Who was in the right?

Who was in the right?

verso

It was a bad situation no matter who is "right". It's just about whether you believe Verso suffering for a while longer and Alicia cutting her lifespan is worth her being happy as Maelle for a while longer and the Canvas world characters getting a fleeting happy ending. If you side with Verso, you believe it's better to end the charade now and for Alicia to learn to be happy despite her state in reality without throwing her life away.

The people who didn't buy it

Was this game written by children?

Please stop spamming this fotm slop

Who cares? The plot was a mess

How so? It's an interesting moral question about how much fleeting happiness is worth when weighed against lives.

Yes I want to make niggercock threads and I can't because people are actually playing and discussing videogames.

Even the game agrees Verso is right.
You can't watch the Maelle ending and still believe either of them are fine

Its a moral question if you are an immature brat who value fantasy over reality on top of risking your own mother mental state and her very life.

It's a very millenial game
You can sacrifice YOUR mental health to stay in fanfiction land or go outside and deal with real life.

Maelle's ending isn't good for Verso and it's a fleeting happiness for Maelle. However, everyone in the canvas world gets to be happy for a while longer.

can’t enjoy video games

Why are you here

The people in the canvas are not real people.

Like I said; A moral question for immature brats
When you have zero responsibilities and no other person that rely on you, sure, its a 'moral' question.

But for everybody else, the dad is right.

They can think and feel, they aren't lifeless puppets. Just because there's some higher universe playing god doesn't invalidate their existance.

how much fleeting happiness is worth when weighed against lives

The concept of happiness has been massively distorted over the centuries, I haven't played the game long enough to see what kind of philosophy it's going to throw around but if it's the modern sense then that's a mongoloid's errand.

Yeah the game isn't being suble at all, Maelle's ending is infinite torture + suicide and Verso's ending is moving on, the parents reconcile and Maelle says goodbye to all the people in the canvas.

They aren't lifeless but they come at the expense of the painter's life.

Theyre manufactured personalities made by how the painters wanted them to be like. Theyre comparable to advanced androids at best.

Dude, the brainlet takes on this game are incredible to me. The same guys calling the story juvenile clearly didn't understand it. You realize the moral dilemma in that all of these "fake" people - are still sentient and therefore as real as anyone? If anything its more of the stereotypical sci-fi AI trope. The Verso ending is definitely the intended "right" choice but yes, its' not just the lives of the immediate family involved - it is essentially an entire world powered on grief and misery of a few.

If Verso’s ending is the intended one why did they make Maelle’s ending so much more interesting?

If a Painter can kill everyone and force them to play piano knowing full well every second of existence is degrading the physical and mental health of the painter then they're not real.
They're just being constantly written/painted.
Just like the soul of kid verso that wanted to stop.

force them to play piano

Headcanon

Yeah he just hesitates until Maelle's painted face appears on screen.
You fucking idiot.

We are explicitly told that only Clea has the power to control others creations. And we can see how lifeless painted Clea looks like as a result.
Maelle never even comes close to showing this ability and Verso looks completely in control with his emotions considering how sad he looks.

control others creations

Painted Verso literally fucking dies in Maelle's ending. This Verso is her Verso. Everyone in Maelle's ending except maybe Sciel and Lune are painted by Maelle.

More headcanon completely detached from what actually happens in the game.

More like, if Verso's ending is the intended one, why did they bother with Gustave's POV in Act 1 and making the world feel so real?
Maelle's ending has a chilling downside they hammer home but it's really the "I think the canvas world is real enough" option.
The other case would basically mean you'll never recognize sentient AI as being life. The whole "Is Data a Person?" trial episode of TNG.

>what if

there goes your arugment
take the story of the game as it is, again, like what renoir said, the failure to see things as it is cause misery because you're already checkmate by reality, you just refuse to accept it

you can headcannon any scenarios you want but the baseline reality in this game's narrative has already been established, it's a story about a grieving family. their reality weighs more than any of their creations because the cart cannot pull the horse.

the reddito who noticed maelle is mutted and everyone is using his image

Not all heroes wear capes

Verso was TRAPPED in the canvas and BETRAYED by Maelle and forced to play the piano for ONE MILLION YEARS

Verso's ending is for people who can only make decision based on what's right in front of their face. Maelle's ending is for people who have the capacity to think and ponder complex questions.

It seems we share a common goal, Maelle…

Not really, this nigga was replacing an existing world. Can,t compare it, also can't compare it to FFTA.

Everything is going to be okay...

Wait. If you lose an eye to trauma do they seriously scoop the rest out and just leave it open like that? I thought the eye was sown shut to prevent infection? Atleast that's what I was told when I had to get my cat's eye removed.

Falls off after Gustave's death. After being introduced and connected to the world THROUGH Gustave leaving him behind just left a sour taste in my mouth. Maelle and Verso never really measured up to him in terms of personality. I think a more compelling story would've been Gustave coming to terms he's not real and pushing Maelle out of the world to live in the REAL world. Like just for a moment change the canvas world to a VR world and her parents are "computer programmers" how fucking lame is that? Probably the biggest fall from grace in a story I've seen in a long fucking time. But anyone who even thinks Maelle isnt acting like a childish 16 year old girl with extreme family trauma is delusional. Verso is obviously in the right.

The people in the canvas are not real people.

One of the "not real people" in the canvas developed a technology that allows the "not real people" to fight on par with the painters with only a few weeks of using it (Gustave's Lumina Converter)
This was not something invented by any of the painters and even Painted Renoir is shocked when Gustave manages to actually hurt him

They are absolutely real people. It's also made explicit that the canvas world would continue living on just fine so long as the canvas isn't destroyed (Monoco and Esquie did stuff by themselves when RealVerso wasn't in it) - all of the painters (including Maelle) can leave and it'd be fine. Maelle leaving the canvas would only put it in danger because Renoir would immediately destroy it as soon as all of his family is out of it.
I think the real reason RealRenoir wants to destroy it so bad (instead of just locking it up and burying it or something) is because he's terrified at what the Lumina Converter could mean - if their painted creations are strong enough to overpower the painters with just a few months of using it, what if they keep using it for years? Could they even become powerful enough to leave the canvas?

So many people in these threads who are just happy handwaving the people in the canvas as "not real" as if reality is something with an agreed upon definition. Ontological questions that have philosophers arguing today are just gonna be answered by random Anons? Gimme a break.

FACT

they're not real

ALSO FACT

they have the right to exist as much as the actual real people

it's not that hard

Gustave invented something so he's real

How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?

Maelle is sending their brightest now, ooooh scary

depends on the injury i guess and also one of the reasons people use eyepatch

t. retard who thinks he can define reality

You're the one who's going for the easy way out to avoid having to deal with actual moral quandaries.

Neither of them, both were being selfish in fact the whole family was in a way they all were pieces of shit

I think the real reason RealRenoir wants to destroy it so bad (instead of just locking it up and burying it or something)

It's stated that no matter where they try to hide the Canvas, Aline is so fucking obsessed with it she'll find it and enter again, which is exactly what she does during Renoir's boss fight in Lumière

Most people use an eyepatch or false eye, why a wealthy young woman like Alicia uses neither is unclear.

They're made out of fucking ink you troglodyte, they live in a canvas, south of Lumiere there's fucking nothing, north of the Monolith there's fucking nothing, they think, they progress and they invent shit because someone is painting it that way. They are sentient but they're leeching off Maelle's life away.

She's been grinding her NEET stat since Verso died

hundred (canvas) years of paint gooning all it took was renoir reminding his wife that she saved him from a canvas in order to make her fuck off again immediately

Do they have to prevent infections if the fire cauterized it?

Ink, atoms, does it really matter? They're sapient, self-aware. Life is not purely about biology.

started this whole mission to save Lumiere, so that's what I'm going to do
don't care about the rest

If you found out we are living a simulation right now, would you be okay with out entire world being wiped because someone external to our simulation decided to use it as a form of escapism?

Neither. Maelle was more in the right, but she shouldn't have stayed in the painting. Anyone saying Verso was right can fuck off, though. He's a hypocrite, not your guy.

me for uninstalling this pretentious goyslop movie gaym after the shitty, retarded, boring intro

the one that lets me save lune

Depends on what exactly happened.

Given the state of things it's likely the fire was started using an accelerant which could have gotten in her eye, resulting in her eyeball literally being on fire - at that point it's best to remove it. Would have also likely caused damage to the socket which would make a glass eye not usable - from what we see of it there's more than just her eyeball missing so there was likely a lot of flesh that had to be removed from the damage.

while Maelle, Aline, and Renoir are playing make believe in fairyland Clea is off waging war on the writers, probably assassinating them left and right

Clea sequel when?

What would Gustave have done?

Poor girl :(

they are gonna pull a the last of us and make us play as the writers to show how the painters were always evil

value fantasy over reality

the problem is the canvas isn't just fantasy in the game. its like an alternate reality. the people there have real thoughts and feelings

Coulda swore that shit broke after he died? Lune specifically said that MAN has destroyed all the backups too.

Verso, hands down.

same thing aline did to renoir. save maelle from canvas addiction

NTA, but the first questions I would have would be why they made black and brown people in a world that's supposed to be used for therapeutic escapism. And then I would politely ask them to paint over all the black and brown people, and if they refused, I would insist they erase the canvas.

