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The term is just a fart-sniffy way for people to dismiss a genre and act like experiencing one thing from it has given them a higher perspective.

The entire thing is just "I watched X and it was so clever and it's secretly about how genre Y is fucking stupid and you're all stupid for liking it... no I have never watched anything else in that genre nor anything else by that creator. I saw the deconstruction and understood it, that means I get it better than you do"

are you really doing the "this thing was said by MAN WHO IS BAD so THING IS BAD" nonsense?
well, anon, i rape kids everyday and i think you're an awfully smart and clever guy

and it's secretly about how genre Y is fucking stupid and you're all stupid for liking it

That's not what a deconstruction is, that is an idiots understanding or a bad deconstruction.

Chinatown

Just a mystery movie.

Infinite Jest

Postmodernism.
No, the "pedophile" thing was a comedic addendum and not related to my argument at all. I say in the same fucking post that the way that the man who invented the fucking word defined it has nothing to do with the way dumb retard Redditors use it in their 6-hour essays about Toy Story 2. My post wasn't even hard to comprehend, read before you reply.

Deconstructions aren't even real and that's the only way anyone has ever actually used it.
It's a fake pesudo-bait term for identifying retards. No one ever uses it in the obscure pointless french pedophile way.

How are story's like Gravity's Rainbow not "even real".

It's just nazisplotation pedoslop. Don't need any three dollar words for that.

If you want to examine what is going on in the text beyond the plot you do, though you are triggered by a story taking place during a world war so I guess that isn't useful for you.

Again, postmodernism and satire, not "deconstruction". I also was 16 and pretentious once, it's ok little buddy. Which one are you going to bring up next, Catch-22?

It can be those things and also be intentionally deconstructive and have unique elements that can be described and make it so. You can not like the genre, but to claim it is a thing that doesn't even exist and nobody has done it purposefully is just wrong.

I don't think I want to analyze the writings of some degen artist.
So if we're at "deconstruction is both used by fart-sniffers and abject sex freaks accepted by the art scene", then I can dismiss both them as pointless garbage, and continue to say it doesn't even exist.

Deconstruction is not a genre nor a literary device of any sort. Look up "deconstruction in literature" and you'll see how it is a method of analysis, which is what I've been telling you this entire thread. No serious critic has ever used the word in the way you're using it. Prove me wrong, tell me of a deconstruction and bring up examples on why it is so that is not it being dark, subversive, postmodernist or parody/satire.

That's all you had to say.

I am not going to write you an essay on a scene from a book or movie, but Pynchon purposefully wrote Gravity's Rainbow in such a way as to cause the reader to explore the underlying nature of the thing he is writing about, through the narrative and it's structure, in a specific way. There are movies and games that have tried to do the same thing, though they are more simple, it seems appropriate to categorize this aspect of a story the same as we do everything else.

Fuck deconstructioins, they're mostly garbage and almost always being wielded by someone who has no appreciation for the original genre and wants to make a statement about how much they dislike it

but Pynchon purposefully wrote Gravity's Rainbow in such a way as to cause the reader to explore the underlying nature of the thing he is writing about, through the narrative and it's structure, in a specific way.

So you're saying a story... has themes? Themes expressed through narrative and prose? Which vary in execution depending on its genre and the artistic current it belongs to? Fuck Einstein, fuck Newton, you might just be the smartest man in the fucking planet. Call Harold Bloom right fucking know because I think he deserves to know he's got a worthy successor.
And again, what you're talking about seems to be postmodernism. All the books you've mentioned; postmodern satires. Those things already had names and they're not "deconstructions". You can't just take a word, strip it from its meaning and change it with another one's. I can start calling Romantic poetry "watermelons" if I want, but if I go around saying Blake and Espronceda "Watermelon poets" I'm going to look like a retard.

What the devs of Spec Ops: the Line did was based though. Bush wanted to get us into a war for globalism and foreign interests, he was told a new pearl harbor would be needed to start that war, 9/11 happened and kids were sent off to die. Spec Ops dev was tasked with making a military propaganda shooter in a market flooded with military shooters funded by the government being pushed to young teens to hype them up while vulnerable and get them to die for their cause, so they made a fun 2010s era tps and used it to criticize the government and what was happening in their market.

