull it off.

Maybe they're just too busy fighting the sea elves

How was Mankar Camoran able to wear the amulet of kings? Was he a Dragonborn?

AI is not a person, it's a sorting algorithm

He somehow managed to become one.

He changed the game code so his racial code was altmer and dragonborn

The Dwemer realistically should have been the most powerful people in the setting given their close proximity to modern day levels of understanding. They should have figured out the tone of magicka/aetherius itself.

But, of course, muh fantasy factional racial equality bullshit…

Were the dwemer even good with magic? They were good with technology but magic is still OP.

Are you schizo religious anon from before or someone else? Because it doesn't follow at all now

Did you miss the part about even their stupid roombas being powered by literal souls
Nords and the dungmer were supported by literal gods in the setting

They were master craftsmen and enchanters, not fighter

Modern scientists lack emotional intelligence, they have forsaken logic for the sake of appeasing a bunch of histrionic malcontents. And in doing so they have led to people mistrusting the very principles of the various fields of study. Part of this is hubris, society hyping them up and treating science as the new god and so they see themselves as an extension of that or at least the missionaries that spread the word of science. It’s the same kind of smug self aggrandizing that immediately sours the layman to what they have to say since it’s a common human thing to not like smug retards.

The Dwemer use magicka spells as activators for their machinery. Tonal architecture is a form of (tonal) magic. Yes they were good at magic.

not fighter

They made war machinery.

fucking hell, in TES magic is real, technology is applying scientific method to magic
yes, they were really good at it

I reject your reality and substitute it wit-ACK!

i think you spend too much time on the internet finding things that irritate you and rubbing them on your asshole for fun

Why is it that my observation on the nature of the modern scientific community bothers you so much? Do you feel called out? Also don’t project your homosexual fixations on others.

No they haven't. Maybe a select few have, but most are subject to what's marketable or academic because nobodies seriously funding anything else

i think i'm right

They have, if you find one that doesn’t have a massive ego and is just desperate to get money then they’re no better than a whore. They will say it’s for the sake of progress but the foundation of what they look into is flimsy. To either be an ego maniac or a mouth piece in a lab coat made to smile and tout your degree so some pig can push it’s agenda is no way to make a living and goes against the principles which they claim to uphold.

And what thread of logic lead you to that?

yeah MACHINES

You unironically need to consume less internet. Whatever world you live in is far removed from reality

Machines are meant for war.

that doesn't make the person who built them fighters

All I see in you is the same kind of histrionic behavior that has corrupted the modern scientific community. Even now you can’t engage or actually challenge what I’ve said. No counter or actual argument. Just saying I’m wrong and delusional. Here is your time to shine man of science, prove me wrong, show those that view this thread your superior power of logic and rhetoric.

malding knightfag mad he got taken out by the old fat fuck with a shotgun

lol

"you're histrionic"

posts ramblings

no u

It’s not rambling, it’s me explaining my rationale. And all you can do is insult it and not actually explain how it’s wrong while using the same arguments a child would. You’re doing nothing but proving my point about your emotional instability.

And that's why there's no hype for TeS6

You are typing out entire paragraphs for me to not even read. You are screaming into a void.

you can't engage or challenge what I've actually said

I've done that wvery post you militantly ignorant faggot. You aren't even making an argument to counter, you're just saying "muh scientists" like they're a monolithic entity. They all attend the scientist convention together to discuss how scientists should think. Thry go to school for degrees in sciencing. They graduate and go on linked in for science jobs. You don't know the first thing about what it is you are talking about, you just see inflamatory articles about fringe studies written by people that know how to stoke your outrage for clicks

If you’re not reading them why are you replying? If you’re not going to actually engage why are you still here? Are you hoping to make it look like you’re trolling/don’t care? Because you failed by starting this trying to argue.

