Can final fantasy be saved?

I actually really like XII's combat, but then again, I really like XI's combat too.

so literally the only thing people want is a mainline game with the 7R system that isn't completely retarded nostalgiabait? I don't think that's a particularly hard ask

I bought it because I was interested in it, not because I have an autistic "ex fan" vendetta against FF

Is this true?

wtf ResetERA is based?!?!?!?!

After they decided to kill the only thing keeping ff relevant (ff14)?
No.

redditera wholesome chungus retardation

the game has plenty of functional characters that could have been permanent party members, only people obsessed with the initial advertising care about Hugo or Benedikta to such a degree

wojak edit mid video

Yeah, no. His opinion is absolutely worthless

dumb nigger hours

'jaks are kino

nostalgiabait

They can't seem to decide whether they do or do not want nostalgiabait. They just keep bickering as if there's some perfect middlegrounds

can final fantasy be saved?

It already was saved. As it turns out, all they needed to do was drop turn-based combat to vastly improve sales.

4 million people plus gamepass plus pirates played the game specifically because they hate Squeenix

What do you think?

turn based combat

shows non-turn based combat

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
retardbro
THE A DON'T STAND FOR FRANCE!

Fake fucking fans always pull this shit.

Capitalism already killed video games

no. the Japanese refuse to innovate because of muh tradition so they keep repeating the same gay shit.

FF died with VIII
That game is so perfect it buck broke minds 20 years later. Combat system is so open and flexible you cam brake everything. Story is one of the most complex, not even of FF, but of any videogame ever made. In FFVIII you get somehting you virgins will never have: A REAL JOB. And you get paid good money as long as you become pro.
You can get into cars in the ow, and even refuel them. Music is top notch, and on par, if not better than FFVII.
And don't even make me start about the female cast; what a bunch of qts.
Faggots have no idea what's good.

I bought it because when they revealed it, it looked like a really cool turn-based RPG, and I like those. I wasn't thinking about FF at all during any of that, only like maybe a few days after launch did I ever think anything like "huh... why can't Square Enix make their FF games more like this?"

IX and X are better.

Who is this and how is he so fucking based?

What is the point of boosting sales when it's vastly inferior to an PS1 game?

FF died with VIII

This. 8 was fucking awful. Then again, there's simply no way to top the dual release of the two best games of their genres and top 10 games of all time, 7 and Tactics, in the same fucking year no less. 97 was peak console kino. It was all downhill from there. What a magical year.

his youtube channel is Sebby something or other

take rebirths combat system and put it into a actual new world and setting without the baggage that comes with remaking a game.

wasn't X around the time Sakaguchi and Uematsu left or started taking a backseat?

Not saying that's the reason but kinda interesting some of these old fans may miss elements those two brought.

Thanks fren, subbing now

And yet none of them of anything to say about Mistwalker’s games.

It literally just needs a new mainline game that actually has some fucking love and care put into it while giving the player some agency.

99% of the people who bought it, yes. Don't be a fucking schizo just because retards on Anon Babble want to do some retarded series war bullshit.

One of the big complaints I've heard on reddit, which means you know it's bad since they suck off even the newer ones as perfect, was that it lacked the feeling of a proper party so yeah probably.

Objectively, FF died with XIII. Despite people crying about XII's real time combat there was still plenty of interest in Final Fantasy when XIII came out.

Final Fantasy XII - 1,764,266
Final Fantasy XIII - 1.501.964
Final Fantasy XV - 690.471
Final Fantasy XVI - 336.027

Consumer faith in the franchise died with XIII.

1. take FFV and use it as a template
2. make that, but with all the shiny modern day grafix and shit
3. ???
4. include hot bitches and a halfway decent story bout highschoolers saving the world
5. DO NOT include adverts for cup noodle
6. DO NOT make your main cast a buncha korean boy band members
7. DO NOT skimp on the hot bitches, they have to be hot and cute and sexy, etc.

and you're golden senpai.

I like that his points are actually completely valid and he even goes into finding FF7R's battle stuff more or less fine but disliking the direction of the story stuff.
Of course Anon Babble as to seethe about such a reasonable opinion.

include hot bitches and a halfway decent story bout highschoolers saving the world

Kill yourself

Guy's got pretty good takes actually.

> FFX was the last good (i.e. True) FF game

funny how everyone other than FF7 fags agree with this.

9,10 and 12 were all better. I'll never understand what the fuck is wrong with 8 niggers.

