You don't need APM.
You don't need APM
This looks like some reddit jewtuber "essayist" advertisment, but the topic is true. After certain level APM becomes just e-penis stroking.
Back in the day when I was following comp SC:BW scene, you could download the replays and put them through a parser, and like 90% actions were select and deselect. It serves nothing, it's not actual micro.
You don't need APM
It just so happens every good player has high APM
Pure coincidence, goyim. Now buy the Definitive Edition.
It is such a stupid statement
You dont need apm
But you need to keep your vill creation, build order, scout exploring, multiple TC creations and micro if you are either attacking or defending
But you don't need apm.
OP didn't need to be a faggot, but here we are as he is sucking dick.
I'm still not attempting to play multiplayer. I admit I don't stand a chance against other players. I just want to play campaigns and have fun.
Based.
OT: Balding Dutchman winning grandmaster starcraft 2 at 148 APM. You legit do not need insanely high APM, as fpbp says, a lot of it is spamming actions that achieve nothing, or like in the video he has rapid fire assigned for some keys, so if you hold down Z for example, the game registers you pressing Z something like 40 times per second, when in reality any idiot could hold down one key for a short while to auto-fire a unit ability.
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He is correct but when people complain about RTS being too hard they're referring to the multitasking and juggling aspects which is what they mean when they say APM.
you
*gets scout rushed on minute 1*
don't
all your villagers are dead
need
they're stealing your gold and rocks!
APM
all hail, king of losers
/thread
you don't need to click faster, you just need to click the right things faster
BRO YOU'RE SO RIGHT DUDE
they dont need players either
You don't need APM to beat RTS games!
Starts up Starcraft 2 match, against South Korean
There's such a fucking comically huge list of almost-unknown trivia that boosts your output by a tiny bit and it all adds up
By the time you're making some military units he has enough supply in army to kill you twice over
I'm just going to play singleplayer RTS and enjoy myself instead of turbo-sweating. Enjoy your multiplayer games dying as they always do.
handcannoneer buff when?
I'm not saying you're wrong to do that, but I think people need to accept the game played alone and the game played against people is a wildly different game.
doing basic cheese at noob level to piss off ppl is fun
p-please care about AoE2 e-sport scene instead of Brood war!!
RTS games are built to cater to turbo-sweats who click 5 times a second to gain a 0.1% statistical advantage in deathball vs deathball scenarios.
By letting multiplayer-retards talk about RTS, the actual games are made worse.
why? it's not needed
i play rts games with cheats to build massive enormous elaborate bases and line up the units in cool formations
i think it is
I don't recall most of the fan favorite RTS games were every originally designed for multiplayer turbo-sweats, as you call them, but were designed to be interesting and often had super units or abilities that were just cool to use. They weren't even the best units for their respective factions, they just looked and felt good to use. Listening to the sweats just meant that the later entries pulled out all those spectacle bits RTS used to have.
After a certain skill level it's all about being able to make good decisions quickly
This "you don't need APM" is such a cope
It's true to get out of the 1000elo shitter mines all you need is follow build orders perfectly and then do the most lazy civ stomps
1- the video from where this thumbnail has been taken actually talks about AoE4, not AoE2.
2- AoE2 is currently the game that has the highest viewership in the RTS genre when it comes to E-Slop
I'm going to play one wish me luck 650 elo
requires constant practice for flawless execution
requires you to literally study and memorize every counter strat and tactic
maybe you can become world's best player and have a 50% chance to win 15k dollars
Yeah, fuck RTS
good luck. make handcannoneers
I will try if I get that far I'm hindustanis so they're decent
real time game
reaction time somehow isn't a factor
Where I live rts always was synonymous of multiplayer, even if it was a LAN party. People loved to talk about x rts in school because it meant they could play together. Nobody was like "brooo and did you see that final Genghis Khan mission that was fire!"
isn't brood war deader than aoe2?
that's all esports
shooter is just aim and click faster
moba is just knowing when you can pull out
racing is just following the racing line
card games are just finding a deck composition that is 0.1% more consistent at winning
fighting is just kiting for that one pixel opening
since games are just deterministic (ironically esport fags hate rng) people just optimize any fun out of them
tell that to pros seeing a red dot on the minimap and then quickwalling/pulling their woodline in under a second
The game would be much better if economic and military units phased through each other and couldn't interact, and all games were Regicide.
Also separate population caps, you can only have 100 vills and 100 units by default.