He'd want her to leave the painting for her own safety obviously, but he wouldn't have let Verso end the painted world. The idea that he would just be okay with everyone he knows being killed, including his sister and lifelong friends, is insane.

So basically it would have been the best ending.

m-muh feelings

fuck off.

He obviously would have fighted against Verso, why would he care about anything that isn't protecting his world?

Would've been way more compelling to have him convince her to leave instead of *checks notes* a fake 100+ year old immortal NPC of her dead brother. What a BLUNDER. But it was written by the French what did you expect.

It's not about being sentient. If we were living in a simulation and someone wanted to blow up the servers we wouldn't be able to do shit.
Now
If you knew you were living in a simulation, if you knew the real person you represent is dead and his mom is here playing with you like a doll in some adventure, if despite defeating her and letting her rest from the physically and mentally taxing process of being in the server, everyone you know dies, and now your reincarnated sister after killing your entire simulated family in the server wanted to keep the simulation going, falling in the same mistakes his mom did, with the same risks to her health, would you let her?

then why do you care about the dessendre family's feelings then. who cares if her dad is sad that she's in the canvas

no shit they are. Aline is the head of their council.

verso by the mere fact maelle was going to force him to live

Kicked Maella/Alicia out of the painting but not freed Verso's soul most likely. Hard to say if that'd be a better ending unless both Aline and Alicia managed to kick their cope addiction while they recovered and everybody would still be dead until somebody came back and repainted them.

The problem is that they're all seeing it as a zero-sum game
If Gustave were around he'd just say "yeah Maelle you should probably leave the Canvas but there's no reason to destroy it, just come back for a visit every few years"

maelle by the sheer fact that verso was gonna force all of lumiere to remain dead

Kick Maelle out and promised Renoir to help him against Aline if she came back.

but there's no reason to destroy it

That's not Maelle's decision, retards, Renoir will burn the canvas so Alicia and Aline can stop playing pretend in a fake world. Gustave convincing Maelle to leave is STILL VERSO'S ENDING

Wasn't Verso's original plan was to kill himself and what's left of his soul to stop the mum from wanting to come back? It just looks like the writers wanted to force both endings to be imperfect by making up a stupid rule that the whole painting world would break down without him.

Gustave would have invented a way to escape the canvas

Clair Obscur 1: Paris France, 1905

Clair Obscur 2: Vienna Germany, 1908

Uhhhhhhh based?

fake world

again with the fake world bs
stop thinking about the perspective of the family members and think about literally every other person that lives in Lumiere, do their lives not matter?

I'm using the perspective of the family members because that's what the game uses as real people in the real world.
The people in Lumiere don't matter because
THEY
ARE
FUCKING
PAINTED

how many years is Anon Babble gonna spend arguing over the ending

YOU WILL GO BACK TO LUMIERE! And you will live the rest of your miserable life on a stage!! KNOWING that you'll never have Alicia! That this canvas rejected you. IT. BEAT. YOU! IIIIII BEAT YOU!!!

one week

fantasizes about enslaving, torturing, and manipulating people

imagine being a cleafag

what would Anon Babble's canvas look like

That's what I implied though. Unless Aline and Alicia can work through their grief while physically unable to return the Canvas just gets destroyed anyway, the only real difference is the gang spends some amount of time bumming around a dead city before it happens.

70 years of losing friends broke him, and the canvas had been irreparably fucked by the Dessendre family's squabbles. Maelle's plan was to betray her father's trust again and ride out as many years as she could as an escapist addict instead of face reality.

Loved this Isekai.

Lotta futas in the underworld, locked behind an infinite number of puzzles.

I've seen the idea thrown around that the best way for the ending to have gone would have been for Maelle to leave after reviving the dead, and for Verso to have not destroyed the canvas. That way everyone could have lived happily ever after. While I agree that ending would have been a bit more satisfying while keeping in within the game's themes, they do make it somewhat clear that it isn't an option.

Somehow, Alina will always find the canvas. Both Renoir and Clea state that it can't be hidden from her for long. It seems like she can just tell roughly where it is through some magic connection. Renoir is even proven correct about this mid-fight when Aline shows back up to help you defeat him. So from Renoir's perspective, he HAS TO destroy the canvas or his family will fall to ruin even if he doesn't want to.

Given that, though, it does make me wonder how Maelle's ending even works considering eventually Renoir would try again to stop her or Aline would come back to the painting because of her addiction. Her ending is still the more morally justifiable one, though.

they are sentient. they matter retard

So basically this game is Star Ocean 3's plot all over again? You know that twist that absolutely everybody hated.

I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with anything I'm saying, but I also don't think Maelle should have stayed in the painting.

If anon is Maelle in this discussion, then he'd be from outside the simulation and get his irl memories back, and also be actively dying inside the simulation at a point in time where 99% of people were already deleted weeks ago

Jeets, Chinks and asians in general are 100% pro Verso

westerners are more pro-Maelle/Alicia

Really makes you think, maybe because bug/shitters people don't have feelings or cristianity to base their decisions they tend to see Painted people as "less than human", they have sex, they are born and they die, how are they actually different from humans?

go through all that fucking hardship just to get vaporized because of a dude who already betrayed you once

I just couldn't do it to sciel and lune

no

Somehow, Alina will always find the canvas.

Why can't they lock it up instead of hiding it? Can Aline teleport to it too?

Renoir just has to task the Lumièran to develop tech to kill her everytime she pops back in. ICBMs

she'll just paint a hole in the door

You do realize he wrote that 67 years earlier, right?

He's a hypocrite

Pic related, bitch

You fucking retards keep this "you are dehumanizing them!" argument going but Lune and Sciel got gommaged the fuck out and Maelle painted them back like nothing happened. It's that fucking simple you can just paint them, unpaint them, force them to play piano forever and even bring them back like Gustave and Sophie. They're fiction within the game setting.
You are all fucking retarded.

We don't know. Obviously it seems almost outrageous that it would be literally impossible to keep her away from the canvas, but for whatever reason, they seem to think that it is. And again, the fact that she was able to find it even after it was hidden from her, seems to suggest a magical connection. We just don't know the extent.

Maelle found a clever place for the canvas, according to Clea.
She still broke in.

Relax, Clair Obscur ROYAL will fix it, we will have a Prologue of the prologue with Clea and fake-Verso trying to fix everything and a extension of the third act where Clea comes to clear the mess.

Also:

Maelle is a selfish brattish girl

Clea is the classical independent retard woman

Verso is just a Anon Babble user that loves stupid memes to the point of creating a entire village where every single villager is a retarded meme and that the chief is a buff dom mommy

Holy shit can you STOP seething in every single goddamn fucking thread of this game, always with literally the exact same copypasted fucking post you rancid dustpan

this is a retarded take, yeah they have control over their souls and can bring them back to life like deities but that doesn't make then fake people any more than god himself coming down and killing you and bringing you back would

Yes, that's what I said and what my point was

Sounds like it to me. Artificial world is being destroyed by its higher dimensional creators. The main (artificial) characters discover a way to fight back against the higher dimensional beings to stop themselves being destroyed. In this case "it's all a painting" instead of "its all a simulation", but even the "higher dimensional" thing holds, it's just 2d vs 3d instead of 3d vs 4d.

They come back still in panic mode from the gommage. Not a single nanosecond of consciousness stream lost.

Painted people are infinitely more replaceable, they can be crafted from whole cloth, revived from most forms of death, or edited in any way you please - including making them virtually immortal. They're very convincing simulacrums, but their existences ultimately lack the notions of scarcity and permanence that make human lives precious.

Until the devs inevitably reveal which I'd the canon ending in a dlc or sequel.

Who was in the right?

Still Marche, even more so now that the retard is a woman.

People who just want to escape from reality should all be lobotomized. It doesn't matter if it's Twitter, streaming or video games, everyone else who is actually a functioning, working person, is better off with these terminally online escapist wastes of life being used instead for industrial purposes. Or better yet, simply killed off. Video games, virtual reality, music and streaming should be banned and the government should institute a law that gives a populace an hour online at most, per day, or you get shot.

sequel takes place in a different canvas, and the ending doesn't matter because verso's canvas gets destroyed either way

maelletards

They have no souls
THEY
ARE
P
A
I
N
T
E
D

You keep asspulling this "They think therefore they are" point when the game literally tells you that it's Painter Magic and they don't have to explain shit. To the people in the real world of the game the painted people are make-belive bullshit and BECAUSE THEY ARE SO SENTIENT THIS FORM OF ESCAPISM THAT FUCKS YOU UP IS SO DANGEROUS.

youtube.com/watch?v=CeWsWvpF15U

If there is ever a sequel it'll surely take place in the real world with one of the other factions like Musicians or Writers

I love it when characters who are both good have irreconcilable differences and have to fight to the end. The Japanese would've had it been some sort of gay miscommunication.

Do not consume art ever again, you're clearly too smoothbrained to understand it.

gestral gambler area

got me hyped

it's just a meme

not once, BUT TWICE

Biggest letdown of the game, was expecting to get in debt and have to sell Maelle underwear to keep afloat.

Pokémon Snap spin-off with the Photographers when?