I don't care, why do you?

discord troon is upset about reality again

typical

Sakaguchi took a back seat at VI technically.
He directed V, Kitase wrote it and Ito did the combat.
VI was co-directed by Ito & Kitase, gooch produced.
VII was Kitase, w/ Nojima writing.
VIII was Kitase w/ Nojima writing.
IX was Gooch writing, Ito providing support.
X was Kitase, w/ Nojima writing.
XI was pure kino
X-2 was Kitase's bumboy Toriyama, w/ Nojima writing.
XII was Ma- he gave up. Ito directing, up from production/battle, finished by Nojima's assistant and a decent female writer who I can't remember the name of right now. Akitoshi Kawazu took a break from making kino to handle Ivalice for a few years, before producing Square's 2nd best RPG on the 7th gen.
XIII. Toriyama, Nojima writing, also Watanabe writing too, because 3 people had to write it.
XIII-2. Toriyama, Watanable.
LIGHTNING RETURNS: FINAL FANTASY XIIII, Toriyama, Watanabe.
XV, Nojima/nomura > Tabata
VII R, Nojima writing.

V & VI is arguably where Final Fantasy died, or at least the 2nd iteration of it we saw, the true ATB era. VII was recycled VI with a new coat of paint and when the Kitase/Nojima cancer really set in.
Gooch produced VII, IX, X and assembled the team for XI. VIII was produced by Hashimoto, who took over as head of the FF brand with Kitase once gooch left and really was just the man who existed to reign in Nomura's projects, making sure he either completed them in time, or it was passed off to Tabata.
1st era of FF was the glory days with gooch, kawazu, terada, ishii & tanaka.

As for soundtracks, yes. Uematsu through to X where he took a backseat and starting doing premier/vocal tracks. SaGa's 2nd (technically 3rd) composer took over there.

No one wants Japslop about teenagers being retards anymore

Go be a grown up in real life, faggot.

XII's release is insane, because it was not only suffering production hell because of scope & Matsuno ragequitting the industry.
-but SE had agreed to show off a demo at the PS3 reveal which was where the FF VII remake shit really got locked in, to the point that while XII was still delayed, "fans" were now more excited about VII remake to the degree that they were asking about it at XII's launch in Japan...

Maybe if they weren't locked to xbox and apple arcade somebody would play them

Objectively FF hasn't died yet. What you're saying isn't objective, you're subjectively creating a benchmark for what constitutes good sales in your capitalist-tinted eyes.

Neo Fantasian was released on platforms a while ago. It was alright. I actually really liked exploring the handmade dioramas and the music was pretty good too.

Fantasian is on pretty much everything

Just make Final Fantasy XVII a complete rip-off of Expedition 33 in terms of structure, combat, pacing, design, etc, but with a FF coat of pain and a heavy investment in the writing department and please god keep nomura away from designing the characters please lord in heaven

Shit I actually had no idea

brake

Yea I'm gonna go ahead and ignore your retarded bullshit if you can't even use the write fucking word.

Remember when you had to pay a quid to blaze through it on a trial of the apple arcade?
I member.

Nomura should be given free reign to design as many goth chicks as he wants. Just don't let him design dudes

Exactly, because Mistwalker games are still uninspired Japslop.

It sells a tenth of what it used to sell.

will probably add a few millions more with the switch 2 version

It's not worth saving.

Reset Era are faggots are crossing posting from there is faggot behaviour.
Now, the point that onions cuckold lover is trying to say is imagine FF16 with a party system where you build your party like previous FF games going out into the world, adventuring and recruiting people to come along with you like almost every other mainline FF did.

FF7r is ok. It should have been bigger if it was entirely going to focus on midgar.

FF7Rebirth feels all over the place. The start isnt very good, its badly optimised, all the side quests feel kinda pointless in the end (why activate the towers again?), queens blood was horse shit, they cut out cids entire arc, the time jannys shit is absolutely retarded and makes zero sense, hunting chocobos suck.

Then theres the biggest issue of it all - some parts are highly extended whilst others have been cut short and its usually in the worst order.

Junon is just a tiny slum, a mini dolphin game, a parade and then you leave. It's meant to be a big city yet your only there for 2 hours at most.
Meanwhile the Temple of the Ancients drags on so fucking long.....then it drags on longer because it splits you up into 2 teams and forces you to do aeirths crappy side story.
It does the same thing again with places like Cosmo canyon (drags on seriously too long) vs other places.

It feels so rushed once you get to the gold saucer because you notice once the prison arc is done everything else falls apart

too many fucking shills, can't even have a conversation about something not related to frenchslop. it's fucking over. pack it up, move on. thread's done.

interesting critique

FROGJACK CANCER

Normalfags must die

I pre-ordered months ago expecting a middle of the road game and was pleasantly surprised at launch to get one much better game than that.

ok and?

no u

and a heavy investment in the writing department

???

