Can he?

I doubt this is a convo beyond A vs B fluff, but objectively speaking SEGA wholeheartedly refuses to provide Sonic Team the means, see '06, and Sonic Team seem to wholeheartedly refuse to fully use them even when they fall in their lap, see Mania development and sequel.

Mario is literally in decline and Sonic is more popular than ever. What a time to be alive.

No. Sonic's gameplay is awful.

Sonic has also just spent the last two decades copying whatever Mario is doing. Mario in space? We'll have Sonic go to space! Mario in an open world? We'll make an open world Sonic game! Mario is going back to its roots with a throwback 2D game? We'll do that! And so on.

So you're not going to surpass the thing you keep copying.

/thread

And then dk came back

He came out of nowhere and lead the best sonic game in years. Will they ride the wave or drop him again in favor of sonic?

honestly a big mistep if they don't keep
using him

sonic games have always had a goddamn idenity crisis
people just want to run fust but they keep making weird bullshit

meanwhile Haste is the best sonic game that was ever made

Shadow has always been kino

I enjoy the occasional sonic game (by that I mean the last time I played one was on the Wii). I just think sonic has a very annoying personality and I can't tolerate him for long unlike Mario

female protag

its always the same

adventure 3

hot ass booty bitch carrying him around

Easy money

Mario in decline.

What kind of alternative reality do you live in?

They censored Rouge and made Amy stop loving Sonic so, no. Series was already becoming more soulless, now it's completely soulless.

Sonic can easily surpass Mario if they drop him and instead make Shadow MC like everyone asks them to

Mario has been friendzoned eating pastries for years

Sega needs to let this shit go. They haven't recovered after the console race, considering when Saturn flopped in North America, and especially when the Dreamcast was dethroned by PS2 in sales and admitted defeat in early-2001, and they sure as hell haven't recovered their loyal mascot in the world of 3D platforming. Need I remind the infamous Sonic 06 or Boom?

people just want to run fast

That's why Advance 2 was the best Sonic game. But then the Sonic "fans" threw a bitch fest. "Wah, where's the PLATFORMING and NUANCE!" Then you go back and play the games they claim had such great platforming and it's shit.

The irony is you can also run faster and longer in Mario games.

Sonic is absolutely capable of surpassing Mario.

Sonic Team is not.

Sonic actually increased in popularity and sales after they dropped out of the console race. But it was in large part because of them putting their games on Nintendo consoles and partnering with Nintendo to make collab games like Olympics and Smash. Them trying to surpass Mario is literally biting the hand that's propping them up.

lol
lmao, even

Sounds like you missed out on Shadow Generations. It's honestly an amazing game and received critical acclaim. Even on Anon Babble no one has much bad to say about it. That along with the release of the 3rd Sonic movie has propelled the series into the highest acclaim its had in over a decade. They fixed alot of the issues with frontiers and made a great game.

The question remains will the keep the momentum or fumble? again...

reddithog

for years

Theres the difference

Considering Sonic Racing Crossworlds is now rumored to have TMNT and SpongeBob in it they aren’t even trying.

Idk you tell me anon

They need to become a global brand, in Japan Sonic has sold a total of 4.2 million units 2.8 million of those are Olympic titles

It was so fucking dumb not making it mania 2 they should have let the same studio handle all the 2 d games. Americans get 2d sonic better than japanese dev. Suck up your fucking pride and just deal with it. Pixel art is better than shitty 3d claydo style shit. I swear the people making these choices keep on nuking the games.

Advance 2

Hey, don't start with me on the whole "you missed out on the whole Sonic Generations and movie series shit," because I actually saw the Sonic movies, especially the third movie thrice in theatres, and the movies are the only things I give a shit about Sonic in this day and age. And for the record, I did play the Racing game a few years back and even played Generations recently and loved them. Even from someone who's a former Sonic fan, I can still play Sonic games and enjoy them

You like the boost era?

Sonic Superstars was nominated for Best Family Game at the Game Awards 2023, though it lost to Super Mario Bros. Wonder.

kwab

In the early 90s Sonic was almost there (except Japan never cared about Sonic). The no-show on Saturn and a decade of dogshit 6th-7th gen games knocked Sonic out of contention

the last successful sonic game was a shitty compilation of the genesis games 8 years ago

Nah, at least wonder was mildly successful, despite being the worst mario game ever.

I like Advance 2. Didn't like Rush.

Didn't like Rush.

Awww, it was my first Sonic.

shadow gens got better critic scores than mario and luigi which came out at the same time so things are looking up. sonics racing game could be better, but if its anything like TSR forget I even mentioned it. if both mainline games keep pushing for open world slop then I think sonic edges it out just because sonic is more suited to traversing it faster.

So you played shadow generations?

Never gonna happen, I'll make sure of it NINTENDO FOREVER NIGGAZ

I saw this movie 22 times and I'm going to break that record when 2 comes out

The irony is you can also run faster and longer in Mario games.