Says the retard defending the bad end of the game.

It's even more kino here 'cause they are siblings that genuinely love each other. Maelle wants to spend more time with her big brother, the one member of her family she loved the most, while Verso wants to save the life of her little sister again, who he knows is gonna end up like their mother. It's peak baguette misery kino.

He thinks there is a bad and a good end

You just outed yourself

Selfish suicide is one of the major themes of the game, and I've been (probably incorrectly) leaning towards the idea that Verso was the one who 'authored' his own death, only to be brought back against his will as an immortal by his grieving mother, and then had a temporary change of heart after seeing what it did to his mother and little sister.

The lingering soul of the real Verso disagrees with you.

plot twist verso didn't even die just forged his death to become a musician

T-this d-doesn't count, THE BOY DOESN'T HAVE A SOUL! HE IS JUST PAINT!

Kill youself
Clea doesn't treat them as real.

Clea is a psycho who doesn't even care about her real family

The escapism = bad comments made me think. I'm not actually sure that this form escapism actually would be bad for Maelle for it didn't physically destroy her over time. Generally escapism is considered bad because you're avoiding responsibilities, relationships, socializing, etc. But in the painted world, she would just be taking on a new life, new responsibilities, relationships, and social life rather than lacking them. Assuming she doesn't/isn't able to use her powers tyrannically over the denizens of the painting, I actually think it's strictly speaking a better, healthier life for her than the alternative.

*if it didn't physically destroy her over time

Clea doesn't treat them as real.

Clea is a sociopathic bitch, who cares what she believes.

The most kino part about this game is that the Eiffel tower is a literal brush stroke so if you took notice you would realize that the world was painted from the start

The same lingering soul Verso asks if he's tired of painting and nods?

Maelle is literally just choosing her painted life (which she lived 16 years of without knowing about her Alicia life) over her Alicia life. She simply prefers it.

You're gonna take the side of the grieving sociopath over the tangible lingering soul of the person that created the painted world?

And Clea is a retarded bitch, both of her parents are dying for a stupid reason and she doesn't care, wants revenge at any costs, and even worse, she fucked even more the Canvas situation making it harder for their parents to return and not only that she puts her ultra weak sister to death.

Esquie is more human than that demented bitch

spoiler me the entire story. I am never going to play this shit anyways.

You see what Aline and Renoir are doing in the real world, they're frozen in place. Maelle got isekai'd and you never get to see if this is taking a toll on her real body. She is missing responsibilities, relationships, etc.

The best ending is they should've just end it on act 2 instead of going with all these real world thingy
It's Star Ocean 3 asspull or Dragon Quest 11 act 3 all over again, all these life, deaths, and the effort of previous expeditioners doesn't hold any weight anymore
All discussion at the end is only about dessendres instead about the expeditions

a couple of women get addicted to The Sims VR
the men try to delete their save file

Yes, the one that also says "Maybe I should keep painting. If it were a choice."

CLEA WAS MEAN TO MY TOYS SHE'S SUCH A BITCH

Are you faggots 12?

For me, it's how characters turn into paint whenever you get the camera too close to them. Absolute pottery.

She cares, she's just escaping/handling her grief in her own way by focusing on revenge against the culprits instead of wallowing.

being such a lazy faggot you can't even both to watch the cutscenes on youtube

I'd tell you to neck yourself but you'd probably ask me to do it for you

"I'm sick and tired of painting but maybe I should if it means killing my sister?"

Maelle-fags. Not even once.

No. Work for it, slut.

I care about my family

I will ignore my remaining alive family members self-destructing so I can plot my assassination of Victor Hugo

Pottery! Also the word chroma means "purity or intensity of colour." There are subtle hints everywhere.

Verso is afflicted with Inverted

doesn't become Recto causing a complete localized space/time collapse of the Canvas world

Trash game

He says it before the ending. Completely unrelated to his sister being in the painting. He's tired of painting because he has no choice in the matter, but would otherwise be happy to do it.

easy, verso chads

You see in her ending that it is affecting her body, but my point was that if it wasn't, then she'd be better off in the painting. That escapism, at least in this instance, isn't the problem. She still has responsibilities, relationships, and a healthy social life in the painting

how do Frogs feel about being spoiled on the game by the ost alone? From what I understand a lot of the songs are pretty spoilery.
youtu.be/t0nPyX_MwVo?si=fKwy9knNwl7O7BYK

lack of empathy is a sign of sociopathy, anon

the paintress being the endboss is boring, like missing the true end in a VN. they kill the paintress and then what, go home to lumiere and live happily ever after? it would be a mediocre ending completely lacking in emotion for what was a great emotional start.

People will pick the Verso ending and immediately spend another 20 hours completing the optional content and NG+.
All Versofags are Maellefags in denial.

He is either autistic or in denial about his own sociopathy.

Killing myself because cartoons are nice to me is not empathy, it's retardation.

I NG+'d to fuck Lune, you can beat the game in 4 hours if you avoid fights and skip cutscenes.

UHHHH BUT WHY RUSH THROUGH THE STORY

Because I beat it yesterday, retard.

People are already becoming gooner slaves to AI by forcing it to chat, roleplay and writing self insert erotic stories for them, you'd have to be insane not to realize 99% of people would be living 24/7 in the painted world as gods if possible
It's a good thing actual fully immersive virtual reality is probably a century+ away because that alone will completely fry the brains of humanity

This would be more of a choice if they said something like "the Writers have been dealt with" instead of mentioning them in an ongoing war
Choosing Alicia will spell doom for everyone because it is just a matter of time until the Writers dealt with their entire family now that they have been severely weaken

Can you actually have a relationship with Lune if you don't fuck Sciel? if so that's fucked up that they only give you the option to fuck sciel at first, and if you take it, you miss out on the good stuff

Good ending then.

Understanding when to let go doesn't mean you cannot enjoy the journey to get there, pseud

if Clea is such a shit sister Alicia would rather a painted family that's on her

Clea is buckling under the strain of trying to handle all of her family's worldly responsibilities and wage a one-woman retaliatory war against the Writers while her parents and remaining sibling are wallowing in misery. Her Axom is a figure struggling to hold up a city for a reason, her resentment and lack of empathy in this situation all stems from her doing too fucking much with no help from the people she's doing it for.

Yes, you bang her after the two of you talk about music. Lune chads like myself figured out that if you're given the option with Sciel you'll probably also get the option with Lune later on, and was vindicated.

I just feel kinda sad for the devs because it's their first game so they lacked balls to deliver a bad ending where everyone gets deleted after killing the paintress and you have to replay again (at least reload the save) to find clues of what to do before killing her, so they had to keep the game with basically just one ending, since it's their first game make it more streamlined was the rightful decision because retards here are already complaining of lack of "lecommended level" on monster heads or warnings and would be complaining "WHAT THE FUCK, I HAVE TO REPLAY THE LAST SECTION AGAIN TO GET THE TRUE ENDING".

Unironically siding with P*inters

if she actually tried with Renoir they could've pulled Aline out in a couple days tops. She pulls some sociopathic tricks and then fucks off to go hunt Writer scalps while calling her little cripple sister a retard dumbfuck cunt and all put assuring she would want to abandon the Dessendres completely
Clea a shit. Only Renoir and Verso are worth a fuck.

I'm pretty sure it's NG+ bait, she tells you she was into Verso at max relationship in the post-game and Sciel's offers happen at like level 3, she doesn't stop asking if you reject her the first time either.

Guys, what if the writers were framed by Clea

knows her little sister's gonna spend the next 16 years of her life as another girl inside the Canvas

"god you're such a retard you let mom's chroma affect you, fuck's sake well enjoy your time there while I clean your shit as well..."

What a gal

I am weak to midriffs so I took Sciel's offer right away.

Clea is probably the only one who cares about the family. Mom and dad are fighting inside painting and clean is trying to handle real world problems like the writers

She loved her oniisan doe

y r u mad anon it just a dude sharin his opinion

Clea revenge plot is just because she was fucking a Writer and their family decided to kill Verso as a message, so she just feels remorse for being the cause of Verso's death

Kino.

We all know the musicians were behind the fire and Verso's death

Life keeps forcing cruel choices

this shit basically writes itself

Musicians killing the only one in the family that likes to play

Poetry

I blame those fucking

ENGINEERS

The fuck did Gustave do?

Fucking painters should have stayed in their own lane

youtube.com/watch?v=YeEbtiruH2Q

Clair Obscur 2 is just a Warrior beat em up game where we fight the Musicians gang, the Writers gang and the Directors gang

plus we get this scene with a drug addict Writer

Invented the Lumina Converter, which is why Expedition 33 is so much more powerful than all the others

More like because Renoir literally empowered them and Maelle with prime painter cum

OpenAI

I really hope the go with this direction for the DLC that different artist families are in a big bloodfeud

The Directors

They use their GOTY power to put Kojima in the game

I grinded too much before the final fight now I ruined it for me, thought it was going to be way way difficult but no, you just need to go straight to Lumiere after Maelle brought back the other expeditioners.

implying

If the rock music wasn't an indicator, Lumiere is a power trip.
Creation might be challenging but the rest is a cakewalk.

