Is he right, Anon Babble?

notch needs to shut the fuck up and enjoy how lucky he got in life. What boredom does to a fag.

one-hit wonders sometimes get a very inflated ego where they think that their lightning in a bottle is their average and not a complete and total outlier.

like what the fuck have either of them done since minecraft/braid? the witness was completely shat on and notch still hasn't done anything since copying infiniminer and they still think they can talk like some authority despite proving they don't have what it takes to be good creators.

That is why I respect Capcom and Pearl Abyss. They have shit engines, but at least they still give it the good old try. They didn't bitch out like a lot of other studios.

Minecraft is a simple engine. lets see him write Unity on his own and not take 20 years to do it

he is more right than he is wrong
look at all the modern devs who have no clue what they are doing and the garbage unoptimized trash they shit out

If they can't develop their own integrated circuits are they really programmers?

be extremely wealthy

spend your time complaining on Xitter

Why?

Why doesn't he just move back to Sweden, reconnect with friends, and make some games together?

extremely wealthy

despite saying the n word, he didn't end up becoming a chud

move to japan

learns to draw

learns to use linux

made his own game

more based than FAGOTCH

t. trusts the media

He doesn't really. OP's post is 6 years old and all the whining about him being depressed and argumentative is 8 years ago.
His twitter since is mostly shitty game reviews and shitty jokes.
He's working with people on some voxel dungeon crawler and made a company for it a year ago.

Yeah he's right. You can be a game dev without knowing that shit, but you can't call yourself much of a programmer.

That's more like asking a chef to build his stove

literal peasant pleb brain

oh boy I wish I was wealthy!

becomes wealthy

spends a year splurging money on luxurious shit like a big house, trips, alcohol, prostitues, etc

after a year of doing that he's already ran out of things he wanted to do

now all he's got is whining on twitter about random shit

this is why wealth just disappears in the hands of pleb brains, they don't know how they could gain political status or have any actual influence or change history's course, they're just children who go to the candy store, buy all the candy, then go home and don't know what else to do

he didn't end up becoming a chud

lmao Pewds literally doesn't live in Sweden in large part because of third-world immigrants ruining it.

Indies using tools to get by are one thing but AAA studios should not be using ease of access engines for their games. They're AAA studios ffs, make something to stand out from the rest. Cheaping out at the very start is a very bad sign for a game when you have a big company at your back.

he didn't end up becoming a chud

Have you read the books he recommended?

depends if he also wrote his own compiler

game dev =/= programmer.
I'd rather more game makers be maxed out at making games and just good enough at programming. Miyamoto didn't need to be able to write a compiler or whatever would make you a "real" programmer.

notch already made his own games though, decades ago, and they made him billions of dollars, he's past the point of "self realisation", not that I hate pewds or anything but he's doing stuff that a high schooler would do, wow you learned to draw and make a basic game! cool! high schoolers can do that! lmao, notch is an artist with a child's brain, and pewds is a jester with a high schooler's brain, the only interesting thing about them is that they made money

He's right, but only if you also accept that you don't need to be a programmer to make a game.

non-programmers made..THIS ?

What the hell else is there to do? If I was in his shoes I would probably still be on here shitposting.

He didn't say "do make one." He said "if they can't." IE: would not be capable of it.
If lack in that amount of competence, what are they qualified to do? Edit CSS?

and? are you on of those retards who thinks someone is better than you just because they have more money than you?

youtube.com/watch?v=vudnMLzZjTg

big words from someone that leaned on LWJGL

I would make a PMC, buy prisoners from el salvador and start hunting glowniggers in africa

nigga made a game in java lmao

I think games made in popular engines like Unity and UE are just as valid as ones with custom engines, its the end result that matters.

He's a chud he just hides his powerlevel extremely well

true sign of genetic trash if you're poor in the 21st century

NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

KILL JEWS

ah yes, he sure hides it extremely well

He's Norwegian, right? Why is he posting about American fascist conspiracy theories? Most Americans would kill to live in a socialist country yet he wants his country to be more like the US.

make your own engine bro

*spends three years making a basic 90s dungeon crawler*

Don't forget to build that oven too, and dont think about using bowls and paddles before building them yourself too, you are not a real programmer.

Imagine posting on the internet without building your own internet. Or PC or PC parts too, what a scrub.

Swedish

Literally anything. You go on youtube and see someone doing X hobby that you want to do and think "I bet that's expensive" he can afford it. He could buy his own F1 racing team if he wanted, the possibilities for him to whittle away his time are almost endless.

calls notch bald, something he can't change

moves goalpost because he's a self made billionaire

kek

Dustborn.

no
licencing a game engine was standard practice back in the day. Everyone just used renderware instead of Unity.

So, if a game developer can't come up with their own game, are they not a game developer?

shows what a terrible person you are

He made minecraft in java.
What is this fat cunt even talking about?

t. would rather trust faceless anons and believe everything he sees on the internet rather than humans

humans

I mean this is a pointless argument though, the possibiities for you to whittle away your time are endless, you could pick up any number of hobbies that don't require a lot of investment, you could clean graffiti off the walls in your neighbourhood, you could volunteer at animal shelters, there's a million things that you could do other than shitposting on social media all day, but you don't do it because you don't want to, you don't care, notch also doesn't want to buy a racing time, he doesn't care about racing, or any other hobbies, just like how you don't care about hobbies

he's so deluded that he sees a human on tv and thinks it isn't one

i pity you, so divorced from reality

You talk like a fag so its a good thing no one gives a shit about what you think.

Nice try, lizardman

they're not coming for you, not matter how much you beg
your god doesn't exist and you're screaming into a void that won't stare back

make your own engine bro

*development is so slow devs are impressed they managed to spawn a 3d cylinder on the screen*

*game takes 3 years to have a "pottery" update*

*devs are impressed they managed to make ragdolls*

make your own engine bro

*generic and unoriginal 90s dungeon crawler takes 3 years to make*

I'm behind six layers of tin foil you can't get me

the truth

it's a nigger

What did Notch mean by this?

socialist country

look inside

capitalist country with slightly higher social spending (subsidized heavily by the US)

lol

Doesn't matter, he has a small penis

I give a shit what he thinks.