BACK THEN IT WAS ONLY A PROPHECY, BUT NOW IN THE FUTURE THE PAST HAS OCCURRED

It's not funny. A scientist just flew over my house

this just means that the Oblivion protagonist is also a faggot

you still posted a paragraph in response, lol

I've done that wvery post you militantly ignorant faggot. You aren't even making an argument to counter

This cope fails right out of the gate because I gave my argument and explained it in detail and all you can do is be dishonestly reductive and trivialize.

you're just saying "muh scientists" like they're a monolithic entity

If I’m wrong then argue it.

attend the scientist convention together to discuss how scientists should think.

1. That alone should show their ego, no one should tell anyone how they should think.

Thry go to school for degrees in sciencing.

2. Schools that teach them what? The lastest greatest theory that someone can and will shoot down in a few decades for the “new” theory which is totally the truth this time.

They graduate and go on linked in for science jobs

3. Yes the jobs where they whore themselves out for funding and say and do things that spit in the face of their field and ethics.

Yeah, that’s how text conversations go when you have things to say. Why are you smug that you can’t read a paragraph?

You have nothing to say. You are on a fucking video game board you retarded faggot.

I have plenty to say, you just don’t like it. And since you can’t argue it you’re just ignoring it while throwing a tantrum.

But even without a physical existence, they would have existed. This isn't even a what if, it's an established fact in the TES universe.

Anon, this is an Elder Scrolls lore thread and you are posting about completely unrelated nonsense. Please, get a fucking grip

If you cared about that you would have said it from the beginning. This is just a cope that you’re using to deflect away from argument you failed to argue. You could just stop replying? It’s not that hard.

the argument in question

Niggas in lab coats say things I don't like sometimes

"why are the elves we all hate gnostic cucks and why are gnostic cucks and atheist scienceguys so cringe in both art and real life"

uhhhhhh source??????

More like people in lab coats aren’t infallible. But I see you still have to reply despite acting like you wanted to get back on topic.

Talos became a god because he lied, betrayed, and backstabbed everyone he ever worked with. This is why he was able to mantle Lorkhan, who did the same thing with the Aedra. This is why Vivec (another notorious liar, betrayer, and backstabbing) was able to achieve godhood as well. Also Mannimarco technically. Achieving godhood is not for good people

then argue it

I did. "Scientists" aren't a monolithic organism. Research programs and the people behind them don't exist for their own sake in any but the most extreme circumstances, that's not a sustainable market. Nobody makes money off of homosexuality in botswana. People make lots of money off of iterative development of products you use every day

schools that teach them what?

This is the heart of your ignorance, because you seem to think in absolutes, and misconcieved ones at that. Total paradigm shifts aren't occuring in every field all the time, if ever. Even rapidly developing fields like computers have been iterative since their inception. Again you are the victim of journos writing click bait by announcing some revolutionary new turbo encabulator that was impossible ten years ago but is now commonplace (such wow). It doesn't work like that. It's never worked like that. Even a high school graduate ought to know this

You could just stop replying? It’s not that hard.

WE WUZ AEDRA AND SHIT

That video of the komodo dragon eating a freshly born fawn is forever seared into my memory

Half of the scientific community can’t even agree if sex is binary or not. I don’t need to say anything else.

I did. "Scientists" aren't a monolithic organism. Research programs and the people behind them don't exist for their own sake in any but the most extreme circumstances, that's not a sustainable market

In saying this you just showed a monolithic aspect being they will whore themselves out to anyone that will give them funding. And in doing so say and do shit which is counter to the principles of their field.

This is the heart of your ignorance, because you seem to think in absolutes, and misconcieved ones at that

The exact opposite, I am acknowledging the fallibility of mankind. Nothing is perfect and the same goes for the information we have. We do not have all of the answers. Things that were once considered hard fact are now looked upon as foolish notions of the past.

Total paradigm shifts aren't occuring in every field all the time, if ever

20 years ago they could define what a woman was, it’s not about shifting paradigms, it’s about saying whatever is convenient.