He jobbed for Verso

All that strength and the swimmer couldn't just throw his journal back to Lumiere.

thought it'll be another cp77 situation and it's simply unethical to romance anyone in this game

mfw the endings

doesnt clea have a harp in her room?

he didn't play through the secret path where Gustave survives and gets to fight the Dualliste

Oh no no no no no...

Yes, they're painted. But they're also sentient and have lives and souls and agency and make their own choices. Lumiere citizens decided the Paintress is what gommages them, and although they were wrong it proves they're sentient, because if they weren't they would've just served the Paintress since she's the one who created them. They're not puppets.

this anon actually sits around hugging and crying together after a death in the family instead of avoiding everyone and distracting themself from the pain with something mind-numbing

ok fag.

Really likes the endings in that one. Also Clea romance is very-well made.

I'm actually interested in Clea and this whole implied conflict happening outside of the canvas, between what seems like the creative arts? writers, painters, musicians, dancers?

Don't know why I find it compelling, just good writing perhaps.

Devs really missed an easy layup of deleting your save file if you side with Verso and going into new game plus if you side with Maelle.

You're just repeating the same fucktarded argument. It doesn't matter how much they can think, they're still painted. The only person existing is Maelle and she's killing herself by playing pretend.

Finish the Endless tower my dude

pict

Sure but...

post Gustave's death everything really went downhill writing wise.

Same. Bashed my head against Simsim and clearing tower, and wreaking havoc across the continent in general. Final boss died before being able to do anything (wasn't even running Stendhal). Though i was fully expecting that to be the case
Maybe in NG+ i'll be able to get the fight proper

Ugly photorealism slop

You're just intrigued by how little information is, it'll be gay as soon as they try to explain it and it won't be anywhere close to your expectations.

Are you dumb? Verso delivers the Lumina converter and his arm exactly after they say that.

not him but are you just being retarded on purpose for (you)s?

I'm convinced it's sequel bait.

wtf are you talking about its just his arm which they leave in the ground anyway

bottom not comfy

Zoomie's exposing their age.

It was a bit weird to hear Gustave just say "Die, asshole" for the final Renoir fight but I guess he just wanted to get it over with

spotted the n'wah who can't imagine what it would be like if he didn't have breakfast in the morning

I still don't get who that puppet thing sitting in the Reacher is supposed to be

Why did the writers force Maelle to be such a huge hypocrite at the last second? You can literally let Alicia die and then not let Verso die as back-to-back events

rewatch the cutscene

It's every thread. Daily. Hourly. Always the same shit. The game's barely a week old and I can already recognize his signature posting of "the game peaked at Act 1 and there never should've been a real worse or Verso, it should've been Gustave blowing up the Paintress and the game ending". It's taxing.

No, the converter is also there.

Looks similar to in-canvas Aline to me but idk the implications

The Axon that represents Alicia. This is literally said outright, stop looking at your phone during cutscenes

True, I can't think of any other character with a gaping hole on the right side of their head.

Remember, the giant thingamajigs were made by Renoir, this is how he sees Maelle.

It's the axon version of Alicia. The Visages are Verso. The Sirene is Aline. The dead Axon in Old Lumiere with an entire city on it's back is Clea.

They're Renior's creations

french doing the only good thing that they are good

writing about how human existence is just pain and misery

Let's hope that they stick at this and don't even try to grasp into politics, because that's when French becomes actual retards.

Anon, the Lumina Converter is what allows them to use Luminas and level up. You know, what you keep doing for the rest of the game, just like how you keep using Colours of Lumina items.

Like yeah, sure, but why does it look like the Paintress and Painter Renoir when the real Alice is just Maelle

It's an interest concept that different artist are fighting amongst themselves and very French. A lot of enemies are artist inspired, like troubadours, dancers, actors.

You can revive Noco and then choose to delete Noco, Monoco, and everyone else as back-to-back events

Are you really confused about why she was so willing to let a simulacrum of her real self die but not the one of her dead brother she's been avoiding grieving for?

this isn't at all strange if you paid any attention to the story and characters

She doesn't look like the ghosts, Anon. What are you talking about.

so they wrote Maelle and Verso as hypocrites

This little thing??? Its barely even noticeable. And if it was implanted into his arm I would think it would've been blown out with him overloading it.

I mean technically after the final gommage when they come back they just do shit because none of its real. Because there aint no way Maelle just HAPPENED to paint everything that was in Lune's pockets at the time they dissipated.

Family, is, as they say... le complicated, mon ami.

She hates her life in the real world, Painted-Alicia remembers her of that, that's why she acts so cunty towards it not even giving Verso time to say his goodbyes, that and real-Renoir conversation are basically the strongests points to defend Verso ending, Alicia wants to die in a happy-fake world instead of trying to live in a world of pain

Whats the purpose of The Manor in-game? I haven't found all the doors yet but beyond some secret rooms I can't figure out if it's the actual real manor outside the painting.

Bro come on you can see the converter dangling, don't zoom in on some random far away shot.

why are you taking a screenshot when its in motion flying through the air instead of any other frame when its clearly visible

Hey retard here. I've posted in 2 threads since completely the game 3 days ago. Not saying the game isnt great but after that the writing felt weak and flimsy but there are a lot of strong points. (Pic related)

The Lumina Converter is not implanted in his arm anon....
It looks like a little lamp thing, they show it in cutscenes many times.

if it was implanted into his arm

It wasn't

It's part of the painted world, the doors are spread throughout the world too so I imagine real Verso made it as a safe place. It also makes sense Maelle gets sent there since it's safe.

It's Alicia sitting in a womb. Picrelated is supposed to symbolize Aline's hairy frenchussy

Aline is a bigger bitch than Clea. At least Clea is an equal opportunity dick and acts cold toward her whole family. Aline just singles out Alicia and treats her like total shit

Have you finished Act 2? You play in the real world as Alicia when you meet Clea, and the manor is 1:1 the same so...

ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS GET OUT OF THE PAINTING MAELLE!!!

Aside from the locked off areas from the fire. It's not in the real world, you can enter the place where the canvas is supposed to be.

Not even once the game questioned their agency or diminishes the value of their existence. Not once. So erasing canvas kills hundreds of sentient human beings.

I like broken Alicia in the real world more than Maelle.

PEINDRE L’AMOUR
PEINDRE LA VIE
PLEURER EN COULEUR
SUR LA TOILE NOTRE AMOUR SE MEURT
JE T’AIME

Clea isn't even a bitch. She's just rightfully tired as fuck from her family fucking about playing house with dolls while she has to shoulder the responsibility of fighting their war all on her own.
Aline is obsessed and insane and acting very unfairly towards Alicia, she definitely is a bitch.

Didn't mean to say it was in the real world, but that the real world manor is what inspired Canvas manor. I mean hell real Renoir is inside it.

So what?
They can come back like how Maelle can bring back Lune, Sciel, Gustave and Sciel's husband.
The only real person there is Alicia.

Aline blames Alicia for the death of Verso. In fact everyone does, that's why maelle feels like she doesn't belong anywhere because she's hated by her family. Only people that doesn't hate her are Gustave and Verso.

PEINDRE L'AMOUR
PEINDRE LA VIE
PLEURER EN COULEUR
SUR LA TOILE NOTRE VIE S’ÉCRIT
ADIEU

Nigga that's EXACTLY the opposite of what Renoir says
You're fucking incredible

Dont forget Aline painted a version of Clea and then had it fall in love with some muscular himbo
Shes literally making fanfiction of her daughter getting railed by a fucking Ken doll

pseuds who believe the writing in this game is flawless will never comment on the dialogue from Sciel, Lune, and Monoco's relationship quests because they think having a party at all is useless

i don't think clea hates her. she wants to play with alicia in the endless tower. she cares more than shes willing to admit. her dad clearly cares about her too

aline is a massive asshole tho

mom likes to watch her daughter getting railed by a himbo

Why is that a bad thing?

The painted family have sentience. Aline didn't make the painted Clea fall in love with anyone. She did that on her own

Throughout the history of arts there were always artists debating which art form is superior blah blah.
Videogames and this game in particular prove this debate is stupid, and you can reach new hights when you combine them

I went with verso cause it the right thing to do.

Also like guys are we forgetting that maelle can repaint Lumiere in a new canvas. She has a doll of esqiue she can repaint him, like yeah it's different but that's what happens same with the gestrals

I just want an esqiue plushie for my couch

and then had it fall in love with some muscular himbo

People keep saying that but there's zero proof Simon and Clea falling for each other was something Aline forced and not something that happened naturally between the two like Verso and Julie

The only one who blames Alicia for Verso's death are Aline and Alicia herself.
Renoir CLEARLY does not blame her whatsoever and Clea is straight up bantering with her telling her to get over it.

What did they mean by that

Its why nothing matters and there are no stakes

just rolled credits on maelles ending
what are the odds of them releasing a dlc for a golden ending

They're probably gonna start selling those

0%

0
You'll get a sequel in the real world with Clea and Alicia may or may not be there.

real verso is dead, so it's just the will of a painter versus a seething painting
maelle wins

I mean that's kind of the point like Alicia/Maella needs to let go of her brother and she needs to move on to other things there are stakes she lost her family her friends but she can build a new life

What Renoir says and what Maelle feels are two different things. Throughout the game she says that it feels like she doesn't belong anywhere.