I'm making MY OWN engine!

*spends a whole day to implement something that every single FOSS comes with for free*

Is notch using his own programming language too? How can he call himself a game developer if he's using an assembly language from someone else?

No. It's a question of time and resources that you can/are willing to spend.

Human

Doesn't have free will or thought. Only puppets what it's told.

Felix is a high functioning chud.

you can cover yourself in as much tinfoil as you want, nobody will come to get you, especially not the 'lizardmen'
THE GOD YOU SO CRAVENLY WORSHIP DOES NOT AND HAS NEVER EXISTED

I would buy myself a REAL mansion and go offline for all of eternity.

Did he tell you that personally?

>*spends a whole day to implement something that every single FOSS comes with for free*

What's your point? This doesn't seem to directly address what Notch said in the OP.

How can he call himself a game developer if he's using an assembly language from someone else?

Reductionism is a poor excuse for an argument. It's fair to say that a game developer isn't worth his salt if he isn't familiar enough with the inner workings of his game logic to make his own engine. Assembly language is a tool, not the logic.

america has the highest social spending out of any country, it's just all disappears into the hands of jews because of corruption, then dumb mutts think that it's because shekelberg just worked really hard to a billionaire, not because his uncle works at the government and gave him 0 interest loans from taxpayer money constantly

Most Jewish post award
I would kill to have socialists fuck off forever

No, to use his same analogy

A programmer that builds his own engine would be akin to a chef that grows everything himself, it's not just fresh but it's been raised to the absolute pinnacle of what he desires.

A programmer using a pre-built engine but optimizing the shit out it would be akin to a normal chef, someone that cooks with fresh ingredients but doesn't have total control over the exact specifications of said ingredients.

A programmer using a pre-built engine but doesn't optimize would be the equivalent of a McDonalds worker

A chef that can only make frozen pizza would be someone that doesn't optimize anything but also doesn't add anything themselves and is akin to just doing an asset flip.

nooo not the free schooling, free healthcare, paternity leave, guaranteed paid holidays, low crime rate, high social trust, green energy, high numbers of refugees, and no homeless!!! Help me Uncle Sam!!!!

B-BUT WHAT ABOUT...

America is still a capitalist country and makes most of its wealth from capitalism.

Assembly language is a tool, not the logic.

programming language

isn't logic

Thank you for doing the job of blowing yourself the fuck out for me.
Yes, a game engine is no different than a programming language. It's a library of logical functions with a visual UI that makes it easier to visualize things. It features things that are basic so you don't have to reinvent the lightbulb every time you want to make some shitty game.

Your game is not more original or better for having "your engine".

Chefs are usually not butchers or farmers.

actually adding on to this
if they need to look up code online then they aren't real programmers.

You know not all chefs can farm or hunt their own protein? Also, a cooking analogy. Really?

'free'

Look inside

Still pay for it, at a higher price, amortized over your entire life, AND the government gets to skim various bribes off the top

no thanxxx

jewish kvetching

lmao, america makes most of it's wealth from oppressing thirdies with their military, then pretends to spend that money on the mutt golems that are the footsoldiers of the zog military, but instead 90% of it goes to the jews, who pretend that 0 interest loans and bailouts from the government is free market capitalism

Yes and America's only flaw is that it didn't ally with Germany in WW2.
Imagine if we ended the war by nuking London. Kino.

Meanwhile we all have a house to live in, don't have to worry about going bankrupt or losing our job while we're sick, don't have to worry about our kids getting shot at school, can receive tertiary education for free and get a well paying job all over the EU, and we don't elect a barely literate Nazi to be president.

But I live in a VERY COMFORTABLE prison!

quite the argument there

Yes, a game engine is no different than a programming language.

By the same analogy however: a chef that grows everything themselves is not subject to any food regulations or even an expert on the matter. Meaning it can be full of parasites or other toxins nor even grown at the ideal circumstances.
And then a substandard burger costs $1,500.

Division of labor and the specialization that came with it is what allowed modern technology to even exist. An age that expects everyone to basically do most steps themselves means that too much time is wasted in these previous steps.
And engine you make yourself can and will have some nasty bugs at a CORE engine levels, prebuilt engines are much less likely to have those.

Additionally, making and debugging the engine to a modern standard will cost you more time and money than making the actual meal... same if you were to grow ALL your ingredients yourself, were to boil your own water for salt, etc.
youtu.be/URvWSsAgtJE

you're an engineer? So you can make a car from from just rocks right?

I would rather live in a dystopian capitalist society that is actively trying to kill me rather than work together with my fellow countrymen and make a better society

wew

lmao you retard mutt, your government spends more on healthcare than the european governments, AND you have to buy insurance from jews, AND you have to still pay at the hospitals, you get fleeced THREE (3) TIMES by the jews

you should be able to
T. Engineer

Yeah

Yes.
Note: It's fine to string together all sorts of external middleware though, just like it's fine to buy pre-made pepperoni and cheese.
Gotta put it together and bake it yourself though.

food analogy

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA
I mean he's right but still

notch has spent a full year and his generic dungeon crawler is nowhere near completion

I love "I'm making my own engine" horror stories and it's hilarious that the richest game developer on earth is going through it publicly.

At least he'll get out with the cope of "It was a recreational project" and stay a rich man. Most of the retards that started making a game on their own engine aren't as lucky.
They'll spend three years working a simple 3d character node only to realize that someone can get to where they are in 40 seconds by clicking the download Godot, opening it, and spawning 2 premade nodes which already have all the functions perfected, then they realize that if they had spent 3 years working with a free engine they would have gotten a game out by that point. Then they quit game development entirely and you never hear from them again.

All it takes is a simple search on youtube for me to find tasty sadistic content.

youtube.com/watch?v=syXajBd7fz8

he spent 3 years making a simple isometric game

literally years of this man's life, at least 6% of his lifespan, making an asset-manager UI that comes with every game engine

he has to fix problems that an FOSS engine would have 3 years into development

he has to put in all that time to make an asset manager where he can place assets in a 3d grid world which is a basic functionality perfected by any game engine

after 3 years remaking the wheel he can finally (maybe) start thinking about the game part

You must also mine the rocks yourself btw

godot

pffffthahahahaha, might as well make your own engine at that point

Europoors are obsessed with america.

fascist conspiracy theories

meds

pizza

done in ~30 minutes

game engine

5 years dev time to just build the fucking thing, nevermind the game that's supposed to be made for

fuck off snotch

Why is he posting about American fascist conspiracy theories?

