Play a game taking place during the renaissance & Napoleonic era

It was really only potentially exciting during wartime. And even then you'd sometimes spend weeks or months without seeing any potential action at all during a comission.

War used to have a bit of adventure to it. It's why WW1 was so brutal. You had grandpas telling tales of adventure and heroism, and then when the young soldiers got to try it themselves all they ended up doing was getting trenchfoot and dying in a ditch or en masse to machine gun fire.

Was Napoleon treated as a le irredeemably evil boogeyman in the 19th & 20th century as much as Hitler is now?
Will Hitler be looked back as a normal person & badass military/political leader like Napoleon and not le evil boogeyman in a hundred years or so?

I don't think Napoleon ever wanted to genocide an entire race of people

The only *bad* thing about Napoleon was his total indifference to black slavery

Hitler just wanted them out of his country and the original plan was to move them to Madagascar

There was never any intentional plan to murder them in the concentration camps

There is zero evidence of gas chambers in particular

By the end of the war, the Allies' mass-murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians in mainland Europe with indiscriminate bombing campaigns

They not only bombed civilians and their houses, they bombed railways and other supply chains

So, when Allies found people in the concentration camps, they were starving and sick because the Allies bombed Europe so badly and so indiscriminately, that food/medicine wasn't getting to them

Allies mass-murder of civilians wasn't "collateral damage", it was intentional, they called it "strategic bombing"

The nukes dropped on Japan was one of those cases, but they also killed millions of innocent civilians in mainland Europe on purpose.

Also the USA had concentration camps for Japanese people

Oh boy here we go

The Napoleonic era was unique in that it was the rise of nationalism and when truly massive armies started getting fielded. When you go from fielding 15k guys to fight the english in the 1400s to fielding 500k guys to dismantle the Holy Roman Empire in the 1800s you're going to need a lot of officers. Thus the opportunity to rise up and get promoted to a higher position is more available and at the same time serve your country and be honorable and glorious. Napoleon himself was a low noble field officer who rose the ranks.

Currently going back and forth between reading Sharpe and Aubrey/Maturin books and let me tell ya buddy, it just doesn't get any comfier
Currently on Letter of Marque, where Aubrey is a commissioned privateer after being disgraced in a fabricated money scandal, and just finished Assassin, where ol' Sharpie and Harper have to unravel a conspiracy to assassinate Wellington after Waterloo and ends with a solo fire-backlit duel in Paris with troops watching on

The british love their wannabe wunderwaffen like the riflemen and mark tanks

I thought the third missile said Ejaculated at first...

I know the plots in Sharpe get increasingly ridiculous, Cornwell even says things in the postscript like "I had to do a lot of work to get Sharpe to Trafalgar" but it doesn't make them less enjoyable

It's crazy how both men and women love this time period

Sharpe

Which order do you read them in?

Play a game taking place during the renaissance & Napoleonic era

Besides Assassin's Creed 2 and some strategy games like The Guild for Renaissance, and strategy games like Total War for Napoleonic era, name five other games for those settings.

Life as a soldier is portrayed as adventurous, honorable and full of glory & action, with the unbreakable bonds of brotherhood

Camaraderie and bonds of friendship were formed between soldiers as a result of the harsh army life in fact. They might have went on an adventure but there was no vague concept to it like honor and glory. Also, their military lives on campaign was mostly boredom and not seeing combat as they spent more time marching or sitting in camp.
Actual egalitarianism and meritocracy go a long way in bringing very competent people together to manage something.
Sharpe is just Napoleonic special forces lol. They're very fun books but absolutely unreliable for actually getting an idea of a soldier's life during that time.

Was living as a soldier during the renaissance & Napoleonic era really this badass & exciting irl?

I imagine most of the time, you're just maintaining things, doing repetitive tasks, drilling, and following orders. Just like what soldiers and sailors do right now.