Leon the Professional

The Little Prince

Les Miserables

The 3 Musketeers

The Count Of Monte Cristo

The french are allergic to happy endings

50%? They weren't expecting this success, basically all game success is word of mouth, if they respect the ending product they just move on and maybe just put a prologue of a prologue DLC, but touching the ending will ruin all discussion about the game, just like P5 Royal basically ruins P5.

The stake is Alicia, the character you've played as for 95% of the fucking game.

not a life-sized Esquie lovesac to BE your couch

fake fan

What am I seeing here

So the family does care for her. Dumbass.
Renoir wants Aline and Alicia to not be consumed by grief.

clea and sophie

I think the devs said they would I love esqiue mon amis!

Elon should quit making Tesla bots and work on a life sized esqiue therapy robot

So the game is basically Anon Babble?

0%
Would miss the point

I was thinking about the ending of Steelrising, also french, also has the protagonist sacrifice herself to save a young girl.

They weren't expecting this success

Movie adaptation was greenlit... in january.

yfw the writer she fell in love with looks like simon

In fact everyone does

The only family member who blames her is her mother
Most of all Alicia blames herself the hardest she has a ton of trauma over his death

Daddy and Clea don't give her any blame at all not sure where you ever got that

Shouldn't the painters be shitting heavy bricks the second they realize that a few of their creations have self-actualized, and created a device that's capable of converting their paint magic into a new form that's capable of killing them (god)? Narrative drama aside, Lumina (light) is most likely going to be a recurring theme in some way for future games in the series.

retard

small dev team pls understand

Y'all say this game isn't woke but they gave half the female chars tranny browbones and the two women boned each other. Kcd 2 goty

Just have to convince him that it'll make people think he's cool and he'll do it. It won't, of course, but by that time you'll already have the product.

the writers guild was right

a lot of you motherfuckers never played Final Fantasy Tactics: Advance, and it shows. the only correct conclusion was obvious once the Fauxpilogue played out: end this insane facade. the canvas's are evil and must be purged.

that's capable of killing them (god)?

it can't

you say this when henry and hans are in love with each other

Idek WTF that is anon I'm not autistic enough to play kcd2

They have different cheekbones and eyes but yeah they got a bit lazy with some of the faces

created a device that's capable of converting their paint magic into a new form that's capable of killing them (god)?

No..? The only one who is even able to touch the Paintress or her designated immortal paintings is Maelle/Alicia using her Painter powers anon
The others are all completely unable to do anything against any of them

where do i go to learn about the rhea/writers subplots?

what the fuck is wrong with those people

bugged Canvas mechanics

He doesn't reply because his thought has been obliterated. The unfeeling utilitarian would side with maelle.

Although maelle doesn't even do it morally.
It's a world within a world. The canvas isn't filled with unfeeling npcs. It's those with wants, needs and the ability to reproduce.

maelle ending

you didn't beat the game

I know everyone wants Clea DLC but I'd love some more Verso sufferkino, like meeting earlier expeditions, falling in love then being captured by Julie, his friends dying, growing distance from painted Renoir, etc.

The point is that SHE feels like nobody does. If she felt that she had a loving family outside the painting she wouldn't still be there.

p-please play FINAL FANTASY, ITS THE KING OF RPGS

I dropped this franchise in 6 and will never touch it again, will only give a chance the day that square enix is dead and the IP is in the hand of a chinese or saudi company.

In fact everyone does, that's why maelle feels like she doesn't belong anywhere because she's hated by her family.

what was the most depressing moment of the game and why was it mallae killing painted alicia with verso just standing there

capable of killing them (god)

Renoir heals his entire lifebar during the final boss and that only seizes when Aline comes back and uses the Paintress as a kaiju. Lune straight up says at the beginning of that cutscene "fuck, he keeps healing"

Who gives a fuck what they feel? What part of this world within a world saps away the life of the Painters AND THAT'S WHY RENOIR WANTS TO DESTROY IT do you not understand? Anything that pushed Alicia out of the painting allows Renoir to destroy the canvas.

They can't kill the painters. They can force the painters out of the canvas though after having only used the converter for a few weeks, so maybe they could do more after using it for years and years
maybe they could even leave the canvas and help the painters against the writers in the real world

You can tell this isn't a AAA game because there's no way a AAA studio in 2025 would greenlight designing a character with a figure as erotic as Maelle's because they're afraid they'd lose the business of both members of the modern audience who actually buy video games

For me was why Sciel knew Esquie.

The good old days of the Guillotine

I thought it was Clea gaining a few seconds of conciousness to summon Nevrons and kill herself.
Or maybe even the expedition that saw Verso heal from his wounds and tortured him for information

Feeling hated and being hated is basically the same.

No it's not you fucking retard.

speedwatching cutscenes

Nigger, every single fight against a Painter or a Painted-Painter shows them as immortal and only Maelle is able to kill them or Painted-Clea is able to just off herself out of real-Clea influence.

i feel like you are a retard, therefor you are retard

It is for the person who feels it. I know it's hard to understand when you're autistic and can't read people's emotions.

Same. That moment perfectly encapsulates Verso's trauma I think. Despite his involvement, despite being fucked around with and being made to suffer, he's still merely a bystander. He can't do anything. The Painter family and their drama decides over his entire existence while he is helpless.

I like most songs but I swear that one is awful, it feels like they're screaming instead of singing, it's loud as hell and clashes with the bgm

Was it ever explained who wrote this? I'm assuming it's Renoir but that's a really weird move from him?

what was the clea thing about? i didnt quite understand that character. i understood her real life character, but not her painting personas/creations

Gustave dying thinking the expedition had failed and that the rest of his team would fall to Renoir soon after.

It was Verso. Rewatch the beach scene you can see him saying Maelle

What if you trapped a painter in a way that they can't kill themselves and let their IRL body waste a way. I mean, if Aline could do it to Renoir for 67 in-canvas years theoretically with enough technology, chroma, lumina a painted human civilization could do the same. Of course it'd take more then a century, they'd have to build and organize their entire society around trapping and keeping a mad god contained, with a knowledge that they're maybe consigning themselves to oblivion once it happens.

Verso mentions that he was following the team, and saved them from Dark Shores, and wrote that message. might have been in a side quest

Could be Verso.
Renoir wanted to keep Maelle safe so I imagine Verso pointed them to the nearest portal to the manor.

It was alicia/maelle

It's implied to be Verso I think.
It's not explicitly mentioned but we know he saved her at the beach and kept looking out for her for a while.

it feels like they're screaming

Anon, it's literally a marriage dispute in song form

Verso mentions it in a post-paintress camp scene with Maelle

I guess this would be a roundabout way to kill them

OH SHIT IT IS VERSO

So why is Monoco able to transform with Nevron feet? Did dogoMonoco used to steal Clea's socks, and it made him innately capable of interacting with her creations? Does that mean Monoco has an actual piece of dogoMonoco's soul inside him?

because he was created by shota Verso who obviously had the mentality of a child like with Esquie being how he is

Is there a time dilation effect in the canvas world?
The Gommage has been happening for 67 years (so Aline and Renoir have been in there for at least that long) but Alicia is only 16 years old?

Real Clea painted over Canvas Clea, locked her up there and forced her to churn out nevrons to try and accelerate her family's retarded war

Funniest part of the game is Clea can't draw feet for shit, I bet she was mad watching her mom draw Lune.

yes

the madman

I do not buy videogame merchandise, because that shit is cringe and childish.
On the other hand, If they open a merch store, I will clean that shit out.

What's the lore behind the dog?

55minutes

gigachad

Alicia entered in Monolith year 49, pay attention next time you play the game, jeez

Can't draw feet for shit

None of the Nevrons have feet

Lmfao

He's a dog.
They're Noco and Monoco.

ongbal btfo, his simon nohit only had like 128 parries

The two dogs are the pets of the Dessandre family
One is called Monoco the Third
Child verso used the dog or an earlier Monoco the First or 2nd as inspiration to create painted Monoco

Why do you care what renoir feels? The characters are basically fighting nepotistic petty gods.

If you just said it's inevitable then you would be arguing something else. But you're doing a more sociopathic approach of who cares. Would you care of a god appeared and just went "I'm bored" and just zapped the sun away?

From his perspective he could see as toys

Monolith year 49

So Aline would have had to be in the canvas for at least 51 years if there was no time dilation

Hopes for DLC:

just extra modifiers, more weapons and more skills to unlock

modifiers that changes the monster attitude, modifiers that allow you to play as Gustave or to have access to Esquie early on, everything on NG+ of course.

more challenges on the infinite tower, a harder Simon and a true Renoir ending fight

a arena where you can fight other players (don't need to be online, just to face their builds or friends builds)

What will probably happen:

a stupid Royal edition that will ruin the ambiguous ending of who is right

or giving context to Verso decision making his ending the canon ending

The developer has a "company dog" named Monoco living at the studio
That's a picture of him

sandfall.co/team

What has the general jap reaction to Clear Obscure been like?

Yeah, but weren't Nevron's only created after the fracture by Clea? I know she painted other things in the early years like the Lantern creature to scare Verso, and possibly Francois.