It's so simple and turns the game back into a medieval army simulator from the every-other-RTS joyless resource line massacring fest.
You need APM but more gamesense so you can make efficient moves is way better than just making 40 new quickgroups a second.
broodwar is VERY popular in korea.
do you live in korea?
no. i like to play 3v5 compstomps in broodwar and watch ASL (broodwar tournament) though.
I remember AoE2 having the longest esports match ever spanning a couple days too
BIG TRUE. Daut is like 50 years old, has 50 apm and still beats top players
Except other Genres have people generally playing in a more laid-back and chill way.
RTS attracts only the most fucking insufferable people ever.
HEH I DID THE TWO POOL THREE MINUTE STRATEGY NEWB, GET FUCKED, GG
W-What do you mean you won't play again? I NEED SOMEONE TO BEAT, FUCKING LOSER!
brood war majors get like 150k viewers
while AoE2 gets about 100k
you may cope saying there are more bugmen watching on weibo but they're both pretty dead imo
source: grok
AoE2 wins for me simply because its more fun to watch
especially Hidden Cup, shit is fire as fuck
Except other Genres have people generally playing in a more laid-back and chill way.
lmao cope
Except other Genres have people generally playing in a more laid-back and chill way.
such as?
AoE2 made me hate germans online
I got to around 1700 ELO and every raging autistic asshole that I found on ranked was always a german, always talking shit in chat and getting incredibly mad every time I did some micro because his smooth square brains kept interpreting that as me taunting them I guess
Also bohemians is the best campaign
@grok is this true
i find them both fun to watch unless it's a hera or soulkey match.
Outside of nu-slop SBMM shit, FPS titles are generally pretty chill.
brood war majors get like 150k viewers
what's the point if 90% of those viewers are concentrated on one single region and don't even speak English? You can't even interact with the chat or discuss the games later. AoE1 esports is also more popular than AoE2... in Vietnam. So, obviously, nobody cares
FPS are easy to pick up. The concept is straight forward.
You encounter an opponent and you shoot in his general direction. You might even get a kill here and there.
You don't feel helpless and oppressed.
Plus you can always blame your teammates and similar copes.
You are offered no such leniency in other genres.
But you're coping hard if you think anyone's laid back about it in a competitive setting.
win fairly against an Argentinian
"matate, boludin" *resigns*
this makes no sense and/or wouldn't change much.
Do you mean your enemies couldn't attack your economy or something? Maybe you are better off playing Total War
Yeah I got some argentinians too and they were also usually whinny bitches
back when csgo had cross-team voice in between halves and at the end of the game it was almost if not always germans raging and yelling
hitler speech was almost a guarantee back then, something beautiful, love germans
Amazing how you're trying to be condescending but A) can't fucking read and have to re-explain to yourself what is being directly said and B) pretend to have played this game but think the lack of the possibility for woodlines to get mown down in feudal isn't game changing.
How did you get so dumb?
strong cope
AoE specifically has some of the most chill guys at the top. They play dumb community gamemodes and many of them are friends, are older have families and there is very little drama.
Meanwhile at shooters people are filtered out past like 22 because your reaction degrades, moba fags lock themselves in in professional training camps
and you can't enter a fighting game thread without reading about a professional player sexting a minor or acting like a monkey or getting banned for some shit.
I play huns so I don't get housed.
I full-wall so I don't get raided.
I make cavalry archers to win.
I'm 5k ELO, come at me
Rich coming from a guy who thinks woodline-harass shouldn't be a thing.
RTS is full of sweats
Unlike chill genres like shooters, mobas, and the FGC
I remembered enjoying AoE2 as a kid. Bought the HD rerelease (the one in the mid 2010s, not the more recent one), and man I got my fucking ass kicked in singleplayer nonstop.
I didn't remember that game being so sweaty, but then I found out they for some reason made the AI kind of replicate actual players (optimal build orders, rushing, whatever).
Base building is fun, but man what a shit unfun genre RTS games are.
wtf does that mean
Thats like saying someone driving a car 'doesn't need Miles Per Hour'
Driving Slow Is Just As Fast As Driving The Speed Limit - What Driving Pros DON'T Want You To Know (1:19:02)
you people all live in countries with speed limit so yes, miles per hour is worthless because even the cheapest soap boxes can reach 80mph
This has always been the cope of brainlets who think if they have unlimited time to think and act they can craft the perfect strategy like fucking Batman.