Notch lives in his mansion in Commiefornia.

Pewdiepie unironically did everything right and he has basically won at life.

This
Genuinely such a retarded thing to say lmao

yeah just add more obstacles to the already hard task with an extremely low success rate

yeah its cool that he made a game engine but not everyone could have fresh ideas to steal and make billions off of

There's really no point in making your own game engine unless you wanna do some very specific shit like Rainworld's procedural animations (it also helps that the game is in 2D so you have much less shit to handle than with a 3D engine)

maybe actually release a game other than the one you did 15 years ago

pewds

Fuck off faggot

very true.
they are not developers, they just playing little big planet using unreal sloppa.

No, it's like saying they aren't artists because they didn't make their own paint.

Show us your engine, bruh.

if a chef isnt using his own recipe hen isn’t a chef. hes a mere cook.

isn't Minecraft a really fucking easy game to code?
Like "make a Minecraft clone in a week to learn how to code game" level of easy?

Samefagging retard

Suicide

Another gem:
youtube.com/@tokyospliff/videos

4 years remaking the wheel

I am not a developer though. wtf are you even trying to say?

Yep, but its still near impossible to emulate which is wild since you see so many people try. He was also there at the right place at the right time, when youtube was slowly popping off, and there was no competition in his space.

he still right about the unreal sloppa coment.

basic cube rendering and minimal lighting

bloated mess that runs like shit unless you mod it

needed Microsoft to come in and fix it because the weight of the new additions was crushing itself

If thats what he means by game engine then sure, you should know how to render a cube with a point light

Fuck off bootlicker

Nta, but that you're a retard and you don't even know what you're talking about?

I dunno about that, sure having money is nice and it he's enjoying himself then good for him, but I don't get all the buzz around him just doing basic shit that a somewhat smart high schooler would do, oh you read plato? oh what a big boy! oh you paid attention in literature class! cool! oh you learned to draw? oh, so you paid attention in art class! amazing! and having 1 kid and a wife isn't particularly strange by 20, why is it a big deal that he managed to do it at 35, I mean my parents had 3 kids by the time they were 35, am I supposed to think that it's some huge deal? I just can't see some basic dabbling in art and literature as a massive accomplishment, maybe if he reaches university level proficiency in chemistry, biology and physics then I'll say that yeah okay that's pretty cool, but I have a feeling that he couldn't list the conditions of a hydrogen bond, like why is the supposed manosphere throwing such a fuss about a 35 years old going through 1/3 of first year high school curriculum
downvoted

samefa-ACK

*spends a whole day to implement something that every single FOSS comes with for free*

That is not the point of making your own game engine. If you did not make it yourself, you don't know the ins and outs of it, you also don't know the downsides, and how it really functions. So when its time to troubleshoot, you have to spend extra time to get it to work. Which inevitably leads to modern games, which run like shit because nobody can be arsed to fix someone's legacy code from 10 years ago, but hey, it was free.

He's on video complaining about mass-immigration into Sweden.

Obviously

Wrong.
It would be a chef that creates his own menus, and does not use someone's recipes to bulk up the menu. I mean why make your own soup recipe, if you can just take use what someone already made right?
A programmer using a pre-built engine but optimizing it would be aking to a higher end fast food chef, where he actually still puts in the effort, takes the basics, and makes them his own. Elevating them in the process.
A programmer who does not optimize, would be akin to a chain restaurant "cook" where the recipes are pre-made by someone else, fast food or not, you just follow them.
The asset flip is 100% on point.

How do i maek game engine?
Like where the fuck do you even start?

He moved to California
Also terminal internet addiction

Because you're autistic and lack empathy

America is still a capitalist country and makes most of its wealth from capitalism.

True.
Pity that the people don't make that money.

inspects element

Lmao
Your shitty bait failed

I dont need to be one to realize unreal engine is pure slop. I am a life time gamer, and modern unreal engine game are all soulless slop that look the same using marketplace assets with little to no work done on top of it.

I have empathy for him, I understand that he spent his teenage years playing video games instead of paying attention in school and now he's trying to catch up with all the things that you were supposed to learn in high school, but I don't see that as an impressive feat

If you did not make it yourself, you don't know the ins and outs of it, you also don't know the downsides, and how it really functions. So when its time to troubleshoot

You can learn it you fucking retard
Goddamn this board is full of armchair retarded "programmers".

If you did not make it yourself, you don't know the ins and outs of it, you also don't know the downsides, and how it really functions.

The only person who knows nothing here is YOU.
Do you think people know the fuckin "ins and outs" of the every code and function they write? If you ever worked on any serious programming, you're going to forget what you made the very next day.

You're not gaining anything, you're just losing time. You're trying to remake the wheel. You're not going to remake a better wheel than what people already agree to be the perfected version.

you have to spend extra time to get it to work.

Excuse me sir, but I'm pretty sure troubleshooting an already existing engine beats working 3 years to remake an exact replica of that same engine first before trying to implement anything and THEN having to troubleshoot an even messier thing which has zero documentation and zero community to communicate with.

"I'm making my own engine" is literally a path towards unironic suicide. People trick themselves into wasting years on a project that is actually novelty, thinking it means something or provides some sort of advantage. Only to in the end inevitably realize that it was all for nothing. Eventually, after you spent 3 years wasting away, some Zoomer will remake the exact game you wanted to make in 24 hours using a game engine and it'll sell thousands of copies and you'll feel suicidal because your "I'll know the ins and outs" project hasn't even reached the same functionality as a free game engine and you already lost any and all sense of the "ins and outs" of the mess you've created.

Any developer that doesn't truly understand the data structures they use is doomed to fail.

if you can't program the operating system that runs that game engine, you're not a programmer.

how come developers still make their own engine nowadays? we should value those who do more than those who dont. otherwise in the very near future it will be all mass produced chink unreal engine slop. we see this already happening before our very eyes.