Why? I’m not the one that’s complaining about the argument? Also I see you have gone further into the childish behavior.

I just want to remind everyone that this image is the source of this inane conversation. A literal phone screenshot of Anon Babble post of an image from wherever the fuck.
And this anon here is arguing about scientific community or some shit.
In an elder scrolls thread.
On Anon Babble.

Khajiit are their own thing even though they literally aren't

doth protest too much

the father of quantum physics says mer are cringe and so demonstrably are you

Atheists want to murder God

Odd innit, they seem to despise something that they are supposed to believe doesn’t exist.

gay sperg containment thread

i'm a satanist because i want to be god.

If you don’t consider nature to be magical, or you don’t consider the world you’re living in to be an Atlantean one, then you sadly don’t appreciate science, do you?

I said something like this to my professor once and he fucking LOST it on me

Why do they act like this?

He used Mehrune's Razor to cut himself into a dragonborn

Either that or he's an Ayelid king

Stop talking to yourself.

Atheism.

They cannot see a force of beauty it gives them a sort of cognitive dissonance so their amygdala freaks out.

Scientists are boring grey blobs. Also they think men can get pregnant. How is that not magic?

That's kind of to his point, though, isn't it

Agreed. Honestly I wouldn't mind if the Dwemer were like taken out of existence or something because they lacked faith when they touched CHIM or they were forced into a form of existence in a Plane of Oblivion even the Daedric Princes aren't aware of. Falion claims to have met them and he has advanced knowledge of dark magic. But honestly, even if we got an explanation that made sense it wouldn't be a good thing. Having a mystery in a world's lore is up for debate and never answered only given bits and pieces is one of the hallmarks of a world that is worth discussing and speculating about. The Dwemer are memorable BECAUSE we know nothing about their fate. If they wanna bring another Dwemer that was on a Far Plane or even the descendant of a Dwemer who was on a Far Plane, came back, ended up having to try and make a new life for himself and had died already. That's fine. I mean it doesn't really ruin anything. But a definitive answer, ANY definitive answer, would ruin the point. It's the kind of mystery you DON'T solve. It's for the fans to discuss and research and speculate. In essence it's the journey not the destination.

Not him, but It’s this and to elaborate on why they have been “cursed” with knowledge, they lost their wonder and now live life as sort of boring automatons that need to explain everything since they know there IS an explanation, and they do this even if they don’t have the answers. In short they looked into the abyss and blinked.

So they’re dissatisfied pieces of shit

Hell maybe this is why the Dwemer vanished. They refused to accept the mysteries of the gods and when they touched them too closely they weren't able to stabilize because of it.

why dont they just kill themselves then. its canon in the game that spirits exist

The Dwemer had a sense of wonder though.

In the most simplest terms, yes.

They want everyone else to die too.

I think it’s less wonder and more that they thought they had all of the answers. Imagine if you were hot shit knowing basic addition and then we’re hit with differential calculus

hate everything so much, that instead of immediately going to their paradise they want they stick around and try to make everyone equally miserable

woah. i like them already

say and do shit that is counter to the principles of their field

Some might do that, but corps aren't hiring people to tell them something they already know (or want to tell people, as the case may be). Your preoccupation with gender studies horse shit betrays the truth, though. Those aren't scientists and nobody actually takes them seriously, it's just mentally ill troons confirming their biases and nobodies paying them to do it because thats not markatable

the fuck's this bitches problem? Asks for a brawl, I give her one, she whips out her sword immediately.

I see you’re harping on the example that I gave to show that they will compromise their integrity in for the sake of funding. Ultimately you can point to Exception or outliers but it will not erase the fact that this has become a common theme within the scientific community. And the fact that any of them would do this let alone enough for it to become a trend is a travesty in of itself.

Just punch her

its a woman. just use your fist

that's what I was doing. Maybe I was punching too hard and that was upsetting her.