A book can be post modern and also either be entirely a deconstruction or contains scenes that are deconstructions of something.

Incorrect. All I had to say was "deconstruction doesn't even exist".

You still butthurt about all your aircraft bases being blown to smitherines by toys, Ivan?

lmao you can read what the writer's put out, he's a liberal faggot that wanted to whine about violence in videogames in general. He's not on your side because you have questions about 9/11.

It also wasn't fun. It was a mediocre shooter at best, and that's much worse condemnation of their abilities. Never trust a subversive that can't actually make anything popular and fun. It's easier to smear shit on a canvas than paint something nice, no big surprise hack artists love to do it.

What does this have to do with Russia?

What babble are you spewing? When that game came out Bush wasn't even President and the Iraq War had ended. They weren't even tasked by the government with "making a military propaganda shooter" they just rebooted a dead franchise with 7 games with a le war bad plot.
It can't be a deconstruction because "deconstruction" is not a genre. Gravity's Rainbow isn't even "deconstructing a genre" because it can hardly be called genre fiction in the first place.

Anti interventionists are paid for by Russia

Luckily the game was about a specific type of violent shooter that was hyping kids up for real life exploitation.

They were given the money to make a military shooter in that series, which played straight as usual ends up being military propaganda, intentional or not.

You don't have to be an anti-interventionist in general to be against what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. We were still in Afghanistan when The Line came out and were probably in Iraq a good chunk of it's development.

Unfortunately it was made by a gay for gay reasons, and it was gay.

Well, at least you can bask in its success. It took down CoD! I assume they must've stopped making them right after. Really gave those kids that didn't buy it or play it a thing to think about.

Yes, they were given the money by Take-Two who owned the license after they pitched, and I quote, "the original concept of futuristic soldiers without Dubai as a setting". It wasn't meant to be a "deconstruction" of military shooters. It was meant to be another military shooter with a war is bad theme. Did you know Call of Duty: World at War ends with a montage of war footage and solemn music, with a message at the end naming WW2 as the deadliest conflict in history? Did you know that when you die in those games you get an anti-war quote on the death screen?

Deconstruction isn't the genre itself, it is a subgenre, usually as a part of the subtext of the story. Gravity's Rainbow doesn't have to be deconstructing the genre it is in to be a deconstructionist novel, it purposefully deconstructs the concepts it explores, sometimes the concept of narrative itself, through it's writing, this just is something that is usually too complex for a movie or game to do, though MGS2 seems to attempt this through MGS1s narrative at times.

what game?
the only game that was the "deconstruction" of its genre I played was Spec Ops: The Line and it sucked

Deconstruction is

A method of literary analysis, not something inherent to a work of fiction.

it is a subgenre

A subgenre of what genre?

usually as a part of the subtext of the story

A genre is based on the stylistic conventions of the narrative. Star Wars is considered science fiction despite not exploring scientific concepts because it has spaceships and shit.

it purposefully deconstructs the concepts it explores, sometimes the concept of narrative itself, through it's writing

This is not "deconstructing the concepts it explores". This is having themes and meaning and any story aimed at anyone who isn't a child does it.

this just is something that is usually too complex for a movie or game to do

Why?

MGS2

Postmodernism, metafiction and subversion.

Call of Duty still glorifies the concept of dying in war and being a soldier, intentionally or not, Spec Ops paints the soldier as psychotic from being made to kill.

Yasss queen! We must indiscriminately subvert, deconstruct, and tear down every structure that exists until nothing is left!

Why would a subgenre have to be tied to a specific genre? It can be a tool of analysis or it can be colloquially used to describe an intentional aspect of the storytelling succinctly and people will know what it means better than any other single word you could use.

If it glorifies being a soldier because it's a fun shooter game, how is any Spec Ops any different? Aside from being fucking mediocre gameplay wise. Because it has zero subtlety and it's constantly beating you over the head with a caricature of PTSD? It's a good depiction of it if you have zero idea of what it is. The only way Walker's experience could happen in real life is if he was schizophrenic before he even enlisted, case in which he would not be able to go to war in the first place.

Why would a subgenre have to be tied to a specific genre?