Such a bullshit statement. People made millions recycling assets or using FOSS projects as a base for their game. Shut the fuck up.

If you can assemble your own cpu, gpu, ram and hard disc you're not a real developer.

He is right, who knows better how to optimize a game than someone who created the fucking engine. But Pajeets using UE5 wont agree of course.

unity/unreal slop can't even come close to handbuilt game
youtube.com/watch?v=tInaI3pU1

You're just proving the other person's point.

only developer to use unreal in a cool way was atlus with SMTVV.

He made Minecraft in java.

then answer this

This kek
Anon Babblefags are genuinely retarded.

is extremely wealthy

cant afford to fund karl jobst dumb ass and for whatever reason still defends him

me thinks he broke

autism

lol, no one is saying he is a genius nor is it the point you sperg
He just makes it entertaining to watch him do these things. He just keeps using his resolve to acomplish whatever, and documents it for people to see. We like to see people succeed in stuff. That's the value of it.

Just wait until you find out that the engine the "devs made it" was actually just an private update they've done on top of a FOSS engine platform.
Just wait until you find out that Bethesda's engine, or Valve's engine, or any proprietary engine, is meant to have the exact same functionalities as UnrealEngine and that they just don't want to pay for royalties.

This is only an issue for production level software that is going to have many people working on it for a long time. Most successful games are just hacked together until they worked

I dont need to know any of that shit you nigger. when one can tell a game is unreal sloppa just by looking at the the games trailer, then its an issue. if you dont see how UE games are built by talentless drones then youre a nigger and a faggot.

wrong. he is talking about programmers, not designers

You can learn it you fucking retard

That is the point, he is making btw. You should learn it and make it. If you just implement someone elses solution, you did not learn it, you created dependencies in your future code as you moved on, and by the time you are attempting to fix it, you have to rewrite half the game while learning about every single aspect.

Do you think people know the fuckin "ins and outs" of the every code and function they write?

Yes. All the good programmers I know do. Ones who work on games and biotech projects. Their process is literally looking at someone elses code if necessary, learning what it does and why it does it, and then write it themselves for their own project, instead of implementing what someone else wrote. As I had to sit trough them learning how to code shit multiple times.

Excuse me sir, but I'm pretty sure troubleshooting an already existing engine beats working 3 years to remake an exact replica of that same engine first before trying to implement anything and THEN having to troubleshoot an even messier thing which has zero documentation and zero community to communicate with.

Its almost as if there is a reason why you can easily add comments to code, and why you want to track and document your progress and code outside of the code as well.

What engine do you think this game was made on?:

youtube.com/watch?v=tGSwiMJ40Vg

who fucking cares about what ever the fuck this shit is you fag.

Meanwhile we all have a house to live in, don't have to worry about going bankrupt

You're an amerifat

"I'm making my own engine" is literally a path towards unironic suicide. People trick themselves into wasting years on a project that is actually novelty, thinking it means something or provides some sort of advantage. Only to in the end inevitably realize that it was all for nothing. Eventually, after you spent 3 years wasting away, some Zoomer will remake the exact game you wanted to make in 24 hours using a game engine and it'll sell thousands of copies and you'll feel suicidal because your "I'll know the ins and outs" project hasn't even reached the same functionality as a free game engine and you already lost any and all sense of the "ins and outs" of the mess you've created.

The opposite of this was literally made Path of Exile a success story. They decided to make a bespoke game engine for their game as a first time dev team because they disliked the limitations of premade game engines. And the game allowed them to scale combat as much as they wanted. What you are advocating for is what we see in RTS, where a team with a decent idea will tie itself to a premade game engine(not the RTS specific one Recoil/SpringRTS), just to realize it starts breaking down when you have too many units, so they start reducing the game scope not because of their vision, but out of necessity since the engine can't keep up, and now its too late to switch.

he has basically won at life

this is the post I was replying to, he's winning at life? by going through the high school first year's literature and art class curriculum ... ? and by having 1 kid at 35? uhhuh, okay, actually I got an idea maybe I should do a high school 2.0 business, where you get 30 years olds and make them go through the high school curriculum again, and tell them to pay attention this time

As someone who managed teams that maintained a game engine used for several MMOs, I will tell you that the only reason to ever make your own 3D engine as an independent developer is if you're making a game with VERY specific and unique demands. You want to triple the scope of your project? Make your own engine. I can only really recommend it if you want the challenge or you want to just learn how it's done.

Also, I doubt Notch has the 3D math chops to work on a modern engine.

is meant to have the exact same functionalities

Just like how every game has the same functionalities, and yet some perform better than others. Odd how that happens huh?

youre never too old to learn, anon. why does this guy getting into plato or aristotle make you seethe?
anyway, can we focus on the subject here which is lazy soulless devs using unreal sloppa.

I bet the game you worked on fucking sucked and no one cared for it.
should havent been a lazy nigger using UE.

you're a bit too old to start learning how to draw and read aristotle at 35, you're supposed to do that at 15, if anything that just looks a bit sad to me, but if he's enjoying himself then good for him, what I don't get is all the fuss about it, "OH NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS" do what? have the homework of a high schooler? lmao, if you feel like you should've paid attention in high school instead of playing games all day then that's fine, it's not impressive, in any sense, but it's fine if you feel that way and want to visit the high school curriculum again, just don't tell me that you're some paragon of manliness for doing it, you're not, you're a manchild who's trying to go through intellectual puberty

They decided to make a bespoke game engine for their game as a first time dev team because they disliked the limitations of premade game engines. And the game allowed them to scale combat as much as they wanted.

This is complete fiction.
They gained nothing by making their own engine other than not having to pay royalties.

youtube.com/watch?v=SPgZZ-jjvF0

Look at their engine. It's like any game engine. It's an object-oriented UI. That's it. They started making path of exile in 2006. There was no Godot 4 back then and their options for FOSS engines were very limited. It would obviously be easier to just grab Godot and slap whatever physics engine you want or make your own on top of Godot.

