1070 user looking to upgrade wtf is happening. I have to spend $1000 to get a good card with 16gb VRAM...

9070XT is rarely found at MSRP, in Europe it's above 140 euros above it

just buy a 4070 super it will last you a long time

You are an idiot if you buy a used bitcoin miner.
I would like to buy I don't think I can make another year or two. Games are really rough at 40 fps.
AMD is garbage and I will never buy one

used bitcoin miner.

4000 supers came out after the bitcoin mining fad dropped off

Hey OP, there is a solution! Peel here to find out!
Hey Anon Babble, the man (you) voted, Donald Dump, for is really MAGAing our country! Gotta love those tariffs![

People still mine other coins no?

GOOD MORNING SAAR DONT FORGET YOUR NVIDIA DRIVER ISSUES ON WINDOWS 10/11 WITH NO FIX

I'm glad retards like you are getting priced out of Nvidia GPUs, stick to iPhones if you want to be nigger-rich.

Your picture says AMD?

am I missing something?

Apparently the last 5 years of consciousness. have you been in a coma?

ywnbaw you disingenous piece of shit, gpu prices have been fucked for years

What did I do? I just want to play games

CPU

Driver

never touch a computer again.

IS RIGHT, iphone is for you

it's Trump's tariffs' fault that Nvidia released the 5080 (actually 5060 Ti) for $1000 (actually $1400)

Tariffs are making things even more expensive, yes, but they aren't the root issue.

AMD is garbage and I will never buy one

Sure, but stop complaining that Jensen is fucking every single orifice of your body then you fucking retard. You get exactly what you deserve.

You were offered multiple solutions.
You don't want to use it because you want to be nigger-rich.
Pay up, nigger, or accept that you're not actually wealthy and go back to consoles where you belong.

It says those who have AMD Ryzen CPU. Who buys those?

tariffs to end

Anon, its like the one thing that actually keep Trumps attention

Just stop being poor

tariffs

dumb fucking retard lmao

Buying a used bitcoin miner or an AMD (even worse) are not solutions. It's being a nigger to say you can either get dollar general steak or you get used worm filled steak from a back alley. Can I not just get an untouched normal priced NY strip? Too much to ask for?

>ywnbaw

>Discord tranny invasion of Anon Babble something something trans conspiracy blah blah blah

It's a good thing I'm not a woman. I'm glad God made me a man.

Yes, they are. Trump is a retard.

Im just hoping to get a 5070 ti for under 800 and think im being too optimistic. Some got to 830 but I dont know if they would get lower.

hurr amd sux

Sit the fuck down retard. The last time you bought a gpu was nine years ago, you literally don't know shit about anything. Amd and nvidia have basically switched places in terms of reliability since you bought your 1070.

uh oh chuds didn't take this one well

I still see nothing but driver issues and I play mostly VR and AMD isn't supported by most headsets and most games lol. AMD is a third world product

Yes, let's ignore the entire Njudea shitshow that has been going on since the release of the 5000 series. You know, you can stop taking corpo dick up the ass, they still won't know who the fuck you are, nor care about you.

Apparently the last 5 years of consciousness. have you been in a coma?

did you miss the trump economy?

next generation you will have to finance and go into debt for 5 years to pay for a graphics card to play games that are smeared with vaseline and run at a buttery smooth 54fps on an industry that has been taken over by UE5

Thoughts invoked by opening this spoiler: income inequality is sexy and I bet her sweat tastes like champagne and her pussy tastes like caviar

oh yes cause amd is doing so much better in that regard

Guess you're too poor, nigger, go back to consoles.

Nah, recently they absolutely do but brand loyal retards love living in the past and spout ancient memes to support their idiotic narrative.

Drumpf made Nvidia produce too few cards and created scalping. Impeach him now! Ignore the prices in Europe being completely fucked, too.

I just want to play VR man

OP definitely got (I was going to say built, but let's be honest, we all know he just bought a prebuilt) his first PC around 2016 and decided to attach himself to a brand the same way he does consoles.
He should go back to consoles where he belongs.

Ah yes. If kacklin kamala had gotten in GPUs wouldnt be so expensive

Wrong. I need vram for skyrim load times.

