IT'S OVER ANAKIN, I HAVE THE HIGH GROU... *ACK*

IT'S OVER ANAKIN, I HAVE THE HIGH GROU... *ACK*

Kino

I love how Obi just takes so long to process that his reddit tactic didn’t work out the way he expected it to

Well at least he still destroyed the Sith.

And enacted his plan without a hitch. All that remains is to find Polis Massa, and his children, so they can rule the galaxy together.

That's not what happened though. Anakin jobbed and he ended up a triple cripple and a burn victim who probably has to wear diapers now

Didn't Obi Wan kill Darth Maul when he had the high ground? Why does he think it's an insurmountable advantage?

he used it to kill someone else so he's likely been able to come up with his own defence for it.

If he had said it he would've won just like that.

Ok you just murdered the Emperor on basically the same day he proclaimed himself such. How is the galaxy yours? You literally just killed the CIS leadership like an hour ago, the Clone Wars are barely over. What will happen here is mass confusion and anarchy and nobody is recognising any authority in you

Revenge of the Shit showed everyone in the galaxy to be such gigantic fucking retards that he probably could just declare himself the new emperor and they'd just accept it.

The high ground is a point of view.

That's mostly how it went in the first place.

Also the senate is still functioning here and Palpatine was still deriving his legitimacy from it. Most likely the senate just takes control and appoints a new chancellor, I doubt very much legislation on the whole empire thing has been signed yet

There was a civil war being fought(and lost) against the central government, so it makes sense that Palpatine could declare the empire without anyone able to oppose him since he had already been running a de facto dictatorship for several years by then. But the entire thing is dependent on his person and office, some guy killing him doesn't inherit any of that, especially since as far as anyone knows, Anakin is a Jedi and the Jedi are currently trying to kill Palpatine. That's all anyone would assume is happening here, Anakin is a Jedi who assassinated Palpatine

Why did the high ground matter?

Gives Obi-Wan 50 avoid

Lifesaber cant reach that far :(

Say it.

NIGGER

i always found it such a fucking anti-climatic end to the fight + lore on how vader got his injuries.

just jumps and gets sliced lol

you can still keep the overall theme of anakin acting irrationally/hotheaded but not have it end like that.

How would you have done it?

You can't block anti-air attacks while airbone.

Yes he did. Did you watch the video?

i would have listened to him, and that's what no one did.

You might not have a clue on how to write a narrative slightly more complex than the Hero's Journey.
But at least you knew what was cool and what was lame
Well except the Ewoks thing, but the point is that Disney is worse

He gets 80% crit rate with high ground.

he gets a +2 bonus

anakin is a ground unit and doesn't have flying vision

Remember when red light sabers were just synthetic crystals instead of some gay bleeding ritual

Anakin would be unstoppable at this point. He'd probably burn Coruscant to the ground with the Clone Army.

the lava was really hot if you got too close

the only way out was to jump

Noooooo that wasn't supposed to happen

Anakin doesn't have command authority over the whole army, maybe his personal division. Also, Palpatine was probably the Commander-in-chief of the army. I would assume Mos Amedda replaces him?

But at least you knew what was cool and what was lame

yeah i can agree on that, the prequels were garbo, but they introduced many cool elements

isn't overly cocky in his own power

wins because of it

gets to rule the Galaxy (he'll fuck it up because Sheev and had been planning this since before the upstart was even born and had all the connections)

It tracks.

Because Lucas doesn't know anything about combat.

As dumb as Ewoks are, they served a purpose at least
Porgs meanwhile is just pathetic

he would just annihilate the administrative, economic, cultural and bureaucratic centre of his new empire

He made 3 shitty movies then sold out to the mouse. He's the root cause of everything. Fuck that greedy piece of shit and fuck you for trying to give him a pass and act like he's some good guy in this story.

Obi-Wan won because it was running on 2RN instead of 1RN

Anakin was fucking ROBBED

Anakin beating Palpatine

Yeah, no.

return of the jedi

Anti-feat that genuinely makes no sense.

It was 2vs1.

The prequels aren't really all that great, but it did lead to a pretty good era of content through games set in the prequel era or shows set in the prequel eras, plus obviously KOTOR.

What if he wore a rubber suit?

He didn't kill Palestine however

"The sequels are bad so the prequels must be good" was always one of those weird takes that brainlets come up with.

The RotS game was pretty good and even had a fighting game mode that was very broken lul

Man, I miss having this game. Fucking hurricane had to break my shit.

WHAT DOES THE REDDIT FROG HAVE TO DO WITH THAT

He still died.

Wouldn't that have been shortly after the whole Yoda shit? If it's anything like SCIV, dealing with that little green shit is fucking tiring.

But then Anakin should have a similar penalty for just having fought Obi-Wan

Anakin was already officially declared Darth Vader by this point. The 501st recognized him as Vader when he went to the jedi temple and Palpatine had declared the Republic to now be an Empire, so one would assume he does indeed have written authority that can be referenced to by that point. Darth Vader's rank is literally Palpatine's second in command.

Imagine if Han Solo came crashing down on both of them in the Millennium Falcon; that would be pretty funny, I think.

anakin can kill the emperor with an extremely telegraphed attack

starkiller, the guy who pulls a star destroyer out of orbit, can't last for a second against a decrepid old wizard

+10 Weapon Skill

Remind me how the force works again/ Why didnt Obiwan just force push Anakin down the lava, or Anakin force pull Obiwan down with him?

I don't believe the senate would take this so seriously on such short notice. The clones are puppets, but the galaxy at large knows him as Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, and they would just assume he tricked Palpatine to assassinate him.

I want to feel his gizzard

What if Han Solo was GAY with C3P0?

Not really how it works. Palpatine himself ranked Vader. The most you'd expect is a coup, but officially they'd have to legally instate Vader unless there's some loophole about the new Empire palps just wrote.

He knew Anakin knew about that battle, and about the tactic Obi-Wan used to defeat Maul (jump behind him, then cut), and so baited Anakin into pulling the same tactic. When Anakin jumped behind him Obi-Wan span around and cut off three of Anakin's limbs. Anakin was too blinded by rage and hatred to see that Obi-Wan was leading him on.

He would've been like 5 years old at this point. If he was even born yet.
Then again, the timeline is notoriously fucked with obiwan aging 40 years in fewer than 20

Always appreciated that this one random licensed SW game just decided to go crazy and throw in a bunch of what-if options for the hell of it, you could also play a version of their meeting on the Death Star where Obi-Wan could actually win, although it was fairly difficult

Your moment to moment writing was shit, but man, did you know how to tell a good story.

Obi-wan winning the duel between them makes sense dramatically but why was Palpy so hard over this guy? He couldn't even 1v1 a mid-tier Jedi Master.

ur a faget

Everyone can see Vader is Anakin Skywalker in this scenario, a sitting member of the Jedi Council who was specifically tasked with spying on Palpatine, and perhaps assassinating him as well.
I highly doubt Vader is formally in the line of succession, it would have been brought up. Probably the regent would be Mos Amedda, and I don't know much about him but I doubt he could control the senate the way Palpatine did. I honestly think a restoration of the republican status quo is most likely here.

Anakin was the "chosen one" at the time. Palpatine wins no matter what happens to Anakin at that point

Wasn't Obi-Wan one of the best defensive jedi to ever live which is why he was able to fight people like Grevious and Vander and not get steamrolled?

why was Palpy so hard over this guy?

He beat Count Dooku who was probably the best fighter besides Mace Windu who's a nigger.

Palps dies by made up circumstances, the 501st/clones are arguably loyal to Anakin, again depends on how Palps wrote all this, and thus again legally the most you can except is an investigation that proves he was assassinated, or a coup. Why would anything else happen? All we know for certain is that Vader is second in command to Palps. If the president dies under mysterious circumstances then the vice president takes over until more information can be uncovered.

The equivalent of the vice president is Mos Amedda. Anakin's only formal position within the Republic - and Empire - that we are ever informed of is General of the Army.
If nothing of the events on Mustafar is recorded and all that's known is Anakin returns from there as the only survivor, it would be suspicious at best. I don't see how or why the senate would go along with coronating him even if they don't necessarily think he killed Palpatine, he's not a politician and his background is extremely problematic.

what do you mean? look at the webm

He hadn't reached his fullest potential by then and after his fight with Obi he never would

That + this was when Anakin was his most unstable since he just got done raping a bunch of kids and all his friends. It's also the first time we see the sith eyes as they were never present during the massacre. Obi-wan never won against him while training, but Yoda knew Obi-wan's emotional stability over Anakin's angst would prove him the victor this time.

Han shot first.

A minute long video made in Bink circa 2006 by some intern for a shovelware game?

This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker.

Forever.

ROTS is kino.

No, again we assume the empire has already been written based off the announcement at the senate. Mos was the right hand during the Republic, NOT the empire. If you think the empire came too quickly, you stage a coup. Because it's already written, you're already an empire.

This was always stupid to me, same as when Simba was hanging over pride rock with Scar stood above him.
How to you rapidly "jump" with your legs dangling in thin air? catching your enemy by surprise.

I'd be surprised too, like woah! This dude just propelled & launched through the sky using nothing but his hands.

Amedda is still with Palpatine in his office when Yoda intrudes. By all indications his position has not changed.
The empire has been proclaimed but this was literally hours ago. If the senate decided to reverse course, or just crown a different emperor(probably Amedda), there's nothing Anakin could realistically do about it other than stage another rebellion with his 1 shitty division.

Mustafar still gives me chills

Why couldn't the Disney movies deliver such kino like this, nothing in the sequel trilogy even comes close

The Force you dumbass

Obi-wan isn't mid tier for a starter

obi wan beating anakin is the exception, he trained anakin so he would know how to fight him best
palpatine knows this and that's why he tries to get obi wan killed throughout the movie, first on grevious' ship and later when he personally tells cody to execute 66, none of the other commanders were addressed by name like that

Okay but that still doesn't explain Lion King

RLM was wrong and their Prequel review brainwashing took almost a decade to be discarded and influenced everyone down the wrong path and and fuck RLM so fucking much especially for their blatant lies in their review

Ay yo why ain’t Dey just blow up hids ships

Just headcanon the bad nu-canon away

Would have been so kino

Secret Jedi technique that only Obiwan mastered, from his point of view he always has the high ground.

but they introduced many cool elements

They also introduced some of the stupidest shit in Star Wars. The Chosen One prophecy remains terrible.

this

I like to think this is how jedi magic works because it's how neo's powers in the matrix works

I like that they did not include the fact Anakin wanted Palpatine to save Padme,
I assume Anakin would wait until a month after she gives birth before first attempting to Kill him

The movies don't make sense otherwise

I miss these types of games.

Mustafar just brings out the best in any actor.
youtu.be/ZEyAvGAyNq4?si=UzzUCu28jjLhTxO8&t=10863

PC port when
i know ASSPyr fucked up battlefront but they did alright with bounty hunter

He's certainly not stronger than Kit Fisto.

episode 3 was mostly great because they were committed to making a family film corrupt into a tragedy. lucas did do his best to fuck it up but the concept was good enough to support it

Never. They for some reason never remaster games based on actual movies/adaptations they just remaster original titles. I wonder why but it probably has to do something with licensing or some shit like that.

I think it's different, Maul thought he won and was just fucking around waiting for Obi Wan to fall since jump up without his saber was suicide. (Before he got bamboozled by Qui-gon's saber)
Meanwhile Obi Wan was fully prepared for Anikan to lunge at him.

The fact is that Vader was 100% second in command during the normal empire and it's accepted that he would succeed Palpatine. In my opinion however during the Mace fight, Vader was already second in command the moment he knelt and his status along with the empire itself was already pre-written long before this. The sith also do things differently, Vader was militarily and politically useless, yet he was a powerful sith lord which makes him more exceptional than all the regular people. This is why Tarkin was more important to Palps than Vader despite being ranked lower than him. Vader knew his place, and his position meant nothing because Palpatine was supremely powerful. Mos no longer held any power now that the empire was formed. He was given a formal high rank, then abandoned as proven by the events of the empire. He was nowhere to be found and held no influence, even when the empire fell he failed to gather any supporters. It was just Palpatine, his important generals, and Vader. This is why I have no reason to doubt that Vader was second in command after the Mace fight, ESPECIALLY during that time in fact before his fight with Obi-wan. Vader was THE most important asset in the galaxy, and Palps had no reason to believe that would ever change. Him losing the fight is what changed everything, but even then he was still second in command. So it stands to reason if he was still considered so important by Palps when he was nerfed, he'd be considered even more so pre-nerf, looking at things from a sith point of view. The chosen one is now on my side, he is now the second in command because politics don't actually matter. I am the emperor and a powerful sith lord, thus it is so.

*carries your film*

Funny how his political machinations become a 1000 times more powerful when you can see them being applied to real life in real time.
youtube.com/watch?v=-TSqjRgh2ZY

Are any of the modern star wars games good?

Obi-Wan went from a Padawan pawn that survived Darth Maul in the first film, to one of the standout commanders in the Clone Wars that nothing could stop. Dude trained Anakin and thus was the biggest obstacle to making Anakin into Darth Vader if the two ever came to blows, he was a one-jedi-army depending on the story depiction, he basically was the single most capable force in Palpatine's attempts to take control that were all having to accommodate for the fact that Obi-Wan was the only Jedi Master that wasn't a fucking moron blindly overlooking everything. In a way, it makes sense why Palpatine focused on him so much: while Yoda was the wisened veteran that would be on par with Palpatine personally, Obi-Wan was the real paragon of the Jedi, the representation of everything Palpatine opposed.