Have you ever killed yourself? It fucking hurts man. And it doesn't even get you to the highest plane, it leaves you bogged down in some sort of in-between state where your only option is struggling to descend and try again IF you can descend.

He's CHIM'd up by the time you fight him in his Paradise.
Or, its because he's a descendant of the Cammoran dynasty of Valenwood, who, considering they're one of those really long-running royal dynasties, probably have Septim blood (or Reman, or Alessian) in there somewhere, qualifying him that way.

Morrowind has dwarven ghosts, and the last known living dwarf. none of you mfs play the games

I’ve heard people say he has Ayleid blood.

who's to say the Godhead couldn't just dream the same concept again at a later date?

Lyg

Isn't there objective after life's in ES? Everyone will eventual become a spirit in one way or another, it's more of where you go that's the problem. Why don't the Altmer focus on that instead of trying to destroy reality?

Same reason why Argonian women have Booba

That last bit

I guess whoever made that pic never took Daggerfall and it's aftermath into consideration.

They want to be how they were when they were the Ehlnofey living in Aetherius before Lorkhan got them into Mundus. Going to the afterlife more just makes them spirits of what they were on Nirn. It’s why Ysgramor still looks like himself but kind of glowy.

Magic is just a word for wonder and appreciation for mystery,

NTA, but just saying many would consider ESP to be the irl equivalent of magic. One can not even deny that at least some exists since we already make use of phenomena like the Placebo Effect

You're point at exceptions and outliers, not I. Let me put it to you a different way, because you don't seem to understand the adult explanation. Do you live in the US? Well, affirmative action is enshrined in US federal law. Why do you support affirmative action? How can you you violate the meritorious principles the nation was founded on by supporting affirmative action? Clearly americans will do and say anything for conveniance

And if you CHIM too much you get zero-sum (crash to desktop).

Joy is meaningless without suffering, those who lead lives of pure joy and indulgence and excess with nothing bad ever happening to them become detestable, cruel things with no capacity for empathy or sympathy for anyone who is less fortunate than them and are also completely incapable of handling suffering if or when it inevitably does happen regardless of how major or minor it is. It's like your immune system, if you live your whole life constantly scrubbing your hands with hand sanitizer and showering four times a day and obsessively cleaning your house to ensure not a single foreign particle can exist, your immune system has nothing to fight and starts to atrophy, and eventually when you do end up encountering a bad bacteria or virus you're completely defenseless against it and it fucks you up for weeks or months or even kills you

My personal headcanon is

Some kind of High Ayleid king who in some way can claim to be ruler of White Gold Tower (maybe even Umaril himself)

His pregnant waifu flees to Valenwood to avoid getting Pelinal'd

Marries into Camoran dynasty

Camoran dynasty is now the rightful heirs of the Ayleid Empire

Events of that book that portrays Mankar's birth happen.

The Ayleid blood is strong in Mankar so he looks like a Altmer since the Ayleids were basically just an Altmeri subculture.

Magic is just a word for wonder and appreciation for mystery

Maybe to you, but that's not commonly how that word is used by the populace. You may dislike how dry professors and scientists like to be, but it's necessary to be as clear as possible in a reality where two people can observe the same thing and come to two radically different conclusions. You can save the romanticism for casual settings.

no u

Come on man, why do you have to do this? I am talking about the general state of the community itself and you have given nothing to prove that wrong.

because you don't seem to understand the adult explanation

This is the kind of smug behavior I was talking about. You being condescending isn’t going to make you right, just show your ego is over inflated.

Do you live in the US? Well, affirmative action is enshrined in US federal law

This analogy you’re using fails because I’m pointing this out it would be blaming anyone that uses any kind of science as being complacent when it’s just those in the greater scientific community that I’m calling out. For your analogy to be accurate it would be blaming the government which I would blame given they’re the ones that enforce that.

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