Consoles cost more than PC's

AMD is garbage and I will never buy one

Ok then you're going to pay a premium. It's like only using macbooks. Ok, but you will pay more

Project much? I built my PC and I play VR where most of the headsets don't support AMD and neither do half the games. It's not brand loyalty. AMD is not capable of running the games.

Libtards aren't men though. They're emasculated males

What are you playing? I'm only using a Quest 2 and everything I've thrown at it works perfectly fine on my 2nd pc (which is an all AMD build btw).

She would have cut the tariffs on Taiwan and Biden's chip act would be doubled and we would have cheap easily available GPU's and more powerful too because of the subsidies.

AI upscaling

AI frame gen

AI cores

AI drivers

AMD is more like Linux where you can't even play games with anticheat and Nvidia is like Windows where you can do everything

You're making shit up, I played VR fine even back on my old shitty R9 Fury.
Pic related.
Go back to consoles.

Imagine looking at the 10 years straight of price increases for any reason, and then saying that price increases are because of solely tariffs is retarded. Please kill yourself

Half of the games don't work. You can look up a list of non-working and unoptimized AMD VR games. Most of the new PCVR headsets excluding the Quest don't work with AMD at all.

The only issue I've heard about with AMD is VR and drivers. And I've heard the drivers have improved while nvidia has had some bad drivers lately

Again, you're making shit up.
Go back to consoles.

The only console they can use is the nintendo switch

Pretty sure this is a bot thread.

Care to provide proper examples instead of these vague catch-all phrases? It's your claim that shit doesn't work so maybe back it up with proper evidence unless you want people to keep calling you a bad faith nigger.

yes the good ones cost like 1000+
there are finance options. you shouldn't be buying one every year anyway

5000 series is the worst NVIDIA release in the last 10-15 years. Should've upgraded to 4000 series and then sat on it until more major leaps were made.

$1000

Skill issue, anon. Skill issue.

Games with actual anti-cheat devs only need to click a box to enable anti-cheat support on Linux and most of them do.
The only games that don't work are ones with NT Kernel malware that operates as a Rootkit. Which does nothing to stop cheating, but enables a lot of very questionable things.

Pimax 8k and 12k are the highest quality VR headsets and they are not compatible with AMD GPU's.

most of them do.

Lol which ones? Day of Defeat Source?

We are all gooners and step-sisters in binds now anon!

tariffs are necessary for america to have jobs in the future, we need to bring back manufacturing

I went from a 1070 to a 5090, it's really nice.

i would pay these prices if the performance was actually good and not DLSS gay fake shit

If you can afford a Pimax 8k or 12k then you can afford a 5090.
Stop being poor.

5070 ti is decent and around 800. New amd card is cheaper than that if you only care about gaming. Absolutely do not wait, shits just going to get worse, ww3 is about to start, and when everything blows over prices will Absolutely not drop anyway

tariffs mentioned

sissy fantasy begins

nice work princess, just like last thread

Do you see how pathetic you guys are? The flip flop is insane. Someone should screen cap this

Okay, now THIS is definitely a bot post.

Bitch nigger people said the exact same thing about the 40 series and they will say the same thing about the 60 series

It is decent but that kind of performance is not worth $800. $800+ is flagship and super premium tier crap which the 5070ti is not.
The most you should be paying for that kind of card is $600~. Ideally something like $520-550.

That doesn't mean both statements can't be true at the time of each series' launch. The 4000 cards were a refresh of the 3000 on a smaller node, and the 5000 is a refresh of the 4000 but with more power running through the cards.

AMD IS PERFECT IT HAS NO ISSUES IT'S JUST AS GOOD AS NVIDIA

ACTUALLY OK IT DOES HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES BUT YOU'RE BROKE IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD NVIDIA ANYWAYS AMD IS FOR THE WORKING MAN WE CAN'T PLAY THOSE GAMES EITHER WAY

Having tested a Crystal Super on a 9070XT, it works perfectly fine, but I'm sure you have more experience with your outdated 1070 rig to find a way to discredit my post with nonsensical and biased bullshit anyway.