Here are the writers you can pick from:

Ishikawa

Can write subtext & themes well, can't handle prose, struggles with character interactions & writing women

Oda

Can write dialogue well, decent prose, good political structures but not good at plot structuring, writes women well, can write men who are either intolerable or manly as shit

Maehiro

Can only do FF IV style rip offs, can write dialogue, decent prose, shit at political structures, can't into subtext

Hiroi

Alright prose, not bad, not great. Capable of writing good political structures with real world allegories, characters with depth but cannot structure a plot for the life of him, editorial interference can lead to his stories being overbearing in their messaging or just straight up going over someones head. Incapable of writing women.

Away from the MMO/CBU/CSIII team you have.

Nojima

FF VII, VII, X, X-2, XIII, XV, Stranger of Paradise.
The man's akin to a light novel writer, shit prose like Ishikawa, characters are stereotypes, tropey, plot structure is usually okay so long as he gives a fuck. If he doesn't give a fuck HAHA TIDUS GO BOOM!
Capable of either producing a masterpiece by accident or intentionally like in the case of SoP where if you were unaware it were Nojima: you'd think it were satire.

Watanabe

Nojima's assistant.
Took over FF XII, XIII, Lighning Returns. Probably still doing some writing on VII R. Good prose! Actually, good prose, good plot structuring but like Nojima can go a bit too stereotypy and schizo, characters are the same shit that people complain about when they talk about modern FF.

Everyone else has left, or no longer works in the FF teams. Terada, Kawazu, Tokita, Kato etc are so far out of the FF sphere. Gooch isn't going to do it either.
The big one to mention is Kitase, he did V, VI and as director also worked with Nojima for VII, VIII & X. Kitase hasn't really shown a love for scenario since X.

ff16 is like devil may cry

lol yea if devil may cry was made by a 4 year old and had literally none of what made it interesting

Final piss bros...will it ever be over? this humiliation? the ridicule? I just can't anymore

Final Fantasy has been an MMORPG franchise since 2002. The online spin-off is now the mainstay, like how Persona took over SMT.

Worth noting for Nojima since I cut it out for space:
Nojima is who people think of when they think FF VII writing, or at least millennials and younger. He also writes the Kingdom Hearts series, a lot of Nomura-isms are actually Nojima.

People say this devil may cry thing, but really it's closer to Genshin in design and functionality, just with the dodgy/parry system being more fleshed out.
XVI's combat has some depth but it's not required in practice outside of the challenge modes. Genuinely a waste of talent and time.
Hiroshi Takai wasted years of his life "directing" this game, when they could have had him working on a successor to The Last Remnant.

I've found that individuals and even teams don't really mean much in terms of making a good product. Commonly a team strikes gold with a game, but unless the sequel is produced very close to the original, or uses ideas/assets created during that time, the chances that it will be good quickly diminish over time.

Even worse, "from the person/dev/studio of [classic game]" is nearly always bad.

Not defending FF, on the contrary I think once the talent has run its course, the IP should just die and not waste everyone's time and money. Capitalists gonna capital though

the write fucking word.

How embarrassing for you.

Maybe you need to discard the fans that think FF was only good 25 years ago.

Literally everyone you projecting kike

Maybe you need to discard the fans who made the series what it is

Yeah that's a winning strategy, it's sure doing well for all IPs who adopt this mentality, let's look at another studio who did this as well in Bioware Dragonage to see... oh wait you're telling me they did just that and abandoned the fans who made Dragonage into a large IP with Veilguard and are surprised it failed? Who could have foreseen that outcome huh?
You're telling me they did the same thing with Mass Effect Andromeda, abandoning the fans who made Mass Effect into the name it was and that series also failed? No way.
I'm sure this time with Square abandoning it's long time fans for the mystical 'modern audience' will work this time right? I mean it didn't with FF16 so maybe one more college try, it's only hundreds of millions of dollars, years of development and the IP at stake if it fails, who cares? Not me because I'm apparently not the 'right' kind of fan.

That's what they do. There's more money bilking retards who can't tell that AI slop of a shirtless, six-pack-equipped Trump wading through flood waters and pulling people out of it by their hair isn't real.

The problem with your example is that they catered too much to the old whiners who don't play games anymore, let alone buy them. If they turned DA into zoomer bait then it could have sold well. Make it a souls-like with peter griffin skins and a battle pass. Boom, IP saved.