It took them a whopping 7 years to release a simple ARPG. Had it not worked it would have been a catastrophic disaster for the lives of anyone who had a stake on the project.

there isnt a single high schooler anywhere in the world spiritually and mentally mature enough to grasp these philosophies. it is something youll get more out of once a lot older, I’d say 25+.
you just seem like a pretentious faggot, I bet youre dumb as a rock..

You clearly don't know the problems they were running into. Most modern engines did not let them spawn thousands of arrows as objects at the same time, they went out of their way to make their own engine because of that scalability. The abilities in the game are meant to be modular, which means eventually players will "break" the game. And instead of what most engines will do and start deleting or refuse to spawn new objects they wanted their own thing.

Most modern engines did not let them spawn thousands of arrows as objects at the same time

youtube.com/shorts/mxZWCxIPb08

pewds is a normal person, and a majority of normal people are actually anti-faggotry. its just that a whole lot of them have to pretend not to be to keep their jobs etc. you have to realise by now that the leftist establishment heavily supresses everybody else until there is only an echo chamber remaining.

Ah yes, the static objects that already cripple the engine down to 10 fps, instead of also having to calculate player stats and collision with enemies/terrain and damage calculations.
Anon, we are talking about making games, not about making 3d renders in a sterile environment that does not have to communicate with a central server half a planet away.
Also what do you want me to do, clap that godot can solve its own issues? Good for them. Can you actually show me a popular godot game, that has a persistent multiplayer aspect to it?

oh no, he thinks plato and aristotle are deep, oh no no no, you sound like a manchild who's adoring another manchild playing with crayons, plato, aristotle or marcus aurelius are only useful for giving you a general idea of what philosophy in general is, aside from that it's just some basic shit that's trivial for any real philosophy, I'm pretty sure you'd go over thomas acquinas in high school as well and then start reading the likes of david hume if you're actually interested in philosophy, like this is the issue at play here, you're saying that I'm "seething at plato" or something, I'm not seething, I just think it's sad for a 35 years old to be gushing about about the basics of philosophy, it's like watching a 35 years old man play with crayons, I don't hate crayons or anything, I just think that it's something that you should've gone over decades ago

you read all that yet youre still a nigger faggot. what good did it do for you?

if philosophy is for nigger faggots then why do you suddenly care about it? go play with your crayons

socialism and capitalism are identical.

Every game engine has a multi-mesh system. It doesn't have to be a static object. It can be an arrow.

Damage calculations also have nothing to do with it. The "arrow" collision is also just a point on a 2d board, not the mesh.

So yes, any FOSS can do that. In fact, Godot right now is probably better than the engine used to make Half Life 2 and Team Fortress 2, even if it's slightly behind some other engines that have royalty contracts.
Path of Exile requires no 3d physics server for simulating a large amount of 3d objects, or raytracing-type graphics, which is the weakness of Godot. All projectiles in POE are either particles or meshes, which are not 3d physics simulations. It's 100% doable on Godot with no drawbacks.

but youre the one crying and pissing your skirt at some dude reading plato, not me. I think he should read more of it.

if you can't code your own blender, you're not an animator/3D artist

That's very retarded

no, its very reasonable.

maybe you should read some philosophy too so you'll be able to understand that elevating emotional language only makes you look like an infantile clown

Why didn't he write his own programming language too then?

Is he a chef that can only make frozen pizza?

Yes.

emotional

the one emotional here is your nigger faggot ass crying for over two hours now because some dude decided to pick up a book in his 30s.
get a grip fag.

emotional language and bad faith arguments, no wonder you idolise some 35 years old dude playing with crayons

Kek, this.

idolize

I am not even the original anon you started the conversation with, I just saw your utterly niggerish seething at the dude reading and I had to chime in. dont even know who notch is.
I only came in here to shit on unreal sloppa.

didn't even build his own architecture

Dude should be flipping burgers

"you need to be 25+ to understand plato" ahahahahahaha, silly guy, you should stick to video games and reddit buzzwords

I would pick up a book and learn but then a faggot like you will just mock me online for reading. so guess I’ll remain a smoothbrain based chad.

like I said, pick up a book if you want to, just don't act like it's something impressive, and I don't think pewds is acting like it's something impressive, he's just sharing how he's playing with crayons now, and if he enjoys that then good for him, I just didn't see the reason why people were gushing over him playing with crayons, but now I get it, it's because manchildren like you exist who consider plato to be deep philosophy lmao

It's very easy to become Orson Welles when you are successful.

No. A good developer thinks in terms of problems to be solved, not tools. Nobody cares what engine the game uses as long as it runs well enough.

too bad all modern unreal engine games runs like shit while making all games have that same look and feel even when its made by different developers. its just so soulless.

It is soulless. I would never choose Unreal Engine for a game (I'm sure some people can make it work, but I'd personally rather not). If you want to make a soulful game, it is probably not the right tool. Unreal is not the only engine on the market though.

if you didnt make the silicon on your CPU you arent a PC user

For 2D absolutely, for 3D I think using an engine is fine.

He didn't make his own game engine.

for voxelshit using engine is cringe too
so only for full 3d engine is fine

If a programmer is unable to implement game logic on his own, instead relying on the interfaces and abstractions provided by premade engines, then I don't think he'd be a very good programmer.

Feh, look at this guy writing a novel without creating a new language first

lazy, stupid fucker. Fuck him. Using words you already know is cheating.

Unless you create your own programming language, own OS and also your brand new computer by using stones and sticks, you can't call yourself a programmer.

Only in the most technical sense. To be an actual good programmer, yes, you should be able to make a game engine yourself from scratch. HOWEVER that only refers to the theoretical ability to do so. Almost nobody should ever actually do it, since it's an idiotic waste of time in 99.9% of cases. Just use an off the shelf engine and save 5 years of work.

It's not a question of ability, it's a question of "you should literally never do this shit because it's retarded to do so". I could, if I wanted, grow and farm my own potatoes. Or I could buy a huge bag for a dollar. One of these makes senser, the other doesn't.

Just use an off the shelf engine

Ok, which one.

Ctrl+F

not a single mention of C++ or APIs

yeah EVERYONE HERE is stupid.