Very wholesome

It's not Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy so it's irrelevant to Japan.

Would you care of a god appeared and just went "I'm bored" and just zapped the sun away?

It doesn't matter if I care, dumbass. We wouldn't be able to do shit. Renoir matter because Renoir exists in the real world, not in the canvas, Renoir can zap the sun. Clea already sees the people in Lumiere as toys. The canvas is taking Aline and Alicia and killing them, it's why Renoir wants to zap the fucking sun in the first place.

based Lune

Is that Ongbal? He did Simon with all parries.
I can't even fucking imagine.

Erases the Expedition from the Canvas

Just straight up murk your shit if you ever fuck up.

next game

there's a monoco

every single Sandfall game has a Monoco, basically being their "Moonlight Sword"/Patches

Let's hope that they have this on mind, if the dog dies just get another and give him "the second" name.

been seeing a lot of extremely positive japanese comments in the OST uploads on youtube

Gestrals, Esquie and Monoco are the only original creations of child Verso who was the original painter of the Canvas the games takes place in, before the rest of his family fucked things up
Which is also why Gestrals & Esquie for example have this cute innocence to them, since shota Verso was a literal child when he created them

I would love to see the DLC take place in world outside the painting.

Nevrons yes, Esquie, Gestral and the ones in the station were part of Verso's world.

The ones who played seem to like it. Most notable was praise of the characters actually getting dirtied/scuffed and builds. Most common complaint was around difficulty and no minimap because apparently they get lost a lot.

you just straight up forgot the Grandis, what the fuck?

it's too hard for them. anything more complex than casting firaga melts their brains

Mark my words this studio will never come out with anything this creative or groundbreaking ever again. Gonna get swooped up and corporatized.

kek

Ubisoft buys them up and the creator end up where he began

SHUTUP SHUTUP SHUTUP SHUTUP SHUTUPPPPPP

They are almost all ex-Ubisoft staff, I doubt they'd ever be stupid enough to go in for that kind of environment again.

I often forget they exist, to be fair, since gestrals are literally everywhere but Grandis are just locked into that snow area
But yes, they also have the sort of lobotomized innocent behavior that marks them as creations of a literal child

You believe they escaped the clutches of Ub*soft to get themselves corporatized again?

Yes, but that doesn't explain Monoco's unique connection to the feet of Clea's Nevrons. Because Nevron's were only added to the world after Verso's death, I'm curious what the connection between Monoco and Clea was in order to make something like that happen.

The Infinite Tower will definitely get expanded upon. I stake my next paycheck on that one. The area looks like they definitely want to add to it as probably free DLC.

leave Ubisoft because it's too corporate and working there is killing you inside

make your own studio with like minded individuals

be extremely successful with a pure passion project

get bought up by Ubisoft

kek

Clea did play a lot with shota Verso, so I imagine Monoco was involved as well.

unironically biggest complaint are from turn based fags that say there is too much realtime interaction during the combat

Based on the reviews I've seen on xbox, they think it's great, a "return to form for JRPGs" with quite a few likening it to classic FF. A small number of negative reviews mainly criticizing the parry system and "derivative" story.

Sure they dont go back to Ubisoft but with this amount of cash flow coming in with this game. People are gonna start wanting to invest. With investors comes...well you know

I went there as soon as I killed the paintress in NG+ and it's the same. 90% of the place is inaccessible right now. Definitely adding something there.

and then Ubisoft fires them due to creative differences but keeps the IP.

Happened to Bungie and Respawn

You jest but Assassin's Creed's creator left Ubisoft to work on a new project named Amsterdam 1666 with THQ Montreal. THQ bankrupted, Ubisoft acquired THQ Montreal and proceeded to fire the AC creator after which he filed a lawsuit for the 1666 IP and thankfully won

In the game they can, they have a sympathetic god that would kill themselves to maintain it. She could give the populace thousands of more years.

of course the slowbrains would say that.

It's funny because that is LITERALLY what happened with AssCreed lmfao

They will probably get funded by a European company and lose all their soul having to adapt to the totally-not-ESG, just like happened with CD Projekt RED after Witcher 2 losing all their soul.

someone needs to warn them or they'll be forced to ship Maelle with a nigger in the sequel

Ikr, where are the group of teenagers killing god with the power of friendship?

And here I thought I couldn't hate Ubisoft more than I already did

So they're parasites but you saw them cry once and now Alicia has to die.
Gotcha.

Is there more RPGs where if you play perfectly you can do any boss in the game with no damage? Tried Sea of Stars but you just reduced the damage taken and the story is so fucking boring.

Kek

This game is kino.

The Mario&Luigi games

for me I missed 'Le church is... le bad'
can't have my jarpeg without infantile yamato rage at western religion and philosophy

Gonna get swooped up and corporatized

Don't worry, Macron will keep them funded just like the Polish government funds CD Projekt RED. Until Macron gets kicked out of office, that's it.

Dark souls

The obvious answer to me is Square Enix. People forget there was a time where Square bought tons of IPs and published a shitload of games (To no real success) and ended up selling them all off anyway.
Square used to hold the fucking Tomb Raider, Thief, and the Deus Ex Licenses.
Square tends to be nice, and let's developers do their own thing and they don't stand in the way too much, unlike EA and Ubisoft.

ENTER

Why do you care about Alicia dying but not thousands. Your line of logic doesn't even make sense.

It's essentially someone can destroy them,so they should is your line of thinking.

they aren't lifeless puppets

No, but they are philosophical zombies, homunculi, hylics, or like people here usually call them, NPCs.

Square owning Thief for decades and doing nothing with it makes me seethe

Alicia is part of the real world
The people in the canvas are not part of the real world
If Aline and Alicia weren't retarded, Renoir and Clea wouldn't have to play hide and seek with the Canvas. But they are retarded so the canvas has to go.

They can just not go into the canvas

Aline went into the canvas again, even after Clea and Alicia hid it.

They made T4ffer though?

How can you forget about the marvelous Thief 4 feat. BDSM Garrett?

I have played some of them, gonna give others a shot, the Switch one is good?

Yeah, DS1 is great for this feeling, shame that after that is chip damage schizo fest or monsters that move 100x time faster than you, yeah, I like fromsoftware games but I don't want to replay DS3 or Elden Ring DLC ever again.

Anon, we don't talk about that game here

THAT SHIT WAS GARBAGE

A woman, so more or less, yeah

Thief 4, Fear Effect Sedna, Survivor Trilogy, Nosgoth
All sacrifices so Human Revolution would be good.

DIM DIM DA DARA
DIM DIM DA DARA
DIM DA DI RAM

DIM DIM DA DARA
DIM DIM DA DARA
DIM DA DI RAM

I look at this question from the perspective of Gustave since he's my self-insert (could never vibe with Verso). I think that while Gustave loves Maelle and supports her, he also wants what's best for her and that is why he will burn the painting. He wouldn't want her to rot away in a fake world even if it's his.

Do you want french anime swordsman to join Smash?

dim, dam :D
da de lam, va calme xD

Hitman Absolution too, can't forget about that.

Verso, maelle puppeting him to perform like a monkey is beyond fucked up. Also her brothers soul, the reason this canvas exists in the first place, just wants it to end but is forced to paint as a slave.

Maelle took painted Alicia's life without giving verso a chance to talk her out of it, but won't offer the same choice to her brother.

I wanted Gustav back as much as anyone but atleast some of them don't have free will anymore so what's the point. She even remade Gustav without his arm back probably because it took away from her fantasy

the Switch one is good?

No. It's shit. It's just like nu-Paper Mario, Nintendo replaced the original devs and sucked all the soul out of it by trying to play it as safe as possible.

Ophthalmologist here. During exenteration even eyelids are removed.
Alicia is my waifu.

My boy would've saved everyone

Okay so how do you prevent shit from coming in?
Do they have to clean it up?
Can you fuck it?

So Monoco would be Clair Obscur's version of Cid?

Cant believe they stole plot from DS3's DLC

I think the most fucked up thing in Maelle's ending is Verso saying he wants to grow old (as in wants shit to end instead of continuing forever) then she slightly ages him up and forces him to be her puppet. Like holy shit lmao

I may be retarded
whose the kid sitting next to maelle in her ending?

Gustave DLC with "true end" when?

People shit on Absolution, but other than some of the goofy shit, I actually liked it. 47 protecting the girl to make sure he doesn't become like him is very endearing to me.
The ending is absolutely dogshit though. The story is intentionally vague, too vague. But it was the last Hitman game. Because these new Hitman games I can't fucking tolerate at all.
That point system gives me mind goblins.

It's her boyfriend, she just wants to fuck Anon Babble all night.
It's just the orphan kids... w-wait, everyone gommaged is back, why is she taking care of the kids?

one of gustav's apprentices

The Real Verso, or rather, a bit of his sovl.

Having the same issue desu. Started Metaphor Re Fantazimo because everyone jerked it off last year. Its REALLY not scratching that itch like E33 did but oh well.

My first guess was either one of Gustave's apprentices or one of the orphaned kids she said she takes care of after Sophie's Gommage. Some anon in another thread theorized it could be a humanized version of Verso's soul but I wouldn't say so

The Gustave apprentice that takes his diary? He has a punchable face so I kinda remember him, the doesn't look like him.