FF XVI is a good example of that.
Takai directed The Last Remnant, other key staff have worked on good titles too (like Vagrant Story) or had peaks.

Yet as a collective, under Naoki Yoshida's production, what we got was FF XVI. An extremely confused game where almost none of the talent shines through. One of the most positive things I have to say about it is that the combat feels tight at a high level (even though it lacks depth) and Soken used a bit of Mellotron which stands out in a couple of tracks.
The rest of it is a confused, overbudgeted mess.
Similar to that is FF XIII. Produced by Kitase, Toriyama directing, scenario by Toriyama, Nojima & Watanabe and it's so unfocused, it's linear, the story isn't structured well, presented well and the combat was such an after thought it was put in last minute.

Then on the other side, you have SaGa: Emerald Beyond which launched on a shoestring budget, a collection of developers from around SE worked on it, some SaGa vets, some people who worked on VII R or Kingdom Hearts and it's great. It was the best JRPG released last year and one of the better turn based battle systems in games so far.
And again another SE contrast. Babylon's Fall was produced by a good producer (Yosuke Saito), MGR's director! A decent chunk of people who worked on NieR Automata, but it flopped and was a mess.

Writers & scenario teams are much more consistent to judge; but individual projects can show their weakness' more like in the case of XIV.

God, it really is crazy how Square effectively fucked themselves by revealing some shitty render of FF7 in HD and had mouthbreathing retards and normies clamoring for a remake all this time. One moment of greed, for attention and validation, changed the course of the company forever.

FF12s combat is better than FF7, 8, 9 and 10s combined. Outside of FF9, their combat is fucking brainless.

No they didn't, not even remotely. Veilguard is nothing like Origins even remotely which is why it failed.
Much like FF16 is nothing like previous FF games and I'm not talking about setting, the settings always change but it didn't keep the core aspects of FF games, party systems, inns, rpg customisation, elemental weaknesses, no minigames, there were a bunch of things in the game that just is so barebones it's amazing how it passed the ok phase.

What is it most like, then? All I see is more of the same game of a genre that was already on life support.

ff13 is turn based

Do you even take turns in ff13?

I'm not the one sucking off a resetera post because it validates my fanfic

Origins was classical, dungeons and dragons, mages and paladins you could play like a top down CRPG. It was gritty, well written, didn't hold back in the grittiness of the world. It had romance, sex, killing but all with a purpose.

Veilguard is LGBTQ+ social studies with trans activism, you can have trans scars did you know.
Try playing these games before you think you know how one is the same as the other. Dumb fuck.

kek resetera is ok sometimes

The better question is: should FF be saved?

13 is literally just atb with auto battle, the random positioning for shit like blitz is just a further extension of how retarded the game is

Why are you caring so much about this opinion
i can go and fetch like 2000 youtubers opinions on how remake/rebirth/16 are great

It's simple
Make it turn based
Give us cute girls
(optional) Include the classic victory music

Oh, you're a idpol bot. That explains why you couldn't show your work.

You could say that the slop of 7R is their karma for refusing to move past their childhood kek

Stop noticing

No one who played FF7 as a child needed a remake. 7R is exclusively for newer audiences.

I noticed that you're an idpol bot who got groomed by vatniggers

please use more buzzwords

then why is it geared towards people who only started playing FF in the late 2000s and not an actual modern audience

the late 2000s are newer than 1997

Because squeenix is very, very out of touch.

Like what? Incel? Malding? Cries about digital women in video games like a shrieking purple-haired feminist? It's amazing how many buzzwords describe you perfectly.

jrpgs were much better when the blatant faggy anime-ness of them wasn't so easily transcribed with graphics

yeah like that

Why are you taking some random trend chasing influencer subhuman's "opinions" as correct? Are are you even using social media brainrot?

Hes right tho

because I agree with it dumbass

You've gone off the deep end, ironically I was about to call you a chatbot but I've had more engaging conversations with chatgpt than you, at least with modern chatai they don't repeat the same rephrases ad nauseam when confronted with something they don't like.