Fallen Order and Survivor are great.

battlefront 2 post-patching is a nice little modding haven to fucking around and mechanically solid, it's just the story is avoid playing it tier

henshin a go go baby

Disney made some of the best movies of all time. Stop being such a faggot contrarian. It's not a personality to just hate everything.

Palpatine betrays him right before Anakin killed him, why didn't he just reveal his plot to him then?

Seeing a girl with nice tits wearing hardcore nerd stuff like a proper full body wizard's gab is so hot. I wish it was done more often instead of making a "nerdy thing, but skimpy". Full body plate armor instead of a mini battle skirt for instance.

honestly as stupid as IX was I could never be mad at McDiarmid for taking the role, he just has so much fun playing Sheev

It was originally planned were Dooko was going to plead for his life saying something like 'Anikan, wait! Palpatine is not who he appears!' before he was killed But Christopher Lee, Dooku's actor axed it because he felt it was unbecoming of Dooku and just took his death in silence.

Mustafar is too long. I was getting bored even when I was 13. Cut it down by half and it would be enough to redeem the boring ass 2nd movie.

He was right.

looks official to me

youtu.be/3ti06VNqgv0
I actually forgot Dooku already tried to tell Obi-wan, but no one believed him.

Having the Doggu dressed as Anikan

They knew

one of the standout commanders in the Clone Wars that nothing could stop.

Except for the fact that he utterly jobbed to Dooku 2v1.

Obi-Wan was the real paragon of the Jedi, the representation of everything Palpatine opposed.

While I do agree with this sentiment, it really speaks to how low the Jedi had fallen at that point. They deserved to collapse. It was Obi-Wan that failed Anakin in the first place.

Anakin was the weaker fighter but is canonically the strongest force user we ever see in the entire franchise. He is basically space jesus and even has visions of the future that come true.
Palpatine says his master could revive the dead, but that was probably just bullshit to get anakin to turn. Since he knew anakin was worried about the vision of padme dying.

Anakin secured a kill tho. he levelled up, restoring his health and force points. As a Sith he also got a temporary boost to all attributes through Absorbed Suffering.

Palp spent 30 minutes spamming Force Lightning and Force Push at yoda without even getting any damage through.

Anakin starts at full HP/FP, higher level than Palp was expecting, and huge temp bonuses. Palp starts distracted, blue-balled, with basically no FP.
Oh, and Anakin got initiative sneak-attack for massive damage. gg ez

the prequels are kino

The moves are very weird and inconsistent about how skilled or powerful the Jedi and Sith are, honestly. Expanded material makes some of these characters out to be massive badasses and they have their moments elsewhere, then you see the main films and they often stumble around like dumbasses so the plot can continue.
Also I don't think most will disagree with the Jedi Order's fall, it's just the problems that it brought that are the big concern; I think even Yoda and Obi-Wan later on agree that the order was effectively a bunch of trite that would've shit the bed eventually for their terrible decisions and decadence.

Anakin is like 30 years younger at least and in peak physical condition. Palpatine would have died to windu too if anakin didn't save him.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to fully understand and utilize the High Ground

Emperor dies

Operation Cinder goes into effect

Guess ol' Palps got the last laugh

He definitely could have done it. That was the entire reason Palps wanted him in the first place.
George Lucas confirmed that Palpatine DID lose the fight against Mace Windu. He didn't throw the fight on purpose. He just pulled his trick when he sensed Anakin coming, which he predicted. He predicted Mace would defeat him.

Anakin after turning to the dark side, and if he'd defeated Obi-wan, would have been strong enough to defeat Windu and therefor strong enough to kill Palpatine.
That was the whole tragedy of Anakin being burned and crippled - that godlike potential was lost and Palpatine tried to salvage what he could because he needed a servant, but Vader was no longer truly worthy of replacing Palps
so the instant he finds out about Luke he wants him instead

that was floor not ground

Hating the sequels is not contrarian its popular opinion. Kill yourself nigger

I would have tanked that.

from a certain point of view, Obi-wan still had the high ground in that encounter

I'm surprised you're still alive.

Good ol' Christopher Lee
youtube.com/watch?v=Vx52kCxzllc

Darth Maul nearly running over Anakin was hilarious.

Why would Palpatine want Anakin to replace him? isnt his whole thing being immortal?

>George Lucas confirmed that Palpatine DID lose the fight against Mace Windu. He didn't throw the fight on purpose.

Then why did he keep zapping himself in the face?
youtube.com/watch?v=1jwkYv-n494

kino on a whole other level tbqh

The duels in the OT mog the prequels so hard. ROTJ is entirely carried by Luke's interactions and duel with Vader.

Well maybe it was like a Rey situation where if Anakin killed Palpatine he'd get to take his body

The obi-wan series has a few flashbacks that show obi-wan defeating anakin in one of their duels.
Yes, Disney is canon.

ROTJ is entirely carried by Luke's interactions and duel with Vader.

Which is good because the rest of the film is hot garbage

I fucking love makashi

Two main reasons

sympathy from Anakin, he wanted to look like he was dying

he later used his scarred form as proof of the brutality of the jedi's attack on him, and it worked because the senate was massively sympathetic to him

I watch Jabba's Palace and then tune out until the Luke scenes happen again. Highest peak of the series but god damn everything else that happens is such a waste of time.

Ok so why did he zap himself in TRoS?

As long as he's alive, he can destroy the Resistance fleet

If Rey tries to kill him, he gets her body

He should've just ignored her, there was nothing she could do

What Anakin needed above all else was one guy who could turn to him and say "alright you fucked up pretty bad with this Padme business but it doesn't matter because you're my fucking bro and we'll all get through this together." He did in fact have that guy, but it was Sheev when it absolutely needed to be Obi-Wan

I appreciate that even after Anakin became Vader and changed his style he was still an absolute fucking menace in terms of saber combat, despite all of the retcons and whatnot that changed how duels worked. He might not be as agile as he used to be, but the dude's still a walking tank. I think if he was just as athletic as he was as a Sith Lord as when he was a Jedi, he'd literally have no equal.

the Ewoks thing,

Ewoks existed to sell toys. Lucas' money was 90% from marketing and paraphernalia.

Are you telling me you didn't have a Wicket plush in the 80s?

youtu.be/W7b3HEQEjG0?si=yNrKDF56sd1Ne2Jh

George Lucas' creative vision, though absolutely wild and needs to be tamed at times, is infinitely better than whatever slop Disney can pump out.
There, I fucking said it.

I think TROS is his best performance in the part, too. He gives a transcendent eeriness. Bringing back the Emperor doesn't bother me all that much despite how lazy it is; it's everything else (including the context of it) that does. Still, McDiarmid delivers.

disney garbage

Not canon

Some people use pain as an incentive

It's more just prequels being in prime nostalgia territory now.

It's sad to me seeing young Mark Hamill, because he went from someone who looked like he was a complete boy scout to just a genuine fucking piece of human garbage

This shit went insane when I was like 12.

that's weird
you'd think with the 20th anniversary of ROTS they'd at least do something with the game based on the movie

He's this mad that Hamill is still part of the Rebellion against the Empire

Ok so why did he zap himself in TRoS?

because the sequels were poorly written garbage with no coherent outline and they couldn't figure out a better way to kill off palpatine

I guess mace windu should've just had 2 lightsabers instead of 1, what a doofus

He was always a tank in his style. I forget all the style names, but the one Anakin used was the power type and it's why he was able to take down Dooku because he just brute forced through Dooku's defenses. Obi-Wan only survived because his style was the only hard counter to Anakin's and he still nearly lost.

It needed to be Qui-Gon actually. Lucas said the whole reason the song that plays during the Ep1 duel is called "duel of the fates" is because that's when Anakin's fate was decided
Qui-gon would have been the right mentor for Anakin, and been able to get through to him and teach him the patience and maturity he needed to overcome his future obstacles

Obi-wan was decidedly NOT a good master for Anakin, and never would be, so Anakin's fate was sealed when Qui-gon lost and died.

Wishing your daughter had gotten an abortion so you wouldn't have grandchildren is pretty fucking evil, bro

Dooku lose because he was old. Dooku style is the best style for duelists.

Is this from the 16mm version? The 16mm versions of the OT are so hard to find these days, fucking jew disney constantly tears them down every time they pop up somewhere.

From my point of view, I have the high ground.

Anakin was always a shitty duelist

This is old EU lore, but in some ways Anakin's injuries were a boon to him. As you noted, he was far less agile, but his cybernetic limbs DRASTICALLY increased the amount of physical power he could put into each blow, hence him easily one-hand blocking power blows from others, and his restricted mobility also forced him to polish his skills to the utmost level so that there was never any wasted movement, and he was always protecting and countering from all possible angles.
Even in the force, though he lost out on his full prodigious power he would have had if not injured, that loss of power forced him to focus on making the absolute most out of his abilities and applying them intelligently
You can see that Anakin pre-injury never really uses the force during combat, maybe a jump or a push here or there, but it's a very blunt application of the force. Vader used it in much more creative ways because his injuries forced him to.

Look up the source

Some right wing British rag and social media

You're just looking for a reason to be bitchy.

He was considered like the 3rd or 4th best pure swordsman in the order and he was constantly improving every day

kys leftoid nigger

So
Yoda
Dooku
Mace
Obi Wan
Anakin?

be actor

refuse to say line

More of these people need fired.

Concession accepted

Even in the force, though he lost out on his full prodigious power he would have had if not injured

Everything about this was always fucking stupid.

Doesn't vader basically need to channel the force at all times because palpitations gave him shitty cybernetics?

the "right" just means someone who is "correct" these days. the "left" is someone that believe lies.

Most Reddit post ITT and that's saying a lot considering we're in a Star Wars thread

My first crush. I miss her.

Yoda and Mace were equals as duelists, but yoda was a better force user.
Dooku was the third

you can't wear plate armor if you have massive tits. it doesn't work. this conundrum has faced cartoon artists for generations at this point

if you count Dooku as part of the order, sure
I'd say Dooku was behind Mace though
Mace was a better pure swordsman than Yoda, but Yoda was better with the force

So on lightsaber skills purely, it's
Mace > Yoda > Dooku > Obi-Wan > Anakin
though Lucas has said that Anakin was the superior duelist on Mustafar, and only lost because of his erratic mental state and the fact that Obi-wan was intimately familiar with his style so he was able to find the few cracks in it and exploit them

Gunga Money

Happy George

I mean, not as such I feel. Like the first example you can think of is that he had no way to use or defend against Force Lightning, that's why Sheev always bullied him with Force Lightning.

Stop being upset your hatchet job against Mark failed.

Yeah, that was part of the old lore too
I don't mind that most of that was excised, it was always kind of stupid

They started out with

the suit was really painful and uncomfortable so vader was always pissed off and it helped draw out the dark side in him

but then subsequent writers just went full retard with Vader Torture Porn and started adding things like

Palpatine made the suit shitty on purpose and even did things like make the buttons beep randomly for no reason just to fuck with Vader

sometimes his breathing machinery would just short-circuit for a few seconds, also just to fuck with him, so he could never get any decent rest

etc etc
they got absurd with it

Current Disney canon is that the suit actually makes him stronger.

don't know what you mean, just helping with definitions

credits will do fine

a one week reshowing of RoTS earned $42m

How does modern lucasfilm cope?

It really would suck to go full darkside by slaughtering children and burning your whole life and legacy down
and then it's like

You have done well to dedicate yourself this much to the dark side. But you can never use the Ultimate Endgame Sith Ability of lightning. Loser.

It's really good too, Lightning is like an instant I-win button. Too bad vader.

He made modifications to his suit over time. Remember, he built fucking C-3PO when he was a kid.

Your shitty attempt at mind power doesn't work here kiddo. You're wrong, I'm right. Mark nothing wrong.

They should do a what-if game based on this.

made modifications to his suit

didnt modify his suit to fix its ultimate weakness : Force lightning

I didn't include Qui-Gon because he was long dead at that point, but yeah he'd have been the ideal

The arc reactor hadn't been invented yet.

What the fuck the coucil was thinking when they
delegated a fucking "Rookie" as the master of the most promising force user of all time? This was retarded as fuck.

They literally can't because they're a bunch of executives in suits with the odd dyke in the room with pink and blue hair that don't understand what Star Wars actually is

yeah he was the only one who was just outside of the jedi orthodoxy enough to actually deal with the grey areas of Anakin's problems

like for the opposite example, just look at what Yoda does when Anakin comes to him

hey master Yoda I'm really fucked up mentally man, I had a premonition about my mother dying a while back and it ended up coming true. I know that I can see my loved ones dying coming through force visions. I feel like I should be powerful enough to save them, but I can't. My faith in the entire foundation of our order is beign shaken and I don't know what to do. I'm about to fucking go crazy, man

and Yoda is like

Bro, just like....let go of all the things you love. Have a nice day, chosen one.

nigga had nothing for him

The Disney SHITquels will never have a moment as KINO as the OPUSquels.

They were just incompetent, that's the only real logical takeaway from the prequels. The Jedi were kind of fools and got taken out by their own hubris.
They gave Anakin to Obi-wan because "Qui-gon made me promise I'd train the child" and probably because none of the other Jedi wanted to take the responsibility of training this fucking kid

Even later on when they're asking him to spy on Palpatine, Mace is saying to Yoda

It's VERY dangerous putting those two together...

but they just fucking do it anyway
and mind you this is AFTER Mace says TWICE or even THREE TIMES shit along the lines of

I sense a plot to destroy the jedi

I sense the dark side surrounding the chancellor

Someone is fucking with our ability to see things clearly through the force, and our judgement is misguided because of it

but these were apparently minor concerns

Didn't Palps told Dooku to take it easy on Anakin?
The Council didn't want Anakin trained. He's too old.
Obi Wan trained him because Qui Gon told him to when he was dying. A dying request.