No. Literally not at all.
There was no real career progression unless you were from landed gentry or artisotracy. THe best the average joe could do was put his entire life into it only to reach the rank of sergeant and do all the work the officers should be doing plus the work the NCO's have to do.
The best option was probably the army since your out in fields compared to ships were your option for a toilet was over the side, unwashed wooden seat or a bucket inside a rocking ship during a storm. Where you'd be ordered to then collect the shitbucket for the captain during said storm to clean it out. Your options for food was salted beef or hard brick like bread that you had to soak to hope to absorb some moisture to make it somewhat edible and the occasional fruit on ports of call. You'd walk around in either bearfoot on light plimsoul like shoes absorbing human feces during the storm which could last days to weeks. All because two retarded inbred cousins had a slight argument during a party while you spend years away fighting to come home to guess what destitute poverty. It was a shit life. Military is still a shit life but much better than then. I always find it funny when people idealise being in a military before like 1880s or 1890s.

sail across the pacific

sleep packed shoulder to shoulder in hammocks with a bunch of hairy unwashed guys

officers, including snotty retarded teenage midshipmen that don't know anything about sailing and whom you could break in half with one hand all treat you like subhuman slaves because that's the naval tradition

you don't even have access to the actual toilets, have to shit in holes on the bow while officers go in the bathrooms that have windows specifically facing the wooden bench with a hole where you have to shit, so they can feel superior to you even whilst crapping

everything is perpetually moist like a 100% humidity day, because unpainted wooden boats sealed with cotton and tar aren't really waterproof and the sea is always soaking through the hull planks

every single day you eat bug ridden dried beef and biscuits and chase it with increasingly watered down booze and end up diseased before the next port (the navy has understood nutrition and known that oranges cure and prevent scurvy for nearly a century by now but fuck you, you're the scum of the earth, if you weren't you wouldn't have joined the navy, and dried beef and biscuits are naval tradition by royal decree of 1258 and you need to respect that or you'll taste the lash)

every square sail requires like half a dozen men on top and another half a dozen hauling ropes on the deck in coordinated procedures to tack it to catch the wind, and there are 8 or 9 of them on the ship that have to be tacked simultaneously to keep the ship moving whenever the wind changes, so that's what you're doing all day, every day when you aren't picking bugs out of the food or trying to shit as the sea spray from the bow goes up your ass or trying to sleep while half the guys around you are "stealthily" jerking off

after 8 months of this same routine you restock supplies in Tahiti and the whole crew gets dysentery

No.

regurgitate a comfortable line of pre digital age propaganda , having no experience with anything more and only ever relying on hearsay and group pressure

receive multiple lines of readily available digital age knowledge with countless hours of research and dedication from truly admiral intellects

No lmao. Its been reduced to two sides, one saying lets discuss what we obsetve and grow truth and understanding in all things, the other about to be permanently destroyed by their own creation.
When every human on the planet from the lowest mudman to the highest aryan larper can reach in their pocket and within 30 seconds have enough damning evidence to justify a genocide of your ethno-terrorist ideological group in moral, ethical, and logical defense of themselves, theres no putting that toothpaste back in. Go somewhere in space, the humans will launch rocks at you that will catch up in a year or two lmao, its over.

Read war and peace, the Russians didn’t see it that way

Life as a soldier is portrayed as adventurous, honorable and full of glory & action, with the unbreakable bonds of brotherhood

soldier no
noble officer yeah

Don't listen to this guy Half of that garbage book is Tolstoy seething endlessly at Napoleon because the reputation of his aristocratic family got shat on during 1812 invasion. The other half is a cheesy melodramatic soap opera where Tolstoy is self inserting himself as some young and handsome aristocrat officer.

THERE'S FORTY SHILLINGS ON THE DRUM

I always find it funny when people idealise being in a military before like 1880s or 1890s.

To be fair. It was probably unironically better in the times of the greeks, romans, then mongols. The french and english unironically ruined life.

Anon you really need to take your meds.

Napoleon treated as a le irredeemably evil boogeyman

Depends on who you're asking, the Polish people and Italians alike has been fine with the guy since day 1

No, it wasn't, you moron.
The medicine and treatment of soldiers were way worse.

They werent coming back to destitute poverty retard.

Soldiers had shit lives and it was basically indentured slavery. Not for the officers, of course.

I mean I guess. You came back to a more fair society where you actually had homes and such but you also had much worse medical standards and you were fighting a much more brutal fight. It's your pick of the worse death. Getting an arm ripped off from a cannon ball or choking on your blood from a musket round or getting disembowled via a blade but then thats if you won a war. You probably had it even worse if you lost a war.

lol
lmao even

War is always, and will always be bad. Besides. It seems that the 20th century is the actual century that freaked the fuck out the most over war. So they probably had it the worst in terms of ways to die. Ill admit ive always been privy to the idea that geting sliced by a blade must be worse, but obviously mustard gas and machine guns are probably worse i guess.

