tf2 is centered around game sense
Is this the worst class design?
Tf2 is centered around game sense
yes it is
first person shooter, 'main' weapon is a knife
easy to perform instakill attack, no need to even aim because back hitbox is massive and arbitrary
as a result appeals to people with an 'all or nothing' mentality who perceive anything that is 99% effective as being 0% effective and cry if they're not top scoring
top scoring is easy tho because you get more points for your default killing method than any other class
'all or nothing' mentality also makes them forget they have a gun to such a degree that playing spy with a gun is literally a named and quirky playstyle because of how rarely it's done
they whinge and moan that they literally have no way of protecting themselves or killing if they can't backstab
not intended for teamwork
not incentivized to help the team, only stand behind enemy spawn and backstab the same one noob heavy over and over until you topscore a losing match
No the worst class is the sniper
Only people who hate snipers are those who hate merit
Highest skill class, not for losers, git good or switch back to Scout baby boy
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Spoken like a true cheating tranny
Highest skill class my ass, go back to playing point and click games for babies
bot mindbroke people by showing them what a machine can do with a class, so now they can't comprehend human input
it's like if you called all games in the world easy because some speedrunner made a TAS beating it in 2 seconds by breaking the game and then performing a humanly impossible but theoretical input, so now no game is difficult
machines aren't people, loser, find a different excuse for why you're bad
>topscoring is easy
Yeah bro it's so much easier to get 2 points by successfully getting up an enemy's ass without getting one shot by 11 other players, than get 2 points by standing in a safe spot and clicking the head of an enemy who can't reach you with more than 6 damage if they even see you at all.
Wait nvm I just read the rest of your post, you have no more than 15 hours on Spy.
Extremely buggy class, the only saving grace is the threat of instakill and stock revolver
All of what you posted is invalidated with a dead ringer, diamondback, and kunai because that shit gives you a near instakill and tank health
Exactly and in those 15~ hours I top scored enough time to realize it was easy baby shit and didn't wanna play cause I don't enjoy easy mode
it's so much easier to get 2 points by successfully getting up an enemy's ass without getting one shot by 11 other players
As if 12 players are ever this close to one another
As if you ever go for those instead of cheesing easy kills
than get 2 points by standing in a safe spot
Aiming is harder than not aiming and just swinging
Being in the frontlines which is literally where you'll be at all times except the very start of a game in spawn, which is not where 99% of the game takes place, means you're always unsafe
But we don't have a gay cloak or disguise to protect us and a weapon that instakills from short range even if we swing it like a blind rat, we still have to aim, always, and aiming is hard for you because you don't even know where your gun is lodged
I play the rocketman, miss all my shots and spam medic so I get pocketed. Spies can't backstab me if I'm badly rocketjumping everywhere
tfc needs skill, tf2 is more noob friendly and thats not a bad thing
TFC is one of the most godawful experiences I've ever played. Its a game where the only classes that are actually engaging in combat are the Snipers. Everyone else is just mindlessly spamming chokes or trying to bunny hop past everything to get the flag.
No that's sniper
NOOOO I HAVE TO PRETEND TO BE SOMEONE ELSE AIIEEEE IM LOSING MY MIND
It is both the worst and the best.
A demo camping on a choke is only a sitting duck in TFC. A spy who knows the layout and knows how to b hop and move efficiently can rape anyone camping
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its the most unique class, and its fun
literally who the fuck cares about ideal balance or competitive play
any game is fucking unfun on a competitive level because people optimize things that arent fun and things that are fun just lose. so who cares. spy is fun
BANANA LAND
you didn't type this in 4 minutes anon or should I say OP
that said the worst class is pyro because his range is ass and his airblast is only useful on 2 classes, maybe 3 if he's fighting a cuntsman
you really think typing up that much text in less than 4 minutes is difficult? good god, son, get off the ipad it's fucking you up
i'm not OP i just use a pc and know how to articulate myself quickly
that said the worst class is pyro
eeeh, i'd disagree, pyro is like a suicide bomber he runs in, does damage and gets punished for it immediately
annoying but manageable and actually good and fair if you have good skill with him
also i'd have sex with him
spy is fun and i hope he stays kinda shit
he's my most played class but i don't hope for buffs apart for ambassador revert
i legitimately wouldn't want ANY class removed
but spy is the biggest candidate for every criticism, potential of hacking, being broken, one shot kills, safety of achieving kills, easy point, etc etc etc-
i still don't want him gone or anything, i'm just saying, if spy players are gonna throwing stones at ANY class at all, i hope they know their house is the one most made of glass, any criticism that can be applied to any class is gonna be applied most to them so it's in their best interest not to chat shit
Literally when was the last time you played the game? That loadout doesnt work since Jungle inferno.