I think it's funny how much people seethe about pretty normal hot-takes so long as the guy making it is a rich and successful white person.

unable to implement game logic on his own

Game developers implement game logic even if they use the engine. Even in an RPG Maker game, the developer implements the business logic.
The things abstracted away by the engine are mostly solved problems. Some of them are pretty hard to do properly too. Programming is literally about using abstractions. There's little to no value in reinventing a shittier wheel.
Also you don't even have to be a good programmer to make good games. Programming is one of the less impactful part of game development.

there was no competition

There was, but Pewdiepie was moving around a lot internationally during his early days and was uploading videos from mulitple countries which made him appear on the localised frontpages back then. It was a quirk in the algorithm that was only present for a short duration and he lucked out by sheer circumstance.
If he stayed in Sweden the whole time he probably never would've gotten as popular.

>despite saying the n word

You can say nigger here, anon

That candy wall really did a number on him.

That isn't the flex he thinks it is when MC runs like ass and runs even worse with each update and runs even worse with that and crashes with even the most stable mods thrown into the mix.

dude it was totally le algorithm

Just a bunch of cope. He moved like once and still hit it big.

imagine current dev cycles if they were making a new engine for every game as well

He comes from an upper class family, he had his apartment bought and paid for while studying at university. Just that one thing was able to set him up for success.

I'm not downplaying his yt career, but if he would have failed he could have just leaned on his family for support. Only a minority has that luxury in today's society.

he didn't end up becoming a chud

The faggot who say that end up traveling the dark path btw

Massive cope. Uni costs little to nothing for Swedes outside of taxes and the study loan they can get can easily for an apartment for poorfags during it.

Do you have a wife and kids?

He's right, but logistically for most people its going to be smarter to use a prebuilt engine instead of starting from scratch. If you don't understand programming well enough to make your own engine, then you're not a programmer.
Whats with all the retards making a build your oven comparison?

who's that on the right?

No, what he is saying is that a chef who can't make a pizza without building the oven by themselves + can't grow tomatoes and harvest all the shit that goes to the pizza ain't a real chef.

Look up housing costs in Sweden right now. A one bedder of 300 square feet will run you 800 - 900$ a month, and that is if you are even able to find vacancies close to the university cities. And that is just the rent, you have to pay for the electric and water separately.

B-but muh loan

I have a sister who took a loan in 99, she is still paying off the debt to this day. A university degree is not a guarantee for success, and if you fall on hard times and you are alone, you are fucked.

Again, PewDiePie had a huge advantage coming from a wealthy family, an advantage very few have.

You can't really customize a game fully without being in control of the engine, which you aren't with a generic solution.

will run you 800 - 900$ a month

lmao maybe if you live near the inner city of Gothenburg or Stockholm.
The average rent back when Pewdiepie was studying for a student corridor option would have been less than half of that.

electric and water

Which used to be cheap as fuck before COVID and the EU leeches fucked us over.

I have a sister who took a loan in 99, she is still paying off the debt to this day.

Presumably because she either did fuck all for years or she's not paying it off because the interest on CSN loans are kept artificially absurdly low.

Reminder that Notch didn't make "his own game engine" but merely stitched together libraries written by others.

JBlow

I lost all respect when I heard him argue that scripting languages are useless because his game code takes only a minute to compile anyway.

when I heard him argue that scripting languages are useless

They are and that's why they're no longer popular among engine devs.
They're meant for letting artists and non-coders write code and add a lot of overhead of the actual competent programmres to keep them integrated. (also makes your one-language project a multi-language one which is like 10x as har to debug the second you cross a language barrier)
Carmack echoes this complaint btw.

>capitalist country with slightly higher social spending

yes that's how the nordics define socialism. Not as a separate system, but as a direction on a spectrum.

(subsidized heavily by the US)

haha no. I wish.

ps2 era, every dev has to write their own engine, very few off the shelf solutions

takes 20 devs a year to release a new game

current year, every studio uses engines because its "cheaper" and "faster" and "easier"

every game takes 10 years and a trillion dollars to develop

really makes you think

funny becuase this includes botch too

which you aren't with a generic solution

You can edit the UE source code if you want. It's on github.

lmao maybe if you live near the inner city of Gothenburg or Stockholm.

It's the same in every major student city. Look at Uppsala, Malmö, Umeå. Also not to get too in the weeds but if you're going for anything STEM related you are more or less forced to apply in the major cities because that's where the programs are.

Also we aren't talking about back in the day, we are talking about the opportunities for young people to succeed now, compared to when PewDiePie made it back then. All I'm saying is he had an advantage; if you can't see that it's probably because you are a Nepo baby yourself.

Presumably because she either did fuck all for years or she's not paying it off because the interest on CSN loans are kept artificially absurdly low.

She was hit with a cancer diagnosis and had to go on chemo. It took a long time for her to recover and that left a long gap in her resumè.

Holy shit a based non-Nintendo dev? Neat.

Because rich fucks don't want to pay their fare share.

Nietzsche and Marcus Aurelius were chuds?

They are

They're not. Game development is iteration based and not even the fastest game engine codebase in the world can beat a compilation time of zero seconds when jumping into the game to try out stuff.
That's what scripting languages are for, prototyping rapidly. When you sense your new mechanic implementation gaining something of an architecture you usually rewrite it properly in a compiled language anyways to keep artists from fucking with it.

Because he fucked up his analogy with the frozen pizza. Chefs don't build their own ovens, and game designers don't make engines. Chefs make meals, programmers make engines, and game designers make games. You can't make a pizza with a pizza and a frozen pizza implies the game is already made, but as Black Panther has shown the programmers need four years to pre-heat the oven and the designers still can't kneed the dough by then.

your mum is iteration based

Unknown Worlds spent like eight years making the Spark engine for Natural Selection 2. It has really cool lighting effects I guess. They clearly wanted it to be an engine they could license out but it doesn't have the kind of support a mainstream engine has.

Subnautica just used Unity, and I have to assume if they ever decide to make NS3 they'll do the same.

What's with these kikes putting games down for using custom engines? Are they on unreal's payroll?