For me, it's Hornblower.

Hitler was so based he put Napoleon son grave next to Napoleon

In a surprising act, Hitler ordered the remains of Napoleon's son to be moved from Vienna to Paris in 1940 and placed beside his father's in Les Invalides. This action, likely a gesture to appease the French people and ingratiate himself with occupied France, was seen as a symbolic act of respect for a historical figure. The remains of Napoleon's son, Napoleon II, had previously been buried in Vienna. This move was not a sign of approval or "based" behavior, but rather a strategic political move during a time of occupation and war.

Everything written about that guy is just pure fake.

why were old timey military uniforms so cool bros

Why was he such a dick to his wife?

Counterpoint. Im Europoor and know actual people who lived through that time. Hitler wasn't some humanitarian hero. He did fucked up shit.

It seems that the 20th century is the actual century that freaked the fuck out the most over war.

It began with Crimean War where most of events were recorded by photography and telegraph (although heavily censored) then given to public.

Hitler ever seen as badass

Dude spread out his forces on two front and lost

bought the first book after an anon recommended it to me in some 40k thread

still haven't read it

I'll get around to it eventually...

Also the USA had concentration camps for Japanese people

is there more on that first time I read that?

They had to see each other through lots of smoke made by black powder.
Here, uniform of French artillery during Seven Years' War.

They were all pretty brutal, but he didnt do anything more atrocious than any of the other generals and commanders at the time.

She was a cunt to him, she guilted him into a loveless marriage while wanting him to quit de Navy.

just let the other side backstab you and lose even harder bro

Who were better bros, Horatio and Kennedy, or Horatio and Bush?

They were all pretty brutal

Compared to today's Russians, both of these were saints. None of the attacked cities were complete destroyed by the Nazis.

be pre-modern soldier

Survive the war

Come back with your own land and a loving wife

be modern soldier

survive the war

get a 25% McDonalds Coupon and your wife cheating on you with fifty other men

Come back with your own land and a loving wife

Are you retarded or what?

uhhhh anon youtube.com/watch?v=1j2zE4odoUg&ab_channel=GDF

Women have always cheated. From the moment our species have existed, women have always behaved the way they are now. They just have easier opportunities now with social media and phones. I used to believe in love and romantic views of past eras, but the reality is sad and women always disappoint.

there's 40 shillings on the drum for those who volounteer to come

coup your ally and place your brother on the throne as a foreigner

what could possibly go wrong?

my trade restrictions are crippling Russia's economy so I should be more lenient on them?

well it is my way or the highway

what is Russia gonna do?

Coalition that shitcanned is offering me peace that ends my hegemony but keeps me on the throne?

nah I'd win

His own arrogance is what did him in.

Name 1 game

That's the problem: there's none. And this is not exactly the genre small indie devs could cover. There's some overlap but in a healthy gaming economy this would be the territory of AAA devs who'd be willing to take a risk after a hit title.

game has romance as quest reward

the player can refuse it for currency

this was before feminism retard, you'd get your wife's father's land after marrying her.
if you marry some tavern whore and not your childhood friend who you've grown with its entirely on you.
I don't think its a concept modern people can understand, but back in the day everything was local and the whole village grew alongside each other, if someone was a whore everyone would know of it.
This changed in the industrial revolution which promoted social mobility, and thus women went away from their families and started whoring without any social repercussions or shame.

There’s triple digits to be checked
For those who dare to stand erect
And meme about what Bane will say
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O'er the posts and oe’r the threads
Through memes alive and memes long dead.
The janny bans and we evade,
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Through shitposts dire and takes red hot
To threads by shills and fags and bots
Where we shall post and we shall stay,
Over the boards and far away.

Though I may travel far from chans
I still shall post Masketta Man
For memes are with me night and day,
Over the boards and far away.

So post, you lads, what Caspere knew
About what jannies deign to do–
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When OP posts upon the page
I'll neither hold nor stay my sage.
I’ll comment how OP is gay,
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O give me dubs and give me (you)s
For Huey Lewis and the News.
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Let Moot and Hiro come and go,
The poster’s life is all I know.
The memes I post will never fade
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That's how every single front city looks. You can't compare the scale of destruction.

Coalition that shitcanned is offering me peace that ends my hegemony but keeps me on the throne?