Are you fucking retarded? What do you think the prefix sub- means?

it can be colloquially used to describe an intentional aspect of the storytelling succinctly

Which one? Because Infinite Jest has nothing to do with Spec Ops: The Line in any way.

Subgenres can, in fact, exist within multiple different genres. I don't think Spec Ops is really a deconstruction, but MGS2 contains elements of deconstruction.

The only deconstruction here is what you got a turkish surgeon to do to your cock and balls.

Subgenres can, in fact, exist within multiple different genres.

Yeah, ok. And which genres does deconstruction belong to? Science fiction? Horror? Mystery? Which elements does it take from its parent genres?

MGS2 contains elements of deconstruction

Which ones?

Plot intentionally copying MGS1, the VR Missions being contextualized in-universe as Raiden's training

Metafiction, intertextuality

You were actually being mislead by the Patriots all along, Solidus was a good guy

Subversion

Breaking the fourth wall

Even the Ancient Greeks did this. Hardly unusual.

It refers to something that is identifiable that is happening in the text, but to my knowledge there is no case of any work that is entirely focused on it and it isn't like "parody" and "comedy" in that it ties directly back to another genre neatly, so subgenre may be the wrong descriptor, but when someone refers to something as a "deconstruction" there is something specific they are talking about.

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there is something specific they are talking about

And that is? No matter how much you talk about it, you don’t seem to be able to define “deconstruction”. You also say that it doesn’t tie directly to another genre (parody and comedy don’t either, but let’s not lose focus) despite the fact you’ve mentioned deconstruction of genres before.

What is it called in games like Yiik or Braid which are both kind of parodies on the Hero’s journey but are also meta analysis of why those stories are written and why they resonate with people? Just Postmodernism?

It's generally used to describe something that seems to have a "deconstructionist" style of thought behind the narrative, aiming to refragment and recontextualize something.

Does deconstruction even mean anything? What's the right literary term for "Hmmm, yes, you kill a lot of monsters in a jrpg, does that make YOU the real monster?"

I don’t know much about them but I guess so, by what you say I suppose they could be considered pastiches?
So, having themes and exploring them?

I’m guessing irony. You are supposed to be a righteous hero, but you’re committing mass amounts of murder, which most would consider to be immoral.

Other genres can have elements of parody in them, but I thought we were being autistically accurate on the historical definition of genres for that argument and with that parody has to tie back into comedy, as it did originally, for the whole logistics of the classic genre to make sense.

I misunderstood you there, I thought you were referring to parody and comedy tying back to genres separately, not parody to comedy. My bad.

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There's nothing wrong with using deconstruction in lieu of dark satire/critical homage. The issue is that most people who use the term are fucking pseudointellectual retards who think anything with the slightest amount of thought behind it is a deconstruction of genre tropes it doesn't even actually subvert, ie evangelion or madoka

Everything is a deconstruction nowadays.

Diablo deconstructs roguelikes to make a more arcadey RPG

Diablo II deconstructs Diablo by reframing it into a lightweight MMO

Path of Exile deconstructs Diablo II until it's essentially nothing but postgame

Path of Exile II deconstructs Path of Exile by rugpulling metafags

And likewise you could argue that the entire ARPG genre is a balancing act between tradition and subversion. Look at the reception of Titan Quest relative to Diablo III, or Grim Dawn to Torchlight 2.

Deconstruction attained a different meaning from what derrida meant. That's how languages work, retard.

Nobody says this and if they do they do not mean it in the way you think we mean it.

Most sequels that get received negatively are disliked because they turn the prior game's mechanics on their head. You know this, I know this. I fail to see the problem.

[Thing] cool? Pfff yeah, but like, with my brow raised, lmao rofl, as in, not really

NuDoom in a nutshell

I’m not sure how you got Pastiche out of that? Pastiche seems to be about literary style I’m talking about using the heroes journey as a basis for the meta analysis of the heroes journey in fiction

This is unironically the most pseudointellectual in the whole thread.

Well, that’s postmodernism but I don’t know enough about those games to know how they do it. I assumed YIIK was a EarthBound-style pastiche of RPG tropes mixed with 90’s nostalgia (or an attempt at it)