You are correct, but those are not the prices youre offered anymore, nor are they the prices that will be offered again. I am fortunate enough to be able to spend an extra two hundred since i care about blender and video editing. Fuck jewvidia and everything, but thats the reality of the situation for poor fags.

You're once again just making shit up.
Bot post.

Crystal Super is not the 8k or the 12k. It's the entry level Pimax which is not worth buying.

What did I make up?

but it's entry level and not worth buying

Thanks for proving my point you bad faith nigger. Keep moving goalposts while crying about GPU prices as if you were ever able to even afford a Pimax 12K.

cpus do have drivers tho

nor are they the prices that will be offered again

Maybe not. There's reason to believe the Arc B770/780 should come in at around those prices. Granted, tariffs will probably fuck with that, but it should be at around or lower than the price of the base RX 9070.

lol at the triggered amd brownskins in your replies

Bro, you weren't using a Pimax 8k or 12k on your shitty GTX 1070, who the fuck are you fooling?
VR works fine on AMD, stop pulling shit out of your ass.
Either pay the Nvidia tax and shut the fuck up or go back to consoles.

I went from a 1070 to a used 3080 for cheap. Doesn't struggle in a single game even at 4k dlss. Currently playing final fantasy maxed out at 4k dlss performance. Locked 60 fps.

that's what they said about the 50 series, inb4 6080 16gb

go back to consoles

He can't. AMD is there.

He can get a Switch 2 then, either way, he needs to fuck off from PC as a platform.

You already conceded the AMD is an inferior product that is not capable of working with the best hardware. There is no argument after this. You lost.

VR is very gpu intensive. I also play competitive shooters at 390hz

Locked 60 fps.

Yikes

tariffs

it's not the tariffs making nvidia put a 90% margin on their shit

Wasted power and heat when I don't need a frame more than 60 fps when I'm playing on a controller on a 4k TV.

My biggest complaint about AMD is I have to listen to people gurgle their cocks while seeing them several times more overpriced than their Nvidia equivalents. At least some Nvidia cards are in the ballparks of their MSRP. AMD cards are so far away from it its disgusting.

I have a 3080 and you are full of shit. Unless you mean FF1 pixel version or some shit. Its a perfectly fine card but it absolutely can not run anything remotely GPU demanding maxed out, let alone maxed out at 4k.

He's European

My condolences.

No ff16. Playing it maxed, 4k dlss 4 performance. Only things turned off are vignette and chromatic aberration.

while seeing them several times more overpriced than their Nvidia equivalents.

That's the thing, they're not. Windows users say they want alternatives, but none of them will actually buy them. So they wind up in limited supply and selling at prices base on how they perform on Linux, because only Linux users are actually buying them.

Nothing to do with that dumbass
If anything, when tariffs actually hit you’ll pay more
7800xt is good an cheap mid card if you play 1440p

Windows does weird shit with AMD drivers though. It's almost as bad as Nvidia on Linux. You have to get into policy editor and stop Windows from installing drivers with Windows updates.

t. dualbooter

Amd should be half the price of nvidia considering they have half the features, half the dev support and half the perf/watt.

bad bait

half the perf/watt

... Do we tell him?

The whole reason AMD RadV is dominating the handheld PC segment is it offers the absolute best performance per watt.
The lack of dev support has more to do with Nvidia payola than AMD lacking features. It doesn't help if the newer versions of FSR are on par with DLSS, if Nvidia-sponsored games are still using poorly implemented support for FSR 1 or 2.

AMD and NVIDIA operate as a cartel to keep margins high.

Despite over 50% margins, it still isn't enough. Both companies are competing for wafers with themselves for AI and in the case of AMD, CPUs too. The margins are even higher on those products.

The barrier to enter the discrete GPU market is very high. Intel is struggling and they have been making iGPUs for over 20 years.

I would like to buy a 9070XT for MSRP too, but all we can do is suffer. We can’t even hope for an AI crash. Because when that happens, do you think AMD and NVIDIA will be like “lets make more GPUs now”? No. They will just cry to daddy government for a bailout.

i play Stable Diffusion and DeepSeek

And the 40 series.
And the 30 series.
20 series was probably the last one that wasn't an utter complete shitshow, be it price gouging by scalpers, price gouging by Nvidia, shit specs to prevent AI use, or all at once.