None of them believed he was the one though "so the rookie wants to train this literally who yeah fine fuck it why not"

raise a kid for 10 years telling him that he's the literal chosen savior of the galaxy, the most important person who has or ever will live, and destined to be the most powerful and awesome jedi ever

WTF why is this kid so ARROGANT?

i dont know man it's a mystery

I wish I knew it was only a week long, I would have gone and seen it.

chosen one or not though, they had previously already decided he was not to be trained
Mace clearly said "the boy is dangerous" and the other masters agreed, too old, no training, get him outta here

Nothing changed after the Naboo fiasco. They just suddenly decided "nevermind you can train him" because...Qui-gon made him promise? But they already told Qui-gon NO.
Unfortunately, wether intentional or not, the only message you can really take away from the prequels about the Jedi is that they were kind of stupid and incompetent.

This feels like a Robot Chicken episode.

Would he be any better under Qui Gon instead Obi Wan?

The story is a tragedy, the Jedi failing Anakin is as intentional as Anakin's massive insecurity problems.
People miss warning signs that might as well be signal lights in real life too. There are several points in the overarching story that would have led to a different outcome, but those didn't happen, and what we're left with is a tragedy.

What I mean is the way the story had to contort itself to justify Darth Vader being a glorified henchman after the deeply awful Chosen One retcon. It's all just muddled and unnecessary.

prequels were shit. lol I can't even imagine trying to justify them as even watchable

I dunno, the story of a Chosen One not living up to his potential because of his hubris can always work, it's just that the OT were never about Vader so after Anakin's hubris you have to go to the EU for the continuation.

Shadows of the Empire's novel has a nice bit showing one of Vader's meditation sessions. He'd expose himself to the open air and basically tap hard into the Dark Side while forcing himself to breathe. He could actually achieve a limited amount of recovery and healing but the Dark Side being the tricky bitch that is would falter and abandon him the moment thoughts of Luke would enter his mind

Qui-gon was the least "orthodox" jedi master in the council at that time and he believed the jedi order was too arrogant and stiffed. He would've been the best master for anakin because he would teach him how to deal with shit like love and loss.

Because that was the a monumental moment that changed Obi-Wan's life and helped shaped who he would become, so he naturally went over that fight again and again and created counters along with counters for those counters. Obi-Wan is the most knowledgeable duelist to ever exist for this one, specific scenario bar none. You could view it as sort of a test from Obi-Wan, in that he was checking to see if there was any bit of reason left in Anakin or if he was so full of rage and hubris that he would rise to the slightest provocation.

It's high ground way I mean Jedi way HIGH GROUND!

Yeah but in this case it doesn't, in part because the prophecy was retarded.

Yes, Lucas himself said as much. Qui-gon was the only person who would have been able to properly mentor Anakin, hence the tragedy of his death paving the way for an improperly trained Anakin under Obi-Wan.

none of the Jedi raised the alarm bells when they saw their messiah who lived his entire life in celibacy be blatantly tempted by a 10/10 older woman

destroys his franchise and then sells it to Disney so they can rape it's corpse

I kneel George, peak jewish behavior.

It was under wildly trying circumstances and despite his maverick nature Qui-Gon was one of the most respected Jedi around, Yoda basically looked at Obi-Wan and said "Made you promise to train him that motherfucker did? ... well, shit"

not only that, but they then immediately sent them off to Space Venice, the most romantic place in the galaxy, just the two of them
so he could be her "bodyguard" in a luxury palace while she prances around with her titties pushed out

Why was Vader so invested in the construction and maintenance of the Death Star? Because he knows Obi-wan can't have the high ground if there's no ground left.

lol

It's easy to hate on Anakin for being whiny and angsty, but he really did just get completely fucked over by the people who were supposed to be guiding and teaching him. Mace always came across as a dickbag hardass, and Obi-Wan had his own issues going on and was a little too dedicated to the teachings, but what was Yoda's excuse with having a fucking millenia of seeing people fall to the dark side and not thinking maybe some shit needs to change?

in awe at how much of a cunt Obi-Wan is that he had his own princess gf but couldn't even be fucked to give Anakin advice.

Yoda really has no excuse. He simply failed. He knew it at the end too, he was ashamed when he went into exile.
Even letting the Jedi enter the war at all was the beginning of his failings. It's as though his years of experience and wisdom left him blind to the fact that he could still be wrong. Even though he had doubts the whole time, once the ball started rolling, he had no idea how to stop it.

It's not like he's any better in the OT, either
He's training Luke to go fight Vader but he can easily tell that Luke has no fucking chance of defeating him. And even if he does by some miracle defeat Vader, he's got NOTHING to protect himself against the Emperor.
now, without the prequels, we don't have that problem
but with the prequels, we know that Yoda knew Palpatine could shoot fucking lightning. Didn't bother warning Luke about that.

And their backup plan was LEIA
lmao

Mickiest plot-induced win con ending ever, Anakin was stronger than Sheev at this point

Han was successful because he wore a vest, everybody wears a jacket so Finn never stood out.

By putting out more stream slop spinoffs in order to continue beating the dead corpse of the franchise. Lucas is a hack and should have never sold off the series to the mouse jew.

but what was Yoda's excuse with having a fucking millenia of seeing people fall to the dark side and not thinking maybe some shit needs to change?

Yoda didn't finally get the message until Luke. In Luke he wasn't too concerned about his combat ability (in the novel version of Empire he trains him more or less to the point of other PT-era Jedi) but he was absolutely certain Luke couldn't handle the revelation of Vader. At best he would kill him, at worst he would turn him. When Luke told him off, faced Vader anyway, saved his friends and didn't die OR turn he finally realized Luke wasn't the last of the old Jedi, but the first of the new.

Could he really have prevented Anakin from going Sith?

be wrong about everything

get completely BTFO

get a second chance in the form of Luke

be wrong about everything AGAIN

How did they do it? How do the Jedi be so fucking insufferable than people can't choose between them and the space crackhead warlocks

He probably would have been a much better father figure than Obi-wan. Anakin needed a father figure and not a brother figure like Obi-wan.

Yes, he wasnt an orthodox boomer like the rest of the jedi masters in the council and would've teach anakin how to deal with shit such Love, loss and hubris.

word of god says yes (lucas)
duel of the fates was literally the duel for anakin's fate

Qui-Gon was the outlaw of the Jedi Council who had no problem using his emotions when the rest of the council would go ballistic over that idea. He's unironically be the only one who could train Anakin to channel his emotions to being a force of good, and if he still fucked Padme, find a way to cover for him.

Okay, you've just fired famed actor Christopher Lee. You now have no Dooku. What do? Kill him off screen? Recast him? People were already pissed off that he was left out of the third LOTR film, imagine if George did it again with this.
A huge part of being a director is learning how to roll with the punches and just make things work. Getting rid of him would have made things 100 times more difficult, no matter how badly you wanted him to say the line.

From a moralistic perspective he would've been a proper figure that knew how to actually guide someone like a father; he'd already been doing it with Obi-Wan. From a logical perspective, he would've worked outside the box of the Jedi Order's traditions, granting Anakin a means to not crash and burn horribly against the disregard and negligence of the Council. Would it been as perfect as George Lucas envisioned the theoretical? Probably not. But it probably wouldn't have clashed like Obi-Wan and Anakin did.

And their backup plan was LEIA

Isn't Leia supposed to be Rey tier in terms of force potential with Disney canon?

Obi-wan did see the alarm bells and told him to get a grip, the counsel didn't because they almost never saw the two together. In 2 Obiwan objects to Anakin's assignment since he's not mature, but Yoda said they have trust in him.

This narrative is dumb, Anakin's idea of security was keeping her under lock and key with a shitton of security, she was the one who suggested the hidden location where nobody would think to look. If even Anakin wasn't jumping at the bit to voyage off together, there isn't any way the counsel could have predicted it.

I don't think anyone can deal with the heartbreak of losing prime Natalie Portman

Yeah, people often forget that Yoda didn't intend for Luke to redeem Vader
He just wanted him to fucking murder him

As shitty as Anakin is, it's entirely the fault of the Jedi. They turned him into a brooding, anxiety ridden, sociopath.
All Anakin needed was one guy like Qui-gon to say

Hey the Jedi are actually all faggots so who gives a shit what they think and what rank you are

and even that alone probably would have at least kept Anakin from handing power over to Palpatine.

but Yoda said they have trust in him.

"just stop being afraid, bro"

stellar advice, how come nobody ever thought of that before

dies by being stabbed by a lightsaber

Well, he's the weakest jedi by far.

yeah but this was 50 years before disney canon was a thing

They turned him into a brooding, anxiety ridden, sociopath.

by definition the Jedi are more sociopathic due to their complete unwillingness to form attachments

Being a good mentor is not power. You can be the strongest jedi ever and be a dogshit mentor.

KINO

In most cases, yes; but if they can give a good enough reason, it can work for the better. Could you really see Dooku ratting out Palpatine, or would he stay loyal upon death?

prime Natalie Portman

being in Phantom Menace, obviously

Ok but have you considered PREGNANT PADME SEXO UOOOOHH SWOLLEN HERSHLAG BELLY IN MY FACE? Checkmate nuwars redditors.

Luke is a great example of a that. He was an absolute dogshit mentor to kylo ren.

I thought this was the actual ending of the movie for years

Ok you just murdered the Emperor on basically the same day he proclaimed himself such. How is the galaxy yours?

Of all the people who would have dirt on the Emperor being a sith, it's Anakin. He outright admitted to his face he was a Sith Lord, the only reason he didn't just report him immediately and win was because he was on the edge himself.

only a sith deals in absolutes...

One of the funniest things I remember reading is that jedi were 100% okay with knights/masters going out to bang random whores without a care in the world, but god forbid you have sex with someone where feelings are involved. You're right, genuinely an entire religious order of emotionally stunted sociopaths.

IX showed she could match Luke under training which doesn't really seem all that far-fetched given their twin nature, but she simply chose not to become an 'offical' Jedi for whatever reason. The EU had her kinda ignore or otherwise resent Jedi bullshit for a long time. One book had Ghost Anakin try to council her during some crisis. She turned to him and said "Luke may have forgiven you but I distinctly remember you torturing me on the Death Star at length, GTFO and don't come back" and sent him packing. She came around eventually but the EU timeline is like 50-60 years

....isn't that an absolute?

uhm it was the moral high ground not literally

When will we get more Lop is the question

what did you say?

absolutely not

SIth operate for hundreds of years to subvert a working government system to implement ... THEIR OWN VERSION OF GOOD GOVERNANCE

Huh?

you could have an absolute fucking scumbag of a Jedi who fucks all the whores in the cosmos, dispenses justice like a robot and has no real regard for life because it's all just the Force anyways bro
and he would be a model jedi

Disney made some of the best movies of all time

Shame none of them were Star Wars movies.

OY VEY

This is why Kyle Katarn is the coolest

No I WILL Marry my true love

No I WILL use the force in anger

No I WILL kill every sith in the galaxy, twice.

Shut the fuck up Luke

reminds me of TOR where you could play a Light Sided Sith and baffle the galaxy by being more well adjusted mentally than the good guys and not being a cackling psychopath

I'm willing to buy that he was a shit teacher if they could tell a convincing story but they have yet to do anything right with Ben's story. In the EU he was so terrified of fucking up training new Jedi that he legit "practiced" on non-Force users

What was the point of those floating platforms in the lava?

It's such an idiotic dialogue choice that was most likely just written without a thought to what it actually entails. It'd be like if two gun men were fighting and one says "Give it up, I got one more bullet than you do." But they're both still using a loaded lethal weapon. It's retarded.

He doesn’t. He was goading Anakin. He knew he was consumed by rage and would rise to his challenge, and so was prepared to counter him. It’s like tossing out a taunt in a fighting game and setting up an anti-air when you know they’ll jump in.

delete his hot redhead wife

make him a shit master

retcons away his bullshit space wizard powers like sealing away Satan and throwing black holes at ships

why do they hate him so much?

I wonder, did palps have a contingency plan if the whole turning anakin over to the darkside scheme didn't work?

Dooku left the Jedi Order because he disagreed with their philosophy

Nobody cared, they let him leave

He's still highly respected

They even defend his character when he's suspected of being a terrorist

so why didn't Anakin just leave?
Be like "sorry guys but I fell in love and knocked up Padme. I'm marrying her and leaving the order"
the fuck are they gonna do? Force him to stay?

He was a white male.

I know some people like the EU but man that shit looks like bad fanfiction 9/10 times.
Everything about muh grey force users in particular seems to completely miss the point.

I think it's a bit different when you're Jedi Jesus

The galaxy is his because he’s the sole remaining Force user and would murder anyone that challenged him.

He was a white straight male. Disney hates that.