Highest skill class
objectively incorrect.
it only requires one of the core skills required for TF2. aiming.
barely requires smart positioning aside from just "stand in sniper spot"
does not require ANY skill based movement whatsoever.
Strafing
Rocket jumping
pogoing
trimping
etc etc, sniper needs to learn none of this
literally all you do is click on people. you don't even need to click on heads.
a bodyshot kills a majority of the classes in this game including the most important (medic)
here's your (You) given how desperate you are for it.
Medic is the gayest class in game because of how bullshit ubers are.
Dustbowl style choke maps are the gayest maps in game because of how it awards braindead explosive spam.
TF2 is far from a well designed game.
You almost made valid points but then...then I found out you're GAAAAAYYYYY!!!!
ehhhh
nah
only requires one of the core skills required for TF2. aiming.
which is difficult at max precision when heads are far away and tiny, and equally as difficult up close when you can be destroyed by any other class and things constantly move on your screen
barely requires smart positioning aside from just "stand in sniper spot"
which is smart if you want a spot that people won't instantly aim for, also dodging other snipers
does not require ANY skill based movement whatsoeve-
*DEAD*
sorry you didn't move when a rocket came at you or a pyro ass blasted you or a spy shanked you or an enemy sniper aimed at you
literally all you do is click on people. you don't even need to click on heads.
but then you'll get no kills cause nobody gets shot once in the body and just stands there and sucks their own ass unless they're a noob
and all spy does is click on backs, which have massive hitboxes
all pyro does is click anywhere
all scout does is click vaguely in the vacinity of someone
all engineer does is click on building
anything sounds stupid if you don't take into account actual effort and skill
dominates 6 players with kritz by shooting at feet
soldier takes no skill tbf
which is difficult at max precision when heads are far away and tiny,
doesn't matter. you lose nothing for missing, you just reload and get to try again. no skill.
miss a shot on scout? you probably die and lose the 1v1.
miss a rocket on soldier? you probably die and lose 1v1.
miss a crossbow on medic? lmao, back to spawn with you.
miss on sniper? oh that's fine buttercup, just go for it again since nobody in this game can punish you at your effective range!
dying to one rocket when they're aren't even half healthing you at range.
LMAO, not reading the rest of your post, retard.
sub 1k hours newniggers who only started playing post 2016 are something else.
miss a shot on scout? you
run away
miss a rocket on soldier? you
have tons of health and you fuck off
miss a crossbow on medic?
you deserve to die, you're playing medic
miss on sniper?
you're buttraped because you've been spotted, have no mobility, and it's not guaranteed you'll ever hit a shot if you can't develop a skill oops now the game moved along and you gotta move point and get shanked while you do it by a guy who's entire job was standing behind you for the last 2 years waiting to shove his knife up your ass
wow you type like a faggot
"you lose the 1v1" x9999 on a team based game
retard detected maybe stop trying to be john wick LOL
Recently I came across those TF2 voice actors do stuff videos and I was surprised how Dennis Bateman still sounds exactly the same. Others also usually sound close but changed a bit while Spy still sounds the exact same from 18 years ago
Unironically spy would be fine if Valve nixed the dumbass respawn glows that compfags and youtubers asked for
inb4 why would having all "friendly" players being highlighted through walls at respawn and during the time you've just gone through a teleporter be bad.
Sniper still sounds pretty damn good too.
sniper hate
american (cant aim) or soldier (no skill class) main
This being said I have no expectation for them to do this because
Valve makes a gameplay change Gassed enemies now count as wet and now the Gas Passer and Third Degree combo
Literally every YouTumor starts sperging the fuck out demanding Valve nerf shit
It's shit but at least its one of the things that helped me learn why friendly disguises are useful too. Most of the time when I go on backlines I just disguise as friendly scout so my hitboxes look smaller and I don't get wallhacked
Spy is the worst class in terms of needing to be effective.