Is the main guy modeled after the twillight guy?

the perfect wife

What happens if one of the creation escapes the painting. Do they become real?

Verso and Renoir were clearly in the right.

Alicia/Maelle and Aline were addicted to the canvas, instead of living the reality and dealing with their feeling like normal humans.

They should have seeked a therapist instead of the canvas.

I don't want this life

I don't want this life

I don't want this life

Maelle refuses his request, and instead compromises and says he'll grow old. You never hear if Verso actually wants that.
That's not what the fuck he wants. That's not what he said, Maelle. Just like Aline, she's forcing him to exist.
Maelle is terrifying because she controls if you live or die, and in Verso's case, she won't let him. Why should I negotiate my life with you?
Oh, her ending pisses me off so bad.

wait, everyone gommaged is back, why is she taking care of the kids?

It's not a resurrection spell or some shit, she has to manually paint them back into existence. If she doesn't know them personally she can't do it. They have the whole Gestral/Noco revival arc as contrast to it, even if they themselves are "brought back" they will never be the same again.

Why the Paintress is so dramatic? Just write on the tower "Look, I'm not the reason why everyone is dying, go to the abyss kill my husband please" and why the fuck Renoir "death wave" just affect humans and not Gestrals and other races?

So Maelle met Sciel's husband?

she's forcing him to exist

You will live and be happy BITCH

retard thinks he can understand a videogame plot through Anon Babble shitposts

The worst is Verso knows perfectly well that Maelle won't stick to her word. She is never going to let him die. When the time comes and he's starting to get old she will make him immortal or repaint him to be young again. Maelle is quite literally the EXACT same as her mother in every way.

bros i dont think i picked the good ending...

Just started the game. The animations are horrifically bad. Running specifically is borderline comical

Why the Paintress is so dramatic

Because she was going schizo from being so long in the painting and already being a dumb mentally ill woman from losing Verso anyways

Renoir "death wave" just affect humans and not Gestrals and other races?

Probably because the humans were Aline's creations and the ones that actually tied her to the painting world.
Gestrals, Grandis, Monoco, Esquie were all original Verso creations

You didn't
Amazing that you played through all of it and still chose the "I'm gonna be the Paintress again" ending.

Relax, unlock Lune and watch her feet floating in the air for the rest of the game.

Why did Alicia repaint Lune and Sciel but not Gustave?

i think the grommage only effects humans cause alicia made those and verso made the other races

Renoir affects Aline's chroma, not real Verso who is who painted everyone sans humans and nevrons

You want the real answer?
The real answer is you're not given a real answer.
The game does not tell you who that kid is. Part of Verso's soul is probably the best bet, that child painting the canvas?
One of Gustave's apprentices?
An orphan of parents that Maelle never knew so she couldn't paint his parents?
Who knows, man.

You mean for Act 3? She didn't have his Chroma.
For Lune and Sciel she manages to take it with her before fleeing Lumiere which makes the repainting process far easier.

NTA, but I get too attached to characters in RPG, I never finished Persona 3 back in 2005 because I knew that it would end the group of friends, so for me it was more a choice of "I want this beautiful world full of good characters to keep existing, even if costs a life of a cute burn victim"

i picked maelle cause i gave her all my lumina point items

Yeah I think it would've unironically been better if she just fucking killed him rather than force him to live like an old man forever. It kinda makes her ending terrifying in retrospect because the world is ruled by a Goddess who deliberately misinterprets everyone's wishes as long as it lets her LARP.

She got their chroma while escaping Lumière
youtu.be/r1ppZs_tujI?t=22153
And when they were repained, from their pov not a second had gone by. For Gustave she'd have to go back to where he died, pray he hadn't been turn to stone so his chrome was still around in the air, and if brought back he'd still be a corpse with a hole in his stomach because he straight up died instead of being Gommaged

I knew my little glass canon can't take 5 hit skill.

Gustave's chroma is still trapped in his body or faded away, she was able to grab the other two's while it was flying around before escaping.

Brother. You see what happens to Verso when he attempts to leave. He starts to decay immediately. Verso is only resilient enough because of "maman's gift" and Alicia repairing him.
If some shitty Nevron tried to leave, it would just die immediately.

zased

i really hope maelle is the villian in the sequel

So anons, who did you pick?

maelle
and clea is second

Sciel on the first one because she asked first
My heart sank when I maxed Lune
Got Lune on NG+
Still spooned with Monoco on both

I'm curious if it's because he doesn't have a body, Aline and Renoir can leave.

He's not the real verso.
Pay attention, Anon.

ive built up maelle where she can hit for 6 million with her bullshit sword laser attack
that was enough to one tap everything in luminaire, does the extra side content scale with how OP you can get?

Lune, but I was not even aware that it had a decision to pick, I don't think that they are good romance options, Sciel has a great story but it's too manly and Lune is just a nerd, not even a interesting one like Gustavé, her interests are just dumb and childish, meanwhile Gustavé wanted to know about the expeditions endings and to keep a legacy.

The Paintress (Aline) and The Curator (Renoir) are Painters from outside the Canvas anon.
Painted Renoir can no leave either, you are confusing creator and creation.

Yes, you'll need 30M+ for the super sekrit final boss.

It's literally why I didn't chose her ending.
She's going to become exactly like her mother. And her ending is the worst case scenario. It's what I was afraid of, and by extension, Renoir was afraid of too. Renoir knows that's going to happen. Verso's ending filled me with regret, but in the end, I still feel it was the right thing to do, because the alternative is so much worse.

Because they're not "romance" options in either case. Neither character falls in love with Verso, it's a more direct/adult "world's fucked, we're stressed and we're both pretty, wanna fuck?" mentality

why does it matter if they are real or not? It's not explained how they can enter and leave the painting, only that their bodies are in some kind of statis in the real would when they enter the painting.

That's not what Lune's scene is.

The puzzles scream GIT GUD at you when you make a mistake

future games in the series

lol

it's a more direct/adult "world's fucked, we're stressed and we're both pretty, wanna fuck?

That's just tuesday for the french

Yeah. You chose the Nightmare Existential Dread ending. Congratulations.

hey we both like music, wanna (((rehearse)))?

No conversation changes before or after sex. They're not a couple after that, they're still just colleagues. FWB, if you will.

Because real verso is dead you fucking retard
Because painted verso has seen his painted entire family die, retard
Because painted verso is trying to save his real sister from dying, retard.
Painted verso is not real verso, hell, the remnants of kid verso are not the real dead verso either.

So the creators aren't actually in the painting, they are just manipulating it from the outside?

Why does it matter if it's "real"? Reality is what you make of it. You travelled with these people and forged relationships now because you got one-shot by a redditor going "um actually this isnt real" you kill all your friends?

They get transported to the canvas, are stuck there for 67 years and only leave because Maelle kicks them out.

Anon, you might be retarded.

The Verso you play as in the game is a part of the painting. He can not leave the Canvas. He was painted by Painter Aline.
Painter Aline and Painter Renoir (PAINTER Renoir, NOT the old man you fight multiple times over the course of the game that murders most of Exp33 at the Beach and later Gustave) are painters from outside the Canvas, they can come and go as they please.

The main (artificial) characters

Dies before discovering any of these key details

fight back against the higher dimensional beings to stop themselves being destroyed

More like the higher dimensional beings are fighting amongst each other over one who already died

He still has his soul in the painting, why not use that.

Basically this.

Because the canvas is killing Alicia. Just like it was killing Renoir and Aline.

This is not a game

it is a game

BRAVO SANDFALL

They can go inside the worlds they create, you literally see this happen ingame and it's made a rather big deal of.
You also see Verso quite literally disintegrate into his Chroma the second he so much as approaches the edge of the Canvas.

All of this is made VERY clear, I literally do not understand how you can be confused unless you just did not play the game at all or skipped every other cutscene after Act 2.

That won't work.

Because 1 day inside the painting is not 1 day in the real world. Renoir even says in the final battle he spent 40+ years inside the Monolith and Alicia is still young.

If Aline comes back to the canvas 6 months later instead of 1 week later, hundred of years would have passed inside the Canvas with the promise made by Gustave now forgotten

The remnants are the fading people, they are not the real person.
The paintress and curator are the real people, they can leave if no one else is blocking them.
The painted people are not real people.

ANON WATCH OUT

i 100% the game before going to the final dungeon. took me 0.0002 seconds to choose to end it all for the greater good.

japs

on xbox

talk about a minority of a minority
my impression is that it's not popular in japan at all. those who care like it well enough, but it didn't make the impact it did in the west.

Do it with Sciel.

So maybe dont live there?
There is zero justification in destroying the canvas.

I have looked everywhere for this mod. Where do I get it?

This, almost every Act 3 sidequests ends with you thinking "holy shit this place is beyond fucking cursed, this stupid family has done nothing but shit all over Verso's painted land for like a century straight"

Aline will enter the canvas again, just like she did twice already. Renoir will burn the canvas and ONLY because Alicia is there he won't.
Leaving the canvas is letting it burn and letting go of Verso's world.

Keep in mind this was a Renoir that Maelle straight up said was super weakened by all his time fighting Aline.
A fresh Renoir would probably have fucking thanos snapped them all.