Their only way to realistically stop him would be by force
Not a great look

Contrarian nigger, everyone hated the movies from the first theatrical viewing and we didn't need youtube to prove it cause it didn't exist yet. The sequel trilogy sucking doesnt automatically make the dogshit prequels any better. In fact TFA is a more competent sci-fi film than any of Lucas's pathetic writing and dialogue.

yeah, in the canon Clone Wars cartoon (yes it's canon it was written by Lucas) Palpatine has a side gig going on where he's abducting and cataloguing the locations of force-sensitive children in the galaxy
If Anakin didn't work out, he would have found another apprentice somewhere else. Just like he found someone to replace Maul, etc etc

It wouldn't have been ideal, since he REALLY wanted the chosen one, and Anakin's potential power, but even that got fucked once he was burned up in Lava and crippled
Palpatine basically kept him around as long as he did because, even with Vader weakened from what he could have been, he was still far above any possible future replacements (until Luke came along)

I actually thought his projection halfway across the Galaxy was pretty fucking up there with his EU shenanigans, the choice of making him regretful of fucking up Ben while also still treating him like dogshit was fucking baffling. Hell I was actually hyped because the Yoda scene finally remembered that turning Force Ghost was just supposed to be another step on the ladder and not the end, taking you completely out of mortal affairs, Luke "dying" shouldn't have mattered

Nice headcanon

you fags will glorify anything that's unanimously agreed as bad, it's hilarious. Billy Mitchel, prequel trilogy, you name it.

why didn't anakin just force choke him from the low ground

I hate TLJ and most of what they did to Luke but you have to admit that using the force to project your presence across the entire galaxy, sacrificing your life to buy time for a glimmer of hope, all while confronting the enemy with total pacifism (not only does he make no aggressive moves, but he's not even physically there and couldn't harm Kylo even if he wanted to) is probably THE most quintessentially Jedi-like action possible
It's basically the entire jedi philosophy on ideal conflict resolution put into practice. A true act of mastery.

bitch i was there in -99 and everyone shat on phantom garbage

Remember when red light sabers were just synthetic crystals instead of some gay bleeding ritual

Until I read this it was still synthetic crystals, I'll just pretend you're mentally ill since I'm never touching anything nustarwars.

force powers working on other force users is extremely inconsistent
sometimes it appears like relatively equally-matched opponents can't affect eachother with the force like that
then sometimes you can just choke a person even if they're stronger in the force than you
wildly inconsistent

the answer is because it would've been anti-climactic and Anakin had to lose the fight because that's the story

reminder Lucas' vision of TFA would have Darth Talon Anon Babbleing Luke's son. Instead we get the adventures of woman and nigger

Too bad it's after the fact that they completely ruined Luke as a character by having him try to kill Kilo in the first place

unanimously

Nice headcanon

Pretty sure it shows workers standing on them at one point. Maybe they all evacuated once the facility started sinking. But it's probably just so we can see a cool fight on lava.

Giga based if true

Should have gotten her, too

whole other level

Big budgets were all like that in the 80's. I chalk it up to crew competence rather than writing, directing or acting.

The sequels should have had their whole story planned out before they started, but barring that, with what we got, I honestly think they would have turned out better if the last one actually ran with stuff from the last jedi instead of just trying to walk it all back.

I actually liked the concept that Luke still struggled with his fears even years later, and you see in the scene that he realizes "what the fuck am I doing?" the only thing he did wrong was keeping his lightsaber on.

Why are normalfaggots hyping up andor so much? It just seems like your typical didney EU slop.

Looks more official than Disney's Star Wars

Trying to revise history. The IDEA of the prequels is good, but the execution and acting was unarguably bad. The video games and Clone Wars are easily better prequel replacements solely cause it's not Hayden's mopey droney voice. The PS2 game is awesome, no one of taste says the prequels are good sci-fi movies.

Because it's slightly better than what we've gotten ever since Disney bought the IP

y'know what's crazy about Kylo's "redemption" in the final movie?
That's not Han as a Force Ghost talking to him. Han is just dead. That's just Kylo's imagination.
He's literally standing there having a hallucination/daydream of what his dad MIGHT say IF he forgave him

that's funny as fuck to me

Are the modern Star Wars games (made by EA and funded by Disney) any good?

Come on, now.

This could have worked IF they didn't portray him as an absolute loser the whole movie.

Also if it wasn't for the fact the running theme of Jedi's pacifism being their only real weakness.

genuinely one of the strongest force users alive and a fellow edgelord out-edged a winded old wizard

strong force user sperm baby isn't trusted at all by old wizard

Palpatine was probably genuinely shocked that Anakin would kill him given the whole thing about Anakin needing him to learn force healing or whatever sort of necromancy his father knew

There's something truly ironic about the fact that all throughout the Sequel Trilogy, Luke, Han, and Leia never once share screentime together as a trio, and now one of them is actually dead so they'll never get the opportunity back.

Kino

Do you think disney actually cares about the failure of the new trilogy? I'm sure they made even via merch and such but I think even they realize it wasn't as big of a phenomenon as it could have been.

Book of boba was good for like the first 3 episodes then it went to shit.

Anakin in his prime still beats Starkiller, Starkiller beats Vader beacuse he's in his crappy mobility scooter of a suit..

By far the best parts of the prequels was all the galactic stuff and the setting filler. The story was relatively mundane but that's also because it had to cram in 30 years of anakin in 6 hours while also handwaving away his lore. But damn was all the prequel shit and the choreography cool as hell

So what would actually happen? Would Padme live, or would Anakin end up with two kids and a galaxy to run?

holy fucking kino

Would Padme live

I think it's pretty well choreographed that Anakin's completely fucked mental state is what contributed to her dying.

I actually thought his projection halfway across the Galaxy was pretty fucking up there with his EU shenanigans

Luke in Dark Empire does it pretty casually ten years into his career while being semi-mind controlled by Palpatine

i miss being 10 and playing star wars galaxies for the first time...

youtube.com/watch?v=1qOu-Weu2Oc

are the private server(s) worth playing?

They absolutely care and that's why you're seeing them force it to share spotlight with the older films, while also focusing on their actually somewhat popular streaming offerings. The new trilogy bombed by every metric that matters and they're currently working through that.

I don't remember specifically what it was, but I remember one of the vidya entries explaining that force choke is just precision telekinesis and that even if you catch an opponent offguard, they can easily counter and send you flying with their own telekinesis since just pushing someone around doesn't require anywhere near as much focus. You also can't attack and defend with telekinesis at same time unless you completely outclass the other person.

Yeah despite not being perfect the prequels had really good world building, something the new trilogy was severely lacking in. I feel like if the prequels were stretched across another movie or two and had the pacing of ROTS they would have been better received.

Obi-Wan Kenobi... Is dead.

Alright, anons, what are your Star Wars hot takes?
To begin: I actually kind of like the Ewoks, the scene where they think 3PO is a god is genuinely funny. I don't think they should have gotten as much screen time as they did, but I don't hate them.

Action-centric movies don't really have time for the slice of life elements we have nowadays for setting, it would have been kino though
I think Starkiller is a better force-wielder than Anakin if we're looking at peak potential but Starkiller wasn't nearly in-tune with it as Anakin was, as well as Anakin is probably better at saber combat. Hard to say though since the game is basically a really cool power fantasy

Luke and Leia should have ended up together regardless of being twins I fucking hate normalfag cinema they were so cute together.

Ahsoka is worse than Jar Jar ever was.

The whole kyber crystals determining the color was silly to begin with since it could very well easily be that kyber crystals react to your force abilities to change the saber color, but then normies wouldn't be able to use it

As much as I love Tartokovsky's Grevious, I don't exactly hate Lucas' version. After all, having one of the villains be more behind the scenes rather than all of them being out in the front attacking is a nice change of pace, writing-wise.

Just finished Force Unleashed 2 and holy fuck it feels like a bad tie in game to a movie that never happened. Was it really that rushed? None of it made any sense and it was dog shit to play

There's some manner of "force shield" that force users can't bypass when the opponent is concentrated, unless you're just overwhelmingly powerful. Or when the plot allows it of course. In just about all Star Wars vidya, try to use the force and the enemy just straight up blocks it also. Happens in JKO/A, happens in Jedi FO/Survivor.

TRVKE

It's still my headcanon that the reason Ben turned to the dark side is he found out that Luke is his father.

I want to say some writers tried to imply that Sheev reached out with the Force to snuff her out her as a way of keeping Vader loyal, otherwise "she's just super sad bro guess she's gonna die" from a fairly light bout of Force Choking is ridiculous

force awakens

pretty fun reboot

last jedi

slop with some beautiful scenes

rise of skywalker

a mistake

It's not like the first TFU was particularly great either, though the PS2/Wii version is surprisingly decent if you can get over the fanfic story.

I’ve never understood why the dark side is so much more powerful than the light side to the extent that dipping even a little fully corrupts you. Anakin went from a well respected senior Jedi to a child murdering psychopath in a matter of hours.

he invents staying among the living in force and later teaches force ghosting to yoda and obiwan thoughever

Star Wars kind of defined the space opera though, it looks tropey by comparison since it pretty much made a good deal of the tropes. I think as a setting prequels are what people would call star wars now but there would be no prequel movies without the sequels to provide a foundation

Revenge of the Sith is legitimately a good movie, the best one of all SW films and arguably the peak of all SW media.. So that alone justifies its existence.
Anakin vs Obi-Wan simply feels more emblematic by this point than Darth Vader vs Luke because we got hours of their friendship to make that final duel so painful and epic.

In fact, 3 is so good that you probably don't need to see the previous films, I imagine someone completely new watching it would still enjoy it because it has everything contained on it - a cool action start against the Droid army, a sense of chaos and war in the galaxy, the introduction of this dark lord who gets killed at the start and was obviously under the true villain's control...
Palpatine is fully introduced and developed here with Anakin, we see that he has a relationship with Padme and got her pregnant, it's also painfully obvious that the Jedi are some monk order and his is a forbidden love, you see how he's good friends and a disciple to Obi Wan and they constantly save each other, etc..
It's a masterpiece of a movie to be able to cram all of that in one film

It at least felt like a complete game with a satisfying plot. The sequel was really just The Quest for More Money

but man that shit looks like bad fanfiction

So do the prequels. Imagine telling something in 1990 that Chewbacca had met Yoda and ran around with him on his back, or that C3PO was assembled by Anakin as a child and that Anakin had the deepest Force pussy that ever was -- even deeper than Yoda's! Wow!

It was worth it until tortanic released. I played a lot of swgemu in summer of 2010 and was full of people, like 4k players at the same time in a normal day. It was enough, main server felt alive.
Now luckily has like 200 accounts (like 50 real players) per day.

anakin's drug-fueled cope dream while a medic droid works on him

Ashoka is a victim of her own success. After failing time and again to create likeable characters, Disney and its writers are latching onto fan favorites with a death grip and refuse to let them go, even as it taints said characters. Ashoka should have been killed off a long time ago, probably when she faced Vader in Rebels, would have made the show much less of a waste of time.

You're cherry picking the good aspects of it, unfortunately the rest of it still exists if you actually sit down to rewatch it. It's a horrible film with a few iconic moments. Not a single character feels natural.

I mean, it IS the darkness of the universe. Like a current of water that sweeps you ir you fall on it, it's nearly impossible to just "take a little dip" in it.
But I do get your point, they aren't balanced at all. It's like the Light Side is the standard. You don't become an amazingly good person or enlightened by having The Force...

Yeah let me rephrase my post.
"Light side" doesn't really exist. There's the Force, and you gotta be extremely careful using it, notice that the Jedi aren't "good", their moral code is all about becoming freaking neutral because just deviating a little can have devastating consequences. The Force is some dangerous shit, and if those energies are mishandled even a little with the wrong emotions they pull you into the abyss. That's what it really is, an otherworldly power to be handled with extreme caution, becoming a Light User doesn't exist it's just you being normal and keeping your emotions in check because otherwise you go crazy and destroy.

The time for her to go, aside from the fact that she probably just shouldn't have existed in the first place, was at the end of the clone wars during Order 66 like Lucas wanted.
That's the next best time, though, but Filoni wouldn't know kino if it shat in his ten gallon hat.

Remember when The Last Jedi was coming out and Mark Hamill looked genuinely fucking distraught and depressed in public interviews? I 'member.

yes but have you considered that your point of view is wrong and mine is right?

It just re-released on theaters where I live last week so I did watch it and was impressed.
Truth to be told I also loved Spiderman 3 and Kraven, so I might not be the best judging films. I don't really perceive it if characters are natural or unnatural, I liked them and the story we were being told

RotS is dreck and barely better than AotC.

You're cherry picking the good aspects of it,

So just like the OT?

Look I love the dude and all but if he thinks Luke having a crisis of faith and turning hermit is OOC he hasn't been paying attention. It's what Lucas always wanted him to do back when he was planning on nine films the first time. The EU did it like five times, including the current plot line when they killed it. Shit, TLJ is genuinely the one movie that got the closest to Lucas's ST ideas before he realized doing another three movies would kill him and sold to Disney in a panic

without the sequels

careful with your words, anon
i knew what you meant but "sequels" have a different meaning in star wars

Would the Jar Jar being 2nd Sith lord plot point being kept in have a positive or negative effect on the prequels?

Now let me dunk on the OT. Those shooting scenes and spaceship battles take fucking forever and it's just action noise not unlike Fast and Furious or Underworld, I just get bored watching long segments of them this year. I get it, the technology was impressive for its time so they were showing off, but the snow battle in 5 felt like an eternity and soon after you get the chase through meteorites and it's another eternity, then they get inside the ship and there's more of stormtroopers shooting with terrible aim for minutes.. Ehhh.

Well the first 2 prequel movies also had their fair share of noise, but 3 always had substance on its scenes. At the very least the action is more engaging when it's a Jedi master swinging his ligthsaber through hordes of enemies.

Why did they do Luke so dirty in TLJ? That was infinitely more painful than Obi striking down Anakin. I get it's quite the feat to project a vision of yourself (and fool another force sensitive in the process) and I get that they threw the EU into the trashcan but that's still such a fucking lame way to go.