Trump is responsible for the last eight years of absurd GPU prices!

Ignore bitcoin miners

Ignore scalpers

Ignore Covid lockdowns which fucked everything tech related

Everyone smart enough to build their own gaming pc. Only browns buying prebuilts are using intel.

I'm sure you will be very happy working in a dirty factory 8 hours per day.

Yes anon, dumb leftists are dumb, nothing new

dirty

Anon, pls
I bet you shit on farm work too don’t you

Amazon workers already shit in bottles in the warehouses. What makes you think factory conditions will be different.

meanwhile Advanced Mechanical Dreidels can't compete with a card from 2022

20 series was priced terribly thoughbeit.

What's the alternative to Intel? ARM? Fuck that.

This. The cards were fine but the pricing on them was awful.
Take your revisionist history crap elsewhere.

You are an idiot if you buy a used bitcoin miner.

obviously you vet your card. I only buy ebay stuff when the seller includes the original box and/or presents it nicely like it's his personal property (and not a slavecoin card). if you scored above average on a standardized test, it's not that hard.

I play mostly VR

oh so you are a vrchat tranny.... makes sense why you are so retarded

AMD, you mongoloid.

he's ACTUALLY shilling for that red garbage

good one anon

AND what?

t. userbenchmark

Nvidia only made 12 5090's and 20 5080's and gave men all to Indian scalpers. Sorry, anon.

I have a 1650 laptop version and can still play every game at 1080 60 if I turn the settings to low, even the notoriously unoptimized games like monster hunter and ff16. Is there something Im missing because I see lots of posts from people with better cards complaining that games are unplayable and they need to upgrade. Ive been looking for an excuse to upgrade but there genuinely havent even been any AAA games I cant run yet. thinking of waiting for the ps6 and next xbox to upgrade cuz im pretty sure im fine for this gen if this is the best games can do with ue5

20 series

20-30% price increase justified solely by "muh RT"

RT was basically nonexistent in games and the 20 series couldn't really run it in the first place

not gouging

The 10 series was the last worthwhile Nvidia generation. Everything after that has been scam after scam.

he thinks the prices will go down

Heh... New base consoles will also be $699.

This is the state of Anon Babble. They're so destitute they even know Indians are better off than them.

Pc gaming is controlled by a monopoly that doesn't give a shit about gaming. Get a ps5 if you want to play new games. You're not going to find anything worthwhile on pc.

Name a new game on PS5 that isn't exponentially better on PC.
Inb4 the only exclusive, Astro Bot. Bing bing wahoo is okay when Chinese companies do it.

You can't even overclock your hardware. Pathetic. Nor can you play Beam.

I got myself a RX9070. In my region, the XT model of that card is significantly more expensive, plus I'd have to upgrade my case because no 9070XT model fits mine, AND I'd have to buy a new PSU too as it draws significantly more power than the non-XT.

I've no clue why everyone is saying to get the XT. That +12% or whatever difference in performance is just laughable.

Amazon is not a manufacturer anon, it’s a shop

if you undervolt the 9070 you get xt performance for free with lower fan noise

VRAM is a scam, just save your textures on floppy disks.

GPUs were totally cheap and affordable 1 year ago

You both know and don't care that you are being dishonest.

Yeah, AMD for some reason seem to think that they are the premium brand in Europe with their temu-tier cards.

It's a way to keep brown off PC gaming and keep it pure. The downside is poor whiteboys will also have to switch to consoles

saying that price increases are because of solely tariffs

The most recent increases? Definitely because of tariffs you moron.

Can you screencap it? I'm not seeing anyone saying the stuff you're greentexting but maybe I'm just not following. In fact, seems like there are plenty of people giving good info in replies.
I haven't been involved in this argument, just found this thread and am enjoying the drama with my 1070 Ti-powered 4:3 :D

They don't have any competition unless you run Microsoft Word instead of a gaming OS

Because the XT is often more energy efficient

300 watts is more efficient than 220 watts

LOL

I’m not sure about the new one sorry, just saying that’s usually the case, they usually use less energy for matching performance