Imagine being so spineless and blind to not see that Napoleon didn't have a shit about throne and he exactly knew the coalition subhumans wouldn't rest until he was dead and everything he had built to be dismantled.
Just look up how they offered """peace""" to Joachim Murat.
Nigger, Jean Lannes had to divorce his wife immediately because she cheated on him when he returned from war to home.
90% of soldiers throughout the history were serfs who neither had any land nor had the right to choose their wives themselves.

wouldn't rest until he was dead and everything he had built to be dismantled

A fragile hegemony made on top of butchery of revolutionary subhumans that were ten times worse then the monarchy they toppled?

didn't have a shit about throne

He tried to crawl back to that same peace treaty when Paris was next on the chopping block.

But he literally lost it all in his lifetime and then they restored the monarchy right after.

It's not really an Empire if you can't hold onto it.

Being a Mongol during Temujins reign must have been so awesome ride all day drink all night from time to time pillage some cityslickers and take their women and valuables.

Jesus christ that face and those eyebrows she's like borat with tits

fragile hegemony

Is that why it's still relevant two hundred years later?

revolutionary subhumans

Oh, you're a royalist lmao. Opinion already thrown into the trash.

He tried to crawl back to that same peace treaty when Paris was next on the chopping block.

Lmao he was just trying to buy time to maneuver his forces to better position with a few days of delay in diplomatic negotiations. Read a history book, boyo.

Realistically the chance to die of some disease was greater than dying from combat. WW2 was the first war in human history where more soldiers died from combat than illnesses thanks to penicillin (it was discovered after WW1) and thanks to nutritional science to prevent scurvy and other diseases that result from a lack of nutrients (Vitamin C and with it the whole field of nutritional science was also only discovered after WW1)

Hell there was a good chance to die of those before even being deployed, because due to people living in the same place all their lives and global food trade not being a thing yet, your gut flora could ONLY handle your local food so the moment you left for a new area it was diarrhea galore for weeks on end... combined with poor food and lots of physically demanding labor.

They're good, old-fashioned fun with sympathetic characters you care about going on adventures. What's not to love?

He was called the antichrist by the Spanish after his coup against King Carlos IV.

they were relocation camps because the government was afraid of Japanese spies and it was easier to pick out a Japanese than a German just by looking. It was certainly a tragedy but nowhere even close to the scope of the holocaust, basically a bunch of Japmericans got relocated to these camps with marginally shittier but not abysmal conditions and were forced to live there til the end of the war. there was abuse by guards etc but more along the lines of abuse in regular prisons. the US government rightly apologized afterwards but again it wasn't even close to the holocaust, a book I read as a kid mainly described it as being forced to go to a particularly shitty summer camp for a long ass time.

I first read them in the order they came out, not chronologically
I'm on the last few I never touched or missed for some reason, like Havoc and Assassin

The German Concentration Camps had better facilities than the American ones

Is that why it's still relevant two hundred years later

No. Because it collapsed immediately after the Russia campaign and everyone that was forced into it turned their guns on France.

you're a royalist lmao

Royalists didn't go to war with everyone, including France that wasn't fond of Parisian retardation. Explain to me how royalists compare in butchery to paranoia induced mass beheadings and Pol Pot tier attempts at societal and religions annulment. Not to mention they went to war to export this instability and were everything they accused Louis of being but cranked up to eleven.

Lmao he was just trying to buy time to maneuver

Fair but Paris still had no hopes of holding out this long and every one of his generals knew that he in a state of coping.

Wars were unironically fought with honor in those days.

Yet a certain European nation desperate for dominance for its Jewish masters spat in the face of the unwritten gentlemanly agreement.

The enlightenment truly was peak humanity

youtu.be/43j87Wkp0DE

youtu.be/q1mNQ38n6EA

Holdfast

and the Russians too for spreading Revoluationary ideals there during the invasion of 1812

it collapsed immediately after the Russia campaign

Ah, yes. It IMMEDIATELY collapsed after 1812 in April of 1814. I guess the largest recorded battle in history where Napoleon decisively lost a battle in his lifetime and his fate was sealed didn't happen during late October of 1813.

Royalists didn't go to war with everyone

Except when le heckin ebin le roi soliel chimped out for six decades, nope, the good monarchy dindu nuffin. Disingenuous post, France was on defensive for most of the coalition wars.