Imagine being this bitter.

so now you wanna act like pewdiepie is one of yours huh, gcj
things must be dire

just use unreal engine bro haven't you seen the tech demo?

what do you mean your soulslike metroidvania is running at 34fps? who cares just let gaymers rent a license to nvidia's proprietary fake frame, real latency generator

Learn to read.
Moving once from Sweden to Italy was enough to exploit the quirk that was a time sensitive behaviour of how promoting videos worked on YouTube at the time. He made absolutely bog standard Let's Play videos back then. He uploaded in Sweden, then in Italy and spoke English in his videos which made it easy to reach other huge audiences, that was enough for a breakout success with how the algo worked back then.
This knoweldge is now more than a decade old, zoomie.
youtube.com/watch?v=EgMqhEMhVV8

most people are completely delusional what their skill is. if you are holding a day job as software engineer (no front end doesnt count) with a proven track record of skill then maybe you should try to write your won engine. not too many of those and they have options.

oh no, he thinks plato and aristotle are deep

they are. the whole western civilization is built upon their ideas

Don't forget to build that oven too

the analogy is about being a cook, not an oven manufacturer. you don't have to manufacture computer components or mine silicon to be a programmer, but you do have to program. go be an UE jeetmonkey somewhere else.

You know that Japan imports a lot of Indians, right?

food analogy

In a way he is right. If you use game engines that already exist you pretty much are a modder at most.

has he ever written a compiler?

That guys a faggot but IIRC Plato himself said that you should be 30 years old and proficient in mathematics before you're allowed to study philosophy.

You don't need scripting langs to get hot-reloading anon, you just treat parts of your program as a dll.

So is the pizza the engine?

I'm not talking about hot reloading, I'm talking about waiting for the code to compile. Hot reloading doesn't make a difference when you still have to wait for 1-2 minutes until you see changes reflected ingame.

This makes sense to Notch because he likes making open world games with malleable terrain and procedural generation, where a costume engine would be ideal. But, not everyone wants to make a Minecraft derivative. You don't need to start from ground zero to make a decent FPS or a successor to Scrimblo Bimblo.

If they can't make their own ideas, they are not developers.

It's like a musician who can only play covers.

what's with these devs taking 5+ years to put together the most fucking basic, generic games and being surprised when no one cares once they finally release after an eternity?

That's an issue of using retarded "features" that add overhead like virtual table allocs from OOP and RAII shit and not one of procedural langs. An average 3D engine should take seconds to compile if it's custom.

Says the dipshit who didn't even develop his own language and instead just wrote it in Java.

He has a humiliation fetish. He purposefully says dumb shit all the time in hopes that people call him out and retarded. This isn't even a joke. He'll beg people to tell him he has a small penis.

The Witness was highly successful both commercially and critically, arguably much more than Braid.

And Minecraft is quite literally the highest selling game of all time.

Someone could come up with the cure for cancer, and you'd still say "what have you done for me lately?"

subsidized heavily by the US

americlaps seriously believe this

An average 3D engine should take seconds to compile if it's custom

Yeah, if it's 10k lines of code and all compile time optimizations are turned off.

Blow is working on his super special new coding language that he will use to make... a fucking sokoban game. Yep, he's that fucking autistic.

Would a sushi chef be able to make a good pizza?

writing your own game engine isnt that hard its just time consuming
if your game is simple then your engine is simple and probably not that complicated
like if you only make 2d platformer games writing your own engine is not impressive
even a basic 3d engine isn't that hard everyone else has already done the math for you long ago

Or if it's coded by someone competent and it's not a full recompile each time.

yeah if i found out the chef bought a can of tomato sauce in the restaurant i eat at i wouldnt throw a fit

what's the point in ever being proud of your accomplishments if for anything you ever attempt there's some 5 year old asian prodigy who is better than you

isnt this the guy that stole his source code and shit out the block autism simulator?

The best engineers are NOT people who can code from scratch, they're the people who know the totality of the tools available and how to leverage them. Literally "work smarter, not harder"

Not really. Even Blow couldn't get below 30 seconds and The Witness didn't exactly have a great deal of mechanics, physics, sophisticated render tech, etc. You know, the sort of stuff where you shouldn't leave performance on the table by splitting up your code into a gazillion libraries.

The retards impressed by people writing their own engine are the same type of retards to be impressed by people writing their own Operating Systems.

It's not difficult or worth doing just extremely time consuming and tedious. All the actual work is done for you and just a google search away essentially it's just for learning enthusiasts.

It's not difficult

It is and you'd know if you were a programmer.

All generic engine solutions suck balls.

minecraft classic is really easy to code and what you would have been left with after doing the tutorial, also kill yourself just out of principle for doing these types of posts. bless u.

No, it's not. All the work and math is done for you and there are thousands of tutorials online you can just copy. The same way Notch did.

youtube.com/watch?v=SO83KQuuZvg

All the work and math is done for you

So you really don't have any experience writing code.

A programmer shouldn't be making games in the first place if they actually want to get paid. Also Notch is a lazy piece of shit that constantly took vacations when he was working on Minecraft but I doubt zoomers remember that .

It's not difficult or worth doing just extremely difficult

Yea, you are right.

its real

Lmao

making a simple engine should be that hard in the age of AI

Oh and by the way, that is maybe 30% of the work required to render text in a game. No one evaluates splines at runtime to determine filled areas, there's no hinting, etc.

Here's the thing you also don't have to think. All that's done for you too! If you can press Ctrl+C Ctrl+V you can make an OS.

Spending an autistic amount of time doing something doesn't make it difficult just time consuming

The only thing that's genuinely impressive in this regards is Roller Coaster Tycoon written in raw machine code because there was not only a legitimate reason for it, it made it so that it could run on a fucking graphing calculator.

two of the biggest

"Hey look! i'm making my own engine!"

proceeds to download 200 libraries that do all the job for you

arguably making a software renderer is easier than learning opengl/vulkan

false equivalence. if you actually need unreal engine to make a AAA game then hiring notch to make you a game engine is not going to work out.

These two are not the same, not at all.
OpenGL i could use as a kid, vulkan, i'm not sure i can use it today.

notch is a fat cunt. making a whole new game engine is impossible for one single perosn, there are way too many things it needs to have and effects n shit. it's not like john carmack is still cranking out new versions of his game engine in a dank cellar somewhere like he did in the nineties...

remember when CDPR wanted to make their own engine and it was a total shitshow?