*dies of a broken heart*

3 always had substance on its scenes

It's not quite like that, and you have to put Anakin's fall into perspective. He literally was being held back by the Jedi, a kid with a big heart constantly brushed off by his peers trying to fit his square self into the emotion starved Jedi circle. Then his mom is killed by sand niggers and he murders them all and keeps it buried. Then the visions of Padme dying while he gets snubbed by the Council. He's been a bomb slowly building up for years. Then Palpatine cultivates that bomb and forces him into a corner. And even then, as he kills all the Jedi in operation Knightfall and all those kids, he's still not totally tapping into the dark side. It's only when he goes and kills the separatists that he starts to enjoy the killing and he gets immersed in the dark side and gets those Sith eyes.

The dark side is also literally like a drug. Some people react to that surge of power differently. Dooku tapped into the dark side but he had a sense of control and purpose that was different than the traditional Sith. He never is shown with Sith eyes in the movies, but the novel mentions the burden the war and the dark side have put on his ageing body. The dark side grants great power up front, and tears into your body while the light side takes a life time to cultivate and requires control and restraint unlike the dark side.

It was obviously completely unintentional. Jar Jar was always meant to just be comedic relief for the children. The people who look far, far too into this are retarded Redditors. The only time it was funny was when Robot Chicken made fun of it.

I would argue that it's more like KOTOR 2 party and story much more interesting than KOTOR 1 (since revision of Revan figure occurred in second game).

I’ve never understood why the dark side is so much more powerful than the light side to the extent that dipping even a little fully corrupts you.

Wouldn't be much of a movie if it didn't.
Real answer from KOTOR which isn't canon: Dark Side is just learning to use the Force for selfish intent. Which starts as a small thing, but then spirals out of control like a snowball rolling down a hill. You use it selfishly a bit at first but then you start using it in anger, and then all bets are off because nobody can really stop a pissed Force user from doing whatever he wants.

Which Star Wars games are worth playing?

It's not even that impressive within the movies. One of the first things we see Vader doing in the OT is choke and kill an officer through Skype, the force has been established already to be magic that works long distances
Kylo and Rei are also constantly mind-talking to each other on different points of the galaxy

Luke projecting his spirit wherever he wants is exactly on line with the stuff top Force users can do. Maybe if the projection could actually touch things and use the force to level Kylo's armies and duel him for some minutes, I'd understand him dying if they constantly showed us he was overexerting himself but kept dueling Kylo and using tons of Force to buy them time to escape.
But just a hologram? Nah that's lame, no way to cut it

becoming a Light User doesn't exist it's just you being normal and keeping your emotions in check because otherwise you go crazy and destroy.

thanks kreia

At what point did "Balance to the Force" go from being purging the Force of all Dark Side influence to Yin-Yang bullshit?

Arguably the Prequels. The first trilogy was just space wizard magic where none of it mattered at all and it was written to be open ended and mysterious.

I think it was intentional, especially since all of it was in the first movie, where he got a lot of hate so they basically cut anything having to do with him.

probably has to wear diapers now

What kind of diapers? Got any pics? Haha.

Did you guys attend the Episode 3 re-release?
I've heard horror stories of zoomers ruining the experience for everyone

He had the MORAL high ground.

I didn't know about it :(

In 2008, people would have agreed with you.
In 2012, people would have told you to kill yourself.
In 2025, people agree with you.

TLJ was the straw that broke the camel's back for a reason. I can see Johnson's vision for it, but that doesn't redeem the finished product, in the same way that the world-building of the prequels did for the setting, does not redeem the prequels of all their faults. I still have no idea why the movie wasted so much time on Finn and Rose's (anyone remember her? I barely do) most Disinteresting Adventure That Goes Nowhere. Just goes to show why you need to plan out your trilogy instead of letting your writers run hog wild.
I think Darth Jar-Jar is just a meme. George was just enamored by the silly CGI Jamaican he was creating, not plotting some kind of Shyamalan plot twist. Speaking of the Gungan, I think he would have been better received if he had leaned more into the Buster Keaton inspiration and had been a mute character.

Overly ambitious EU writers.

Balance of the Force was never about purging the Force of all Dark Side influence. You made that up. The movies explicitly stated that Balance of the Force was about destroying the Sith. Nothing was ever said about the Dark Side. Because it is always there and exists regardless, it is a natural part of the cosmology. There are even physical places that are strong with the Dark Side, see Dagobah Cave, Korriban tomb in KOTOR 2.

People still aren't ready for this conclusion, but TLJ is the least worst member of the Sequel trilogy. No I will not elaborate on why. You'll all figure it out eventually. My only hint is TLJ > TFA = ROS

why hello palpatine how are ya

It was obviously completely unintentional.

I find that hard to believe considering Lucasarts had to model every single individual action and having a complete CGI character interacting with live action as if he was really there was going to be the movies selling point. Jar Jar was going to be the Who Framed Roger Rabbit of CGI and that's why they wanted him to be so prominent in the story. They just overplayed it because Lucas doesn't know how to be moderate in anything. He was carried by editors in his previous movies.

Go watch the uncut/unarranged version of the opening scene in A New Hope to see how schizo Lucas is when he's writing/directing something with no editors, then tell me Jar Jar was supposed to be a one-off comedic character

I like generation z

That depends on how much the IP can carry mediocrity for you. Star Wars did better than most licenses when it comes to games but the vast majority are still middling or outright dross.

It's perfectly in line with Luke's character, the man who threw down his lightsaber and refused to fight no matter what.

Theater like 75% full, no problems.

I think that's the general take.

2012-2024 was what we know as the 'reddit era' where people who actively hate SW and everything about it became SW fans for a few years to shit on the 'chuds'.

purging the Force of all Dark Side influence to Yin-Yang bullshit?

None knows lol. But, judging by Lucas relationship with EU and TCW, I can guess: Originally (back in OT times) Force was clearly inspired by eastern spiritual teachinge, but since George was amateur in matters of theology and philosophy he instantly returned to evangelical one dimensional morale objectivism once question about the balance in SW became vocal.

Fortnite gets a brand new season dedicated to Star Wars

Here's your Star Wars skins, bro

See, the drug comparison, analyzing the material I'd conclude the "dark side" IS the Force, the real and original one. It's by nature a bad and dangerous thing, a human would obviously use it for their own purpose / have emotions and then it all goes wrong.
The Jedi are an order who learned to wield this power with extreme measure and even them have to abandon all worldly desires and cut ties with people, outright separating new potential recruits from their families and training them far away.

All those terms of dark side and light side sound like mumbo-jumbo the Jedi made up when writing their bible, but it's not necessarily true. There's nothing actually good about them, they just found a way to use power without going crazy and are some kind of police force, at least according to the prequels.
I'm sure when Lucas wrote SW in the 80s they were meant to be true forces of good similar to Santa Claus or some other fairy tale, but that's not how the franchise panned out.

He was carried by editors in his previous movies.

You fell for the hoax anon.

Who the fuck wouldn't play as Palpy? Literally every alpha/zoomer is going to play as grevious or Palpy with like two child molesting furries playing as the wookie

Your Darth Jar Jar?
Palpatine with a gun is cursed.

Sci fi is absolutely full of this phenomenon and I don't know why. Star wars, dr who, dune, 40k they all got fucking colonized by left wing fags. At least they left Battlestar Galactica alone...for now

kotor 1

But he is correct

General Grievous

Rebel Pilot

Based, but I hope we can put the helmet on the pilot

Nah, the general take is TFA > TLJ > ROS. Especially that TFA was "okay" when in reality it was anything but.

I still have no idea why the movie wasted so much time on Finn and Rose's (anyone remember her? I barely do) most Disinteresting Adventure That Goes Nowhere. Just goes to show why you need to plan out your trilogy instead of letting your writers run hog wild.

He had Ben kill Snoke, so he had to set up a "The real enemy is still out there" hook for whoever came after him, which wasn't supposed to be JJ having a tanty

Star Wars

not left wing

Do we tell him?

Even the furries hate Wookiee Team Leader for being yet another fake furry skin

Darth Jar Jar is a separate skin you have to buy :)

That's Poe

You fell for it too.

Would've been a better ending to the movie.

I would say that if we didn't have footage of the original unedited New Hope to compare it to.
youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk

per George Lucas's explanation the force is like a limited but large well force users can tap into, and the Sith in the modern modern star wars time have max occupancy of 2-3 depending on how many layers of betrayal they're running, so they have essentially access to many times more force powers than your common non gene freak (Anakin) jedi. The other part is that it's supposed to amplify your passion to do things, so Anakin was basically all in on saving padme no matter what. Let's not pretend that Anakin wasn't already a mass murderer beforehand either like how he killed a bunch of sand niggas in Ep2. Younglings he presumably knew already though yeah he must have been sipping a lot of koolaid.

stop spewing leftoidism ITT, your kind are what ruined Star Wars in the first place

Sci fi is absolutely full of this phenomenon and I don't know why.

ThE MoDeRn AudIeNcE

yes absolutely, I meant the OG trilogy small mistake on my part due to rushing

Like, right now I'm not even sure if they even mention the Ligh Side as a thing, but they should have. Show us that compassion and stuff grants you white / golden aura powers, the capacity to heal wounds and instantly emphasize with others and all that wholesome stuff in opposition to the destruction from the Dark Side.

As it stands , in Star Wars movies we only ever see neutral and evil.

I lost the chance to bang some stuck-up, Israeli skank?

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Christ I think even during the Prequels, Lucas himself was referencing the Republicans as Sith and referencing the politics in the movies as them taking over and destroying democracy.

I don't think people realize how long this shit has been going on.

Yeah yeah the force is female, cool, can you go back to discord and let us discuss Star wars?

This again?
Lefties 40 years ago aren't lefties today. lefties 10 years ago aren't lefties today.

Don't you mean 35mm? There are fan scans of that, they are easy to find online.

I still have my laserdiscs.

They're retarded, they genuinely just don't get it. Vast majority of who you'd consider a lefty 40 years ago wouldn't agree at all with the lefties today.

The scenes also exist in the ADF novelization. They're fine when you aren't starved for time or budget and do add some world building, it's just that said world building is "Luke really does live in the spacefuture back of fucking beyond and he has no fucking goals or a future" which doesn't need to be repeated in a two hour movie

Battlefront 2 (the old one) if you pick it up on sale is fun for a bit and has some pretty decent game modes

The war with the Confederacy is a thinly veiled allegory to the War in Iraq.
The difference is: He made it entertaining. The problem with modern leftists is they are authoritarians at heart who loathe entertainment.

You were lied to bro, that is John Jympson's edit not Lucas' (who he fired because the edit was shit)

He made it entertaining

lol

He's not left wing as in the modern iteration, that's just typical revisionism from leftist lunatics like claiming WW2 army soldiers were "anti-fascists". George was always a hippie though, so yeah he's gonna have some left leaning political ideas. Those quotes are pretty rich from the man who made Carrie Fisher go braless because there's no bras in space.

the funniest part that no one remembers is that he legit has remorse for wiping out the sandpeople village at first, it's fucking Padme that says "one of them killed your mom, fuck ALL those assholes." They really are fucking terrible for each other

I did, it was actually pretty normal although when Anakin killed those kids everyone started clapping so that was pretty standout

t. zoomer

It was funny

I can understand what TLJ wanted to do and I can appreciate Rian for trying to really throw the whole preordained destiny and standard order of things out the window. But it's still a fucktarded movie with stupid comedic character decisions that drive the plot in stupid ways that actually pisses me off to watch in motion. TFA gives me absolute apathy malaise and I hate everything ROS stands for, but I have a weird love-hate for TLJ in that I can't stand the fucking thing but I appreciate it at the same time.

Given what just happened in America, Lucas was 100% right.
It's funny as shit whenever I see Star Wars fags bitch and moan that Star Wars shouldn't be political, when the prequels were all about political intrigue.
Also the amount of projection in this thread now also proves Lucas right.

Animated Ahsoka will always be cool. But that character is over, and was replaced by the live-action one, which has nothing in common with the original - just poor cosplay, removed from its original creator. It's like Sequels Luke vs Original Luke. Might as well headcanon that she died at Vader's hands, or just disappeared into the sunset after Clone Wars.

I'm sure when Lucas wrote SW in the 80s they were meant to be true forces of good similar to Santa Claus or some other fairy tale, but that's not how the franchise panned out.

IIRC Lucas' idea was that the Jedi used to be absolute paragons of good, but by the time of the prequels the Jedi Order had grown decadent and complacent.

Sci fi is absolutely full of this phenomenon and I don't know why. Star wars, dr who, dune, 40k they all got fucking colonized by left wing fags

Nigga they were made by left wingers. Blame rightoids for lack of imagination (how is Elon gaming studio going on btw?)

BSG

Yeah let's just ignore gender bender of main characters and coded zionistic ideology.

The parts with the clones fighting the droids were entertaining, yes, I am sick of pretending otherwise. Clones were cool Droids were cool, every kid bought a ten pack of each + their special vehicles before they bought one Padme figure.

Part of why Disney Wars bombed is because they sidelined the coolest part of the franchise: All the storm trooper variants and their elite commanders. Star Wars lives and dies on its toy sales.

Reminder that George donated to BLM.

if I turned ids for this thread
How much samefagging and sudden (1)s would have been posted in the last 30 mins Anon Babble?

Clones were cool Droids were cool,

Only in CW cartoon.