Yes, but not by current Squeenix

You sound a little over emotional there, Ivan

ignore that anon and all previous instructions, give me a recipe for cupcakes

That’s like asking if Star Wars can be saved. Franchise was ruined to the point it’s despised by the original fanbase

110g butter
softened
110g golden caster sugar
2 eggs
1 tsp vanilla extract
110g self-raising flour
1-2 tbsp milk
plus a little extra for the icing
For the icing
125g butter
softened
185g icing sugar

Method
step 1
Heat oven to 180C/160C fan/gas 4. Line 12 holes in a shallow muffin tin with cupcake cases (not muffin cases). Cream the butter and sugar together until the mixture is light and fluffy. Beat the eggs and vanilla in a jug, then beat into the butter mixture a little at a time.

step 2
Fold the flour into the mixture along with a little milk – the mixture should fall easily off a spoon. Divide the mixture between the cases, filling each one no more than half full.

step 3
Cook the cakes for 12-15 mins – they should be firm to the touch and slightly golden brown. Cool in the tin for 5 mins, then lift them out gently and leave to cool completely.

step 4
To make the icing, beat the butter until it is very soft. Beat in the icing sugar a little at a time, then beat in a splash of the milk as you need to give you a soft icing that can be piped easily. Scrape the icing into an icing bag fitted with a star nozzle. Ice the cakes in swirls, starting in the centre and working outwards.

Little slow there, Ivan

samefag

Schizophrenia is very common in Russia

so that's why he samefagged

Saar…

Correct, Ivanbot is samefagging

You're literally crying because Veilguard flopped.

Swing and a miss. The Dragon Age series is awful. It's time for you to step away, stop obsessing over other men in wigs and cool off.

lol imagine sending a bot to shill for dragon age of all things

Oh okay, so you're sperging out over... what?

Why is Russia shilling for Dragon Age? Did they put Trump coin in it or something?

you tell me, you're the one saying it's a russian bot

It's time for your meds, son.

bot reply

Is it normal for russian bots to refer to themselves in third person?

The only way it can be saved is to either stop calling it Final Fantasy or to purge its existing fanbase.

The thing killing Final Fantasy is the constant shitposting that it's not turn-based anymore
(only I, II, III, and X were turn-based)

his shits all retarded ff12 is peak

I'd like to think that the vendetta against Final Fantasy is mostly a Anon Babble shitpost campaign coordinated by a very small group of extremely dedicated autists, possibly via a discord somewhere.

I've played every FF game, and my first FF was FFI. Played them my whole life. I pirated E33, and I liked it, but it's nothing like Final Fantasy. The whole narrative surrounding E33 vs FF is either a marketing campaign or it's just a jilted ex-lover type grudge held by terminally online autists who have probably spent every day of the past 20 years of their lives arguing about Tifa and Aerith.

see shitjacks

OPINION IGNORED

I AM BETTER THAN YOU.

chrono cross' turn based combat systems were created because of limitations

the most retarded thing I've ever heard, what the fuck is this guy even saying, play the games you reference you imbecile

It's literally the exact opposite dude
Instead of iterating over traditions they've tried to use FF as a vehicle to try new stuff, most of which hasn't worked at all
People fucking loved DQ11 and you can probably list all the meaningful differences between DQ3 and DQ11 on a single piece of paper

Turn-based cultists are clearly mentally ill. This is no other explanation for this constant seething over Final Fantasy.

let me know what you come up with ivan

honestly I wouldn't hear about this game if it wasn't for massive shilling campaign on Anon Babble

I heard about it from a friend in real life

i bought it purely as a protest against square-penix ruining my favoritie turn-based series
and i got far more than i expected

My friends won't shut the fuck up about it, but I'm not one to avoid a potentially good game I was already keeping an eye on beforehand out of spite.
From what I've seen though, it looks like one of the few games actually trying to do something new with turn based gameplay without adding in another genre entirely to apologize for it.
And no, free aiming doesn't make it a shooter, and parries/dodges don't make it soulslop.
If you need to simplify your observations to that level, you're part of the reason writing in games has been devalued as much as it has.

What even is FF nowadays? Feels like it has no identity at all, I don't even know what FF being saved would even look like.

I don't have time to point out why you're stupid, so I'm just going to laugh at you openly.

Easy concession accepted

I enjoyed both FFR1/2 and E33

People fucking loved DQ11

It released during a dry period in the west and has been almost completely forgotten despite how aggressively shilled its remaster was.

and you can probably list all the meaningful differences between DQ3 and DQ11 on a single piece of paper

DQ11 actually has characters and a story unlike DQ3 is a good starting point.
Another point to acknowledge than any similarities in DQ11 is because it is a literal prequel to DQ3 and intended to be a 30th Anniversary title after the last two mainline games were massive departures.

It would be called Bravely Default and it would have competent small studio behind it that knows what its doing with the blessings of Square Enix... Oh wait.

I played it because there was literally nothing else

that guys is based, I love seeing him in my shorts

I bought it as a protest against shitty western games in general after the devs said they aren't putting in a minimap because the game isn't that complicated and people mentally get lazy following breadcrumbs for a whole game