Fair but Paris still had no hopes of holding out this long and every one of his generals knew that he in a state of coping.

It could actually. Read about it, the coalition attacks on Paris were fiercely met and repulsed with their leaders anxious that Napoleon was less than twenty miles away to aid Paris despite their combined number were still less than their own forces attempting to assault Paris. His generals were mostly looking out for themselves.

For some men, it really was, yes.

For most, no, it was brutal, torturous and brief.

I recommend the memoirs of the Baron de Marbot if you're interested

Holdfast

Absolute dogshit. Completely ruined by greedy and lazy devs.
Imagine actually believing this shit.

Posting some rococo style art aka over romanticized crap

Jesus...

Considering most had to be conscripted, hell the lads getting blown to smithereens on those ships probably got kidnapped from the pub and forced onto the ship, no I think it was probably fucking awful for the vast majority.

22 June. This morning I went to visit the field of battle, which is a little beyond the village of Waterloo, on the plateau of Mont-Saint-Jean; but on arrival there the sight was too horrible to behold. I felt sick in the stomach and was obliged to return. The multitude of carcasses, the heaps of wounded men with mangled limbs unable to move, and perishing from not having their wounds dressed or from hunger, as the Allies were, of course, obliged to take their surgeons and waggons with them, formed a spectacle I shall never forget. The wounded, both of the Allies and the French, remain in an equally deplorable state.

blow your brains out, you'd get the same experience fighting for inbred pedophile aristocrats

Come back with your own land and a loving wife

Delusional. Maybe if you were an aristocrat or Merchants son.

play Ryse Son of Rome again

being a soldier in the roman legion portrayed as the badass purging of barbarians plauging rome

as the chapters go on Marius starts realizing that they’re wasting legions fighting inconsequential battles against tribals unga bungas

turns out being a soldier is miserable and the real enemy are the retarded heads of state

No, Napoleon will be seen with some respect unlike dictators like Hitler, Putin and Trump because Napoleon was a military genius who revolutionized the art of war with the Corp System, and more importantly, was willing to lead soldiers into battles while the rest were LARPing as generals.

Hornblower

gay

The biggest thing is he revolutionsized government with the Napoleonic Code. That's what holds him in high regard even by his enemies as it is still a widely adopted significant part of Western governments

I recall from this, the author spent months in Poland bullying Jews and taking their stuff.

What is the shelf life of citrus fruits?

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sleepy-eyed flat-chested jewess is horrified that the white man would rather she pay him gold than spread her legs.

KEKAROOO
You don't think, period.

What is the shelf life of citrus fruits?

when dried? about as long as any other dehydrated foods, just don't mind the bugs.

You don't think, period.

Hilariously ironic

Italians alike has been fine with the guy since day 1

not really

Napoleon was the last hero

no more heroes anymore
no more heroes anymore

Polish yea but lots of Italians I think will have problems. Destroying the papal state and knights of malta has to piss off some of them

M&B Napoleonic Wars is THE GREATEST napoleonic war game created. Holdfast tries to recapture the same kind of magic, but its never really clicked for me.

Say Napoleon did make it back to Paris in time, what then?

get rid of King

put emperor in his place

institutes first mass draft in European history

feeds the entire male population into an endless meatgrinder out of ego and hubris

loses entire empire to a single country a fraction his size

revered as a national hero

The french truly are retarded

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I mean, you could just pull on some random island and pick up native girls in exchange of some funny looking glass, thought glass was pretty expensive as well back then but at least the girls weren't hag looking and full of sickness like 99.9999% of euro women back then

This image is stupid, implying that the bourbon monarchy and the french aristocracy weren't absolutely awful.

And yet somehow better than what followed. It's amazing how that happens with every single leftist revolution that has ever happened

loses entire empire to a single country a fraction his size

HRE, Spain, Portugal, Russia, UK

comparing someone from modernity and Napoleonic wars

Weird choice, but I don't think it's fair to call Russians evil for their refusel to pay to germans and french with their own money and genocide/obliterate them.

Be Burke

Hates revolutions

Replace Neapolon's rule with the Conservative Order, aka the oligarchical system that modern conservatives want

It's so shitty that in 5 years it kicked off the Revolutions of the 1820s

Then the Revolutions of 1830s, including another revolution in France

And then ANOTHER revolution in France that turns it into a Republic that permanently abolishes the monarchy in 1848

Not if you found the King's shilling in your pint

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