Mario Run on iphone also decimated every Sonic.... Mario RUN FFS

Girl boss princess... yea I'll skip, call me back when he actually saves her and doesnt come across a bitchy little faggot! I want my hero from mario64 my hero from galaxy, the guy who doesnt give a fuck and goes to all odds to save her, not some fucking little faggot white boy who doesnt believe in himself, they turned from a aryan viking god into some adolesence incel bumbling faggot, so yea i'll pass, his character was literally Luigi... where the fuck was Mario??? Show me one image from box art of any mario game where he comes across as some faggot? Dont worry I'll wait fucking cunts

Lmao now compare the score between Wonder and Superstars.
Or Forces and Odyssey.
Or 3D World and whatever game they put out at that time.

He could have but its too late now.
Its not even necessary either.

new entry in a spin-off series vs. New mainline game

Jej

SEGA POWER

the new mainline game got better reviews than the spinoff that was shat out at the end of the console's life, Sonic is back baby!

When I took time off work, I've been playing this shit for hours and I loved it

I sure hope Sonic fans care this much about review scores when World utterly destroys Crossworlds

new main line

its basically bowsers fury bonus content and its still better received than a full new game.

Theyd have to fire everyone at Sonic Team to even have a remote chance of this coming true

Mario in space? We'll have Sonic go to space!

This happened in 1992.

Of course they want that, why wouldn't they?
But normally, such thing would be impossible, as impossible as a team of 6 people doing a a crude RPG game for the game boy to succeed and surpass every franchise ever.
However the impossible can be possible from time to time.

As long as they do another Shadow Geb and not Frontier, sure. For real, Frontier tried to be a 3D platformer, an action game and somehow an RPG. It was too scattered for his own good.

In game quality? Probably if Sonic Team get their shit together, Mario gamaes are great but are lacking in lot of things.
In term of popularity? No, it's far too late

How did a fat Italian manlet become popular in the first place? I can understand a scrimblo like Sonic gaining popularity. Mario has never made sense to me. To be honest though, I always thought both were shit.

t. Jazz Jackrabbit chad

You guys really like to regurgitate old headlines

The original SMB was groundbreaking for the time.

Maybe Sonic will surpass Mario when he finally gets a good game.

I suppose it entirely depends on what definition they're working with "surpassing" Mario on.
I'd say by most metrics that matter (as someone who plays videogames) Sonic's already far surpassed Mario.
But I could say the same about like, the near entirety of the industry. People only really "care" about Mario because he's "The Nintendo Guy".
SEGA doesn't do hardware these days and Microsoft and Sony don't really have an "Xbox Guy" or a "Playstation Guy".

Lol no, but they have the potential to make Sonic much bigger.

And Mario Land had space levels in 1989. And again in Mario Land 2 in 1992.

How did a fat Italian manlet become popular in the first place?

For things beyond him. People liked the music and gameplay of his games. They weren't obsessed with him specifically. And kids didn't really care about Sonic's personality either. They just liked the music and running fast. The problem is Sega of Japan thought people liked Sonic because of his "cool" personality and kept playing that up.

And again in Mario Land 2 in 1992.

...which is why I said what I said in my original post.

Like genuinely the only time I know anything's going on with Mario is when the shameless marketing spam is going on, or transgender weirdos pretending Mario 64 is DEFINITELY still interesting or even remotely a good enough game to obsess over for 30 years straight

Sonic squarely beat Mario, on its own console back in the GC. Everybody has fond memories of playing SA2B on GC, whereas SMS only gets hate. They can do it again too since Switch 2 has 2013 graphics, they could go all out with a cinematic Dragon Engine Sonic game, but they won't.

I believe in Sonic's ability to surpass Mario

Such as uh

Everybody has fond memories of playing SA2B on GC, whereas SMS only gets hate.

That's because Sonic has mostly been churning out shit since then whereas Mario continued receiving good games so Sunshine looks worse in comparison

by most metrics that matter Sonic's already far surpassed Mario.

Like what exactly because it sure isn't the games

Everybody has fond memories of playing SA2B on GC

No they don't. You do. But not "everybody." I and none of my friends bought it on GC. I owned the first one on Dreamcast and didn't really care about even trying the second.

He did in Western countries but Japan barely gave a fuck about him which is partially why they kept injecting anime/jrpg influences into his games until Yuji Naka fucked off. Frontiers being heavily BotW inspired likely was them trying to reach for that audience again.

Got a steep uphill battle if they want to do that. But with the Switch 2 being a brick now should be a good time to try something.

So, when he debuted?

They just have to do what this guy says:
youtube.com/watch?v=WgPIR89oYdg

I never liked Mario games very much and used to grow up with the 'better' Sonic games, but even I have to say the quality was always questionable.
The bad games are probably overhated but even the good games are somewhat janky and lack gameplay direction.
Maybe Adventure 2 actually beat Sunshine. Never played Sunshine myself, but Adventure2's presentation alone beat so many games at that time.

Wonder and Superstars

both are shit and superstars might still be better despite looking worse

Forces and Odyssey

mania came out at the same time and was better than odyssey

Everybody does. You're a vocal minority with shit taste

Sa1 and 2 are beloved games

Sega makes 3 Mario games and Nintendo makes 3 Sonic games. The games are

AAA 3D platformer that must introduce a new gimmick and a new main character

kart/sports/party side game featuring other IPs from the same company (Nintendo IPs for Mario, Sega IPs for Sonic)

spin-off game of any genre with a character other than Mario and Sonic as the protagonist

How bad things would go?

imagine having a dreamcast and not being able to enjoy it.

always run fast.