Vulkan sure but OpenGL is baby mode especially older versions of OpenGL.

programmer is a dead profession. vibe "coders" in india already make most of the code.

I feel like there's some sort of huge fucking gap between a professional chef and someone who is only capable of making a frozen pizza he's refusing to acknowledge because he's a retarded bitter old faggot with nothing better to do than rage bait on twitter.

software rendering is still easier than opengl

You don't have to be a good programmer to make a good game. (Early) Minecraft is itself proof of this. Other examples include most Japanese games.
Jonathan Blow has aphantasia. The opinions of literal NPCs are irrelevant.

Yes, as per Saint Terry you are a nigger if you can't write your own compiler.

The difference between the amount of work required back then and now is also fairly significant.

Just look at people doing demo scene shit and how long it takes.
youtube.com/watch?v=R-4wHUw_OdE

I wrote both and i tell, you, it's not even close, at least not if you want 3D graphics too.
The triangle setup is a bit of a bitch to get it fast.
Also you end up writing everything you had to write for OpenGL as well as the renderer.
Still have to write the matrix shit, still have to create the vertex list, the indices and texture loading and all that.

You can get legacy opengl to render a triangle in like 20 lines of code.

link me specific mentions of facsist behavior in Q.
I believe you but I want to share it with my friends who don't believe it is facist.

Pewdiepie fans are old enough to post on the chinz

Grim for me

He's talking more about how work is perceived rather than what it is or isn't, so I'm sure he's correct in his mind. But he didn't mine and refine the raw materials that birthed the computer and internet connection he used to build his engine so you can draw a line anywhere you want if you wanna get up on a pedestal and sniff your own farts.

be game developer

work on a development team

someone else made the engine while I programmed the enemy AI and the stat effects of every character and item

I'm not a real developer

More like the JQ these days, lol.

dude if i had so much money they have, noone would hear of me ever again
i would just disappear and live in peace

Carmack echoes this complaint btw.

You're a dumbfuck, the QVM (Quake Virtual Machine) literally embodies scripting languages

But then your public humiliation fetish wouldn't be fulfilled.
x.com/notch/status/1875474786664738842

He isn't saying "only real programmers use engines they made." just have the ability to make one which is not something only "master programmers" can do. somone with just 2 or 3 years of C++ experience can do it. The reason most studios don't is because of the massive amount of time and resources it takes made worse by the fact these days most devs leave a studio after just a year or so.

The retards impressed by people writing their own engine are the same type of retards to be impressed by people writing their own Operating Systems.

That's right. There's nothing interesting in jerking off over technology. Just because something is technically difficult doesn't mean it's adding any value to the product. Autistic people fixate on a single tree instead of focusing on the forest.

this is a jew

literally says they are not programmers if they can't do it

G-guys he isn't actually saying only programmers can do it!!

I think this is the intended meaning too. He's not saying every game needs to have its own engine made from scratch, but the people working on it should at least be able to do so. If all you have is shitjeet contractors churning out garbage for your unreal game, then of course it's going to suck.

you already said this

Yes, but it also disqualifies himself as his only game was made using Java as an engine.

He did not create Java. Further, he did not even finish his own game. He departed prior to 1.0.

He essentially won the lottery, as you can clearly tell, hes a bit of an idiot.

Criticizes "developers" for lack of creativity and skill

rips off 6 years of cun town bits in one 6 word post

Expedition 33 shows UE5 can make good games if it's in the hands of good programmers. Problem is industry plants,upjumped games journos and poojeets that only now basic scripting and no sense of optimization. Most AAA games have code that looks like it was written by a first year CS majors writing C for the first time the rest is major functionality created using blueprints which is a terrible idea.

He's Norwegian, right? Why is he posting about American fascist conspiracy theories?

He's integrating

Notch is always right

You don't even understand what he's saying in your image

no, and if we really wanna keep the food analogy, then what he said would be "it's like a chef who can't built his own kitchen appliabnces"

He's swedish

UE5 is the new unity engine.
It's way too easy to make something in it so the market gets flooded with absolute dogshit.
It's not a bad engine in itself but the tools are too accessible

Minecraft is for pedophiles

Blueprints were a mistake. the Unreal script of the UE1 was much better.

Every online space with kids will attract pedos, it's how it is.

People defending using already existing engines are the reason why every application nowadays is electron or some kind of react native app.
Die.

The real problem is just using wrong tool for the job.

He's not talking about game designers, he's talking about programmers.

He is.
Looney Troon necromorphs on suicide watch.

Notch, bro, wtf?

He also supported race mixer Karl instead of chad Billy. Very sad.

considering games are such simple applications to build, if you don't have some sort of custom tooling or your own pipeline to build it, you're doing it wrong
as far as a game engine goes though, you'd have to be seriously autistic to come up with the entire pipeline yourself, most people use something as a starting point and build from there, there's nothing wrong with it just as there's nothing wrong with using stdio.h

Except you cannot compare making a frozen pizza (pre-made product cooked in 30-40 minutes) to making shit in a game engine (tool used to make a product in a much longer timespan). He used a bad example to compare something a game designer already made and not what programmers work with to make those games possible.

In no way has the socialism of Nordic countries ever been "subsidized by the US", you are a retard.

Xitter

Can you not?

implying that being rich means you know what you're talking about

Notch has made many games in his career and exactly one of them has been successful, and by his own admission that was by accident, which is why he immediately jumped ship as soon as he had a means to do so and has failed to replicate that success since.

There are a lot of reasons to write your own engine and having an ego about what specific achievements you need to unlock in order to qualify as a "real programmer" is not one of them. In reality the only reason to write an engine from scratch for every game you make is that you require a specific feature or optimization that isn't standard in whatever engine you're using. In literally any other scenario you're wasting monstrous amounts of time constructing the foundation for the game you actually want to create and more than likely doing it worse than the many open-source and freely available engines that already exist which have had continuous development. Notch is talking out of his ass and he really should know that since he knows better than anyone else that Minecraft's Java engine is held together with duct tape and chewing gum..