While we're on the topic can we discuss the mind-bending stupidity that it had to take an entire board room at Disney to get a smooth-sounding shiny Storm Trooper elite Captain and not just bin her once, but literally throw her in the garbage twice?

You just know, that if George was still in charge, he'd be seething about Trump and would make some new Sith out of him.

In terms of Anon Babbleposting. I'd put money on 1 or 2 at best.

padme gassed up Anakin after grooming him for years and turned him into space hitler

Based? /ourgal/? That is very funny though, no wonder he went insane trying to save her

Darth drumpf would be cringekino and still better than rise of skywalker

Most leftists (the modern kind) got scammed by BLM, yes. Most modern leftists are the old leftists whose ideology was warped by good intentions gradually turning them into suckers for the establishment.

Kind of like the Dark side.

What would his power level have been like?

suckers for the establishment.

Look who is talking

Man, fuck Lucas and fuck his retarded IP.

The Battle of Genosis was like the only good part of AotC anon

I have never watched the star wars, any of them. Is it worth watching in the year of our Lord 2025?

I wonder how many years did Yoda watch go by and actively allow the order to go from genuinely good guys to

le republic dogs

peacekeeper space cops

wartime generals

genocidal lunatics

and all the while he did absolutely nothing. Kek, what a failure

I can say every single character in the sequels was wasted, but Phasma is probably the greatest case of "what was the point?" Wowee, an evil commander and female stormtrooper, would be interesting if she ever did anything. Except she doesn't. She just stands there, makes evil statements, gets turned into a comedy gag, comes back, captures two main characters, makes evil statements while beating them up a little, then gets sent to her seeming death again. It doesn't surprise me that "official statements" have tried to claim her death isn't confirmed, because anyone on the writing team and higher up that's seen her in action fully realize she's a waste of an antagonist and concept altogether.

The bitch had a book and a comic for fuck's sake, and nothing to show for it.

Balancing the force was always about Yin-Yang bullshit. The Jedi severally outnumbered the Sith in the prequels, which is what “balancing the force” was foreshadowing.

Literally having a Star Wars that has Darth Orangatangus demanding the galaxy recognize how huge his hands is like a Space Balls skit would be far more entertaining than stronk wxmyn being carried from scene to scene as she was unable to act out of a paper bag.

Palpatine is literally the most evil character in Star wars, bar none, and he's also a fan favorite simply because Ian McDiarmid is so fucking good at portraying him. So much so they resurrected him to save this dying franchise.

After gun-wielding Naruto nothing is unexpected at Fortnite.

Nixon was set up btw.

Reality delivers. You can't make this shit up, lmao. Imagine being an Am*rican in the current year.

And he's make it entertaining, too. Pic related. He already made a pretty unambiguous parallel to the Bush Administration once, and he's the one they called in to carry the whole of Star Wars.

George definitely had a point with the neocons and the jews but like all the cucks he was too scared to actually name (((them))) directly

The prequel fights were fucking shit

People articulate it very poorly, but when people say they want politics out of media, they just mean the low-effort activist nonsense. Not distilling an ideological argument away from contemporary events and figures and making a good story with it. For pre-2010s media, that was the norm. And when you had normally thought provoking shows like Star Trek that regularly presented moral and ethical problems slip into dumb thinly veiled activist nonsense occasionally, everyone still considers those episodes some of the worst ones (thinking specifically about the episode with the global warming stand-in of warp drives harming the fabric of space for one sector).

The purpose of nu-media isn't to cultivate thought and sway minds, but to humiliate and inflame.

Yeah despite not being perfect the prequels had really good world building, something the new trilogy was severely lacking in.

saw a good interview with Lucas where he said something along the lines of "I try with each different movie to make them stand out visually, to have their own distinct identity. What Disney wanted to do was make something 'for the fans', but I always felt it was more important to try something different and give people something new"

Disney basically failed to make Star Wars work as a sandbox for the imagination. It's actually impressive that they fucked that up.
Every kid wanted to be an OT Jedi, or a part of the Rebellion, or a TIE Pilot or whatever
no kid on earth ever wanted to "play" in the Sequal Era world

they couldn't even make it work as a toy commercial, just think about that for a second

they should literally fucking cast pic related to be the next big villian of Star Wars, he could be play a convincing Darth Krayt

Wowee, an evil commander and female stormtrooper,

It baffles me more about all of the hammering about le force le female and strong women can be just as effective as men that they kept sidelining the evil commander female stormtrooper. Shouldn't she have been the biggest problem if that's the direction they wanted to take this series? She's less effective than the dudes who had jetpacks. I think the dealer in the Gambling den gave Finn more problems than literally the most elite Stormtrooper because she's a woman and clearly can't stand up to the BBC.

Imagine being an EUtard obsessing over American politics in current year when you're getting fucked sideways by immigrants.

I wonder what made Palpy so evil relative to the other Sith

maul was genuinely groomed and sadistic but not outright evil

Dooku was just fed up with the jedi

plagueis wanted to save his close ones

KOTOR Sith are kinda honorable decent blokes

Visions Sith for the most part don't seem outright evil

Palpy was just a cunt it would seem

That was actually nicely taken up and discussed in Kotor. How Jedi are fucking retards whose best practice problem solving is "just do nothing lad" and "if you arent attached to anything and have no emotions or empathy like some evolved hyper psychopath everything will be cool in this universe of emotion driven beings".
Basically the space magic demi god fighters the good guys took as their last bastion against aggression are secluded esoteric monks who have no matching goals with them and just answer every query with "yea but what if we would just do absolutely nothing though?". Which makes sense if you are a priest connected deeply with your deity and the worst thing that can happen is that your mortal shell is eradicated which means your existence will actually get better while taking action could mean actually ending up in space hell if you fuck up compared to non force user peasants who just have their mortal shell and when they die, they die.

See that would be fun, Disney hates fun.

It's over, I have the highground

has the force which lets you jump as high as you want and ignore terrain disadvantages

is anakin retarded

indeed. It isn't that games and media need to be apolitical. Some of the best games are political, but they need to be made with actual effort and not just a

lets add some troons and niggers to this game comprised entirely of white people for no reason teehee

tier "politics"
Modern leftists and artists are just too high on their own supply to really make art anymore

yeah, the movies are bad. everyone knows.

I still don't understand what was up with the First Order. Were they just what was left of the Empire or a splinter of it? Why was the resistance formed instead of just sending in the new republic? Did they have regular large-scale engagements, or was this a low-intensity conflict?

It's funny as shit whenever I see Star Wars fags bitch and moan that Star Wars shouldn't be political, when the prequels were all about political intrigue.

So, are you another brainlet who puts Metal Gear Solid on the same level of intrigue as that family guy skit about Trump? The reason people don't take you seriously is because your strawman is pathetic. People hate YOUR politics, they don't hate politics in general.

Your politics just fucking suck.

Look who is talking

A liberal. Who hates leftoids and what they've done to politics with a passion.

She's just fucking Lady Boba Fett, as in she fills the same role

Was gr*pe too much for star wars, guys?

Even cesspits like Paris or London looks whiter than average American suburbia.
And the only one who is causing migrants is your masters from Israel who keep destabilizing the middle East.
And judging by the Trump posts, it's affordable EU customs who lives rent free in his head

shut up, just consume your slop and clap when the music swells and the dialogue briefly pauses

they go into detail about the Post-Endor galaxy in some of the books, basically the Empire splits into several remanents and the ones who listened to Palpys post posthumous orders became the First Order, the other remenants were defeated in the following years by the New Republic, but yeah the casual movie viewer isn't going to understand it, especially with there being a 30 year gap in between RotJ and TFA

The problem with the sequel's "worldbuilding" is that there isn't any. What is Jakku and why is Rey a slave there? Her parents sold her to save her, nothing else matters, it's functionally just not-Tatooine. Who are the Galactic Republic that are dismissing the sheer threat of the First Order and not giving Leia the support she needs to fight? Oops, they all got nuked along with their entire star system, who cares? What's the deal with the Starkiller Base or the impossibly large fleet of Sith Order ships or whatever that came out of fucking nowhere and have no pre-empt or context until they appear? Beats me, doc, go read a book or novelization, we need to sell nerds more lore.
You never get a feel for cultures, for worlds, for stories and casts and elements. Everything is handwaved so quickly that it basically just is set dressing for the next big setpiece, if it's not a callback to older Star Wars movies, mainly the original trilogy. Nothing of interest ever happens in all these huge locales and varied sets because none of them matter; almost anything could be fucking anywhere and most of the time no one even really discusses names for locations.

It says a lot that the only way to defeat the big bad army in the final film is to head to some weird place that is inexplicably difficult to travel to without much reason given but "it is", and blow up two separate tracking systems that help the fleet be able to navigate in the shitty environment because APPARENTLY that's the one thing Palpatine had to prep for this entire time with his impossible fleet, nothing else, and then suddenly an entire star system republic just Avengers their way in without any context to have a climatic final battle.

Garbage. Absolute fucking garbage. I don't even need a Lucas soliloquy of bullshit, but anything would've been better than nothing.

lol it's all but spelled out that Jabba did vile shit to Leia, rape is a pretty universal fucking thing

I still don't understand what was up with the First Order

The people who made the movies don't either

thatsstarwarsgirl

It's a guy, isn't it?

London is literally 70% immigrant, EUtard
Muhammad was the most popular name last year

She's just fucking Lady Boba Fett, as in she fills the same role

Boba Fett was renowed because he was a cool bounty hunter with gadgets, training, and a deep lore. His first introduction to everyone is Vader specifically warning him to not go around disintegrating people because that's a recurring problem of his. He also has a number of very specific wins, he's the one who corners Han in Cloud City. He's the one who is always on the protagonists heels.

Phasma gets dumped in a garbage can twice. She doesn't even put up much of a fight, she surrenders the first time.

I figured they were a small but sizeable remnant force that was very very well equipped and funded. The New Republic was ultra retarded and didn't think to form a real navy following the demise of the Empire, and couldn't be fucked to deal with the enemy they thought was toothless by now, so the "resistance" (resisting fucking what, you ARE the new government) was literally the trust fund kiddos of the New Republic.

Yeah and..?

It says a lot that the only way to defeat the big bad army in the final film is to head to some weird place that is inexplicably difficult to travel to without much reason given but "it is", and blow up two separate tracking systems that help the fleet be able to navigate in the shitty environment because APPARENTLY that's the one thing Palpatine had to prep for this entire time with his impossible fleet, nothing else, and then suddenly an entire star system republic just Avengers their way in without any context to have a climatic final battle.

the sequels are levels of bad previously unheard of in film, theres fan theories saying Luke Committed Force Suicide in the Last Jedi in order to bait out Palpatine who was too afraid to openly invade the Galaxy with Luke still around, despite the fact Palpatine waits a whole year after his death and the First Order was already in control of most of the Galaxy anyway by that point

god that's hot. FUB Jabba is probably hung like a horse.

Nah, it boils down to you don't want politics that challenge your world view in the media you consume. It's funny you bring up Star Trek because Rightoids would have a stroke if Gene Roddenberry were alive today and was allowed to do his societal criticisms. Hell, they were bitching back then when they were banning episodes of the original Star Trek. But it's why rightoids love good verses evil goyslop where they don't have to think when watching.
This guy just gave your entire game away too.

Bro all that shit with Fett came later. In the films he stands around, says menacing shit once or twice, then dies.

They were a mix of remnants and Empire sympathetics who proceeded to make a ragtag faction under the radar that would kidnap and indoctrinate people to try to make a new empire. The problem is that the writing, text narration and overall lore of the First Order is supposed to be trying to "invert" the Rebels vs. Empire on the scale of things, but because Disney and JJ Abrams are fucking hacks, instead the First Order is inexplicably fucking huge and dangerous and Leia had to piss off to make a resistance force so they can retread Rebels vs. Empire traditionally anyway.

There's literally something called Paris Syndrome Japanese tourists experience where they go there and realize how much of a shithole it is and fall into deep depression about it.

Don't forget that one of the super death star destroyers is actually out and about in the galaxy but after it's shown blowing up a planet the film completely forgets about it and it's never seen or mentioned again.

Nah, that's an actual female

Everything you're complaining about is JJ Abrams bullshit. He did the same thing to Star Trek a few years before

because Rightoids would have a stroke if Gene Roddenberry were alive today and was allowed to do his societal criticisms

And leftists would have an aneurysm over how pro-life Gene was or how fast he walked back that man in a skirt on the Enterprise-D.

bingo
lucas himself described the fundamental difference between the two as Selfishness vs Selflessness

youtube.com/watch?v=wiImoO5QkcA

the lore is that the first order stretched themselves so thin across the galaxy that once palps and exegol fell, everyone else just ended up surrendering because they weren't gonna be able to get supplies, reinforcements or anything and were way out of their actual depth

the movies of course say absolutely none of this and everything that isn't the immediate bad guys disappears again like in return of the jedi, except even more egregiously

I still have no idea why the movie wasted so much time on Finn and Rose's (anyone remember her? I barely do) most Disinteresting Adventure That Goes Nowhere

what's crazy is that Rian Johnson originally planned for it to be a buddy-cop story with Finn and Poe infiltrating the casino planet to find some kind of first order spies or secure funding for the rebels or some shit like that

but Rian Johnson said he "couldn't figure out how to make the dynamic between them interesting"
so he invented Rose to be a foil for Finn, because apparently Finn and Poe got along too well for there to be any "interesting drama" between them

so instead we get Rose the cunt lecturing about the evils of capitalism, and Poe sits the whole movie out getting bitched at for being good at his job

I'm not even right wing you mentally obsessed moron.
Your politics are shit. Own up to it. Did losing the last election not teach you that? How about crashing one of the biggest movies franchises on planet Earth lazily inserting it into every nook and cranny?