Nah, Sonic is not a racing game, but it sucks if you come out of looping and run directly into a wall. Sonic fails to do many running segments in a way that feel safe to run through and not require you inhuman reaction speeds or know the level design. Make one mistake and lose all speed or fall off the map.
Slower fighting and platforming sections are fine

Adventure actually felt like the CoD(MW) for its time. Going around the world with everything exploding behind you and even going to space

Bait.

sega makes the olympic games so that might give a hint at mario quality cant really comment since I never played them.

nintendo had sonic in smash and he kinda sucks. like he's op but his moveset is garbage, so if thats an indicator to how nintendo would make sonic it might be best that they dont

I enjoyed Soul Calibur, DOA2 and Power Stone a lot more than Sonic.

nintendo doesn't make the smash games, that's bamco and sakurai.

Depends on what area you want to surpass Mario in. Surpassing it in game sales will never happen, but many have surpassed it in other areas, like merchandise and movies. In those areas, Sonic is already bigger than Mario.

sega will always fail until they kill their entire community manager team off and hire the old guy who used to run the twitter except also put him in charge of marketing and remove all outside influences and payment processors that influence company decisions.

is it really bigger in merch? japan sells like no sonic merch, but you'll see mario shit everywhere. I guess sonic actually gets merch in other countries though.

How come they never made an actual crossover game that wasn't a sports game?

IIRC it was mostly established that it wouldn't have made for a compelling game if it was a straightforward crossover.

nah that guy was a faggot who sucked ego raptors cock.

this idea of mario being some kind of insurmountable juggernaut that puts out solely generational masterpieces only exists in the heads of manchildren who solely play mascot platformers and have a steady diet of chicken tendies and soda
Mario has been constantly outdone by other platfomers since the 90s, even when Sega dropped out of the console market, Mario was still outdone by Crash, Spyro, Ratchet and Clank, etc, games with far higher production value and care, but Mario stays above all of that because he belongs to a console and he was there first.

No.
Sega doesn't make consoles anymore.

no

That was posted in November 2023. So, no he can't or he'd have done it by now.

Mario was still outdone by Crash, Spyro, Ratchet and Clank, etc, games with far higher production value and care

Then why did most of those franchises die while Mario has stuck around?

imagine if they just kept making more CTR. I wouldnt even care about mario kart or sonic racing. I guess its for the best though because that would actually be insurmountable without other games taking drastic measures to improve

Then why did most of those franchises die while Mario has stuck around?

Bad corporate management. Their games are well received and sell very well, but the corporate shuffle and rights management issues is what ends up killing studios which leads to dead IPs.
The three franchises I mentioned are western, and western game development is far more tumultuous than eastern. Crash and Spyro got sold to Activision, then Activision got sold to Microsoft, then Microsoft demanded more live service trend chasing slop and closed down any dedicated studios developing things outside that purview.
Nintendo milks Mario for all he's worth, unlike Microsoft/Activision/etc

Mariochads are 6’3” chiseled manly gods like the Bobmob. Sonicfruits are weird shut in trannies that end up raping their own mothers. The science behind this phenomena speaks to the quality of each respective franchise.

rogueshit

fuck off

Literally none of those are console manufacturer mascots, and Ratchet and Clank is still around as one of the sole survivor's of Sony's

Pump out three games from an IP and then sell it to someone

Strategy.

They'd need to drop voice acting and edgy stuff, which is something I don't want... Also they tried before with cartoony shit and failed, just look at Colors and Lost World, abysmal for a lack of a better word.

The companies that made these games abandoned them to pursue the "serious and mature gamers" market or were absorbed by larger companies that don't care about "mascot games".

If the rate of kids born with autism continues to rise, sure.

deer seega

Depnds, what exactly is "surpassing Mario" for them?
If it's making Sonic appear across different media and whatnot, sure. I think they're on track.
If it's on vidya, never. That ship sailed years ago. Sonic team is incosistent as fuck when it comes to quality. Shadow Gens is the only recent game that has been received extremely positive by the mainstream and sonicfags.

Sonic always has been and always will be cartoony

There is no correlation between Sonic and autism.

Can he?

lol. no. Sonic will always be garbage because Sega has no balls and dropped Dreamcast support too early.

Mario doesn't have the personality needed to be a multimedia character like Sonic. He's more of a mascot than an actual character.

But since Nintendo is going more into multimedia stuff, it makes me wonder how they'll handle Mario going forward. Link too with the Zelda movie. If you plan to take your characters beyond video games, you can't really leave them as blank slates.

So, is that Sonic Blitz leak legit? Also, why do nobody like boost Sonic?

Go back to your drawings, Chris.

Chris Chan hasn't cared about Sonic in years.

Compare Wonder to Odyssey to Galaxy. I quite enjoyed 3D World + Bowser's Fury though.