In terms of game design though? Spy is one of the most interesting classes in the game in that he works in a disorganised pub environment that tf2 was designed for.
Spy has other problems than that. The guy seriously needs some vertical mobility. It should not be possible for an engineer to just completely shut spy out as a counter by using wrangler to build shit on rooftops and it's ridiculous how easy soldier and demo can shut spy out by jumping onto rooftops as well.
It's shit but at least its one of the things that helped me learn why friendly disguises are useful too.
Making the most optimal disguise a friendly scout and praying he isn't wearing a lime hat should NOT be a priority when designing a class who's specialization is deceiving the other team.
Even if it works.
Highest skill class
sniper is just scout for bitches who don't want to learn positioning or dm skill.
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sniper and heavy demands more aim than scunt who only has to click at torso every second or so
who only has to click at torso every second or so
scout has to get close without being spotted and jump around like a spastic the entire time while being accurate to not die
who only has to click at torso every second or so
right because sniper can't bodyshot half the classes
spy is a sneaky class too yet takes little mechanical skill
scout at close range has easy time aiming because enemy body takes up like quarter of screen
at least heavy has to track targets constantly and sniper has to click tiny pixels
but sniper bodyshot
only works against non overhealed light classes when hardscoping which have no business being in your sightline (frontlines) in the first place and deserve what's coming to them
try again
Heavy is one of the easiest classes to aim, though.
Heavy essentially fires 4 bullets each shot so in a way he fires a full auto shotgun although more accurate. That alone makes heavy aim more demanding compared to scout. Tracking is significantly harder compared to firing a single shot.
Rapidfire is easier than single click. Every mistake made with rapidfire is just a tick of damage lost. This is why the sniper's uzi is the "secondary to use when you need easy damage" weapon, and is why heavy is actually considered one of the easiest classes.
Opposite. Single shot weapons are much much easier to hit with because you only need to aim once compared to rapid fire weapons which require to keep your crosshair on at enemy at all times to get same accuracy.
Which again, only amounts to individual ticks of damage loss for every little mistake you make. The cost for missing single fires is far greater hence why they're harder.
spy is a sneaky class too yet takes little mechanical skill
what do you call the 10k hour kunai spies who can trickstab constantly
scout at close range has easy time aiming because enemy body takes up like quarter of screen
at close range is also where you die instantly. good scouts keep their distance.
at least heavy has to track targets constantly and sniper has to click tiny pixels
this nigga is seriously arguing heavy is harder to play than scout
only works against non overhealed light classes when hardscoping
scout struggles just as much with overhealed classes. sniper can run piss rifle and be very effective with only bodyshots.
which have no business being in your sightline (frontlines) in the first place and deserve what's coming to them
maybe in a comp game where everyone understands how busted sniper is but your average pub there's no shortage of weak enemies to shoot at and medics are rare.
Ask this question to yourself anon. Which is harder?
Having your crosshair on a moving target for 1 second straight or once every second?
Once every second because it's a whole second worth of damage lost every time I fuck up. How many times are you going to make me repeat myself?
I hate sniper because he's a magnet for cheating faggots though
what do you call the 10k hour kunai spies who can trickstab constantly
pubstombers
because spy only works against noobs/average skill level players unfortunately
spy is the worst class btw
at close range is also where you die instantly. good scouts keep their distance.
yeah but that doesn't mean scout takes the most skill.
scout struggles just as much with overhealed classes. sniper can run piss rifle and be very effective with only bodyshots.
piss rifle sucks. While bodyshotting is good and has its place not going for headshots at all will gimp you. Most of your kills are supposed to be headshots.
maybe in a comp game where everyone understands how busted sniper is but your average pub there's no shortage of weak enemies to shoot at and medics are rare.
What's your point? Shit enemies get rekt by good players? A good soldier, demo, heavy will get more kills than a pubstombing sniper ever will.
Based retard. I have no words for you.
spy is easy
are you playing against bots
it's true
sniper is really easy to get good at
just get the quickscope timing down and go download walkway and newbots and just grind your quickscope aim
it's a soulless low brainpower class as evidenced by the bots just being a fucking navmesh hooked up to an aimbot
I noticed that as soon as Sniperfags are called out for their class being OP and not being as skill heavy as they claim, they immediately start attacking Chadier mains.