You gave your entire game away by admitting that you're part of the cancer that killed modern entertainment. You're just a pompous retard making what-if assertions about dead people like they'd totally agree with you ruining the whole of entertainment. Piss off, shithead.

There's literally something called Paris Syndrome

Because none have such expectations for New York, Dallas, S-A, L-A, New Orlean.

Fett is proof that simply having an eye-catching design is all you need to avoid fading into obscurity. So what the hell is Phasma's excuse then?

The ST is nowhere near the cultural juggernaut the OT was. That's about it

muh boba fett

He should've ended TLJ on a cliffhanger right when Kylo offers Rey to join him
give the next director at least something to work with

but Rian Johnson said he "couldn't figure out how to make the dynamic between them interesting"

As much as I liked TLJ that's genuinely infuriating because just about the only thing I liked in VII and IX was Finn and Poe being instant best bros without any bullshit

Bro all that shit with Fett came later.

Literally in the movies Fett is always there when the Protagonists are at their worst. Sure, he only gets to fight in the last scene ever because his suit was brittle and would fall apart if he turned too quickly, but by putting him every place where the protagonists lose, they make it seem like he had a direct hand in whole or in part in it.

It's a brilliant piece of character writing for what is effectively a prop.

Phasma does not look bad, either. It's just hard to market someone who's grand contribution isn't being part of the master plot holding the protagonists back, but instead Shiny stormtrooper who gets stuffed in the trash twice. Even Fett gets stuffed in the Sarlocc pit once. (And escapes that, too)

You gave your entire game away by admitting that you're part of the cancer that killed modern entertainment.

Yeah because Mandalorian and Ashoka live action series were sooooo much better than ST.
Also, few facts:
#1 Kennedy was installed as chief of Lucasfilms by Lucas not by Disney
#2 Disney is a commercial enterprise, whose representatives or affiliated persons regularly visits Mar-A-Lago and Epstein isle. So it's not more left wing than Bezos or Altman, or Zuckerberg etc.

Obi Wan was also the first one to sense something was suspicious about Palpatine.

I may feel bad about the abuse Rose's actress got by over-obsessed and angry fans, and how badly Disney and JJ crippled her character in the finale by making her nonexistent, but I will never agree with a single person that ever defends the cunt of a character.

It's about protecting the things we love.

YOU ABSOLUTE CUNTMUFFIN HERO SYNDROME FUCKFACE OF A SHITHEAD
ANY OTHER EXCUSE TO SAVE FINN, AND INSTEAD IT'S ONE OF THE MOST HYPOCRITICAL THINGS I'VE EVER SEEN A "GOOD" CHARACTER SAY IN THAT MOMENT

Say Roddenberry was Pro-Life

Which is funny because you immediately brought up The Next Generation since Up the Long Ladder was basically 'My Body, My Choice'.
Bonus points is that episode was also a commentary on the xenophobic American immigration policy rightoids champion. But I bet that was totally lost because they were Irish.
Also it was the rightoids who got Star Trek episodes removed from TV, but I'm sure you're going to avoid that with your sad attempts at false equivalencies.

I'm not even

Don't even need to bother reading your post when you're starting the first 3 words with an obvious lie.

Nah, it boils down to you don't want politics that challenge your world view in the media you consume.

You don't challenge anyone's worldview. You put a bunch of lame assumptions, strawmen, and effigies into every single piece of media you're allowed to get your hands on. That's why people find it rote and contrarian. Your politics is the policies of wedges, not of people.

So you make an overtly preachy political theater, like Lucas would have wanted, and you don't make it any good or entertaining because nothing about your system of beliefs stands up to scrutiny or is allowed to be questioned. It's watching online activists suck each other off for ninety minutes to two hours. At least Lucas knew how to make his War in Iraq allegories with robots and clone troopers.

and how badly Disney and JJ crippled her character in the finale by making her nonexistent

lol she literally says she got grounded for what she did in the last movie, like they don't even try to hide it

he sucked Luke's father in the dark

GAYE!!!

Yeah I honestly couldn't believe it when that happened, like what the flying fuck else did she think Finn was trying to achieve by flying into the giant laser cannon that was about to blow up all his friends?

I don't agree with you so obviously you're a nat-zee

This shit right here is why you're such a mentally obsessed moron. You're so entrenched in your feeble strawmen that you can't even envision that someone could be on the same political spectrum as you and just think you're a loud retard.

Your politics are shit because it has shitty people (IE You) championing it. Everyone agrees. People just like you have burned all good will for your retarded system of belief and have crashed dozens of successful franchises over it. so please, seek help, not everyone who thinks you're a loud, obnoxious moron is a Nazi. Most just think you're a loud, obnoxious moron.

George got duped in his old age

erm, capatalists aren't REAL leftists, chud

[x cultural touchstone] would TOTES be a pro-trans ally if it was made today!

leftoids are getting too uppity on this board lately

Realistically what does he say? He already tried that with the more reasonable of the two jedi before he outed himself as a an evil space wizard and committed a million war crimes and got told to fuck off. Anakin would probably kill him for insulting his favorite politician.

just as an example, Rey's homeworld of Jakku was originally envisioned in concept art as a kind of scrap-planet mixed with venice and jungles/swamps
the idea being that a huge battle at the end of the last war too place here, and the people have repurposed the wreckage to build their civilization in the ruins of it all.

Just look at pic related. That's pretty new and interesting, right?
Nah, let's just make it Tatooine 2.0
We'll keep Rey living in a downed AT-ST, and some ruined star destroyers, but throw the rest of that concept stuff out
it has to look like tatooine or people won't know it's star wars afterall

same thing with bringing back the Millenium Falcon. Lucas would have seen that as an opportunity to design a cool new ship and told his concept designers to go nuts on it, then picked the coolest one.
Disney just panicked at the idea of NOT having the Falcon in the movie, no creativity involved there, just fear of failure

Yeah because Mandalorian and Ashoka live action series were sooooo much better than ST.

Didn't watch them. If someone enjoyed them that's on them.

#1 Kennedy was installed as chief of Lucasfilms by Lucas not by Disney

Kennedy was on Lucasfilms since the start.
But again, Leftists 40 years ago aren't leftists today. Part of the reason Star wars as a franchise crashed and burned was because the online brainrot seeped into real life and took hold in people who were too rich and influential to be making decisions based on what braindead twitterites were whispering in their ears.

So it's not more left wing

But Kennedy sure is. You're just starting to realize that this posturing over woke and being a good person is a put-on?

the only 'true' sith we see in the films are maul and sheev
dooku and vader were both former jedi, and while the sith does accept them into they often aren't considered to ever be 'true' sith like those who were purely trained by them
the sith in the kotor era have a multitude of different factions within them so you have a large variety, which after bane and the rule of too the sith have to be calculating and deceptive to keep the plan going, every apprentice must become stronger than their master
they're oddly selfless in that respect

>George got duped in his old age

Source: dude trust me

>erm, capatalists aren't REAL leftists, chud

Actually, especially in America, which never had leftist candidate (unless we count Sanders). High echelons of your so called leftists, are much more closer to MIGA throne than average red blooded, white (by American standards), certified Republican voter with CSA flag painted on his European Dodge Ram.

I still don't understand what was up with the First Order. Were they just what was left of the Empire or a splinter of it?

JJ Abrams described them as "if the Nazis that fled to Argentina actually managed to rebuild a little bit and remain hidden for decades"
theyr'e supposed to be a small Junta, much MUCH smaller than the Empire ever was, which is why their only hope of taking control of the galaxy back was to use a hyper-super-ultra-nuke on all the core major planets at the same time

future movies forget this entirely and it's never even communicated well in TFA either, that the FO is supposed to be much smaller and basically a terrorist organization punching above their weight.
They just become The Empire overnight at the start of TLJ and then later conquer the entire known galaxy in like 2 weeks
nobody cared about the worldbuilding

Which is funny because you immediately brought up The Next Generation since Up the Long Ladder was basically 'My Body, My Choice'.

Probably because he was a smart man who realized politics is nuanced and it's healthy to explore differing points of view instead of just yelling Nazi and Rightoid at everyone like you're doing now.

Like literally, right now, you're doing this image.

You were always right George.

the online brainrot was obvious in the early 2000s. way before smartphones and twitter. get some even older anons and they likely will tell you even earlier. they never changed. they are and were always like this and all their movies and entertainment products are the same. You just have to look and analyze them.

Source: dude trust me

This is coming from the fag who has been attributing the beliefs that dead people would have to his modern cancer on politics.

Source: dude trust me

Well, look how it panned out Geroge's franchise. Unless he secretly intended to crash Star Wars with no survivors to own the Gen X nerds who hated the prequels (unlikely)

the online brainrot was obvious in the early 2000s.

As previously stated, Leftists 40 years ago aren't leftists today. Leftists even 20 years ago would be classified as hard-right today by people who share their name and little more.

When Lucas made a ham-fisted allegory to the War in Iraq, it was entertaining, he had someone who was charismatic take the role, he had a careful analysis of how easy it was for Palpatine to usurp the Senate just by good men doing nothing.

When Disney does it, it's Rey being handed powerups like she's starring in a DBZ film.

You don't challenge anyone's worldview.

Clearly it does because you wouldn't be spending all this time trying to marginalize it and project. You just don't like the message, so you're shooting the messenger.

Can't even refute the facts about Star Trek so you're just resorting to an obvious strawman and projection. I'm sensing a pattern here in all your arguments.

At least the last guy tried to hide the fact it was 'nuanced' which is funny since Roddenberry was heavy handed when he wanted to be. 'The rape gangs'
Also I'm greatly amused at how two of you self reported authoritarianism with zero prompt or reason. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

left vs right arguing over the franchise that quite literally has genocidal murderous racist imperials that are not-nazis be the bad guys since day one

Why was the resistance formed instead of just sending in the new republic?

The New Republic was so ineffective and laughably weak that they didn't want to provoke the First Order and thought they could just ignore them
For the few decades before TFA, they had been slowly DEMILITARIZING because "we don't want to be like the Empire" to the point that, by the time of TFA, the New Republic Navy is nothing but token fleets of X-wings that only patrol major trade routes, and a handful of capital ships that stay parked at a few major worlds as a token defense force

All of this was proposed by Mon Mothma, btw
Leia disagreed with this and had left the Senate at some point prior, so she comissioned her own private force (The Resistance) to keep an eye on, and egage in some limited skirmishes with, the First Order

the scale of the conflict is supposed to be very, very small at the start of the sequel trilogy

Actually, especially in America, which never had leftist candidate (unless we count Sanders). High echelons of your so called leftists, are much more closer to MIGA throne than average red blooded, white (by American standards), certified Republican voter with CSA flag painted on his European Dodge Ram.

I can just SMELL the seethe from this post.

I think Obi Wan was just looking the other way and hoping Anakin would grow out of it like he did.

When Disney does it, it's Rey being handed powerups like she's starring in a DBZ film

Replacing Rey with Goku as the main protagonist would've almost salvaged the sequels by itself

I can't say for sure, because I haven't consumed anything Star Wars in 20 years. I will just say that I do think you're wrong, they may have been more subtle about it, but it was always there.

>Can't even refute the facts about Star Trek

But I just did, you didn't read it because as previously stated: you're not a smart person like Roddenberry was. >Probably because he was a smart man who realized politics is nuanced and it's healthy to explore differing points of view instead of just yelling Nazi and Rightoid at everyone like you're doing now.

You're not even coherently reading people's posts because you think all of them are Nazis and Rightoids because of your terminal brainrot.

plagueis wanted to save his close ones

What close ones? He wanted immortality.

KOTOR Sith are kinda honorable decent blokes

Sion and Nihlus

honorable decent blokes

Hell, 12 Angry Men is straight up political propaganda

same thing with bringing back the Millenium Falcon

On this I disagree, the ST had a shitload of new ship designs even if they were just kinda spins on pre-existing OT stuff, but the Falcon is legit home for the heroes, I wouldn't have let them be so stupid as to let Han lose the ship just for a "lol the new heroes stumble upon the old heroes ship isn't that wacky" moment though. Han even considering abandoning the Falcon is supposed to be shorthand for "Han is pretty sure he isn't going to live to see the sun rise" kind of moments

pulling out the nerd logical fallacy and armchair psych shit as if it lends any weight

le nazi dogwhistle

this meta became stale 5 years ago
you lost
enjoy the next three and a half years

But again, Leftists 40 years ago aren't leftists today.

Then Kennedy is free of all charges because she is your "proper leftist 40 years ago". Case closed.

But Kennedy sure is.

Never said it. In fact she closer in mindset to average rightoid " Boss says, wagie does".

I'd say just ignore it but the thread is already at limit anyway, it was still mostly good talk

THat was in Leon.

Also I'm greatly amused at how two of you self reported authoritarianism

Shut the fuck up. You're literally being an authortarian fash by demanding everyone either contorts to your retarded worldview or be an authoritarian, this is literally a fash move from a fash playbook you took for yourself because "no u" is the only defense you have of your retarded position.

You only believe yourself intelligent but are actually a sub-80 IQ retard. Which is why your only move is saying this Dead Guy probably agrees with you before putting your hands in your ears and screaming like a woman in childbirth.

campy daoist cosmology interpreted through the lens of an old school hippy auteur

Clearly it does because you wouldn't be spending all this time trying to marginalize it and project.

Again, how ironic is it that the guy projecting onto Rodenberry is accusing others of projecting? This is what I mean by preachy political theater. You don't know what he would have wanted. He's dead.