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Their minds are manifested in the "husk" forms, but their bodies are stuck with the "blue chroma" in the eyes on the real world, probably a decade is just merely hours/days in the real world because Year 49 in the canvas and the real mansion has not been repaired fully yet.

Hmm, maybe try learning some self control and seeing a grief counselor instead of killing thousands of people?

I chose the Maelle ending because I knew it would kill her.

It looks edited, the bikini/body is high definition but her head is low res.

Aline makes painted Clea

Painted Clea is loving and happy

Meets Simon, falls in love, they start a relationship

Clea is a bitch and finds out

Zombifies her painted self and locks her away to be a Nevron factory

Approaches Simon disguised as painted Clea

Gives him powers and tells him to go kill Aline

Aline tells Simon the truth

Simon goes to fight Renoir

Renoir mindfucks him

Reality what you make of it

No it fucking isn't. Renoir explicitly states this and Verso repeats it.

See things how they are, not how you want them to be

There is reality, and there is the Canvas. You cannot shape reality. Not in this sense. A death is a death, a life is a life, a soul is a soul.
Maelle is crossing the boundary and repainting her reality, it's WHY it's the bad ending.

His soul is real and is a part of the painting but it can't leave for some reason. Other people form the outside can just enter and leave as they please. Seems like a plothole to me.

Aline tells Simon the truth

It's probably Verso who tells the truth, he probably lost his arm fighting Verso, remember that Verso says that he was "betrayed" and is probably talking about Simon.

Anon, the fading Verso is the remnants of the kid soul that painted the canvas. He's not real Verso.

Aline tells Simon the truth

Aline lied to Simon telling him it's all Renoir's fault and killing Renoir under the Monolith would free Painted Clea, she manipulated him just like Clea did

He's surprised to see Simon doe, and he's trapped in Renoir's Drafts; makes sense that that's where he got fucked up

No, if you read Simon's journal after beating him it was 100% Aline who told him.
You can see it however you want it. In the end he was some poor motherfucker who was used by his gods for their petty little squabble. All he wanted was his Clea waifu.

that makes more sense, like the matrix they just connected via their brains and not their souls etc.

Nah, Verso appears to have legitimately no idea about what happened to Simon.
If he met Simon past the Clea-Painter powerup when he soloed the Clea-Axon and made his way to the Monolith he would definitely be aware.

Consider that their opinion is maybe wrong.
Verso's ending doesn't even make any sense. He knows everything from the beginning. Why at the last minute does he turn heel and betray all of his friends by telling Maelle to leave which will force Renoir to destroy the painting? Verso had the choice to abandon them once painter renoir said he was going to destroy the canvas, which is what Verso wanted, and never told his party, then he teams up to stop renoir, then he says "wait nvm actually destroy it"???????

And who is that kid?

Verso's ending is just plain bad writing to create a contrived sense of choice that appeals to psuedo intellectuals.

you didnt play the game

There is some degree of time dilation. The extent of it isn't explained. 100 years in the canvas is equivalent to what exactly in the real world?
It's nebulous at best. The Canvas could be like falling asleep. Where sometimes you get a 3 hour nap that feels like 12. Or a 12 hour nap that feels like 3.

Maelle was gone 16 years in canvas and barely any time passed IRL.
Renoir was trapped 67 years and it also seemed like very little time had passed.

That escapism, at least in this instance, isn't the problem. She still has responsibilities, relationships, and a healthy social life in the painting

It's make believe desu

It's a literal FULL DIVE VIRTUAL REALITY

Why at the last minute does he bretray

Uhhh wtf are you talking about? Verso fully knew that removing Aline from the painting would kill everyone. He's not betraying them for the first time. That's the second time. It's why Lune sits down are glares at him.
Because she trusted you at first, you earned her trust, then you killed her. Now you're doing it again.

Why at the last minute

It's not like he had a chance to enter the Canvas' core before that point, is it? If you rewatch the cutscene while Renoir and Maelle are talking the camera keeps cutting back to Verso going pic related. Then he sees the opportunity and he takes it.

Kind of surreal how many people in this thread seem to have absolutely zero grasp on the story and world.
I can only hope they didn't play the game themselves and just watched little snippets of streams here and there.

Verso's plan was always to ruse Expedition 33, and Maelle by extension, to kill Aline and end the painting. He just didn't account for Maelle-Alicia having a face heel turn and wanting to become Aline 2.0. Once that happened he despaired and couldn't figure out what to do until the ending.

This is pretty fucking clear and spelled out by the game. I don't know how you cannot understand it.

Maelles ending

because it relies on you thinking a character never ever changing or growing throughout the entirety of the game is good writing

to what exactly in the real world?

The fake epilogue after Act 2 makes it seem like Verso's death is still relatively fresh, what with the house still being under repair. So at *most*, a few months? And that's on Monolith Year 49, which keep in mind doesn't mean Aline entered 49 years ago, because their calendar starts counting after the Cataclysm. Aline had been there for way longer, having created Lumière and humans. 49 years prior is when *Renoir* entered, and the continent fragmented.

best world map of all time and its not even close

He had 67 years to change, why would his goal be altered in... what, a couple months traveling with yet another Expedition? Been there, done that.

Maelle does something incredibly dumb no one could've expected

Verso changes his plans

Sounds fine to me.

That would make Verso an unreliable narrator then. His Journal log has him saying over and over he's not a traitor. He is fully convinced he's a good person doing what's best for everybody. Then he literally betrays his entire world.

I never interpreted him like that. I never foresaw this guy helping me would betray me. I may not have understood what he was doing, or why he was helping, but he told Lune he wanted to help, then kills them all in the end. He's just a straight piece of shit.

FINAL FANTASY CANNOT HAVE TURN BASED COMBAT AND OVERWORLDS WITH YOUR OVERSIZED CHARACTERS RUNNING AROUN BECAUSE WITH REALISTIC GRAPHICS IT'D LOOK RETA-

ACK!

Saving everyone was always the plan. Verso could have just been like, "Hey, maybe don't live here and instead spend time in the real world and don't spend every waking minute in this reality."

Shut-up and get back in the house, Alicia.

His Journal log

The one from 67 years prior, back when he worked with Expedition 00?

eh...
auh...
oh...

Verso isn't a teenager anon. The dude has lived in despair for almost 100 years and has been actively trying to die for almost as long. He's not gonna "grow" and change his entire raison d'etre from walking around with a 16 year old for what amounts to quite literally only a few days.

People will talk about Maelle's choice this or Verso's choice that but won't talk about Aline definitely not having a choice as to being kicked out of the canvas lmao

Verso could have been happy if she took some breaks from time to time between her real life and the canvas, but once he knew she was not going to accept this alternative, he went the nuclear option.

That would make Verso an unreliable narrator then. His Journal log has him saying over and over he's not a traitor

That journal is half a century old from back when he still had hope and was in love lmao

That is actually a great point that the house is still being repaired.
We're talking about a very affluent family, who would get that shit done fairly quickly. So I would guess this about less than a year? 2 at the absolute most?
Brilliant perspective.

Aline is quite literally the one that did the most damage by far in the entire plot of the game second only to the Writers

But what about Gustave's choice? It's the only choice that matters

As much as a bitch Clea is Aline is by far the worst family member. She deserves all she got.

Ok and? She should still have a choice

My mistake for taking in-game lore at its face value and not the head canon of some brown nigger anon on Anon Babble

She'd never do that because "a break" in real life time would mean years in the painting. If she didn't enter for like a week, Gustave and the rest would be dead of old age.

Rewatch some of the camp scenes from the start of Act 2 anon. Verso is shady as fuck and constantly dodges every single question. He uncomfortably turns his eyes away EVERY SINGLE TIME the gang talks about saving anyone or surviving, he's been lying to them from the very very very start and the only way you don't see that is if you are a naive little child like Malle.

Verso is an asshole hypocrite

Maelle is an asshole hypocrite

Clea is an asshole

Aline is an asshole hypocrite

the good ending is the one where they're all happy

HUH?

So... What is Goblu? And why he refused to attacks us, before the reveal I thought it was just reincarnated "Sophie" but well, it wasn't, he never returns in the game.

We're talking about a very affluent family, who would get that shit done fairly quickly

Especially because it's where Verso died, so it being in disrepair would remind them constantly of the tragedy

Its a French story, there are no good endings

Fuck her

so what did painted renoir do in his free time considering his wife is insane and his children dont seem to like being around him

What a hilarious way to put that.
But you're not wrong lmao

If that 16 year old is his reincarnated sister, he will.

Clea did nothing wrong

Yea I don't think I'd ever assume someone could betray me and my friends and the entire world like that.

She took away Simon's Cleaussy

he has all of verso's memories. he knows exactly what it's doing to his mother from the very beginning. he knew exactly how maelle would react once they reached Renoir. he was always going to make that choice. he went on the expeditions with painter renoir, not painted renoir.

Like Clea didn't go down there to get fucked by Guts every once in a while.

who the fuck is simon? where do i go to learn about this nigga

This is the core problem I have with the "Verso was always going to kill everyone" headcanon, it means literally everyone in Verso's ending is just evil and we have to rationalize how genociding countless sentient beings is actually ok

That was based

You go down
And then down some more.