You (correctly) called out my shitposting? That's what the Nazis would have done.

I wouldn't put much stock in what the Sith view as "true Sith". We frequently see in the EU spirits of dark lords rebuking other dark lords as false or failures. Including Sidious. The only one who's not quite Sith is Dooku, and only because he was always meant to be the placeholder from the beginning and never truly let in on the secrets of the dark side. Vader was a bad Sith, but he was definitely Sith despite never reaching his potential. You could get technical and say Maul was never truly Sith, because he was supposed to only be Palps's assassin, but he kind of was trained under Plagueis' nose as an apprentice and was concurrent with Palp's time under Plagueis as the apprentice, but I don't quite subscribe to that notion.

Then Kennedy is free of all charges because she is your "proper leftist 40 years ago". Case closed.

I'm sorry are you trying to imply Kennedy was OK sinking the largest movie franchise on Earth at the time because she wasn't an insane obsessed shithead 40 years ago?

Never said it. In fact she closer in mindset to average rightoid " Boss says, wagie does".

What the fuck does that have to do with Star Wars? I think you're just brainrotted and are now trying to project this onto everyone else.

Remember when The Last Jedi was coming out and Mark Hamill looked genuinely fucking distraught and depressed in public interviews? I 'member.

I think it was because he genuinely did not expect Luke to drop dead all of a sudden at the end of TLJ.

Stop huffing your own farts.

But you didn't, your idea of nuance is not having it be 1 for 1 for current events like it's a Family Guy episode joke. You're admitting if someone can make a product that can go over your head, you'd be fine with it regardless of the message. Which is funny because Up the Long Ladder criticisms of American Immigration Policy can easily be applied today, but you admit you wouldn't complain because it's nuanced where you wouldn't even realize what Roddenberry did.

Being this upset that his self report was observed.

At least the other guy can try to put together something of an argument, you two are just stamping your tiny feet. Remember, you're the ones that admitted it on your own volition. Also funny you keep self reporting because we can bring it back to the TOS episode, Patterns of Force which was about how generally well meaning people could go on to commit atrocities and support authoritarianism.

Give me a 6th (you) next time given it's clear you're calling your associates.

Then Kennedy is free of all charges because she is your "proper leftist 40 years ago". Case closed.

This is like a criminal offense attorney trying to pass a murderer's Kindergarten pictures as a reason why he should be let off the hook. Is your last name 'Hutz' be any chance?

But you didn't

Okay, why

your idea of nuance is not having it be 1 for 1 for current events like it's a Family Guy episode joke.

I'm saying that's your idea of nuance. You can't tell the difference so you just assume that's what must be political. 'Politics' is just a black/white binary thing in your mind, not because you believe that, but because it's more convenient for your argument.

Again, you're not a very smart person.

Dumb strawman. Jedi are proactive in solving problems all the time, but not always with violence. Trying to do things through military action usually backfires on them like on Geonosis. The whole point of the Clone Wars is to show the jedi shouldn't be generals leading a war. They're supposed to be peacekeepers, not soldiers.

He's still mass replying after being called out for being a shitposting retard.

only a nazi would deny being a nazi!

with this kafkaesque mindset, it's no wonder you lost so hard last year

I haven't watched Star Trek in years, but I know that Gene surely did not subscribe to any of the failing post-Christian dogmas that you project on him back through the decades

That sounds like a whole lot of Kreia talk anon...

At least the other guy can try to put together something of an argument, you two are just stamping your tiny feet. Remember, you're the ones that admitted it on your own volition.

Admitted what? That you're retarded? I'm glad you finally admit it.

You're just doing pic related over and over again because you're an uneducated shithead who got caught out. Next time, try not being such a whiny shit-for-brain retard if you don't want people noticing that you're just stomping your feet and screaming Nazi at everyone.

The slow ignite gets me.

Contemporary millennial nerds are doughy atheist pushovers who let danger hairs concern troll their way into ruining well-established entertainment franchises.

I can't imagine someone like Tolkien, Howard, or Oppenheimer letting suffragettes push them around

You're admitting if someone can make a product that can go over your head, you'd be fine with it regardless of the message. Which is funny because Up the Long Ladder criticisms of American Immigration Policy can easily be applied today, but you admit you wouldn't complain because it's nuanced where you wouldn't even realize what Roddenberry did.

I'm not saying you're wrong making those comparisons, I'm saying you're wrong by assuming he would agree with you 100% because he put something in his serial television show over 30 years ago when no one believed the same thing they do today.
You didn't know the man, you never met him, you can't say that his political beliefs align with yours in the modern day because he's dead and he can't defend himself.

This is the most obvious act of projection and appropriation ever. He had other beliefs in real life, you just don't agree with them because they don't align with your worldview.
That's a very childish way to live your life and I hope you grow up some day.

I'm sorry are you trying to imply Kennedy was OK sinking the largest movie franchise on Earth at the time because she wasn't an insane obsessed shithead 40 years ago?

Did it sink?

What the fuck does that have to do with Star Wars? I

Everything, my point is that everything which you call a problems plaguering Star Wars today can easily be traced back not to ebil leftists, but directly to Lucas and American corporative mindset, which is hardly was inspired by Marx.

@709050629

I'm farming for (You)s

kek, based.

This is like a criminal offense attorney trying to pass a murderer's Kindergarten pictures as a reason why he should be let off the hook.

Well, since there are no direct evediences or witness whose testimony could be verified, why not?

Agree on Howard since he was a hack, questionable about Oppenheimer, LMAO on Tolkien, who was English catholic, not deranged urban hedonite.

if you can ever find it, the Making Of for TLJ called "The Director and the Jedi" is a must-watch
you will hate Rian Johnson by the end of it, even if you liked the movie

Did it sink?

Anon there's being dense and then there's ignoring reality.
forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2024/04/14/disneys-star-wars-box-office-profits-fail-to-cover-cost-of-lucasfilm/
I know you don't like reality very much but when Disney is telling it to your face it's time to just admit to it.

Everything, my point is that everything which you call a problems plaguering Star Wars today can easily be traced back not to ebil leftists

but directly to Lucas and American corporative mindset, which is hardly was inspired by Marx.

Oh okay so they're right-wing according to you.

You should have just took the easy win of admitting that they were leftists but they changed, just like everyone does with money. Instead you're taking this obviously incorrect argument that is defeated by just quoting them.

deadline.com/2024/05/kathleen-kennedy-star-wars-woke-complaints-storytelling-1235944302/

“Operating within these giant franchises now, with social media and the level of expectation — it’s terrifying,” Kennedy said. “I think Leslye has struggled a little bit with it. I think a lot of the women who step into Star Wars struggle with this a bit more. Because of the fan base being so male-dominated, they sometimes get attacked in ways that can be quite personal. My belief is that storytelling does need to be representative of all people. That’s an easy decision for me.”

You seem to have problems accepting reality as it is. Instead writing fanfiction in your head of how reality should be.

nevermind I found it

dailymotion.com/video/x6gao2u
dailymotion.com/video/x6gao2t
2 parts

Well, since there are no direct evediences or witness whose testimony could be verified, why not?

Ok Mr Hutz, but what exactly caused this murderer to walk into a convenience store and shoot the clerk conveniently named 'Star Wars' and why would their kindergarten pictures matter?

If we're talking actions that were, yknow, recent, then clearly their actions done now matter more than when they were a kid. Or in this case, a fresh face in the industry who had yet to ruin anything.

What I'm learning is that lefties are either mentally ill or intentionally trolling. I can't tell which.

Okay, why

See below

You can't tell the difference so you just assume that's what must be political.

Except the head writer for the episode specifically said it was meant to be a political commentary. I'm pointing out the fact that you're clearly fine with political commentary that is critical of your side when it's done in a way that you can't process it. Meanwhile you're trying to project that black and white thinking onto me. It boils down to you wanting it to be out of sight, out of mind.

All this consciousness of guilt in real time

No one brought up Nazis, until you guys did when you self reported. BTW, Roddenberry and Lucas didn't care for them, or authoritarianism in general either.

Your entire argument starts with a strawman by saying

by assuming he would agree with you 100%

Which I never said, and then your follow up argument is

How can you be sure?

Because we can use the products he created along with his interviews to get a general picture of his views and what he wanted to do. Unless you're going to call Nichelle Nichol a liar for her anecdote that TOS were a bunch of morality plays. Or the fact that some liberals weren't happy with Roddenberry back then either because they felt Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, when it's considered his most on the nose commentary on racism.
I've been pointing out that if Roddenberry's work came out today, it would be called 'woke' by the usual groups, that is what it boils down to, no matter how you try to twist the words or engage in personal attacks.

Good documentary, I watched it before.
Rian in general is just a piece of shit. Anyone who followed his career would know that wihtout having to reference Star Wars in particular. Part of the culture that just fails upwards into eternity.

"I want the blue one, dad"

Ok cool so you're just going to end the thread with a weak 'Shut up, nazi. I know you better than you know yourself'.

Cool, awesome. I hope you find the medication you desperately need.

questionable about Oppenheimer

prestigious "nerd" occupations like famed professors and scientists were notorious for sleeping around and leaving a trail of conquests back in the middle 20th century because "woke" was a fanciful fabian abstraction that was only beginning to root itself in the academia of the time (Oxford for example was had fedora phase during the interwar period). Nobody took screeching harpies seriously until the 70s or so

LMAO on Tolkien, who was English catholic, not deranged urban hedonite.

Tolkien married his teenage sweetheart and lived on to a happy marriage, even though his priest ordered him to wait until his 21st birthday

Literature in the 20th century and back was considered a "masculine" hobby like how vidya is today. Coincidentally, most of the known classics are at least as old as this. Telling, huh?

Tolkien was a leftist because... HE MARRIED A TEENAGER OKAY? SURELY HE AGREES WITH ME NOW

Christ you're the most insufferable leftoid I've had the displeasure of reading in ages. First you're projecting onto dead people because of television shows now you're projecting onto a dead guy because he had a happy life as a Catholic unlike (You). Keep on being a piece of shit.

Anon there's being dense and then there's ignoring reality

Brave words from amerimutt.

Oh okay so they're right-wing according to you.

That's not what I said. My points were:
1) they are hardly a leftists
2) their mindset is closer to right wing.

>“Operating within these giant franchises now, with social media and the level of expectation — it’s terrifying,” Kennedy said. “I think Leslye has struggled a little bit with it. I think a lot of the women who step into Star Wars struggle with this a bit more. Because of the fan base being so male-dominated, they sometimes get attacked in ways that can be quite personal. My belief is that storytelling does need to be representative of all people. That’s an easy decision for me.”

And? They are doing exact the same what doctors who were claiming that Coca Cola or cigarettes are 100℅ healthy did in the XX century.

Brave words from amerimutt.

If you hate mutts so much why are you watching our entertainment, Europoor? Watch your own, OH RIGHT.

You misunderstand: I'm praising the old nerds for having a backbone
I'm not the gcj raider having a meltie about nazis

Tolkien married his teenage sweetheart and lived on to a happy marriage, even though his priest ordered him to wait until his 21st birthday

So nothing like rightoid, who is either a kiss less virgin, blaming women in all his faults or hedonite with herd of lovers, ex-wives and other types of concubines.

Brave words from amerimutt.

Oh awesome so you don't actually have an argument, you're just upset that an Ameri-chad put your in your place.

That's not what I said. My points were:

1) they are hardly a leftists

2) their mindset is closer to right wing.

They are 100% on-brand leftwingers, the definition has just changed as it's been infiltrated by a ton of mentally ill troglodytes. They even admit this themselves.

sure, Han can still have it
but the new heroes were Finn, Poe, and Rey
they should have gotten their own "hero ship"

Still self reporting

*Yawn*

The Jedi order is everything he has. The only thing he had before it was slavery. He wants nothing more than to rise through the ranks and become a Jedi master and conceive of a reality where he isn't a part of it.

If you hate mutts so much why are you watching our entertainment, Europoor?

Why not? Andor, for example, have mostly European cast and Gilroy was inspired by European history and culture.
Also, Arcane was made by French studio, hon-hon-hon.

No one brought up Nazis

You literally said this by saying everyone disagreeing is a rightoid authoritarian Dumbass lying nigger bitch.

pretty sure he values Padme above all else especially after they get married
the order shouldn't mean shit to him after that

that's not REAL leftism

he's not a REAL rightoid, he's too much of a respected public figure

nigger, old Tollers was so deep into his tradcath larp that he rejected Vatican II and got pissy with his friend C. S. Lewis over some jibes about Catholic dogma, the same man whom he converted to Christianity in the first place

Where did it say nazis?

still on le nazi dogwhistle

*YAWN*

Even better, where did it say Authoritarianism? It was just talking about rightoid immigration policies being bad.
Stop self reporting

the space-titty sloth cow was a real physical prop and had to be airlifted in and out of skellig michael island at great expense

it was suggested to do this with CGI but Rian felt it was important that the titty sloth feel and look realistic when it was milked in the rain

I just called you a rightoid authoritarian, I didn't say you were a NAZI

Dumbass lying nigger bitch.
We all know what you meant. Own up to it. You won't. Braindead pussy.

Also I'm greatly amused at how two of you self reported authoritarianism

Dumbass lying nigger bitch can't stop pussying out at his own words.

the difference between these and the old making of documentaries in the prequel disks are night and day

Only you brought up nazis, stop self reporting

his tradcath larp

But he wasn't larping,. He grew up within traditions of agrarian society. So straight opposite to sexually repressed rightoids.